- Awbrey Point (9 homes) -7.4%
- Awbrey Heights (7 homes) -5.0%
- Bonne Home (6 homes) -4.4%
- Shevlin Crest (7 homes) -4.1%
- Boyd Acre Crossing (8 homes) -4.0%
- Center (7 homes) -3.9%
- Three Pines (9 homes) -3.9%
- Quail Pine Estates (6 homes) -3.7%
- Gardenside (10 homes) -3.6%
- Tillicum Village (6 homes) -3.4%
Here are the 10 largest subdivs & their AVG losses:
- Deschutes River Woods (61 homes) -2.1%
- Northwest Crossing (54 homes) -1.3%
- RiverRim (51 homes) -.7%
- Broken Top (38 homes) -.9%
- Awbrey Butte (33 homes) -1.9%
- River Canyon Estates (27 homes) -1.7%
- Inn of the 7th (23 homes) -3.3%
- Lava Ridges (19 homes ) -.6%
- Whispering Pines (18 homes) -.7%
- Rivers Edge Village (18 homes) -1.5%
Now, I looked into that Awbrey Point loss of 7.4% on the 9 homes listed there. That's a really substantial loss, with the AVG price on those 9 homes going from $397,911, clear down to $368,600, or over $30K/house. That is a large, almost "concerted" decline. So I looked at the listings, and could quickly see a pattern. EVERY SINGLE home in Awbrey Point was reduced between Sunday, Aug 26 and Wednesday, Aug 29.
It was kicked off on Sunday by Nancy Melrose, of Melrose Realty. She whacked MLS listing 2702963 for a righteous 17.2% markdown (cumulative, 4th price reduction), from $459K, to $379,900. She also spanked MLS 2702961 for 12.9% (cumulative, 2nd reduction), down to $364.9K from $419K. According to BendBB's tables, both these townhomes have been listed since December 2003. Yes, 2003 (although I sort of wonder if that's real) (ADDENDUM: Ooops, that's because they're NOT! These were listed on Mar 12, 2007. My bad...). Strangely, MLS shows construction dates of "2007". And MLS interior shots show them both to be vacant.
Now, of course it's hard to say if it was "reaction" or coincidence, but every single other home in that subdiv was then reduced in the next 3 days. MLS numbers 2705471 (down 8.8%), 2705463 (down 7.8%), 2705470 (down 9.6%), 2705448 (down 7.8%), 2705466 (down 8.5%), and 2705468 (down 9.3%). (There was also another home, MLS 2708395, that was reduced 3.5% on Aug 28).
ALL these homes are listed by a single Realtor, Eileen Dees, at Steve Scott. Now look at her MLS numbers...2705448, 2705466, 2705468, 2705470, 2705471.... Them's builders numbers. Those badboys have been vacant from Day 1, most built in 2006.
I find this sort of interesting. It tells me that either builders are REAL tired of paying carry on these white elephants & want them MOVED, or Realtors are starting to have heart-to-hearts with their clients about waking up & smelling the REALITY. Dees & Melrose seemed to engage in a little competitive reduction here. Hell, maybe it's the same builder with both Realtors and (s)he said SELL! And there may just be the beginnings of a cascading reduction in prices. Sellers & Realtors are LOOKING around and reacting to lower comps by lowering their own price. A price reduction contagion? It could happen....
It's pretty tough to figure out what big swaths of stats like this mean, there's just so much. But it seems telling that in this instance, there is a decided "competition" to mark down price. Completely deluded sellers with ridiculous asking prices seems to have been the rule to date, 100% enabled by their dumbass Realtors. This little Awbrey Point sample seems to indicate that maybe... FINALLY... these people are waking up to the fact that:
1) Ridiculous pricing will simply impede EVER selling
2) If the guy next door marks down, YOU better mark down
These two facts, while almost inanely stupid commonsense, have been largely absent from the Seller Mindset in this town for 5 years. Wildly idiotic prices, and comparable pricing by listing brokers that looks like it was done with a dartboard.
I (used to) pride myself on being able to drive by almost ANY property, and coming within 2-3% of the ask. Hell, I don't even guess anymore. My wife will show me pics in the local mags of homes for sale, and cover up the price, and ask me what I think they're asking (we are an exciting lot). 4-5 years ago I could read the description, and about half the time hit it within $500. Now? Someone could be asking $150K.. or $300K... or a million. I have no idea. This IS NOT usual or normal. It's pie-in-the-sky pricing. And until a fairly well-informed person can guess within 2-3% of what a home owner is asking, our market will remain UNHEALTHY. People HATE uncertainty. Especially when it's uncertainty regarding the largest purchase in their life.
Wow, I've seldom taken such a beating for saying that there actually MAY EXIST some homes in the Bend area worth buying. Even Duncan questioned the Bearish conviction of Paul-doh! I put out the usual caveats, that I thought Bend RE is a BAD INVESTMENT, that this (possible buying of a Bend home) really only works for long term owner/occupiers, and the like. Still, I got whomped. So maybe I'll try one more time to describe what I think about Bend RE prices, in graph form:
See, I think there are "Normal" times for Bend & most cities throughout the World, when RE is priced fairly appropriately given local incomes, or even Conveyor Belt incomes, when appropriate. As was pointed out in a recent Bulletin article, Bend medians in the late 80's were around $50K, while the rest of the US was closer to $100K. We were probably moderately undervalued back then. Our local economics stunk, and consequently so did our home prices. We were the Flint Michigan of Oregon. We had low prices, and we deserved it.
This is in sharp contrast to today. Admittedly, Bends economy has improved vastly from the Bad Old Days. It would have been hard for it to do anything but. But has it improved so radically, that we deserve one of the largest premiums in the country over the national median? I don't think so.
As a matter of fact, I think our high prices will be our undoing. They are proving to be more than just a short-lived affair, and companies are starting to make long term plans based on our high costs. For the most part, they are leaving. This can't be UNDONE. Once they're gone, getting them back will be near impossible. Seaswirl is NOT coming back to Culver. Oregon Woodworking... gone. Columbia Air... On life support. There are many others that are packing up & leaving or are already gone. These companies are dead & gone (or damn close), and they are not coming back. Our city leaders have chosen to expend resources to ramp up industries that are notoriously low paying. Housekeepers CANNOT afford $400,000 homes.
Anyway, the above graph more clearly illustrates what I think about the Bend market. Virtually ALL homes are priced FAR TOO high. FAR TOO HIGH! But there does exist a small (but growing, as prices decline) percentage that are within eyeshot of normalcy. "Eyeshot" being defined as 2.5 STD's above the mean in "Normal" times. I define "normalcy" as $190K, or so, medians in Bend. And there does exist a small number of people who HAVE TO come to Bend, and either by choice or necessity, HAVE to buy a home. I was simply pointing out what I thought were "relatively" inexpensive homes... not straight out inexpensive homes. I don't believe there is even a single INEXPENSIVE home in Cent OR. NOT ONE.
OK, finally for FIRE YOUR LAZY ASS REALTOR. OK, yesterday I was on a beer deprived bender over on BendBB's board, essentially saying that sellers should DEMAND that their Realtors show up to EVERY SINGLE showing of your house. EVERY SINGLE ONE. After all, these are strangers in your house, you have no idea what they are doing, or what they're like. I also pointed out that one of the first persons to look at my house when I was selling initially represented himself as looking at my house "for a client". He was a licensed Realtor, and this "story" later proved to be false. It was kind of weird, this single guy who showed no credentials just wandering through our house. It was creepy. I mean, I don't think he stole anything, but he had no problem lying to me right off the bat. You absolutely should have someone representing you AT EVERY SHOWING. PERIOD. But ESPECIALLY when you are not there. And really, you should NEVER be at a showing, it is your Realtors job to be there. And I got this response, ostensibly from a Realtor:
so question, if I am a listing agent and I have 60 + listings and 6 of them are being shown at the same time, how am i supposed to be at all 6! get a life, if you hire the best they will be busy marketing you home to buyers and other realtors. You don't hire a realtor to attend showings, you hire to spend their money and make an monatary investment in marketing your home at no risk to you. Maybe I should ask you up front to fork over the money to advertise you home...how would that make you feel? Wrong isn't it? then demanding we spend all our time working one single listing, when we have many other to service as well.
Here was my response:
so question, if I am a listing agent and I have 60 + listings and 6 of them are being shown at the same time, how am i supposed to be at all 6!
Excuse for not doing your job. Here's the solution, listen close:
LIMIT YOUR LISTINGS!
I know. I came up with that in less than 48 hrs. I've been asked to speak at MIT. Nobel Peace Prize, that is.
get a life, if you hire the best they will be busy marketing you home to buyers and other realtors.
2 WORDS: STOP DRINKING AT SILVER MOON EVERYDAY.
And stop trying to imply that MARKETING takes more than 10 seconds per decade. Yeah, I know, I've done it.
"Hi, Marketing Jerks, here comes a fax. Market it. "It's overpriced", is the sum total of my knowledge of the situation. OK, bye."
You don't hire a realtor to attend showings, you hire to spend their money and make an monatary investment in marketing your home at no risk to you.
Nice. THANK YOU for telling me, OSTENSIBLY YOUR FUCKIN' MEAL TICKET, WHY I'M HIRING YOU. At NO RISK to me? What's that Big Ass Wad of cash you deadbeats take? Chicken feed? At no Risk, my ass.
"ATTENTION JEWS! We are offering a NO RISK shower. STEP RIGHT UP!"
Maybe I should ask you up front to fork over the money to advertise you home...how would that make you feel?
It'd make me feel like I'm doing an FSBO, much the way I felt while my house was listed a few years back by the laziest sack-a snot that ever walked this planet. Actually this would be a FAR PREFERABLE business model than what we have today:
"HI, I just got my GED & I'm a Realtor. You're selling your house, please name your astronomical price cuz I'm too stupid & lazy figure it out. Could you hurry, I have some "marketing" to do at Silver Moon."
Wrong isn't it? then demanding we spend all our time working one single listing, when we have many other to service as well.
Right. My Realtor could ONLY ATTEND THE 3 SHOWINGS HE DID FOR MY HOUSE EVERY WEEK: Sum total weekly time spent; 1 hour at showings, 1 hour commuting. See, that's a problem when your an alcoholic, meth addict, or in mens restrooms, or whatever it is you do 65 hrs/week.
OK dude, I feel bad for you. Your a lazy-as-hell listing monkey who ain't worked a day in 5 years, and you caught wind of some heretical bullshit that suggests YOU WORK. I know, I'd raise hell too. But it's a fact, you're going to have to start working, put that Realtor/GED license to use.
This just burns my ass. This lazy bastard is trying to tell ME that he's TOO BUSY to do his job. "Other listings" and all. "What am I supposed to do?", he says.
You lazy sack of shit, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK! I have paid almost $60,000 in commissions since arriving in Cent OR, and was essentially ABANDONED once the listing contract was signed. WORST SERVICE EVER. Well, "SERVICE" is a misnomer, since I've basically NEVER RECEIVED ANY SERVICE.
My God, this ONE differentiator would probably result in a gold mine of listings. This ONE THING. Personally, I would go immediately to a Realtor offering to do this. Will it happen? Look at the above Realtor reply. Lazy sack of crap is too busy telling me exactly what he will do for me, which is precious little, rather than listening to what I want. Lazy bastard.
My Advice: INSIST, and I mean by GOD DEMAND, that your listing broker go to EVERY SINGLE showing of your house. DEMAND IT. Those lazy bastards are making HUGE MONEY, and every single seller, whether individual with a $80K cracker box rusted out mobile death hole, to a 100 unit multi-million dollar luxury home builder, EVERYONE should demand their Realtor be at EVERY SINGLE SHOWING. The second they think about putting a lockbox on the door, FIRE 'EM.
It is EASILY accomplished, especially given the fact that homes now sell about as often as leap year. Demand it. Those bastards should EARN that money, and the LEAST THEY COULD DO is actually accompany TOTAL STRANGERS into your house. It's just insane not to have someone you know & trust in YOUR HOME. If your Realtor will not go to every, single showing from now on:
FIRE THEIR LAZY ASS
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It's all old shit, over and over and over again. Self flagellation and inability to see past your stupid blind hatreds. No rescue in sight for you either.
p.s. Notice that now we're getting more and more RE Ho's on this website trying to turn the ship around, ...
Actually, I have noticed. My panties have been in this much of a bunch for months...
First of all when coming to this blog read the old shit
It's all old shit, over and over and over again. Self flagellation and inability to see past your stupid blind hatreds. No rescue in sight for you either
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Then WHY are you here? We're OLD DOGS, were not going to change.
Your the one flagellating yourself by being here. We simply call things as we see them. I have been in Bend a long time and have seen several boom/bust cycles, I don't think this will be much worse than prior.
I do think all you get-rich-quick Amenity Locusts will go crazy when you see the Bend of 1983 return. Just yesterday walking around I noticed that at least +10% of retail was just empty. Just like Hans, This isn't much of the tourist town if 1/2 the town is empty of shops. Also notice that 1/2 the shops are boutiques and HAIR shops. Note that our MTG, RE, & TITLE are the primary 'LOOK-GOOD' for these dozens and dozens of BEAUTY SHOPS, and NOTE there is no point of looking good when there is NO JOHN cash.
There is NOTHING new here, and thus yes, there will be repetition. What is different this time is that the developers OWN and RUN the town, that nobody has paid for infrastructure, thus this time the town will be bankrupted, which means MORE TAXES on property, and HUGE business license fee, which will drive MORE business out of Bend. ...
Lastly, SOMEBODY in this pathetic shit eating town has to tell the truth, if YOU CAN'T handle the truth, then go read the BULL or the SORE.
>>Just yesterday walking around I noticed that at least +10% of retail was just empty.
Oh, on that note, bye bye Boomtown.
Oh, on that note, bye bye Boomtown.
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CD's are dead Fred Meyer 5yr sales on CD's are down 95% in gross store volume in all stores in State.
Nobody can be in the CD biz, the only biz that works these days in music is LP sales. Vinyl is HOT, and can get top dollars, CD's are not even worth their weight in plastic. Kids these days ALL rip music on the internet.
Thus ALL business models like boomtown are dead,
" ... in ALL RE depressions its the BIG high maintenance homes that fall the most."
Not if you're talking about the REALLY big, expensive (multimillion-dollar) homes. The market for them never goes soft because the truly rich (NOT the faux riche of Bend) can weather the economic storms.
"A recession is when the money goes back to its rightful owners." -- Proverb
" ... in ALL RE depressions its the BIG high maintenance homes that fall the most."
Not if you're talking about the REALLY big, expensive (multimillion-dollar) homes.
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Where the HELL do they find you? Go study the Great Depression. Big high end homes always go empty, because in a depression nobody can afford to maintain them.
Look up at Highlands at Broken Top, the +$5M homes of Bend, 90% of the owners up there are NFL, and NBA this shit is going to tank, its exactly these kind of people with their FAUX wealth, like the 1920's, nobody wants to maintain a home with 20 brs, and 19 bths, and a 24 stall garage, our 'athlete' might entertain in good times, but this shit is what always gets hit the worst in an RE paralysis depression.
Dartagnan, your getting more fucking dumb by the day.
All of Bend is FAUX wealth. Borrowed money, equity pools under water, HELOC, high income earners putting ALL their income into RE, as told by their CPA, ... Bend is falling like a rock, and the big shit is going to get hit the worst, and the little -1200sq-ft for real people will settle around $180k, and be affordable, the +1M will get hit the worst. Always this way, throughout history.
In the last ten years we have had several booms, and living high on the hog on debt. All the FAUX rich I know own massive +2M homes, that today couldn't sell for $1M if they even could find a buyer.
But this is NOT the problem, the problem is these 10k sq-ft homes require +10K/mo just to maintain, dozens of services are required, to keep the big stuff +$5M from going to seed. They get dumped because no body can afford the burn-rate, thus ALL want to dump, but there are NO buyers. This is why high-end gets hit the worst. Basic depression 101.
p.s.
A recession is when your neighbor don't have a job, and a depression is when YOU don't have a job.
I think that ALL these part-time athletes and their mansions are to going to get hard, because the BIG bucks in sports will get hit hard.
Bend will get hit hard, the poor bought 2 or 3 shacks, and the 'riche' bought +2M$ mcMansions in order to 'invest', some will be able to survive, those that have reliable income, like bankruptcy lawyers. BUT MOST that have moved here in the past five years were counting on selling their mcMansion for 2X, most that I KNOW right now are drawing down on their savings, as you can only get 5% these days with safety. People were counting on the +15% ROI on Oregon RE forever.
I have a lot of 'rich' friends that have quit eating out. A lot of people have quit taking trips to Europe 2-3 times a year.
Lastly, where the fuck are these rich? I know that the city targets them, but if you go to Brasada, or Pronghorn, or Tetherow office in Bend, what you see is time-share, 10% interest in a cabin, little dumb ass white trash shit. The RICH aren't being targeted its the kind of people brought into a casino town to pull a slot machine that are buying their piece of Bend.
The rich I know can't go because their RE will not sell, and their NOT going to survive the +5 years its going to take to break even. Hell even Hollern thinks its going to take 20 years.
Show me the truly fucking rich, I know a lot of people in this town, and I have met very few truly fucking rich. I know a lot of people that maybe got $5M in stock in the last ten years, but that to me is NOT rich, and besides most them blow through the money.
The thread started with your assertion that BIG houses survive, I delved into the rich because MOST of our bend rich are FAUX-RICHE, and cannot afford the burn rate, they don't clean their own house, they have to pay landscape, ... Security for these gated community's is a fortune.
Most important is that once you get above $1M your dealing with less than 5% of the market. My assertion here all along is to own $180k homes and lots of them, and you'll lose little to nothing on the down, and HUGE on the up, as these homes went to $500k in recent years.
IN MY FUCKING BOOK, anybody that bought BEND RE in the last five years and put over $500k into debt or payment is going to get fucked, and stay fucked for twenty, I hope your 'rich' enough to afford the cash burn.
There is an excellent editorial in todays BULL about Juniper Ridge, by a guy name Schneider.
One thing I notice, is that NOBODY seems to have the balls to mention KURATEK, they just reference him as if he were an institution.
There is also a little story from the BULL that says nothing.
One thing very interesting, now with the secrecy deal they're saying even council didn't read the shit, so surprise NOBODY knows about Juniper Ridge?
Shit I do, how? Chamber of Commerce by freedom of info, has demanded all the docs, and they can be found. There is NO fucking reason that the BULL can say that not even council doesn't know whats going on with Juniper Ridge.
This WHOLE secrecy thing gives the BULL and SORE an excuse to be SILENT, and now we learn that council is silent. Hell why don't we have secret elections and secret candidates...? Lets go all the way...
Bend is getting so fucking bizarre. One thing Schnieder does today in the editorial letter-to-editor is use the emperor with no clothes analogy that I have been using for months on JR. Note that ALL in council admit they have NEVER read any JR doc's, or even the Les Schwab deal, but they all claim its a great deal.
Is this not alice in wonderland, or emperors new clothes?
In days of old such stupidity was that folks were afraid of being beheaded for telling the truth. What pray tell is the reason for lap-dog attitude with everyone in this town?
I really think the body snatchers have stole the brains of 99% of bend. I think all the wine and bacon-tempura at the deep, has fucking jellied our elites into a fucking food coma.
Notice that now we're getting more and more RE Ho's on this website trying to turn the ship around, ...
Actually, I have noticed. My panties have been in this much of a bunch for months...
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I agree I just wish the RE Ho's would come up with some new assertions of why the Bend Bust is over. I know its got +5 years to go down, and I haven't heard a fucking intelligent fucking assertion from any RE-HO.
All I see here are personal straw-man attacks. Intellectually boring.
We know exactly what will transpired, and most of us have been +99% correct for the past year.
Thus I ask the RE-HO's to start providing solid info on their assertions that Bend is NOT going to go into the fucking toilet.
Hell its already there, just yesterday the BULL said developers wouldn't have to pay the new increased SDC fee's. Thus even now we're heading to sewage nightmare. The council doesn't even have the balls to FORCE developers to pay even 10% of actual cost. Just pass it all on to the city budget. Problem is city budget is fucked, as its ALL going to KURATEK and BROGMAN ( Les Schwab ). Thus NOBODY is paying for sewage, someday the BULL will tell us we have a problem, surprise!
SDC costs are $60k in Bend, the city makes the developer pay $12k, and is trying to raise it to $18k, and the developers have told the city council they'll get recalled if they don't back off.
Trouble is THERE would HAVE been NO BEND BULL RE had the service fee's been actual. ALL PROFIT the developers have made to date is off the back of the taxpayers. This problem is actually BIGGER than Juniper Ridge because its NOW a $3Billion dollar problem.
Juniper Ridge can and will be forgotten, but the inattention to infrastructure needs will bankrupt Bend.
Note that our MTG, RE, & TITLE are the primary 'LOOK-GOOD' for these dozens and dozens of BEAUTY SHOPS, and NOTE there is no point of looking good when there is NO JOHN cash.
What is a RE-HO? What is "John Cash"?
What does it means to be all dressed up in Bend with no one to blow?
I noticed the coffee shop in NWX is now closed on Sundays. Shouldn't Sunday be a big coffee shop day in a residential neighborhood?
I go once in a while, but never on Sundays. Too much other stuff to do.
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That's the saddest little coffee shop in Bend, or near Bend I should say.
Even in the day there was never more than one person, generally M-F theres a few commuters running in for a to-go, weekends, its just a ghost-town, like all of NWX. Think construction workers, but they're not there on the weekends.
Besides the bake goods @ sage are no good, and the coffee mediocre. The little girls that got in there don't have a clue.
Worse is the realty office next door, for NXC itself, that is even sadder than the coffee shop.
Can somebody tell me why Bend screwed Brenneke ( tom ) and his brother ( paul ) out of $6M??
Are you people in Bend just a bunch of crooks?
Is it to be expected that every outside investor in Bend gets shafted by the locals and the court?
Is there justice anywhere in Deschutes County?
Is it to be expected that every outside investor in Bend gets shafted by the locals and the court?
Actually YES. Bend is using the hostile take over of the BT Club as an example to any outsider who thinks they can come into Bend and take over the place. These bandits didn't do their home work. Now they are screwed.
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. Bend is using the hostile take over of the BT Club as an example to any outsider who thinks they can come into Bend and take over the place.
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Let's look at the facts the current owners of Broken Top Club are two 8 year old girls, daughters of Paul Brenneke. How is that tough guys in Bend have to orchestrate a hostile takeover against children?
What chance when Seattle wins venue, and a Seattle jury gets to hear the specifics, what chance is there of a decision in favor of a corrupt little desert town ran by two bit con artists, common street trash, and hustlers?
The whole world will know the truth about Bend, destroying a child's Trust Fund.
Bend is evil.
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Standard BULL SDC story, note Bend is fucked, Prineville is in a world of shit, and Redmond is sitting pretty. Like I have predicted all along. Redmond will come out of this largely looking like a champ, and will lead Bend as the financial/business capital of central oregon. While Bend will be like Sisters just a cheap little tourist town with lots of shops selling 'cotton candy'.
The real story this week, NOT touched by the BULL is that builders are refusing to pay the raise in Bend SDCs from $12k to $18k ( still short of actual $60k ), but they use the comprised figure of $13.5 as it were a done deal. Too bad developers/builders run Bend, and not the citizens.
Cities weathering housing slowdown
But lower fee revenue could hit some public projects
By David Fisher / The Bulletin
Published: September 16. 2007 5:00AM PST
Central Oregon’s residential construction industry has slumped throughout the year, but trouble in the industry apparently hasn’t crept into city budgets, public finance directors say.
At least, not in a big way.
And not yet.
Most cities in Oregon depend heavily on fees collected on new construction to pay for building inspections, new streets, sewer and water lines, and parks.
Building permit numbers were down 57 percent through August this year compared with the same period in 2006, according to data tracked by Cascade Central Business Consultants President Don Patton.
The slump has spread fairly evenly through Central Oregon’s main housing markets, Patton’s numbers show, hitting the less-expensive housing markets of Crook and Jefferson counties as hard as the pricier markets of Redmond and Bend.
Still, local government projects have yet to be hit hard in most areas for a couple of reasons: Cities banked reserves during the boom years of 2004 through mid-2006, and big fees on large commercial construction projects — at least in Bend and Redmond — are picking up some of the slack.
“It’s a situation we are watching and are somewhat concerned about,” Redmond Finance Director Chris Earnest said Thursday. “But it’s not a dire situation. We are certainly not in a crisis.”
A brief look at the effect on public finances in three of the region’s largest cities:
Bend
Delays in major transportation projects may be the biggest fallout in Bend if the construction slowdown continues or deepens, city Finance Director Sonia Andrews said, although big commercial building projects have so far helped to ease the decline in income.
Cities levy fees called system development charges, or SDCs, on all new construction to help cover the costs of population growth on streets, sewer and water systems, and parks. In Bend, each new single-family home is charged $13,400. Commercial projects are generally charged much more, depending on the amount of traffic they are expected to generate and on the size of their sewer and water connections.
About 32 percent of the SDCs charged on single-family homes is routed to transportation projects, Andrews said, and the numbers are running thin compared with the boom years.
From July 2006 to July 2007, the city took in $5.8 million in transportation SDCs, Andrews said, down from $7.3 million the year before and $6.4 million the year before that.
The city has the capacity to pay for about $15 million in transportation projects at this point, Andrews said — not enough to cover the largest projects that are already in the planning stages, including major work on Reed Market, Empire and Murphy roads.
The drop in transportation income has been considerably less than the drop in overall permits because commercial projects, including numerous new office buildings, major downtown commercial projects, a new Clear Choice Health Plans headquarters building and work on two major shopping malls have recouped much of the declining cash flow from housing, Andrews said.
Still, some major projects may face delays, or the city may have to look for other financing sources, including developer consortiums or local improvement districts, to get everything done, she said.
Another area that could be affected if the slowdown continues or deepens: building inspections.
The 40 or so employees in the city’s building inspection department are financed entirely through fees charged for construction inspections. Commercial construction has helped pick up some of the slack there, too, Andrews said, but inspection fees still dropped to $3.5 million in the city’s last fiscal year, which ran from July 2006 to July 2007, from $5 million the year before.
The city is budgeting about $5 million in income again this year, Andrews said, partly because it raised inspection fees by more than a third in July, and partly because some new large commercial projects are expected to get under way before the year is out. Meanwhile, the department has delayed filling a dozen open positions, and it has dug into its reserves to keep its people working, Andrews said.
Redmond
The new Wal-Mart Supercenter alone generated $2 million in transportation SDCs last year for Redmond, Earnest said — about what 690 houses would generate.
Thanks to that and other commercial construction projects, Redmond’s income from transportation SDCs soared 57 percent from July 2006 to July 2007 over the year before, Earnest said, even though single-family housing permits have fallen dramatically.
One measure of the commercial/residential difference: Parks SDCs, which are charged only on residential housing, fell 62 percent in the same period.
The city has healthy reserves in most of its SDC accounts, Earnest said, including a $5.8 million reserve for transportation, $2 million for parks, $3.1 million for water and $6 million for sewer, which means “we’re still going to be able to do projects in the foreseeable future.”
As with Bend, the biggest potential effect on the city’s coffers may come in the future if the growth in its property tax base continues to slow.
The way Oregon’s property tax laws work, taxes on existing properties are rarely affected much by changes in market prices. But the overall expansion of total property values, through the addition of new construction, can have a huge impact on the amount of money cities have to pay firefighters, police and maintenance crews.
Redmond’s property tax income has increased an average of 11 percent over the past six or seven years while its population has doubled, Earnest said. This year, the city is projecting 6.6 percent growth in that income, based on the housing slowdown that started in mid-2006.
Whether that will begin to pinch key services is an open question, though.
“It makes it more difficult,” Earnest said. “But that being said, 6 percent is a pretty good growth rate. There are other cities in Oregon that haven’t seen 6 percent growth in a long time, so we’re not crying by any means.”
Prineville
Prineville has had no commercial construction boost to take up the slack from the slumping housing sector, City Manager Robb Corbett said. No one in its building inspection department has been laid off, but work it had planned to outsource to consultants when the year started is being done in-house instead and the city’s budget managers are keeping a wary eye on SDC income that it needs to help pay off the $15 million in debt it has already taken on to build a major new sewer line and expand its sewage treatment plant.
Going forward, there’s hope for a turnaround, Corbett said.
“What we are seeing is the master planning that developers do, in front of their actual site plan approval, that’s still moving forward,” Corbett said. “So it appears as though people are seeing this as a natural cycle in the industry and they are positioning themselves for that day when the market picks up again.”
Central Oregon’s residential construction industry has slumped throughout the year, but trouble in the industry apparently hasn’t crept into city budgets, public finance directors say.
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At least, not in a big way.
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And not yet.
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The model of course is it was all coming back. Note that in the past it was NOT pay as go, but count on FUTURE receipts to pay for current and past debt. All based on the boom years, that had a simple history of 2002->2005. Somehow everyone in Bend assumed that 2004 was an optimized PR machine that would generate 30%/yr growth, ROI, forever, ...
Now everyone is scratching their ass. You know the developers/builders will not pay their share, e.g. until the current officials get recalled. The only option is taxes, higher utility fees, and a HUGE business license fee. This is just to pay back the $3Billion profit the developers made pay NOT having to pay the actual cost of the SDC.
Of course keeping it cheap to build created the boom, ensured profits, and ran the engine smooth, certainly there had to be someone either than myself in this town that knew that the little choo-choo wasn't sustainable?
This is an econonmic model designed by outsiders amenity vultures/locust, then intended all along to buy low, sell high.
Trouble is THEY all got caught in the bubble Juniper Ridge is a classic example, everyone in city hall is for it, because all were counting on the windfall.
Now everyone is like DUBYA's war, is best to keep fighting for old dreams as then you'll get nothing, at least if you keep fighting the PR and Planning people are getting paid, while BEND BURNS.
I was just talking to a Downtowner who wondered if it made any sense to talk about the negatives. - duncan
Does it ever pay to mention the emperor has no clothes? In the days of old, this would have gotten you beheaded. Thus the traditional trend of the masses remaining silent, no matter what utter shit and lies are before them.
I think the over-used Holocaust is a classic example of NO ONE SPEAKING UP.
Had a few people SPOKE-UP early on, things might have not had the outcome.
Humans are like dogs, they want to be part of the pack, a black-sheep amongst dogs will always be hated. Nobody wants to be the black-sheep. Everyone wants to be loved and part of the pack.
That said if there's a wolf down the trail, and nobody wants to hear about it, ... a smart dog might just go hide on his own. Fine.
But here in BEND, we're all going to have to pay for the insanity. Our taxes are going to go up, our utility fee's will rise, the city will start charging a HUGE business license fee like PDX of 1% of gross before taxes, just for a business license.
This will all come, because everyone was afraid to suggest that we had literally built a HOUSE OF CARDS. All of Bend is modeled on outside suckers coming in to bid up RE ever higher. Because +50% of Bend is-was based on speculation, it was only a matter of time before the RE biz imploded.
Bend become the land of "Anything is possible" if you just use taxpayer dollars for PR.
Does it pay to be pessimistic amongst a happy pack of dogs? No, never. That said the pack that survives must contain a few realists. Those of us who have been here a long time, cannot simply move-on, just because the current 'electable' are incompetent crooks.
The optimist, pessimist, versus realist debate will never end. I myself and Duncan are businessmen, in ORDER to truly SURVIVE in business you MUST be playing with a FULL DECK of cards. You must make decisions based on truth. Very rarely does high risk speculation pay in the long term. Generally the mass of men and/or dogs in a large pack are wrong 99% of the time through-out history.
Nobody is forced to be a realist, if you want to be an optimist, do so. I for one fear the Bend roundabouts I do not cross them unless there are NO cars, I do this because I know the drivers of Bend are NOT looking for pedestrians. In order to survive, you must consider the failure or incompetence of your fellow man.
"This is ALL such BULLSHIT, it was secret MOU"
Your statement is bullshit -- the MOU is and always was a public document, available to anybody who cared to look at it. But apparently nobody paid attention to the $2.5 million guarantee buried in the last paragraph until The Wandering EYE blog on the Source web site pointed it out. Then The Bulletin picked up the story.
It will be amusing to watch what happens to the former Bend Trap Club site on Brosterhous Road. Abito (Don Bauhofer and his partner) spent a shitload of money to remove 220,000 pounds (!!!!) of lead and now they apparently have a hole in their money bag and can't develop the site, so they're trying to unload it. Who would buy it? Would you? Would you want to live in a house built on it? Not me.
the MOU is and always was a public document, available to anybody who cared to look at it. But apparently nobody paid attention to the $2.5 million guarantee buried in the last paragraph until The Wandering EYE blog on the Source web site pointed it out
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The MOU was secret until chamber of commerce forced it to become public.
When did the 'eye' first report? I know I have been writing about this for six months?
" Gawd, why do I have to explain this shit to you people? Isn't there one pathetic rich person in Bend who understands how things work?crap. People have been predicting"
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Why yes there is and your doom gloom attitude will never get you anywhere. our economy has always been " busted " or "not real". Fundemnetaly you can make some wonderfull arguments that " The Sky is Falling" or "price are going to drop 90%" BUT the economy makes it's decions on the cultures, emotions and attitudes. (Americans will not stop spending money, we like our stuff we will simplify when needed to an extent, but not everyone) The future of our economy is based on history and history tells us we will weather the storm- PERHAPS the good old USA will take a back seat in due time and another economic power will step up, but they wont get tehre without a healthy USA! Look what happened to the dollar recenly- It has gone down in value- THUS Real Estate in Hawiee goes up with rich forgien money eventually cities like San Francisco and New York will benifit.
Good luck to you, your local economy will be fine. Peple will find work, because it is 2007 and it is getting ALOT easier to work from WHEREVER you want. I know you dont belive in demographics, but moist economist do and demographics tell us, times are a changing and places like Bend will grow.
peace
BENDS NOT COOL
Bulllshit!
I just moved here, self proclaimed snowboard dread lock wearing hippie! No way can I buy a house, but its a awsome town to be a ski bum in- EASY to find good work. Cheaper then most and much more low key.
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