Sunday, January 25, 2009

Then and Now

Usually on these weekly posts, I wax on about how awful it's going to get. But I read the following piece, and this week I figured I'd wax off.

Read this.

Great Depression in the United States
I. Introduction

Great Depression in the United States, worst and longest economic collapse in the history of the modern industrial world, lasting from the end of 1929 until the early 1940s. Beginning in the United States, the depression spread to most of the world’s industrial countries, which in the 20th century had become economically dependent on one another. The Great Depression saw rapid declines in the production and sale of goods and a sudden, severe rise in unemployment. Businesses and banks closed their doors, people lost their jobs, homes, and savings, and many depended on charity to survive. In 1933, at the worst point in the depression, more than 15 million Americans—one-quarter of the nation’s workforce—were unemployed.

The depression was caused by a number of serious weaknesses in the economy. Although the 1920s appeared on the surface to be a prosperous time, income was unevenly distributed. The wealthy made large profits, but more and more Americans spent more than they earned, and farmers faced low prices and heavy debt. The lingering effects of World War I (1914-1918) caused economic problems in many countries, as Europe struggled to pay war debts and reparations. These problems contributed to the crisis that began the Great Depression: the disastrous U.S. stock market crash of 1929, which ruined thousands of investors and destroyed confidence in the economy. Continuing throughout the 1930s, the depression ended in the United States only when massive spending for World War II began.

The depression produced lasting effects on the United States that are still apparent more than half a century after it ended. It led to the election of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who created the programs known as the New Deal to overcome the effects of the Great Depression. These programs expanded government intervention into new areas of social and economic concerns and created social-assistance measures on the national level. The Great Depression fundamentally changed the relationship between the government and the people, who came to expect and accept a larger federal role in their lives and the economy.

The programs of the New Deal also brought together a new, liberal political alliance in the United States. Roosevelt’s policies won the support of labor unions, blacks, people who received government relief, ethnic and religious minorities, intellectuals, and some farmers, forming a coalition that would be the backbone of the Democratic Party for decades to come.

On a personal level, the hardships suffered during the depression affected many Americans’ attitudes toward life, work, and their community. Many people who survived the depression wanted to protect themselves from ever again going hungry or lacking necessities. Some developed habits of frugality and careful saving for the rest of their lives, and many focused on accumulating material possessions to create a comfortable life, one far different from that which they experienced in the depression years.

The depression also played a major role in world events. In Germany, the economic collapse opened the way for dictator Adolf Hitler to come to power, which in turn led to World War II.

II. Causes of the Depression

It is a common misconception that the stock market crash of October 1929 was the cause of the Great Depression. The two events were closely related, but both were the results of deep problems in the modern economy that were building up through the “prosperity decade” of the 1920s.

As is typical of post-war periods, Americans in the Roaring Twenties turned inward, away from international issues and social concerns and toward greater individualism. The emphasis was on getting rich and enjoying new fads, new inventions, and new ideas. The traditional values of rural America were being challenged by the city-oriented Jazz Age, symbolized by what many considered the shocking behavior of young women who wore short skirts and makeup, smoked, and drank.

The self-centered attitudes of the 1920s seemed to fit nicely with the needs of the economy. Modern industry had the capacity to produce vast quantities of consumer goods, but this created a fundamental problem: Prosperity could continue only if demand was made to grow as rapidly as supply. Accordingly, people had to be persuaded to abandon such traditional values as saving, postponing pleasures and purchases, and buying only what they needed. “The key to economic prosperity,” a General Motors executive declared in 1929, “is the organized creation of dissatisfaction.” Advertising methods that had been developed to build support for World War I were used to persuade people to buy such relatively new products as automobiles and such completely new ones as radios and household appliances. The resulting mass consumption kept the economy going through most of the 1920s.

But there was an underlying economic problem. Income was distributed very unevenly, and the portion going to the wealthiest Americans grew larger as the decade proceeded. This was due largely to two factors: While businesses showed remarkable gains in productivity during the 1920s, workers got a relatively small share of the wealth this produced. At the same time, huge cuts were made in the top income-tax rates. Between 1923 and 1929, manufacturing output per person-hour increased by 32 percent, but workers’ wages grew by only 8 percent. Corporate profits shot up by 65 percent in the same period, and the government let the wealthy keep more of those profits. The Revenue Act of 1926 cut the taxes of those making $1 million or more by more than two-thirds.

As a result of these trends, in 1929 the top 0.1 percent of American families had a total income equal to that of the bottom 42 percent. This meant that many people who were willing to listen to the advertisers and purchase new products did not have enough money to do so. To get around this difficulty, the 1920s produced another innovation—“credit,” an attractive name for consumer debt. People were allowed to “buy now, pay later.” But this only put off the day when consumers accumulated so much debt that they could not keep buying up all the products coming off assembly lines. That day came in 1929.

American farmers—who represented one-quarter of the economy—were already in an economic depression during the 1920s, which made it difficult for them to take part in the consumer buying spree. Farmers had expanded their output during World War I, when demand for farm goods was high and production in Europe was cut sharply. But after the war, farmers found themselves competing in an over-supplied international market. Prices fell, and farmers were often unable to sell their products for a profit.

International problems also weakened the economy. After World War I the United States became the world’s chief creditor as European countries struggled to pay war debts and reparations. Many American bankers were not ready for this new role. They lent heavily and unwisely to borrowers in Europe, especially Germany, who would have difficulty repaying the loans, particularly if there was a serious economic downturn. These huge debts made the international banking structure extremely unstable by the late 1920s.

In addition, the United States maintained high tariffs on goods imported from other countries, at the same time that it was making foreign loans and trying to export products. This combination could not be sustained: If other nations could not sell their goods in the United States, they could not make enough money to buy American products or repay American loans. All major industrial countries pursued similar policies of trying to advance their own interests without regard to the international economic consequences.

The rising incomes of the wealthiest Americans fueled rapid growth in the stock market (see Stock Exchange), especially between 1927 and 1929. Soon the prices of stocks were rising far beyond the worth of the shares of the companies they represented. People were willing to pay inflated prices because they believed the stock prices would continue to rise and they could soon sell their stocks at a profit.

The widespread belief that anyone could get rich led many less affluent Americans into the market as well. Investors bought millions of shares of stock “on margin,” a risky practice similar to buying products on credit. They paid only a small part of the price and borrowed the rest, gambling that they could sell the stock at a high enough price to repay the loan and make a profit.

For a time this was true: In 1928 the price of stock in the Radio Corporation of America (RCA) multiplied by nearly five times. The Dow Jones industrial average industrial average—an index that tracks the stock prices of key industrial companies—doubled in value in less than two years. But the stock boom could not last. The great bull market of the late 1920s was a classic example of a speculative “bubble” scheme, so called because it expands until it bursts. In the fall of 1929 confidence that prices would keep rising faltered, then failed. Starting in late October the market plummeted as investors began selling stocks. On October 29, known as Black Tuesday, the worst day of the panic, stocks lost $10 billion to $15 billion in value. By mid-November almost all of the gains of the previous two years had been wiped out, with losses estimated at $30 billion.

The stock market crash announced the beginning of the Great Depression, but the deep economic problems of the 1920s had already converged a few months earlier to start the downward spiral. The credit of a large portion of the nation’s consumers had been exhausted, and they were spending much of their current income to pay for past, rather than new, purchases. Unsold inventories had begun to pile up in warehouses during the summer of 1929.

The crash affected the economy the way exposure to cold affects the human body, lowering the body’s resistance to infectious agents that are already present. The crash reduced the ability of the economy to fight off the underlying sicknesses of unevenly distributed wealth, agricultural depression, and banking problems.

III. Economic Collapse (1929-1933)

The stock market crash was just the first dramatic phase of a prolonged economic collapse. Conditions continued to worsen for the next three years, as the confident, optimistic attitudes of the 1920s gave way to a sense of defeat and despair. Stock prices continued to decline. By late 1932 they were only about 20 percent of what they had been before the crash. With little consumer demand for products, hundreds of factories and mills closed, and the output of American manufacturing plants was cut almost in half from 1929 to 1932.

Unemployment in those three years soared from 3.2 percent to 24.9 percent, leaving more than 15 million Americans out of work. Some remained unemployed for years; those who had jobs faced major wage cuts, and many people could find only part-time work. Jobless men sold apples and shined shoes to earn a little money.

Many banks had made loans to businesses and people who now could not repay them, and some banks had also lost money by investing in the stock market. When depositors hit by the depression needed to withdraw their savings, the banks often did not have the money to give them. This caused other depositors to panic and demand their cash, ruining the banks. By the winter of 1932 to 1933, the banking system reached the point of nearly complete collapse; more than 5,000 banks failed by March 1933, wiping out the savings of millions of people.

As people lost their jobs and savings, mortgages on many homes and farms were foreclosed. Homeless people built shacks out of old crates and formed shantytowns, which were called “Hoovervilles” out of bitterness toward President Herbert Hoover, who refused to provide government aid to the unemployed.

The plight of farmers, who had been in a depression since 1920, worsened. Already low prices for their goods fell by 50 percent between 1929 and 1932. While many people went hungry, surplus crops couldn’t be sold for a profit.

Natural forces inflicted another blow on farmers. Beginning in Arkansas in 1930, a severe drought spread across the Great Plains through the middle of the decade. Once-productive topsoil turned to dust that was carried away by strong winds, piling up in drifts against houses and barns. Parts of Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, and Colorado became known as the Dust Bowl, as the drought destroyed the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of small farmers. Packing up their families and meager possessions, many of these farmers migrated to California in search of work. Author John Steinbeck created an unforgettable fictional portrait of their fate in the novel The Grapes of Wrath (1939).

IV. Initial Response to the Depression

The initial government response to the Great Depression was ineffective, as President Hoover insisted that the economy was sound and that prosperity would soon return. Hoover believed the basic need was to restore public confidence so businesses would begin to invest and expand production, providing jobs and income to restore the economy to health. But business owners saw no reason to increase production while unsold goods clogged their shelves. By 1932 investment had dropped to less than 5 percent of its 1929 level.

Convinced that a balanced federal budget was essential to restoring business confidence, Hoover sought to cut government spending and raise taxes. But in the face of a collapsing economy, this served only to reduce demand further. As conditions worsened, Hoover’s administration eventually provided emergency loans to banks and industry, expanded public works, and helped states offer relief. But it was too little, too late.

The epitome of a “self-made man,” Hoover believed in individualism and self-reliance. As more and more Americans lost jobs and faced hunger, Hoover asserted that “mutual self-help through voluntary giving” was the way to meet people’s needs. Private giving increased greatly, reaching a record high in 1932, but charitable organizations were overwhelmed by the enormous number of people in need. To many, government assistance seemed the only answer, but Hoover was convinced that giving federal relief payments would undermine recipients’ self-reliance, and he resisted this step throughout his term.

The tension between citizens seeking government action and Hoover’s administration came to a head in June 1932. More than 20,000 World War I veterans marched on Washington, D.C., to ask for early payment of government bonuses they had been promised. But the government refused, and when some members of the so-called Bonus Army didn’t leave the capital, federal troops used tear gas and bayonets to evict the men and their families (see Bonus March).

Hoover and most of his Republican Party firmly supported protective tariffs to block imports and stimulate the American economy by increasing sales of American-made products. In 1930 they enacted the Hawley-Smoot Tariff, which established the highest average tariff in American history. This was a crushing blow to European economies, which were already sinking into depression. Other nations retaliated by raising their own tariffs. This action helped to worsen and spread the depression by choking off international trade. Between 1929 and 1932 the total value of world trade had declined by more than half.

V. International Effects of the Depression

Like Hoover, leaders of other nations around the world were determined to balance their budgets by raising taxes and slashing government spending. Germany, struggling to pay reparations imposed by the peace settlements after World War I, suffered to a larger extent than any other major industrial nation. Nearly 40 percent of the German workforce was unemployed by 1932. In these desperate economic circumstances, large numbers of Germans began to listen to the tirades of Hitler, who blamed the depression on Jews and Communists and promised to restore Germany to economic and military strength. After his Nazi (National Socialist) Party became the strongest political force in Germany, Hitler was named chancellor in January 1933. He soon seized absolute control of the German government.

In Britain the effects of the depression were not as dramatic because the nation had been suffering from high unemployment through much of the 1920s. Unlike the United States, Britain already had unemployment insurance and government welfare payments to ease the burden on the jobless. The depression took longer to hit hard in France because it was less industrialized than the United States, Germany, and Britain. Also, because so many French men had died in World War I, the workforce was very small, and it took a severe economic decline before the demand for workers fell below the small supply.

VI. Roosevelt and the New Deal

By the election year of 1932, the depression had made Hoover so unpopular that the election of the Democratic presidential candidate Franklin Delano Roosevelt was all but assured. Confidence—Hoover’s elusive goal—was Roosevelt’s most abundant quality. Declaring in his inaugural speech that “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself,” Roosevelt quickly lifted the nation’s spirits with the rapid and unprecedented actions of the New Deal.

Within days of his inauguration Roosevelt called Congress into a special session, during which many pieces of emergency legislation were passed. Following the example of many states, Roosevelt proclaimed a nationwide bank holiday, closing all banks to stop panicky depositors from withdrawing their money. A few days later he broadcast the first of many fireside chats on the radio, reassuring Americans that all banks that were allowed to reopen would be safe.

The New Deal produced a wide variety of programs to reduce unemployment, assist businesses and agriculture, regulate banking and the stock market, and provide security for the needy, elderly, and disabled. The basic idea of early New Deal programs was to lower the supply of goods to the current, depressed level of consumption. Under the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, the government sought to raise farm prices by paying farmers not to grow surplus crops. Parts of the National Industrial Recovery Act created codes for many industries that regulated competition while guaranteeing minimum wages and maximum hours for workers.

The New Deal also tried to increase demand, pumping large amounts of money into the economy through public works programs and relief measures. Public works projects not only provided jobs but built schools, dams, and roads; the innovative Tennessee Valley Authority provided electric power and improved living conditions in an area of the southeast United States.

However, Roosevelt never embraced the new ideas of British economist John Maynard Keynes, who argued that intentionally unbalancing the budget to a significant degree would boost demand to the point where recovery would take place. The U.S. gross public debt increased from $22.5 billion in 1933 to $40.44 billion in 1939, but Roosevelt was reluctant to accept any more deficit spending than seemed absolutely necessary to prevent mass suffering. He did not create an unbalanced budget on the scale Keynes advocated until World War II forced it upon him. Once the government started spending at the levels Keynes had suggested, the depression ended.

The New Deal helped people to survive the depression, but acted as a painkiller rather than a cure for the nation’s economic ills. Unemployment was reduced, but remained high through the 1930s. Farm income rose from a low of $1.9 billion in 1932 to $4.2 billion in 1940. The demands of the depression led the United States to institute social-security programs and accept labor unions, measures that had been taken decades earlier in many European nations.

VII. Life During the Depression

The Great Depression had a substantial and varied impact on the lives of Americans. Physically and psychologically, it was devastating to many people, who not only lacked adequate food, shelter, and clothing but felt they were to blame for their desperate state.

Although few people died from starvation, many did not have enough to eat. Some people searched garbage dumps for food or ate weeds. Malnutrition took a toll: A study conducted in eight American cities found that families that had a member working full time experienced 66 percent less illness than those in which everyone was unemployed.

The psychological impact was equally damaging. During the prosperity of the 1920s, many Americans believed success went to those who deserved it. Given that attitude, the unemployment brought by the depression was a crushing blow. If the economic system really distributed rewards on the basis of merit, those who lost their jobs had to conclude that it was their own fault. Self-blame and self-doubt became epidemic. These attitudes declined after the New Deal began, however. The establishment of government programs to counteract the depression indicated to many of the unemployed that the crisis was a large social problem, not a matter of personal failing. Still, having to ask for assistance was humiliating for many men who had thought of themselves as self-sufficient and breadwinners for their families.

Because society expected a man to provide for his family, the psychological trauma of the Great Depression was often more severe for men than women. Many men argued that women, especially married women, should not be hired while men were unemployed. Yet the percentage of women in the workforce actually increased slightly during the depression, as women took jobs to replace their husbands’ lost pay checks or to supplement spouses’ reduced wages. Women had been excluded from most of the manufacturing jobs that were hardest hit by the depression, which meant they were less likely than men to be thrown out of work. Some fields that had been defined as women’s work, such as clerical, teaching, and social-service jobs, actually grew during the New Deal.

The effects of the depression on children were often radically different from the impact on their parents. During the depression many children took on greater responsibilities at an earlier age than later generations would. Some teenagers found jobs when their parents could not, reversing the normal roles of provider and dependent. Sometimes children had to comfort their despairing parents. A 12-year-old boy in Chicago, for example, wrote to President and Mrs. Roosevelt in 1936 to seek help for his father, who was always “crying because he can’t find work [and] I feel sorry for him.” The depression that weakened the self-reliance of many adult men strengthened that quality in many children.

The depression’s impact was less dramatic, but ultimately more damaging, for minorities in America than for whites. Since they were “born in depression,” many blacks scarcely noticed a change at the beginning of the 1930s. Over time, however, blacks suffered to an even greater extent than whites, since they were usually the last hired and first fired. By 1932 about 50 percent of the nation’s black workers were unemployed. Blacks were frequently forced out of jobs in order to give them to unemployed whites.

Yet the depression decade was one of important positive change for blacks. First lady Eleanor Roosevelt and several leading New Deal figures were active champions of black rights, and most New Deal programs prohibited racial discrimination. These rules were often ignored in the South, but the fact that they were included at all was a major step forward. Blacks were sufficiently impressed with the New Deal to cause a large majority of black voters to switch their allegiance from the Republican to the Democratic Party during the depression years. See also African American History.

Other minority populations had experiences similar to those of blacks during the depression. Native Americans were even less likely than blacks to notice a downturn when the depression began; they already fared poorly by virtually every social or economic indicator. But Native Americans, like blacks, were brought into New Deal relief programs that in theory did not discriminate, and an attempt was made, through the Indian Reorganization Act, to enable tribes to reestablish their identities and cultural practices. In industrial cities such as Detroit, Gary, and Los Angeles and in agricultural regions such as California’s San Joaquin Valley, Mexican Americans were seen as holding jobs that should go to whites. Repatriation (meaning deportation) programs were instituted to persuade Chicanos to return to Mexico, often through intimidation.

Groups of white Americans also faced discrimination during this era. Poor farmers evicted from their land or fleeing the Dust Bowl were often despised and abused when they arrived in California and other western states. They were commonly labeled “Okies,” whether they came from Oklahoma or other states.

VIII. End of the Depression

Although economic conditions improved by the late 1930s, unemployment in 1939 was still about 15 percent. However, with the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939, the U.S. government began expanding the national defense system, spending large amounts of money to produce ships, aircraft, weapons, and other war material. This stimulated industrial growth, and unemployment declined rapidly. After the United States entered the war in December 1941, all sectors of the economy were mobilized to support the war effort. Industry greatly expanded, and unemployment was replaced by a shortage of workers.

IX. Legacy of the Depression

The impact of the Great Depression and the programs of the New Deal dramatically altered the relationship between the American people and their government. The federal government expanded its role in many social and economic areas, becoming larger and more powerful. Americans came to accept government involvement and responsibility in caring for society’s most needy members and regulating many aspects of the economy.

The New Deal’s social programs reflected a shift in American values created by the shared hardships of the depression era. The depression experience discredited the extreme individualism and pursuit of self-interest that characterized the 1920s, and revived an emphasis on community, cooperation, and compassion. These values were reflected in the popular culture of the day and in political and labor movements that developed and expanded during the 1930s.

One of the most far-reaching New Deal measures, the Social Security Act of 1935, guaranteed government help to citizens who were unemployed or disabled, to older Americans, and to mothers and children. The National Labor Relations Act (1935) provided protection for union activity, which contributed to the rise of labor unions in mass-production industries such as steel and automobile manufacturing. Unions and racial minorities, who had benefited from the New Deal, were among the groups who became staunch supporters of the Democratic Party, changing American politics for decades to come.

The literature, films, and art of the depression era demonstrated the desire for a more cooperative, less fiercely competitive way of life. Many celebrated the common people, who were contrasted with greedy, powerful interests. Examples included films such as Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939), directed by Frank Capra, and Stagecoach (1939), by John Ford; paintings by Norman Rockwell; songs by folk singer Woody Guthrie; and novels by such writers as John Steinbeck.

While many conservatives believed the New Deal was turning the United States toward socialism, other Americans felt it did not go far enough and sought more revolutionary change. Political movements to the left of the New Deal enjoyed considerable support during the 1930s. Among them were the Minnesota Farmer-Labor Party, which offered radical proposals challenging the capitalist system, and the unsuccessful campaign by novelist Upton Sinclair to be governor of California in 1934, proposing essentially socialist programs to “End Poverty in California.” By alleviating some of the worst effects of the depression, the New Deal helped defuse tensions and preserve a democratic, capitalist system at a time when other nations turned to fascism or socialism.

The return of prosperity during and after World War II revived some of the forces that divided society and promoted self-interest in the 1920s. But the experience of the Great Depression left a lasting mark on the United States in the forms of a much greater role for the federal government, a new political alignment in which Democrats would retain the support of a majority for most of the next half century, and a general feeling that the free market must be regulated in order to avoid another such economic catastrophe.

Contributed By:
Robert S. McElvaine, B.A., M.A., Ph.D.
Elizabeth Chisholm Professor of Arts and Letters and Chair of the Department of History, Millsaps College, Mississippi. Author of The Great Depression: America, 1929-1941.
"Great Depression in the United States," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2008
http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
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OK, at what point does this thing get a little eerie? OK, I'll agree it's not a carbon-copy of today. But it's Close. The Past is Prologue, folks. Get ready.

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Anonymous said...

MOSS had a couple of good years, and even if her CACB is worthless, and she never took cash off the the table, her MDU will set her for life.

Anonymous said...

The City of Bend had a couple of damn good years. SORE events ran 24/7 downtown and at Drake Park, and the Old Mill.

Wine flowed, Cocaine was snorted, and bacon wrapped sushi was the call of the day, they were a hell of a time and if you were one of the lucky dog's that got of the party favor, good for you, and if you kept some and pocketed it, and if you pulled your 'city chips' off the table early in the game, then Bravo.

Now comes the Bill, ahhh $200M, but don't worry HBM says it not real money.

Most will not survive, and the city? Hell it will always be here, we'll BK, and the debt will be forgiven, and move on. Another bubble is on the horizon, and like a patient surfer you only have to wait and be there to catch it.

Anonymous said...

Holy Shit bat-man the RNC now has its own Magic Negro.

It's going to get real fucking ugly.

Who's the nigger? You the nigger! Note whitey can't say the 'N' word, but darkey can!

Steele becomes first African-American RNC chairman
CNN - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Michael Steele, a former Maryland lieutenant governor, was elected chairman of the Republican National Committee on Friday.

LavaBear said...

>>>MOSS had a couple of good years, and even if her CACB is worthless, and she never took cash off the the table, her MDU will set her for life.


She has 29,500 shares in MDU as of Dec 31, 2008. It's trading just below $20 a share right now so that comes to a grand total of $590,000.

Not bad but not set for life unless that thing gets moving the other direction.

Last year she was compensated $178,601 all of which but a few thousand was in stocks.

Anonymous said...

Marge, how we looking?

260 defaults for the county this month. You know sales weren't that high.

Anonymous said...

NORTHPOINTE PHASE IV AND V turned over to Community First Bank yesterday. 80 lots.

2009-003756 IMAGE
DOC TYPE: Deed DATE REC: 1/27/2009 3:59:28 PM
DIRECT: HOLLMAN COMPANY INDIRECT: COMMUNITY FIRST BANK

Anonymous said...

140-year-old quote

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."

Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867

Bewert said...

Amazing--received my letter of not being picked for the Finance Committee, a couple days after the meeting, and it has a Kathie Eckman MACHINE signature.

That was quick.

Bewert said...

I just got this "scary" letter about how I owe someone $789.57. It doesn't say who I actually owe it too. And my debts are pretty much on our spreadsheet.

Really weird.

Anybody else get this? Return address is PO Box 55457, Portland.

Quimby said...

>> Anybody else get this? Return address is PO Box 55457, Portland.

Just pay it Brucey. Money Order.
But the address is wrong. Send it to:

PO Box 3842233
Bend, OR 97707

(snicker snicker)

Anonymous said...

It's trading just below $20 a share right now so that comes to a grand total of $590,000.

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It's plenty of money to 'retire' in Mexico, or Thailand.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867

Scary.

Anonymous said...

Today I was banned from BEBB and the SORE, was it something I said? Funny because I haven't posted at either, but only read to see what fodder there was available.

I think paranoia is starting to put pressure down on the system, and the SORE & BEBB collapsed first, that means the pressure will be on Dunc, what is it with only mentioning D&P, is that new code, is Dunc & Pegasus even un-mentionable now on BEBB?

Certainly our 'hbm' tried, but now is back up to his old tricks.

They tried hard two weeks ago to get butter to 'moderate' this site, definitely some pressure coming down hard somewhere on these open blogs.

Anonymous said...

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."


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Scary? they have only done this like a dozen times since then, every recession in the USA, and there has been dozens of micro bubbles & depressions, ...

Like the 'talk' me & dunc had today over on min-wage-dude, the issue is to keep the consumer alive, not to fuck/rape/rob him so bad that he goes down, even a head-hunter will always leave a few to breed, so he can come back for human flesh the following year, but these folks running Bend are insane, they have brought all the consumer to their knees this time, and thus finally yes, marx might finally be RIGHT, that 'capitalism' in the US has finally eaten its own dick.

Anonymous said...

Years ago I traveled all over Africa as a 'private safaris with some buddys', and every village was the same, lots of boys with arms or legs missing.

After awhile I begged the question? Well it turns out that tribes and villages rob each other continually, but what they do is they want to come back the following year and take young girls of age and food. If you kill all the males then there are neither food nor females in the future, so you raid a village, and leave the males in a state where they can grow food and raise livestock but can't fight.

Bend is much the same, you as a vendor could in theory pillage your customers today, but it really is in your interest that they're employed and continue to be just healthy enough to crawl to your store, but not so healthy to drive to neighboring village say Redmond and buy comics or books.

Everything has to be in equilibrium.

I see it also, in my principal business its been absolute ZERO since May of 2007, I saw it coming, and was prepared. But my customer is CORPORATE, your customer is individual. The layoffs are only now happening and with a vengeance just this week Caterpillar the best company in the world 25% 'fired' and thats the word they used, not laid off, not furloughed but FIRED.

Thus the pain that the villagers of BEND will soon endure in the coming years will be mind boggling, but remember as hungry as the merchant wolf is, its in your interest to leave the males with at least one limb intact.

The rule used to be six months of cash to survive, today I suggest two years, if you aren't ready to live two years and subsidize your lifestyle get the fuck out of BEND.

One last comment from my heart, upon reading the distribution of the OBAMA stimulus majority of 'infrastructure' is going to the northern-midwest, probably not a bad idea, with homes $50k, and many roadless areas that will be the next BOOM. Bend will fall into a horrible black-hole, but there will always be new places that are booming.

Oregon ($6B) is getting very little of the $800B stimulus, and Bend
is going get almost zilch, there is no magic coming to Bend to rescue the economy, its every savage for themselves.

Anonymous said...

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."

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Yes, and we saw the communism he had in mind, in China & Russia, and it has failed, if you didn't know.

TODAY China & Russia are MORE FREE than the USA.

So yes, but and here's the big BUTT the USA is NATIONAL-SOCIALISM, .e.g. NAZISM, that is what we had IRAQ under Saddam Hussien since the 1950's national-socialism, its why big bankers get the bailout's.

National-Socialism is INDUSTRY running the socialism, here in this case, .. yes the banks will be nationalized, but what it really means is that the BANKERS ( geithner, paulson, ... ) will be running the country.

Nazism is "Nationalized Socialism", imagine that, how many times over the years have I said that the USA today ameriKKKa is "national socialism".

What marx failed to recognize, is that the industrialists/bankers would embrace communalism for their own, in their own image.

Soon we'll have what Hitler had, forced labor camps, voluntary service where workers work for free for big corporations, this is why they're laying everyone off, because the the government will be supplying free employees.

Anonymous said...

"The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism"

Homer finds this to be "scary"?

Marx is WRONG if he implies that this NECESSARILY leads to communism. We've had 140 years to see that he is wrong.

Nationalizing the banks is NOT a move to communism.

It's been done in the past in many countries, and eventually the government gets out of it.

Bewert said...

Re: Just pay it Brucey. Money Order.

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You guys get these, too? The first flat out spam bill I can remember receiving. Really blatant.

Anonymous said...

Yes pussy we get them, and we pay just like we're told. But I have found that if you promote your name, and bewert, and address on the internet, then you get on the 'special sucker' list and even get more solitications, but then only a fucking idiot would go public on the net right pussy?

Right RDC/BENDBB(same person).

Anonymous said...

But marx is correct however it seems that the capitalistic cycle is wildly non-stable, and all boom/bust's progressively get worse, certainly there is a very high chance that this cycle will destroy the US dollar, and the world uses that currency, the US will not allow the world to move away from the dollar without a world war.

One marx main arguments against 'capitalism' was that it wasn't managed, and it was completely random, as you can see from this bubble, where you had 100's of thousands of bankers stealing from the public at all levels from citizenry to city's, and state's.

At some point to a futurist, or even an alien, you would have to admit that there is nothing robust or optimum about a economic system that is based on greed/fear cycles that gets progressively amplified and non-stable in time.

Just ten years ago the econ books of the day were... 'the end of the business cycle', 'then end of inflation', ...

The hidden hand of Adam Smith is really a retarded adult playing with his dick 24/7.

Thus marx has some real good arguments, that said, having Paulson, or Bush, or MOSS perpetually run a planned economy makes the retard look real good.

Anonymous said...

Today I was banned from BEBB and the SORE, was it something I said?

Consider it an honor. I'm still working to get banned there myself but so far RDC seems to be content having me give it to him up the ass.

Of course intellectually I'm to subtle for him so maybe I should just go hard core and close the deal.

Bewert said...

Re:...but then only a fucking idiot would go public on the net right pussy?

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Geeze, since I've been public on the net since 1994, you would have thought I would have got one before now...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

More RIVETING BUSINESS NEWS from the Bulletin -- Top BUSINESS Story: The CHicken Wing shortage.


Did you hear the one about the chicken wing shortage on Super Bowl Sunday?
Prices for raw wings have risen - but that won’t stop the party

January 31, 2009 4:00 am
The Associated Press

Some strangely suspect news reports have been swirling in the run-up to the Super Bowl. Would it be too much of a coincidence if the nation was running low on hot wings, just in time for Super Bowl....MORE

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

This towns paper is pathetic. Of course we knew that, but we just keep getting reminded of how awful it really is, every single day.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Nobel economist: 'Not your father's recession'
Posted by jbrugger January 30, 2009 21:59PM

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman gave a far more dire economic forecast in Portland last week than Oregon experts continue to present.

Krugman, a Princeton University economics professor and columnist for The New York Times, predicts -- at a minimum -- several years of a depressed economy. He calls the recession's resemblance to the Great Depression "extremely frightening" and finds new signs of collapsing global trade shocking.

That vision starkly contradicts the opinions of Oregon economists, who generally predict the economy will bottom out this year and begin recovery in 2010. The discrepancy is partly philosophical, but could also reflect pressures on local economists to avoid presenting nightmare scenarios.

Economist Randall Pozdena, for example, said recently that he almost hated to tell a reporter that Oregon would be lucky to see a turnaround before 2010. By saying that, said Pozdena, a member of the governor's council of economic advisers, "you contribute to that mood and depression that's really at the heart of what's going on here."

That's not a pressure faced by Krugman, who writes for an international audience. The liberal columnist, who won the 2008 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for past academic research, repeatedly bashed Bush administration economic and political policies. He predicts rising U.S. unemployment and falling house prices.

Krugman has a recurring economic nightmare involving a syndrome called a deflationary trap, something that could conceivably last a decade. "This has me very frightened," he says, "and it's just starting to get under way."

Deflation, the opposite of inflation, means that prices fall -- which might strike shoppers as a good deal. But as prices drop, consumers hold onto their money in hopes of even better bargains.

Reduced demand sends prices lower, triggering a downward spiral as factories close, employment shrinks and loans default. Pay cuts mean that homeowners, who thought rising incomes would reduce the bite of their mortgages, instead see their house payments effectively increase, boosting their debt load.

Japan suffered a lost decade or more to deflation after its 1980s economic bubble burst. Krugman says the current recession has disturbing parallels.


Echoes of a depression

"This is not your father's recession; this is your grandfather's recession," Krugman says. "That's what's extremely frightening, because your grandfather's recession was the Great Depression."

People say they've never seen anything like the current recession. In fact, Krugman says, "it's like everything we've seen before, happening all at once. You have a cascading series of crises, and they're all interacting."

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, a former Princeton colleague who studied Japan's crash, has tried all the standard responses this time, Krugman says. The columnist expects Congress will have to go back in six months and increase stimulus spending because the current package is too small.

Tim Duy, a University of Oregon economics professor, said local economists tend to view the current recession as a straightforward cyclical event instead of the structural calamity Krugman perceives. In the conventional scenario, the economy bounces back after a few quarters in response to lower interest rates and other measures.

Duy's predictions have been more negative than those of other Oregon economists. He says both cyclical and structural forces are at play in the recession that has given Oregon 9 percent unemployment, sixth highest in the nation. Fiscal stimulus could wear off, he says, leaving the U.S. economy vulnerable to the forces Krugman describes.

"Another challenge is that this is a state that loves its marketing," Duy says. "A lot of people have invested a lot of time and energy in the Oregon-is-different story, and it's hard for them to acknowledge that we're really not that different."

A different point of view

Tom Potiowsky, the state government's top economist, occupies a challenging position as an impartial professional who works for Gov. Ted Kulongoski, a chief executive championing Oregon's economic prospects. Potiowsky says neither the governor nor legislators have ever pressured him to emphasize the positive.

State Sen. Frank Morse, R-Albany, say he believes Potiowsky uses his best judgment. "There's a real fine line between facing reality in a public arena," Morse says, "and not compounding the reality."

Morse, however, criticizes Global Insight, a forecasting company Potiowsky consults when preparing predictions. "They seem to have rose-colored glasses," Morse says of analysts at the Massachusetts-based company. "We're in for, I think, a much more difficult period collectively that what this legislative body believes."

Potiowsky agrees Global Insight was too optimistic going into the recession. But a recent national survey of forecasting firms listed the company as relatively pessimistic, he says.

More than 2,400 people -- a near sell-out crowd -- attended Krugman's talk Thursday at Portland's Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall. "Did you ever think you'd see a time when economists were the most popular guys at cocktail parties?" asked moderator Maria Wulff, president of the sponsoring World Affairs Council of Oregon.

Krugman, professorial in a blue shirt and charcoal suit and tie, did not spare the economic blood and gore, describing zombie banks, liquidity traps and Depression-era ghosts.

"We really are in a kind of Alice in Wonderland economic landscape," he said. "It's going to be a very tense, nail-biting not just a few months but a few years as we struggle to work our way out of this."

Krugman expects unemployment to keep rising into 2011. He says history shows that a groundbreaking development, on par with the invention of the railroad, could pull the world out of the crisis. Perhaps, he says, that could be green technology -- something boosted by Kulongoski.

Krugman told writers for The Oregonian that the United States can bear its increasing debt load, which amounts to more than 40 percent of gross domestic product. At the end of World War II, he said, the debt was 115 percent of GDP. The country worked that off through balanced federal budgets, surpluses and economic growth that ultimately rendered the debt insignificant.

Thursday's talk closed with a question from a member of the audience who asked Krugman for his best-case scenario. Krugman said he hoped for an outcome that, unknown to him, amounted to Potiowsky's current prediction: a recovery starting this year and blossoming in 2010.

"That's what I'm hoping," Krugman said. "But hope is not a plan."

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

THIS IS TIM DUY'S "ASSESSMENT" OF CENTRAL OREGON'S OUTLOOK LAST AUGUST.

Region's economy down, but not out
Housing continues to be a negative force, but job growth, while sluggish, remains up

A continued downturn will not likely lead to an “end-of-the-world” scenario, Duy said. Also, a reversal of the downturn won’t produce another real estate boom like the last one, he added.

“The reality is going to be somewhere between those two outcomes,” he said. “Over time, economies tend to grow, especially those that have fundamental positive attributes.”

Central Oregon’s future growth could be measured more on livability factors such as roads, schools, transportation, and clean air and water, and an appropriate balance between taxes and services, Duy said.

“Any community that can make itself a nice place to live will grow over time,” he said.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Here is more from ULTRA PESSIMISTIC TIM DUY (MARCH 2007):

Region's economy continues cool-down
Business index reflects trends in housing, other areas

The falling index suggests Central Oregon's economy is leveling off after a three-year run-up fueled by a hot housing market, says Timothy Duy, the index's author and an adjunct economics professor at the University of Oregon.

"We're starting to work off a lot of those excesses," Duy said. "The world's not coming apart, but the data (shows) significant weakening."

So far in 2007, the housing industry has stabilized a bit, so developers have reason to be cautiously optimistic that this driving force of the economy will spike again, Duy said.

"On the one hand, one reason they would have to be optimistic is because in the fourth quarter, there was some stabilization in the housing numbers," Duy said. "They went down, but not like they fell in the third quarter."

The second reason for optimism: As long as Central Oregon continues to see an influx of new residents, an underlying support base for housing is created, Duy said.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Sorry, but this guy has NOT been PESSIMISTIC ENOUGH. Like many economists, he looks out THE SIDE VIEW WINDOW to figure out what is going on.

Fuck, a blind man can do that.

We've HIT THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, and NO ONE, including Duy, is admitting it EVEN NOW.

They're always HEDGING.

"We'll end up in some gray zone between calamity & All Right."

Really? Ya think so? Wow! That is VALUABLE INFORMATION! Economists, especially OREGON ECONOMISTS, are fucking USELESS.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Re-read the KRUGMAN NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, to have a glimpse of what we are in for.

Re-read my DEPRESSION post, to know how this fucker will play out.

BEANS, BULLETS, BULLION and BUTTER. I am The BUTTER, and I don't want to get eaten... except maybe by the wife & kids when BBQing me over a flaming trash barrel. Eat the beans. Read the Butter.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Any idea how stats are marge?

Anonymous said...

I think you need to spend more time out in the world homer-butter.

Last year DUY gave a real good talk in Salem ( Its in orygun ) on the economy. I attended, and it was for government people.

What he said was for all of this cycle Oregon would see job loss, except for PDX which would see job growth. Eastern Oregon ( that be central ) would see tremendous job loss and no gain.

This is why I pointed out that UMPQUA buying Clark-Bank was 'excellent' as vancouver is a bedroom community of PDX.

What DUY gets reported by the MEDIAN, and what DUY says is dis-connected. Lastly, the result of DUY's prediction and talk is that lots of government offices this year are going to move to PDX to be closer to the action.

The ENTIRE premise of DUY's argument is, yes more people will continue to move to ORYGUN, but only educated people would move to PDX, and create jobs and fill jobs, the rest of the entire state has nothing to attract educated people. This is what DUY has actually been saying.

Hell yes, its true, for kids ( 20-30 ) living in PDX is fun with music everynight and stuff to do.

The only people that will be moving to BEND will be retirees ( who don't create good jobs ) and losers, to fill the cheap affordable STD's.

The good paying jobs, and the educated people will all be in PDX.

Eventually on the next cycle when things pick up post 2018, these wealthy kids will start trickling back to BEND and bring their money and startup's, just like what happened post 1986, but this cycle is expanded linear in time 2X.

Anonymous said...

Jan. 28, 2009

The U.S. House has approved a White House-backed $819 billion economic stimulus bill.

For more information: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123315486943524321.html?mod=djemalertNEWS


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Ok, stupid fucking LAVA is an idiot, so I'll walk him through this by the fucking dick.

Go to the above site, and click on the USA graph, if you have 'javascript' disable ( noscript ), and click on the graph you'll get a spreadsheet those be numbers that I warned most people here wouldn't like, as they only like color, but then LB complained that the color was 'per-capita' yes, but there are other buttons, but fuck the COLOR look at the data.

So once again,

1.) If you click on the map with java-script disabled you'll get a spreadsheet this is preferrable for real-men

2.) If you click on the map, in wide open pussy-mode of your browser then you'll get a cute widget graph that takes a brain to drive.

Good luck KUNTS this spreadsheet has a wealth of info on where the $800B OREO stimulus is going.

Anonymous said...

Of course intellectually I'm to subtle for him so maybe I should just go hard core and close the deal.

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What did I do? I'm not buster, Elliot asked who Hollern was and I said to google "Hollern bend oregon", there you'll find in his own words on the Sisters Historical site a speech he gave a few years ago.

Why did RDC/BENDBB delete that? Is elliot really dunc? I mean they all play around, and RDC didn't delete the thread "Who is Hollern", but nobody even wants Hollerns own words posted??? What gives??


Sisters Country Places
Today, Brooks Resources and Mike Hollern are the premier developers in Central Oregon. Having created showcase developments like North Rim on Awbrey Butte ...
www.sisterscountryhistoricalsociety.org/People/MikeHollern.htm


The above is what I posted, and he banned me??

Please somebody explain??

Anonymous said...

www.sisterscountryhistoricalsociety.org/People/MikeHollern.htm

Perhaps somebody can at the very least post this link over at BEBB so people can at the very least have an honest debate using the man's own words as reference??

Whenever I posted the link, it got deleted.

Anonymous said...

Consider it an honor. I'm still working to get banned there myself but so far RDC seems to be content having me give it to him up the ass.

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I think that RDC has got to be the stupidest mother fucker in BEND.

Somebody is there anybody more stupid?? He still visits dunc's site and says dumb shit, so there is plenty of opportunity to rub shit in his nose.

It's like he's trying to invent his own reality. Like that "Bailouts aren't bailouts" thread, I mean they are bailouts, and he wants everyone to believe that they're something special. It's like he was hired to support the WWII propaganda, but the war is over and nobody told RDC that the war is over. He keeps fighting the war from a different time and dimension, its just so fucking convoluted.

I agree if you have the patience to say weird fucking shit, like BP's support child sex and marriage, then you can have a lively debate, but god forbid if you discuss anything topical or name names in Bend.

Anonymous said...

HomerButterBalls if your going to DEJA-VU, then DEJA-VU this, and the only correction here is that Bill Smith was brought in by HOLLERN in the late 1960's, Hollern owns Smith, they talk here like they're rivals bullshit, Smith was brought in to develop Hollerns "OldMill".

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A deepening divide: Central Oregon

As more development and wealth flow in, Central Oregon finds new political clout but little agreement on its future or identity

Sunday, November 9, 2003

GAIL KINSEY HILL of The Oregonian

Central Oregon residents like to argue.

About soaring home prices. About dwindling farmlands. About multiplying golf-course resorts.

"There's a lot of polarization," says Kate Kimball, a relative newcomer to the region who works for the land-use group 1000 Friends of Oregon and raises sheep on a farm outside Bend.

Fundamental forces drive the discord: growth and money.

Thousands of people have poured into Deschutes, Jefferson and Crook counties in recent years -- boosting the population 49 percent since 1990 -- many with hefty bank accounts and a desire to build the home of their dreams.

Mansions have spread up hillsides and along riverfronts, pushing aside timber-era shacks and accentuating the gap between rich and poor. Luxury resorts have spread emerald green amid the sagebrush and juniper. Out-of-state corporations have come knocking, not the least of which has been Powdr, the Utah company that bought the Mt. Bachelor ski area two years ago.

The pace of the changes has provoked an identity crisis within Central Oregon. Is it urban or rural? Pro-growth or protective? Working-class or wealthy leisure? Hard-core athlete or martini-inclined duffer?

These Central Oregon spats have spilled into statewide politics, with the region's lawmakers emerging as major players in the state's divisive debates over land use, water rights and education.

Both parties see the region as increasingly important in the fight to control Salem. Republicans think the influx of wealthier residents will cement their electoral edge, while Democrats see the potential for inroads in the growth, civic activism and new links to Portland.

The differing visions for the region's future are clashing in boardrooms, resort lounges, alfalfa fields and city halls across three counties.

The disagreements are as sharp as those between Mike Hollern and Bill Smith, two of the most prominent developers in Bend, the region's epicenter. Hollern, a Democrat, welcomes government oversight. Smith, a Republican, feels constrained by it.

"It's a changed place," says Bob Woodward, a kayaker, cross country skier, outdoor writer and former Bend mayor who has lived in the area for 26 years. "Everything's more contentious."

Dueling business approaches

Central Oregon slips off the east side of the Cascade Range into a scenic feast of cool pine forests and high-desert steppes. With 300 days of sunshine a year, plenty of places to play and a horizon full of mountain peaks, it hardly looks like a spot for tumult.

"It's an absolutely beautiful place," says Hollern, president and chief executive of Brooks Resources, Bend's largest development company and a spinoff from Brooks-Scanlon, the timber company that once dominated the town's economy.

Hollern, who lives along the Deschutes River as it curves through an established city neighborhood, lauds some of the dramatic changes of the past decade. But he acknowledges they also include an increasing gap between "the haves and have-nots."

Of the three counties in the region, Deschutes County has seen the fastest population growth -- almost 10 percent from 2000 to 2002 alone. In the late 1990s, when a cooling high-tech sector pulled down Portland's job-growth rates to 2 percent and less annually, Deschutes barreled along with 6 percent increases.

Not surprisingly, the lack of affordable housing has become one of Bend's most pressing problems. The median home price hit $184,000 last year, forcing many would-be residents into outlying communities such as La Pine, Redmond and Prineville.

In the county's development circles, Hollern, something of a city patriarch, is known for a restrained approach to growth, with projects that include the Shevlin River Front industrial park, an assortment of businesses along the river on the south end of town.

He also was involved in a transportation coalition that brought swirls of roundabouts to the city's west side, giving parts of the onetime timber town an oddly European flair.

While Hollern talks with the finesse of an urban planner, his friend and business rival Smith is more the frontiersman.

Smith chafes at development restrictions and growls at state land-use laws that he says reflect the values of effete urbanites.

"The state is an inhibitor, not an enabler," says Smith, still angry that a recently completed project, the Old Mill District, took so long -- "four years, 11 months, one day" -- to gain zoning approval.

The development, a huddle of national-chain shops and small businesses on an abandoned mill site on the Deschutes River, has yet to prove itself financially. But the complex, which includes retailers such as the Gap and Victoria's Secret, and an amphitheater that has hosted Coldplay and Bob Dylan, reflects the town's leap toward the urban mainstream.

Smith is convinced his project will succeed because Central Oregon's deep tourism base is so broad, attracting not only the travel-trailer set, but also wealthy leisure-seekers and second-home buyers.

Unlike Hollern, Smith doesn't worry about the region's increasing affluence. He applauds it.

Still, not everyone is happy with the retailored downtown.

"It's all restaurants and jewelry stores," grouses Dennis Shaw, who spent years skiing Mount Bachelor and traveling the world before buying the Baja Norte restaurant on a prime downtown corner.

Rents have jumped so dramatically that Shaw, 50, who lives modestly in Northwest Bend and drives around town in a battered 1949 Willys Jeepster, questions whether he can make a profit.

"I should have stayed in Tahiti," he says.

Gap grows between rich, workers

Statistics back up some of the locals' concerns.

One-quarter of workers in Central Oregon earn less than $25,000, says Nancy Knoble, director of the Central Oregon Partnership, a nonprofit group dedicated to eliminating poverty.

"They're really economically stressed," says Knoble, a silver-haired woman who exited life in San Francisco's fast lane in 1999 for Bend's mountain climbing and hiking.

Knoble acknowledges there is little connection between the flow of wealth into the region and the erosion of blue-collar incomes, which began decades ago as timber mills closed. But she has a dim view of the low-paying service industry jobs that have taken over.

"Personally, I don't think trickle-down economics works," she says.

Knoble points to the vacation communities -- "destination resorts" in land-use parlance -- that have sprung up in Deschutes County. Black Butte Ranch and Sunriver are among the best known, but others, including Jeld-Wen's Eagle Crest, have entered the scene, giving the county more such resorts than any other part of the state, including The Coast.

The newest and snazziest is Pronghorn, a $150 million golf resort being carved out of the high desert northeast of Bend.

Mike Parker, a North Carolina transplant who heads Pronghorn's marketing effort, says the home sites are selling fast at $450,000 apiece. Buyers are primarily from Portland, Seattle and Central Oregon, although the region quickly has become known in more far-flung parts of the country.

Parker can't understand why anyone would criticize a development that feeds so much money into the economy. Beefed-up property tax rolls channel money into schools and social services, he notes, and new jobs include architects and home builders as well as maids and waiters.

"They say the little people get left out," he says, "but that's just not true."

Future of farmland questioned

Others uneasy with the money and the tourists are farmers and ranchers, who, by nature, are leery of leisure.

Yet Mike McCabe, a farmer and Crook County commissioner, sees no reason why his constituents shouldn't partake of the same cash benefits that fall to neighboring Deschutes.

A three-mile buffer between resort and farmland -- a state requirement for destination resort sites -- guards against potential conflict, says McCabe, who admits that golf balls and combines can be testy neighbors.

On a clear August day, McCabe, 51, stops his pickup to survey a field of carrots.

"They're a good crop," he says, stooping to examine the tawny green plants. "I talk to them. I practically pet them."

Despite his affectionate care, McCabe knows his carrots might fail him. Like all Central Oregon farmers, McCabe battles the region's short growing season, rock-infested ground and, increasingly, competition from China. He sinks hundreds of thousands of dollars into tractors, swathers and irrigation lines. He prays for break-even seasons.

A third-generation farmer, McCabe is growing tired of the struggle. He just put 900 acres on the market. More could follow.

He figures a wealthy doctor or lawyer from San Francisco, Portland or Seattle will buy the acreage, hire a caretaker and fly in on weekends to enjoy the view.

"I don't resent it," he says of the region's gradual gentrification. "It's just too bad it's so hard to make it work in farming."

A little northwest in Jefferson County, farmer Gary Harris takes a different view.

Here, where better soil and slightly lower elevations increase the odds of profitable cultivation, resistance to urban encroachment runs the deepest.

"We don't want to look like Deschutes County," says Harris, a second-generation farmer with 600 acres of onions, carrots and wheat. "Some of us in this community want to stay small and rural."

Jefferson County became the battleground for one of the most contentious efforts to bring a destination resort into a rural setting. In the mid-1990s, developers sought approval for a golf resort on 1,800 acres near popular Smith Rock State Park.

The development, called Rimrock, was in Deschutes County. But immediately across the Crooked River lay prime Jefferson County farmland and, ultimately, the project's nemesis.

Despite intense lobbying during two sessions of the Legislature, developers failed to secure the necessary land-use changes.

"To try to change land-use laws is like challenging the Bible," says Neil Bryant, a Bend attorney who, as a state senator, supported the measures for Rimrock.

Harris, a member of the state commission that oversees Oregon's land-use laws, impatiently waves off the land-use grousers. His advice to critics: "Quit trying to move the goal posts."

Politicians weigh multiple sides

The pressures to reconcile the rural and urban forces riling Central Oregon aren't going away.

Republican state Sen. Ben Westlund -- who lives in unincorporated Tumalo, a farming community increasingly of the hobby variety -- finds himself stuck in the fray.

Growth's "creeping encroachment has created a very suspicious and cynical attitude" on the part of Central Oregonians, especially where private property and water rights are concerned, he says.

Westlund acknowledges the region's more "cosmopolitan flavor," which he says makes Central Oregonians more understanding of urban-oriented issues such as health care, higher education and job training.

That kind of talk has made Westlund a moderate among his Republican colleagues in the Legislature. His leanings came out most dramatically earlier this year when he helped broker an $800 million package of tax increases. The deal freed a gridlocked Legislature to balance the state budget and end what had become the longest session in state history.

But conservative Republicans and antitax forces are gathering signatures in an attempt to put the issue before voters in a special Feb. 3 election. And Westlund knows his decision and his politics are controversial among his constituents.

The resistance shows up in House Majority Leader Tim Knopp, a Republican elected by Bend voters who might be expected to hold the region's more liberal, urban leanings.

Knopp opposed the tax package, and he is confident his fiscal hard-line sentiment is shared by most of his constituents. He sees no inroads by party rivals anytime soon.

"Deschutes County is remaining solidly Republican, much to the consternation of the Democrats, who would like to believe it's much more liberal than it is," he says.

Voter registration bears him out.

But Central Oregon continues to change so quickly, and in so many ways, that residents and politicians alike acknowledge this region is still up for grabs.

Gail Kinsey Hill: 503-221-8590; gailhill@news.oregonian.com

Anonymous said...

Still, not everyone is happy with the retailored downtown.

"It's all restaurants and jewelry stores," grouses Dennis Shaw, who spent years skiing Mount Bachelor and traveling the world before buying the Baja Norte restaurant on a prime downtown corner.

Rents have jumped so dramatically that Shaw, 50, who lives modestly in Northwest Bend and drives around town in a battered 1949 Willys Jeepster, questions whether he can make a profit.

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Yep, and we lost Baja-Norte years ago, ... It's where El-Jimador sits now, but Baja-Norte was cheap & hip for years.

This guy reminds of the guy who owns taco-shack, out next to the laundry-self-serve, at least they got cheap rent there, yep downtown all restaurants and jewelery stores, and this was 2003, they hadn't seen anything yet.

But like HOLLERN says', "For a few years we made a lot of money".

WHO IS THIS "WE" white man??

HOLLERN & SMITH like to play good cop, bad cop, but smith is just the 'bad cop' puppet owned by HOLLERN so that there is somebody meaner, which makes hollern look liberal.

Anonymous said...

"It's a changed place," says Bob Woodward, a kayaker, cross country skier, outdoor writer and former Bend mayor who has lived in the area for 26 years. "Everything's more contentious."

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For 26 fucking years Bob Woodward and HBM pimped and WHORED BEND to be #1 in Outside Magazine, they were the PR&MARKETING they were the people who said "It doesn't matter to have no job, you can hike and bike".

Yes, BobW, everything is MORE contentious you & HBM have turned BEND into a fucking cesspool of CALI corpses.

There is NO bigger WHORE in BEND, on the HOLLERN payroll to PR&MARKET & COVA BEND, than the BobW&HBM show events 24/7, paid positive placements in magazines all over the world.

Bend #1 in rock climbing.

Bend #1 in mtn biking.

Bend #1 in everything.

Bend the next Aspen.

Anonymous said...

"Deschutes County is remaining solidly Republican, much to the consternation of the Democrats, who would like to believe it's much more liberal than it is," he says.

Voter registration bears him out.


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Yep, and even in 2008 in the OREO election, Deschutes was STILL MAJORITY PUG, something that DEM's would like to 'believe' ain't SO.

But the FACT is BEND has always been PUG, and will always be PUG, cuz its a town of parasitic assholes.

Anonymous said...

It is impossible to spend much time in Central Oregon without hearing the name Brooks Resources.

Generally, once you hear that name, you’ll soon hear the name of its chairman, Mike Hollern.


I first met Mike when we started the historical society at Black Butte Ranch. We began the organization in 1997 by offering programs with speakers of historical interest. A few people told me that I should ask Mr. Hollern, the chairman of a very busy and successful company, to come and speak to our group. Brooks Resources had not been involved with the Ranch for many years and I thought it would be next to impossible for someone as busy as him to be willing to come out and speak to a group of Ranch homeowners.

Somehow I dug up the courage to call him. The first astounding thing about that call was finding that Mike actually answered his own phone. Very quickly into the conversation it became evident that I was speaking with a truly exceptional person. He was thoughtful and gracious and to my amazement, willing to speak with the group.

The day he spoke we had fifty people in attendance. Given the fact that only about 250 people lived at the Ranch at that time, and many of them were still south escaping the cold, the attendance was significant. Some people already knew Mike because they had owned property at the Ranch for a long time. Many were like me; their only knowledge of him came from reading Peggy Lucas’ book There is a Place. We were all quickly captivated. Hearing him share stories of risk taking, struggle and good luck gave new value to what was around us.

Born in 1938 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Mike’s mother was a Brooks of the Brooks-Scanlon lumber company. As a young man, Mike didn’t immediately join the Brooks-Scanlon organization after graduating college. He wanted to prove to himself that he could achieve something on his own, so he took a job as a television announcer in Billings Montana.

After a year, Mike concluded he was “no Chet Huntley or David Brinkley,” so he moved his young wife to California. He spent two years earning an MBA at Stanford University. He stayed at the university for two years after graduation, becoming Assistant to the Vice President of Finance, while raising a family – he has four children. He said he learned everything there from financial planning to fund-raising.

In 1965 an opportunity to join his family’s company arose, this time in Central Oregon. Mike joined Brooks Scanlon in July of that year as Administration Manager. Though headquartered in Minnesota, by the late 1960s Brooks-Scanlon owned nearly 300,000 acres of Central Oregon timber land. The timber industry was beginning to face hard times. All of the timber mills in Sisters had closed by 1963, devastating the town. “Old-timers” remember the 1960s as a time of mass unemployment and a great depression in Sisters Country.

As Mike told us in his talk in 1997, “Brooks realized they were not just in the timber business, but in the land business.” They had been looking at their Central Oregon timber land as an opportunity to become land developers. Brooks Resources Corporation, a subsidiary of Brooks-Scanlon, was established in 1969. Mike became President of Brooks-Scanlon and Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive officer of Brooks Resources in 1970.

The first development for Mike and his new company was Black Butte Ranch. Mike used his relationship with Stanford University to help him find the people he wanted to build the new resort.

Though Black Butte Ranch was the first, it was only the beginning. People looking in today may say it was all easy. What they may not remember is the terrible recession in land prices in the 1980s. There were times then, though Brooks Resources was land rich, it was cash poor. Only strong leadership and a commitment to the area let Brooks Resources continue through those tough years.

Today, Brooks Resources and Mike Hollern are the premier developers in Central Oregon. Having created showcase developments like North Rim on Awbrey Butte in Bend, they are moving out to Prineville and Madras creating astounding opportunities for new arrivals to Central Oregon to buy beautiful but affordable homes and land.

A man of vision, yet grounded in the simple values of family, community and concern for others. Mike Hollern is a special part of Central Oregon history.

Anonymous said...

"This is not your father's recession; this is your grandfather's recession," Krugman says. "That's what's extremely frightening, because your grandfather's recession was the Great Depression."

The Republicans have managed to drive the American economy over a cliff not just once but TWICE in the span of 80 years. Well done!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Knoble points to the vacation communities -- "destination resorts" in land-use parlance -- that have sprung up in Deschutes County. Black Butte Ranch and Sunriver are among the best known, but others, including Jeld-Wen's Eagle Crest, have entered the scene, giving the county more such resorts than any other part of the state, including The Coast.

The newest and snazziest is Pronghorn, a $150 million golf resort being carved out of the high desert northeast of Bend.

Mike Parker, a North Carolina transplant who heads Pronghorn's marketing effort, says the home sites are selling fast at $450,000 apiece. Buyers are primarily from Portland, Seattle and Central Oregon, although the region quickly has become known in more far-flung parts of the country.

Parker can't understand why anyone would criticize a development that feeds so much money into the economy. Beefed-up property tax rolls channel money into schools and social services, he notes, and new jobs include architects and home builders as well as maids and waiters.

"They say the little people get left out," he says, "but that's just not true."


He's got us there. Pronghorn is motherfucking OVERRUN with homeless millionaires! Pronghorn has GIVEN BACK SO MUCH to THE POOR.

WTF is this lunatic talking about? This is just gibberish. This place is FULL of these Mindless ZOMBIES, spouting their WE'RE HELPING THE POOR VIA MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR RESORTS idiocy.

This is just mind boggling.

Anonymous said...

For 26 fucking years Bob Woodward and HBM pimped and WHORED BEND to be #1 in Outside Magazine

I wasn't even HERE 26 years ago, you fucking psycho moron.

Anonymous said...

There is NO bigger WHORE in BEND, on the HOLLERN payroll to PR&MARKET & COVA BEND, than the BobW&HBM show events 24/7, paid positive placements in magazines all over the world.

Damn, I wish I knew what became of all those checks Hollern wrote to me. I must have misplaced them somewhere.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


The Republicans have managed to drive the American economy over a cliff not just once but TWICE in the span of 80 years. Well done!


Hate to say it hbm, but you have admitted to already being wrong once in the past 3 months (ie Bank Bailout). RePug Capitalism has got a hell of a record for you to beat, if it's only been wrong twice in the last century.

Anonymous said...

Hollern owns Smith, they talk here like they're rivals bullshit, Smith was brought in to develop Hollerns "OldMill".

Buster, you fucking psycho, you are so fucking full of shit it's coming out of your fucking ears.

I did PR for the Old Mill District during its creation and I know who the investors were -- met most of them. Hollern wasn't one of them.

Anonymous said...

>>>IHateToBurstYourBubble said...
Any idea how stats are marge?<<<

Sorry, mien heir, I wasn't paying attention.

Sales stats for Jan 09

All sales, in the entire County, including lots and multi-family: 125 sold....less than 1/2 of the NOD's

Bend residential SF only: 58 sold at $226,500 median, 1186 active, 20 month inventory, average PPF $134.

Anonymous said...

RePug Capitalism has got a hell of a record for you to beat, if it's only been wrong twice in the last century.

It is ALWAYS wrong, but it takes a while for its lethal effects to show up.

After Repug trickle-down economic policies (enrich the rich, fuck everybody else) brought on the Great Depression we had a progressive ascendancy that lasted almost 50 years, from 1932 to 1980. Then Americans forgot the lesson they learned in 1929 and started electing right-wing Republicans again, starting with Reagan. (Clinton was a brief interruption, but he didn't do enough to reverse the course the country was already on.) The result: Great Depression II. And once again America calls on the Democrats to clean up the mess the Repugs have made.

Will Americans ever permanently learn that right-wing economic dogma is full of shit? I don't think so. They're too ignorant of history, and the right-wing propaganda machine is too well-funded and powerful. Also right-wing economic dogma is simple ("Bidness good, gummint bad") and simple dogmas appeal powerfully to simple minds.

Anonymous said...

SOOO BEND!!!

Former (Bend)Oregon representative Wes Cooley indicted in California

LOS ANGELES — Former Oregon Congressman Wes Cooley has been indicted in Los Angeles on federal money laundering and tax charges.


Prosecutors say the indictment filed Thursday is related to an investment fraud scheme that bilked victims out of more than $10 million.

Cooley represented Oregon's 2nd District in Congress from 1995 to 1997.

The indictment says he and two other men lured victims into purchasing unregistered stock in Bidbay.com Inc. by telling them the company would be acquired by eBay for $20 per share.

Prosecutors say Cooley took $1.1 million from investors in 2002, laundered it to conceal the fraud scheme, and falsified his tax return to avoid taxes.

Cooley's attorney, Richard Moss, says his client has cooperated with the investigation.

—The Associated Press

This jerk has jerked Bend off for 25 years and finally gets his come upans.

Anonymous said...

Apropos of nothing in particular:

People who drive Hummers receive almost five times as many traffic tickets as the average driver, according to a new study.

Quality Planning Corp., which helps insurance companies identify risk, surveyed data from 1.7 million drivers and found the Hummer H2 and H3 are the most frequently ticketed vehicles on the road, surpassing even the 565-horsepower Mercedes CLK 63 AMG. At the other end of the spectrum, the Jaguar XJ GMC Sierra CL1500 pickup was the vehicle least likely to attract the attention of Johnny Law.

The study found those who drive the leviathans get 4.63 times as many tickets as the average driver, something the researchers attribute to the feeling of invincibility that comes from driving a rolling bank vault.

"The sense of power that Hummer drivers derive from their vehicle may be directly correlated with the number of violations they incur, or perhaps Hummer drivers, by virtue of their driving position, are less likely to notice road hazards, signs, pedestrians and other drivers," Raj Bhat, president of Quality Planning, said in a statement.

Mark S. Foster, author of "A Nation on Wheels: The Automobile Culture in America Since 1945," was even more direct, essentially calling Hummer drivers colossal jerks.

"Hummer drivers feel like kings of the road because of their elevated driving positions," he said. "As these statistics show, they are leading the pack when it comes to violating the law, which may reflect their driving attitude."


And I'd lay dollars to donuts that 99.99% of all Hummer drivers are RETHUGLICANS. The attitude of "I've got mine, fuck everybody else" is classic Rethug.

The fucking things should be banned.

Anonymous said...

This jerk [Wes Cooley] has jerked Bend off for 25 years and finally gets his come upans.

"Come upans"? WTF is "come upans"?

But no, Cooley won't get any comeuppance. He's 76 years old and he's had three strokes. They're not going to put him in prison. He'll live out his remaining days in comfort in Palm Springs.

Cooley has lied and cheated and stolen his way through life and the only penalty he's ever had to pay was 100 hours of community service. BFD.

Like the man said, never steal anything small.

Anonymous said...

I test-drove a Hummer once, for a story for the Source, and it was a sobering experience: The visibility for the driver is terrible and there's no feel of the road at all. Combine that with a "fuck you" attitude and it's easy to see why the damn things are involved in so many traffic violations and accidents.

Anonymous said...

Yeah that "comeuppance".

Thanks for the spelling lesson:)

Anonymous said...

At the other end of the spectrum, the Jaguar XJ GMC Sierra CL1500 pickup was the vehicle least likely to attract the attention of Johnny Law.

Beg pardon -- the phrase "XJ GMC Sierra CL1500 pickup" should have been crossed out. It's the Jag XJ that's least likely to get ticketed.

Anonymous said...

Like the man said, never steal anything small.

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Yeh, when in BEND do what the boss-hoggs do, and that is the whole fucking problem with this town, is that everybody imitates the hogg's, and everybody try's to financially fuck another, but real money is funneled out of this shit-hole to elsewhere, so one AM you all wake up BK, ... with nuttin, ... but like HBM say's no worry it cuz its not real money.

In fact its not real food, or real cars, or real debt, nothing in Bend is real.

Damn good argument for a boss-hogg defense. Right HBM?

Anonymous said...

Will Americans ever permanently learn that right-wing economic dogma is full of shit? I don't think so. They're too ignorant of history, and the right-wing propaganda machine is too well-funded and powerful.

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Bend is PUG. Proof of the theory. As long as you preach 'trickle down' at church, and tell everyone to keep their mouth shut, and they too will get theirs, then anything is possible, this is why BEND-PONZI has operated as long as it has.

The PUG theory is that all is theft, and you too can be part, in fact its the ultimate ponzi cuz everybody knows the first are crooks, but they know there going to get theirs also, but eventually in BEND's case the city goes bankrupt, cuz they're credit is fucked and they exceed state lending limits.

But its a great theory for all ponzi's. Why does it keep working. Human fucking nature.

Lots of lazy parasites want something for nothing, and Bend is a PUG haven, for parasites, trouble is you eat all the meat off all the fucking live-stock and next year you starve.

Anonymous said...

HBM,

Open back up the comments on the sore-eye so we can call you a fuck-head, its simply not as fun here.

sincereley,

Anonymous said...

I did PR for the Old Mill District during its creation and I know who the investors were -- met most of them. Hollern wasn't one of them.


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Hollern BROUGHT fucking Bill Smith here in the late 1960's from cali, they met at Stanford in the MBA program.

What fucking difference HOLLERN inherited the old-mill, and he brought SMITH in to develop it, learn some fucking history HBM you lazy fucking pug-kunt.

Anonymous said...

For 26 fucking years Bob Woodward and HBM pimped and WHORED BEND to be #1 in Outside Magazine

I wasn't even HERE 26 years ago, you fucking psycho moron.

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Thanks for reminding us that you weren't even here during the years to which you claim to be a fucking expert.

HOLLERN Brought Bill Smith to Bend, learn some fucking history about BEND, but hell this is BEND, where fuck-head losers can become reporters.

So what say 20 years ago HBM came to Bend to work at the BULL, he wasn't even here during the fuck last Bend recession, he don't know fucking shit about BEND.

Anonymous said...

Will Americans ever permanently learn that right-wing economic dogma is full of shit? I don't think so. They're too ignorant of history, and the right-wing propaganda machine is too well-funded and powerful. Also right-wing economic dogma is simple ("Bidness good, gummint bad") and simple dogmas appeal powerfully to simple minds.

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Bend is a PUG town, you whored for the company papers for the past 20 years, and still whore.

Yet, somehow you don't hold your self accountable for 'enabling' the pug's in BEND to rob the fucking town.

How can it be to be such a self-righteous 'progressive' in a PUG town, and helped the PUG 'trickle down' rob the fucking town to the bone, and never say a fucking thing, other than bant about Smith Frozen foods?

p.s. sorry about bashing hbm, I really do like him, but this bashing pug's, when he's their fucking enabler is just too much, oh says he didn't get a check from HOLLERN, but HOLLERN owns the fucking BULL&SORE by virtue of owning the own, and paying all the advertising. For HBM to say he never got an in-direct HOLLERN check it BULLSHIT.

To this day HBM gets welfare pension from the BULL, they just got $5M from city from free-land by HOLLERN, and HBM says he never gets HOLLERN checks what a bunch of SHIT.

Anonymous said...

Notice the first thing HBM does here is try to change the subject to cars, the same mother fucker that rages war on studs every winter, so Bend can start using road-salt, which just happens to be provided by MDU, the another owner of BEND.

Anonymous said...

Both liberal and conservative dogmas are simple and appeal to simple minds.

What's funny is when one simple-minded person points out the simple-mindedness of the other side.

Anonymous said...

Notice the first thing HBM does here is try to change the subject to cars, the same mother fucker that rages war on studs every winter, so Bend can start using road-salt, which just happens to be provided by MDU, the another owner of BEND.

Yes, it's all a vast sinister conspiracy, and I am the mastermind behind it all!

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!

Anonymous said...

To this day HBM gets welfare pension from the BULL

You need some stronger meds, Buster, the trazodone doesn't seem to be controlling the hallucinations anymore.

Anonymous said...

What fucking difference HOLLERN inherited the old-mill,

Wrong as usual, Buster. Brooks-Scanlon sold the mill to DAW, DAW sold it to Crown Pacific, and Crown Pacific closed the mill and sold the site to Smith and his associates in River Bend LLC.

You could look it up, but you won't. Wouldn't want reality intruding into your psychotic fantasy world.

Anonymous said...

Lots of lazy parasites want something for nothing, and Bend is a PUG haven, for parasites

So what the fuck do YOU do for a living, Buster? You seem to be here 24/7.

Anonymous said...

So what say 20 years ago HBM came to Bend to work at the BULL

Actually it was 23 years.

he wasn't even here during the fuck last Bend recession

Yeah, he was. When I got here about half of the downtown storefronts were boarded up and people were lining up for US government surplus cheese. It wasn't until about 1991 or '92 that Bend really pulled out of that recession.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Me & hbm are gonna head down to SoCali, and watch Nigga's drive Hummers, so that we might tell each other how it is in fact a validation of our respective biases.

Butter: Look at them Hummer-driving Nigga's flouting the law!

hbm: He was oppressed by Whitey into driving that thing!

Butter: He just shot that gas station attendant!

hbm: He was WHITE, and obviously trying to oppress him by setting him on fire!

Butter: Now he's shooting at us! Fuck me!

hbm: I better go in closer to tell him how my WHITENESS can solve his problems!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Me & hbm are gonna head down to SoCali, and watch Nigga's drive Hummers, so that we might tell each other how it is in fact a validation of our respective biases.

Butter: Look at them Hummer-driving Nigga's flouting the law!

hbm: He was oppressed by Whitey into driving that thing!

Butter: He just shot that gas station attendant!

hbm: He was WHITE, and obviously trying to oppress him by setting him on fire!

Butter: Now he's shooting at us! Fuck me!

hbm: I better go in closer to tell him how my WHITENESS can solve his problems!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Both liberal and conservative dogmas are simple and appeal to simple minds.

I'm telling Sarah Palin!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

people were lining up for US government surplus cheese.

Was this place largely populated by dumbfucks? Cuz no one but a dumbfuck LINES UP for cheese. Especially gov't cheese.

Was it gouda? I might line up for gouda.

Bewert said...

Re: Duy-"
Central Oregon’s future growth could be measured more on livability factors such as roads, schools, transportation, and clean air..."

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The guy obviously hasn't been to Bend in the winter, and ridden through the dustbin we call streets.

Bewert said...

RE: Not surprisingly, the lack of affordable housing has become one of Bend's most pressing problems. The median home price hit $184,000 last year...

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That alone should inform everyone in just how nutty the RE bubble got around here. What goes up must come down. And we went up a ridiculous amount.

Bewert said...

Re: All sales, in the entire County, including lots and multi-family: 125 sold....less than 1/2 of the NOD's

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NODs=260 plus at least 84 more deeds in lieu.

I get the feeling that by March people are going to start capitulating on price, when unemployment hits 13-14%

Bewert said...

Things, they are a-changin:

Treasuries purchases will depend on risk: China's Wen
Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:52pm EST

By Daisy Ku

LONDON (Reuters) - Future purchases of U.S. Treasuries by China will depend on its need to protect the value of its foreign investments and a stable yuan is in everyone's interests, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said on Saturday.

The United States said this month that all its major trading partners should operate flexible exchange rates, expressing concern that China was manipulating the value of the yuan to boost its exports.

But analysts say there may be a limit to the pressure that the United States can put on China as it is the single biggest foreign investor of U.S. Treasuries, with $681.9 billion as of November, according to U.S. data.

"This is a very sensitive question and a question that President Barack Obama will want to ask," Wen said at an event in London in response to a question over future Chinese demand for U.S. government bonds.

"In recent years, our foreign reserves have been growing very fast. We are trying to bring more diversification to the holdings of the foreign exchange reserves. Buying U.S. Treasuries bonds is a major part of it.

"Whether we will buy more U.S. Treasury bonds, and if so by how much -- we should take that decision in accordance with China's own need and also our aim to keep the security of our foreign reserves and the value of them."

CURRENCY ROW

Concerns that China may lose its appetite for buying Treasuries have helped depress U.S. government debt prices, along with worries about the slew of bonds that will be needed to finance the next U.S. economic stimulus package.

Analysts fear the escalating currency row, if it results in China buying fewer Treasuries, will make it more expensive for the United States to service its long term debt.

Wen said keeping China's currency at a steady level was good for the global economy.

"In the financial crisis, it is all the more important to maintain the stability of the yuan exchange rate in a reasonable and balanced level, this is not only in the interests of the China but also in the interest of the world economy," he said.

Wen is in London for talks with Prime Minister Gordon Brown as part of a European tour aimed at building a consensus ahead of the G20 London financial crisis summit in April and improving relations between the trading partners.

Brown is likely to raise the issue of trade and currency imbalances as an obstacle to economic recovery and also urge China to do more to boost demand in its own economy to ease the severity of the global downturn.

Wen joined the growing number of world leaders denouncing protectionism as a response to worsening economic conditions.

"There is a tendency that some people only care about their own business or, even worse, they pursue their self interest at the expense of other people's interest," he said.

"But protectionism in the long run will harm the global economy. The Chinese government has no interest in having a trade surplus. It will not adopt trade protectionism."

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That last part is pretty funny, seeing how they have the biggest trade surplus in the world.

Bewert said...

Saw a $49,000 lot on 14th at about Jacksonville earlier today.

Anonymous said...

Saw a $49,000 lot on 14th at about Jacksonville earlier today.

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Aren't you the same idiot who complained bitterly when the city sold a similar postage stamp size lot on 14th for twice that price not too long ago?

Anonymous said...

Saw a $49,000 lot on 14th at about Jacksonville earlier today.

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I saw that too BP, it caught my, those same lots were over $300k just two years ago, ... but so fucking what, .. its a sub 3500 on a busy corner, strange that it would get broken-off, obviously somebody can't sell the shack, and thinks they can get cash for the shack, ...

But pencil says $50k for lot, $100k to build shit-shack, and $30k total permits & sdc shit, ... your talking $200k for a tiny shit-shack on postage-lot, hell you can have anything you want in that hood now for around $200k.

So what's the fucking point?


Lastly, and I have to say this BP, does anyone else here but BP read his fucking junk mail?? Does anyone else here read his junk mail and make it a topic on BB2? Pleas BP, get a fucking life.

p.s. KUNT, FUCK, ...

Anonymous said...

What's funny is when one simple-minded person points out the simple-mindedness of the other side.

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That's why we call this the MORON meeting spot of Bend.

Anonymous said...


Was this place largely populated by dumbfucks? Cuz no one but a dumbfuck LINES UP for cheese. Especially gov't cheese.


It was the entire Miller (my maiden name) family, we never left the building, we just stayed in line, got cheese, and got back into line.

For a few years we had more cheese than the government warehouse.

Then I got a job at the Bulletin, and quit reselling cheese. Those were the days.

Anonymous said...

You need some stronger meds, Buster, the trazodone doesn't seem to be controlling the hallucinations anymore. - HBowelMovement

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I think what HBM is telling us is that the BULL-HOLLERN money not only covers his pension, but also his medical.

Anonymous said...

Things, they are a-changin:

Treasuries purchases will depend on risk: China's Wen

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It goes both ways BP, nobody but ameriKKKans are bend-stupid enough to buy the chinese crap, they need us more than we need them, not to say they need us much of all but at least 10% of their jobs are dependent on Walmart exports.

They got too many dollars, and they know they have to diversify.

They'll just keep doing what they're doing and in a few years when the yuan/dollar is PAR, then it will be like having made 10X on your money.

It's the US that's making its money worthless, not china.

Anonymous said...

>Saw a $49,000 lot on 14th at about Jacksonville earlier today.

It's on Ithaca, and a Cary Martinez property. Not a good lot at all, as mentioned.

However, just up the street is a 5500 sq footer that is far enough off 14th to be liveable that is currently at $125k after he paid $239k for it in June 06.

It's still not cheap enough to make it work, but it's getting closer.

Bewert said...

Re:
Aren't you the same idiot who complained bitterly when the city sold a similar postage stamp size lot on 14th for twice that price not too long ago?

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Yes, to a guy who paid 4x for the next door property. But the sale never went through. Pete's broke and been handed a bunch of NODs.

Only difference is the city one is commercial in an excellent spot on the roundabout.

Hey, you can pile on as much as you want. Commercial vs. residential on busy 14th, for instance. .

Bewert said...

Re: I saw that too BP, it caught my, those same lots were over $300k just two years ago

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That is the point.

Like the little house on the other side of Parilla that just went for something like $123K. That was a $400K property. It got fucking nuts around here. I'm not saying that we were the only ones.

As far as reading junk mail--if it looks like a bill it gets read. Get over it. Some dumb fucks would have just paid it.

I'm passing it on to postal fraud. Although even getting someone there to take it is proving troublesome. So I'll soon take the simple attitude of I don't fucking care.

Which is just what scammers thrive on, I would think. Dumb shits write a check, and the regulators don't give a shit.

Bewert said...

Re: That's why we call this the MORON meeting spot of Bend.

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And you are obviously an upstanding member ;)

Bewert said...

Re: It's the US that's making its money worthless, not china.

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I thought that was the whole point of that article.

Back of the napkin math-the dollar has to go down 30% or so given the Iraq war and stimulus impacts on the national debt. Said impacts including the quantity of new dollars being created.

Of course, being a fucking progressive taxpayer, I wish all the benefits of those trillions of dollars would have been here in the US. Green energy--can you think of something better to invest in? Builds jobs going in, saves money on the out.

I've got to admit that reading those old stories Buster throws up is rich. As is hb correcting him on the actual facts, if not the essence. I get that same feeling looking through stuff about where our money is going. Shit just gets done that screws the public while enriching a certain few.

Bend has dug itself a really deep hole.

Bewert said...

You know what I like about this place?

The utter lack of censorship. I have to hold myself back a lot.

From this comes some truth, but even better a knowledge of little truths. Like when LB corrected me on the Ward brother payout.

Some rumors, which are pretty quickly confirmed or not.

And stupidity is attacked so vigorously that it tends to go away after time.

That's why I simply admit being stupid at times.

So who's betting Steelers and who is taking the Card's with the point spread (like me) tomorrow?

Bewert said...

What drives me crazy?

One is the report that anyone who does not show "normal behavior" will be considered a security threat at the Super Bowl. They are watching for them.

Ever been to a college homecoming?

This is what drives me fucking crazy about you Repugs. Even though you state that freedom is the most important value, you spread that net of freedom very narrowly.

But maybe even worse is this push towards a pudding of humanity. A vanilla pudding. Anybody who doesn't fit is a "risk".

Anonymous said...

I have to hold myself back a lot.

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Whenever I'm near you or behind you at city hall I too have to hold my self back.

Did you see tropic thunder & Satans Alley??

Anonymous said...

As is hb correcting him on the actual facts, if not the essence.

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Name it pussy HBM is so fucking full of shit, he doesn't do his homework, like he said, he did the reporting for the BULL, he wrote the history of the Old Mill.

Pray tell, then why do they delete the 'real history' of Hollern from the Sisters Historical Society when posted on BEBB,

Bring it on HBM, Bring it on, there are no facts from HBM, such things the way he would like them to be, like his argument that no real money was lost in the BK of Bend.

LavaBear said...

>>>Bring it on HBM, Bring it on, there are no facts from HBM

So are you saying he is wrong about DAW and then Crown Pacific and then Bill Smith?

MrBruce said...

Which assertion is in dispute, like the one today, that HOLLERN brought in Bill Smith in the late 1960's to be his little nigger to develop property. To whom do I have to prove that assertion??

Today the "WINTERFEST" is being held at the OLD-MILL ran by the EVENT(S) of the SORE, behind the SORE is SISTERS money, the same KUNTS that we have been talking about in SISTERS all week, and guess what Sister's Historical Society and HOLLERN, and the same subject came up and all got deleted, can't discuss this @BEBB it gets deleted and poster's get IP blocked, can't discuss @SORE as all comments are now closed.

Today the OLD-MILL is dying, and lots of downtown people want 'winter-fest' (sore event) to be downtown, but HELL NO HOLLERN wants it @ the old-mill cuz the old-mill is dying.

Lot's more going on in this town than people want to say, everyday HBM acts like the fucking expert but he don't know shit about the history of Deschutes County, and anytime its pushed into his face he pushes it away.

I don't care, its just sad to see so much fake bullshit being promoted by the SORE & BULL, like HBM is some kind of fucking Progressive my ass, he's a fucking Nazi just like all the other kleptocrats running Bend.

MrBruce said...

What the fuck is DAW, what did I say about CP, and what specifically are you talking about BS?

I have seen 1/2 dozen buster imitators today, get to the fucking point LB, if you got the fucking balls.

LavaBear said...

You didn't answer the question? Is he wrong about DAW, Crown Pacific then Bill Smith?

Anonymous said...

I don't know what the fuck a 'DAW' is, and don't give a fuck about Crown, and I never brought it up, I think you did. Homer is the one here that always has a hard on for Sisters, I don't give a fuck about Sisters.

On the issue of Bill Smith he was brought in by Hollern in the late 1960's to be his boy, to get shit down on his behalf, this is a public record.

MrBruce said...

You didn't answer the question? Is he wrong about DAW, Crown Pacific then Bill Smith?

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I don't know what DAW is, and CP is NOT my issue. Get to the fucking point you dumb lazy fucking KUNT.

Anonymous said...

Daw Forest Products Co.

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LB, in our 2-1/2 years here, we have never brought up DAW once, why now??

Anonymous said...

HBM's telling the truth. I saw it.

20 or so years ago this little Mexican kid came running down Bond st. with a brick of government cheese yellig, "Look at this, look at this, I got some super good nacho cheese. It's the best nacho cheese in the whole world."

Well I stop the kid and ask, "Hey kid, where the hell did you get that cheese?"

Well, the little Mexican kid looks up a me and says, "There's a big line over on Franklin and the government is giving out bricks of free cheese. I got me a loaf of yummy nacho cheese."

So I ask, "Kid, how the hell do you know it's nacho cheese?"

"Well", the kid responds, "because the little black kid that I stole it from chased me down the street yelling"..."That's nacho cheese, that's nacho cheese."

HBM was there, he saw the whole thing.

(The only problem with this story in that there weren't any blacks or Mexicans in Bend 20 years ago)

LavaBear said...

Hollern owns Smith, they talk here like they're rivals bullshit, Smith was brought in to develop Hollerns "OldMill".

This is the quote he is referring to. If it wasn't you then I apologize for associating it with the one true Buster. It must of been a clone. The above statement is utterly false and hbm knows it. I know it. If you've been in this town for more than the last 5-6 years then you should know it.

DAW Forest Products is the company that bought the mill.

Anonymous said...

In 1950, Shevlin-Hixon was purchased by Brooks-Scanlon because of dwindling timber supplies on their private holdings. Shevlin-Hixon subsequently shut down and their remaining trees were redirected toward Brooks-Scanlon’s mills. In 1980, Brooks-Scanlon was absorbed in a merger by Diamond International. During the late 1980s, the timber company again changed hands, bought by the newly formed Crown Pacific Ltd. The Brooks-Scanlon mill continued to produce lumber until 1994 when, because of diminishing timber supplies, Crown Pacific shut it down.

Crown Pacific publicly blamed the closure on logging restrictions put in place on federal lands to protect the northern spotted owl, but the mill’s demise was the consequence of a long history of unsustainable logging practices. Shevlin-Hixon, Brooks-Scanlon, and Crown Pacific all had aggressively clearcut their landholdings with little attention to replanting. Over time, when the available harvest on the company’s remaining private lands dwindled, the company became increasingly dependent upon the federal government for subsidized timber sales off public lands. When those sales could no longer be sustained, the mill found itself without a reliable source of timber.

Anonymous said...

LB, NOW this is what I actually said, that Bill-Smith was brought here by Hollern to Oregon to work @Brooks owned by HOLLERN Smith was HOLLERN's nigger. Then in 1993, Smith formed investors, of which included HOLLERN.

My 'POINT' was that Smith is HOLLERN's BOY, and SMITH would be NOTHING if NOT for HOLLERN, that was my fucking POINT. What I said was HOLLERN created SMITH.

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Who among us can say we had such a grandiose vision that would completely change the face of our city? A transformation that would create one of the most distinctive and dynamic mixed-use developments in the Northwest? Bill Smith can boast that, if he were a boastful kinda guy. Instead he comes across as a matter-of-fact, tell-it-like-it-is developer who saw an opportunity, seized the moment with great gusto and proceeded to instigate his revelation.


Smith, president of William Smith Properties and the creator of the Old Mill District, tells the story of working for the Brooks Scanlon Mill in the 1970s, giving voice to his relationship to the 270 acres along the Deschutes River that once housed one of the largest sawmill operations in the world.


In the 1920s, three mills operated by Shevlin-Hixon and two operated by Brooks-Scanlon dominated the local economy and brought significant population and employment growth. By the 1950s, timber supplies began to show signs of strain, forcing Shevlin-Hixon to close all three mills and sell its Central Oregon holdings to Brooks-Scanlon.


The Old Mill District is on the same property where Brooks-Scanlon operated its plant.
During its days as a lumber mill site, workers and families moved to Bend from all across the United States to take part in the Oregon lumber industry.


Today, the site is home to dozens of retail stores, restaurants, commercial institutions and a multi-plex movie theater showing the latest Hollywood movies.


The intriguing history of the site, along with majestic mountain views, the panoramic riverfront views and the stately smoke stacks preserved from the lumber mill days add an immense allure to the area. How did all of this happen over the past 15 years?


Smith said he and his investors (River Bend ltd. Partnership) purchased the site on September 8, 1993 at 1:30pm. He then set about to execute what he thought should be developed there.


“If you have ever visited the riverwalk at San Antonio you will see something very similar to what I wanted to create in Bend,” explained Smith. The creator of San Antonio’s attractive riverwalk is Jim Cullums, who Smith met with to tap his creative views. Cullums told Smith that a large part of the concept for the riverwalk came from his father, who once played jazz on the grassy slopes of the river on Sunday afternoons.


“He told me that the river space rented for $2 a foot, but away from the river it went for just 50 cents,” said Smith. “We knew that if we could capture the river, we could make money.”
Smith hired KenKay Associates, a San Francisco firm that has completed dozens of projects within multi-phased efforts, often realizing its own master plans through design guidelines and landscape architecture.


“KenKay developed a land plan and outline, how it would all work and set the tone for the project. KenKay was a key player in the design of the district. The basic premise has stayed the same since its inception, like connecting the north part of Bend to the site and building a bridge over the river,” Smith said.


The plan included salvaging as much as possible of the original mill buildings, and several historic buildings have been renovated to provide unique retail space for the center.


“The amphitheatre was moved to the other side of the river so it could align better with the sun (it originally was to be created where Lifewise sits today). We also wanted to begin with the retail phase, but it took too long to get the permits so we started at the top…..where iSky is today.”
The Les Schwab Amphitheatre has become a much-loved venue for the region’s music lovers. However, Smith voiced concerns about the future of the music industry, noting that people don’t buy CDs any longer; instead, they often buy just one song at a time. “And while we once could fill the house with big-name acts such as Jack Johnson, who has been here twice, he will now only play to a setting that holds at least 20,000 people,” Smith added.


For a sit-down show, the amphitheatre has a capacity 5,000-6,000, while with no seats it can handle up to 8,000.


Smith said now they are combining acts and being creative about the space. He pointed to the recent homerun of the Art in the High Desert festival, which was held along the riverfront.
Smith reported that there wasn’t a movie theater in the original plan.


“One day we all of a sudden had a lot of interest, so we worked with Regal to develop the movie theaters because Regal is the best exhibitor in the world.”


That first phase of the retail development included the shops surrounding The Gap, Banana Republic and eventually Victoria’s Secret. Just a few years ago the brick buildings were refurbished where REI resides and Saxon's Fine Jewelers and the Martini Bar keep everything hopping.


“For us, being here at the Old Mill is like a breath of fresh air,” says Natasha Henderson, daughter of Annette and Ron Henderson, who own Saxon’s along with partner Bruce Plummer. “The area encompasses all age groups and economies and there’s always something for everyone, whether you like to be entertained, listen to music, discover the walking paths, kayak or shop. You can do it all right here.”


Annette Henderson adds, “The best part of the Old Mill is the concept of community. It’s rejuvenated us all.”


Saxon’s resides in what was once the old Fuel Building, which housed the fuel for the powerhouse when the area was used as a mill. Henderson purchased the building in 2004 and transformed the first floor into a full-scale jewelry store that specializes in colored stones and diamonds. “We travel to Thailand and Sri Lanka for our rubies and sapphires, overseas for our pearls and Africa for diamonds,” said Annette Henderson. “The atmosphere is always exciting and busy. It’s a happening spot and we love it.”


Phase Two has just recently been completed, where Allyson's Kitchen, Pastini Pasteria, Flatbread Community Oven and Orvis appear to be doing a good business, even during a looming economy.
“The overall vision took a little longer than I thought,” said Smith. “Fortunately over the years we have had a good economy and I think things will stay pretty much the same. We still have some land down there to develop……three acres at the north end, but we don’t have any plans for that right now.”


For lovers of hand-crafted pasta, check out the 36 different varieties on Pastini Pastaria’s menu, along with a plethora of other offerings such as salads, paninis and sandwiches. Co-owner Susie Bashel says, “For a short while, we wavered between two locations – downtown and the Old Mill. In the end, we decided to go for that great view of the Cascades, and coupled with the fact the Old Mill is a destination for locals and visitors alike, it’s a win-win situation.”


Right next door is Flatbread Community Oven, where all ingredients are fresh and prepared daily with care. With a specialty of true Neapolitan pizzas, central to the theme is a 900-degree wood-fired “community” oven.


Owner Robert Lumsden shares his thoughts on why the Old Mill was first choice for his enterprise: “The most important one is that our business model is loosely based on placing restaurants in towns we want to hang out in. That aside, as a young upstart restaurant company, Bill Smith gave us a rare opportunity as most national lifestyle centers tend to steer their tenant selections towards more common and established concepts.


“He had faith in our extensive restaurant backgrounds and saw it as an opportunity to position our brand alongside respected national retailers to see how well it paired with them, while at the same time rubbing shoulders with locals such as Vanilla Urban Threads and regional players such as Pastini Pasteria. After looking at several locations, we felt the Old Mill, particularly for the price per square foot, was the best place to be.”


Tom Keeton, project manager for Keeton-King Construction, Inc., shares his enthusiasm regarding the ongoing energy at the Old Mill, citing the story of the 400-square-foot historic building built in 1912 that houses DeWilde Art Glass.


“We remodeled the building after it was a bike shop,” he says. “Shortly thereafter, Rich DeWilde moved in with his stained glass business. Eventually, the actual building was moved from the hot pond across from Saxon’s to its current location near Coldwater Creek and the Regal Cinemas.”


DeWilde has been building stained glass windows for 30 years in Bend and couldn’t be happier in his unique location at the Old Mill. “It’s a great place,” he says. “They’ve done an amazing job here at the Old Mill – it’s like a community within itself and everyone gets along really well. The river is only 100 feet away. I can’t say enough about it.”


While KenKey was the key to the conceptual design of the Old Mill, Smith noted that he has retained other architects for various pieces of the development, including Ankrom Moisan, Neal Huston, Joseph DeCredico, Field-Paoli, WPH Architecture, Benson & Bowles, Group MacKenzie, Mithun and CIDA. All land planning and some architecture was by KenKay & Associates. Landscape architecture was Carol Mayer Reid, KenKay and Group MacKenzie.


Engineers have been Bussard Engineering — Jim Bussard and Craig Horrell.


Smith said: “Keeton-King built all of it except Greg's Grill. I have used Keeton-King on projects since 1970. Arland Keeton has been on time and on budget for all of the Old Mill work. Couldn't be better. We've worked together so long we finish each other’s sentences.”
Recent Architecture


In June 2006, Keeton-King Construction began work on four new buildings at the north end of the Old Mill district, three built on spec and one constructed with interest from current tenant Orvis, an outdoors-themed store specializing in fly fishing gear.


Group McKenzie, based in Portland, was brought on by Smith, who wanted to go in a bit of a different design direction for Buildings A, B, C and D than what had been created in the first phase of the project.


Group McKenzie has been in business since 1960. The multi-disciplined firm offers services ranging from architecture, engineering, land-use planning, transportation, civil engineering and interior design.
“When we met with Bill, his idea was to make these buildings truly reflective of the Old Mill,” says Terry Krause, principal of retail architecture at Group McKenzie. “Our endeavor was not just to use pieces of the Old Mill but have the buildings actually resemble those in the original Old Mill, although used in different ways.”


According to Krause, Buildings A, B and C were modeled after historic buildings with regard to shape, roof lines, cupolas and what appears to be second-story windows.


“We played off the character of those buildings while going deeper into the materials used in their construction,” says Krause. “Examples would be thicker board cedar siding and details like window trim, similar to that which would have been in the original buildings. All aspects were highlighted and executed in a modern way that still pays respect to the past. We added some brick aspects to dress the building up a bit, bringing them to a high-enough level that would be fitting for occupancy by the caliber of tenants who are there. The buildings reflect their persona.”


Krause goes on to explain that although the Orvis building was also designed to blend in with the other structures at the Old Mill, it has its own unique flavor which takes its cue from Orvis’ history and philosophies.


“The building resembles a lodge-like structure,” says Krause. “We wanted to tie it into the Old Mill but with an outdoor feel. The same type of materials were used but were left more natural and were not stained, along with the addition of a large front porch.”

Anonymous said...

SMITH WAS WORKING FOR FUCKING HOLLERN.

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Smith, president of William Smith Properties and the creator of the Old Mill District, tells the story of working for the Brooks Scanlon Mill in the 1970s, giving voice to his relationship to the 270 acres along the Deschutes River that once housed one of the largest sawmill operations in the world.

Anonymous said...

Today the SORE is used to promote events at the OLD-MILL.

This is how the SORE/HBM makes their nickels.

The OLD-MILL is HOLLERN/SMITH project.

HOLLERN want's the 'Winterfest' @ the old-mill, and the SORE JUMPS.

The SORE is financed by rich-guys out of Sisters.

Bewert said...

Once again, a large dump with no bolding of the most important parts. Bolding that shows you actually fucking read it.

Bewert said...

Good god, I must eat my words. Most of the last is bolded.

Anonymous said...

Wrong as usual, Buster. Brooks-Scanlon sold the mill to DAW, DAW sold it to Crown Pacific, and Crown Pacific closed the mill and sold the site to Smith and his associates in River Bend LLC. - hbm

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Actually BS sold it to Diamond who sold it to DAW, who sold it to CP, but it was smith/hollern who sold it to Diamond in the first place, and it was Smith/Hollern who bought it back, all the while working for HOLLERN.

That was my fucking point.

Sorry, lava, but I never saw the above from HBM, I had to go back and find this, you may not believe this but I normally don't read HBM's dribble.

But I was curious by what you were talking about 'daw' and I thought you were talking about the new crowne-point bank in Sisters for CP, sorry but at my old age I need more context to figure out what all these acronyms your referring too.

So anyways I don't see how what I'm saying is any different that what I have been saying all along.

My ONLY fucking point ever was that HOLLERN was the money bags and leader behind the town, HBM would like to suggest its Bill Smith but that is BULLshit. Note it was HOLLERN that gave the BULL the money, they all would like that HOLLERN have a low profile to continue their fucking mythology.

In summary HOLLERN brought Smith to Orygun in the late 1960's to work for him to develop property because the mill was dead. In the later years Smith evolved to be one of Hollerns top gophers.

Anonymous said...

bolding of the most important parts. Bolding that shows you actually fucking read it.

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Bolding is a pain in the ass with this editor, you have to wrap with angle-b,test,close-angle-b pain in the ass. I you could just highlight, that would be cool. But I'm too lazy to use all the angles.

Anonymous said...

I was here back in the day when the Miller family would stand in line for Cheese 365/24/7, no other family in town would. There would be a huge line at the Miller house where all the little Bend spics & niggers would line up out back to buy cheese. In those days the government cheese was only handed out to white folk in Bend.

Dim Millers made a fortune selling government cheese to colored folk, made enough to send little Bruce Miller to COCC where he got through a semester of jUrinalism and went on to become an assistant reporter at the Bend Bulletin, a position that he retired from.

Anonymous said...

LB for the record cuz your such a fucking tee crosser and eye dotter,

Brooks Scanlon Sawmill in Bend, OR (became Diamond International, then DAW Forest Products)

Anonymous said...

bolding of the most important parts.

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What if its all important pussy?

Anonymous said...

The SORE is financed by rich-guys out of Sisters.

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How are these guys tied to the Crown Pointe 'hopeful' bank??

Anonymous said...

Ye Olde Mille Districte is Les Schwab all the way. Hence the Les Schwab ampitheater. He just got his boy, Little Billy Smith, to help him out. Les had the money and Billy had the know how. That's how she went down, boys. Listen to me and you'll go far.

LavaBear said...

>>>LB, NOW this is what I actually said, that Bill-Smith was brought here by Hollern to Oregon to work @Brooks owned by HOLLERN Smith was HOLLERN's nigger.

It's not what you said but it may of been what you meant. (I quoted what you said above) I'm ok with that. Yet here is the deal. If you've ever sat down and talked with Mike Hollern, you know he's not the dark lord pulling strings of the universe guy. And lord (and hmb) knows if you have EVER sat down with Bill Smith you know within minutes he doesn't have anybody let alone Mike Hollern pulling his strings. Thus the quoted statement above is really stupid for anyone that has been around this town for long. They may of come to town together but geez, they have done their own things for so long to say one is doing the bidding of the other is nuts. You have missed a lot of history in the last 30 years.

Anonymous said...

Here's a little story about Bruce's lot. (I was bored tonight)

The $49k lot is at the corner of 14th and Ithaca (shitty location) it's a shitty shape also as they cut it around the existing house that used to own it because of a little encroachment by the house wall(funny things happened during the boom)

Waaay back in January of 2006 some dumb fukker by the name of Kevin Parker bought the freshly slaughtered bitch from Thomas Jefferson Duncan for $175,000. Can you believe that shit? Well it gets better. Kevin Parker wasn't as dumb as we thought he was, cause sure enough he turned around and found some fukker even dumber than he was. That dumb fukker was none other than Walter Wipfli and on the 11th day of July 2006 he gave our buddy Kevin Parker $205,000 dollars for that sorry excuse of lot. (I'm guessin Kevin wasn't so stupid as he walked off with his tidy little profit of $30,000). The best part about our buddy Walter Wipfli was that he bought the lot not for himself but for his genius investment counselor's/partners at ABACUS design genius's inc. all rights reserved tm llc etc.. (aka Carey Martinez)he was gettin in at the ground floor ya see. Walter and his friend at the countrywide office set him up with a nice little construction/lot loan of $189,000. Then some trouble found it's way to town and the ABACUS boys were havin trouble ya see, they were plum tapped out on building cause they couldn't sell any of their other creations and old Walter couldn't find anyway to build out this dream here of his, or somebodies dream, so he gave that beauty of a pile of a lot back to old countrywide on October 6th 2008 in lieu of foreclosure y'all know what that means right? Then on the fine winter day of January 22,2009 a fine little lady named Jennifer Abernathy (conspiracy theory alert) walked into the foreclosure office and picked up this fine little lot for just $31,000!! Can ya believe it?!! Then what does our little friend Jenny go and do with it? She puts it on Craigslist (before the ink even dried on her purchase and sale) for the low low price of $49,999 ya know just ta see if she can go on and make a tidy little profit, see here's the funny part. Our little friend Jenny didn't realize that the lot needs sewer and water taps before ya can build on it and those little beauties are gonna cost her about $25,000 and it's also a corner lot and ya gotta meet certain setbacks and beins it's a little skewed of lot it's gonna be one pickle of house that might finally get set on that little lot. So ther ya have it fine people of blogerland the flipping mania is alive and well here in beautiful Bendover Oregon and the best part on this one is everyone got bent over on that one. Stay tuned for when Jenny begins turning tricks to make her mortgage payment on the lot when it doesn't sell so quick.
Good night y'all




SP

Anonymous said...

Latest deed in lieu of news Hollman gives 76 lots back to community first on 01/27/09

HEre's a link ya lazy fuks
http://recordings.deschutes.org/TempImages/71628828201336.pdf

Anonymous said...

Here is a kind of interesting tidbit about Crown Pacific.

For the first 5-10 years the two owners were Peter Stott and Tim Blixeth.

Timmy was the guy who started The Millionaires Club up at Yellowstone.

Anonymous said...

Some of the richest 'loggers' today in Oregon are the boyz that run Umqua Bank, that is why there Texas Ratio is at a solid '6', they're sitting on ton's of SW Orygun old-growth.

Anonymous said...


It's been Confirmed, The RNC nigger's Dick is Bigger than the DNC nigger's dick.

Steele Focused on 3 Critical Races in Rebuilding GOP
Newly elected RNC chairman Michael Steele said a GOP comeback rests on the results of three critical races.

FOXNews.com

Saturday, January 31, 2009

Jan. 30: Former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele speaks after being elected the first black Republican National Committee chairman in an election by the RNC during their winter meetings (AP).

Newly elected chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael Steele said he is focused on three races in his effort to rebuild the GOP after it endured worrying losses in November's elections that gave Democrats control of Congress and the White House.

Steele, Maryland's former lieutenant governor and the first black to head the RNC, said one of the most critical battles for the GOP is to capture New York's 20th congressional seat formerly held by U.S. Sen. Kristen Gillibrand, D-N.Y.

"It is the first of a series of races that are coming up that are going to be incredibly important," Steele said in remarks Saturday to the Republican House Retreat in Hot Springs, Va.

Steele said he will be in New York next week for a meeting with Republican state leadership to "map out the strategy to take that seat."

"That win will send a powerful signal to the rest of the country and especially those folks in the elite media who think they know so much more than the rest of us," he said.

"Our game is not up ... our message still rings true with countless Americans, specifically with those in the 20th congressional district," he added.

The Republican chairman said the GOP's second focus will be on winning the governorship in both Virginia and New Jersey, along with other state offices.

"That is our fight," he said of the two races.

Steele also stressed the importance of winning "reapportionment races at the state level."

"We got a lot of work ahead of us," he said. "We've got to map a strategy to preserve what we have, take what we want and continue to move forward ... (and) reaffirm and reestablish with the American people a sense of trust, a sense of commitment, a sense of opportunity."

Steele was elected as the RNC chairman on Friday, defeating the incumbent party chief and three other challengers over six rounds of voting to become the first black to lead the GOP.

"As a little boy growing up in this town, this is awesome," said Steele, the most moderate candidate in the field.

Steele, who had been considered an outsider by some because he was not a committee member, struck a tone of inclusiveness in his brief acceptance speech Friday.

"We're going to say to friend and foe alike: We want you to be a part of us, we want you to with be with us, and for those who wish to obstruct, get ready to get knocked over," he said.

Steele replaces Mike Duncan, who abandoned his re-election bid in the face of dwindling support midway through Friday's voting.

Anonymous said...

Then on the fine winter day of January 22,2009 a fine little lady named Jennifer Abernathy (conspiracy theory alert) walked into the foreclosure office and picked up this fine little lot for just $31,000!! Can ya believe it?!! Then what does our little friend Jenny go and do with it? She puts it on Craigslist (before the ink even dried on her purchase and sale) for the low low price of $49,999 ya know just ta see if she can go on and make a tidy little profit, see here's the funny part.

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More telling on this is that it reveals how fucking Miller-Stupid the Aber-Pussy family is. Aber-Pussy ( Mordorian for Abernethy ) ran Bend during the boom years and just got out? It would look awfully suspicious for him to BK Bend, and get run this city into the ground, only to be mayor and buying 'sheeeeeeet' at rock-bottom prices. One more thing to THINK about, its these SAME PEOPLE demanding for CHEAP SDC, now you can see why aber-pussy wants the SDC/PERMITS cheap, so that him & wife can throw up shit shacks for NO COST to themselves, and these are the KUNTS running city.

No 'conspiracy' here folks by definition, conspiracy requires secrecy by definition. What most interesting is this is one of our #1 Bend 'progressive' familys doing BEND STUPID ( herein Miller-Stupid ) shit.

Anonymous said...

What is the lot really worth? My guess is the lots right now are worth $20k, about what I could buy a lot for in 1991 just about anywhere.

Which is about what mrs aber-pussy paid, see she paid a fair price, but I doubt she'll find anyone with money who will pay more, lastly it would be interesting to see who holds the paper? Did she pay cash? Or is the bank CACB?? It would be interesting if some BANK around town was giving the aber-pussy's a large open line of credit for 8+ years of services rendered.

MrBruce said...

If you've ever sat down and talked with Mike Hollern, you know he's not the dark lord pulling strings of the universe guy.

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I never said I didn't like and respect HOLLERN. What I have said is he came here in the early 60's cuz he inherited Brooks-Scanlon, the town of Bend, with his fresh MBA, his own auto-bio is on the fucking sisters-historical web, that keeps getting deleted by BEBB.

About 1968 Hollern brought Smith here to work for him, and Smith stayed with HOLLERN for years until he went out on his own, Hollern MADE Smith.

This is what I have said. HOLLERN runs this town, and SMITH is one of his monkey's.

I never said that HOLLERN was sinister, all I discuss is 'ownership'. HOLLERN controls the BULL&SORE, and HOLLER own's SMITH, and not a chip-munk eat's in this town without HOLLERN's approval.

Now lets get back to why HOLLERN/SMITH forced the SORE to move winterfest from downtown to Old-Mill this year, and don't even get me started about TLC.

LB you there how about you telling me about Hollern, TLC, and the SORE, and Sister's?? How about it smart guy?

Anonymous said...

TUMALO LANGLAUF CLUB needs volunteers for the newsletter, social activities, potlucks, fundraising, grooming and hosting at Virginia Meissner Sno-Park, WinterFest and “Learn-to-Ski Day” teachers. Contact: Tom Carroll, 541-385-7981.

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Now what the fuck is TLC? What is Winterfest? Who controls them? What is the TLC's agenda? Right now TCL is trying to 'grab' all the land from Meisser to Dutchman to call their own to 'groom', and to charge anybody who skis the whole fucking mtn a 'TLC TAX'. Many of us want fucking silence in the back-country, we don't want fucking machines everywhere.

So today you got the SORE/TLC/SISTERS-RICH/HOLLERN-SMITH all grabbing ALL the land between MEISSNER & DUTCHMAN for themselves, like MT-B, once they control it, then they can start putting up condo's & shit, because we all know that the forest-service will allow anything by those who effectively lease-control public land.

This SHIT just never fucking ENDS.

Anonymous said...

The one to back-link is 'Lay it Out' that is the mother-load front for Switzer.

316014-95 ABN ACT 10-11-2005
Entity Name OREGON WINTERFEST
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N



New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 704 NW GEORGIA AVE
Addr 2
CSZ BEND OR 97701 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 10-11-2005 Resign Date
Name AARON SWITZER
Addr 1 704 NW GEORGIA AVE
Addr 2
CSZ BEND OR 97701 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Type REG REGISTRANT
Of Record 576353-86 LAY IT OUT, INC.
Addr 1
Addr 2
CSZ

Anonymous said...

Talking about CONSPIRACY theory's see what's going on right now is that MT-B is BEND-DEAD, and with cost of 'energy' the lift-biz is dead, so the powers of THEFT in BEND-OREGON want to 'STEAL' all the XC areas of BEND, and call them their own, and charge people to use public land, and build STD's in these areas that is the BIGGEST planned theft going on today, all being RAN by the SORE & family.

I bit you'll not see that 'conspiracy theory' ran in the SORE opinion column or the Sore-Eye blog.

Anonymous said...

LB,

Just the other day you told us that you were a rabbit fucker, now your denying it, which is it rabbits or chipmunk??

YB,

LavaBear said...

>>>Just the other day you told us that you were a rabbit fucker, now your denying it, which is it rabbits or chipmunk??

I never once said rabbits. Dirty little creatures with sharp fucking claws. Chipmunks aren't big enough. Golden mantled squirrels are the ticket.

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