Monday, March 3, 2008

February in Bend -- The Real Estate Calamity Continues

ALERT: Over 200 comments... now in pagination mode.

BEM is Back!


Well, first of all, BEM has Come Back & posted to his blog, http://bendoregonbubble.blogspot.com/.

Awesome! And as usual he posts regarding a topic near & dear, the INANE anchoring on, and reuse of local spending estimates as The God's Truth. This is simply an editorial standards issue... or a lack thereof, of local media. Some are so outside the realm of reality that they've lost all credibility -- notably, Cascade Business Buttbangers.

COVA's Sleep Number is "498", and you can pretty much google any local media site on this figure & up comes COVA and their To The Penny Dead On The Money BS figure about "tourist spending", $498 million. Of course, this is bullshit.

The only function this sort of thing has is buffaloing local government into funding Mega-PR/Marketing bullshit programs at taxpayers expense.

"If we don't get funded, say BYE-BYE to every nickel of the $498,000,000 tourist trade!"

Uh huh. Right.

Anyway, BEM's first post in over a year is a good read, and you should go have a read... NOW!

Brucey...

Brucey did some more good stuff recently. Over on BendBB, he posted some good pics of the whithering of the local market. I think I did my own last August, Picto-Plummet - A Graphical Novel.

Actually, my first picture of Eagle's Landing is now, a totally different picture! Well, sorta different. I'm happy to announce that since I documented the 100% vacancy rate on spec lots over at Eagles Landing, that 1 LOT HAS SOLD & A HOUSE WAS BUILT! Yeah!

That does leave about 80 lots or so to go, but at this rate, my children may still be alive when Eagle's Landing finally sells out. Good Job over there guys. Bringing it in below the 100 year saturation cutoff.

And if there's one thing I'm pretty sure of, it's that if you can't sell out a STD development in under 100 years, you got problems. Yarrow & IronHorse? See, they got problems cuz they are pushing the 100 year cutoff.

You can force your kids to sell real estate, and maybe the grandkids. But the great grandkids? That's getting pretty dicey. For historical perspective, if you look BACK 100 years, you notice that the aero-pod & velocipede had recently been invented in 1908. Selling Yarrow & IronHorse in 2108 just seems like it's a bit long in tooth on the business plan side of things.

That's just me, though.

Oh right... Brucey... Bruce also pointed out that Blogger has gone to paginating comments, when they reach 200. Just be aware that you can click "newer" and "newest" links near the top & bottom of the comments area.

On to the markets...

I usually don't talk about the stock market, cuz I suck so bad at predicting it. But I always thought that somehow the meltdown in housing/credit would ultimately negatively impact stocks.
DJIA, 6 months

Notice that we've been down 4 months in a row now, but the mind-numbing losses I would have expected have not really materialized. Why?

My own (craptacular) theory? Well, imagine you got Big Money, and I mean BIG. Many, many millions, or billions. What do you do?

Seems like subprime, SIV, and CMO shenanigans have poisoned every debt issue in sight. Unless you are buying government paper, you STILL don't really know what you're getting. Whether it's dollar denominated or not, non-govt debt has gone toxic.

This leaves stocks, and weird shit like commodities. And Oil at $100/bbl, and gold near $1,000/oz don't hurt, either.

So for TRILLIONS in US retirement money, that leaves Big Stocks, US & Foreign. With the dollar going into the shitter, that really makes foreign stocks appealing.

Well, no. These issues will suffer, cuz the tsunami will wash over everything & strip it to bare metal. But it by default leaves stocks, and they have really barely moved in 8 years, and the NASDAQ is still way down from March 2000.

DJIA, 10 years

Since March 2000, we've gone from just below 12,000 on the DJIA, to 12,266 today. That's what I call a horrendous Opportunity Cost Bear Market.

Is the market up since then? Yes, but it is Far Below where you'd be had you bought zero-risk treasuries.

The P/E on the DJIA is currently 14.9, or an earnings yield of 6.7%. Greenspan frequently postulated that the 10 year treasury yield should be approximately equal to the DJIA earnings yield. The 10 year yields 4.55% now, and an equivalent earnings yield on the DJIA would put us at 18,130 on the Dow.

That summarizes my feelings about stocks. We ARE in a bear market. I think we're about to take a Hard earnings hit, but still stocks are the last bastion for Huge Money. That & treasuries. What is toxic in individual industries? Hmmmm....

Cascade Bancorp, 5 year chart

Right, right, right, right, right... Good old CACB came within striking distance of single digits, getting CRUSHED down to $10.11/sh this week.

Interestingly, no sooner do mega-bears like myself & BEM make horrendous downside predictions on this dog, and it swiftly exceeds them to the downside. CACB is probably the sort of small, RE-overexposed bank Bernanke was talking about this week:

"There will probably be some bank failures," Bernanke told Congress Thursday. "There are some small and in many cases de novo [new] banks that have heavily invested in real estate in locales where prices have fallen. Among the largest banks, the capital ratios remain good and I don't expect any serious problems among the larger banks."

Bernanke should really stop speaking. He's like the Bizarro World Opposite of Teflon Al Greespan. Everytime Al opened his pie-hole we got 100pts to the upside. Helicopter Ben sneezes, and we get killed. Poor Bastard. Besides he's Dead Wrong about "larger banks" having no serious problems. Here's some more Bernanke-izing:

From
February 29, 2008

Ben Bernanke triggers dollar’s fall to new low

The dollar plummeted to record lows and shares tumbled in New York and across Europe yesterday after Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, spooked markets with a prediction of US bank failures and fresh warnings over a grim outlook for America’s economy.

In its third day of heavy losses, the embattled dollar slumped across the board on foreign exchanges after Mr Bernanke gave what economists said was a “green light” to markets to step up their assault on the US currency.

The dollar fell to a new record low against the euro, which soared to levels above $1.52 for the first time, while the dollar’s overall value on its trade-weighted index also hit a record low for a third consecutive day.

The greenback’s heavy losses combined with the latest dose of bleak US figures, with confirmation that the US economy came close to stagnating in the fourth quarter, to spark another fear-fuelled sell-off on Wall Street.

Now, we're definitely fucked. But almost none of it is this poor bastards fault.

For a look at the other publicly traded Bend-area issues, the news is not good.

Clear Choice Health Plans, 3 years

Clear Choice has suffered losses on par with CACB. I don't have insight into the problems here, but they are taking this one out to the barn for a shooting. This is largely owned by local doctors though... and these are the same people COBA is targeting to buy up their remaining 3-4,000 homes to finally absorb 650% of local disposable income.

Some good news? Yes.

Prineville Bancorp, 3yr chart

Maybe Prineville is semi-immune to the local market rout, maybe it's behind the curve even farther than Bend, maybe it's just so illiquid that no one ever trades it, or maybe this issue was just ridiculously undervalued in the single digits.

Whatever the reason, PNVL has held up relatively well. It last traded at $10.50/sh, and a P/E of about 14. Is it bound for a beating? I don't know, but PNVL has held up far better than any other local publicly traded issue.

I would have included Micro-Semi here, but it's my understanding they were bought a few years back, and the mothership is not really a Bend-based business.

Finally, local RE... The Rout Continues

mstucker (marge?) posted this in the comments:

Marge said...

I posted this at Bendbb.

Feb sold stats as of 3/1/08.

Bend Residential homes on less than an acre:
45 Sold @ median of $322,500
Bend all types of residential
58 Sold @ median of $327,500
Current active listings are 1876.
Hopefully a few more sales will be reported next week as brokers catch up with reporting to MLS.
There seems to be more homes going pending the past 60 days though.

In 2007 the numbers were:
Bend all types res
169 Sold @ $335k
in 2006 it was 190 Sold @$336k
I looked all the way back to 1997 and can't find a Feb. with such low sales. In 97 it was 101 sold @ a median of 118k. Might have to go back to 1987 to get that low. MLS only goes back to 97.

Whoa. Read & re-read folks. This is just death. Here is my response to Tim's question about figures post back on March 20:

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

So Paul, how many years of inventory will we have at the end of February?

Well, last Feb David Foster recorded 132 sales, and 1,168 homes for sale at the end of that month. That's about 8.9 months of inventory.

Jan 08 was 13% higher inventory than Jan 07, and Feb 07 was 1,173, so if Feb is 13% higher than last Feb, that yields 1,326 homes.

If we sell 50 homes, that's 26.5 months. 40 homes is 33.15 months. 30 homes (Armaggedon), yields 44.2 months.

We're going to have to really bust it out to hit 50 homes by the end of the month. 30 homes seems to horrible to consider. I'm guessing 30 months for Feb 08, or 2 1/2 years.

That's GAME OVER for soooooo many people around here. That's Hasson, Remax & Morris shutting down shop in The Old Mill & leasing 1,000sf next to a consignment shop, or something. These people cannot make their lease/mtg payments at that level of sales, much less anything else.

I think a lot of brokerage will go "boutique" in the next few years. Big franchises will exit. Lots of little 4-5 man shops. And of course the rise of cut-rate, limited service shops. Bye-bye 6%.

Well, now we know. a CORE site search on "Bend Residential" today, yields 1,336 homes. 45 solds rounds up to 30 months inventory. That excludes condo's, acreage properties, manufactured's, etc.

OK, what I've kept track of with Doug Fosters data is all Bend residential. The news here is worse. There are 1,883 units of all residential types for sale in Bend, and marge's pre-lim figure of 58 solds (bound to be revised up, mind you) yields 32.5 months inventory.

Months Inventory, Bend Oregon, all residential types, May 2006 to Feb 2008.

There it is. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... and again... and again.

"Months of Inventory is The Most Important Indicator Of Central Oregon's Economic Health."

And maybe you've spotted a subtle trend in this number... yeah, it's headed up. Just a bit. I think several area Realtors suggested 6 months is a "normal" figure.

Anyone remember when such RE sages as Pam Lester said things were "so low, they could not go lower"? Just point to the area on the graph... as I recall it was Aug 22 of last year:

Prices still sliding, sales still slowing


If prices drop further, losses may be in store for industry
By David Fisher / The Bulletin
Published: August 22. 2007 4:00AM PST

In the meantime, though, things have gotten to the point in the local markets, especially for home builders on recently purchased land, where prices can’t sink much further without inviting losses, Redmond-based Century 21 Gold Country agent Pam Lester said.

“I don’t expect prices to go anywhere but up from here,” Lester said, “because they can’t go any lower.”

Can't argue with that. That there is airtight logic.

I like Fishers subtitle on this one:

If prices drop further, losses may be in store for industry

Read further in the piece, and you see the stats for last July:

In Bend, 109 single-family homes on less than an acre of land sold in July, down 27.8 percent from June’s sales, according to the Central Oregon Multiple Listing Service. The median price — the price at which half sold for more and half for less — stood at $340,000, 4.5 percent less than the median price of homes sold in July 2006.

Monthly sales figures in Redmond, Crook County and Jefferson County also fell to their lowest levels in five years, according to the MLS, while median sale prices dipped below prices in the same month a year ago.

In Redmond, 40 non-acreage homes sold in July, down 45.2 percent from July 2006. Median prices also slipped to $247,000, down 5.7 percent from the same month last year.

In Crook County, 11 homes sold — half of the July 2006 number — while median sales prices slid to $190,000, off 13.5 percent from homes sold in July 2006.

In Jefferson County, eight homes sold — a third of the July 2006 volume — while median sales prices dipped 4.9 percent from July 2006 to $173,250.

So.... according to marge, medians HAVE dropped. But what's truly imploded is volume.

Where's the Bulletin story on THE LOSSES? Hmmm... maybe it's on it's way, right BEM?

BendBB statistical goodness...

And finally BendBB has come out with his monthly statistical goodness. God bless that crazy fucker.

Anyway, there are some trends of note:

First, Desert Skeeze continues to prove The Old Adage, "Don't buy shit in Desert Skeeze." OK, maybe a more generic adage is "People don't like buying jumbo STD's built to 3rd World Standards within whispering distance of their neighbors".

At $315K, and 3,390/sf, this $93/sf STD jumbo-crapper is STILL the Cheapest Shithole in town. This badboy started out at $399,900, and has suffered 4 markdowns totalling 21.23%, not counting prior listings, which there may have been.

Hell, it's only been a few weeks since this turd busted the $100/sf barrier. I talked about a run to the 60's. This thing has already dropped another 7%, and still no takers.

A confirmed 6 figure short sale is this Pollock-fueled nightmare in Forum Meadows:

Forum Meadows Coyote Ugliness

The owner of this barf bucket periodically begs to be put out of his misery on craigslist. He claims to have bought this snotpile in the mid 400's, and it's now clear down to $249K, and still no takers. It's 2,517sf, so it's busted below $100/sf as well... but the bottom continues to rush away.

We're headed for $60/sf.

What really jumped out this month was the BRUTAL 1-SHOT price drops on bare land. And not shit, out East STD-2-Be crap. The Good Stuff.

The Reserve at Broken Top had several lots take a near 40% beating. This one got spanked for 42.3% in 1 reduction. That is serious shit. Luckily the listing Realtor has got some hotness.

"Hi, I'm Ashley Erickson. My hobbies include being hot, skiing, and spanking bare land listings for 40%"

Here's a rundown on some YoY PPSF price trends on big subdiv's:

DRW: Feb 2007, AVG(PPSF): $215.40. Now $181.43
Northwest Xing: $283.46 a year ago, now $251.46
RiverRim: $224.10, now $221.54.
Broken Top: $325.53 last year, now $316.05.
Awbrey Butte: $319.52, now $280.96
Parks at Broken Top: $259.48, now $224.10

And just for you, Timmy:

Skyliner Summit was $208.00/sf, and is now $202.90.

So PPSF figures that used to be mixed, and not really definitive, are now pretty universally down YoY. But still not Down Hard.

What is really Down Hard is your ability to actually sell at your ask. No one is selling anything. Look at that Months Of Inventory graph. That's The End. Bye bye Morris and Hasson. Bye bye Amerititle. Bye bye 80+% of all mortgage brokers... or more. Bye bye Old Mill RE leaches.

30 months of Inventory is the End of our local economy. Notice the layoffs occurring? Again, NOT A COINCIDENCE. And this is certainly Not the End of them. And like The Unlisted Dark Matter, these layoffs are like an iceberg: You're only hearing about 10% of them. The Big Boys who can't hide it, cuz the laid off will make sure the press hears about it.

Knife River, Brightwood, the entire town of Gilchrist, Deschutes County, Seaswirl, Oregon Woodworking and a litany of others are in the first stages of culling their ranks or flat out shutting down. Most income hits are being taken by "RE free lancers", off the books. That shadow sector has been gutted already. These are the fuckers that kept Merenda & the local Hummer dealer alive.

The Good News? Well, Deschutes County traditionally "bottoms" in February. Things usually get better from here, for about the next 6-8 months. Sales will pick up, things will be declared "OK", and such.

But if you really need to sell, realize that this yearly game of musical chairs ends as predictably as it starts, and if you Need Out, this is Your Time.

Mark It DOWN. Not a little, A LOT. 40-50%. You MIGHT be able to sell. But this is IT. Don't buy into the "The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow" Bull Shit. This is a temporary respite, and I do mean TEMPORARY. We're in the LONG WAVE DOWN. Decades Down. We just happen to be starting a meager, half-hearted, but predictable yearly wave up. It'll end soon, and that's IF it really gets going, which it may not.

If you've been "waiting", now is your time. But it's still going to hurt like hell. But I guarantee you'll be happy you take the hit today, rather than enduring death by a thousand cuts. If you suffer a brain hemorrhage cuz you are getting lowballed, you'd better buck up & take it. It will NEVER get better than RIGHT NOW.

Sellers have taken a total of 3,781 price cuts in BendBB's data, banging the cumulative value of that RE from $967.8 million, down to $852.7 million. And the price cutting still has So Far to go, you won't believe it when it's over. This place is FLOODED with square footage, both residential & commercial. We are in the beginning stages of an economic tsunami here.

But in the next 3-4 months, you can actually take advantage of a small seasonal respite & actually sell, but you will have to accept that you will be ravaged monetarily. That's it. My Lord, "dunc" just posted on BendBB that foreclosures here outnumber sales:

Feb., 08 Notice of Defaults: 109
Feb., 08 Houses Sold: 58

Look at the Months Inventory graph. Look at THAT foreclosure data. That AIN'T RIGHT. That is SERIOUSLY WRONG. Foreclosures outnumber Sales? In Bend? NEVER!

Well, it's happening. It's Armageddon. But you have a tiny window, right now. Bail Out, Mark it down... or You Will NEVER SELL. EVER. They will carry you out.

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LavaBear said...

If someone would please tell me how I overnight got street-cred on this crazy board, maybe I can apply that lesson to the rest of my life.
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I call it the Friends in Low Places theory. Just have to have drinks in enough bars until you find the one where the fuckers are crazier than you. Makes you feel not so nuts.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

bruce said...

OK, dickhead BB2 whining cunts,


The mind meld of Buster & Brucey has begun...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Wow, CACB closed at $9.71, down 2.2% for the day. If I recall, the all-time high was $31.90. At an intraday low of $9.49, that's a 70.25% DECLINE.

CEO's tend not to survive long after that.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I call it the Friends in Low Places theory. Just have to have drinks in enough bars until you find the one where the fuckers are crazier than you. Makes you feel not so nuts.

Why the fuck you think I started this thing?

:-)

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Dang... my memory's better than I remember:

28-Dec-06 31.36 31.90 31.30 31.49 142,500 30.71

$31.90 is the all-time intraday high on CACB. $31.49 looks like the all-time closing high.

Anonymous said...

Bend is #1 again!!! Hooray, #1 in children without Health-Insurance in the State of Oregon. Makes you proud to be in Aspen, I mean Bend.

In a town of say 60k, with only 10k known good jobs, why is this surprising??

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Central Oregon's uninsured kids top

By Deanne Goodman, KTVZ.COM

The advocacy group "Children First for Oregon" reported Tuesday that Central Oregon has a higher rate of uninsured children than any other region in the state.

The situation does not look good for many children. According to the study, about one in five Central Oregon kids don't have health insurance.

Fifty percent of eighth graders have not been to a doctor in the past year and the majority our uninsured youth have tooth decay before their sixth birthday.

Children who might otherwise not get medical care due to a lack of insurance are getting treatment at the Community Clinic of Bend.

Nurse and Medical Director Megan Haase said, "Our mission is that all children should have access to health care, so our clinic system has a sliding scale pay for the uninsured. We take Oregon Health Plan and private insurance. "

Yet according to the 2006 statistics just released, thousands of Oregon children are not getting the care they need, especially when it comes to oral health.

"We almost always see children with tooth decay," said Kemple Clinic Coordinator Vickie Matthews.

Volunteers dentist come to the clini to treat uninsured and under-insured children and teens.

"We have a dentist now donating a bridge on a front tooth for a teenager," said Matthews.

Community non-profits formed the Oral Health Coalition to get the kids dental work before their adult teeth fall out. NeighborImpact is one of the organizations that helps get children regular check-ups.

"Insurance is hard to get," said Jill Rowe of Neighbor Impact. "There are barriers to (getting on the) Oregon Health Plan. It's hard to get payment plans at health care providers. That all has an impact."

"We've seen children that actually had life-threatening infections in their mouth" Matthews said.

The Children First for Oregon study estimates 45 percent of Central Oregon kids ages 6 to 10 are suffering in silence with untreated tooth decay. Mathews and Jill Rowe believe the number is higher.

"We've had several children we identified their dental needs because they couldn't eat anything hard at school. No carrots, apples, but they were eating bread and applesauce," said Rowe.

Treating children young for health concerns helps students perform better in school and feel better about themselves, the agency officials said.

Anonymous said...

If someone would please tell me how I overnight got street-cred on this crazy board, maybe I can apply that lesson to the rest of my life.

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It all started when Homer pointed out that Tim is the only he has never insulted, will that wasn't true, but that started the urban myth in Bend, that Tim was an un-touchable.

I think its mostly because Tim has always been a rational voice, in an irrational town.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


The advocacy group "Children First for Oregon" reported Tuesday that Central Oregon has a higher rate of uninsured children than any other region in the state.


I find this hard to believe. We have fewer insured than Harney County? Huh? No way!

We might be chumps when it comes to insuring our kids, but this great state holds some truly indigent motherfuckers, and I KNOW it's worse in other places than it is here.

Harney & Grant counties come to mind....

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

The Children First for Oregon study estimates 45 percent of Central Oregon kids ages 6 to 10 are suffering in silence with untreated tooth decay.

Oh fuck me. "Suffering in silence"? What the fuck are they, exiles in a fuckin Turkish prison? The little bastards have cavaties!

This piece is a liberal nightmare.

"We've seen children that actually had life-threatening infections in their mouth" Matthews said.

Uh huh. Little motherfucker might DIE from an abscess if it's injected with The Fuckin AIDS! OH NO!

Liberal Dentist Says Millions Of County Children Will DIE Of Tooth Decay!

"We almost always see children with tooth decay," said Kemple Clinic Coordinator Vickie Matthews.

That's like a stand-alone quote from this thing.

AHHHHHHHH!

This is being fueled by some sort of dental awareness bullshit. I'll be looking for dentist ads soon... They bought & paid for this bullshit.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

If someone would please tell me how I overnight got street-cred on this crazy board, maybe I can apply that lesson to the rest of my life.

I hope I have as much credibility on here as Timmy someday.... sigh.....

Anonymous said...

HOMER,

I don't like to pick on you, but you don't fucking get, most people in Harney & Grant are ranchers, and cattlemen, they own shit, or they contract for Mr. Potatoe in Idaho, who owns almost all the land in SE Oregon.

Bend with 60k population, has 10k good jobs, and with builders, Re, ... Now down and out in year-2, the health-insur is the first to go,

Per capita, with Harney&Grant NOT having the flippers, and dip-shits, its mostly honest people, who have their heads screwed on.

Bend and near, are a bunch of loser amenity parasites, and Harney/Grant aren't such.

The fact you say such shit shows you don't know shit about down south of Burns and such.

There are two kinds of birds, the guy watching over one million acres on contract, and the guy who owns one million acres. Both have their health insur covered.

I was at the clinic at Century & Reed the other day and talked with the doctor there, he told me most of the people didn't have insurance, were paying cash.

Lots of good people down in Grant & Harney, and they ain't fucking Cali parasites, that are so fucking stupid that they're paying their MTG with the money they should have used for their health-insur, and NOTE this all these fuckers in Bend, builders, realtors, mtg-brokers, ... ALL these fuckers were all contractors, meaning that never had 'paid' health, now they're income is DOWN 90% why is it fucking surprising that the health-insur isn't there.

Again HOMER most people in Harney/Grant have fucking jobs or they having MONEY. In Bend most people don't have a job or money.

Shall I go on???

You know who Mr. Potatoe man is Homer, Simplot You know him??

Anonymous said...

I hope I have as much credibility on here as Timmy someday.... sigh...

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I think 'credibility' is the wrong word, its rationality.

Have you all ever noticed that Tim, is the ONLY person that doesn't insult people?? It's like he operates from a higher ground.

That fucking timmy-twat, ... but we do love him.

We love everyone, I'm worried about bruce-pussy, and that meow-meow thing, I think we're losing him to the dark side.

Let's get back to the bubble.

Hey Homer, did you know under the new Rules of RE-MTG now, you can't REFI or ( HELOC ) if you have listed with MLS in the last 180 days?? That pretty much any home now that has been listed is locked out of CASH-OUT, even if they OWE ZERO for 180 days!!

Let's say you own, like me, I can't SELL, and I can't take out cash, that's where we're at now, ...

Oh, they'll let you take out after 180 days on your primary, but never now on rentals, even if they're 100% free&clear, ... The MTG market is shutting down so fucking quick, but this is EXACTLY what I have predicted all along, that MTG financing would be gone, if you didn't by late last year.

Now you can buy, but they apply the BEND HPI to the BEND appraisal, basically 40% haircut off county, and then 80% of that, most people will not sell that low, so for the few that do qualify, 20% down, overy 750-FIC0,

It's here now, 90% of all deals are now being cancelled at the MTG broker, ... Homer did you know that the HELOC is now fucking DEAD??

That stated-income, unless you have over 780-FICO is dead, ... and even then its only good on your own home you occupy, and if your LTV is less than 50%.

I would say that 60% of BEND is now FUCKED to DEATH, and that is FUCKED.

HOMER in summary, don't fucking compare Deschutes County to Harney, that shit would get YOU shot down that way. They look at Bendy's as child-fucking-calis'.

Anonymous said...

This is being fueled by some sort of dental awareness bullshit. I'll be looking for dentist ads soon... They bought & paid for this bullshit.

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Tomorrow the BULL will announce that DVA/VCB/COVA is bringing in 72 Dentists and wining&dining them, ...

Dentists love condo's when they're not committing suicide.

Anonymous said...

Here is the back-story about Marge's assertion on appraisal changed in NY.

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Cuomo's Cure for Mortgage Malaise
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac play ball with NY's AG

By D. O. Volente
ConsumerAffairs.Com

March 6, 2008

If you've been cheated by a wily home appraiser, there's some good news around the block.

Fannie and Freddie Mac, the two government-sponsored entities that purchase about 60% of all U.S. home loans, will now try to fix some fundamental flaws that led to inflated and fraudulent mortgages in recent years.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said Monday that his "New Home Value Protection Code," which is scheduled to go into effect in 2009, is out to transform the mortgage mess nationwide.

Here is what Cuomo's code stipulates:

• Lenders shouldn't use "in-house" appraisers, who might feel pressured to agree with valuations suggested by their bosses.

• Lenders shouldn't rely on appraisal management companies they own, as was the case with Countrywide Financial (CFC), which used its subsidiary, LandSafe, for appraisals and other closing services.

• Mortgage brokers, who earn a commission based on the size of a mortgage, shouldn't be allowed to choose appraisers.

• Fannie and Freddie will fund an institute that will enforce the code and establish a national hotline for appraisers to call when they feel unduly pressured.

While Cuomo, a state official, has no power to implement new rules, the decision by Fannie and Freddie to sign on to the code of conduct could force all lenders to play ball. The two government-sponsored entities purchase about 60% of all U.S. home loans.

"This is a really positive step," says Richard Bitner, a former mortgage lender and author of Greed, Fraud & Ignorance, a book about the subprime lending collapse. "The whole process is screwy. What Cuomo's doing is great."

Bill Garber, spokesman for the Appraisal Institute, which represents the industry, praised the agreement, but said his group wanted to take a closer look at the ban on bank-controlled appraisers.

"We've seen instances where those operations, in a controlled and adequately examined and enforced environment, can operate successfully," he says. "I'm not sure it's fair to ban all in-house appraisers just because of a few bad actors."

Industry experts see the agreement as shaking up the real estate appraisal business.

"It's going to create massive change," said Brian Chappelle, a partner at Potomac Partners in Washington, D.C., a consulting firm to the mortgage industry.

He said mortgage lenders that own appraisal companies — such as Wells Fargo (WFC) and Countrywide Financial — may have to spin off those divisions because they would be prohibited from selling mortgages to Fannie and Freddie unless the appraisal work was being done independently.

Cuomo has been investigating billions of dollars of home loans that Fannie and Freddie bought from banks, including the largest U.S. savings and loan, Washington Mutual (WM).

"I believe consumer confidence should be restored," Cuomo said. "With these reforms we will have a safer, better evaluation process."

Anonymous said...

Dunc ASKS: Do people even realize that Bend is going down??

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Dunc the only the 60% can do is walk,

Let's look at the number's say 60k real souls. Now 10k real jobs, thats 1 in 6, or 16% with decent jobs with benefits,

The 60% of 60k, is 36k, these people MUST leave, but will they? Hard to say, probably not until the welfare runs out. THe other 24K, probably 1/2 is my 10k above, good jobs, but NOTE these good jobs is largely HEALTH, as even NOW with the demise of HELOC and almost all surgery in BEND elective, the health folk are going down, ... So what will we end up with 2k or 5k good jobs in Bend??

How many real rich in Bend, I'm sure no more than a 1,000 with real money, lets say there are 10k retirees, most I know counted on their BEND RE to be the holy grail that was going to get them through the golden years, most of these folks are under water, will they wait this out 10-15 years? Thats how long to get back above water.

Dunc, I'm an optimist, because I know its coming back, but folks just don't have any idea, that 36k MUST leave this place, because the State of Oregon doesn't have enough welfare. Note to date we have 5,000 known Homeless it will be 10,000 this summer, and 20,000 next year if incentives to get the fuck out of here aren't delivered, or perhaps they'll create a giant tent city out at Juniper-Ridge and send them here, our City-Hall is so fucking insane, I wouldn't be surprised that they take other homeless as an opportunity to unload crap-shacks, but then that just makes this place even MORE un-desirable, ...

They can't SELL, they can't get a job, and they can't pay for health-care, CRIME, CRIME pay's, and your going to see a lot of it. Hire someone to stand by the door at your biz and do full body scans, ... This is the future of Bend.

RE is going down, 60% of this town are going to be under-water, and un-employed, and 401K empty, ... its going to get ugly, the smart ones were those that cleared out early with their 401k intact, Jingle-Mail looks like the right decision more&more everyday, ...

Big difference between 1983 and now is that then we saw $70k to down to $30k big fucking deal on net-loss, now we're going to see $750k go down to $200k or less ( shevlin, ... ) That's an average loss of 1/2M for most people, and those that attempt to pay it back @ retirement are fucked for life.

Do anyone you have any scope of how many retiree's are going to get wiped out here??

Then there's the people in the HIGH Broken-Top $2M or more, ... and there shit is going to be down 1/2M or lower for years, many of these people paid cash around 2004, and were assuming a guaranteed $4M by 2008. Now instead they have LOST all their principal, a lot of these people were TOLD by their bankers to do this, as you couldn't lose MONEY in BEND RE in 2004.

Does anybody even have a concept of the scale of loss coming to this fucking town???

Bewert said...

Nice to see such a backbone here...

Hopefully Marge has more 'nads then the rest of you.

Or you can just whine all the way down. Not like anyone notices, other then the 13 people that post here.

Why should I even bother to hang my ass out?

Fuck all your whining...

Bewert said...

And can I add a Fuck You to anyone who cares about their own tiny piece of the local pie vs. the post just before my last.

I will go forward, without any one of you whiners with no guts. Period.

Good night.

Anonymous said...

My dumbfuck brother LOVES to come here, ski, and get sloshed on Bend brew.

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PD - is he hot?

Anonymous said...

Tim, is the ONLY person that doesn't insult people?

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What I've noticed is that Tim DOES shut people up, but he doesn't it slyly, and quietly leaves some dead bodies on the playing field. His favorite play: attach on four sides with some iron-clad logic, so you don't have a chance in hell and you bow to him in defeat. He's vicious in an undercover way.

Buster is the in-your-face-with-a-garden-rack guy. He will smack you upside the head and then walk away while you are lying on the field bleeding (all the while walking away thinking: "He asked for it. He didn't know his Bend history.")

Paul D'oh's like the big old puppy dog on the field, just happy the balls in play and that he's the alpha pup (however he shows respect to the original alpha - BEM). PD doesn't insult people, he welcomes and encourages all playas.

Bruce will attempt to keep up with the gang and say something kind-a-mean, but end up sounding like a five year old trying to be a man. Then he'll immediately write another post to basically say "I'm sorry, I'm going to bed."

I think these are the top four -- anyone else need a one paragraph analysis?

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned not having an accurate population count for Bend. Do you want one? I might be able to pull some strings with one of the nation's most respected pop demographics companies to give me their latest pop counts?

But two things:
1. Do you really want it - or will you just shit on it?
2. Define the market area you want to measure.
3. Accept me as one of the boys (I'm a girl).

Anonymous said...

. Do you want one? I might be able to pull some strings with one of the nation's most respected pop demographics companies to give me their latest pop counts?

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FUCK YOU BRUCE-PUSSY-#2, we don't bribe people here, we don't promise to do something before we do it, we don't talk shit, ...

Post want you know and move-on, but don't fucking TELL US what your going to do, this what bruce-pussy does, and we don't need another fucking bruce pussy.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

You know who Mr. Potatoe man is Homer, Simplot You know him??

I can't believe he's still alive. Is he? Last I looked he was like 100 yrs old.

Paul D'oh's like the big old puppy dog on the field, just happy the balls in play and that he's the alpha pup (however he shows respect to the original alpha - BEM).

Playing with my balls? I should be neutered.

3. Accept me as one of the boys (I'm a girl).

Are ya hot?

And No, my brother ain't hot. He's a fuckin Cali nightmare. And I remind him so, everytime I see him.

Anonymous said...

PD - is he hot?

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Has he slept with BENDBB? Is he clean??

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

most people in Harney & Grant are ranchers, and cattlemen...

Not the fuckers I've met. They are low-wage motherfuckers working day-to-day. Mill-rats, lumberjacks, waitresses, cashiers... dirt stinkin poor.

I NEVER met anyone in Harney county that wasn't on the verge of living in the street. And I never met anyone who owned more than 1/2 acre.

Buster, you must be hangin with the Richies. I worked with those poor fuckers... they was nice, they was honest... but they was poor motherfuckers....

Anonymous said...

You must be hanging out in Coffee shops in Burns, or the sleeze bars.

Go out into the country where the people are go down south to Crane, or out to White-Horse Ranch, or Roaring Springs, and meet the real people.

Most people in DEEP SE OREGON, are on the land, NOT in Burns.

It's besides the fucking point Homer, the issue is children/med insur, and Central Oregon, like et-al is ground zero poverty toxic & fucked. Harney County is gods chosen people, and they'll do just fine.

Anonymous said...

One other thing on this beer issue, so what if there are BARS in Bend, for you brother HOMER, the fact is Deschutes is almost 25 years old, and running less than 50% capacity at their new brewery, they're most recent marketing foray ended in failure, in 2004 they bought a $2M hulk in downtown PDX, and now sticking a ton of money into it,

Years ago widmer, portland-brewing, bridgeport all sold out to the big-guys, Deschutes is only one that has HELD-OUT, and Gary-Fish is fucked, and his company fucked. You think Abyss this year was great, but then admit your NOT a beer drinker.

BEND produces TIER-3 BEER, this is a fact, ONLY morons might be impressed. Deschutes spent a fortune on PR&MARKETING trying to tap the CALI&COLO markets and landed flat on the their fucking ass, and Fish fired them all and started over. I think this white-elephant he's building in PDX will be their last-play, they'll sell out soon.

The downtown Bend brew-pub is going down the toilet and quick, nothing like it was 20 years ago, that was the day.

Everything in BEND sucks, the old Hans was great, and the Original Marz, Merenda was OK, the first year.

Bend is the kind of tourist town they'll come once, which is why the endless marketing and PR for NEW suckers.

It's game over, yes there will be lots of BARS in Bend homer, but so fucking what, like Deschutes,Silver-Moon, Bend-Brewing, or Cascade; there are NEVER women hanging out, and that is the kiss of death. In PDX you go to Bridgeport and you'll see lots of single women, but NOT at Bend brew-pubs.

The greatest day for Oregon brewing was the late 80's and early 90's we were first to legalize non-pasturized beer post-depression, but by mid 1990's cali & colo, but us at the game, its been over for years, people ( tourists ) might drink in Bend, but the beer will be made else-where, just like every fucking thing else.

Bend is a desert Island inhabited by LOSERS that were dumped off, and everything has to be brought in, and there are no jobs or money.

Anonymous said...

Buster, you must be hangin with the Richies. I worked with those poor fuckers... they was nice, they was honest... but they was poor motherfuckers....

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Hanging out there all over forever, but hanging in Jeeps exploring the rural county's meeting the locals and going to there homes,

Trouble is they all drive beat-up pickups, and how do you know?? What they have? Go to their homes out in now where and you'll see grand-pianos in the living room, people read out there, and play music, as there is NO urban entertainment, kids to school all week, an parents only see junior on weekends.

This is beside the point Homer, the only issue is that Central-Oregon has more un-insured kids than anywhere else in Oregon, and this doesn't surprise me at all. It's all about prioritys.

Anonymous said...

Homer,

BEM's site finally has a comment on why the city didn't quit using the $498M figure when BEM told them to quit using it, poor BEM they even treat him like Bruce-Pussy,

Nobody in this town gets respect.

Anonymous said...

Agree, Bend is the Phoenix of the NW, without jobs.

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The above is a DAMN GOOD description of BEND,

And in AZ , we call Phoenix & Tuscon the ASSHOLE of Arizona.

So that pretty much makes Bend the desert-island asshole of Oregon without the jobs, makes Burns look like a paradise, bet you un-employment in Burns is much lower than Bend!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Houses in Bend are overvalued, report says; Some disagree, saying the study’s data is incomplete

Anyone got a copy/paste on this schizo Bull piece?

A year ago they embraced the "overvalued" label. Now, it's the kiss of death to these RE Bubble fucks.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Go to their homes out in now where and you'll see grand-pianos in the living room, people read out there...

As I said, you hangin with the Upper Crust. I hung with some damn poor bitches. And I knew a lot of them. And Harney & Grants rock-ass bottom wages and huge unemployment seem spot on.

I didn't know a single rich rancher. I probably knew the dirt-stinkin poor ranch hands.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

CACB $9.54 and falling...

Yawn.... just another day in fuckin Armageddon...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Damn... Bruce might be our next CACB Shorter....

Capstone up to $2.15 from below $1 just last Aug.

Anonymous said...

CACB $9.54 and falling...

Yawn.... just another day in fuckin Armageddon...

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Yup, HOMER, you know they budgeted MILLIONS of dollars of REAL cash to buy back the stock??

You know that, they worked like hell support the $10 price, now it will drop to $5 or below and quick.

Remember that CACB is liquid, if BEND RE was liquid this is what we would be seeing.

The reason that CACB is worthless is that they're holding BEND RE COMM&RES, thus it represents the TRUE value of Bend, Oregon Real Estate.

We'll NOT see the bottom of BEND-RE until buyers get federal loans.

Problem right now is the fucking dis-connect. In 2007/2008 they raised my tax assessment from 315k to $398k, the house value today in real terms is about $280k, the homes near were selling for $550k in 2005. Prices were going down in 2006, so why did the county raise the property value by almost 25% in 2007?? It don't mean shit. This is why we have the HPI for Bend, its a corrective factor that can be applied, so that you can figure what a real value is compared to county-assessment.

My point here is that CACB is going down because BEND is an orchestrated 100% fraud.

In PDX the property-tax assessments are STILL at 2000 levels, and thus USBANK doesn't even do appraisals, they just use your county assessment. This is the difference between MULT CO & DESCHUTES CO; one is rational, the other irrational.

Bend thinks that if they just keep up the PR, and keep rising valuations that things will fix themselves, ... The INVESTORS aren't that stupid.

BEND is toxic and going down to NIL, and not a fucking person in this town at county and/or city staff level is doing anything but Ostriche.

CACB is OUR BELLWETHER.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know a single rich rancher. I probably knew the dirt-stinkin poor ranch hands.

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There are tons of familys out there sitting on millions SIMPLOT holdings, and they manage the land, and get great pay, benefits, and life-style.

You just ain't hanging with the right people.

Most of the cowboys you mention are what we call drifters, they're usually from Montana, and float between rodeos looking to win the lottery, in and out of jail, always one step ahead of the law going between MT,ID,UT,OR, ...

The common people I have met over the years have big familys and either own the land, or manage it for SIMPLOT, and they all have a good life, and good health insurance.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Just noticed that CACB now sells for BELOW book value. Book is $280.1MM, while the market cap is down to $267.45MM.

Hey... when it gets down to $140MM, you'll be able to buy RE loans for $.50 on the dollar. Wait till she hits $5....

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

There are tons of familys out there sitting on millions SIMPLOT holdings, and they manage the land, and get great pay, benefits, and life-style.

I think I know where my next job is...

Anonymous said...

Hey... when it gets down to $140MM, you'll be able to buy RE loans for $.50 on the dollar. Wait till she hits $5....

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Excuse meee but this shit isn't marked to market, their assets are BEND RE, which has NO value,

I would be leary of their assets other than REAL CASH and/or GOLD.

Are these deposits?? Is it assets, I don't want to read their SEC filing, but I would be suspicious of their book value, they can't even mark-to-market because nobody even knows where the bottom is.

Anonymous said...

POPULATION STATISTICS: Yes, please, serve them up.

BRUCE: Pay no attention to the one or two assholes out there -- the rest of us think you're doing useful things.

BUSTER: Lighten up. Maybe you need a vacation or something?

Anonymous said...

I printed this here a month ago, this data came out back in January 08, and now in March 08, the fucking BULL publishes the data, and what about the new HPI data that is even MORE damning. Bend is so out of touch with fucking reality. The BULL is even questioning the metric's. The fact is Bend is fucked, because its a town ran by liars.

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Houses in Bend are overvalued, report says
Some disagree, saying the study’s data is incomplete
By Andrew Moore / The Bulletin
Published: March 06. 2008 4:00AM PST

Bend homes were 59.8 percent overvalued in the final quarter of 2007, according to a national report released this week by Cleveland-based National City Corp. That ranked Bend the most overvalued among 330 markets studied.

Citing statistical data that stretches back to 1985 (1986 for Bend), the report compares median house prices with other factors — such as population density, household income, mortgage rates and a “constant” that attempts to quantify intangible factors such as geography, climate and cultural amenities — to reach a valuation that shows how house prices differ from their historic norms, said Richard DeKaser, chief economist with National City.

“We crunch these numbers and then come up with a guesstimate of what home prices should be based on these historical prices,” DeKaser said.

The median sales price of a single-family home in Bend was $345,000 in 2007, 2 percent less than 2006, according to the Central Oregon Multiple Listing Service.
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Timothy Duy, an economist at the University of Oregon who follows Central Oregon’s economy, said the findings make sense.

“In the ’80s, housing was somewhat undervalued, then regained some fair value by the ’90s, then continued on and then prices took off and the takeoff was not related to what you consider as normal fundamental economics — like household income, population density and interest rates,” Duy said.

Any region in the National City report that has a valuation in excess of 32 percent is considered overvalued and presents a risk of price decline of 10 percent or greater, according to the report’s methodology.

That doesn’t mean house prices in Bend are about to free fall, DeKaser cautioned. First, he pointed out, the report has a 15 percent margin of error. Second, housing adjustments take time, he said.

“When we see an overvalued market, they have historically returned to normalcy over 3½ years,” said DeKaser, adding that growth in population and income levels can speed up the return.

Ruben Garmyn, the principal broker of Prudential High Desert Realty in Bend, disagreed with the report’s assessment. Garmyn believes most national reports miss the boat on Bend’s economy because they don’t take into consideration the impact on local real estate of a steady influx of retirees and professional workers who choose to live in Bend but commute or telecommute to jobs outside the region.

“Investors and baby boomers and commuters built up the (housing) market, but boomers and commuters are still coming here,” said Garmyn. “Yes, we are going through a downturn, partly driven by the media, but we are showing lots of property to potential buyers.”

Garmyn said his office is seeing more sales activity compared with the last three months.

DeKaser said the report doesn’t capture exact demographics but can generally include such individuals thanks to historic comparisons of population growth and household income.

Bend has been ranked as overvalued before.

The report cited Bend as the most overvalued market in the third quarter of 2007, with an overvaluation of 65.3 percent. Prior to that, Bend was listed as the third most overvalued market in a four-quarter span that began in the third quarter of 2006 and ran through the second quarter of 2007.

During that time, its overvaluation ranged from 70.2 percent to 65.2 percent.

By comparison, Bend had an undervaluation of 28.1 percent in the first quarter of 1986, the first year statistical data from Bend were included in the report.

Housing appreciation rates in Bend have been strong for most of the decade, and are a reason Bend’s housing market is considered overvalued, said research economist Armen Bedroussian with the Santa Monica, Calif.-based think tank Milken Institute. Bedroussian said demand drove much of the appreciation.

A separate study released last week by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight said home prices in Bend have appreciated 84.37 percent in the last five years, ranking it 12th in the nation. However, the study noted that home prices in Bend depreciated in 2007 from 2006 by 2.84 percent.

DeKaser said it’s “to a large extent, a mystery” how markets become overvalued.

“My thesis is that bubbles begin with fundamentally based strong price gains, so probably 10 years ago, Bend was an undervalued housing market,” DeKaser said.

The Bend market was 6.2 percent undervalued in the fourth quarter of 1997, according to the report.

“People discover that, move in and bring money and justify house-price increases,” DeKaser said. “But when it goes on for a while, a whole secondary set of effects plays out. Price increases engender price increases on their own, and this is what sets off the froth, when price increases outstrip those very legitimate fundamentals.”

The report said 21 market areas were judged to be overvalued in the fourth quarter of 2007, down from a peak of 65 in the second quarter 2006.

Duy and DeKaser said the Pacific Northwest seems to be the last region hit by the real estate slowdown. Most market areas deemed overvalued in the report are in Washington and Oregon, including Wenatchee, Wash. (42.2 percent), Longview, Wash. (44.2 percent) and Portland (41.4 percent).

DeKaser said most Bend homeowners should be unconcerned with the report’s findings if they plan on staying put. Those who are in trouble, he said, are speculators who purchased homes within the last year with hopes of flipping them for short-term profits.

Financial analysis firm Global Insight contributed to the report by National City, which is the 10th largest commercial bank in the U.S.

Anonymous said...

“In the ’80s, housing was somewhat undervalued, then regained some fair value by the ’90s, then continued on and then prices took off and the takeoff was not related to what you consider as normal fundamental economics — like household income, population density and interest rates,” Duy said.

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Of course they make sense, the only people that are in conflict is the fucking liars that run city-hall, and county-appraising. Folks ALL in Bend need to lie to feel good about their fucking IMPLOSION. This is why we have the HPI index to correct places like Bend that are ran by criminals.

Anyone want to place bets soon on how quick folks start bailing this hell-hole.

Correction, bend itself or the MTN isn't a bad place, the problem is the PR&MARKETING that HOLLERN built, a fucking economic house of sand.

Anonymous said...

Bend has been ranked as overvalued before.


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Yes by cnnfn 04,05,06, and 07,

Were always #1, we're bend

Anonymous said...

Ruben Garmyn, the principal broker of Prudential High Desert Realty in Bend, disagreed with the report’s assessment. Garmyn believes most national reports miss the boat on Bend’s economy because they don’t take into consideration the impact on local real estate of a steady influx of retirees and professional workers who choose to live in Bend but commute or telecommute to jobs outside the region.

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The thing is Garmyn is a REHO. So, what he says means nothing.

National City Bank that wrote the report is the bank, and what the report says is knock off 60% of what ever the appraisal says if your in loaning in Bend. Garmny infers that this report is just opinion of other realtors, buts its not, its a BANK report, and all the banks use this data.

This report means NO MORE MONEY for Bend,

Garmyn suggests the report ignores commuters ( wsj says they're being laid off ), and retirees ( no longer coming to bend ). This isn't true, the report includes a large detailed justification for the analysis that has been published here during the past month.

The fact is this report is damning, as all the banks are now going to look at the Deschutes County Tax assessor valuations, and knocking of +60% and saying that is the value, and you can only borrow 80% of that final figure.


The NATIONAL-BANK report is a correct index, and BANKS rule, realtors are nobody, all money comes from banks.

What NATIONAL is trying to do is make things safe for investors, not that anyone in BEND would care about investors.

No USA investor will ever touch Bend its toxic.

Anonymous said...

https://www.nationalcity.com/content/main/micro-site/economics/commentary-analysis/pages/documents/3Q2007Report.pdf

Metro Area 2007 Q3 Home Price Overvaluation
Bend, Oregon $320,100 70.0%

People should read the report for themselves, and the backup documentation that validated the death sentence for Bend, Oregon.

House Prices in America combines a statistical model originally developed at National City Corporation (http://www.nationalcity.com/housevaluation) with data largely developed at Global Insight. More information on Global Insight's housing valuation analysis is available at http://www.globalinsight.com/housingvaluation.

Anonymous said...

[ somebody post this on BENDBB, otherwise they'll just delete it, timmy ]

The actual report in PDF

https://www.nationalcity.com/content/main/micro-site/economics/commentary-analysis/pages/documents/3Q2007Report.pdf

Metro Area 2007 Q3 Home Price Overvaluation
Bend, Oregon $320,100 70.0%

People should read the report for themselves, and the backup documentation that validated the death sentence for Bend, Oregon.

House Prices in America combines a statistical model originally developed at National City Corporation (http://www.nationalcity.com/housevaluation) with data largely developed at Global Insight. More information on Global Insight's housing valuation analysis is available at http://www.globalinsight.com/housingvaluation.

What it means?? All valuations in Bend need a 70% haircut when estimating appraisal.

Banks have QUIT hiring appraisers, the way it works now is they use the county tax records, and apply the haircut factor. Which is HPI which right now is exactly 1/2 of 70%, or 35%. That means if your bend crap-shack has a $400k valuation, the bank will only loan you 80% of $250k. It makes things safe for investors.

Have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

Look closely what Garmyn says today, its almost exactly how BENDBB writes, they could be the same person.

Anonymous said...

Wait, let me get this straight. If I bought between 2000 and now I'm screwed?!?!? Your describing half of the county!
I love all the "theorists" here. Fact: the only ones "suffering" through this meltdown are those who overleveraged themselves or bought with less than 10% down and got into a bad ARM. Everything else is blather...

Anonymous said...

Fact: the only ones "suffering" through this meltdown are those who overleveraged themselves or bought with less than 10% down and got into a bad ARM. Everything else is blather...

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If you bought since 2000, and paid more than 10% down your going to lose your money, if you paid less than 10% down, your going to lose the banks money.

All prices in BEND are going back to 2000 levels.

If you think this isn't suffering, then whatever.

Anonymous said...

Yo...don't think we are going to 2000 medians of 160k..never happen..we may go to 230k or 240k. My humble opinion.
We are seeing some buyers already jumping into the market "even investors". Investors shoud be smater than that. But these must not be the ones still holding the flipper bags.

Another addition to the "Best Buyers Market in 20 Years"


From and arm of CORA:
We are soliciting stories for the tabloid newspaper insert of our "Best
Buyers Market in 20 Years" campaign. The deadline for stories is Mar. 17.
The tabloid is scheduled to appear first in The Bulletin on April 2,
followed by other local papers. The target audiences for the insert are
first-time homebuyers, home "upgraders", and active retirees. Our key
messages are large inventory, affordable financing options, and the
resources available to first-time buyers. We are seeking stories from
Realtors that focus on recent sales experience in this market, including
testimonials from first-time and other buyers who took advantage of current
conditions, especially people who just couldn't wait to move here and jumped
at this great opportunity.



Please send me your stories before the March 17 deadline so that we can edit
them into the first draft of the tabloid.

Anonymous said...

Holy Grail..RE folks, en mass, are dennouncing the over valuation of Bend. They totally don't believe that the study took into consideration that the median incomes are incorrect. There are so many rich retiree's here and that doesn't get reported. As well the second home owners are rich too and no income in CO. They also used the entire county incomes as the base of the median income. Well LaPine is way low as are many other areas..
How can one reason with them..Can't

Anonymous said...

Marge,

'REAL' Bend medians were at $280k last winter, and last fall $240k,

Today you can get a nice home in Bend for $220k, this summer it will be $200k, next spring it will be $160k.

Bend NAR/MLS medians suck dick, and are pulled out of COAR ASSHOLES, and don't mean shit.

I know what money can buy in this town. Given that over 50% of this town is under-water, well fuck that shit, but the homes that have equity, ... note that in 2000 you could buy a home for $120k. People who bought then well be damn glad to get back their money at $160k.

Time Marge, Time, ... ALL your RE brothers bullshit. Isn't going to put humpty back together again.

It's going down.

Anonymous said...

They also used the entire county incomes as the base of the median income. Well LaPine is way low as are many other areas.

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There are no jobs in this town Marge, you yourself know your ILKS days are numbered.

Less than 1 in 4 in Bend have a 'good' job. I suspect that MORE people in LA-PINES have MORE income and are better off than BEND?? WHY pray TELL? Cuz they didn't over-spend.

Bend is fucked, and the National City Bank report is right-on, and I have been posting the report and its analysis for months. Then there is the new HPI report.

I do concur that EVERYONE outside of Bend, thinks that BEND is FUCKED, and the realtors in Bend think its fine. Trouble is this National City Bank report Marge, this is where the fucking MONEY comes from, the money doesn't come from the fucking Realtors. Your CUNT BENDBB has been saying this shit like Garmyn for months that the report was wrong cuz it didn't take into account the retirees and rich people.

The retirees are FUCKED, and the rich have had their HELOC removed.

LApine is better off the same reason as BURNS, cuz at these places folks can live on $5/hr jobs , but in BEND people just burn their 401k's, ...

So Bend burns, and BEND-NAR says the rest of the world is wrong. Nobody gives a fuck what realtors think, they don't hand out the money. National City Bank's job is to protect the investors, what there saying is ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT would put their money into Bend.

The funny thing is the ONLY people in the USA that disagree with the REPORT are Bend Realtors. Go Figure.

Anonymous said...

Marge,

Why don't you post the stuff, the true stuff over on BENDBB?

Everything that I post there BENDBB deletes, like the Atlantic Monthly report this March 08, that says ALL STD's are going to become ghettos. BENDBB deleted that report in less than five minutes.

NOTHING negative is allowed on BENDBB, unless it can be spun.

IF you have the balls that you say you do, then post there, and start a real debate, everyone in this forum knows what the fuck is going on, there is NOBODY here to convince, you sure in the hell can't change my mind, I have been doing this RE shit forever I know exactly what is going on.

Right NOW its tell lies to the MAX, and sell your shit, and get out of Dodge, this place will be a ghost town next summer, this is what "best in 20 is about".

Bewert said...

Re:
BRUCE: Pay no attention to the one or two assholes out there -- the rest of us think you're doing useful things.


Thanks. It's nuts right now but I want to get this complaint done by Monday. Anyone who has the balls to put there name on it just tell me at bewert via gmail dot com.

Some things just have to change around here, as I want to stick around.

Bewert said...

On an aside, a received a personal comment that made me feel really good today. I'm a geek, througj and through, and last year I started sub teaching. My mother-in-law told to be a teacher forever, that "you would be great"

Anyway, I was out a High Desert Middle School today, subbing in the life skills program, as I have several times before. And one of the teachers told me that they were glad to see me, that my easy and productive way with the special needs kids was "getting around".

Cool.

Now to just put both together.

Hmmm...

Anonymous said...

Bruce,

Don't you think its time for a nap?

LavaBear said...

I stumbled out of the Brewery the other night and I swear I saw a realtor riding a horse down Bond St. yelling "The Rich people are coming, the rich people are coming!!!" He was carrying a lantern and was heading for the church over on Franklin. He muttered something about one if by Hummer and two if by Lear Jet or some shit. I'd had a few so I'm sketchy on the details.

I started to mention to him that "rich" people are pretty fucked right about now what with all that equity being sucked out of their mansions...but he seemed set on what he was doing so I let it go.

Bewert said...

Re: Don't you think its time for a nap?

Yep. That's when things sort themselves out.

BTW, the "rich people are coming" story is rich. Hope never gives up, you know.

LavaBear said...

Hope never gives up, you know.
***

Keep Hope Alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPxPciXcJvc

Anonymous said...

Mother Pussy said...
Bruce,

Don't you think its time for a nap?
===========

Best post outta 250+

It takes a Village to raise a Brucey Pussy. We be the Village; and we have our very own VillageBrucey.

Can't we all gittalong and sing Kume-Buy-YAAA?

Anonymous said...

3. Accept me as one of the boys (I'm a girl).

Are ya hot?

***
Hotter than Hell!

Now if you really want the demographics on Ben -- PLEASE let me the boundaries for the data. Do you want the whole county or just Bend city limits? Also give me a week or so: I can't just snap my fingers.

And just your butt-hole Butster -- I'm not talking to you.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Are these deposits?? Is it assets, I don't want to read their SEC filing, but I would be suspicious of their book value, they can't even mark-to-market because nobody even knows where the bottom is.

And that Idaho bank acquisition they did, no doubt put much intangible assets (ie Hot Air), on the asset side of the balance sheet.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Any region in the National City report that has a valuation in excess of 32 percent is considered overvalued and presents a risk of price decline of 10 percent or greater, according to the report’s methodology.

That doesn’t mean house prices in Bend are about to free fall, DeKaser cautioned. First, he pointed out, the report has a 15 percent margin of error. Second, housing adjustments take time, he said.


These 2 numbers, 32% & 15% are interesting, because it seems to indicate that they may be saying that if 32% represents 2 STD dev's above the "mean", or what they consider Fair Value, that Bend ranks almost 4 std dev's above their imputed mean.

It may not mean that. But if I were running this as a statistical exercise, it seems like you would determine the 95th percentile confidence interval, which is AROUND 2 std's, and say that everything within that could be considered "normal", and look at the price action of stuff at +/- 2 std's.

If this this IS what they are saying... then Bend was OVER 6 STD DEV's above the mean at it's peak. Folks, that is a one in millions...

My own feeling is that Bend is a solid +1 STD above the mean. But that economic factors & the mass overhang of the past 5 year building mega-bubble takes all that premium away... plus another STD.

We're headed for $190K medians.

But factor in "It's Going To Get Worse Than You Or I Thought Possible", and it's headed for $160K.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

What's funny is the "perceptual shift" toward that "Overvalued" label. That shit was a large & proud placard, raised high above the head of every RE-type in Bend 1-2 years ago. They were PROUD of that shit.

"You damn right we're overvalued! And it's going to get worse, by God, every fuckin day from now on! Every fuckin word on that report is Dead Fuckin Right, now & forever!"

Now RE's can't distance themselves from that thing fast enough. And they are REALLY backing away from the Cali-connection:

Sky's the limit?
Bend turned up 19th on a Jan. 3 CNN Money list of the most overvalued housing markets, just a few months after it landed in the top 25 of a similar list in USA Today.

Researchers at National City Corp. and Global Insight, a financial information provider, used a comparison of median housing prices and median local wages to produce the list published on CNN Money's Web site. Their analysis concluded that Bend's housing prices are about 56 percent overvalued.

There's a problem, though, with trying to evaluate the local housing market by comparing it to local wages, market observers say: Central Oregon's real estate buyers are coming from outside the region. Their ability to buy real estate in Bend is often more dependent on the value of properties they are selling in their former cities than it is on their ability to earn wages in the Bend job market; and, based on that measure, Bend's housing is not uniquely expensive.


Today though... not a mention of the Cali-train in sight:

Ruben Garmyn, the principal broker of Prudential High Desert Realty in Bend, disagreed with the report’s assessment. Garmyn believes most national reports miss the boat on Bend’s economy because they don’t take into consideration the impact on local real estate of a steady influx of retirees and professional workers who choose to live in Bend but commute or telecommute to jobs outside the region.

“Investors and baby boomers and commuters built up the (housing) market, but boomers and commuters are still coming here,” said Garmyn. “Yes, we are going through a downturn, partly driven by the media, but we are showing lots of property to potential buyers.”


Yeah, it's the MOTHER FUCKIN MEDIA, Ruben, you delusional dumbfuck. Since the Cali-train has completely derailed, they've moved on to "retirees & a steady stream of COMMUTERS" buying Bend RE.

Q: May I ask what you do sir, so I may complete your loan application?
A: Why of course! I am a Commuter, my good sir.
Q: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. What?
A: I'm a commuter. I commute. m I am also a "boomer". I boom.
Q: OK, how the fuck are you going to pay for this house?
A: I will commute & boom.


Garmyn, you are a fuckin moron.

Whether we're overvalued or not, these fuckin RE types ALWAYS find a reason that we should go higher... or even plateau at 4 STD's above the mean.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Hotter than Hell!

Pictures Please!

And hell, post both county & city stats. I'd be interested in both.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I stumbled out of the Brewery the other night and I swear I saw a realtor riding a horse down Bond St. yelling "The Rich people are coming, the rich people are coming!!!" He was carrying a lantern and was heading for the church over on Franklin. He muttered something about one if by Hummer and two if by Lear Jet or some shit. I'd had a few so I'm sketchy on the details.

Now that shit is funny!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

OK, I'm going to give a short little lesson on computing "Fair Value", since some are computing it wrong.

We're at $345K medians, and 59.8% overvalued. Because we're "60% overvalued", don't mean you subtract 60% to get fair value.

It means that:

"Fair Value" X 1.598 = $345K

OK, so divide $345K/1.598, and you get a National City Fair value of $215,895. And if you believe the idea that 1 STD = 15%, that's a STD error of $32,384.

I still think we're going to $190K, +/- a few thou...

Anonymous said...

I still think we're going to $190K, +/- a few thou...

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Homer, thats what we have predicted for a year now,

Since your finally dialed in and we're no longer talking about bruce's pussy. Let's add one more thing for the record, and make sure the above gets posted on BENDBB.

The fact is the National-City website has has notes, and takes into consideration all factors in BEND including parasite-retirees, and unemployed-telecommuters. For over a year now NATIONAL banks have said BEND is toxic #1 ground-zero, and OUR beloved REALTORS have said they're wrong. For the record HOMER will you please note for ALL that its what the banks that that matters, and NOT the fucking realtors.

Anonymous said...

FUCK the BULL homer, below is the actual report, and if you go to original site, because the work was done by global-insight, you'll see there is a methods PDF that goes into all the detail of how they analyzed BEND. All the sites are below, for anyone that wants to study the RAW data for themselves.

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https://www.nationalcity.com/content/main/micro-site/economics/commentary-analysis/pages/documents/3Q2007Report.pdf

Metro Area 2007 Q3 Home Price Overvaluation
Bend, Oregon $320,100 70.0%

People should read the report for themselves, and the backup documentation that validated the death sentence for Bend, Oregon.

House Prices in America combines a statistical model originally developed at National City Corporation (http://www.nationalcity.com/housevaluation) with data largely developed at Global Insight. More information on Global Insight's housing valuation analysis is available at http://www.globalinsight.com/housingvaluation.

Anonymous said...

Do you want the whole county or just Bend city limits? Also give me a week or so: I can't just snap my fingers.

- bitch

*

Hey Bitch,

We only want RAW fucking data, we'll make our own conclusions, just post a link, or post a XLS on bendbb, or bruce will put your data on his community site.

Around here people do shit, then talk about it, if you have data on population that is current ( not 2000 census ), and you have information on homes in the area actual count, and occupied/un-occupied, then post the raw fucking data.

Otherwise your just another bruce-pussy fucking talker.

Anonymous said...

https://www.nationalcity.com/main/micro-site/economics/commentary-analysis/pages/housing-valuation-analysis.asp?WT.vanity=HouseValuation

Homer, its essential to read the following paragraph below, from the report&methodology above. Note carefully the graph ( see report ) from the text below, most places other than Bend have corrected since Q2-2006, what Bend has done with their 'best in 20 campaign' and LIES, is artificially defer the correction that has already happened. Thus the report makes clear that Bend has not weathered the storm, but simply insulated itself, but the reckoning will be late and terrible.

****
According to our latest analysis, the incidence of
overvaluation is declining sharply. Twenty-one
markets surpassed that threshold during the fourth
quarter, down from 37 markets during the third
quarter. Overvaluation was most pervasive during
the second quarter of 2006, at which time 58 metro
areas were considered at high risk.

Bend, Oregon tops the overvaluation list, at 59%.

Miami, at 44% is the largest city at significant risk,
while Honolulu, Portland, OR, and Riverside-San
Bernardino also exceed the 32% threshold. Los
Angeles, Seattle, and Phoenix are notably close to
that mark.

Another way of measuring the degree of
overvaluation is by the share of the total housing
market meeting the criterion of overvalued. For
example, at its peak in the second quarter of 2006,
20 percent of all housing units in America were in
metro areas classified as overvalued. By the fourth
quarter of 2007, however, that figure dropped to a
modest 4 percent.

When looked at in market value terms,
overvaluation peaked at 39 percent during the
fourth quarter of 2005 and the second quarter of
2006. However, that measure has also fallen
dramatically, to just 7 percent during the fourth
quarter of 2007. Essentially we have, in a scant six
quarters, reversed the overvaluation generated
since the last half of 2004.


Over-Valued Housing Markets
Markets with 32%, or greater, overvaluation.

Anonymous said...

Homer,

One other thing I would like you next mention in the next blog, and perhaps BEM can help explain it you, if you don't understand the point.

Here two numbers from the REPORT.

Bend is 59% over-valued, thus you can take the median and divide by 1.59 to calc the true median value. Portland is 32% over-valued, thus you can divide by 1.32 and get $220k for median value.

Now here is MY point for the houses in BEND Deschutes County assessment for the bend case is close to $400k, yet in PDX a similar home is $200k. This is really important, the county/city drove up the assessment valuations of BEND, while PDX didn't!!!

I cannot stress this enough, I have looked at lots of other places in Oregon, and nobody has done this.

This is what makes BEND so fucking dangerous. Right NOW on HELOC USBANK in PDX is using the valuations of the tax assessor because they're below that of the NATIONAL-CITY correction ( $220k ), thus you can only borrow 80% of $200k.

Yet, in Bend nobody trusts the county-valuations, becuase they're insane. I myself saw my principal home here in Bend go from $300k to $400k this past year in assessment, yet if I were to tell today I couldn't sell for over $250k ( most likely less ). 2007 was a falling market, but Deschutes County tax valuation up 25%, this place is INSANE.

Anyway, look at the report bell curve, and like it says, most places have pretty much already corrected from 2006-q2, but NOT BEND we just keep putting out the PR&MARKETING, and NOTE even the county assessor is involved in the charade, my guess they think this helps.

Yes, in PDX they're not sitting themselves up for a fall, because the valuations are very conservative. In BEND the valuations are purely insane bullshit.

I find this all very interesting, and just one more example that BEND is the ultimate fraud.

Anonymous said...

***

["bendbb"]Predicting the economy is like predicting the weather, too many variables.

***

The weather is a random event, the economy is complete creation of man.

Bend was over-sold, over-marketed, and over-hyped for five years, and now its artificially boosted by PR&MARKETING.

Bend is NO bozeman, durango, flagstaff, or prescott. Bend is a desert out-cropping miles from any freeway where land was cheap, and a whole lot of MBA's were at the right place and right time to make a florida-swampland once in a lifetime bonanza. Cleaning up the mess is going to take years.

Man can not predict the weather, because the our computers are not yet capable of tracking every molecule in the atmosphere in real-time. On the other hand predicting the run-up, and collapse of Bend is a very trivial exercise.

Anonymous said...

For the past two months 'bendbb' has been denying the National City report, because it didn't take into account our rich, and retired ( BULLSHIT it didn't ).

Now the 'best in 20 crowd' have a new mantra, 'bend is like the weather, nobody can predict it'.

I say BEND-BULLSHIT.

Any fucking village idiot in Bend could have predicted that a town of lies & fraud was going down, I'll bet if you asked any of our BEND 5k homeless - To predict Bend - They would respond DOWN.

Now we're being TOLD that to ignore the evidence, because things are too complex. There is NOTHING complex about old fashion fraud.

This town is very close to running out of excuses. Like our NEW bitch here this week from NAR/MLS that promises massaged data on people in Bend by area & income, ... All you have to do is talk to people.

I know most of the 'rich' people in this town, and they're worried. This town don't have Bill Gates wealth, at best it has a little sports wealth, and lucky dot-com wealth ( google, oracle, microsoft, ... ) but them sports millions, and high tech millions were all dumped into the $5M crap-shack that was going to $10M cuz this was the next Aspen. A lot of people in this town are very worried.

Then there is the retired, they all came here and bought at $500k at BTOP with the idea of IT going to $2M, and then doing a reverse-equity for life, ... Now its all a nightmare the home is under-water, and the 401K is going dry.

Yea, BRING IT ON, lets talk about the weather, the rich, and retirees.

The HOME being a retirement piggy bank was always a con-job, sure a landlord can rent them, but its hard-work, the WHOLE fucking idea you could BUY a crap-shack in the desert and then have perpetual money forever was a fucking con-job. A whole LOT of people bought that CON-JOB, both rich ( >$1M assets ), and retirees. Now for the BULK of them its become a nightmare.

Yeh, keep marketing BEND, and keep telling the newbies that the all the NATIONAL BANKS are wrong about BEND being 70% over-valued.

Better be ready to pay cash if you want to BUY BEND RE, cuz NO FUCKING bank in the NATION is going to dump good money in this sewer.

Anonymous said...

For the record HOMER will you please note for ALL that its what the banks that that matters, and NOT the fucking realtors.

*

Homer will you please come out and say this, I think people need to remember that REALTORS don't create the money.

The RE crowd says bend is fine,

The bankers say bend is FUCKED.

Who matters??

The fact is this is an ugly situation when you have the realtors in 'wizard of oz' fashion saying "Pay no attention to that banker behind the curtain".

Note the appraisers are silent, they're already going down, and subject to fraud and criminal indictments. The county is silent, and the city-hall has its head up its ass.

I really think that this is the reason that county boosted the BULLSHIT valuations on HOMES to make it look like revenue was good, trouble is SOMEONE is going to NEED force the city/county to correct their 'vaulation', and its going to be MORE than 1.59, its going to have to be 2.0.

I tell you why county did it BONDS, this city/county is going into MAX debt, and they artificially MAX'd the valuations on property to make things look good, does anyone really think that MUNI-DEBT-BOND markets are this fucking DUMB???

Anonymous said...

NEGATIVE EQUITY in HOMES, NOW the most common kind of Equity.

** What more needs to be said about Bend?

Nervous homeowners and economic analysts have been wondering how much worse the housing market could get. On Thursday they got an answer: Plenty.
Foreclosures are at a record high. Home equity is at a record low. The housing market is spiraling down with no end in sight -- and taking people's sense of economic security with it.
For the first time since the Federal Reserve started tracking the data in 1945, the amount of debt tied up in U.S. homes now exceeds the equity homeowners have built.
The Fed reported Thursday that homeowner equity actually slipped below 50 percent in the second quarter of last year, and fell to just below 48 percent in the fourth quarter.
And that was just one example in a day of dismal housing reports.
The Mortgage Bankers Association said foreclosures hit an all-time high in the final quarter of last year. And pending U.S. home sales -- those in the gap between when a buyer signs a contract and when the deal closes -- came in below analyst expectations for January and remained at the second-lowest reading on record.
"There is no sign that we're near the bottom in the housing market," said Douglas Elmendorf, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former Fed economist. "Housing prices will probably fall for a year, two or three to come."
The trifecta of reports illustrates a housing market caught up in a "very negative, reinforcing downward spiral," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.

Anonymous said...

"This town don't have Bill Gates wealth, at best it has a little sports wealth, and lucky dot-com wealth ..."

What makes a town healthy and viable isn't a handful of super-rich people dribbling down their wealth on the unwashed masses, but an economy that allows most residents to earn a decent living. Bend doesn't have that since the timber industry died, and I don't see any way it will ever have it again. Selling the place on the basis of its glorious "lifestyle" won't work, because the lifestyle just ain't all that glorious. Unless you're really, REALLY into the whole skiing / snowboarding / mountain biking / rock climbing scene there isn't much to do, the climate is nothing to brag about, cultural amenities are nil, economic opportunity is nil and the place is stuck out in the middle of nowhere.

Bottom line: Now that the timber is gone, there is no real reason for Bend to exist. It is purely the creation of hype.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody remember how two years ago the Bush-pushers were touting the high rate of home ownership as "proof" of the health of the Bush economy? Haven't heard that lately ...

The current meltdown is the DIRECT and inevitable result of the right-wing insistence on deregulating the financial industry. The conservatives' chickens are coming home to roost. Too bad that in the process the rest of us are getting chicken shit all over us.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: Now that the timber is gone, there is no real reason for Bend to exist. It is purely the creation of hype.


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Prior to our last depression there was something called the roaring 20's, and folks sold Florida swamp land for untold amounts, text book MBA that only Mother Hollern could love.

People are going to look back at the bush-bubble ( hoover-hollern ) and say what in the hell were they thinking when people were paying almost a $1M for Shevlin Crap-Shacks, with nothin down, and INT-ONLY, and 5/1 arms.

The Hype that Hollern built NWXC albatross, Tetherow floundering.

Bend is all hype, the sad part is OUR taxpayer dollar pays, and still fucking pays.

Anonymous said...

We're at $345K medians, and 59.8% overvalued. Because we're "60% overvalued", don't mean you subtract 60% to get fair value.

It means that:

"Fair Value" X 1.598 = $345K


* HOMER BIG BOY

This is where now finally your DIALED-IN, but still not seeing the elephant, note that YOUR MEDIANS your here calling fair-value is PULLED OUT OF THE ASS of NAR/MLS/BEND. THIS IT DONT MEAN SHIT.

BEND is in paralysis. What USBANK is doing in PDX is how its going to work, appraisers are out.

You take county assesment, and multiply the fudge factor ( 1/1.57 whatever ), and then you take 80% of that, and that's IT.

Now in BEND county assessment is INSANE, I NOTE here you say FAIR-MARKET-VALUE, but what is that COMP's??? This is the problem, this is WHY smart banks (NON-CACB) are going this NEW route.

Tax Assessor Value (TIMES) FUDGE-FACTOR (TIME) 0.8 this yields what you can borrow.

I think if you apply the (1/1.57) fudge factor to most BEND-RE county-appraisal, and then apply 0.8 you'll get a damn good idea what something is loanable, and this is what counts.

Like I said earlier MY BET is the fudge factor for bend is (1/2.0) that would put my principal home which is now $400k ( worth $250k today in real market ) at $200k, and then applying 0.8 (80%) you would get $160k you could borrow, which means that in the real world of today I could only sell my home for $200k, given the buyer would have to have $40k down-payment.

Now this is how stuff is going to work, and appraisers are going the way of DODO, all the banks now have FUDGE-FACTORS and this is what you watch.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Seriously. It's getting bad in Bend. I'll give you that. But it's a lot worse else where. The front range is getting thier butts handed to them. Check it...

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=4241

Anonymous said...

The front range is getting thier butts handed to them. Check it...

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=4241

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Oregon is ALWAYS last to go up, and last to recover, just hold on to your britches new-comer, and focus on the pain else-where, but get ready for the pain that be Bend for next several years.

We were #1 for every category of insanity and stupidity, and there ain't nobody that's going to rescue this place.

Anonymous said...

Homer, this site is too fucking much, everybody focus on anything but fucking BEND RE bubble, that's the debate here folks.

You got bruce-pussy abusing kids at the high-desert museum (hollern-ville), marge trying to sell old 50's music, ... anything but the fucking bubble.

HOMER getting back to the fudge-packing factor for Bend, as I suspect running the number on my home here that I live in.

DeschCo Appr 2008/2007 $390k
[ from my nov2007 tax bill ]
zillow today $310k ( -21% )

Appraisal 2007/2006 $315k
[ from my nov2006 tax bill]

Value today $220k, if I had to sell. Maybe wishful, but this is my gut, if I waited one year, quick sell would be $200k.

Apply the fudge factor it all worked out fine.

Take the county appraisal of $390k and divide by 1.21, and get a zillow, and then another 1.59 (national factor) and get $199k. Which is what they'll now loan on westide inner homes such as mine, in this hood.

Mongolian siberian shit is $160k YEH, but between newport market and drake park you get a $40k premium, and thus $200k.

Today I could probably sell my house for maybe $220k, maybe but I doubt a buyer could get more than $160k from a bank, as its only going to be APPRAISED at $200k using the fudge factor and people have to pay 20% down, and banks will only loan 80% of valuation, and that be $160k.

Now lets look at the actual BEND fudge factor that be (1/1.59) (TIMES) (1/1.21) = 1.92 total integrated FUDGE factor for Bend.

The 1.21 is because county appraisal is way over the national estimate ( zillow ), and the National factor tells you the over-value.


I predicted that the Bend fudge factor was 2.0, and I was very close at 1.92.


So whats a HOME worth in Bend?? You can either use county and apply the integrated factor, or use zillow and just apply the National number alone. I haven't done enough research on other homes I know real VALUE to work back, but I do know on other homes in Bend I have that the county appraisal is on average 20% over zillow.com, and I know that the zillow.com on average is close to 50% over-value.

This is how banks are now looking at appraisals, so get used to it,

Have a nice day,

Anonymous said...

Now I'm going to compare the factors with a friends pdx house.

Zillow is $280k ( SE PDX HOME )

County Appraisal $198k MULT NOV 2006

Here note that the COUNTY is WAY less than the zillow. The zillow is basically correct, but PDX is now one year inventory for $280k this house could sell in a year, but to sell quick it would have to be priced less than $250k.

Now let's apply the fudge,

The National City fudge factor for PDX is 1.32. Given that the COUNTY is less than the zillow it doesn't make much sense but to do a median on the two. Zillow is closely based on REAL COMPS, and is a useful metric.

Apply 1.32 to the raw zillow number you get $212k. But lets go farther in this case the median is 280k-198k/2 => 41k+198k = $240k, apply the fudge factor you get $181k.

Now in PDX right now what USBANK is doing is using COUNTY-APPRAISAL period, but when the zillow like in this case is above the COUNTY then they'll do a drive-by to make sure its a nice house, to validate the value over the COUNTY. In the case of this house, its one of the nicer homes in the hood, which is what drops the COUNTY-APPRAISAL is the hood. While zillow seems to compare wider zones.

The zillow with national correction seems to indicate what a home would clearly sell for in today market.

The total integrated fudge factor is what you look at on what a bank will loan, on this home the bank will only loan 80% of the low county-appraisal period. So what they're doing is taking the lower number and plugging that in, if you contest then you can demand a drive-by to push up the estimated value.

All this exercise is interesting because it can give you a rough idea of how banks compute what cash you can get with a purchase or REFI, or HELOC based on todays public information, e.g. zillow ( or equiv ), or COUNTY-TAX assessment.

What is MOST interesting IN MY HUMBLE opinion is the what of whack between PDX and Bend, here the homes are comparable, that of my friend, and mine here in Bend, yet ...

In Bend my home is according county worth 20% more than zillow, and yet in PDX a COMP home is worth 30% less. The fact is MULT-CO (PDX) is-was conservative on their tax assessments, but BEND is-was insane. I really think the reason is that BEND ( DESCHUTES CO ) is specifically over-valuing their RE in order to qualify for ADDITIONAL MUNI-DEBT, its going to take a long time for Bend to get the over-estimates corrected and extremely painful.

In summary this is all just more more example of HOW FUCKED Bend is today.

Anonymous said...

The reason I bring up the front range is the record number of forclosures. Since Bend is so overvalued shouldn't WE be breaking records for forclosures? Espcially since we were rated so close to overvalued cities in Florida?

Anonymous said...

1339 NW Milwaukee, BEND CO TAX (DIAL)
2007 358,130 108,870 (30%)
2006 278,350 105,700
2005 203,870 102,630

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In a ONE Mile radius of my home near Newport Market I found ONE HOUSE that has sold on ZILLOW, it sold for $230k, and the zillow est was $286k.

So lets apply the numbers. The DES-CO fudge factor was 358/286=1.25, Using National Total Fudge is 1.99.

Now lets divide the 1.99 into $358k, is $179k, and just the NC fudge is $225K. Remember it just sold for $230k.

The Jan 04 for this house was $166k, so its seen a huge run-up.

Value Range: $227,600 - $304,415

Let's try taking the value range,

$142k-$191k, This home $ per sq ft: $265, Honestly the person over-paid for this house, I also think the zillow PPSF is a little high, but the point is clear.

$180k would have been an ok price for this house, this person over-paid.

Thus the total integrated fudge factor analyis is holding, I now think it may be closer to 1.92, remember 1.59 is the national city correction, and the 1.20 is the fact that COUNTY over-appraised bend crap-shacks.

There is NO fucking way in hell these bastards should have bumped valuations by 30% in 2006/2007, given that the market peaked in q1-06, and has been downhill since, its all FRAUD politics pure & simple.

Anonymous said...

Since Bend is so overvalued shouldn't WE be breaking records for forclosures? Espcially since we were rated so close to overvalued cities in Florida?

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This is OREGON, we're NOT efficient in such action, it takes in general over a year from the time you quit making payments to hit the road, and often a foreclosures is not public until the auction, you can look at pre-foreclosure which lists those on the 90day late list, but not all banks report this private information.

All you can really watch is what is going to bank auction, and its going to be over the next few years before this shit hits the court-house.

Florida and Georgia are efficient, in GA they can sell your house while your in it, with 30 days late, IN OREGON you the home-owner have the law on your side, it takes forever, me thinks this is a good thing for the little guy.

Anonymous said...

Here's another one from zillow, over the year I have said MEDIANS don't mean shit, and stuff is already going for nuttin, here's another one that sold recently inner NW bend, for $219k. I'll provide a little history before we pack the fudge.

1425 NW Elgin Ave BendOR 97701

ZESTIMATE®: $253,500 What's this?
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The Value Range is the high and low estimated market value for which Zillow values a home. The more information, the smaller the range, and the more accurate the Zestimate. See data coverage and accuracy table

zillow est is $253k, but it sold 11/2006 for $219k, so you can see zillow est don't mean shit, its a falling knife, and they ignore actual * Value Range: $210,405 - $273,780

TOT: 265,610 73,940 206,590 71,790 151,310 69,700

This house its WHO YOU BLOW. The zillow is above county-appraisal.

This home $ per sq ft: $301, this is an 800 sq-ft house.

Applying the NC fudge of 1.59 against the county-tax value = 265k/1.59=166K

THE ZILLOW est is less than county, so that fudge-factor can be ignored.

This home started in 2004 @ $142 went to $342k, and today is zillowed at $250k, but SOLD in NOV06 for $219k, using todays FUDGE its estimate is $166k, the buyer over-paid BIGTIME.

The real thing here is medians, and of course PPSF for these little homes.

The exercise here is still to find what HOMER calls the Fair-Value, not sure what that is based on size of home, and some quality factor??

One thing is certain, using the average zillow conservative sales figures, that prices are down, since 2006 high this home has dropped in zillow value from 350k to $250k thats a 29% DROP. BEND RE NAR/MLS wouldn't have you know this house in particular HAD an ASK of $400k in the day!! So basically we're already down 50% from the HIGH, given the home just sold recently for almost $200k.


FOLKS were down and BIG from the HIGH, and BEND RE/MLS stats don't mean shit.

Another thing with this house is to apply the 2007 zillow-est to the NC fudge-factor, so $300k/1.59=$188k

So lets work backward by PPSF, thats $235/sq-ft a little too much for an 800 sq-ft one bathroom, two bedroom hobbit house.

2004 PPSF was $177/sqft for this house, still too much at $142k.

So what's it worth today?? I really think the $188k number is correct, an the bank would most likely only loan 80% of that.

Anonymous said...

Hotter than Hell!

Pictures Please!

And hell, post both county & city stats. I'd be interested in both.

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Yeah right -- I'll be sending you photos real soon (maybe when I buy a sweet house near town with a good-size yard for under $200,000).

However, I will send the population counts, but I do need a couple of weeks.

BTW, I'm not going to the trouble of obtaining superior population demographics if no one is interested. So Bite Me Buttster with your bullshit "we do things then talk about it" crap.

Also I don't know who wrote the message saying "send raw numbers and not from the 2000 Census Bureau" (probably Buttster again) -- but I can tell you don't know shit about pop demographics. So leave the numbers to me. You'll get them the way I give them to you.

Anonymous said...

1475 NW Baltimore Ave

Here's another FALLING-KNIFE that someone caught at $315k dec 14,07 SOLD

This home per sq ft: $326

TOT: 299,360 106,350 238,070 103,260 178,720 100,260

Note tax HIKE in 2007 of 25%.

The zillow estimate history is ...Value Range: $287,960 - $338,040, with an estimate of $311k, this person OVER-PAID & BIG!!

The chart show a $460k HIGH ASK and a present of $290k, thats a 37% haircut from 2006 high.

What's it worth?? zestimate is higher than tax. First lets plug the NC fudge into the high $460k/1.59=$289k, that's even a little too high.

Tax correctional 299k/313k = .95

.95*1.59=1.51

$338k/1.51 = $233K ACTUAL VALUE, bank would loan 80% of this

This person WAY over-paid, note the 2004 value was $159k.

That says it all.

One this is clear, the taxes are NOT reliable except when compared to other factors, its seem that a median of county-tax and zillow high-end should be used with the NC fudge factor, this is going to take a lot of homes to come up with meaningful data.

ONE THING is CLEAR this home is down already 40% from the high in a world where NAR/MLS MEDIANS say Bend hasn't gone down that much.

A few people were still way over paying, but NOTE closely there isn' more than 2-4 houses that have even sold in the lowlands west of drake park in the past year, not a lot of data, but stuff is that has sold is way down from the HIGH-ASK price.

Correctional factors are only for banks trying to figure their safety factor.

It's still NOT clear what number to use for Market-Value before applying the correction value, maybe we should work backwards.

Anonymous said...

You'll get them the way I give them to you.

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Thats typical here, MLS gives us SHIT WITHOUT any validation,

Garbage In - Garbage Out.

Raw Data Show your source, pull shit out your ass, and put it back in.

What we need is real population income by area, and occupied home count, if your not smart enough to get the data in raw form and document source, then go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

What we need is real population income by area, and occupied home count, if your not smart enough to get the data in raw form and document source, then go fuck yourself.
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Bite me dipshit. By the way, retard, I'm not with MLS. What are your GIS credentials? Please share them -- then we'll talk!

P D'oh -- I'm going to ignore Buttster or his clone and the bs he's spewing. I'll send you the pop counts when I get them. I'm curious myself to know how many people are actually in and around Bend: not just they hype the city/state are posting.

Anonymous said...

THE HOUSE AT

1475 NW Baltimore Ave

HAS HAD MAJOR UPGRADES. YOU FAILED TO TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT.

Bewert said...

Re: Can't we all gittalong and sing Kume-Buy-YAAA?

I think I dreamed about that last night.

Hey, mstucker, a guy who works with my wife is thinking about buying a home. He has a young female broker with about a year's experience that is salivating at the possibility. His wife has been hooked but he still has cold feet. I showed him BB2 and BEM's board so he could do some research. He is leaning towards looking and renting for awhile longer but it sounds like his wife has the hots to get in debt. It's going to be 3% down first time homeowner deal. His gut is right, but he's having a hard time with the wife. She even called about it while we were looking at NODs on BEM's board.

I told him they should talk to you, if you would agree. Let me know.

PopGoesBend said...

1475 NW Baltimore Ave

Here's another FALLING-KNIFE that someone caught at $315k dec 14,07 SOLD


Yep. I'm the seller. I got out just in time to a seller from out of town. When I listed it in November I put it up at $319k. The Zestimate was around $360k. There is no way in hell I could have ever gotten 460k for that place. ever. If I had have listed it at the peak it probably would have gone for 360k.

The price per sq foot is a bit off as there was 1280 sq feet of living in the house. It was an older remodel that doesn't show up at the county.

The real sale price was $309k as I paid 6k closing costs.

It was a nicely built solid house with real insulation.

By the time we are done it will probably bottom out at 200k or a bit under.

Anonymous said...

1475 Baltimore

Thanks for identifying yourself, Timothy. We are honored to make your acquaintance.

Anonymous said...

http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/598661734.html

Oh look, the Plaza is back.

Anonymous said...

Bruce,
I would be glad to talk a 1st timer out of potentialy losing his 3% down and an additional 10 to 12 %. I have a past client that wants to dump 900k in bend RE as his muni's are crashing. I would love to sell him 3 houses, but if he just stays in an MMA or CD's at least he won't lose money. If he buys houses he'll likely end up way down in 3 years and not get back to even in 20 years(maybe).
I would give the same speech to anyone. Several good brokers I have spoken with believe we will end up somewhere around a 220k median at the bottom. We may still have rose colored glasses on. So if your wife's coworker bought a 250k house now and had to sell it for some reason they will be under water and stuck in our town for years. Are they ready to gamble that much? Lose 90k or so in a year or so? RENT RENT RENT !!
Maybe you can just email this to them. Either way, you can PM me if you want.

Bewert said...

Re: Either way, you can PM me if you want.

What's the address and system? I tried to go to your Blogger ID page but there's nothing there.

Bewert said...

BTW, you are right in the ballpark. It's on Hollygrape, out south off Brookswood. If I remember right they are asking $255K, so I told him to at least lowball them at $195K.

Bewert said...

FYI--Looks like Tetherow just got a capital influx. See http://recordings.co.deschutes.or.us/TempImages/107057791517824.pdf

$48,150,000 from an entity called iSTAR FM LOANS LLC in Delaware.

So it looks like that golf course will open yet. Can't wait to play it. I think all of us Widgi groundpounders will be over trying it out when it does.

Bewert said...

Wow, check out Para 7 in that loan agreement:

Power of Attorney. Borrower hereby irrevocably constitutes and appoints Lender as its true and lawful agent and attoreny-in-fact, with full power of substitution, to demand, receive and enforce all rights of Borrower, as an owner with voting rights under the CC&Rs and Bylaws, to modify, supplement and terminate the CC&Rs and Bylaws, to file, pursue, receive payment and acquittances for or otherwise compromise each and every claim Borrower has or may have against other owners...Borrower hereby agrees to deliver to Lender, upon Lender's written demand, all instruments and documents as Lender may reasonably require in order to permit Lender's succession to the right, title, and interest of Borrower in and to the CC&Rs and Bylaws as provided herein...

Can you say bend over and take it with a smile? Man, they must have been really fucking hurting for money.

Anonymous said...

OPPs..no PM on this blog try
margebend@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Here's another FALLING-KNIFE that someone caught at $315k dec 14,07 SOLD

Yep. I'm the seller

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Small FUCKING WORLD or what, in a MILE-RADIUS of meeee home 4 crap-shacks have sold, and one of dimm be one of our own, ... small fucking world or what, its a small Bend after all.

Anonymous said...

1475 Baltimore

Thanks for identifying yourself, Timothy. We are honored to make your acquaintance.

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So, are you suggesting that this is our own timmy-twat?? I don't think so, popgoesbend is a reg @ bendbb, and TT has his own admin, I don't think they're the same, tim, I hate to tell you this, but its a common name.

Small town yes, common name yes.

Anonymous said...

Hi my name is chrissy, I work at St. Charles, I can't tell you my name, and I can't tell you my sex, but I have a big deep cunt, and 35C titty's.

I have the demographic data for surgery for all of Bend. I can post it here if you wish, all the penis implants in Bend, and breast implants, and sex alteration, and hormonal therapy.

I don't know if you people want this information or not. It will take me awhile to collate this information.

This information is not for butthead, only for people that want the information. If you don't want the information tell me and all I'll not work very hard for months creating the data for you. Yes, there are prosthetic photos of all our patients in the data.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that was bubble data needed to survive this bubble AT LEAST THE LOOK AT THE 50'S was as good as a couple beers. Who waas that masked sicko?

Bewert said...

Re: Yes, there are prosthetic photos of all our patients in the data.

You sure they are not photos of Anonymouse hiding his family jewels?

Anonymous said...

For a good time in Bend, margebend@gmail.com

Anyplace anytime.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Hi my name is chrissy, I work at St. Charles, I can't tell you my name, and I can't tell you my sex, but I have a big deep cunt, and 35C titty's.

Chrissy seems confused about Keeping The Mystery Alive.

tim said...

If you people think Timothy is my real first name, you're crazy. (But yes, Twat is my real last name.) And no, I didn't post at all yesterday afternoon. I sold my house 2 1/2 years ago, and it wasn't in Bend.

I'm not about to out myself the way Sally Heatherton did at the blog meetup.

Anonymous said...

The Saturday AM WSJ is the worst I have seen to date, all the banks are imploding.

Good news that printed this on a Saturday, non trading day.

PAGE-ONE TITLE USA is in a Recession.

FBI in Countrywide, Carlyle hit hard, thornburg seized, the biggest job loss in five years. More people 'pushed' into working second jobs.

DOW off 10% for the year, yeh the stock market is great place to keep your money.

Probably the most interesting on the personal side, is that Restaurants are cutting back on 'cuisine' and going more egg&bacon, &potato.

tim said...

It's not clear that Citi will survive. I think Sandy Weill created a big mess that was built to fail.

The gov't is preparing for the loss of hundreds of regional banks. You know, the ones that brag about reinvesting locally.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I think Sandy Weill created a big mess that was built to fail.

One of the strangest ironies is that WEILL & Prince Al-Walid bin Talal are the Best Of Friends. Weill made Al-Walid BILLIONS.

Money it seems can overcome even the deepest religious biases....

LavaBear said...

Money it seems can overcome even the deepest religious biases....
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I'd spoon with him for just a single billion.

Anonymous said...

DOW off 10% for the year, yeh the stock market is great place to keep your money.

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So Paul-doh! how's that rent and invest elsewhere strategy of yours doing this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

LavaBear said...

So Paul-doh! how's that rent and invest elsewhere strategy of yours doing this year? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I have no idea about -doh, but I have a CD from Wells Fargo paying 4.7 apr and a FDIC insured gamble CD from Countrywide at 5.3% apr. Other than that I've been shorting the DOW (dog), S&P (sds), and emerging markets (eev) being the bear that I am. All have been kicking ass.

See that's the deal. That one house is as diversified as it will ever be. Once shit hits the fan it's not easy to reallocate. The cash I can move almost too easily these days the maximize gains and minimize loses.

Anonymous said...

Other than that I've been shorting the DOW (dog), S&P (sds), and emerging markets (eev) being the bear that I am. All have been kicking ass.

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You're the exception, because few people have the knowledge or stomach to short stocks so most are losing money in their brokerage accounts these days.

Anonymous said...

Hi my name is chrissy, I work at St. Charles, I can't tell you my name, and I can't tell you my sex, but I have a big deep cunt, and 35C titty's.
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Hi Buttster -- you want your raw data? Just bend over and look North.

tim said...

I've had my mom in TIP, DBC, and BEARX. She's on a roll.

I haven't done as well as her lately, that's for sure.

tim said...

Sale Pending sign on one of those Newport Moderns.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

So Paul-doh! how's that rent and invest elsewhere strategy of yours doing this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

Hell... watchin' it pile up.

I sure as hell ain't trying to make money. I don't want to lose any.

Anonymous said...

2852 ft. on the kitten cannon

Anonymous said...

Time for some perspective BB2 denizens ... someone(s) here are mentioned Austin TX being a great place (vs. Bend). Well not according to all Austinites. Here's a post related to a week-long festival taking over the city (just to prove no place is perfect):

"You're right about Ruby's sucking, but your attitude is exactly why I moved from Austin 10 years ago after living there five years. It grew exasperating to see such a mediocre, if manifestly pleasant, town taken so seriously by its denizens.

"'Austin cred' is cheaply enough come by, my friend. It ain't exactly Berlin or San Francisco. However much it wants to be in the same class, it never will. Meanwhile, all new development is identical to Dallas, and hipsters, such a hot commodity in 1993, are more common than cockroaches in almost any American city. Austin is and ever will be dependent on kids from Temple or McAllen who come to UT and are dazzled by their 'big-city' experience. Nice swimming holes nearby, though, that's for sure."

Anonymous said...

Time for some perspective BB2 denizens ... someone(s) here are mentioned Austin TX being a great place (vs. Bend). Well not according to all Austinites.

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Twenty years ago Austin was a cool college town, twenty years ago Bend was a cool little desert town.

Neither are cool today.

So fucking what.

What does it take you cunts to stay focussed on the Bendbubble??

What part of the below don't you all understand??

BendBubble2

Debating the Bend Oregon Real Estate bubble, its implications for Bend residents, businesses, and the economic outlook for this area.

Anonymous said...

Forty years ago I kept my money in German Marks that went 7 to 1, then 1 to 1. Then Swiss Franks did the same, they they went EURO, ever since the EU has only gone astro, all the while the dollar became worthless.

Today Chinese Yuan which used to be 10 to 1, and now 7 to 1, in a few years the Yuan will be worth more than a dollar.

Think about this that means for every Yuan you bought, you get back ten bucks.

The dollar is dropping like a rock for the past 20-30 years, and will continue this is how the USA will compete, in a few more years the Chinese will be having their Chinese-Walmarts with everything labeled 'made in usa'.

Anonymous said...

Debating the Bend Oregon Real Estate bubble, its implications for Bend residents, businesses, and the economic outlook for this area.

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I read the above and all that comes to my mind is bruce finger banging himself while napping, and Marges boobs, and then there's Bend Oregon.

It seems like 1-1/2 years on these blogs what have we accomplished like BEM asked over a year ago. "Are we still relevant?"

p.s. Will someone post the BULL on Duncan seems like Duncans got his 15 minute of fame that media whore, ... he'll pay the price, never mix business and politics dunc. The BULL is NOT your friend.

tim said...

No need to post the article. It's available (although they might lock it later). Lookin' good, Dunc. You're a star, baby.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/NEWS0107/803080412/1001&nav_category=

Duncan McGeary said...

Never turn down free publicity for your business, bilbo....

Duncan McGeary said...

The shit has hit the fans, boys and girls. Go...now...to Bend Economy Bulletin Board, and read how the real estate reporter for the Bulletin was fired for getting in his editor's face about the misleading headlines and white-washed stories. Apparently the Bratten story was the last straw.

I'd reproduce it on my blog, but since they don't even mention the reporter's name, it's still a bit fuzzy.

But I'm going to point it out on my blog tomorrow, with the label of 'rumor'....I think a lot more is going to come out about this.

Anonymous said...

"What makes a town healthy and viable isn't a handful of super-rich people dribbling down their wealth on the unwashed masses, but an economy that allows most residents to earn a decent living. Bend doesn't have that since the timber industry died, and I don't see any way it will ever have it again. Selling the place on the basis of its glorious "lifestyle" won't work, because the lifestyle just ain't all that glorious. Unless you're really, REALLY into the whole skiing / snowboarding / mountain biking / rock climbing scene there isn't much to do, the climate is nothing to brag about, cultural amenities are nil, economic opportunity is nil and the place is stuck out in the middle of nowhere."

Why else would you live here? Sounds like you don't get it...why stay? That's what Bend was before you got here and that's what it is now...only with a bunch of kooks driving around in their SUV thinking about "how this town sucks and how there is nothing to do here". If you came here for anything other than a low key lifestyle and some outdoor activity, you should probably leave soon. It's cold here in the winter and the roads are tough on shiny cars with shiny wheels. It amazes me, the number of people who live in Bend who don't ski,cycle,fish, hunt, boat...why do you live here? The climate is actually very nice if you consider that we get 400+ inches of snow about 20 miles from Bend but we only see a couple of feet in town. Go move to the valley for a winter and then see how you like Bend's weather. It's 45 degrees outside on the average winter day and the sun is usually poking through the clouds. Bend is still a great place for the right kind of person despite the large migration of kooks over the last 5 years.

I think we will see a large exodus of people over the next 24 months and I do think this town is going to suffer from the RE fraud that has been happening here. However, the town is still full of good people who love it here and know how to live the low key/poverty with a view lifestyle. Bend will recover...somehow. Hopefully now that the tree has been shaken, some of the kooks are going to fall out.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

2852 ft. on the kitten cannon

Damn!

My wife does not understand the subtle vagaries of playing kitten cannon. Shooting a cat, and watching it hit trampolines, dynamite, and missiles tied to balloons is just wasted on her.

Anonymous said...

Interesting week in The Bulletin's business section.

First, The Source comes out with this blurb on Thursday ...


Quote:
TV isn't the only one getting into the act. A little bird told us that a reporter across town, well known for his real estate coverage, walked out when editors insisted that he spin his latest story to emphasize the positive side of the housing slump.
Oh, well, what's one more fairy tale in makebelieveland?


That caused Bulletin Executive Editor John Costa to fan his line editors through the newsroom to assure everyone that said real estate reporter had really been fired for lying about being sick.

Which didn't play well with a lot of the staff, because this email had already made the rounds for a couple of days ...

Quote:
Charlene: (Apparently meaning Sharlene Crabtree, the Bulletin's Human Resources Director) Here's my response to the March 4 Separation Notice:

3-4-2008
I did not "lie about being sick." I took two days off after an article I wrote for the Feb. 26 paper was edited by my supervisor, Business Editor John Stearns, in such a way as to remove any facts or opinions that tended to disagree with a public speaker's rosy predictions for the local real estate industry. As I told him, my intent was to carefully consider why that particularly editing job, which I viewed as dishonest, upset me, and to calm down enough to rationally discuss the issue with him.

When I returned, I was not "questioned about the days off" -- I initiated a meeting with Mr. Stearns and told him, without prompting, that I had not been physically ill but needed two "mental health days," in my phrasing, to determine how I should best discuss my future with the paper with him in a calm, rational way, rather than forcing the issue when I was angry and confused.

I told him during that meeting on Feb. 28 that I felt that the editing job on my Feb. 26 story was part of a pattern of editing that included misleading headlines, sources being banned from my coverage, story ideas getting spiked, and odd pre-story cajolling, all of which seemed designed by the executive editor to generate more favorable coverage of the local real estate market than I have thought was best in the two years I have been assigned to cover it for the paper. I further told him that, although I believed that the articles I had written for the paper were as thorough and as accurate as I could make them, the utter hack job that was done on my Feb. 26 story had led me to conclude that the paper was not willing to cover the industry as honestly as it should, given that the housing market -- which is economically important to the paper -- is now in the midst of a steep downturn.

I asked to be shifted to another beat, including others that had been identified by the executive editor as important to the paper's overall coverage, such as the business of medicine, or the banking industry. I told him I felt that I would be allowed to cover those beats "straight," without what I perceived to be the editors' emotional desire to slant coverage of the real estate market.

He denied that the paper's editors intended to color the news and criticized me for taking the days off, rather than confronting him with my concerns immediately. I told him again that I felt that I needed the time to clarify my own thoughts before I attempted to have a discussion with him, but if he felt the days weren't covered by our sick leave or vacation policy, I would be happy to take them as unpaid time off.

Stearns told me on March 3 that he had discussed my request to change beats with the executive editor. I don't know what was discussed in that meeting, but I was fired the next day.

In conclusion, there was no violation of the ethics code. I was quite honest about my reasons for not coming to work for two days, and was, I suspect, fired for stating those reasons to my supervisor.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to respond.


According to a quick look at the edit trail in The Bulletin's computer system, apparently what set him off -- finally -- was an edit job on a story on Dana Bratton's pie-in-the-sky real estate "forecast" speech last Monday that scrubbed paraphrases from Bill Valentine and Brooks Resources honchos Kirk Schueler and Mike Hollern, all saying that they think the downturn is going to last a whole lot longer than the April 25 turnaround date that Bratton ladled out to the adoring real estate crowd at The Riverhouse.

That pesky stuff got axed on orders from Costa, who told his business editor to "stick to what was said at the meeting."

Out, too, went a section that pointed out that the ridiculous predictions that Bratton made last year of a quick RE turnaround also -- uh -- kinda failed to pan out.

Which left the good readers of Bend with the vision of Dana Bratton, grand real estate prognosticator, predicting that everything will be hunky-dory by May, contradicted only slightly by those notorious pessimists at the National Association of Realtors, who actually suggested that sales might not turn around until late this year.

Could it be an accident that all of this is happening a week after the Realtors and Builders announced their "Best Time in 20 Years to Buy a House" campaign? Complete with plans for a good, old-fashioned media blitz?

Journalism at its finest, and right here in River City.

tim said...

I hate the Bulletin.

I once asked Fischer why he wasn't reporting the build-up of the inventory (way, way back when). He told me he could only report what people told him. I said, "but you're only listening to Realtors," and he said, "who am I supposed to listen to?"

Sounds like he was probably suffering over a couple years with the knowledge that he was helping to lead some readers to slaughter.

Anonymous said...

However, the town is still full of good people who love it here and know how to live the low key/poverty with a view lifestyle. Bend will recover...somehow. Hopefully now that the tree has been shaken, some of the kooks are going to fall out.

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Fuck You Bob Woodward, Your all going to fucking starve, the RE bubble is going to turn this fucking town into a wasteland.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Duncan McGeary said...

Never turn down free publicity for your business, bilbo....


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I hadn't read the article, but its light and fun, and not really about you more than anyone in particular.

Nothing new there, but do beware, they have now printed your picture, at least they steered totally clear of the RE mess.

Just nice fun stuff, ...

Anonymous said...

This whole issue of golf is a huge wildcard. I'm looking at houses in the 1 million range, and about 2/3 are golf course houses. I don't golf, so I'm not considering any of them, but they are the 880 lb gorilla in the high end market. The recent article about decline in golf was interesting. The Orion Greens situation, the Broken Top debacle, all lead me to think golf houses may pull the entire high end down.

I never thought they would expand forever, but are well heeled operations like Pronghorn really under pressure?

What do you see? Massive golf course real estate bogey?


Good post about time.

1.) For the history go back the orginal Homer-Williams court case in 1998, its public record, you can search google. The Deschutes County Judge, on Broken Top case ( homer williams was owner at time, before he sold to bauhofer ). The Judge rule "That ALL golf courses in Bend The golf course is NOT a right to the home-owners, its NOT a park, its simply a marketing tool.


Today you have Highland@Broken-Top right next to the new Tetherow without a golf-course and that is special. One of their main selling points is "YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE". The fact that they didn't have a golf course is what SOLD OUT ALL THE LOTS.

Then look today at Tetherow, they're struggling even to sell lots.

EDCO last year said their were 24 golf resorts in the Bend area, and another dozen coming online this year. Golf is Dead, and today, distancing yourself from a golf resort is the secret to making money on investing in high-end lots.

It's over. Yes, BT & Widgi are great courses, and so is Sunriver. Redmond is going to be offering their public course so cheap that everyone will have to drop the price below $50/game.

Tetherow will open above $250/game, its going to be game-over for Tetherow on day-one.

Tetherow will be the last for the area, it will be seen as the golf-course that broke the camels back.

Now lets go back to the judges decision, because this is critical. HOMES DONT SELL ANYMORE, thus what is the purpose of a golf-course?? TO SELL HOMES.

In SUMMARY golf-courses NOW have NO PURPOSE.

This is the fundamental fact that needs to be understand, they have NO PURPOSE.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like he was probably suffering over a couple years with the knowledge that he was helping to lead some readers to slaughter.

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Not good on your resume, so what did you used to do??

"I was a patsy at a third tier paper in a Siberian desert town that thought it was Aspen"

Yep, I don't know how old Fischer is tim, but you don't want to be the last one on the good ship BULLy-pop.

The BULLshit is going down and hard, I predicted layoff's this past xmas, it sounds like NORMAL (abby-normal) attrition instead.

Hell they don't even need reporters, as we know all they do is print press-releases.

Get the BULL off your resume ASAP, quick, and don't walk from BEND, RUN.

Anonymous said...

Dunc is right today, the SHIT is hitting the fan,

It really is the perfect storm for BULLshit, spring is upon us, and it ain't coming back.

The advertisers are out of money, the as Marge has said this is food-stamp time for the Realtors.

The MTG biz, has anybody tried to do a REFI or similar lately?? I have AAA+ credit which means above 780, and I'm getting the run around on all kinds of deals.

This is what I mean by a perfect storm you have a town of 60k ( my guess ), and 1/2 the town WAS feeding at the RE pig trough which went dry two years ago, ... WHO IN THE FUCK is the BULL lying to?? Only the tourists, but they ain't coming anymore.

It's a KLUSTER-FUCK, and that's why the reporters are JUMPING-SHIP. Even they see the writing on the walls.

Thus DUNC is write, the SHIT has hit the fan.

tim said...

I overheard this comment the other night. This was someone who works in the tourist industry...

"I don't know what's happening. We were way down last month." (pause) "Oh god, I sound like a Realtor." (nervous laughter)

Anonymous said...

Sheriff Hollern, is running away from Bend, Oregon.



Brooks Resources Chairman Mike Hollern said the company sold the last Awbrey Butte property in 2005 and has decided it’s time to get out of the business of CCR enforcement.



http://www.tsweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2577&Itemid=71

Anonymous said...

My wife does not understand the subtle vagaries of playing kitten cannon. Shooting a cat, and watching it hit trampolines, dynamite, and missiles tied to balloons is just wasted on her.
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that thing is obviously an man thing (you guys never seem to outgrown childish boyish things). no offense, just an observation.

Anonymous said...

I overheard this comment the other night. This was someone who works in the tourist industry...

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It's NOT so much that Bend is a pariah, its just that HELOC is GONE, the Home-Equity loan is GONE.

People are getting laid off.

Fuel is UP, my guess is that up to 80% have put travel on hold.

Thus BEND, a town 100% dependent upon tourism, given that we had a three legged chair, and two legs RE & Construction are gone, now the third leg 'tourism' is gone, and for a long time.

There's NOTHING we can do except cut spending, and hunker down.

It's TIME for city-hall to KILL all discretionary non-essential non-public safety spending.

Anonymous said...

I hate using Dubya analogies, they're cheap - duncan [ another god of patience and kindness like timmy ]

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'Cheap' but true, the BULL, COVA, COAR are doing their own SURGE.

Like it or NOT dunc that's what they're doing with OUR money, just like DUMBYA.

What do they have to lose? Not their money, and if they quit, then its OVER, so just keep spending COVA/VCB taxpayer money, and running 'best in 20 campaign'.

Your witnessing OUR own Bend-Surge dunc, call it CHEAP or not, just like the NAZI analogy's people say they be cheap [ godwins law ], but if you know your third Reich history you can always see the parallels.

COSTA has nothing to lose, and everything to gain from the SURGE, and if a few reporters quit thats a good thing, its the chinese cutting off the monkeys head theory, this tells the other reporters to 'keep your FUCKING mouth shut' and get with the program.

You MAY not agree with DUMBYA's surge dunc, but it worked, rather than admitting failure, he has managed to pass the fiasco on to the next term.

The "Best in 20 years" is simply an attempt to delay the inevitable collapse of Bend, it will be 1-2 years before the FEDS step in to loan money, right now its impossible to get money, this is why the home behind you hasn't sold.

Nobody will loan in Bend, because nobody knows what it is worth, I wrote a lot about this on BB2 this week, about how to apply the HPI and National-City fudge factors, but nobody seems to know how to value Bend. Partly because our county assessments are a fraud themselves.

Everything in Bend is a fraud and COSTA has NO choice, its like Friedman its either SURGE or prison, Friedman can't lose INN@7thMTN, and COSTA can't lose the best in 20 war.

In 1-2 years the FED will have worked out the valuations of BEND, and guaranteed money will be available, until then the BULL MUST fight the war with our money, and buy themselves time.

Anonymous said...

However, the town is still full of good people who love it here and know how to live the low key/poverty with a view lifestyle. Bend will recover...somehow.

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Thank you for the balanced commentary. Very nice to get a new perspective on Bend.

And thanks for ignoring the myopic Buttster (or his clone) -- he just ain't happy unless he's shitting all over everyone. Maybe he's not even happy then. I wonder why he's not out living in a shack in the woods far out away from everyone, ala, the unibomber.

Duncan McGeary said...

Good news, Bruce! You can now retire your website!

The Bulletin's lead article in the Perspective section.

"Juniper Ridge Q & A

Putting questions to rest about Bend's planned development."

See...they've put all questions to rest.....

So just calm down you. We've got your answers....

Anonymous said...

Do you think the butt packing is recessing? I am afraid it is still sticking. I question why anyone would question the MLS stats and prey tell why you think they are skewed. I mean it... What do you question and I will try to answer. As far as I know it's just striaght data.

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