I can't believe this crazy-ass blog has survived over 2 years! My first post was Dec 17, 2006:
And to explictly state what this blog is about: Bend Oregon Real Estate, whether it is or has been in a bubble or not, whether this bubble is/has burst, implications for residents, businesses and others, and just about any topic relevant to the Bend Oregon economy and the surrounding region, and housing in general. With unmoderated discussion, I suppose anything goes though. Hopefully, people will realize the value of staying on topic, and will minimize personal "flame-wars".
I was so much younger then. And naive. In fact here is a picture of me eating breakfast right after that first post:
And the greatest harbinger of things to come were the fanatastic 2 comments I received:
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Both almost bought a tear to my eye, especially the blog-spam one. Oh right, they were both blog spam. Here's a picture of me crying, I'm so overwhelmed:
My next post, the very next day, had precisely zero comments. I think I finished out the year with a post of such gut-wrenching emotion and tenderness that one commenter was moved to pen these touching words:
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this post is so dull that, after reading it, i wanted to claw my eyes out.
That's when I knew I had found my true calling: Inflicting pain on strangers via real estate blogging. Judging from the number of gouged out eyes I've seen in Bend, I would have to say: Mission Accomplished:
So there were humble beginnings. And most of the initial postings & comments were of a "defensive" nature: Even the idea that Bend was in a Bubble was widely derided as Insane. And there were some people who even denied (Bubble deniers) that a nationwide Bubble existed. Remember that?
Cuz, if you really remember that time, and contrast it with today, and what has transpired since, it just seems unbelievable. Bend was still caught in just an endless euphoria about the future. Bend is Immune was the mantra.
- deep, now closed, hadn't even opened way back then.
- Sally Heatherton had not yet been "born".
- Forum Meadows owner turned down ALL auction "offers" for his sacred Bend homes, before going broke.
- Brooks resources blew out their River Wild condos at Mt Bach Village.
- Yarrow & Ironhorse hadn't begun sales.
- The collapse of the home builders stock prices was as bad as anyone thought it'd get.
- No Bend developers had committed suicide.
- At the time Columbia Aircraft was alive & well.
- No layoffs at Brightwood.
- Seaswirl still alive.
- No firings at City Hall.
- Fannie & Freddie in the in the $70's.
- The DJIA had yet to hit 14,000, and fall to the 7,000's.
- CACB hit $32 in the last week on 2006. Now $6 and change.
- The Shire was still the proud brainchild of The Hatchery.
- Becky Breeze still owned The Plaza.
- Residential sales in Bend were in the hundreds per month.
- Medians hit $396,250 in May 2007.
- BendBB had not yet stricken any of my comments.
- Buster had not called any of us Stincking Smelly Cunts.
- I had not yet uttered, "It will get worse than you can possibly imagine."
- People actually Raised their asking prices back then. Really!
- That Olive & Nut store had yet to open & close.
- I had not yet voted Dunc for Mayor.
- We barely knew what SubPrime is, and no one knew what Alt-A was.
- Citicorp was still the largest financial org the World had ever seen.
- No bailouts of banks, automakers, or anyone else.
- Lehamn was still alive & kicking. Smith Barney too.
- No Cessna layoff's locally yet. The buyout was a "huge success".
- Unemployment was below 4% in Bend.
- Not a one Single Family Home was below $100/sf in Bend. No a single one.
- I had not yet lost my bet to BendBB that medians would go below $300K.
- Renaissance Homes was still smitten with Randy Sebastians flesh-eating AIDS.
- Holtz-Tek had not yet blackmailed our fair city out of Millions for JR "Master Plan".
- BEM had not yet penned his "cure" for Broken Bend.
- I had yet to post my first Picto-Plummet.
- I had yet to introduce into our lexicon the terms "Cali-Banger", "STD's" or "Flipper Bait".
- The Oregonian had yet to run "Death and Specualtion in Bend".
- Pronghorn & Brasada were still above the fray, and "selling out" on Day 1.
- Volo was still a glimmer in Bledsoe's donkey-cum-encrusted eye.
- The WSJ had yet to expose man-birthing or clothesline propoganda to the World.
- The ferris wheel blackmail of Broken Top had yet to occur.
- Bend was still in the grips of Tuscan mania.
- The Redmond water park would save us all from Central Oregons terrible seasonality with high-paying lifeguard jobs.
- We did not yet know that NOW is "The best time to buy in 20 years".
- Bend was still the most overvalued city in the country.
- Baby Jeebus had not yet smited us.
- I had not yet declared Bend the Best 3rd World City ever.
- Trono's Mercato had it's Australian financing All Lined Up.
- Norma DuBois had sold out Franklin Crossing for the 18th time.
- Measure 37 made every hillbilly Oregonian farmer a land baron.
- Tiny Ashwood OR took the prize for most ambitious housing development: 5,500 homes in a town of 120 people.
- NAR economist David Lereah still encouraged the financial merits of home ownership.
- Crook County had not yet approved resort properties that would saddle the area with 75 years of inventory.
- We didn't have a fleet of busted BAT buses.
- The city hadn't lost multi-million dollar lawsuits regarding water systems and whatnot.
- The August 2006 inventory top was still "temporary".
- We still hadn't been shown how to get rich losing millions by Don Bauhofer (aka Bauhumper).
- The Incredible Hulce continued to pander to RE developers in her completely discredited rag.
- We were yet to be introduced to the merits of Capstone Turbine Buttplugs.
- We were yet to receive a lesson in thermodynamics by a dude who dragged a tire behind his car to power his car, a guy who turned water into gas, and a company that turned trash into fuel.
- I had yet to recommend Rent & Invest The Difference as The Only Investment Plan you could be sure of in a place like Bend.
- There were many, Many businesses, largely invisible, that were still open, that have vanished in the meantime. Most mortgage brokers are in this category.
- Re/Max was still open. So was Sunriver Realty.
- COBA, COVA & the rest hadn't BOUGHT our City Councilors election for pennies on the dollar.
- My prediction of a collapse in California RE was still widely ridiculed: "California is Immune."
- 1031, Merenda, deep and other accessories of wealth for Bend's elite still held their glistening facade.
- NOD's were not measured in the THOUSANDS here.
- We had yet to have our first 1,000+ comment week.
- The City was not perilously close to bankruptcy.
- Black dudes were known for beatin' they wives, smokin the cracker, fuckin, and shootin whitey, not being President.
And there is probably more. Much more. The point?
It's been a hell of an eventful couple of years. Most of the real crazy shit has happened in the last 6 months. I mean The Giants of The Financial Universe have been hobbled.
I guess my main point is this: Having seen how far we've come, how people like Jody Denton's business eyes were too big for their stomach, you might want to exercise some restraint. Because this thing is, AT MOST, about half over.
We have gone from $396K medians to $239K, that's down 40% from top to bottom. Another 40% down is Very, Very Easily possible, which would take us down to $143K.
Folks, when we hit medians in the $140's, and it will happen, Bend is not going to be a place that about 70-75% of the population even recognizes. The old codgers will, but it will be the 4 Bees that rule the roost: Butter, Beans, Bullets, and Bullion.
This place will be like a hyper-magnified version of much of the US. We aren't going to sink back into the Stone Age, like some have posted here (IMO), but we will NEVER return to the hyper-consumption-fueled prosperity of the past 3 decades. That time is over.
But you'd do well to read into Denton's comments about What He Is Doing Now.
He's Leaving Bend, and He's Leaving Oregon.
“I had a very long and prosperous career before I came to Bend,” he said, “and I’ll do what’s best for me and my family. It will definitely be outside of the state of Oregon.”
He's telling us something.
When all is said and done, Bend, In The Best Of Times, left this very talented & decent person, completely broken. Broken financially yes, but worse, just broken from the experience.
“Getting to this point has been stressful and difficult,” the chef said. “For my wife and myself, there was a sense of relief once the decision was made.”
Once you make the decision, once you realize that you can stop fighting the impossible battle, there is a Huge Sense Of Relief. Denton is a talented guy, a guy with resources, a guy with a plan & the ability to execute: And this place broke him.
And I have to give him credit for one of The Best Lines Ever from a Bend Businessman quoted in The Bulletin:
“But the question became: How wise is it to keep feeding this thing when all it does is eat?”
I will leave it at that.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 958 Newer› Newest»Schwab Tire cuts 65 jobs in Prineville
by Mike Rogoway, The Oregonian
Tuesday January 06, 2009, 7:27 AM
Les Schwab Tire Centers has eliminated 65 jobs in Prineville, the company said this morning, but expects to bring 38 of those workers back when the economy improves.
"We're selling fewer tires, and that affects everyone," Schwab executive Jodi Hueske told Bend TV station KTVZ on Monday. "We're loading (fewer) tires on our trucks and hauling fewer tires to our stores."
Schwab moved its headquarters from Prineville to Bend last month, but left about 600 employees behind -- most of whom work at the company's tire distribution center there.
Crook County, where Prineville is located, had the state's highest unemployment rate in November at 12.4 percent.
Schwab reported sales of $1.7 billion in 2007.
-- Mike Rogoway; mikerogoway@news.oregonian.com
Children alerted neighbor to murder-suicide
Posted by The Oregonian January 06, 2009 07:35AMon
The Bend Bulletin has more details today on the horrific murder-suicide that took place in Madras recently.
The story, with details from a neighbor, throws light on how the children of the woman who died in the incident asked if they could stay with the neighbor.
MADRAS -- Agnes Arthur first became alarmed when her 26-year-old niece, and neighbor, missed an appointment to take her grocery shopping.
"And then her children asked if they could stay with me," said Arthur, who is disabled. "They told me the baby was in the room, crying, and the door was locked."
It had been a couple of days since Arthur had seen her niece, Hannah Crowe, or Crowe's fiance, Julian Wallulatum.
Since Arthur lives in the same apartment complex as the couple, and because Crowe acted as Arthur's caretaker, to not see them for so long was unusual.
Shooting Range Sued
01/05/09 Bend
An old Central Oregon gun range is now wrapped up in a lawsuit over environmental clean up costs. In court Monday, the Penn Brook Living Associates Property Company is suing the Bend Trap and Gun Club for $5 million dollars after buying its old site off Brosterhous in Bend.
Penn Brook bought the land two years ago. The site is contaminated with lead and arsenic from old clay discs. The company says it was unaware the contamination was as bad as it is.
The Trap Club used the site from 1932 to 2006.
The Wall Street Journal
Jan. 6, 2009
The Fed signaled in minutes from its December meeting that the recession could drag well into the new year, with economic output contracting for 2009 as a whole and inflation possibly "uncomfortably low."
At the meeting, the Fed made the historic decision to ratchet down its rate to a range near zero from 1%.
"‘I just sold my own home for $550,000,’ he said. ‘A year and a half ago I could have gotten $750,000. It makes me sick.’”"
The difference between Corvallis and the rest of the state -- there the builders may complain that the lost money -- BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL SELLING.
"We're selling fewer tires, and that affects everyone," Schwab executive Jodi Hueske told Bend TV station KTVZ on Monday. "We're loading (fewer) tires on our trucks and hauling fewer tires to our stores."
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But hell our exec's have cut their commute, we're just a marketing outfit now in beautiful Juniper-Ridge, did I mention it was near Awbrey Butt? A shorter commute. Did I mention we have a new Campus in Juniper Ridge?
Well hell, all those warehouses, and distribution crap in Priny, ... will be gone by the end of the year.
The beauty of HQ in BEND, is we don't even have to look them in the face, just mail them pink slips.
Today un-employment in Priny is 12%, by next xmas 24%, who would have guessed?
Thanks Bend, for making this all possible.
The difference between Corvallis and the rest of the state -- there the builders may complain that the lost money -- BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL SELLING.
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Yes, corvallis is a real town, a college town.
There are tons of kids, and good jobs.
Things are selling.
The site is contaminated with lead and arsenic from old clay discs. The company says it was unaware the contamination was as bad as it is.
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Due diligence? Must have gotten a hell of a deal, not to include a 'subject to DEQ inspection'.
I suppose it fits with your paranoid delusions to believe that a cabal of local business and P.R. created all this. Hollern and Moss pushing buttons and pulling levers.
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That's your delusion Dunc.
My public knowledge is that HOLLERN owns the town. Including the land the BULL ( press ) sits on.
That MOSS runs the bank that financed the new Bend, that Moss runs the Press (WestComm) that inflated BEND hysteria and endless BOOM enthusiasm, that Moss runs the construction (MDU/KR) firm that built the new Bend.
Cabal? There you go with your anti-semitism. No Cabal in Bend.
Buttons & Lever's, sort of like the old Steam Train imaging of comic books? Ehh?? Like in the old Wild-Wild-West TV show. Get a life Dunc, turn off the TV, and run away from the comic world.
Our Bend BUBBLE was made to order.
Schwab moved its headquarters from Prineville to Bend last month, but left about 600 employees behind -- most of whom work at the company's tire distribution center there.
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So the layoff should have said 600, and not 68.
"Hey we're leaving you behind, we're going to Bend, good luck, ... hope you find a job in Priny"
cabal of local business
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By definition your suggesting that downtown min-wage small shops are a vast association of Jewish Proprietors? Eh?
No dunc, the 'local business' folk of Bend, don't run the PR/MARKETING post 1998 bubble that was engineered by the leading builder/developer folk that run Bend. I' sure that most 'local downtown biz' folk are just like you, struggling day-to-day to squeeze nickels from tourists, never with enough time to lift their heads and see how the town had changed.
We know all of Bend Eatery's are imploding, what about are dozens of Salons?
Our real estate shops of which their were dozens to showcase tethy, prongy, .. are all gone.
Will tomorrows 'cabal' of downtown biz leaders all be magic&comic mercantilists that control the lever's you envision??
I see a return of downtown hardware stores myself.
A new group of min-wage bosshoggs who sell nails and duct tape.
My perfect Bend.
Dog's swimming in the river without nooses.
More D&D's downtown.
Population less than 30k.
Max speed of all auto's on westside of 15mph.
Oh, Music lots of music, today's Bend has no music, its like the musicians all left. But what do you expect, musicians are cool, and BEND is a town of PUG grifters.
Lot's of hardware stores downtown, and general do-it-yourself fix-it shops. A locksmith, ... The kind of Organic downtown that creates real community.
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Todays downtown BEND is tourism, and events, ...
I got news for you Dunc, the tourists ain't going to come to Bend anymore. It's NOT cool.
Bend had better quickly figure out how to be a town where people can live, and quick.
The day of everyone with the finger in the air and predicting what the tourists want to do today is over.
For every positive story that BEND emits via press-release there are ten storys of contempt for Bend.
Sure COVA money will be spent, and the marketing people can be hired to tell you they can sell the corpse of Bend to cali's, but when you ain't cool, you ain't cool.
Only time can heal Bend, and its going to take a long time.
"Yes, corvallis is a real town, a college town. There are tons of kids"
When the economy is in the shitter, what's a kid to do? Go to college ...
While the state keeps taking away money from higher education, the students keep lining up to pay.
This blog's "Tim" = Tim Duy?
Probably not.
>>This blog's "Tim" = Tim Duy?
No. I'm just some jerk you don't know.
Is Obama going to bring our America back? At least a little bit?
Obama's Justice nominees signal end of Bush terror tactics
By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — In filling four senior Justice Department positions Monday, President-elect Barack Obama signaled that he intends to roll back Bush administration counterterrorism policies authorizing harsh interrogation techniques, warrantless spying and indefinite detentions of terrorism suspects.
The most startling shift was Obama's pick of Indiana University law professor Dawn Johnsen to take charge of the Office of Legal Counsel, the unit that's churned out the legal opinions that provided a foundation for expanding President George W. Bush's national security powers.
Johnsen, who spent five years in the Office of Legal Counsel during the Clinton administration and served as its acting chief, has publicly assailed "Bush's corruption of our American ideals." Upon the release last spring of a secret Office of Legal Counsel memo that backed tactics approaching torture for interrogations of terrorism suspects, she excoriated the unit's lawyers for encouraging "horrific acts" and for advising Bush "that in fighting the war on terror, he is not bound by the laws Congress has enacted."
"One of the refreshing things about Dawn Johnsen's appointment is that she's almost a 180-degree shift from John Yoo and David Addington and (Vice President) Dick Cheney," said Harvard University law professor Laurence Tribe, referring to the main legal architects of the administration's approval of harsh interrogation tactics.
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That is just plain refreshing.
Now if he would take a little more balanced view of Israel I will even more impressed.
Porkchop, before berating Obama, let me give you two snippets of interviews with our present, and soon to be gone, leadership;
RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s [the Iraq war’s] not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No.
- Vice President Dick Cheney,
in an interview with ABC's Martha Raddatz
BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand . . .
RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.
BUSH: Yeah, that's right. So what?
- President George W. Bush,
in an interview with ABC's Martha Raddatz
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So what?
Choo-Choo train ...
German billionaire kills himself
Adolf Merckle
Mr Merckle had lost heavily on Volkswagen shares in 2008
German billionaire Adolf Merckle has committed suicide after his business empire ran into trouble in the global economic slowdown.
In a statement his family said he had been "broken" by the financial crisis, and had taken his own life.
Mr Merckle ran up losses of about 400m euros (£363m;$535m) last year due to wrong-way bets on Volkswagen shares.
He was ranked as the world's 94th richest person in 2008, and his family controls a number of German companies.
The 74-year-old's body was found on Monday near railway tracks in southern Germany. Officials said there was no evidence that anyone else was to blame.
Volkswagen losses
His family, which had reported him missing after he failed to return home, said in a statement: "Adolf Merckle lived and worked for his family and his firms."
"The distress to his firms caused by the financial crisis and the related uncertainties of recent weeks, along with the helplessness of no longer being able to act, broke the passionate family businessman, and he ended his life."
MERCKLE BUSINESS INTERESTS
Phoenix Pharmahandel, drugs wholesaler with annual sales of 21bn euros
Heidelberg Cement, cement firm with annual sales of 11bn euros
Ratiopharm, generic drugs firm with annual sales of 1.8bn euros
Kaessbohrer ski slope equipment firm with annual sales of 183m euros
VEM, bought in 1997, includes three engine makers with annual sales of 280m euros
Mr Merckle's business interests included the generic drugs maker Ratiopharm and the cement maker Heidelberg Cement.
In all, his business conglomerate has about 100,000 employees and in 2008 reported 30bn euros in annual sales.
His holding company had recently been in talks with banks to secure credit after it ran up high levels of debt amid the global financial crisis.
The holding company said it had suffered heavy losses on investments in shares of the carmaker Volkswagen, which fluctuated wildly in value late last year as rival car company Porsche moved to increase its stake in VW.
Mr Merckle had helped turn his grandfather's chemical wholesale company into one of Germany's biggest pharmaceutical wholesalers, Phoenix Pharmahandel, in which he held a 57% stake.
He used his wealth, estimated by Forbes magazine last year to be $9.2bn, to take stakes in Heidelberg Cement and Ratiopharm.
Mr Merckle also owned stakes in companies that made a wide array of goods including all-terrain vehicles, software and textiles.
He is survived by his four children.
berating Obama
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"They're calling him, Barack the Siletn Nigger"
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UNDERNEWS: OBAMA SILENT ON ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL WAR
Dec 31, 2008 ... OBAMA SILENT ON ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL WAR. Jonathan Wright, Reuters - U.S. President- elect Barack Obama, with his silence on Israel 's attacks
The PUG's are quite clever, what they're going to do here from DAY-ONE is make sure that EVERYBODY KNOWS that IRAN is "Barack the Silent Niggers War".
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US to Israel: No Iran war before Obama
Tue, January 6, 2009
The US has warned Israel not to start a war on Iran while President Bush is in office.
An Israeli official says Tel Aviv has been warned against waging war on Iran in the twilight days of the George W. Bush presidency.
The US warning against the launch of an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear installations was reportedly relayed to Israeli officials by their senior US counterparts at a time that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is in Washington to discuss Iran.
"We have been warned off," an Israeli Defense Ministry official told TIME.
The recent rejection is expected to be confirmed at Olmert's upcoming valedictory meeting in Washington with President Bush.
The revelation comes months after a report by The Guardian confirmed that Olmert sought a green light to launch air strikes against Iran in his previous visit to the United States -- on May 14. An outgoing Bush, however, had reportedly rejected the May request.
Israel had earlier suggested that should a military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities become inevitable, Tel Aviv would do it before President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January.
Earlier in November, an unnamed senior European Union diplomat said that the bloc is concerned that "a possible Israeli strike against Iran is not completely off the radar".
The EU official suggested that the perfect time for Israel to strike Iranian nuclear installations "is between now and January 20" -- when Obama takes office.
The US "call for restraint" followed the Sunday leaking of a security assessment drawn up by Israeli military chiefs that calls for the preparation of contingency plans for an attack on Iran.
The intelligence assessment indicated that Israel has a "limited" window of opportunity to act against Iran, raising fears that an Obama administration might lead up to the restoration of Washington-Tehran relations.
Israel alleges that Iran, a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), has plans "to build a nuclear weapon." Under the allegation, Israeli officials have long argued that the use of military force is a legitimate option in retarding the country's nuclear progress.
Since the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) report dimmed the likelihood of Washington taking military action against Iran over the country's nuclear activities, Israelis have been quietly urging the White House to militarily confront Tehran.
Iran insists that its nuclear activities are solely directed at the civilian applications of the technology, adding that under the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT), it is entitled to uranium enrichment.
This is while the UN body responsible for investigating Iran's nuclear activities confirmed in its latest report that it has "been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran."
No. I'm just some jerk you don't know.
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Tim Duy is econ prof at UofO.
APU is a lot of things, but he's no UofO prof.
He's one of US, dumb fucking kunts of bend that cannot leave.
HBM, I think homer is confusing another 3-letter word with Duy, I think he's thinking about YUN the old whore for NAR. The BULL loved YUN.
But APU is neither.
When the economy is in the shitter, what's a kid to do? Go to college ...
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Slow down and work this out.
What is the OREO all about?
He's the OR-BOMB-EO.
He's going to bring back the draft, and start the biggest fucking war in the Middle East since WWII.
Post Jan 20, 2009 Corvallis is going to be a BOOM TOWN.
Porkchop, your article states the opposite. It states that Israel expects Obama to shut down any Iran attack, and that the window to attack is "...between now and Jan. 20th".
With OREO's IRAN war, and the draft, come 2012 a DEM will never hold elected office ever again.
The PUG's will rally the kids to oppose the war, and people in the streets will be rallying side by side with PALIN, who will become the new CINDY 'palin' SHEEHAN to keep her 'DOWNS' baby out of OREO's awful war.
OREO will be so hard up for cannon-fodder to fight his war, he'll DRAFT downs children.
Porkchop, your article states the opposite. It states that Israel expects Obama to shut down any Iran attack, and that the window to attack is "...between now and Jan. 20th".
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Pussy are you accusing me of a BULL, of having a lead title that doesn't support the content? Or are you saying a BP? To have posted an article without reading it?
Can't we all just get along and find common ground in BENDBB's trailer??
Barack Obama: U.S. presidential election, 2008/On war with Iran
From SourceWatch
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told "the Chicago Tribune on September 26, 2004, '[T]he big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures [to stop its nuclear program], including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point ... if any, are we going to take military action?'
"He added, '[L]aunching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in' given the ongoing war in Iraq. 'On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse.' Obama went on to argue that military strikes on Pakistan should not be ruled out if 'violent Islamic extremists' were to 'take over'," Joshua Frank wrote January 22, 2005, for Antiwar.com.[1]
See The Barack Obama Report,[2] about Obama's efforts to develop an aggressive program of outreach to the Jewish community on his record of support for Israel, which he claims is unwavering. Obama fully endorsed Israel's invasion of Lebanon [in 2006], and he has also cited his more recent sponsorship of the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of May 2007, another irresponsible piece of legislation by Congress that will increase the suffering of the Iranian people while doing nothing to change the country's leadership. He has pledged that Iran will not be allowed to threaten Israel through its nuclear program, but he is vague on exactly what he would do to stop it," Philip Giraldi wrote August 14, 2007, at Antiwar.com.[3]
Democrats and Iran: Look Who Supports Bush's Next War
by Joshua Frank
By now you have probably heard about the Bush Administration's secret plan to attack Iran and how US Special Forces units have been operating in the country for some time. Seymour Hersh, the maverick journalist for The New Yorker, broke the story earlier this week.
"The immediate goals of the attacks would be to destroy, or at least temporarily derail, Iran's ability to go nuclear. But there are other, equally purposeful, motives at work," writes Hersh. "The government consultant told me that the hawks in the Pentagon, in private discussions, have been urging a limited attack on Iran because they believe it could lead to a toppling of the religious leadership."
It is a scathing indictment. The Bush Administration, which has avoided going through Congress to initiate its covert operations, is conducting this potential invasion much differently than the invasion of Iraq. The reasons may be political in nature. The US public, or at least those who opposed the Iraq war, made it somewhat difficult for Bush to instigate war against Saddam Hussein's regime.
Gathering in the streets, and later on Capitol Hill, they forced a public discussion, carefully scrutinizing Bush's motives. Now that many of Bush's claims about Iraq's WMD program and ties to al-Qaeda have been disproven (though Bush might beg to differ), Bush and company may be struggling to garner sufficient support to justify waging another war with an already strained military.
But the Bush administration may not have to worry about the opposition for round two. After all, the Democrats have long agreed that Iran must be dealt with militarily.
Recently, the Democratic Party's rising "progressive" star Barack Obama said he would favor "surgical" missile strikes against Iran.
As Obama told the Chicago Tribune on September 26, 2004, "[T]he big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures [to stop its nuclear program], including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point ... if any, are we going to take military action?"
He added, "[L]aunching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in" given the ongoing war in Iraq. "On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse." Obama went on to argue that military strikes on Pakistan should not be ruled out if "violent Islamic extremists" were to "take over."
Senator John Kerry echoed this sentiment on May 29, 2004, when he told the Washington Post that the Bush Administration has not "been tough on the [Iran] issue … which is the issue of nuclear weaponry, and again just like I said with North Korea, you have to keep your eye on the target."
Even DNC chair hopeful Howard Dean, allegedly the liberal arm of the Democratic Party, concurs Bush has not been tough enough on Iran. The Forward quotes Dean as saying, "The United States has to ... take a much harder line on Iran and Saudi Arabia because they're funding terrorism."
In fact, while campaigning for president, Dean contended that President Bush had been far too soft on Iran. In a March appearance on CBS' Face The Nation, Dean even went so far as to say that "[President Bush] is beholden to the Saudis and the Iranians."
Foreign Policy expert Stephen Zunes wrote of the Democrats' platform in Foreign Policy in Focus on August 12, 2004:
"One possible target for American forces under a Kerry administration is Iran. The platform implies an American right to such military intervention by stating that 'a nuclear-armed Iran is an unacceptable risk to us and our allies.' No concern is expressed, however, about the already-existing nuclear arsenals of Iran's neighbor Pakistan or of nearby Israel. Iran has called for a nuclear-free zone in the region, which the Democrats appear to reject, apparently because it would require America's regional allies to get rid of their nuclear arsenals as well. The Democrats, like the Republicans, believe that instead of pushing for multilateral and verifiable arms control treaties, the United States can effectively impose a kind of nuclear apartheid, unilaterally determining which countries can have nuclear weapons and which countries cannot."
So are we really supposed to believe the Democrats will ever offer up any significant opposition to Bush's military dabbling in Iran?
Not unless by "opposition to" you mean "support for."
All warfare is based on deception.
– Sun Tzu
No Comment and
No Leadership From Obama
by Joshua Frank
As President-elect Barack Obama vacationed in Hawaii on Dec. 26, stopping off to watch a dolphin show with his family at Sea Life Park, an Israeli air raid besieged the impoverished Gaza Strip, killing at least 285 people and injuring over 800 more.
It was the single deadliest attack on Gaza in over 20 years, and Obama's initial reaction on what could be his first real test as president was "no comment." Meanwhile, Israel has readied itself for a land invasion, amassing tanks along the border and calling up 6,500 reserve troops.
On Sunday's Face the Nation, Obama senior adviser David Axelrod explained to guest cost Chip Reid how an Obama administration would handle the situation, even if it turns for the worse.
"Well, certainly, the president-elect recognizes the special relationship between United States and Israel. It's an important bond, an important relationship. He's going to honor it. … And obviously, this situation has become even more complicated in the last couple of days and weeks. As Hamas began its shelling, Israel responded. But it's something that he's committed to."
Reiterating the rationale that Israel's bombing of Gaza was an act of retaliation and not of aggression, Axelrod, on behalf of the Obama administration, continued to spread the same misinformation as President Bush: that Hamas was the first to break the cease-fire agreement, which ended over a week ago, and Israel was simply responding judiciously.
Aside from the fact that Israel's response was anything but judicious, the idea that it was Hamas who broke the six-month truce is a complete fabrication.
On the night of the U.S. election, Israel fired missiles on Gaza that were aimed at closing down a tunnel operation they believed Hamas was building in order to kidnap Israeli soldiers. The carnage left in the wake of Israel's bombing of Gaza over the past six weeks has killed dozens of Palestinians.
"The escalation towards war could, and should, have been avoided. It was the State of Israel which broke the truce, in the 'ticking tunnel' raid … two months ago," the Israeli peace group Gush Shalom wrote in a press release. "Since then, the army went on stoking the fires of escalation with calculated raids and killings, whenever the shooting of missiles on Israel decreased."
Over the last seven years only 17 Israeli citizens have been killed by Palestinian rocket fire, which makes it extremely difficult for Israeli politicians, who are in the midst of an election, to argue that their response has been proportionate or defensible in any way.
The asymmetry of the conflict leaves an opening for harsh criticism from soon-to-be president Barack Obama. He has every right to oppose Israel's belligerence. The international community and public opinion are on his side. Certainly he knows Israel's disproportionate response has inflicted pain on Palestinians beyond what the blockade has done by keeping vital medical and other supplies from reaching Gaza, where hundreds have died as a result of inadequate medical treatment.
While bombs fall on a suffocating Palestinian population and Israeli forces prepare for a ground invasion, Obama is monitoring the situation from afar after a talk with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other Bush administration officials. This isn't leadership; it's a continuation of a policy that has left Palestinians with little recourse, let alone hope for lasting peace.
"The president-elect was in Sderot last July, in southern Israel, a town that's taken the brunt of the Hamas attacks," David Axelrod told Chip Reid on Face the Nation. "And he said then that, when bombs are raining down on your citizens, there is an urge to respond and act and try and put an end to that. So, you know, that's what he said then, and I think that's what he believes."
If Axelrod is correct, and Barack Obama does indeed support the bloodshed inflicted upon innocent Palestinians by the Israeli military, there should be no celebration on Inauguration Day 2009, only mass protest against a Middle East foreign policy that must change in order to begin a legitimate peace process in the region.
It's funny that while the Dear Bruce rant's about Obama dropping love nectar on liberal's in BEND, from SUTERRA's fleet of aerial sprayers, that in IRAN the government is telling the people they are about to be invaded by the USA.
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TEHRAN (FNA)- The Bush administration has created the required infrastructure for attacking Iran and delivered his war plan to Obama, a senior Iranian military official said Saturday, adding that Obama's election has provided Iran with a one-year opportunity to increase preparedness.
Tehran (FNA) January 9, 2009
Addressing a meeting to mark the start of the Week of Basij (mobilization of volunteer forces), lieutenant commander of the General Staff of Iran's Armed Forces Major General Gholam-Ali Rasheed said that US President George Bush has established the infrastructures required in the region for posing a threat to Iran.
"The United States' threats have now found a structural form. They have done the planning for reaching the necessary preparedness to wage a war (against Iran) through setting up military bases, holding (security) pacts, etc.," he said.
The General viewed "northwestern and southeastern Iran as well as the southwestern province of Khuzestan as vulnerable points" the US forces are likely to use if they want to invade Iran, and underlined that the aforementioned areas should become invulnerable within the next one year.
He further urged military officials to leave war rhetoric and expression of foreign policy views to politicians and "accelerate measures to boost Iran's deterrent power".
Considering that the country is now under threat, he said, we should consider measures to prevent entering the stage of actual war.
US forces attacked a Syrian village near the borders with Iraq on October 26, and the raid on Sukkariyah, which took place almost simultaneously with an air raid on a Pakistani village, has raised speculation about the likelihood of similar unilateral strikes by the US troops on other regional states, including the Islamic Republic.
Speculation that Israel could also bomb Iran mounted after a big Israeli air drill in June. In the first week of June, 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters reportedly took part in an exercise over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece, which was interpreted as a dress rehearsal for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear installations.
Israel and its close ally the United States accuse Iran of seeking a nuclear weapon, while they have never presented any corroborative document to substantiate their allegations. Both Washington and Tel Aviv possess advanced weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear warheads.
Iran vehemently denies the charges, insisting that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only. Tehran stresses that the country has always pursued a civilian path to provide power to the growing number of Iranian population, whose fossil fuel would eventually run dry.
Iran has, in return, warned that it would target Israel and its worldwide interests in case it comes under attack by the Tel Aviv.
The United States has also always stressed that military action is a main option for the White House to deter Iran's progress in the field of nuclear technology.
Iran has warned that in case of an attack by either the US or Israel, it will target 32 American bases in the Middle East and close the strategic Strait of Hormoz.
An estimated 40 percent of the world's oil supply passes through the waterway.
In a Sep. 11 report, the Washington Institute for the Near East Policy says that in the two decades since the Iran-Iraq War, the Islamic Republic has excelled in naval capabilities and is able to wage unique asymmetric warfare against larger naval forces.
According to the report, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Navy (IRGCN) has been transformed into a highly motivated, well-equipped, and well-financed force and is effectively in control of the world's oil lifeline, the Strait of Hormuz.
The study says that if Washington takes military action against the Islamic Republic, the scale of Iran's response would likely be proportional to the scale of the damage inflicted on Iranian assets.
Meantime, a recent study by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), a prestigious American think tank, has found that a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities "is unlikely" to delay the country's program.
Intensified threats by Tel Aviv and Washington of military action against Iran contradict a recent report by 16 US intelligence bodies which endorsed the civilian nature of Iran's nuclear plans and activities.
Following the US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) and similar reports by the IAEA head - one in November and the other one in February - which praised Iran's truthfulness about key aspects of its past nuclear activities and announced settlement of outstanding issues with Tehran, any effort to impose further sanctions or launch military attack on Iran seems to be completely irrational.
The February report by the UN nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, praised Iran's cooperation in clearing up all of the past questions over its nuclear program, vindicating Iran's nuclear program and leaving no justification for any new UN sanctions.
The UN nuclear watchdog has also carried out at least 14 surprise inspections of Iran's nuclear sites so far, but found nothing to support West's allegations.
Also in another report to the 35-nation Board of Governors, IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei confirmed "the non-diversion" of nuclear material in Iran and added that the agency had found no "components of a nuclear weapon" or "related nuclear physics studies" in the country.
The IAEA report confirmed that Iran has managed to enrich uranium-235 to a level "less than 5 percent". Such a rate is consistent with the construction of a nuclear power plant. Nuclear arms production, meanwhile, requires an enrichment level of above 90 percent.
The Vienna-based UN nuclear watchdog continues snap inspections of Iranian nuclear sites and has reported that all "declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for, and therefore such material is not diverted to prohibited activities."
Mohammed ElBaradei, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, recently said that Iran remains far from acquiring capabilities to develop nuclear weapons as it is still lacking the key components to produce an atomic weapon.
"They do not have even the nuclear material, the raw unenriched uranium to develop one nuclear weapon if they decide to do so," said the head of the UN nuclear watchdog agency.
Following the said reports by the US and international bodies, many world states have called the UN Security Council pressure against Tehran unjustified, demanding that Iran's case be normalized and returned from the UNSC to the IAEA.
The EU official suggested that the perfect time for Israel to strike Iranian nuclear installations "is between now and January 20" -- when Obama takes office.
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The game-plan is for Israel to initiate WWIII a few days before Obama takes office, then Israel will bomb Iran, and Iran retaliate.
The US will retaliate on IRAN. 40% of the worlds oil flows through the area, and thus world oil skyrockets, which means that US can then once again afford to do anything $200 barrel oil is the plan.
Obama will be 'shocked' Bend shocked about the fact that IRAN retaliates.
Barack Obama does indeed support the bloodshed inflicted upon innocent Palestinians by the Israeli military, there should be no celebration on Inauguration Day 2009, only mass protest against a Middle East foreign policy that must change in order to begin a legitimate peace process in the region.
Re: Iran has warned that in case of an attack by either the US or Israel, it will target 32 American bases in the Middle East and close the strategic Strait of Hormoz.
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Ah, the strategic Strait of Hormoz, through which a high and significant portion of the world's oil is shipped. It's the achilles heel of any attack on Iran.
Unless, of course, you would profit if oil prices tripled.
Until Obama is actually sworn in, I'll give him the benefit of doubt when it comes to future warmaking.
fake bruce, even on DKos there is a huge fight going on over Israel right now. The bad: people still write diary titled "Why I Support Israel" that end with their statement of love for Israel, a "...light onto nations".
The good?
People in the USA are actually fucking talking about it. That's the first step towards a more balanced policy.
Kunstler over at clusterfuck nation has a funny new post up on BushCo.
"A prankish fate put George W. Bush in the oval office to keep America stupid...GWB won reelection in 2004 -- running against the weak John Kerry, "a haircut in search of a brain," as Kevin Phillips put it so memorably, who was not smart enough to pander successfully (though he tried) to the dominant, Jesus-soaked Nascar fans who inhabit the Moron Crescent that runs from West Virginia south through Dixie and then west into Idaho...As the primary resource of industrial capitalism reached its all-time production peak in 2005, the managers of the US economy allowed borrowing-from-the-future to replace productive activity as the basis for everyday life...If anything, he endorsed the popular idea that a suburban lifestyle and WalMart consumerism was a Jesus-driven entitlement, and his circle in governance did everything possible to replace the industrial economy with an economy based on suburban land development and credit card spending -- which was enabled by fantastic experiments in finance that proved to be nothing more than an impenetrable web of swindles...The fickle public that longs for the last symbolic photo op, when Mr. Obama waves at the helicopter bearing GWB into the Texas gloaming, may soon turn on the new president for failing to return them to the Blue Light Special nirvana of days gone by...During his years in Washington, America became a nation of clowns posturing in cowboy hats, bethinking ourselves righteous agents of Jesus in a Las Vegas of the spirit, where wishing was enough to get something for nothing, where "mistakes were made," but everybody was excused from the consequences of bad choices."
Savagely funny. The "Moron Crescent"--it just makes me laugh.
Hey, I just got a Zionist hate email from someone who read my comments on DKos. I must be "someone" now--I've been called a Nazi.
KOS? Those people are nuts!
To those communists, a normal rank-and-file Democrat is a "Nazi."
Meaningless. It's like being told by a snail that you're too fast.
The "Mormon Crescent"--it just makes me laugh.
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Laugh all you want but Moroni will piss on your grave.
Until Obama is actually sworn in, I'll give him the benefit of doubt when it comes to future warmaking.
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Until Bush is actually out and speaks his mind as a USA citizen and not a US president, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until them Jan 19, 2009.
I must be "someone" now--I've been called a Nazi.
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It is complicated the real Nazi's were like todays Israelis. Yet they think they're yesterday holocaust victims. The real holocaust victims are todays Palestinians.
Even Hitler called the Jews terrorists and responsible for all that is wrong in 1930's Germany.
The Israelis blame all that is wrong in today Israel on Palestinians.
Given that the Israeli's use USA made weapons for their holocaust it also makes every USA citizen a Nazi. Now that Pat Robertson has officially endorsed Obamas new program of US National Socialism it can be said that our Nazi transformation is complete, and that we're all now officially Nazi's.
TOPICAL PUSSY ALERT - CITY OF BEND - TOXIC SHOCK UGB
Bend councilors approve latest version of UGB
By Erin Golden / The Bulletin
Published: January 06. 2009 4:00AM PST
What’s next The Deschutes County Commission must approve the city’s UGB plan before it can be sent on to the Oregon Department of Land Conservation and Development. County Administrator Dave Kanner said the commission will take up the issue
Once the commission gives its OK to a plan, officials will have to notify the dozens of people who have submitted testimony in writing or at public hearings and provide a 21-day window for people to submit objections to the proposal.
Next, the director of DLCD will have 120 days to approve the map and send it on to the Land Conservation and Development Commission for a decision, or send it back to the city to have particular sections or the entire map reworked.
Nearly a year and a half after work began, the Bend City Council voted Monday to approve a map that could outline where Bend grows over the next two decades.
In a special meeting, the council voted 4-2 to OK a map called Alternative 4A. The plan would bring 8,464 acres of new land into the urban growth boundary, including space that could be used for residential and commercial development, among other things. It is the sixth map to emerge from the lengthy planning process, which has spanned dozens of meetings and resulted in hundreds of pages of paperwork.
The UGB expansion process is far from over; before anything is finalized, the map must be approved by the Deschutes County Commission and Oregon Department of Land Conservation and Development. But after the council’s vote, Mayor Bruce Abernethy said he’s pleased with the city’s plan and is hopeful it will win the favor of county and state officials.
Abernethy and councilors Jodie Barram, Mark Capell and Linda Johnson voted in support of the map, while Councilors Jim Clinton and Peter Gramlich voted in opposition. Councilor Chris Telfer was not present at the meeting.
“I do think this is a good compromise that we think is legally defensible, and we certainly wish it well as it goes on to the next stage of the journey,” Abernethy said.
The city’s plan calls for 5,475 acres of land that could be developed, including a designated area for a hospital on the south end of the city, a university in Juniper Ridge in northeast Bend, and a large amount of area that could be used for schools, parks and other public facilities, particularly on the east side, where development would extend past Hamehook and Hamby roads on the north end and to Ward Road on the south end.
The map also provides room for commercial development in the northwest section of the city, particularly in the triangle formed by U.S. Highways 97 and 20, and for large site mixed-used development in other areas in northwest Bend.
The expansion process has attracted attention from many developers, landowners and other residents because properties that get included in the UGB could see their values increase substantially.
The update of the UGB is a state requirement. The city must maintain a 20-year supply of buildable land inside the UGB for housing, employment and other uses. To get the map approved, the city must be able to defend its reasoning for including the additional acres and explain why it chose to include certain properties in the UGB.
When the city began working on a UGB update, the area was still growing at a rapid rate. At the time, city officials said they wanted to bring in land that could be developed quickly to catch up with the city’s expansion.
The last time the boundary was updated, in the early 1980s, the city’s population was less than 18,000, according to city planning documents. The 2007 U.S. Census population estimate for Bend was 74,563.
Kunstler over at clusterfuck nation has a funny new post up on BushCo.
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I love Kunstler for being the Zionist jew that he is, he'll standby Israel, and all the while point out that the USA emperor has no clothes, but will never point out that Israelis have no sense of morality.
Those that laugh at Kunstler, are simply hypocrites viewing a mirror.
GOOD-BYE GWB, HELLO AIPAC OREO
A prankish fate put George W. Bush in the oval office to keep America stupid. The nation was far from ready to see where it was going in the 21st century, and he was just the figure to keep it that way, with his void of curiosity, his allergy to reading, and his panderings to wealth-worshipping, Ponzi-loving, science-hating Jesus cultists. He goes out of office broadly regarded as an object of horror and loathing while the nation, now facing wholesale bankruptcy, struggles to imagine a plausible future, like someone who has just awakened from a cheap red wine drunk into the grip of a vicious hangover.
GWB was reputed to be an appealing personality off-camera, relaxed among his cohorts, full of fun, warmth, jokes, and nicknames. He was not quite as bad on-stage as his critics complained -- his natural obtuseness sometimes came off as candor -- but he was programmed by handlers with a range of poor locutions that eventually amounted to a world-view. For instance, the idiotic "war on terror," which served mainly to portray our adversaries as abstractions. His insistence on the term "victory" when speaking of our situation in Iraq actually fooled even his worst critics into thinking we were engaged in a "war," when for years it has been more accurately an awkward and lethal occupation.
I never believed that GWB actually tricked the nation on the "weapons of mass destruction" rationale for invading Iraq. Rather, the nation fooled itself into thinking that the war, in the first place, was anything but an act of vengeance for the gross injury of 9/11. After a couple of years, the public adopted the stupid narrative that they were "lied to," rather than recognizing the difficult truth that 9/11 had to be answered with lethal force, that international hostilities are far from wholly rational, and that Saddam Hussein got whacked because he was the Arab head-of-state who was the best candidate for getting whacked. A nation in thrall to psychotherapy, and self-esteem building programs, and the "win-win" bullshit of business Babbitry, couldn't imagine a tragic dilemma when one was staring them in the face.
GWB won reelection in 2004 -- running against the weak John Kerry, "a haircut in search of a brain," as Kevin Phillips put it so memorably, who was not smart enough to pander successfully (though he tried) to the dominant, Jesus-soaked Nascar fans who inhabit the Moron Crescent that runs from West Virginia south through Dixie and then west into Idaho. GWB was still riding pretty high when Hurricane Katrina slammed into the swamps and beaches east of Lake Ponchartrain, and the president failed to direct anybody to so much as air-drop bottled drinking water for survivors dying on rooftops and highway overpasses in New Orleans. The Left, once again, adopted an idiotic narrative to explain the event -- that Bush acted to punish African-Americans -- when plain incompetence combined with grandiose expectations for a televised happy ending to instead produce tragedy.
The fiasco in New Orleans was matched by the apparent failure to police Iraq back to stability, making the whole project appear feckless and futile, and GWB began his long swoon into discredit. But two other conditions were intensifying in the background, one the consequence of the other: peak oil and peak credit. As the primary resource of industrial capitalism reached its all-time production peak in 2005, the managers of the US economy allowed borrowing-from-the-future to replace productive activity as the basis for everyday life.
GWB barely acknowledged this compound problem. He asserted that America was addicted to oil, but he failed to take the idea a step further and say that our vaunted "way-of-life" could no longer be taken for granted. If anything, he endorsed the popular idea that a suburban lifestyle and WalMart consumerism was a Jesus-driven entitlement, and his circle in governance did everything possible to replace the industrial economy with an economy based on suburban land development and credit card spending -- which was enabled by fantastic experiments in finance that proved to be nothing more than an impenetrable web of swindles.
Those swindles began to unwind in 2007 and they now threaten to sink the USA as a viable enterprise. Their exact extent and nature still remain obscure, like the algorithms used to engineer the "alphabet soup" of fraudulent securities and recondite derivatives. In this stupendous failure, GWB is joined by his cohorts and minions in Republican polity, whose flamboyant misfeasance continues to make the credit blow-up worse by the minute. He leaves his successor, Mr. Obama, a predicament so dismal that the secession crisis of 1860 begins to look like a mere procedural quarrel in comparison. And despite the temporary crash of oil prices, the peak oil problem still looms very large in the background and has barely begun to work its hoodoo on what's left of the US economy
The same prankish fate that elevated GWB may end up excusing or papering over his current ill-standing. Decades from now he might be remembered as the last national leader who presided over an orderly transition of power in a cohering federal system. The fickle public that longs for the last symbolic photo op, when Mr. Obama waves at the helicopter bearing GWB into the Texas gloaming, may soon turn on the new president for failing to return them to the Blue Light Special nirvana of days gone by.
To me, GWB will remain the perfect representative of his time, place, and culture. During his years in Washington, America became a nation of clowns posturing in cowboy hats, bethinking ourselves righteous agents of Jesus in a Las Vegas of the spirit, where wishing was enough to get something for nothing, where "mistakes were made," but everybody was excused from the consequences of bad choices. The break from that mentality will be very severe, and we may look back in twelve months and wonder how we ever fell for the whole package. The answering of that question will occupy historians for ages to come.
To me, ZIONISTS will remain the perfect representative of his time, place, and culture. During AIPAC years in Washington, AIPAC-America became a nation of clowns posturing in cowboy hats, bethinking ourselves righteous agents of Israel in a spirit of 'Gods Chosen People', where wishing was enough to get something for nothing, where "mistakes were made," but everybody was excused from the consequences of bad choices. The break from that mentality will be very severe, and we may look back in twelve months and wonder how we ever fell for the whole package. The answering of that question will occupy historians for ages to come.
Pay no attention to names life Madoff, or Lyons, or Neuman. Focus on GWB.
FREE BEEF WITH THE TIRES YOU BURN.
FREE BEEF WITH THE TIRES YOU BURN.
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Did you honestly expect another outcome?
I predict 600 angry fucking tire flippers to hike up to JR from Priny, and demand that LS return to PRINY.
They'll burn & riot, and JR will call BEND city hall to call in the cops, to no avail, all the while team-LS will sit on Awbrey Butt, and view the fireworks.
Hell yes, burn tires, and roast cardboard 'free steaks' over the smoldering rubber.
http://themessthatgreenspanmade.blogspot.com/2009/01/david-lereah-does-one-eighty.html?ref=patrick.net
HEY KUNTS today talking about DUY,APU,&YUN,
Well David Lerah (NAR WHORE) is back in the news and has done a 180 on NAR, and is now running an anti-NAR private biz. Who would have guessed.
This is a riot, for anyone wanting an inside picture of how the BEND-BULL-BUBBLE was manufactured.
http://jewish-realtors.blogspot.com/
Searching David Lereah (NAR) I found the following. So Madoff, so Neuman, ... So Bend.
Kunstler wrote the following back in 2006, in defense of being called a 'Zionist Poodle' by the majority of his commenter's, quite cute. Why the Tony Blair reference to Kunstlers staunch defense of Zionism??
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I Kunstler: Notes from a "Zionist Poodle"
August 14, 2006
The great weakness of the peace movement is its utter inability to think strategically. The deep wish for peace, for an absence of hostilities, eclipses the fact that hostilities abide. Thus, Israel becomes the new villain in the story for carrying the West's water in the struggle against the abiding hostility of Jihad.
The peace movement does not believe in Jihad. By Jihad, I mean a trans-national ideologically-driven campaign to murder "infidel" non-Muslims and to extend Islam's domain geographically as far as possible. An important feature of the campaign is the elimination of Israel, an irritating piece of Western "infidel" grit lodged in Islam's throat.
Ideologically, Jihad despises Israel because Hebrew culture represents the basis of notions central to western civilization -- that there should be rules regarding decent human conduct beyond whatever raw power itself may assert; that we are responsible for our conduct; and that someone above is watching our conduct and weighing our responsibility.
Jihad is not interested in decent conduct per se. That's why many Jihadists endorse conduct like the indiscriminate murder of non-muslims per se, videotaped beheadings of non-combatants by the cruelest methods imaginable, the suicide / homicide bombings of discos and cafes where no military assets are present, and the downing of civilian airplanes with bombs. These things are merely expressions of raw power, which is the antithesis of civilized conduct.
The leaders of Lebanon are not interested in responsibility for the conduct of their policies and the things that happen within their territory. They permit a rogue Jihadist army to operate freely on Lebanese soil, to amass rockets and other ordnance, to fire them at Israel at the behest of the Jihadist's sponsor, Iran, and to use Lebanese civilians as shields and sandbags to defend those military assets -- and then they complain about the consequences when those military assets are attacked.
The peace movement doesn't take Jihad at its word. Jihad is not interested in peace. It is a war movement.
The United States had to take Jihad seriously when Jihad hijacked airplanes and knocked down two skyscrapers and one side of the Pentagon. (And, by the way, I regard theories that Vice-president Dick Cheney "masterminded" the 9/11 attacks to be paranoid nonsense beneath discussion.) The US has engaged Jihad, but rather obliquely. Our "war" in Iraq stopped being a war in 2003. It has been a clumsy and unsuccessful policing job since then against two Islamic sects fighting over the oil production assets of a collapsed artificially-constructed 20th century state that was once known as "Iraq."
The original strategic impetus of the Iraq war was to kick an Islamic state's ass as a reply to the 9/11 attack. Since the 9/11attack was not carried out by a sovereign nation, the US reply had to be made to a target that represented the next best thing, and by default Sadaam Hussein was selected because he and his state had caused a lot of trouble in the recent past. Strategically it was deemed that removing him from power would have additional benefits for stability in the region. It was a tragic miscalculation. Life is sometimes tragic and nations make tragic errors. The US effort since the initial invasion was intended to prevent that state from collapsing but turned out to have only stimulated and accelerated the process. The Shia and the Sunni antagonists were not really interested in the one thing that the US had to offer: institutions styled on Western infrastructures for justice and law. The two antagonists were only interested in the assertion of raw power.
One thing the peace movement never considers: what if there had been no US reply to the injury and insult of 9/11? What if we had just sucked it up? I can't prove this, but I believe that such behavior would have only emboldened Jihad to seek more targets of opportunity, and probably enticed Mr. Hussein into the kind mischief and grab for leadership of trans-national Jihad that Mr. Ahmadinejad is now showing. Critics will hasten to point out that Hussein was a secular dictator. I would hasten to remind them that in his final years in power he had taken to such stunts of religiosity as building mega-mosques, and transcribing the Koran using his own blood for ink.
(The 9/11 Dick Cheney fantasy is interesting insofar as it provides the nuttier elements of the peace movement with a justification for not replying to the attacks -- we did it to ourselves.)
What is the meta-strategic objective for the US in the Middle East? It is to preserve the orderly flow of oil resources. Is that a good thing? I happen to be a critic of the way America uses its oil resources, that is in the operation and further elaboration of a living arrangement based on extreme car dependency. I am not convinced that a "cold turkey" sudden cut-off of our oil supplies would be a good thing for our society. However, I have a fatalistic view that sooner or later we will face the loss of these energy resources and that we had better prepare ourselves for the event.
Something else is happening. The US's strategic objective of preserving oil flows is being pre-empted by the objective of defending the West against an increasingly restive and aggressive Jihad. Sooner or later Jihad will turn to its "oil weapon" to throw a wrench in the machinery of the West's defense -- but in the meantime, the greed for oil revenues trumps that action. Anyway, Jihad perceives the West's growing weakness without sacrificing its oil income. The addicts are killing themselves.
Finally, it is apparent to Jihad that they face a horizon on the availability of their oil drug (and weapon). Peak oil is well understood by the Islamic oil producers. (Among the most articulate peak oil voices on the international scene is Samsam Bakhtiari, former head of the Iranian National Oil Company.) For the oil-producing Islamic nations, the dwindling of oil supplies, now imminent, has enormous implications. Chief among these is the very existence of large populations predicated on a single resource. Their fear of this future has stimulated millions of young men in these doomed societies to join Jihad, an apocalyptic cult seeking the resolution of last things.
The West, too, has its share of apocalyptarians. While the Republican party in power has flirted with them for political gain, I do not believe that anyone really holding the reins of power, including George W. Bush, really subscribes to these ideas. At worst, George W. Bush subscribes to the idea that Americans should continue to live in an easy-motoring utopia. But the reality of peak oil must even impress him.
So, as the oil predicament becomes untenable for both the suppliers and the addicts, we increasingly face this worldwide campaign of religious wrath. Though it is almost never expressed in the West, out of excessive politeness, Jihad can probably be described as a campaign of sheer vengeance against those who consumed Islam's energy resources and thus its future. The Muslim people got a raw deal. Their kings, princes, and despots enjoyed wealth beyond imagination, while the masses simply bred themselves into an ecological crisis. They possessed a geographical region, large at it is, that is mostly good for nothing except growing dates and sesame seeds. Their fantasies of vengeance are grandiose. The West has to contend with them, has to defend itself against them. Israel is on the front lines of that defense. The prospects for the other Western nations facing this implacable enemy are grim and frightful. We want there to be no fighting. We want everyone to be kind to everybody else. We want peace. They want war.
HEY KUNTS HERE's A GOOD METRIC ON DA TIMES ...
Since this past summer FOREIGNERS have FUCKING DUMPED more USA assets than any other time in KNOWN fucking history, wonder what brought MADOFF down? It was redemptions.
Investors dump $89B in U.S. securities in historic fire sale
By David J. Lynch, USA TODAY
The deep river of private money that helped knit together the global economy has abruptly dried up, new government figures show.
As the global financial crisis grew more severe this summer, foreigners sold almost $90 billion of U.S. securities — the greatest quarterly fire sale by overseas investors since the government began keeping track in 1960. U.S. investors also are retrenching; they unloaded about $85 billion worth of foreign holdings in the quarter, says the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.
"We've had a global panic. Everyone is pulling their money home," says economist Adam Posen of the Peterson Institute in Washington, D.C.
That's bad for economic growth in the U.S. because it threatens to starve capital-hungry companies and entrepreneurs. But it's especially serious for emerging-market countries that rely heavily on outside financing. Capital flows into countries such as South Korea, Turkey and Brazil were evaporating even before the mid-September Lehman Bros. bankruptcy made things worse.
Madoff Fund was Bust NOT a Fraud, but Fraud Entitles Investors to Compensation
December 26, 2008
Madoff pulls the wool over everyones' eyes.
In a brilliant piece of detective work and logic reasoning, writer Muhammad Rafeeq has exposed what Madoff is really at by pleading guilty to the $50 billion so called fraud.
Rafeeq worked for many years in large investment firms and knows how the system works. On reading that banks like HSBC and Santander and others have lost billions, he says there is absolute no way that these banks would commit money to a single institute like Madoff without an extensive history of accounts going back at least 3 years and investigation and analysis of the investment model, assets and other data. There are teams of specialists in these banks to do this all the time.
Rafeeq suggests that Madoff fund simply went bust in which case the investors would not be entitled to get any money back. But by claiming it is a fraud and Madoff has pleaded guilty, and the state accepts it, it means all the so called defrauded investors are entitled to be fully compensated under the US government's financial fraud protection scheme.
In this brilliant article Rafeeq brings to the fore what any of us should know as obvious if we think about it and Madoff has deceived us all twice. There is no way that so many people and so many institutes, banks and pension funds would have invested billions with Madoff with absolutely zero oversight or prior investigation.
The more likely scenario is that is hedge fund went bust as are up to 30% of hedge funds are expected to do so. But by pleading guilty, the entire corrupt and criminal system has gone along with his deceit and accepted. It means that the tax payer will ultimately be bailing out these losses. Expect more "frauds" like Madoff to be come to light and the CEOs to strangely plead guilty because they now all want to get on the bailout gravy train.
Here's some choice quotes from the article: The first caught his attention
....So a truly heartwarming confession. And it was apparently made to his 2 sons, both of whom who worked for the fund and who had absolutely no idea that this fraud was being perpetrated, until such time as this astounding confession.
But then I started to look more closely at the mix of investors who have lost money. About half of them are professional investing institutions....
...Spanish bank Santander had £2.1billion of client money with Madoff. HSBC has admitted to lending about £600million to funds who wanted to use debt to gear up their positions with Madoff.
Then the dots begin to join...
I have acted as a professional consultant to major EC and US financial institutions on corporate and institutional credit risk and the idea that anyone in HSBC or Santander could authorise large investment without the internal checks and controls being employed is almost impossible. To try and believe that EVERY institution that invested in Madoff circumvented their internal control procedures IS impossible. ....
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When the credit committee are called together to review an application, everything is ready prepared for them ..... ..... the lower levels of credit approval process will have prepared a summary of all the application documentation, included in the meeting bundle, with the strengths, weaknesses, and other important credit risk points. This application will usually contain a set of audited accounts going back a minimum of 3 years and most likely 5 years. There will be a full credit breakdown of the investment profile of the business, Madoff's hedge fund, looking at how the fund obtains its returns; investment assets and investment methodology. After the committee is satisfied that all the issues and concerns have been addressed they will vote on the approval or otherwise.
The article provides even more compelling evidence....
So why plead guilty? The answer is simple. Look on the net and you will see that because this case is being labelled a fraud, it would appear that investors are going to be able to claim their investment back under the US government's financial fraud protection scheme. A judge has already given his approval in principle for compensation, without any evidence having been presented and financial fraud being demonstrated in a court of law. And it would appear that there will never be such a demonstration in a court of law. Why? It would appear that all the funds financial records are mostly "missing" (rather like Dov Zakheim's US$1.4tn) and those few records that do survive are in a terrible mess.
However, since the guy has pleaded guilty we do not need to demonstrate the fraud, because he says he is guilty.
And look further on the net and you will see that these "victims" have also been told by the US tax authorities that they will probably also be entitled to claim back some taxes on these defrauded sums.
Rather than saying this hedge fund has gone bust, due to its choice of investment assets and investment methologies, a scenario which is highly probable in the current financial paradigm, since all the professionals are predicting that at least 30% of all hedge funds are about to fail, more than 700 of them, the CEO chooses to fess up to fraud. If the CEO admits the fund has gone bust, then all those wealthy members of the Jewish community get nothing, but if the CEO admits to fraud they get their money back as compensation from the US tax payer, just as they are also drawing money back from the tax payers with the other hand.
The lesson to learn from this article and relatively simple logical reasoning about the facts of the case is how shallow all the other coverage has been and how easily the public even in a huge swindle like this is distracted from the key kernel of truth that common sense thinking about the facts demonstrate.
It should also be quite clear that all the investors and institutes that will get their money back, know that Madoff is falsely pleading guilty and carrying out a fraud by pretending it to be a fraud. Thus they are essentially parties to the crime too.
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/rumors-of-upcoming-microsoft-cut-backs.html
Interesting Microsoft to layoff 10% an almost all tele-commuters.
OUCH BEND!!!
With the collapse of Microsoft, techies in Seattle are predicting walk-away in Seattle to exceed that of CALI.
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In California, we saw that many underwater home “owners” opted to just walk away. And by one account in Seattle, that walk away trend has already started. The Geldpress team recently interviewed one highly paid Microsoft employee who just made his last and final mortgage payment in November. “Mr Microsoft” (identity protected) purchased a condominium near his Microsoft employer in December 2007 for just under $350,000.
He was a first time home “buyer”, and like many first time “buyers” he didn’t put a single penny down. His particular mortgage was a 30 year fixed with an interest rate of 6.125%. His initial total payments, including mortgage and property taxes were $2,600. This was a condominium, so he also paid almost $300 in association fees, bringing his total monthly outlay to about $2,900. But several months after the purchase, he witnessed two payment hikes. The first hike was in his monthly association fees, which were jacked up by nearly $100, as is very common with new condominium conversions. The second hike was from the lien holding bank, who insisted he spend an additional $400 per month in mandatory flood insurance. This brought his total monthly outlay to nearly $3,400. For comparison, “Mr Microsoft” estimates that he can rent an equivalent size and quality apartment for only $1,500. He now regrets his “purchase” decision, but he does not regret abandoning his mortgage payments. He expects to live rent free for at least 6 months before eviction, and possibly up to a year.
Although Seattle housing values have held up reasonably well so far in comparison to other major cities, the recent and upcoming job losses may accelerate the down trend. According to the data reported by the Seattle PI, Washington Mutual is shedding 3,400 jobs in the Seattle area. The PI also reports numerous other double and triple digit layoffs in 2008, with an increasing trend inherent in the figures. And if the rumors are correct from the Mini-Microsoft blog, thousands of high paying Microsoft job losses will be announced in January, equating to roughly 10% of its workforce. That’s hardly the ideal condition to buck the trend of crashing home prices in the Seattle area. Seattle may soon take over California cities for monopolizing the mortgage walk away headline news.
Seattle, another Bend 'feeder market' to collapse HEY MS kunts, what about those second homes in BEND? You paid nothing down on.
PDX is fucked, Seattle, CALI, all of BEND feeder's are now fucked, the DIFF is that BEND is a second home market, and NOBODY out of work needs a second home.
So walk-away or MARGE-STYLE jingle-mail will go astro in BEND.
The actual Rafeeq post:
The Madoff Double Bluff
by Muhammad Rafeeq
At first sight it was extremely refreshing. A white-collar financial crook raising his hands and pleading guilty to his financial crime. This has to be almost a first. Usually financial criminals when caught in the most obvious of wrong-doing plead 'not guilty'. The criminal can be caught boarding the plane, with a suitcase containing US$100mn of someone elses cash, with his mistress holding on to his arm, he will look into the camera with his most genuine 'Tony Blair look of sincerity' and say "What we have here is a misunderstanding.... " You make up the rest of the excuse, there is a million of them.
So yes, an outright confession, "It was me, I chopped down the apple tree" is so against the current socio-political culture it was almost too good to be true. Especially given the pedigree of this perp, the CEO of one of the busiest and most prominent financial exchanges in the world. After his confession the world goes into shock, especially the Jewish world, since affluent members of this community had previously flocked to his door, seeking his world famous high returns. Since his arrest the press is full of people extolling his virtues as a decent human-being and "who would ever of believed it?". It would be so easy for this man to deny any wrongdoing because he could bring out an army of good character witnesses and he could just point at some suspect-looking goy in his hedge fund organisation to lay the blame on.
So a truly heartwarming confession. And it was apparently made to his 2 sons, both of whom who worked for the fund and who had absolutely no idea that this fraud was being perpetrated, until such time as this astounding confession.
But then I started to look more closely at the mix of investors who have lost money. About half of them are professional investing institutions. Look at this quote from the UK's Daily Mail newspaper :
"Full details of the exact losses are yet to emerge. Hedge funds and banks have so far admitted to having around £16billion with Madoff - only half of the total that is reckone d to have been lost. Some of the biggest casualties are Swiss private banks, which have taken hits amounting to about £2.5billion. Spanish bank Santander had £2.1billion of client money with Madoff. HSBC has admitted to lending about £600million to funds who wanted to use debt to gear up their positions with Madoff. RAB capital, the hedge fund that lost huge sums on investing in Northern Rock, has revealed that it is exposed to Madoff to the tune of around £6million."
Now the confession does not look right at all.
It is possible to accept the idea of a Ponzi scheme be played on members of the public, who are ignorant of how such schemes are worked, in fact the schemes are targetted specifica lly at such people. Yet Madoff would have us believe that he managed to convince professional investment companies to put their funds with him without any due diligence being performed. This is clearly nonsense.
I have acted as a professional consultant to major EC and US financial institutions on corporate and institutional credit risk and the idea that anyone in HSBC or Santander could authorise large investment without the internal checks and controls being employed is almost impossible. To try and believe that EVERY institution that invested in Madoff circumvented their internal control procedures IS impossible.
Why is this important? Simple. If someone approaches the HSBC credit risk team, for instance, with a view to making a loan or investing a sum as large as £600m to what is ultimately a single institution (therefore a single counterparty credit exposure) a significant number hoops would have to be jumped through. Firstly there is the credit officer competence limit, which is the maximum amount that a single credit officer may be allowed to authorise. More than his/her limit must be referred up the credit approval food chain. In an institution like HSBC or Santander etc, £600bn or US$1bn will have been referred to the very top of the food chain, the banks' credit committees at the board level. This is an enormous sum and no lacky is going to be able to approve this by themselves, ever.
When the credit committee are called together to review an application, everything is ready prepared for them, so they can cut to the chase . The lower levels of the credit approval process will have prepared a summary of all the application documentation, included in the meeting bundle, with the strengths, weaknesses, and other important credit risk points. This application will usually contain a set of audited accounts going back a minimum of 3 years and most likely 5 years. There will be a full credit breakdown of the investment profile of the business, Madoff's hedge fund, looking at how the fund obtains its returns; investment assets and investment methodology. After the committee is satisfied that all the issues and concerns have been addressed they will vote on the approval or otherwise.
So there is no way that Madoff could have been pulling a scam. It would have stood out as clear as day to professional financial analysts, whose only job in life is to examine the management of companies and their reports and accounts, to make sure that all is in order. Its their job, its what they do. They are the world experts in spotting anomalies. The idea that all these professionals in all these companies were all duped is absolute nonsense. It is highly improbable that one such evaluation process could have been fooled, but all of them, never. A Ponzi scheme is easy to spot when you have the audited accounts and the full range of investment assets and investment metodologies employed.
Also, this scam avoided the attention of all the funds employees; accountants, traders, auditors and the US regulators, all of whom are also financial professionals.
This again is absolute nonsense. A ny company that I have ever worked for would have known internally that such business was being done, because they are all involved. For instance, a trader goes on buying equities from the worlds stock exchanges that go down in price for 5 continuous years, but the company just keeps giving him more money to top up the trading, continues paying his salary and even annual bonus. Absolute rubbish. But assuming this actually did happen, the market risk team would have been watching these losses, as would have the accountants. It is not possible to hide things like this internally for very long, months at the most; 20+ years, NEVER.
So why plead guilty? The answer is simple. Look on the net and you will see that because this case is being labelled a fraud, it would appear that investors are going to be able to claim their investment back under the US government's financial fraud protection scheme. A judge has already given his approval in principle for compensation, w ithout any evidence having been presented and financial fraud being demonstrated in a court of law. And it would appear that there will never be such a demonstration in a court of law. Why? It would appear that all the funds financial records are mostly "missing" (rather like Dov Zakheim's US$1.4tn) and those few records that do survive are in a terrible mess.
However, since the guy has pleaded guilty we do not need to demonstrate the fraud, because he says he is guilty.
And look further on the net and you will see that these "victims" have also been told by the US tax authorities that they will probably also be entitled to claim back some taxes on these defrauded sums.
Rather than saying this hedge fund has gone bust, due to its choice of investment assets and investment methologies, a scenario which is highly probable in the current financial paradigm, since all the professionals are predicting that at least 30% of all hedge funds are about to fail, more than 700 of them, the CEO chooses to fess up to fraud. If the CEO admits the fund has gone bust, then all those wealthy members of the Jewish community get nothing, but if the CEO admits to fraud they get their money back as compensation from the US tax payer, just as they are also drawing money back from the tax payers with the other hand.
And, as can be seen at the Daily Mail link above, the investors in this fund only get to litigate the fund directors against Lloyds insurers in London for even more compensation. Done properly the compensation could end up paying out far more than the original fund returns (yes this is sarcasm, it was bound to creep in eventually in yet another swindle like this).
Would that I could believe that Madoff were a good guy who slipped and then became repentant. But given the facts, this simply cannot be true.
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fake bruce, thanks for the old post from Kunstler. I can't believe people think you can drive a couple million people off their land without repercussions, but many, many here in America do. Even in this day and age. So every American sends $10 to Israel so it can defend itself.
$40 vouchers for DTV conversion in jeopardy
MSNBC - 50 minutes ago
The federal government has run out of money to help people purchase digital converter boxes for their televisions. Starting February 17 television stations will switch to a digital signal.
I like that 'make bruce', we have fake tits, fake dicks, fake ... fraud, ..
Why not have 'fake bruces' its so Bend.
I can't believe people think you can drive a couple million people off their land without repercussions, but many, many here in America do. Even in this day and age. So every American sends $10 to Israel so it can defend itself.
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That's the HBM argument. Let's see the USA drove the US INJUN off his land and into concentration camps, and then gave them booze, and waited a few generations for them to destroy themselves.
In Israel settler stole native lands and put the native's into large city-prisons and bomb them daily with USA made missiles.
The HBM argument is the USA is in no place to condemn, as they did it to their indigenous population.
The Israel is just doing what settlers do to indigenous populations, they learned the trick from their USA masters.
Ergo we cannot not condemn Israel for imitating us.
$40 vouchers for DTV conversion in jeopardy
MSNBC - 50 minutes ago
The federal government has run out of money to help people purchase digital converter boxes for their televisions. Starting February 17 television stations will switch to a digital signal.
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I predict that post Feb 17, 2009 that Dunc will become a raging alcoholic, being deprived of TV, he'll go on a binge and destroy Bend.
fake bruce, the difference is 150 or so years and lots more media. Back then you could get away with giving smallpox-infected blankets to the natives. Today, you can't. Actual progress.
fake bruce, the difference is 150 or so years and lots more media. Back then you could get away with giving smallpox-infected blankets to the natives. Today, you can't. Actual progress.
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Depleted uranium bullets are being dumped on Iraqi's, Syrians, Iranian's, Paki's, and of course Pali's, ...
Today's progress will have far more long term consequences than small-pox blankets, and nobody cares about either.
Google 'Litton Bionetics' on the USA CIA's spread of the man-made Aid's virus.
What the fuck do you mean when you say 'small pox blankets' are no longer being passed to undesirable tribes of men?
Actual progress.
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Stomping the testicals of children during parental interrogation by US soldiers.
Certainly progress has been made, as its now official that no 'internal organ damage' is made when a child's testicals are crushed.
Like Bush said "A kinder, more gentler nation".
Buster, you got me there.
Progress is simply an illusion.
I'll go crawl back in my sleeping bag now.
Progress is simply an illusion.
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Pussy isn't there anything that we can disagree on??
I hate all this fucking common ground bullshit.
Has this forum simply become a circle-jerk for like minded bigots??
Round 2 of the Cessna layoffs begin...
Strong headwinds for area ski resorts
A bout of harsh weather combined with a slow economy make for dismal period
By Jeff McDonald / The Bulletin
Nature’s fury added up to a dismal holiday period for Central Oregon’s top two ski areas, which reported a heavy drop in visitors for what’s considered their busiest time of year.
Mt. Bachelor and Hoodoo ski areas, already dealing with a late start to the season, were beset over the holidays with weather conditions ranging from poor visibility to ice and howling wind.
On Tuesday, it was freezing fog.
“You would not want to be on Pine Marten right now,” Alex Kaufman, the director of marketing for Mt. Bachelor, said Tuesday. “The skiing surface is covered in ice, it is extremely windy. It is not a day to ski. The higher the elevation, the less pleasurable the surface is.”
Overall, the unpredictable weather marred a holiday period that was already expected to be slower this year, ski area officials said.
Central Oregon’s lodging community reported occupancy declines ranging from 10 to 30 percent over the holiday period, said Alana Audette, the president and CEO of Central Oregon Visitors Association, which promotes tourism for the region.
COVA’s survey asked the region’s resort, hotel and motel, vacation home and condominium operators if business was up or down from last year’s Christmas-through-New-Year’s period.
“Visitor volume was down dramatically,” Audette said.
Audette cited a triple whammy of factors for Mt. Bachelor’s slow start: the late start to the season, heavy snowfall close to the holidays that made travel difficult and the decline in the economy, she said.
“I am truly heartbroken for (Mt. Bachelor),” Audette said. “A lot of these factors are out of their control.”
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Audette cited a triple whammy of factors for Mt. Bachelor’s slow start: the late start to the season, heavy snowfall close to the holidays that made travel difficult and the decline in the economy, she said.
Just shows how fucking stupid Audette is. She OF COURSE left out the PRIMARY REASON Bachelor volumes fell off a cliff:
$69 DAY PASSES
Fucking dumbshit! Bachelor DID THIS TO THEMSELVES! They marked down the price of season passes (Good for locals), but CRANKED day passes thru the roof. DUH!
I predicted that this would be The Primary Killer for local hotels/etc. Locals will scoop up passes, but NO ONE will make the drive from the Valley... NO ONE.
Geez Audette, I said this MONTHS AGO. The economy, weather & other shit is a marginal force pushing visits down, but it's the out-of-control upward spiral in daily pass prices that'll push people towards Timberline & Mt Hood Meadows.
“Visitor volume was down dramatically,” Audette said.
Get used to it. That shit is NEVER going to recover. We might do 50% of our peak volumes as a steady state projection for the next decade.
People are going to pay us ONE VISIT, and find a sad little overbuilt Aspen-wannabe with empty houses & closed stores, and then they will tell their friends & they'll NEVER come here again.
All cuz the Bend RE Industrial Complex thought this bubble would be ALL UPSIDE.
Good call you fucking douches.
find a sad little overbuilt Aspen-wannabe with empty houses & closed stores...
And what's worse, it'll be OVERPRICED.
THAT is the killer. People love cheap diamonds in the rough. What they hate are diamonds in the rough selling for quadruple retail of a polished stone.
That's Bend Kool-Aid at work. We're Bend, we're different, we're better.
As I said when I started this blog, and have said a thousand times since, it's THAT ATTITUDE that will be our demise. Overpriced skiing, homes, restaurants... we're doomed cuz we drank our own PR Kool-Aid.
Private sector shed 693000 jobs in December: report
Reuters - 43 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Private employers shed 693000 jobs in December, up sharply from the revised 476000 jobs lost in November and far more than economists estimated, a report by a private employment service said on Wednesday.
sad little overbuilt Aspen-wannabe with empty houses & closed stores...
And they'll find the most coarsely rutted, unplowed streets on Earth!
Man, if I was visiting Bend, the streets during X-mas & New Years would have been enough for me to leave town. That was just ridiculous driving down Wall & Bond.
'Course that is OLD BEND -- Bend reverting back to its true self. This is a dirt fucking poor shithole, managed by idiots. Having our main drag become a four-wheeler experience over X-mas is Standard Operating Procedure.
I'm just glad we're expending MILLIONS on PR/Marketing and NOTHING on snowplows. Or cops. Or firemen. Or infrastructure. Good call, City Hall.
Bend RE Industrial Complex thought this bubble would be ALL UPSIDE.
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No they thought they had created the perfect 'ponzi scheme'.
An endless line of suckers coming from feeder markets to BEND, that the city would always pay Outside Magazine, and Golf Magazine for endless PUFF editorial about 'BEND'.
The tourists would come and buy comic books and condos.
Ponzi's end when the new suckers can't meet the old suckers redemptions, but Bend was endless because there would be new suckers endlessly coming to Bend.
Then one day the tourists quit coming, but the PR&MARKETING bills were still there, it turns out that years early all the PR&MARKETING people had moved on, to new fun places, but had stayed on Bend City PR&MARKETING contract.
Today the INTL magazines are full of PUFF about BEND, all written by people who have never been here. I think we now know, if they come and see all the Walmarts, and Traffic, and Costco's, ... and lack of anything 'FUN' to do at night, that they might tell the truth.
Today all of Bend's PR&MARKETING is done in MUMBAI on contract. During the next 'GOLF BUBBLE' of 2042 we'll be ready.
“I am truly heartbroken for (Mt. Bachelor),” Audette said. “A lot of these factors are out of their control.”
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That's SCARY TALK CUNT's.
When a bitch who is on CITY PAYROLL, say's he's scared for the MOST evil SKI condo developer in the USA. That means that AUDETTE is willing to lobby that BEND funds be borrowed to keep POWDR CORP alive.
"A lot of factors', weather? But power outages, lack of maintenance, generators with no fuel, people stuck on lifts for over two fucking HOURS. Which means lack of training.
NO the #1 factor in MT-B is that a CONDO-SKI developer bought a Forest-Service ski concession, and hasn't put a fucking dime into it in over five years, and everything is falling apart.
Only the 'weather' is a factor, all other's were man made. The weather is always there, its up to FUCKING MT-B to get the equipment up there and fucking groom the trails, but NOT this fucking year, they want 'nature' to pay all costs.
Fuck the Season-Pass, this will go down record as the last time people even think about getting fucked.
On Hoodoo, its never been a hard-wind kind of place to be.
I'm just glad we're expending MILLIONS on PR/Marketing and NOTHING on snowplows. Or cops. Or firemen. Or infrastructure. Good call, City Hall.
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The beautiful people will fix Bend, Audette could sell snow to eskimos.
We don't need cops, firemen, or toilets, or water. What we need is more Press Releases about BEND printed in Chinese press, and we need Outside Magazine to talk about what a great place Bend is 4wd on public streets.
Homer want to place any bets if CITY will KILL COVA??
Lastly, I like the headline "ALL SKI RESORTS", no only MT-B is fucked, HOODOO was always a big zero in no where, it was only MT-B incompetence in recent years that made Hoodoo look good.
The friday before xmas mt-b didn't groom, ..
In todays article they're bitching about a little fucking ice on the snow from the fog, it don't fucking matter, get up there and GROOM.
But NOOOOOOO we can't do that might cost $$$ for fuel and snow-cats' to groom, so instead now the BULL complains about the 'weather'.
The problem with MT-B is they will not do shit other than randomly run a few lifts. The tourists didn't come, and they GOT ALL THEIR MONEY UP FRONT ON SEASON-PASSES and now that money is BEND-GONE.
I can tell you all this, for the rest of the season, MT-B will not spend a fucking dime, on anything.
People will go up there and ski on ice and get hurt, what's worse is that when the ice builds up to 2" to 6" thick it becomes like broken glass.
This entire maintenance thing is just to let the place go to shit, and feel sorry for themselves, then they can cancel the season early and blame the weather. They already got the money.
Next fall they'll do the same, promote the season-pass, collect a few million and do shit, welcome to the ski-resort folks, POWDR CORP has found a business model, then shutdown in January because 'weather' problems.
When you own a ski resort, you got to maintain it, that includes the equipment, to groom the trails daily, and to keep the standby generators full of diesel fuel.
"Who would have guessed".
Remember Channings(?) wanted MT-B more bad than PAPE, so he got it, but now he can't build the condo's, cuz nobody is going to loan, and WHO the fuck would want to live up there??
POWDR CORP ( Channings ) is a condo developer, and there ain't going to be no fucking condos, so now what do they do?? They cannot make money selling lift-tickets, if they continue to fail to groom the trails their insurance costs will sky rocket.
It's a PLANNED FUCK.
Larry Flynt says he wants what Audette wants for his business.
Porn Bailout: Larry Flynt, Joe Francis Seeking Government Money
Huffington Post | Danny Shea | January 7, 2009 09:49 AM
An article in next month's Atlantic asks, "Is porn recession proof?" According to porn magnate Larry Flynt and "Girls Gone Wild" king Joe Francis, the answer is no.
TMZ reports that the pornographer pair is heading to Washington to ask for a $5 billion porn bailout:
"With all this economic misery and people losing all that money, sex is the farthest thing from their mind," Flynt says. "It's time for Congress to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America."
Francis sees his industry like the big three automakers, only BIGGER: "Congress seems willing to help shore up our nation's most important businesses; we feel we deserve the same consideration."
In the Atlantic article, Tom Johansmeyer reports that AdultVest, a hedge fund run by Francis Koenig that invests in porn-related assets, was up 50% in 2008 (a number that Joe Wiesenthal at ClusterStock says ought to be taken with a grain of salt). Johansmeyer goes on to discuss the recession effect on the porn industry:
Relatively small, fragmented, and unaccustomed to outside investment, the U.S. porn industry (which generated roughly $12 billion in 2007) is somewhat buffered from today's credit crunch, but it has its own problems. Video sales have been falling by 15 percent a year since 2005, and online content doesn't deliver the returns it used to, now that Web sites such as RedTube and PornHub basically give it away. Struggling companies need investors to help right their operations, and those that are thriving in a brutal market need funding for growth.
Enter Koenig and AdultVest. He sees the porn downturn as temporary and believes that technological improvements will trigger a turnaround. One example: iPorn, a start-up in AdultVest's portfolio that is developing an application to deliver porn to the Apple iPod. "The industry's not going anywhere," Koenig says. "You've got 6 billion people on the planet," he laughs, "and they're all horny."
The tourists didn't come, and they GOT ALL THEIR MONEY UP FRONT ON SEASON-PASSES and now that money is BEND-GONE.
Yup, I remember thinking that this was some sort of Money-Grab... "let's sell shitloads of season passes to locals, get the money, and then just let the whole place go to shit, not spend a penny...".
Planned obsolescence. Bachelor is being DESTROYED THIS SEASON. This is it. No one will go there anymore. Locals are GETTING WHAT THEY PAID FOR -- CRAP. And out-of-towners will not pay the going rate for getting screwed. What's worse, SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE UP THERE due to the deferred maintenance issue. People will start DYING UP THERE.
Mt Bachelor is DEAD.
Actually in the past 2-4 years there have been horrible accidents of people falling on the ice. Perhaps not death, but permanent disablement.
The insurance must be astro for these people, I have lots of buddies who do ski-patrol up there, and they're all seeing the worst in years. Like last year when they opened with MIN snow, and the tourists came and did 'rock skiing'.
Or these past few weeks with huge snow drifts because people were stuck, and the ski-patrol running around un-sticking people from waste deep snow.
But this past week with below zero wind-chill and people "BEND STUCK" on chairs for up to two hours getting frost-bite, ... this shit has to fucking end.
It doesn't happen anywhere, just because the BULL doesn't talk, eventually there is going to be one fucking class action lawsuit.
Sure the MT-B insurance can quietly settle all the accidents, but hell this is why our tickets COST so fucking much, cuz of the insurance costs.
MT-B has made a conscious decision to min-maintenance and pay high insurance premiums, trouble is this model is a recipe for failure, as eventually they'll become UN-insurable.
What do you fucking expect? POWDR-CORP bought MT-B to build condo's, ... and that's never going to happen, and they don't know how to run a SKI area. So who will?? Certainly not the fucking CITY.
Let's face the facts that the notion of Bend being a ski resort is over, well that's a pisser too, because now the COVA KUNTS will market XC-SKIING as downhill will be dead.
Planned obsolescence. Bachelor is being DESTROYED THIS SEASON. This is it. No one will go there anymore. Locals are GETTING WHAT THEY PAID FOR -- CRAP. And out-of-towners will not pay the going rate for getting screwed. What's worse, SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE UP THERE due to the deferred maintenance issue. People will start DYING UP THERE.
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Never under-estimate BEND-STUPID.
For 4+ years now @ Deschutes PUB I have been hearing "NEVER FUCKIN AGAIN WILL I BUY A SEASON", guess what, next season they do it again, ...
I think that MT-B will play this racket until they can't get insurance, and then they'll blame the insurance company's.
How bad can service get? Well every year MT-B reaches new lows, is this year the worst? No, it can get a lot worse.
They'll continue to sell season-passes, and COMP the inns in the area with day passes for tourists, there is a symbiotic relationship with COVA and MT-B, and the AREA hotel industry.
A lot of the HOTEL COMP package's are pre-sold like season-passes, so all the money is up-front, then you just minimize service and blame the weather.
How long can this last? Fucking forever, ...
The last year folks got sick of the shit and started going to HOODOO, but this years wind & ice, makes that even miserable.
The real thing to watch is these COMP's that the hotels do with COVA. For instance if you stay @INN@7th, you can get a 'package' of room & lift, these kinds of package help sell the hotels. But with nobody coming these COMP contracts will go extinct, when this shit goes, so will the entire COVA world.
Audette is correct to be afraid, to be very afraid.
Expect the BULL to run lots of story's about what a 'treasure' that MT-B is-is, the trouble of course, is long ago the treasure was allowed to die on the vine. Now MT-B is a blessed corpse.
I predict some kind of catastrophic failure in a system up there at MT-B, that will costs millions to rectify and NOBODY will come forward to pay, and everyone will just shrug their shoulders.
If lives are lost, then there may be criminal lawsuits, but management has to work with what they have, remember job's are hard to come by in Bend.
So MT-B will continue like an old steam-engine, that isn't maintained, and one day a rusted relief valve will fail, and the boiler will explode and take out an entire cable sending dozens of folks airborn. Experts will come in and say the entire system is non-salvageable, POWDR-CORP will walk away on an insurance loss.
In time, somebody will pick up MT-B and re-invest. Let's ALL fucking hope its not the fucking city.
Can you imagine ABER-PUSSY&CO running MT-B with the BULL behind them???
I predict some kind of catastrophic failure in a system up there at MT-B,
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Won't be today. Bachey is closed today.
>> and people "BEND STUCK" on chairs for up to two hours getting frost-bite
You think that's bad, check out what happened to me on my vacation!
I don't even have to follow the link to know you're at Vail hanging by your pants off a lift with your cold manhood exposed for all to see.
I predict some kind of catastrophic failure in a system up there at MT-B,
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Won't be today. Bachey is closed today.
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This is exactly the problem, this equip was designed to be used, and not sit dormant the ice builds, and it sits, in weather like this with the power off, and then they turn it back on as needed, that's exactly when & how your going to have the big failure.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0106091vail1.html
Hardcore BENDBB masturbation material is back on the net boyz.
>> I don't even have to follow the link to know you're at Vail hanging by your pants off a lift with your cold manhood exposed for all to see.
Yes, its actually old news (yesterday I saw it) but I can't help but laugh my ass off.
I have no idea why everyone wants to come to Orygun to ski. If you want to ski, please do yourself a favor and head to Aspen/Snowmass (Colorado). 4 mountains, awesome conditions, and better views.
hehe, my word verification was "annie" (as in "Little Annie's" in Aspen??). What a coincidence.
I have no idea why everyone wants to come to Orygun to ski.
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For as long as I can remember the deal was that snow @ mt-hood was always wet, and thus PDX people came to Bend for 'dry snow'.
That was of course over 30 years ago.
Much has changed since then. Meadows has gotten much better, and Timberline has greatly expanded.
Given the failures at MT-B, and this dependence on artificially manufactured tourism from out-of-state, and the fact that BEND has saturated itself by over-marketing. There really is only one direction - DOWN.
Of course Old dying farts will continue to move to Bend, but old farts get a free ski on MT-B, I'm quite surprised that MT-B hasn't killed that one.
To me, even as an old-fart, even for free I'm not willing to risk getting caught on a chair for two hours. I like to be always moving, not sitting on my ass on steel in sub-zero wind chill.
Better yet would be exposing your ass on MT-B in sub-zero wind-chill.
Thanks MT-B, but I'll walk up with skins, and ski down.
Thanks, crazy congress.
http://kohd.com/page/77663
>> "It's really hard, for um (crying). This is a business we put our whole heart into," said Laherty.
Oh that's a "rich" closing line. Really gets your heartstrings.
Damn, never thought there would be a black market for kids clothes. Craigslist Kids items will become monitored by the Feds like the Erotic Services section.
The media finally prints the correct title for this story.
Les Schwab Lays Off 65 In Prineville
BY ETHAN LINDSEY
Bend, OR January 7, 2009 9:01 a.m.
Les Schwab Tires confirmed Tuesday that it has cut the jobs of 27 employees – and temporarily laid off 38 seasonal workers.
It’s another blow to Prineville’s struggling economy, as central Oregon correspondent Ethan Lindsey reports.
The company employs 7000 workers in 8 western states.
And the famously private firm has announced very few layoffs in the past few years.
Les Schwab is known for the way it shares profits with employees and for its customer service.
And the company is famous for giving away beef with its tires.
But in this recession, sales are slowing in beef, tires, and almost everything.
Les Schwab’s spokeswoman confirmed that the company isn't selling as many tires – and the layoffs are a result of that.
The 65 job cuts came from the company’s operations center in Prineville. That's another hit to Crook County, which already has the state’s highest unemployment rate – above 12 percent.
Plus, the tire company just moved its white-collar jobs from Prineville to a brand new executive headquarters 33 miles away, in Bend.
We have to test homes as a landlord for lead based paint. There are cheap little kits that you can buy to test for lead.
Testing clothing wouldn't be hard.
It sounds to me like nobody wants to make an effort to even test for lead.
Sound's like "If I have to test for lead, I'm getting out of biz".
Bullshit, just test for lead and move on.
Nobody wants to do anything, but bitch and whine.
There are tons of cheap lead testing kits, just get off your ass and find them.
In my business, we need to test to see if our secret formaldehyde dumping area is actually leaching into the ground water. Damn Federales messing with my business.
Come on. Testing kids clothing for lead is stupid. That can't be what congress intended. It's just sloppiness.
Since the 1970's there have been laws to protect children from lead. That be 40 fucking years KUNTS.
Testing for lead is cheap & easy.
All this dyed, and painted chinese shit is full of lead, this is what you get for shopping @ WALMART god damn fucking KUNTS.
So now your children are going to be real fucking stupid, but its the kids that are more susceptible to lead, so get off your fucking ass, and volunteer at the local goodwill to test kids shit for lead.
It's a no brainer, unless ...
Q, that was fucking hilarious. Damn lifty was probably sleeping in the shack ;)
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I have no idea why everyone wants to come to Orygun to ski. If you want to ski, please do yourself a favor and head to Aspen/Snowmass (Colorado). 4 mountains, awesome conditions, and better views.
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And it's cheaper:
New for the 08-09 season, The Epic Season Pass is the only ski pass that offers Unrestricted (no blackout dates) and Unlimited (where you want, when you want) access to Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone and Heavenly. It's enough to excite the senses and, at $629, boggle the mind. On sale until 12/1!
Bachelor will be in fine shape in the long run due to climate change, which will shut down all ski slopes south of the 45 degree meridian, which includes Utah, Colorado, not to mention California.
The ski resorts of the future?
Montana and Oregon.
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/ski_resorts_sound_alarm_over_climate_change_and_celebrity_jets
"Rocky Mountain ski areas face dramatic changes this century as the climate warms, says a new Colorado study.
The study indicates snowlines -- elevations below which seasonal snowpack will not develop -- will continue to rise through this century, moving up more than 2,400 feet from the base areas of Colorado's Aspen Mountain and Utah's Park City Mountain by 2100, said University of Colorado at Boulder geography Professor Mark Williams."
Hell yes, in 2100 MT-B will be ready, until then. MOTHBALL.
Shit we test kids for drugs, we test schools for lead & radon, ... test their little fucking PUG minds for knowledge, ...
If their DUMB FUCKING PUG parents are stupid enough to buy chinese shit from walmart, and then give it to the good-will, and then on this econ cycle, when they have to buy their own shit back, ... why not test it for lead??
Maybe in the future ALL fucking parents will carry little reusable $10 lead-kits, and test everything that their little 'spawn' shoves in its mouth???
Tell us what your really think about Pug spawn bruce??
"Hell yes, in 2100 MT-B will be ready, until then. MOTHBALL"
Was talking to a friend whose an geologist this weekend and he was saying that eventually, SanFran will inherit a climate like LA is today, and that Oregon will feel more like the north half of California is today.
Of course all of us will probably all be retired or dead by the time the big changes come, so it's probably a moot issue. But LONG RUN, OR's situation doesn't look terrible.
It's just stupid to test a cotton shirt for lead. This is an unintended consequence of the law.
Man, if I was visiting Bend, the streets during X-mas & New Years would have been enough for me to leave town. That was just ridiculous driving down Wall & Bond.
It's that way every time there's an appreciable snowfall. Bend just doesn't seem to "get" the whole "snow removal" idea. They don't so much plow the snow in the streets as pack it down; then they spread cinders on it, and this combined with the freezing-and-thawing action creates the washboard effect we know so well.
Somewhat apropos of this, does it seem to anybody else but me that Bend has the LOOOOONNNNnnnnngest traffic lights in North America?
And that Bend drivers are the SLOOOOOOOWWWWwwest in pulling away from the light when it finally changes?
If you get caught at the light at Reed and Third during rush hour you'll need a shave by the time you get through it.
I have no idea why everyone wants to come to Orygun to ski.
Don't know any better?
Deep inside of this Singapore article about USA collapsing, is a mention about Cessna mothballing Bend.
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Jan 8, 2009
Job losses in US to persist
WASHINGTON - AMERICANS probably suffered a net loss of 2.4 million jobs last year, with the pain likely to stretch well into 2009 and possibly beyond. The dire situation underscores the recession's toll on employers and workers and the difficulty President-elect Barack Obama will face in reviving the US economy.
Already the New Year has gotten off to a rough start, and more bad news is expected this week when the government releases data on weekly jobless claims and December unemployment.
Just days into 2009, managed care provider Cigna Corp., aluminum producer Alcoa Inc. and computer products designer Logitech International were among those announcing big layoffs as companies scramble to cut costs even deeper. The flurry of layoffs suggest the employment picture will remain grim this year.
'Many companies have a bare-bones mentality. With labor being their biggest expense, you will see them continue to drop the ax on jobs,' said Richard Yamarone, economist at Argus Research. 'There is absolutely no reason to believe the economy is going to be creating jobs any time soon. There are just no reasons for companies to flick on the hiring switch.'
A barometer on layoffs due out on Thursday is expected to show that the number of newly laid off people signing up for state unemployment insurance last week rose to 540,000, up from 492,000 in the previous week, according to economists' projections.
The number of people continuing to draw jobless benefit is projected to stay near 4.5 million, demonstrating the troubles the unemployed are having in finding new jobs.
Electronic unemployment filing systems have crashed in at least three states in recent days amid a crush of newly jobless Americans seeking benefits.
On Wall Street, investors worried about the jobs outlook contributed to a sharp decline in stocks. The Dow Jones industrials lost about 260 points in late-afternoon trading.
For all of 2008, employers likely slashed payrolls by at least 2.4 million. That's based on economists' forecasts for a net loss of 500,000 additional jobs in December, as well as the job losses already reported every month last year by the government. Some, however, think the number of jobs cut last month will be higher - around 600,000 or 700,000. The Labor Department will release that report Friday.
'We await Friday with trepidation,' said Ian Shepherdson, chief US economist at High Frequency Economics.
If the conservative, 2.4 million estimate of payroll reductions for 2008 proves correct, it would mark the first annual job loss since the previous recession in 2001. It also would be the worst year of job losses since 1945, when employers slashed nearly 2.8 million jobs.
Though the number of jobs in the United States has more than tripled since then, job losses of that magnitude would be sober testimony to the nation's economic woes.
With employers throttling back hiring, the unemployment rate is expected to jump from 6.7 per cent in November to 7 percent in December, which would be the highest in 15 1/2 years. That figure also will be released on Friday.
Vanishing jobs, tanking home values and shriveled investments have forced consumers to cut back sharply on their spending. In turn, businesses have retrenched as well.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on Wednesday laid out options for the future of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which have been under government control since September, but did not endorse any. Congress and Obama administration must decide the proper role government should play in supporting home ownership, he said.
Consumers and companies are folding under the negative forces of the collapsed housing market, a global credit crunch and the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. The recession, which started in December 2007, already is the longest in a quarter-century.
The expectation of more job losses ahead 'will only perpetuate the vicious downward cycle propelling the economy,' said Bernard Baumohl, chief global economic at the Economic Outlook Group.
'As the number of people without jobs accelerates, so will the retrenchment in households' spending. If consumers cut back more, business sales and earnings shrink further. The collapse in profit margins will force companies to carry out yet another round of layoffs, which only adds more momentum to the destructive cycle,' Mr Baumohl said. 'Unfortunately, that's the scenario we see ahead.'
Against that backdrop, some companies are realising they need to cut costs more than they thought just a few months ago to cope with the carnage.
Alcoa's announcement earlier this week that it would lay off 13,500 workers marked yet another attempt for the Pittsburgh-based company to slim down. It had unveiled a series of cost-cutting measures in the fall.
Cessna Aircraft Co in Wichita, Kansas said this week it is planning a second round of layoffs as the sinking economy bites into orders for new planes. Textron Inc.'s Cessna last month issued a 60-day layoff notice to about 500 Wichita workers and another 165 workers in Bend, Oregon.
Mr Obama is proposing a mammoth US$775 billion (S$1.14 billion) package of tax cuts and government spending over two years to revive the moribund economy.
With add-ons by lawmakers, the package could swell to US$850 billion, his advisers say.
'By now we all know that we are facing a crisis in our economy, one that requires immediate and decisive action to spur the creation of new jobs,' Mr Obama said on Wednesday.
Even with a big government stimulus, economists still believe the unemployment rate will keep climbing, hitting 8 or 10 per cent by the end of this year. Obama's economic advisers estimate that a US$850 billion recovery package would lower the jobless rate to about 7.4 percent and create 3.2 million jobs by the first quarter of 2011.
Mr Obama, who takes over Jan 20, said on Wednesday his recovery plan would 'save or create' 3 million jobs.
Despite a flurry of radical government relief efforts and the Fed last month slashing a key interest rate to an all-time low, Federal Reserve officials fear the economy will be stuck in a painful rut for some time.
'The economic outlook would remain weak for a time and the downside risks to economic activity would be substantial,' according to a Fed document of its closed-door December meeting released on Tuesday. In fact, some officials worried about the 'distinct possibility of a prolonged contraction'.
And, 'amid the weaker outlook for economic activity over the next year, the unemployment rate was likely to rise significantly into 2010,' the Fed warned. -- AP
It's just stupid to test a cotton shirt for lead. This is an unintended consequence of the law.
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Not really some of that chinese crap has stencils that contain lead based paint.
Goes all back to the shopper @ walmart that bought the shit before it went 'second hand' the next day.
Hopefully Walmart doesn't sell new shit with lead anymore for children?
Right?
Given this shit only took off during the BUSH years, that's not too much to test, and most stuff is labeled, and you know of origin, in doubt, ... throw it out.
Maybe if consumers on this side of the pond are required to do a little work, maybe they'll lobby to prevent the shit from being sent here in the future.
Maybe.
IgniteBend
OK, SOMEONE HAS to submit something whacky from the blog for this. Maybe a perpetual motion machine of some sort (Sally H...are you still out there?).
Capstone Butt Plugs Brucey? Buster, how about your idea of paying Bend citizens to pick up golf balls on Tetherow???
http://data.newyorkfed.org/creditconditionsmap/
The fucking MAP
Kind of fun, credit-card & mtg delinquency by mouse on US.
quim,
Regarding 'ignite bend' children should build rockets so they can grow up, and be like Israelis,...
I don't think the children should learn about fart powered turbine butt-plugs placed up faggots butt's.
RE: The fucking MAP.
The FUCKING MAP is outdated. Read the fine print: "Above data reflects end of quarter, 2008 Q2." In q2 we were still averaging 155 defaults a month. By q4 we were averaging 208, which would put us at about 3%, but I'm guessing that within a month or so we will be at 4%.
Lowest median price in 4 years
Some interest rates, also at historic lows, could drive buyers back to Bend market
By Andrew Moore / The Bulletin
Published: January 08. 2009 4:00AM PST
The median sales price for a single-family home in Bend dipped in December to $226,000, the lowest it’s been in four years, according to an analysis of local real estate data released Wednesday by the Bend-based Bratton Appraisal Group.
The December median price is more than 13 percent off the November median and down nearly 33 percent from the December 2007 price of $337,000. It’s off 43 percent from the market’s peak of $396,000 in May 2007.
The median price is the price at which half of all homes sold for more and half sold for less. It is different from the mean, or average, price and is not a basis for determining a home’s value.
The Bratton Report uses data from the Central Oregon Multiple Listing Service and does not include the sale of condos, townhomes, manufactured homes or land.
The December report showed 66 single-family home sales in Bend during the month, compared with 70 in November and 75 in December 2007. The majority of the December sales — a little more than 80 percent — were for homes sold for less than $300,000. There were no homes sold for more than $600,000 in December.
“Entry-level homes are what’s selling,” said Andy Zook, a mortgage broker and co-owner of the Arbor Mortgage Group in Bend.
But Zook also pointed out that the December median sales price fell due to the lack of luxury home sales.
“The median price is a screwy number to begin with because it’s a reflection of the type of home that is selling not the value of the home,” Zook said.
The better number to measure value is the median sales price per square foot, he said. According to the report, in Bend it dropped in December to $126, down a little more than 5 percent from its November price of $133 and down more than 21 percent from its December 2007 price of $160. Zook said the median price per square foot, while the lowest it’s been in the past four years, is leveling off when compared with the $20 drop between October and November.
The median price per square foot is off nearly 39 percent from its peak price of $206 in August 2006 but only down a little more than 5 percent from the January 2005 price of $133.
Zook said interest rates on loans for less than $417,000 — so-called conforming loans per federal lending guidelines — are at historic lows and are driving more buyers into the market. Zook said interest rates for jumbo loans — or loans exceeding $417,000 — have not seen as dramatic a drop.
“Rates have fallen, which increase a buyer’s purchase power, and we’re seeing buyers come back into the market,” Zook said.
Bend’s inventory of all single-family homes in all price ranges was listed as 13 months. Generally, inventory of less than six months is considered a seller’s market and more than six months is considered a buyer’s market. For homes between $200,000 and $250,000 — the most active price range for sales during December — inventory stands at nine months, according to the report.
In Redmond, the median sales price for a single-family home in December was $190,000, which reflects a nearly 15 percent drop from the November price of $223,000 but is a more than 5 percent increase from the October price of $180,000.
For the year, the median price in Redmond is down nearly 15 percent compared with the December 2007 price of $223,000.
There were 33 single-family home sales in Redmond in December, up from 27 in November and unchanged from a year ago December. The Bratton Report put the inventory of single-family homes in Redmond at 14 months.
The median price per square foot in Redmond climbed to $103 in December, up from $93 in November but down from $123 in December 2007.
“Rates have fallen, which increase a buyer’s purchase power, and we’re seeing buyers come back into the market,” Zook said.
Really? Cuz that sort of conflicts with this line:
The December report showed 66 single-family home sales in Bend during the month, compared with 70 in November and 75 in December 2007. The majority of the December sales — a little more than 80 percent — were for homes sold for less than $300,000. There were no homes sold for more than $600,000 in December.
No. People are NOT "coming back" into the Bend market. This guy acts like there's this pool of speculators riding this thing out in tents off China Hat Rd.
Rates ARE way down. So are gas prices. So are home & auto prices. It's cuz the bubble has burst, and NO ONE has any money to pay their debts. We're in a deflationary spiral, just as Japan has been in for almost 20 years.
Geez.... Bratton lost all credibility with that IT ENDS IN APRIL NONSENSE last year.
The Wall Street Journal
Jan. 8, 2008
Same-store sales slumped in December, and even Wal-Mart Stores wasn't immune, cutting expectations for the current quarter. Neiman Marcus reported a 28% decline, as luxury retailers continued to suffer. Target's same-store sales fell 4.1% and it said profitability was pressured by deep markdowns
Maybe investing in ski areas is like investing in Detroit?
Maybe?
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Ski areas warned that global warming could be their end
January 6, 8:45 AM
by Tony Hake, Denver Weather Examiner
Where do you ski when there is no snow?
If there is no snow, where do you ski? A new study warns
of the danger global warming poses to the ski industry.
A new study sponsored by Aspen Mountain and the Park City Mountain Resort warns that Colorado’s ski industry faces a grave threat from global warming. According to the authors, a warming globe will at best force ski areas to move to higher altitudes to reach snow and at worst, will find themselves out of business due to no snow at all.
Authored by University of Colorado at Boulder geography Professor Mark Williams and Brian Lazar of Stratus Consulting Inc. of Boulder, the study was recently presented to the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco. Mr. Williams said, “Ski resort operators are really scrambling. The bottom line is that in order to survive, these ski areas will need to find the necessary water wherever they can and hold it in storage to satisfy future snowmaking needs."
Assuming the future rate of CO2 continues at its current pace, temperature increases of 4 degrees by 2030 and 8.6 degrees by 2100 are forecast for Aspen. By the end of the century the authors expect this to cause the snowpack line - the elevation at which winter-season snowpack can be assured — will be 2,400 vertical feet higher up. This means ski lifts will need to be revamped and lengthened to reach higher up the mountains and a source of water for increased snowmaking capacity will need to be found as will a place to store it.
The study says Aspen may need to triple its snowmaking ability in the decades to come but getting all of that water to make that even possible then becomes a big question mark. We all know water is gold in our state and there isn’t much to spare, let alone extra for recreational activity.
While the study focused on Aspen Mountain, similar – or worse - effects could be expected at ski areas across the state of Colorado. Areas of the nation that have shorter and less extraordinary ski seasons could find themselves out of business entirely. In the western part of the United States, ski areas in California’s Sierra Nevada range and the Cascade Mountains of Oregon and Washington are endangered. Out east, skiers in Pennsylvania and West Virginia could find themselves without snow.
The study will certainly give the ski areas reason for concern and global warming advocates something to crow about. Of course this does come on the heels of the report that Colorado’s current snowpack is at 116% of normal and many areas in the high country are reporting record levels of snowfall.
No. People are NOT "coming back" into the Bend market. This guy acts like there's this pool of speculators riding this thing out in tents off China Hat Rd.
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Given that BEND is recognized as ground-zero STUPID in the RE boom.
Why in the FUCK would anyone want to come here for any bargain??
The BULL seems to think that a 'deal' on shit can sell shit.
Like Dunc putting out a sign that say's 90% off on comic's, trouble is I don't want know comics.
The BULL had better start figuring out reasons on why to BUY, rather than just price.
The prices aren't that low, we're only back to about 2004, and we're going down to at least 1998, and even then WHY BEND?
These people really see an endless bunch of 'bubble cycles' where it just goes on forever.
That's what the they hope. The BULL is dead, growth is DEAD. The BULL just keeps fighting reality and hoping that good shit happens.
What else can HOLLERN give them to raise CASH to sell to the CITY?? What can DIRECTOR of WEST-COMM(BULL PARENT) do to save the BULL?
WILL MOSS GIVE WEST-COMM an endless open line-of-credit?
Rich story, but this is the dumbest fucking scam on the web.
1.) the BULL hates craigslist
2.) this fucking landlord fell into rentals, he's a fucking bend idiot, so typical
3.) even the moron @west-union told idiot, he was idiot, pls no fucking sympathy for BEND STUPID
Slick Web scammer leaves Bend man out of $3,600
By Zack Hall / The Bulletin
Published: January 08. 2009 4:00AM PST
Tips on avoiding Craigslist scams
• Deal locally with people you can meet in person.
• Never wire funds via Western Union or any other wire service.
• Fake cashier checks and money orders are common, and banks will cash them and then hold you responsible.
• Never give out financial information.
• Avoid deals involving shipping or escrow services and know that only a scammer will “guarantee” your transaction.
For more on common scams, visit www.craigslist.org/about/scams.
Ed Harman is a trusting person by nature.
So when a person claiming through e-mail to be a doctor in England said he was moving to the United States and wanted to rent Harman’s southeast Bend townhome that Harman had placed on Craigslist, the 65-year-old longtime Bend resident believed him.
It was a mistake that cost Harman nearly $4,000.
“I thought I had lucked out when a doctor wanted to rent the townhouse,” said Harman. “With 250 to 300 rentals on Craigslist, I thought that I better not let this guy go.”
Harman says that he does not want somebody to fall for the same tricks he did, so he shared his story.
The scammer was slick.
Everything looked legitimate to Harman. To prove his identity, the scammer replied to Harman’s rental advertisement on Craigslist.org, the classified ad Web site, using an e-mail address containing a name that matched the name of a real doctor on a Web page that was linked to the e-mail.
Harman even spoke to the scammer by phone, but much of the conversation was inaudible to Harman.
“It looked pretty legit to me,” Harman said. “He was going to pay me first and last (month’s rent), a big deposit, and the whole nine yards.”
But it was all part of the scam.
The scammer sent a check for $4,000 to Harman, and asked that Harman wire cash to a real Idaho furniture store so the “doctor” could furnish the apartment.
Harman received and deposited the check and swiftly wired $3,600 in cash via Western Union to the Idaho furniture store. The Bend Fred Meyer clerk who handled the wire transaction even warned Harman, but he would not listen.
After Harman wired the money, he even received a phony receipt from what he thought was the furniture store. Of course, the real furniture store never received the money and confirmed there was never any furniture order.
Two or three days after it was deposited, Harman’s bank informed him that the original $4,000 check was counterfeit, he said.
“I fell for it hook, line and sinker,” Harman says. “Being trustful, I didn’t read the warning (on Craigslist). And one of the warnings said that if they ask you to wire money through Western Union or another wire service, it’s a scam. If I would have read that, I would have been a little more aware of what was going on.”
The scammer explained through e-mail to Harman that his bank account had been frozen because somebody had been trying to hack into it.
But the scammer told Harman that he wanted to send another check and also wanted Harman to make another “furniture purchase.” This time Harman knew something was up and said he would only do it once the new check cleared.
The scammer never replied again.
“It’s kind of stupid, you know,” Harman reflects. “I’m old enough to not fall for something like this.”
The scam that Harman fell victim to is a twist on an old scam. The state of Oregon’s Department of Justice warns on its Web page, www.doj .state.or.us/finfraud/nigerian.shtml, of a similar check overpayment scheme.
In that scheme, a scammer offers to buy an item, sends a fraudulent check for more money than was agreed to, and asks the seller to wire the difference.
By the time the seller discovers the original check was counterfeit, the cash is gone.
Tony Green, a spokesman for the Oregon Attorney General’s Office, says scams such as these are all too common.
“There are a lot of scams out there, and the Internet makes it a lot easier to sort of perpetrate those scams,” Green says. “A lot of offers look tempting and easy, and (look like) there is nothing wrong with them. And pretty soon, you find yourself getting scammed. If it looks like you are getting something for nothing, you probably aren’t.”
As a retiree, Harman lives on a fixed income.
And because of the scam, he thinks he will be unable to afford to travel to Florida in April for his daughter’s wedding.
But Harman did not share his story for sympathy.
In fact, he says he’s embarrassed that the scammer got the best of him.
Says Harman: “I thought that if we can keep it from happening to some other unsuspecting landlord, (I would tell my story).”
Zack Hall can be reached at 541-617-7868 or at zhall@bendbulletin.com.
Yeah, that's the problem. These people just can't conceive that the reason these houses aren't selling is because not enough people want them.
People wanted them when they thought the houses went up 20% a year. Nobody's going to think that again in our lifetimes.
Retirements have just been put on hold for 5 years, if not 10. And lots of boomers may now never be able to retire.
People can't even afford to sell the houses they own to move to Bend.
And half these dumb asses may not even believe what they are saying. They're trying to sell something.
But the scammer told Harman that he wanted to send another check and also wanted Harman to make another “furniture purchase.” This time Harman knew something was up and said he would only do it once the new check cleared.
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I love this they had a real BEND SERIAL SUCKER. "HOLY SHIT HOW DID HE KNOW SOMETHING WAS UP?? LOSING $3600???"
I TELL YOU ALL THIS SHIT IS NIGERIANS IN THE UK, AND THE WORD IS OUT 'BEND' LAND OF THE FUCKING IDIOT RETIREES.
Anybody here who sells shit on craigs or ebay, or list rentals knows you get a ton of this "I'm a brain sturgeon in UK", ... sometimes play along and tell them I have sent them WEST-UNION, you can get valid serial numbers of check on the net, and really play them for a ride, its actually quite fun, I tell them I'll send them the western-union before I even get the check.
Their must a fucking TON of sweat-shops in NIGERIA or maybe london doing this, if you ever respond, they always come back instantly 24/7. I have never talked to them, but I love fucking with them.
I only rent to locals in the first place, so when I get the email from a doctor in Siberia ... It's amazing how fucking hard-up these NEW bend landlords are.
Like HOMER say's just drop the price. The scam works cuz doctor always offer's to pay 2X prevailing, and its always fucking MORON that fall's.
Provide the best rental with the cheapest price and it will rent, they ONLY people who pay 2X or more are meth cooks or scammers.
Who would have guessed?
They're trying to sell something.
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Everyone in BEND is trying to sell something, them self(job), their daughter/wife(HO), ... BEND is the perfect land for crooks, cuz people in BEND look for an easy grift, so if they're the least bit tempted by a 'deal' ...
I really like the Dr. Brain-Sturgeon scam today in the BULL, I mean the SUCKER wanted to believe, he wanted to BELIEVE that a doctor from ENGLAND was going to rent his fucking empty std 2nd flipper for 2X.
Folks a ton of people in BEND will continue to fall for this shit, cuz its the only fucking inquiry's they're getting.
They all want to RENT FLIPPER-BITCH for over $2k/mo cuz, they're payments with zero-down, and heloc, are over $2k. Trouble is a home in BEND should rent for around $1k/mo. Thus these IDIOTS as landlords will continue to 'wire' good money to NIGERIA!!!!!
Is there an end? NO
Not until all these homes are foreclosed, and professionally managed, until then BEND will be a sucker play for years to come.
WHY the fuck not? The BULL runs a CON, BEND is a RE-PONZI, this town is FULL of suckers, say 90% are kool-aide hall of fame drinkers. So every fucking con-artist in NIGERIA reads this shit, and knows english, and they also know that retirees have the fucking money. They also tend not to complain when they get fucked, and are embarrassed.
Today we see the BULL print an article about how somebody got ripped off for $3600 by con-artists.
How about a story about how ten's of thousands of little-people got ripped off for BILLION's of dollars by Bend BoSS-Hoggs that run the BULL???
People wanted them when they thought the houses went up 20% a year. Nobody's going to think that again in our lifetimes.
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There are two Bend's, the one in COVA, about dogs running, and 300+ days of sun.
Then there is the real fucking BEND, the one the REHO's sold about BEND always going up 25%/yr.
The first brings them here, but the second initiates the greed gland, and they signed.
Now its over, the first is BULL, and the second is -20$/yr LOSS, now its FUCKING RUN FROM BEND.
All the while BEND burns the BULL says "LOOK AT THE LOW PRICES".
SO FUCKING WHAT.
PRICES ARE LOW SOUTH of BURNS, SO FUCKING WHAT.
WERE IN A DEPRESSION PEOPLE BUY WHAT THEY NEED.
HOLLERN&CO own the BULL, and MOSS run's it.
TODAY they got one fucking PROBLEM.
10-20K rotting STD flipper's.
SELL THAT SHIT
THE BULL HAS ONE FUCKING GOAL, SELL THE FUCKING SHIT
ALL BUBBLE's in the past 500 years were engineered by print-media, can the BULL restart the a BUBBLE in a depression?? Only time will tell.
>>Folks a ton of people in BEND will continue to fall for this shit, cuz its the only fucking inquiry's they're getting.
The very fact that this guy is so desperate for a renter speaks volumes about Bend's real estate situation.
Note that all these articles that TRY to be about real estate are bullshit. You get some nasty-ass statistic that shows how bad things are along with quotes from three people that tell why it's going to get better soon.
Any story that's about Real Estate can be ignored.
Look for the real news in stories like this.
And the real news is landlords are having a hell of a time getting a decent renter.
And that means it's not just landlords of these monstrosities that are in trouble, sellers are too. It's not a temporary trouble. It's the end for these sellers who paid too much. They are dead men walking.
NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS ...
The BULL MUST put a happy-face on all, cuz happy is what sells.
The BULL sells advertising to people like Dunc, and if its doom&gloom, people don't go out and shop.
So everyday there must be sunshine, and everyday there must be HOPE & BULLSHIT.
Sadly, this is why a 'newspaper' is no longer the NEWS, The paper is owned by a party that fits the needs of advertisers that need a gullible citizenry to buy their SHIT. A never ending cycle, but never any 'NEWS'.
Happy people in the USA go shopping, miserable destitute & fearful people lock-up at home and feel sorry for themselves.
Thus the BULL has a hell of a job pleasing their advertisers.
As the shit rises in Bend from the ankles to the waste to the neck, ... many things will give. The BULL will get smaller & smaller.
Yes, its a horrible situation, but all but too fucking predictable in a little desert gold-rush post extraction town that SOLD itself as a retirement mecca, but sadly over-sold itself, and now it will appropriately fall below sill-plate.
I don't feel sorry for the BULL, cuz they do what they have to do, and they're doing it.
I feel sorry for CACB, cuz at this point they can do nothing, other than BEG for bailouts.
If the BULL gets small enough and mean enough and lean enough they'll survive, for no other reason than PAWN-SHOPS & REPO OUTFITS advertise. There is always somebody making money in any economy.
To be a BANKER today in BEND, would suck big time. Sort of like being a realtor or a mtg broker. 2000X de-leveraging has started.
>>Folks a ton of people in BEND will continue to fall for this shit, cuz its the only fucking inquiry's they're getting.
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Apu,
Even in good times 90% of ALL fucking craigs respondents to ad's are scammers, my numbers are 1% are prospective to even show.
Now in these times the numbers have gone to 99% scammers, I think these people who want out, have to believe that the 'magic negro from Nigeria', and I hate to say it but this doctor scam from LONDON is always 100% Nigerian, they have been running this "I'll send you a cashier's and over-pay if you wire money", they have been doing this for 30+ years, shit the day faxes came out I started getting that letter.
I have a lot of friends in this situation, they took out HELOC, and have payments above their un-employment and can't make the payment. Thus they try to rent the home, so they can go live in a 'better job market', ... That's the theory.
But they all do one fucking thing. They try to rent the home for their payments!!!!!!!!!!
See as a landlord I have told you fucking KUNTS a 1,000 times that the rent pays the MTG on 15yr-fixed, but these zero-down, 100% loan ARM people are looking at over $2k mtg on todays $250k Bend median ( was $500k ), ... they don't want to lose the fucking house/condo, so they rent it, ...
But they want to rent for their COST, and that isn't going to happen, cuz there are tons of people who can rent the same STD for $1k/mo,
So in the end there will be tons more repo's and walk-aways, and tons more scammers.
But people don't want to lose their home!!!!!!!! I find this strange, cuz in REALITY they already lost the home, most of these people took out HELOC over the past ten years for WINE&DINE, the money is gone, but they enjoyed the equity, they don't OWN the HOUSE, they HAVE NO FUCKING EQUITY.
They really fucking think they can "RENT" the house and weather the storm. Trouble is they have no cash for maintenance, and not a clue about managing a rental, or SCREENING a fucking applicant.
I think there is a TON of fucking BEND DARK MATTER that falls into the above scenario, and the BULL is just making me write about it.
It's the people who know if they 'lose' this house, they'll never 'own' a home again in their life.
GUESS WHAT FUCKING KUNTS when you bought zero down, and milked the equity via HELOC all the way UP, you never owned the home in the first place, RUN don't WALK.
If these people hadn't taken out 2nd's and 3rd's, then they could have REFI'd, and dropped the payment to a low level so that rent income matches payment and things would pencil, but that would be USING YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.
REMEMBER BEND HOUSING only existed as a HELOC check-book so sadly, but my definition very few people can REFI and drop their payments to charge an AFFORDABLE rent.
" don't feel sorry for the BULL, cuz they do what they have to do, and they're doing it."
Who subscribes to newspapers? Older retirees.
Who under 50 years old subscribes to a newspaper anymore?
If your audience is older retirees, you're not going to listen to the critics on this blog, you're going to think about what older retirees (your subscribers) want to hear.
Most of the older retirees are glad to read about bad news in the newspaper, but only if it's happening far away - like in another state or country
"Oh, those poor people". "Did you read about the flooding in XYZ...?"
When the news is about bad stuff happening to YOU, who wants to read it?
You want to be told that you made a good decision for buying here.
NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS ... The BULL MUST put a happy-face on all, cuz happy is what sells.
Yep.
But that's not unique to The Bull or to Bend -- the whole country got drunk on "positiveness." Nobody wanted to hear any bad news or warnings of trouble to come, and anybody who sounded such warnings was derided and despised as a "gloom-and-doomer."
Trillion-dollar deficit? Nothing to worry about. Trade imbalance? No problem -- we're getting all these neat toys from China and paying for them with pieces of paper. Widening income and wealth gap? What are you, a damn SOCIALIST! Another depression? Nah, can't happen!
Well, now the vultures are all coming home to roost.
Being optimistic is fine, but being so optimistic that you're blind to reality is lethal.
Thank you're having trouble selling/renting your house? Well, you're still probably better off than this guy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/us/08atlanta.html
Most of the older retirees are glad to read about bad news in the newspaper, but only if it's happening far away - like in another state or country
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Like the Madras couple the other day that blew their brains out in our back-yard??
I notice not a peep from the KUNTS here.
Bend is ground zero for self delusion and mass hysteria.
Probably true that +50 pay for a BULL delivery, but shit they charge to view online.
I pay for WSJ & UK-FT, but there is a wealth of knowledge in there!
The BULL is BULLSHIT.
Retirees don't fucking BUY shit, don't think for a moment the HAPPY-BULL is targeting dead people in retirement homes.
The BULL is targeting those that spend money, aka WALMART SOCKER MOM's, sadly a dying breed in Bend.
Sure we got our retiree's but their infamous for not spending.
Advertisers want a DEMOGRAPHY.
The BULL DON'T make its money selling paper to home delivery's, and never did, most papers don't cover printing costs on subscriptions.
Advertising is what pays the BILL's and ad's are targeted to SPENDERS, BORROWERS, HELOC/CREDIT CARD HABITUAL LOSERS, ... they NOT be the retired, they be the 20-50 yr old walking dead of Bend.
got some spam from BOTC...looks like they are trying to drum up new accounts.
TRANS CONTINENTAL IMPORT/EXPORT CORPORATION.
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We currently run our business from Asia and Europe but I will be communicating with you from our United Kingdom Office where I am currently located for now.We are searching for representatives who can help us establish a medium of getting to our customers in Canada, America and Europe as well as making payments through you to us.Please if you are interested in transacting business with us we will be most glad to be your partners.
Note that, as our representative, you will receive 10% of whatever amount you clear for the company and the balance you will be instructed on proceedings to come.We look forward to expanding worldwide before the year
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Please, to facilitate the conclusion of this transaction if accepted,do send promptly via email the basic requirements provided underneath to commence registration processes:
(1) Your full names,
(2) Contact address and,
(3) Phone/fax numbers.
FOR SAFETY AND CONFIDENTIAL REASONS PLEASE SEND YOUR RESPONSE TO ONLY MY DIRECT AND CONFIDENTIAL EMAIL
ADDRESS AT:david_transcorporation@hotmail.com
Sincerely.
SIR DAVID FISHER
(Foreign Transaction Officer)
Trans-continental Import / Export Co.
Freight Fwdg. Svcs.
Due to the numerous illegal and fake articles circulating the internet of late, it is important that We state and clarify that this proposal is 100% authentic. It is important that you read this proposal carefully, for a better understanding.
Please stand informed that this business proposal remains genuine, and we maintain that this is no scam or anyway related.
>> TRANS CONTINENTAL IMPORT/EXPORT CORPORATION
Maybe this is something that Bend Work-from-homers can do. Looks legit (not).
Oh-oh, the second shoe may be dropping.
NODS
1/1/08-1/8/08 23
1/1/09-1/8/09 69 and we've got two hours left.
That almost triple the rate early last year. Not good.
Dumb question:
What's the diff b/t:
(1) "Notice of Default & Election to Sell"
(2) "Request for Notice to Default"
I assume (1) is worse, but . . . what exactly is this?
The Bull is running some scam where you can sponsor a school for free papers for one year....$250.
He said, your $250 will provide papers for the teachers at one school for a year...we don't make any money on this.
I asked how many people can sponsor one school..."as many as we can get".
It's not like the Bull is really news anyway. I don't think my kids will suffer if their teachers can't get the latest feel good news from the Bull.
If they were reporting actual news, i'd pony up for a couple of schools but not for the Bull.
What? Are all the passes really closed?
...
The Wall Street Journal shares in our nation's concerns for the citizens of
Washington who are under a severe weather alert.
As you may be aware The Wall Street Journal is printed in Federal Way,
Washington.
Currently all four mountain passes are closed for avalanche control, and
Interstate 5 is also closed due to flooding. The road closures are
affecting our ability to get the Journal into our Eastern Washington and
Oregon Markets.
At this time it is undetermined when the Interstate and mountain passes
will re open to traffic.
It is very unlikely that you will receive your Friday January 9th issue of
the Journal. This may also affect the delivery of your Saturday edition.
While we realize that newspaper delivery may be the last thing on the minds
of those affected by the storm, we also recognize the importance of staying
connected to the news that's important to you. For that reason, we are
offering subscribers complimentary access to The Wall Street Journal Online
(WSJ.com) for the next seven days.
The flooding, the lack of a WSJ hard-copy.
DO you think anybody has anything to live for in BEND?
Just got back from downtown, went to the D&D, my god everyone I know has gotten laid off and look for a new place, they want 'ME' to help them out.
Here's the story BEND.
PLEASE READ, if you don't have a job or income there is no fucking way in hell you can get housing.
There are a ton of fucking people now looking for HOUSING that have NOT job or income, its like a fucking MAJORITY.
The shit is going to get fucking UGLY.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeze if you don't have a job, or income, pleeeeeeeeze get the fuck out of BEND now! PLEEEEEEEEEze.
>>>bruce said...
Re: Dec 08 60 sold @ $229k med
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$229K? We might be finally going off the cliff in pricing.<<<
It has ended up 69 sold at $224,500 medians.
As someone else said, that is because nothing over $500k is selling. Many of the short sales homes that were $850+ are going to the bank with $500k offers to be considered by the lender.
Personally, I don't see any fools jumping in on the high end for a long time. Although some dumbass just bought in Sunriver for 1.5ml. Must not have any patience to wait for it to come down another 30%. Fools Rush in.
(1) "Notice of Default & Election to Sell"
(2) "Request for Notice to Default"
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This shit is on google, if you bother to search for either.
This blog is for loser renters.
If you get either of the above you have 1-2 years to vacate by sheriff, if your an 'owner' you have 1-2 years to vacate by sheriff.
Why worry?
What's worse? In 1-2 years when you get the Sherrif's Court order to vacate in 72 hours, that be the one you get off your meth ass.
I'm starting to see panic @ D&D tonight Marge, you might not want to go out this weekend, as I know you don't like panic or instability, resurrection or plain ole fashion mayhem.
What I'm seeing now is tons of people who moved here in the last 2-4 doing the HOMER I want to rent thing getting their 30 day notice to vacate. I think a ton of our 'sellers' as landlords are thinking that spring is coming their 'baby' will sell better 'not' as a rental. But there is definitely a renter squeeze happening.
If you are a renter 'negotiate' with your landlord now and settle their minds.
Definitely some weird shit going on right now.
Just too many fucking people without JOBS looking for a place to live.
My GUT feeling is that is what is going on, you know your renter of 2+ years doesn't have income, so you give a DUMB fucking reason, in OREGON its called a 30 day notice 'no cause' to get them out, cuz as we ALL fucking know, if they don't have income NOW, what in the fuck are they going to use in 6-12 months to pay the rent???????????
Never been a better time to have a post-office job in BEND in 20+ years.
I seriously think all shit is now going to hit the fan here in the next 1-3 months.
It's going to get real fucking nasty.
Like I have said, if YOU Don't have a 'job' or unlimited fucking income, get the fuck out of here.
You have been warned.
$229K? We might be finally going off the cliff in pricing.<<<
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I see a lot of our 'wait & see' landlords now fucking flipping out and wanting out NOW, and giving notice to their renters, knowing that you can get a better price for a 'loved' house, than a fucking BEND RENTAL.
We'll see below $200k medians in 1-2 months.
I think we have finally hit the inflection point where even the SHIT EATING BEND 'beautiful people' are starting to become VERY AFRAID.
(1) "Notice of Default & Election to Sell"
(2) "Request for Notice to Default"
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Go and read a bunch of the documents. That will tell you a lot. Learn to figure them out---what's owed, what monthly currently is, where the property is, how to search if it's someone that has a bunch more of properties that hsve received NODs. Like Ted Himler or Vernon Palmer or Pete Wilkinson. I'm kind of wondering why I haven't seen much on the Summit crew.
This swoon is taking a lot of people down.
>>> Anonymous said...
I'm starting to see panic @ D&D tonight Marge, you might not want to go out this weekend, as I know you don't like panic or instability, resurrection or plain ole fashion mayhem.<<<<
I must have just missed you at the D, had lunch there. Then went to see Dunc for a few.
I agree the SWHTF for many in this one horse town, in the next few months. I hear lots of panic and more people wishing they had bought a little extra food, as they can't afford it now. Really sad to see it all coming to fruition.
I see a lot of our 'wait & see' landlords now fucking flipping out and wanting out NOW, and giving notice to their renters, knowing that you can get a better price for a 'loved' house, than a fucking BEND RENTAL.
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We may be in that boat in a few months. Our lease is up in June and our landlord said he might try to sell this year. All I have to say is good fucking luck selling the house. Gonna try to convice him it's the worst time to sell. We'll see.
Please FUCK-ME I'm in BEND-ORYGUN, this story about STUPID FUCKING BEND non-landlords has gone national, ...
Scam Targets Rental Property Owners
KOHD, OR - 59 minutes ago
With over a hundred rental listings on the Bend Craigslist page. In a random survey three out of five in Central Oregon said someone tried the scam on them. ...
I must have just missed you at the D, had lunch there.
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Had you stayed from lunch til 5pm, you might have seen me at the bar.
This swoon is taking a lot of people down.
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I'm seeing a ton of people who for a year have been singing the 'homer tune' "Rent & Invest the DIFF" now they're getting a 30 days notice to vacate 'no cause' ( legal in ORYGUN ).
What's up? I don't know, but I know a lot of renters are terrified, I think that the ROSE on RENTING in BEND has fell off the fucking stem.
Who would have guessed?
>>>Had you stayed from lunch til 5pm, you might have seen me at the bar.<<<<
Dang! I don't stay out til dark. Can't see well enough to drive or was that the alcohol :)
Scam Targetting DUMB FUCKING CENTRAL-ORYGONIANS GENERATING FRUIT OF THE LOOM ..
KOHD ( Heaven, OR )
1/8/2009 - Bend
by Matt McDonald
When the check arrived in an overnight Fedex envelope, Tami Ray, an employee at Deer Ridge Correctional facility, was hopeful. Finally, some extra money in a tight budget. It was a deposit from a woman who had answered Tami's Craigslist ad to rent the room her son had vacated when he left for marine boot camp.
"This check just didn't seem like it was legitimate at all," said Tami.
When Tami was asked to use part of the money to pay a moving company, she knew it was a scam.
With over a hundred rental listings on the Bend Craigslist page. In a random survey three out of five in Central Oregon said someone tried the scam on them.
Ed Harman was trying to rent this duplex in southeast Bend. He fell for the scam, costing him $3,600 dollars. The scam follows a predictable pattern. The person usually claims to be from a foreign country.
"...originally from Italy," said Ray.
"...from London," said Harman.
They send a check, like this one.
"She would send me money to have her items shipped here," said Ray.
"What he sent to me was a check for $4,000," said Harman.
Then they ask you to pay someone else on their behalf.
"...could I pay the shippers when it arrives," said Ray.
"...take $3600 in cash and send it to his furniture company," said Harman.
But the check they sent is a fake, the money order you sent is real. Ed is out $3,600 and there isn't much he can do. He's reported it to the Oregon department of Justice, but they say there is little chance he'll get his money back. Tami didn't lose any money. instead, she stopped everything with this response through email.
"I work with criminals all day long. You sound like one of them. Please don't contact me again," said Tami.
Honestly folks have fun with these people I get this shit everyday.
On the net you can get a sample Western Union check, note the sample check number of a typical wire, the format is critical.
Then when one of the morons contacts say ..
"I trust you don't bother with the cashiers check, just tell me where to wire the money", and then ask for their account and amount, and then about an hour later they'll ask you for the wire # give, them the number you found on the net.
I had a guy in east LA, as the wire was going to a 7-11 in east-la that had a western-union, so they went to get their money, and it wasn't there, I had them running around for weeks, it was a blast, I do this every time I get a solicitation now, too much fun not to pass up. Worthwhile just to run a fictitious as on craigs just for the fun.
"FOR RENT HOBBIT EXCLUSIVE 'The Shire' Bend, OR 1 bed, 6 bth house, excellent for medical lifestyle, $5,000/mo, all utility & internet porn included"
Just run that ad, and in one hour you'll have 100's of offers for them to send you a 'cashiers check' YEH, bring them ON, and you can use them for kindlin ( fire starter ).
So much fun, then they contact you for their 'wire' you tell them you wired say $100k, and you give them the western-union number you found on the net, make sure you give them a real number from an online sample. You'll keep the buggers going crazy for weeks.
Too much fun, if your STUCK in BEND ORYGUN.
On a sad note, craigs is wonderful service, and wonderful way to have a 22 yr old deliver her 'erotic services' to the home of an 80 yr old on demand, for less than $100/hr.
Sad to see the government so actively involved in DEMONIZING craigs on behalf of the BULL, who craigs is fucking killing.
Lastly, mentioning craigs, but HONESTLY EBAY is 1000X worse when come to SPAM, EBAY is 99.9999$% SCAM if your trying to sell something, the same thing a zillion nigerian doctors trying to buy your dirt-bike or welder, ....
>> I had a guy in east LA, as the wire was going to a 7-11 in east-la that had a western-union, so they went to get their money, and it wasn't there, I had them running around for weeks, it was a blast, I do this every time I get a solicitation now, too much fun not to pass up. Worthwhile just to run a fictitious as on craigs just for the fun.
>> "FOR RENT HOBBIT EXCLUSIVE 'The Shire' Bend, OR 1 bed, 6 bth house, excellent for medical lifestyle, $5,000/mo, all utility & internet porn included"
ROFLMAO!!! I say "post of the year" so far (it has only been 8 days right?). Good shit Buster.
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Lastly, mentioning craigs, but HONESTLY EBAY is 1000X worse when come to SPAM, EBAY is 99.9999$% SCAM if your trying to sell something, the same thing a zillion nigerian doctors trying to buy your dirt-bike or welder, ....
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Buster, another post showing how fucking stupid you truly are. Of course, if you thinks it's funny to waste your time fucking with check scammers...
EBay has a rating system that actually pretty much works. We have sold on EBay for about seven years now and have had about three scammers approach us.
Craigslist is a free-for-all. We've been regularly getting $3000 checks and breathless emails about how we have to deposit them IMMEDIATELY and WIRE THE MONEY. This after only a few months of testing craigslist. They always come FedEx First Overnight. Talk about fucking desparate.
Those fake checks go in the circular file. It's a waste of time to actually bother with fucking with them. At least to me.
Of course, if you really get a kick out if it, I can pass them on to you. The last two came from SFO--pretty close.
BP,
pls keep the love moving, ...
I get way more scam on ebay, sorry big fellow,
What's funny is on craigs its always nigerian doc's from london, sorry bp, it doesn't take much time, and I enjoy fucking with them as much as you, I think your jealous, aren't you BP, god as my witness, I only fuck with you really BP.
On ebay its truly pathetic to sell something for $500, and get 100's of scammers all trying to send checks, on craigs on might get 1/2 dozen on each ad, and they're always first to come in.
The REAL FUCKING SCAMMER's are the local bend people themselves, trying to find a fucking landlord that doesn't mean what they say about references, a JOB, and history, ... right now I'm seeing tons of PROFESSIONAL couples you don't have a job, and have been here for years and they always got some crazy reason why they have to find a new place, and why they're professionals, but don't have a job in their field, too me these are the real scammers,
Let's all fucking admit, that somebody that accepts a check from a nigerian and cashes it and wires back good money deserves to get bend fucked.
I don't have many checks BP, sounds like you have more, but what I do have is lots of fun telling these scam folks that I have wired their money, I just love doing that, its sort of like fucking you in the ass and telling you I didn't cum in your ass, I mean I have done it a million times, but every time seems like anew.
RE: Let's all fucking admit, that somebody that accepts a check from a nigerian and cashes it and wires back good money deserves to get bend fucked.
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Amen to that. Nigerian or anyone who send a multi-thousand check and insists you have to deposit and WIRE MONEY RIGHT NOW.
Desparation creates great hopes, which are almost always dashed.
A "Request for notice of default" does not actually mean that anything has happened. It just means that some 2nd or 3rd affected party is suspicious you're eventually going to get behind on payments, and so just wants to be notified IN CASE you DO go into default . . . .
www.homesurfer.com
Request for notice of default:
A recorded document in which an interested party, such as a lender (especially second trust deed holders) or a beneficiary under a trust, asks to receive written notification in the event that the property is subject to foreclosure by some other party, such as the first trust deed holder, a Homeowners' Association, or a taxing agency.
It is designed to protect the party recording the document by giving them timely notice of the risk to their interest.
There are several parties entitled to receive a copy of the Notice of Default.
ABC Co. will mail a copy of the notice within ten days after recording to the record owners and all persons who have recorded a "Request for Notice".
Further, ABC Co. will send notice to other parties having an interest in the property within thirty days as required by law.
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So it looks like "Request for notice of default" means that nothing has actually happened.
Strange that we don't get much crap off Ebay. Had an Indonesian once, and somebody from Mexico, but that's about it. The ranking system works good, in conjunction with Paypal. Unfortunately they've jacked the fees to 5-6% combined, which is a hit on your margins.
The only scam I have seen on ebay is to have been contacted after an auction that I did not win. "Hello, I have the same item and I will sell it to you for half the price of that auction you just missed out on". Send me a check sucka....
I use craigs all the time and I get contacted all the time but some scammer. They prey on greed...I'll gladly send you 2x's what you are asking as long as you ship the item today.
Just don't be stupid...stupid! Craigslist is great, just use your head.
Federal investigators looking at Bend investment firm
by Jeff Manning, The Oregonian
Thursday January 08, 2009, 4:24 PM
To the surprise of nobody, federal criminal investigators are looking into the sudden collapse of Summit 1031 Exchange.
Ron Hoevet, a Portland criminal defense attorney, said in U.S. Bankruptcy Court hearing Thursday that Summit has been served with a federal Grand Jury subpoena. The FBI wants to interview certain company employees and also requested access to the company's records, Hoevet said.
The Bend company held more than $27 million in trust for clients while they completed 1031 real estate exchanges. That the case would go criminal seemed likely ever since Summit acknowledged that it has only about $13 million on hand of the $27 million it owes to clients.
Summit filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy in late December.
So-called 1031 tax-free real estate exchanges, named after a section of the IRS tax code, are a highly popular tax strategy that allows investors to sell real estate and defer the capital gains taxes as long as they use the sales proceeds to buy other qualifying real estate.
Summit held clients' money while they arranged the next transaction. Summit's four principals - Mark Neuman, Brian Stevens, Lane Lyons and Tim Larkin - have admitted that they did not invest all their clients' money in short-term, liquid securities as promised. Instead, they put millions of dollars went into various real estate deals.
"I suspect these individuals will face their own criminal issues," U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Randall Dunn said Thursday.
Several Summit clients objected to the company's request that it hire Hoevet to deal with the criminal investigation. They argue that the $35,000 Summit proposes to pay Hoevet is coming out of their pockets.
"They seem to have misappropriated our money," said Roland Andrews, of Montana. "And now they are asking us for more money for lawyers."
Susan Ford, a Portland bankruptcy attorney representing Summit, insisted that no client money would go to Hoevet. She predicted that not hiring Hoevet could end up costing clients more in the long term if, as a result of his absence, the federal investigation impedes the company's ability to finalize 1031 real estate exchanges.
Judge Dunn ultimately gave Summit permission to hire Hoevet. But he said clients will be given the opportunity to trace their money through the Summit organization. If it turns out that any of Summit law firms received client trust money, the firms would have to return it.
Judge Dunn ultimately gave Summit permission to hire Hoevet. But he said clients will be given the opportunity to trace their money through the Summit organization. If it turns out that any of Summit law firms received client trust money, the firms would have to return it.
Geez, what a fucking surprise.
Judge allows Judicial System to fuck over people harder than ever.
And I like the whole "You can later TRACE the money to GET IT BACK FROM A LAWYER". Uh huh. That means EVEN MORE LEGAL FEES. Believe me, those people will never TRACE shit, unless it rewards some other LAWYER 10:1 vs the money they are tracing.
These people are about to get FUCKED in the biggest racket ever foisted on a population: THE US JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
To the surprise of nobody, federal criminal investigators are looking into the sudden collapse of Summit 1031 Exchange.
Rest assured this IS a surprise to John Costa at The Bulletin. That Pollyanna Bitch. Summit was "just part of the way Bend does business", according to The Bull.
If it turns out that any of Summit law firms received client trust money, the firms would have to return it.
OF COURSE theey're receiving client funds! They're $14 mill SHORT, they're BANKRUPT. Every fucking cent that's even left IS CLIENT FUNDS!
Kiss your fucking money GOODBYE Summit VICTIMS. It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT that the Judicial System keep it's own wheels greased than extract any sort of justice for you.
US JUDICIAL SYSTEM is NOT about JUSTICE. It's practically KIN with SUMMIT 1031 OPERATING PRACTICES: Both organizations are built to FUCK OVER THE POPULATION MONITARILY. THAT'S ALL.
US Judicial System will actually SYMPATHIZE with these SUMMIT fuckers. It's people like them that keep the whole Lawyer racket alive.
We knew from PSU and schoolkid increase that we were still getting population through the summer.
Well guess what, we've lost 100 kids in Bend-LaPine since October. Yeah, people are leaving Central Oregon so fast now they can't even wait for the school year to finish.
This is the beginning of the exit, and may reflect the panic everyone's talking about now.
I'm still hearing "people want to live in Bend."
I think that's bullshit. SOME people want to live in Bend. 99% of Americans want to watch TV, not bike or kayak.
Mostly, people want to live where it's warm. That's why there are like 400 million people in Mexico City and about 122 thousand in Toronto. Yes, Toronto is clean, but you don't see Mexico City emptying out so all those Mexicans can move to Toronto, do you?
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Bend. I personally quite like it. But I'm not going to do that Realtor bullshit crap of saying that everyone wants to live here, just because I like it. Frankly, I think it sucks for older people--especially the more frail of the retirees.
Precious few people in the world REALLY want to be here (rather than some place like New York or Chicago or Phoenix or Tucson), and a lot of them were here for the gold rush, not the terrain.
So shut up with the stupid "People want to live here" bullshit. Right now we have more people wanting to get out of here than come here. There are hardly any decent jobs. People are thrilled when they get a $30k job here, when they could get $60k in Raleigh or Charlotte North Carolina.
Remember how many people lost their jobs in 1940? Yeah, me neither--my parents were babies.
Worst year of losses since 1940s puts unemployment rate at 7.2%
Well guess what, we've lost 100 kids in Bend-LaPine since October
Yup, I am seeing the same. U-Haul one day, "For Sale" sign the next. All over town.
Re: Oh-oh, the second shoe may be dropping.
NODS
1/1/08-1/8/08 23
1/1/09-1/8/09 69 and we've got two hours left.
That almost triple the rate early last year. Not good.
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Actually, its more like the wheels are falling off:
NODS
1/1/08-1/8/08 23
1/1/09-1/8/09 80
The Bulletin, desperately & futilely trying to keep a Post-Bubble consumerist nightmare alive:
Deals on wheels
A struggling auto industry has rolled out some of the biggest incentives local dealers can recall
“I think we have probably had the deepest, richest incentives since I have been here, the last two months of 2008,” says Jack Holt, owner of Bend’s Murray & Holt Motors, which sells Pontiac, Buick and GMC vehicles. “I just don’t know how they are going to get any better than that. What we have now is extremely good, and it is also very strong on 2009s. The 2008s are just about gone.”
Many incentives are tailored to the troubles of the overall economy to help build consumer confidence.
One of the more innovative programs is from Hyundai Motor America. The South Korea-based automaker launched a program this week that allows qualified buyers, through a third-party insurance company, to return their cars if they lose their job within a year of the purchase — with no harm to their credit.
...buyers who are upside-down with a trade-in will have an extremely difficult time securing a new-car loan.
That’s where Chrysler’s latest incentive, as well as other manufacturers’, comes in.
Chrysler is offering as much as $5,000 in rebates, $2,000 more if a buyer already owns a Chrysler, and another $1,000 for buyers who are members of a credit union.
“Unfortunately, in this time, there are some folks out there with some negative equity,” says Jon Spencer, general manager at Thomas Sales and Service, which sells Chryslers, Suburus and Dodges. “And that really helps offset the value of their trade-in when they are looking at getting a new vehicle.”
But if potential buyers have good credit and low debt, particularly from credit cards, they will find relatively low interest rates.
For those people, now is a good time to buy a new car if they are in the market to buy one, says Dan Horton, president and general manager of Carrera Motors of Bend, which sells Audis, Porsches, BMWs and Volkswagens. Carrera is offering a wide range of incentives, even on its more expensive brands, he said.
So will potential car buyers bite?
“I’ve seen it happen with, going back to the employee pricing scenario (with General Motors) and Honda and some of their scenarios, have it just hit … at the right moment, and boom, you’re out of that product,” Klouda says. “That’s when you know it is working.”
Re: ...Summit has been served with a federal Grand Jury subpoena. The FBI wants to interview certain company employees and also requested access to the company's records, Hoevet said.
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This just got way more serious for them. The Feds? Better sell something to lawyer up. Or try like hell to get your hands on more of your clients exchange funds...
Costa, just skip the BULLSHIT and run this:
"BUY A CAR YOU CHEAP FUCKERS! BUY A CAR NOW! FUCK, BUT ANYTHING! BUY A HOUSE. OR TWO! JUST BUY SOMETHING! THESE FUCKERS ARE OUR ADVERTISING LIFEBLOOD!"
NODS
1/1/08-1/8/08 23
1/1/09-1/8/09 80
Fuck me!
That's like 3-4 little STD neighborhoods a week going down.
Last night at the filming of the public access cable show about the economy, some lady (I think a Realtor) said the problem is the press. She's decided "not to participate in the recession."
It's all in our minds, see. The press wants us to be miserable.
The Wall Street Journal
Jan. 9, 2009
Nonfarm payrolls tumbled 524,000 in December, the 12th straight decline, following a revised drop of 584,000 in November. For all of 2008, the economy lost 2.6 million jobs, the most since the end of World War II. The unemployment rate jumped to 7.2%, the highest since January 1993.
Last night at the filming of the public access cable show about the economy, some lady (I think a Realtor) said the problem is the press.
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That is essentially true, certain KUNTS here deny it, but it is established history, there was never a fucking bubble in world history until the invention of the printing press.
The press blew up the bubble, no fucking doubt, thus why shouldn't the press be able to continue a bubble ad-infinitum?
Well for the same reason that perpetual-motion machines really don't exist, in the case of bubbles you run out of suckers.
The ONLY possible way for the PRESS to continue the bubble, would be to advocate legislation to force all those who didn't play in Round-1 to play in Round-2, but still eventually you run out of suckers in every bubble, and then prices collapse.
Poor fucking realtor.
The good news is there is always another town that is enjoying a new bubble, given that Bend was BEND#1 its a good bet, we'll be FUCK#1, so get the fuck out.
Business Week has a good story today about the highest-medians in the country, and what is HOT, and its NOT fucking BEND.
BEND is over-valued, even NOW, all the BULL at the BULL can't fix Bend.
Just a simple fact, just like the BULL can't invalidate thermodynamic laws ( perpetual motion obstacle ).
Re: She's decided "not to participate in the recession."
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That's rich. Must be what all those folks in the UHauls are doing, too.
US Judicial System will actually SYMPATHIZE with these SUMMIT fuckers. It's people like them that keep the whole Lawyer racket alive.
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Yeh, lets see a few months ago a certain Jew boy in Bend takes out $10M from Inland on a personal loan, the collateral worthless Bend land.
Then a big fucking chunk of this loan money from client funds is passed to BK law firms all over ORYGUN.
Prove the money is tainted??
Can't be done!!
The lawyers don't work for free, the person who files a CH-11 BK isn't going to get a contingency law-firm, hell no cash up front.
We know that a certain PDX law-firm got $250k cash up front months ago to file the CH-11 just for S-1031, but there are dozens of LLC's to protect, and dozens of principals to protect,
We know that much of that $10M from a few months ago got put in 'power of attorney trusts' all of the State, and just sitting there as a 'get out of jail free card'.
This is how the system works. This is why bank robbers for $400 get 20 yrs, and $10M white-collar robbery's get zero-time.
If the 'system' were to shut down stolen money to feed the legal system, the system would grind to a halt.
Like all over the USA, in all these cases like MADE-OFF, client funds are used to protect the PERP.
ALL JUDGES are lawyers, all lawyers want to protect THEIR SYSTEM. ALL money is essential stolen, as everything was a confidence game.
In the coming years after the fall of RE-BUBBLE lawyers will make BILLIONS, and its all going to com from stolen money.
So fucking what, the USA is a KLEPTO-CRACY, a government ran for and by common criminals, something new here?
Only are the 'edoocated' surprised.
No fucking surprise that lawyers make over $200k and that stock-brokers and investment advisors make the same kind of money, cuz its all coming from peoples retirement funds, and NOT until all the fucking money is BEND-GONE will they close the door on the chicken COOP.
The press promotes on the way up and documents on the way down. If anything, the press is still too giddy and promoting.
These people always complain about the press on the way down, when the situation is hopeless.
Lady, you want to be useful? Complain during the bubble. It's the bubble that kills people, not the bust. The worst decisions are made during the bubble. The crooks and cheaters and liars are operating at peak efficiency during the bubble.
You can't stop a bust. I don't know if you can stop a bubble or not, but if you're going to apply your efforts, at least do it then. At minimum, you'll later be seen as a prophet instead of a deluded lunatic.
What I think sometimes people forget about our legal system is a lawyer can say anything.
"My client worked for the money he is paying me"
Sure that statement is true, but the 'work' may have been theft.
A defendant or plaintiff can only talk in a court room unless asked a question and then must truthfully answer the question.
A lawyer can say any stupid fucking thing they want anytime, and most often judges allow it in their courtroom.
Often a lawyer will just say wild shit pre-trial to confuse either the public or a jury, and that's OK, cuz not a fucking thing a lawyer says has to be established truth.
Thus a lawyer can lie their fucking ass off in court and in public, and I really think most believe that they are supposed to tell the truth, at least as they know it, NOT FUCKING TRUE, a lawyer doesn't have to tell the truth, he can say anything he wants to protect his client.
Including, ...
"No client funds were used to hire lawyers", ...
The statement is meaningless coming from a lawyer because he doesn't have to prove the statement is true, the burden-of-proof is on the PLAINTIFF.
Now WRT to all these issues given that ALL the fucking money was co-mingled from day-one, its going be damn near impossible for plaintiff-X to prove that 'x' money was used to hire the defendants lawyer.
It doesn't matter ALL the LAWYERS & COURTS are like vacuum cleaners, in TIME they'll have sucked up all the money.
Eventually the insurance companys will pay out, eventually, but you'll have to hire a lawyer and give him a cut to get your insurance settlement.
The really cool thing here is a lot of the defendants are themselves lawyers, and RULE#1 of the system is lawyers take care of each other.
It's going to be VERY FUN TO WATCH THIS BEND FUCK.
. I don't know if you can stop a bubble or not, but if you're going to apply your efforts, at least do it then.
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You can't stop a bubble, I mean look at this blog, it had NO fucking cred until what 2007?? Even then 2008??
Everybody was making money in BEND on the bubble even HBM,
The beauty of a well engineered bubble is that its in EVERYONE's interest to perpetuate. EVERONE.
That's the difference between a little few month 'FAD' where dunc confuses a 'FAD' with a 'BUBBLE' bubbles go on for years, and actually collapse and re-inflate.
In the South-Sea bubble it collapsed and then came roaring back, and then eventually completely collapsed.
But the important thing is that there were NO bubbles in human history, prior to the invention o the printing-press.
Re: She's decided "not to participate in the recession."
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That's rich. Must be what all those folks in the UHauls are doing, too.
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That was my point to the REHO bitch, if you wish to NOT participate in the BEND-BUBBLE-COLLPASE, then get the fuck out of BEND today, and go some place that is BOOMING.
I predict for instance chicago will boom, the OREO will send tons of fucking money, we already know that he's going to make Chicago the credit-swap capital of the universe, and NYC is going to fucking become second fiddle.
High-End suburbs of Chicago will do quite well during the OREO years, .e.g. until he's BLAGO indicted for fraud. OREO will be the most corrupt in history, while the BUSH was the most incompetent in history.
BUSH hired idiots because they wanted GOVERNMENT TO FAIL, OREO hires the BEST to maximize the LOOT for political payback.
Big fucking difference.
BEND will be FUCKED during the OREO years, being PUG that it is.
If you don't want to be in a recession, get the fuck out of Bend.
US Judicial System will actually SYMPATHIZE with these SUMMIT fuckers. It's people like them that keep the whole Lawyer racket alive.
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Let's all remember here, if the SYSTEM didn't have S-1031 crooks then the courts would be empty, and the law-firms would have no money coming in.
The SYSTEM needs suckers, and lawyers,
ALL BUBBLES end this way, after the South-Sea bubble collapse law-suits went on for years, and years, and years, ...
Politically smart people who had enabled the bubble jumped over to the prosecution team, and kept their ass out of jail, ....
There is never anything new, well except the print-press that created the mass hysteria of get-rich quick, that is new, nothing else is new.
>>Deals on wheels
Great thing about the Bulletin today is that the front page is covered by stories that aren't directly about Bend Real Estate, but tell the Bend Real Estate story raw.
Normally we have a gain of 30 kids from summer to winter break. This time we have a LOSS of 30 kids. Holy shit! If this were a Real Estate story (directly), it would end with three Realtor anecdotes about kids they know who are going to be starting school next week.
Also this car story. It's more about houses than cars. People were rich on their houses and now their houses are breaking them. No more HELOC cars is what this is really about. Watch the dealer networks of the biggies fall apart. You know when Toyota is having trouble that Detroit is beyond hopeless.
"Endorsed by the Bend firefighters' union, her Sunrise Village home barely made it through the Awbrey Hall fire 18 years ago, and she knows the council must focus dollars back toward public safety."
Ah, TV "news." Apparently, a union is now endorsing homes.
The rich don't hang around.
One was that rich people would be the last to come to a 'failing' town, and the first to leave. - dunc
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The 'rich' in this town were mostly HELOC rich, or DEBT-RICH,
TODAY We have lost 99% of our rich, ...
Then you have the Nouveau-Riche, like Bledsoe, there are few of him here, but they put all their money into Bend, and now they're down 90%.
Will they wait it out for 10+ years then to only see the New Bend as a Junction-City or another Redmond.
The problem is even State Economist Duy says, BEND is too big to be a resort.
A real Aspen is a pocket, a sweet resort town may have seasonal of say 5k -> 50k, but with Bend carrying over 80k year-round its NOT a resort town by definition.
Bledsoe & other 'real rich' have invested in this place as the NEXT ASPEN, some CPA/LAWYERS convinced them they were buying LOW into the next opportunity.
Even when BEND comes back in say 2018, it will be MORE like REDMOND than Aspen.
Metolius will get filled in with STD's, and the entire swath of land owned by Fidelity from Shevlin Park to Sisters will be filled in with STD's.
BEND will look like southern CALI, the drive from madras to LA-Pines will be solid WALMART/KMART.
The RICH will avoid this place.
Pronghorn is dead, all desert resorts.
Black Butte & Sunriver will become little middle-class gated enclaves of what a central-OR resort should look like.
BUT MONEY?? Survivors are like DUNC small biz, drive an old car, and watch TV at home, and eat at home,
THere is NOTHING to do at night in this town.
Truly rich people like Bledsoe, will get out early, and try to make more money while they still can, and perhaps learn their lesson about getting rich quick, or being happy with the $50M they had before they came to BEND and turned it into $5M
There aren't that many REAL rich in BEND.
Everyone in BEND was rich, everyone was to buy house and get a HELOC card, and everyone would go out every night and wine&dine, and many did, from 2002->2007, but now its over, and all the downtown places will close, because spending is down 90% and will stay down that level for years to come.
Best of times?
My fondest times of Bend are the 1985-ish years and before, before the horrible parking lot traffic on I-97, having a Hardware store downtown was nice,
The horrible traffic is what I hate MOST about BEND post 1986.
Back to your 'rich' so many people I know in this town came here with $10M in stock, and bought a house for $5M that was going to be $20M by 2010, and now these homes can be sold for no price, what's worse is the other money is 1/2 gone by spending, and 1/2 gone by the collapse on Wall-ST, I'm seeing people who came with $10M in 2002, now sitting on $1M home 'maybe' and less than $1M cash left. That's a 80% loss, but nothing like Bledsoes 90% loss.
These people can never make this money back ever again?
What is the smart thing to do??
I know personally when my family 'lost it all' during the depression, and headed West with a meager million after having tons of money back east prior to the 1930's, that they came out West and bought low, and made ALL the money back by WWII.
Thus in MY humble opinion, those that can get out, and use their money where they can buy low, is the best bet. Sticking around and watching your last million become zero in a place like Bend, will only lead you to the poor house.
I'm personally am too old, and besides I live like DUNC, drive an old car, and don't go out much, and stuff is paid for, also I didn't pay the top prices in 2002, like so many people I know.
So many of these newbies here just don't understand, to me BEND area desert land was always $200/acre, that's what I could buy it for forever here, and to see it go to $2M/acre in 2004, well I knew that a lot of money would be lost. It's always this way with desert land, and swamp land.
I hate to say this, but the vast majority of people who came to Bend in the last ten years are no different than the guy in the BULL yesterday that gave the $3600 to craigs-list scammer. I really think most of the NEW money that came to BEND post 1998, was stupid GREEDY DUMB MONEY, and that kind of money never lasts.
In summary a favorite quote by Carniegie, of the steel industry, .. back around 1910 I think ...
"Making money is easy, Keeping money is hard"
It's always been this way, most fortunes are lost, very few are kept.
Can you tell me? Will there be any lard in Bend for the children in 2009?
"NO FUCKING COMMENT"
Layoffs Hit Oregon Manufacturing Sector
BY ETHAN LINDSEY
Bend, OR January 9, 2009 1:14 a.m.
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Discuss new!
Oregon is continuing to lose jobs. Freightliner is laying off 190 workers in Portland. And Cessna workers in Bend are bracing for more layoffs there. Central Oregon correspondent Ethan Lindsey reports.
The exact number of jobs lost, if any, that will be lost at the Bend Cessna plant remains unknown.
But Cessna’s president, in a memo to the company’s 12,000 employees, said major job cuts are coming.
A spokesman confirmed the company's composite plane factory in Bend could see additional layoffs.
165 of Cessna's 500 Bend workers lost their jobs late last year.
Roger Lee is the executive director of Economic Development of Central Oregon.
Roger Lee: “We’d certainly rather see no layoffs whatsoever, but its certainly better than a closure. And we’ve seen competitors across other parts of the country send everybody home. Period. That we’re continuing production of aircraft here, and so forth, I think speaks to what’s being made here is a pretty attractive product.”
When asked whether the Bend factory could be shuttered, Cessna would not comment.
But the spokesman said one thing Bend has going for it is the planes sold from here are not made anywhere else.
Anybody else see the back page of the local section yesterday?
"The Future: Peace or Chaos?
How to survive global, political, & economic upheaval of terrorism!
Hear certain answers for uncertain times from Bible Prophecy."
See more at revelation-now.com
Nice full-page full color ad. Looks like multiple nights at the Seventh Day Adventist Church Auditorium.
Think they will be praying for RE prices?
Look out below, Seattle. Thousands of great jobs to be axed soon at Boeing and Microsoft.
First there was the texas-ratio, then the bend-orygun-ratio, and now we have the St-Charles-Freeze, ...
When will it all end??
St. Charles parent freezes hiring, cuts pay
Hiring frozen, temporary workers, consultants dropped
From KTVZ.COM news sources
Cascade Healthcare Community, the parent firm of St. Charles Medical Center-Bend and Redmond, announced a series of steps Friday to cut costs by 5 percent and review available services to avoid financial distress.
Here's the company's announcement, in full:
In the midst of the national economic crisis, Cascade Healthcare Community announced Friday an an expense management plan that aims to reduce the organization's labor expenses by 5 percent. Financial challenges, many of which are outside the organization's control, are impacting CHC's ability to maintain a healthy operating margin that will allow the health care system to provide necessary services to the community.
In particular, CHC's charity care expenses, or the care hospitals provide to patients who qualify at free or reduced rates, have skyrocketed in recent months to $7 million more than anticipated for the year. In addition, CHC is paying higher than expected interest rates on its bonds due to changes in the national markets, while also experiencing a decline in patients seeking care. The financial impact resulting from this combination of factors is unprecedented in the industry and within CHC.
James A. Diegel, FACHE, president and CEO of CHC says the expense management plan will focus the organization on its core business of providing vital health care services to the people of Central Oregon now and in the future.
"Right now we see CHC as our patient and we are the caregivers who must improve its health and well-being," Diegel said. "Initially, we have to take short-term steps to stabilize the patient. Once stabilized, we'll move into long-term rehabilitation and lifestyle changes. This plan incorporates both short-term and long-term solutions with the goal of ultimately becoming a healthier organization."
Diegel said taking these cost-reduction steps is difficult, especially knowing they will impact caregivers and their families during already tough times.
Short-term steps
Targeted hiring freeze
As of January 2009, CHC will only fill vacant positions if approved by senior leadership. Any position that becomes open will be reviewed and, if necessary, will be filled internally. If filling the position internally is not possible, CHC will hire an external candidate.
Temporary employees and consultants
All temporary and consultant positions will be eliminated in January 2009 except for those approved by senior leadership.
Reduction in pay for exempt caregivers
As of Jan. 11, all exempt (mostly salaried) caregivers, including executives, will see a 5 percent reduction in their salaries.
Hospital request days
Starting in mid-January, all non-exempt (mostly hourly) caregivers will be asked to take a minimum of one day off per month. All affected caregivers will have the option to use paid time off that they accrue as a benefit of being a CHC employee. If the days are taken unpaid, this will effectively reduce CHC labor expenses by 5 percent for the non-exempt caregiver group.
Long-term steps
Service assessments
CHC will review all services in an effort to focus on core health care needs for the region. The evaluation process will take place throughout the next three months. Based on the results, some services will be reduced or potentially eliminated. Human resources will work with all caregivers affected by these reductions in an attempt to find positions within the organization that fit their skill level or that they can be trained to fill.
Position reductions
Following a review of services and patient volume levels, in areas where it is evident that volumes have greatly decreased, positions may be eliminated. In other areas where volumes fluctuate, caregivers may see a reduction in hours based on the amount of work available.
Diegel noted that other steps have already been taken to reduce costs with in the organization during the last few months. He also explained that CHC is one of many health care systems facing these tough decisions. According to the American Hospital Association, 53 percent of hospitals nationwide are considering cutting staff, 27 percent are considering cutting services and more than 50 percent are postponing or reconsidering hospital-improvement projects.
"We are taking these steps now to ensure that our hospitals are here to serve many generations of Central Oregonians to come," Diegel said. "That is our responsibility and our promise to our community."
About Cascade Healthcare Community
Cascade Healthcare Community, Inc.(CHC), headquartered in Bend, Oregon, owns and operates the St. Charles medical centers in Bend and Redmond, leases and operates Pioneer Memorial Hospital in Prineville and provides management services for Mountain View Hospital (MVH) in Madras. CHC is a private, not-for-profit Oregon corporation and is the largest employer in Central Oregon with nearly 3,000 caregivers in Bend, Redmond and Prineville. In addition, there are more than 350 active medical staff members and nearly 200 visiting medical staff members who partner with CHC to provide a wide range of care and service to our communities.
Apu,
If you read the stuff posted last week on this thread about Microsoft, they're going to have a HUGE fucking layoff,
Seattle area is going to see the biggest drop in RE prices since the 1970's after the vietnam war.
Like I said, BEND is going to be completely losing its feeder markets, remember a TON of KUNTS & retirees have second homes in BEND.
Yes, mother boeing is fucked, on the other hand there is demand and manufacturing in asia, and all boeing management has already been moved to chicago,
But microsoft, supposed huge FUCKING cuts on everything except microsoft-research.
Seventh Day Adventist Church Auditorium.
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People turn to god BP, when the money god well runs dry.
Nothing new under the sun.
People need to learn to spend their time on things other than spending money, I can't think of a better use of a soccer mom than sitting in a 7th-day-adven aka BRANCH-DAVIDIAN church and having her SUV, and spawn roasted alive by BATF under the NEW Janet RENO aka OREO DEM PARTY.
Remember the first week or month that clinton won, RENO has a 7th day adventist roast down in WACO, ...
DEJA-VU good times are here again.
Wow interesting. Bend isn't getting its share of shabby medicine, ...
http://www.freep.com/article/20090109/OPINION05/90109049/1231/OPINION/A+focused+remedy+is+best+cure+for+health+care+crisis
Lawmakers need look no farther than their own back yard to ask questions about the quality and inefficiency problems. Medicare is the largest federal health insurance program, so lawmakers should ask why an elderly person spends about 11 days in the hospital in Bend, Oregon in the last two years of life, compared to 23 in Detroit or nearly 35 in Manhattan. Or why they see doctors about 15 times in Ogden, Utah in the last six months of life compared to 42 in Detroit or 60 in Los Angeles.
Boeing: Boeing Co. plans to cut about 4,500 jobs, or 6.6 percent of its commercial-aircraft workforce, this year to reduce costs as a weakening global economy hurts demand for new planes.
The job losses will take place mainly in Washington state, Boeing’s manufacturing hub, and happen in the second quarter with 60-day notices beginning in late February, the company said in a statement today.
Microsoft: I'm hearing up to 15,000, but there's still a lot of argument out there about whether they will be huge, small, or nonexistent. Rumors keep saying a Friday this month.
Microsoft:
I'm hearing 10% of all non microsoft-research in Jan 2009, and more in February.
Eventually Boeing will not even have presence in Washington.
Microsoft will move to India, as all the productive programmers are from India.
There are more Indian PHD computer scientists in Bellvue, WA, than there are anywhere in India.
Microsoft doesn't need to be in the USA, and neither does Boeing.
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