Monday, September 17, 2007

Bend = Popeil Pocket Fisherman

Sometimes, in fact most of the time, I actually want to write about things I see in the previous weeks comments. Stuff from BEM, Duncan, and "Timothy" (although sometimes I wonder who that is), yup even BendBust (with too many aliases to remember), and the True Believers. But it seems I always get something that sticks in my craw in the meantime & I end up writing about that. So I determined that I would do that this week & not be carried away by other things... But first:

Remember the "Popeil Pocket Fisherman"? Oh, yes.

"The biggest fishing invention since the hook...and still only $19.95!"

It's actually a marginal product as any sentient being would know, who knows ANYTHING about fishing hardware. I mean, it's a dinky little fishing pole made with crap components. So why did it succeed?

Well, first, in the grand scheme of things, it didn't succeed wildly. Almost EVERYONE has heard of it, but I don't know anyone who actually owns one. And it never succeeded wildly because it is, right on the face of it, a marginal non-spectacular product. You can see that right away, without having to buy one. It's a little fishing pole, with a short little snub pole.

Now Freudian remarks aside, a short fishing pole is really functionally inferior to a longer one. It's only real benefit is it allows for more compact storage. But for that benefit you pay quite a bit more than you'd pay for a regular fishing rod. I bought a no-name rod & reel a year or two ago for about $7. So how on Earth does the Popeil Pocket Fisherman, an inferior and far higher cost alternative, even succeed?

Three ways: Over-the-top marketing, a tiny niche market, and buyer ignorance.

As I said, almost everyone has heard of the Popeil Pocket Fisherman. THAT is just good, pervasive & what admittedly is effective marketing. If you market something, ANYTHING, hard enough, you'll almost always find someone to buy it, if it's even a country mile within reasonable. If you look at Ron Popeils' company, Ronco, it is effectively a marketing front for a series of what are strange, novelty, and middling quality items. But they are pervasively marketed in "Crazy Eddie" style with a "willing and eager" (and totally fake) audience, in a style that is apparently effective enough that I remember Ronco commercials even decades after having not seen one.

And there does exist a very, very small market for compact fishing gear. For some people, I can't imagine who as I am neither a big fisherman nor constrained by space consideration to that extent, the Popeil Pocket Fisherman is a great alternative.

Finally, strange, substandard novelty products capitalize on buyer ignorance. If you know NOTHING about fishing gear, and Ronco has somehow convinced you of your potential need for a fishing rod, and they are convincing you with their "audience" that is stunned & amazed by their crappy offering, then you might just pay $20 for something worth, at most $7, just because you don't know any better. In fact, buyer ignorance paired with almost hypnotic marketing are the only possible way that products like the Popeil Pocket Fisherman even exist.

Maybe I'm just weird that way, but I immediately see many parallels between the Popeil Pocket Fisherman and Bend. First, there does exist a market for what Bend offers. Hell, I live here and when I first got here, the natural geography, scenery, small town feel, and opportunities to actually make a living here were very appealing. Unfortunately, some of that appeal is being dissipated by Prop 37, massive in-fill development, pervasive tract housing, almost totally irrational home pricing, hostile and incompetent city government, increasing percentage of people immigrating here who do not share my values (don't litter, don't be an asshole, clean up your dogshit, etc) , and so on. But still, Bend is nice, just much less so than 5 years ago.

So there does exist a "market" for what Bend has to offer, despite my own personal observations that what it does have to offer is declining in quantity and quality. As Popeil Pocket Fisherman demonstrates, if you market a middling product hard enough, it will sell to someone. But it's getting harder, much harder. Ye Olde BendBubble2 had some visitors of an ilk it hasn't had in awhile: Yup, People Who Compare Bend to The Highest Price Housing On Earth To Prove That Bend Is Dirt Cheap. Here's a comment after posting 10 over-the-top CA markets with higher medians than Bend.

All with median prices more than 2x Bend's median price. Oregon in general and Bend in particular haven't caught up with California and Washington prices, not by a longshot.

Of course, logically shutting down people like this has been done by me & others with such regularity & ease over the past year or two, that I practically do it in my sleep. Remember the "Yugo"? Yeah, the Yugo was The Cheapest car made -- in dollars. By these people similar logical estimation, the Yugo was, de facto, The Best Car Ever Made because it was the cheapest. Geez. Of course the Yugo was a disaster, because the car itself was a disaster.

Now, I don't want to suggest "Bend" is a "Yugo". It's not. A Yugo-like product is doomed to failure, no matter how cheap it is. Burns... that's getting closer. I actually think Burns is getting better, but that's another story. Bend, as a product in marketable form, is The Popeil Pocket Fisherman. Middling quality with some marginal features that do appeal to a fairly small number of "buyers". That doesn't mean "worthless" by any means. After all Popeil sold Ronco in August 2005 for $55 million, a pretty decent sum. But compared to the Ronco core competence of marketing novelty items, Ronco's market share in it's collective markets has never been more than 1%. It takes advantage primarily of buyer ignorance to capture a tiny share of a huge market.

That's Bend. A wildly over-marketed destination of middle of the road quality. Marketing is ALL WE HAVE. This place practically worships it, because like Ronco, it's essentially Bend's Core Competence. That's why when we receive widespread recognition, it's value is computed to the penny:

"It (Outside Magazine) reaches a demographic that most other advertising efforts don't reach because of a limited budget," Yax said. "Most of our advertising efforts don't go nationally. This is how we reach the national travel audience." The three-quarter-page article in Outside would have cost $71,720 as an advertisement, Yax said.

This is from a Summer article in the Bulletin, "More praise heaped on Bend". This is just strange. I lived in places that received this sort of "free publicity", and never was there an article computing it's "marketing value" -- right down to the penny -- in the local paper. This is what we do, it's what this town is: We are Ronco.

But there's the rub: Ronco ultimately has to abandon each of it's products in a serial fashion: The Veg-O-matic, GLH9 Hair-in-a-can, Mr Microphone ("Hey, good looking, I'll be back to pick you up later. Broadcast your voice on any FM radio!!!". Seriously, that was the ad tagline....), The Cap Snaffler - "Snaffles caps off any size jug, bottle, or jar… and it really, really works."

OK, each ultimately blows up because once you've sold the .01% of the population that actually needs it, and then you've fleeced the .99% that is so mentally decrepit they fall for your marketing or they are just ignorant, the market just declines from there. Your only real solution is to wait a generation for a new batch of suckers. But even they will have some sort of memory passed on that will lessen the marketing blitz effect. Wildly overmarketing the same crappy product is a DOA business plan after the first time. THAT is also Bend. We've just had our first, last and ONLY dose of success. But like the Popeil Pocket Fisherman, that's it. We're done. THAT particular gambit will NEVER work again.

But you know what? We will waste MILLIONS for years, if not DECADES, trying to Keep The Dream Alive. Like "Uncle Rico" on Napolean Dynamite who just kept reliving his glory year, 1983, Bend will end up a pathetic has-been if we keep flogging our one-single glory period.

Like BendBust, I am damn tired of repeating this, but this place needs a REAL ECONOMY. Not housekeeping, retail clerks, pizza delivery, or even construction. Real, sustained business. Here's an acid test for how REAL a local economy is: Do you see more "sales" of businesses or straight "closures"? An economy with "real" businesses will have an overwhelming percentage of "sales". There is "something" there of value that is salable. A "project" economy will have straight closures. There was nothing there of durable value in the first place, so it could never really be sold. That's why construction companies rarely "sell". They are "projects", not real "annuity-like" companies. You buy a general contractor, you've bought hot air.

Bend has an overwhelming number of totally "fake" businesses. They're not real businesses. A one-man law firm, accountant, or doctor office is NOT a business. It's a job. That's what Bends economy is, which is also why a predominant number of businesses here simply close their doors instead of sell. There's nothing there.

That's what we are. There's not much here. And if someone of relatively nominal intelligence were to closely inspect "Bend" as a product they would either buy or not, they would quickly come to the conclusion that we are OVERPRICED. Not totally worthless, and not the Ferrari of towns, but just somewhere in the middle. But in the Ronco style of over marketing, we have become totally dependent of a business model where we are overpriced with respect to our "fundamental value" by double, triple, or even quadruple. And man, without those "hot air dollars" we would fold.

That's what we are: Ronco marketing of Uncle Rico. In 1986. The Glory Years are Over. But dumb Uncle Rico will unfortunately NEVER FORGET 1983.

Moving on..... From Bend Economy Man:

I would never mess with perfection, Paul, but I think sometime you should do a "bust-o-meter" on Central Oregon grand schemes falling victim to the RE bust

"Never mess with perfection"? You shut down your blog! Start it up again!

OK, I'm all better now. Anywho, regarding the Implode-O-meter, I had a similar thought. Maybe put it in the sidebar. BEM named The Shire, some of the vacant eyesore lots downtown, and other potential "busts". And I guarantee you there will be more. I think. The funding for "facility based building" from housing to Redmond Waterpark took a turn for the worse in the past few weeks. Mercato is a bust either way, it's just a question of whether the Crocodile Dundee Bank of Tasmania will pull the funding before it's completed.

I think they will. Bankers are like Wildebeests, they move in herds. Stick together, and the chances of a leopard pulling you down are relatively low. Go out where you stand alone, and you will die. THAT is where much of Central Oregon projects seem to stand. They are in some instances almost pathologically weird (The Shire? Redmond Waterpark? Only in a bubble...), and most residential projects are being built into a market that has basically collapsed.

To BEM's point, there will be some Implosion Candidates, but there will also be many that are just abandoned. I saw in craigslist a 24 lot dev for townhomes where the thing has gone "Wholesale". Can't sell the lots retail, so let's try to bail on this thing wholesale... at 95% of retail cost. THIS is what I think will constitute the bulk of "Implosions". Of course these wholesale liquidations won't sell. Right here on BendBubble2's RSS feed, I saw some developer trying to bail on some lots wholesale, and what's funny is that after computing for Realtor fees and points and everything else, anyone who actually bought at his ask & actually got what he said the lots were worth retail, WOULD LOSE MONEY! Awesome!

"I have made a grievous financial mistake and paid WAY TOO MUCH for a craptacular couple of acres that I can never sell. But if you act today, you can take over my place, and what's better, I can GUARANTEE YOU'LL LOSE MONEY! It's Win-Win!

Oh wait, no. It's Win-Lose!

Oh, no. Actually, it's Lose-Lose!"

THIS will be the legacy of development deals done from today on, for as far as the eye can see. Lose-Lose. Anyone who's bought recently will lose. If you buy from them, YOU will lose. That's the reason they're selling for Gods sake.

Implode-O-meter, good idea.

From Duncan --

Wednesday, September 12, 2007


So income has gone up double, but housing prices have increased by 5 times? Not to worry, rich people will buy all the houses.


I'm still amazed and astounded by the reactions I get in my store from visitors. The comment, "It's happening were I come from, too." The comment, "We're thinking about moving here."


And then, when I question their knowledge of the local conditions, the realization that they don't have a friggen clue!


Perhaps when it comes to the crunch, they come to their senses. But I have a sinking feeling that they are moving here willy nilly, thinking they are going to get a comparable job to the one they left, and sitting pretty on a nest egg of equity.


So the question becomes. How long does it take for them to lose their nest egg?


Bend just keeps sucking up all that cash. And the longer the newcomers are oblivious, the longer high-end retail keeps opening. (Not one, but two bookstores opening in Redmond?)


Maybe this is just another facet of the cubic-zirconia that is Bend. We've marketed the hell out of this place, we've actually realized some ridiculous price gains and reeled in some particularly rich suckers... er, uh buyers. But INCOME. Yeah, that pesky measure of ECONOMIC REALITY, has remained almost pathologically depressed.

What's GREAT, is this place seems to want this illusion to persist, AT ALL COSTS. Screw income, screw it that no one who is actually here can survive. Just reel in suckers to keep cost inflation as high as possible for a small number of producers, Bends Elite. Reminds me of somewhere:

Under the leadership of current president Robert Mugabe the economy of Zimbabwe declined from one of the strongest in Africa to one of the weakest.

The downward spiral of the economy has been attributed mainly to mismanagement and corruption of the Mugabe regime and the eviction of more than 4,000 white farmers in the controversial land redistribution of 2000.

Inflation rose from an annual rate of 32% in 1998 to an official estimated high of 7,634.8% in August 2007,[39] a state of hyperinflation. The IMF predicted inflation will reach 6,430% by the end of 2008. Estimates from private sector economists estimate inflation at about four times the official figures.

In August 2006 a new revalued Zimbabwean dollar was introduced, equal to 1000 old Zimbabwean dollars. The exchange rate fell from 24 old Zimbabwean dollars per U.S. dollar (USD) in 1998 to 250,000 old or 250 new Zimbabwean dollars per USD at the official rate,[42] and an estimated 120,000,000 old or 120,000 revalued Zimbabwean dollars per US dollar on the parallel market[43], in June 2007.

Mugabe points to foreign governments and alleged "sabotage" as the cause of this, as well as the country's 80%[44] formal unemployment rate. Critics of Mugabe's administration, including the majority of the international community, blame Mugabe's controversial program which sought to seize land from white commercial farmers.

The economic meltdown and repressive political measures in Zimbabwe has led to a flood of refugees into neighboring countries. An estimated 3,4 million Zimbabweans — a quarter of the population — had fled abroad by mid 2007.[50] Some 3 million of these have gone to South Africa.[51]

Ah yes, good old Zimbabwe. A place where you look to see how disastrous insular governmental corruption can decimate an economy. See any parallels to Bend?

  • Robert Mugabe = Bend City Council
  • Mugabe's Supposed Economic Sabotage = Let's Hire A PR Marketing Firm Cuz We F'd Up Juniper Ridge
  • 120,000,000 Zimbabwe dollars = Bend Median Home Price
  • Economic Meltdown & Refugees = Bends Future

Of course, like Mugabe, Bend City Council feels they have carte blanche to wreck this town just as long as they can continue to peddle economic influence to a microscopic portion of the population, the Bend RE juggernaut. Outcome? Bends Popeil Pocket Fisherman sellers have so far succeeded in bilking some real idiots out of their life savings, but that market is by definition small & shrinking away to ZERO.

I have no doubt that like Mugabe, Bend City Council will continue to bang this little fiefdom up the corn chute for all it's worth, and the end result will be economic disaster & a massive flight of REFUGEES out of Bend when the true "hot air" nature of it's primary product is revealed.

Finally, from BendBust:

If you can go down 25% do it, becuase this time next year will be -50%.

There are NO buyers, there is NO money, the only thing you can do is market the thing yourself, keep your realtor, everyday promote the house on Craigs, and everywhere you can, take out an AD of your own every sunday in the Oregonian, and promote the home. This way you'll catch that one guy with money, but YOU must lower the price, and work your ass off NOW, if you keep dragging your ass, you will be giving the house away next year.

WHAT! "Keep your realtor"? Are you PRO-BEND REAL ESTATE, BendBust?

OK, Buster, don't blow an O-ring. Just fuckin' with ya. But he brings up a good point, the money is GONE. I'm not sure I agree with his percentages, but when you start looking at the very peculiar & unique situation that is Bend RE (extraordinary RE economic concentration, double or triple the "normal" levels in regular towns, the extraordinary appreciation, and coupled with that a huge correlation of local incomes to RE prices), it becomes hard if not impossible to estimate the impact of the current credit contagion on a place like Bend.

The Credit Contagion may be the only, or the first in a long line of "surprises", that have long been talked about here, as post hoc reasons for a massive and almost unbelievable collapse in Bend RE prices some years from now. As Timmy has said (I think. Maybe I just thought it.), when stocks implode, the reasons for the implosion are only widely known & disseminated once the disaster is total & complete. We won't really know what the catalysts are in their full entirety until home prices here have imploded.

Cynics will say, "Then HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'LL HAPPEN!". Just because I don't know the exact reasons for a bubble bursting, doesn't mean I can't predict that it's very likely one will. The Ultimate Reason ALWAYS ends up being "The Whole Ponzi Scheme Collapsed Of It's Own Weight". That's why all Bubbles burst. There were "exterior" reasons for Bends Bubble, that were largely beyond our control; the national housing bubble, easy money, and a penchant for North-migrating equity locusts to move here. But there are several reasons that are ALL OUR FAULT, and we not only did nothing to mitigate their inflating effect, we have and ARE STILL plowing everything we've got into them. In summary:

Bend is a Pocket Popeil Fisherman (a middling town), being wildly overmarketed by Robert Mugabe (Bend City Council) for the single and sole reason of enriching a small elite number influencers (Bend RE developers). The outcome is easy to predict as day follows night:

Economic destruction and massive refugee exodus.

This is Bends fate. Like the Pocket Fisherman, we had our shot. Like Uncle Rico, we are past our prime. And like Robert Mugabe, we will be driven into economic catastrophe because our government is corrupt & incompetent. We could have taken our one-shot windfall & invested wisely & built a Real Town with Real Jobs. But no. We're beating a dead horse, and all indications show that The Powers That Be will beat this horse to bloody mush until this town is a shadow of it's former self. Bends Bubble collapse and economic destruction are a foregone conclusion because of this.

It's NOT a prediction and I don't "want" it to happen, it's just brutally obvious common sense.

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Anonymous said...

If you look out your window, and every house has a for-sale sign for the past year, and NOT a single house has sold, and the ASK price is down -50% ARE YOU ALLOWED to make a deduction?

George look out window tonight and see one house with For Sale sign on street with 42 houses. George know of three houses that sold this year on same street. Deduction? Bendbust full of elephant poop.

Anonymous said...

George need to wake up and pull head from ass. George probably one of smart people who say " Bend different, things not go boom here". Just because bend bust like to rant like horny macaque, it no change reality. Bend go down toilet with rest of over inflated places only worse because Bend no have heap many good jobs. Me remember jackass who call himself life is good. George sound heap much like him. Me go now, must make fire before it get dark.

Anonymous said...

Just because bend bust like to rant like horny macaque, it no change reality.

George hunt deer on Awbrey Butte while growing up. Life was good until bendbust move here.

Anonymous said...


George look out window tonight and see one house with For Sale sign on street with 42 houses.

Dat george look out window and see 42 homes on street, only one with sign. George live on Bend "Street of Dreams". George have very good vision to see 42 home. Me think george live in chipmunk den.
Oh well, I guess from now on its all going to be about george.
That sure beats bendbb party's.
I wonder if george is also a pederast? If so george could be a welcome addition. Furries are an essential prop at our party's.

Anonymous said...

"Remember NOBODY bought BEND RE to be a home, ALL bought Bend RE because they were going to get rich"
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I do not understand this are you saying that people that bought home in Bend 2-5 years bought homes because they were expecting equity gains?

AND NOBODY...bought a place because this is an awesome place to live?

You have some great arguments, but many many people have moved to Bend in recent years and love it and do not plan to leave and many many many more people will continue to move here, because it is a great place to live.

This NIMBY (not in my back yard) is BS. You cant stop growth and demographics, I don’t care how long you have been here, how much better it was or how much it has changed. I grew up in an AWSOME town and it has COMPLETLY changed, I would never go back. But ya know what people love it and it never stops growing.

The sky is not falling in my Bend world

Anonymous said...

Ray has a brother name 'george', Ray lives on Awbrey.

Ray & George have website.

http://www.fixjuniperridge.com/



The above is a cute site, with a cute quote ... Trouble is Bend is NOT about good ol boyz, that is Redmond and there doing fine, the problem with Bend is that the elected buffoons have allowed out of town-folk to bamboozle them.

City of Bend's Juniper Ridge Master Developer was recently quoted on his thoughts about our city... BEND
"It's like a town in Mississippi in the '50s with this good old boy network, its going to be difficult to get anything done."

- Ray Kuratek, Managing Partner
Juniper Ridge Partners, LLC
The Source May 18, 2006

Anonymous said...

AND NOBODY...bought a place because this is an awesome place to live?

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NOBODY, NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.

NOBODY, NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.

NOBODY, NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.NOBODY,

NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.

NOBODY, NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.

Anonymous said...

NOBODY, NOBODY bought a home in Bend in the last six years accept a complete buffoon who wants to lose a lot of money quickly.

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Let's take this "BEND is paradise" To its logic. You can rent an outrageous home here for $800/mo just about anywhere in town. WHY BUY? Why pay 20% down, just to lose your down?

Let's say that Bend is paradise, you came here to climb @ smith, or road-bike. WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE WITH BUYING A HOME??

HOMEOWNERSHIP in bend is about LOSING money, unless you bought +10 years ago,

BUYING a home in the last 6 years has nothing to do with loving BEND, hell if you love bend you can sleep in your truck like lots of people do.

No where is written that you had to be a sucker and PAY 4X for a home in Bend in order to enjoy Bend. Since 2002 ALL homes sold in BEND are a sucker play.

I want to hear from someone since 2002 who loves the outdoors who actually about one of these over-priced pig shit holes.

Remember ALL homes in BEND built after 2002 were PIG SHIT. Home quality in Bend after 2002 went to shit because Bend Permit center starting signing anything off.

Here is the line "I'm willing to lose money for the environment".

BEING a fucking idiot and loving the environment are not dependent. YOU can love bend, fishing, skiing, hiking and NOT have bought a fucking home.

ANYBODY that bought a home in BEND during the last 6 years FUCKED himself.

Anonymous said...


You have some great arguments, but many many people have moved to Bend in recent years and love it and do not plan to leave and many many many more people will continue to move here, because it is a great place to live.


Exactly my point.

People will continue to liquidate their 401K and pay the premium price in Bend.

People will continue to sell their homes in faraway places at a loss, and buy more expensive homes in Bend.

People will continue to move to Bend without a job, and become insolvent because its a wonerful place to be.

Bend is the most beautiful place in the world. It is the only resort in America on the west coast. It has 24 of the best golf courses in the world all within a five minute drive of Bend.

Bend is paradise on earth. Everyone in the world want to live in Bend.

There are no drugs in Bend. Everyone is clean. All the children are smart.

Anonymous said...

AND NOBODY...bought a place because this is an awesome place to live?

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Bend homes are dropping like a rock. This is a negative investment. Rent in Bend is dirt-cheap.

Why in the world would a sane person BUY a home in this 'awesome' place to live? Only a complete fucking moron.

Come forward, come all I want to hear from Morons tonight. Hell its only 9:30pm, and I didn't even have a beer tonight. This could be an all nighter.

Let's see there's a 1,000 of you fuckers out there that bought year-to-date according to the shit NAR data, is there one of you fucking morons on this blog? Call your friends if you know one, please let's hear from one.

Anonymous said...

I do not understand this are you saying that people that bought home in Bend 2-5 years bought homes because they were expecting equity gains?

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Only a fucking MORON can make a statement like the above. Had you gone into any real estate office during the prior five years you would have heard.

"Bend RE only goes up", "Bend RE goes up 30%/yr, always has, always will"

Then our MORON says "People didn't buy Bend homes to make money".

Where in the hell does IHTBYB find these fucking people??

This is better than "Prices cannot go any lower".

The new one now is "People don't buy Bend RE to make money, people buy RE in Bend because its a wonderful place".

JEEEEEEEEZUS fucking christ. In all my 25+ fucking years hanging out in the deschutes brew-pub, or however long they have been in biz, cuz I don't remember. I have NEVER had a tourist tell me that "I want to buy a home in Bend because its wonderful, and I don't care about losing money".

ADVICE: RENT, and when the prices get down to $120k, then buy your self a fucking house.

Anonymous said...

Amenity Locusts or Vultures?

Don't Bend Our Town.

Everyone knows what Bend did itself. Very much like the town that put all its daughters into prostitution, and then once the whole town got Aids asks for community pity from neighboring towns. Bend had a hell of a party for a few years.

Bend is a pariah, and the people will be moving on in droves, the kind of people that were attracted to Bend in the past five years were primarily get-rich-quick locusts, and they'll be heading north, as there is nothing south, e.g. the locusts always move to clean places to pillage.

Like sharks that have tasted blood 1,000's of Bend locust will be heading north looking for towns to secure a KURATEK, aka $2.5M golden-parachute.

Anonymous said...

This NIMBY (not in my back yard) is BS.

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The mission statement is to ridicule and humiliate the status quo. In the finest tradition of our fore-father H.L. Mencken.

Nada no-where has anyone here ever suggest NIMBY as principal.

If your going to post, please read all prior posts and blogs so that you clearly understand the issues at hand, and first principals.

Anonymous said...


There are no drugs in Bend. Everyone is clean. All the children are smart.


You forgot to add that all the women are always horny here. Bend is a paradise for middle age guys to hang out in bars and meet 20 year old models.

The RE-HO's: We have the most beautiful realtors in the world in Bend, and we don't call them HO's because of ethnicity, no fear there are NO black men in Bend.

There are no mexicans in bend, no injuns, nothing but pure white. Our sister city Sand Point, Idaho celeberates Bend Nazi days along with us every month. In Bend everyday is Adolf Hitler's birthday.

Anonymous said...

Where Bend residents work
By Patrick McGinnis / Bulletin guest columnist
Published: September 21, 2007 5:00AM PST

The builder’s handyman had no sooner crossed the last item off our new home’s punch list before he turned, looked up and down the street at the newest row of tidy “McMansions” to appear in Bend’s west hills. He then asked a poignant question.

“Where do all these people work?” he said.

Good question, I thought. I’d been wondering the same thing.

Our mid-sized mountain town, like so many other timber towns in the Northwest, was once a small town flush with living-wage harvest and milling jobs. No longer. NIMBY-fueled regulation, coupled with commodity market globalization, has altered the landscape of the forest products industry so that it is far more economically viable to get needed timber in out-of-sight, out-of-mind places. The planet doesn’t really need those Central American rain forests, does it?

Take a look around. The Pacific Northwest is littered with dying and dead towns that have fallen victim to this economic shift in global resource procurement.

We in Bend, we’re the lucky ones. Blessed with natural beauty, temperate weather and endless outdoor recreation opportunities, Bend is one of few success stories among many former mill towns. Most never had a chance because they couldn’t evolve and diversify their local economies fast enough to survive.

Yet, Bend has done far better than survive. Bend has thrived. Littered with relatively young, affluent retirees, “equity refugees,” and the imported money they bring, tourism, construction and real estate, and related services have flourished in Bend for the past couple decades solid in this old mill town.

That’s the good news. In the eight years I’ve been here, population has increased by 60 percent while home prices have increased 220 percent. Impressive stats, especially if you already have your slice. Not so good, perhaps, if you’re one of the unlucky ones who actually has to make a living here.

While the cost of living (primarily housing) has gone up exponentially, real wages have increased commensurate with national averages. The net effect of this divergence of economic curves is that the working class is priced out of Bend just as they’ve been in ski towns throughout the west.

However, where we differ from most other resort economies is in our size. Bend is no longer a small town, even though it still mostly feels like it. Bend is too big to rely on tourist dollars and “imported money” like we have been.

We need to strive as a community to rapidly, yet thoughtfully, continue to diversify our local economy if we are to continue to flourish. We’re already losing the working class. We must work to reverse this trend and reclaim that demographic in order to maintain better economic mix. Healthy, sustainable economies are characterized by such diversity. An equally important reason to broaden our stance economically is that if we don’t, the next risk we will assume will be the loss of our middle class.

Conventional local wisdom has it that Bend’s middle class is relatively small to begin with. But is it? There seems to be no shortage of builders willing to build $400,000 to $800,000 homes, to be promptly gobbled up by hordes of “hidden middle class” buyers, more of which are arriving in Bend daily.

So, the question remains: Where do all these people work? They can’t all be realtors.

The simple answer is — anywhere and everywhere. Some of us, like my neighbor Mark (from Arizona) and I, commute. I to run a fire station in Orange County and he to fly 737s out of Oakland. Others, like my friends Steve and Lance, sold businesses, equity-rich Bay Area and Orange County property, and now, after taking requisite down time to plot their next moves, both now run small businesses in town.

Then there’s the Hollywood crowd. Though not unheard of to see the occasional actor about (Patricia Arquette sighting in the west-side Safeway!), I’m talking about the writers and the cameramen and the gaffers (whatever that is) who reside here between location shoots.

Finally, last and certainly not least are the home-based business owners and the telecommuters. I just recently shared an airplane ride with a Bend guy who told me that the Silicon Valley-based tech conglomerate for which he worked had some 30 employees living and working from home in Bend. Further, he told me that they’d organized a group whose sole purpose was to explore ways to bring more high-tech businesses, which bring both working-class and middle-class wage jobs, to Central Oregon.

Now that is the kind of thinking we need in our big-small, new, old mill town.

Patrick McGinnis lives in Bend.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Damn it. This sort of ruins this weeks post. I was going to make nice comparisons of Columbia Air to Bend itself, how both are rotting from the inside, all spit & polish but no substance, predictions about Columbia Air getting sold and ultimately moving out and all...


Columbia Aircraft Ownership Change 'May Be Imminent'

Wed, 19 Sep '07
Three Parties Are Reported To Be Vying For Columbia... Including Cessna's Parent Company, Textron

Columbia Aircraft, manufacturers of a highly regarded line of high-performance GA piston aircraft, may be changing hands as early as today. Numerous sources on both sides of the table report that at least three parties are attempting to gain control of the company via a number of options. The Ministry of Finance of Malaysia reportedly owns more than 90 percent of Columbia Aircraft and has been looking for buyers for "quite a while." Recently though, Columbia's Board, working under the direction of CEO Wan Abd Majid, has been meeting over the past several days in an effort to respond to "serious proposals" from three primary parties seeking to take the company over.

Each of the competitors has intriguing plans for their bids, though specific information is hard to come by. At least one is reportedly interested more in the intellectual property and assets alone, while one other bidder expressed an interest in operating the intact company and "greatly" expanding its operations, presumably keeping it where it now operates in Bend, OR. Depending on the ultimate resolution to this matter, the Central Oregon employment picture stands poised to get a shot in the arm... or take a big hit, if the company is disassembled or moved.

The biggest news in the story (so far), is the report that industry titan Cessna Aircraft is a part of the bidding process, through its corporate parent, Textron. Textron/Cessna's plans for Columbia remain murky and company spokespersons have refused to "comment on speculation... as a matter of company policy." Industry insiders consider the Textron/Cessna involvement to be the most interesting aspect of the current scenario. One aero-insider noted (on background) that, "...it would seem unlikely that Textron would keep Columbia in Oregon, and if Cessna is the focal point of this action, then their labor agreements may even force them to bring everything back to Kansas. Still, the biggest question is whether Textron would be interested in Columbia as a stand-alone company, as a part of Cessna itself, or as an asset acquisition that may (ultimately) result in the cessation of production in its current form. Regardless, the Textron/Cessna interest in this company has the potential to change the industry, dramatically."


Read the last paragraph: Columbia Air is almost certainly gone before the end of this year.

Anonymous said...

The don't call it the BULL for nothing.


Job growth steady in Central Oregon
Construction slows but shows no losses


By Anna Sowa / The Bulletin
Published: September 21. 2007 5:00AM PST

Last year at this time, David Fierstos and his 10 employees were juggling two to four masonry and concrete contracting jobs at once. Now, the owner of Redmond’s Masonry & Concrete Solutions LLC says he has only one job in progress with another prospect pending, and he’s whittled his work force down to three employees, including himself.

“There have been dramatic business changes,” Fierstos said. “We used to be pretty darn busy.”

His gross sales are down 15 percent, compared with this time last year, Fierstos said, adding that he’s heard rumors that other contractors are laying off laborers in droves.

So far, rumors of widespread construction layoffs are unfounded, according to the latest state employment data for Central Oregon released Thursday.

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Although Central Oregon employment numbers do not show any losses in the construction, natural resources and mining industry, the sector’s growth is slowing dramatically, said Steve Williams, regional economist for the Oregon Employment Department in Bend.

The region added fewer than a quarter as many jobs in August in this sector as in August 2006, Williams said, adding that the department doesn’t track numbers for construction alone.

In August, Central Oregon added 350 jobs in this category over August 2006. Last August, however, saw an increase of 1,460 jobs over August 2005.

“That’s where we’re feeling some of this crunch,” Williams said. “(Building) has slowed for sure, but there’s still building going on.”

On a monthly level, employment changes are more subtle.

In Deschutes County, the unemployment rate from July to August held steady at 4.6 percent, above August 2006’s rate of 4.1 percent, according to Thursday’s report.

Crook and Jefferson counties saw their unemployment rates drop from July to August.

Crook County’s rate was down 0.3 percentage points from July to 5.8 percent in August. Last month’s rate was down from the August 2006 rate of 5.4 percent.

Jefferson County’s unemployment rate was 0.6 percentage points below July, to 6 percent in August. That was a full percentage point above the August 2006 rate.

The construction, natural resources and mining sector added 40 jobs in August in Deschutes County, 10 to 20 fewer than the county usually adds for the month, Williams said.

In all employment sectors, Williams said overall job growth is advancing at about 2.5 percent, which it has been for the past five months. Last year, employment growth shot to 6 percent or 7 percent on a year-over-year basis, he said.

In August, Central Oregon added 2,120 jobs over August 2006, Williams said, whereas August 2006 added 5,430 more jobs than August 2005.

“(Employment data) is showing that we’re still growing and have one of the fastest growth rates in the state, but we’re not growing like we had been (two years ago), and those were our boom years.”

In other industries, retail trade, and leisure and hospitality saw strong growth, according to the employment report.

Deschutes County gained 110 more retail jobs in August than in July, helping the county grow its employment base in a month that usually loses jobs.

Crook County lost 70 jobs overall in August, a normal shift for the summer, according to the report, although there were fewer lost jobs than expected.

Jefferson County continues to show poor job growth, the report said, primarily due to losses in manufacturing, notably Seaswirl Boats in Culver. The boat maker moved operations to Minnesota earlier this year.

Jefferson County’s total August employment fell 3.5 percent from August 2006, with almost 24 percent of the losses in manufacturing.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Greenspan on the housing bubble:

House prices to drop much lower: Greenspan

"It's a difficult situation, there is an enormous overhang on the real estate market," Greenspan was quoted as saying. "Many buildings which just have been finished can't be sold ..."

"So far, prices have dropped only slightly. But it was enough to cause alarm around the world," he said. "Prices are going to fall much lower yet."

Anonymous said...

The Ministry of Finance of Malaysia reportedly owns more than 90 percent of Columbia Aircraft and has been looking for buyers for "quite a while."

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When the King of Malaysia goes south on Bend, you know its NO longer cool with the rich.

It's amazing that this is in a small aerospace rag, when will the BULL report.

Lastly, to end the RUMOR cessna will be moving what they buy to Kansas.

Anonymous said...

Further, he told me that they’d organized a group whose sole purpose was to explore ways to bring more high-tech businesses, which bring both working-class and middle-class wage jobs, to Central Oregon.

Now that is the kind of thinking we need in our big-small, new, old mill town.

Patrick McGinnis lives in Bend.

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I think we have killed this dead horse. Yeh, lets bring in MORE fresh technies, always been the solution.

What about our unemployable RE-HOS, and builders. Are we really going to teach them to type, and turn them into 'computer ingineers'? I think we have killed this dead horse, bend will never be silicon-valley anymore than Aspen. In that sense we have a lot in common.

Portland has spent a fortune in the last 20+ years to create a silicon-forest result? Nada

Oregon, at least in the west has water, rivers to dump toxic waste, and cheap labor.

Bend has a little water, no place to dump waste, and a drug induced work force. Nobody is going to build a FAB in Bend. Look at ABT or whatever they call it, after 20 years still nothing but a sweat shop

Anonymous said...

So far, rumors of widespread construction layoffs are unfounded, according to the latest state employment data for Central Oregon released Thursday.

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So they release 'data' from a prior quarter, and as of last thursday no layoffs. How do you layoff a guy who works for himself out of his pickup truck?

Somebody find the Sowa a day job. Perhaps she can become a REHO?

Anonymous said...

. In the eight years I’ve been here, population has increased by 60 percent while home prices have increased 220 percent. Impressive stats, especially if you already have your slice. Not so good, perhaps, if you’re one of the unlucky ones who actually has to make a living here. - mcGinnis

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You think that this is new? Bend has always been a hard place to make it. Just because of HELOCS equity-vultures came in, and could justify placing the wife&spawn, while they worked their blue-collar job down in Hollywood. Now that money is being lost, and Bend isn't cool, how long will these guys keep up with the commute??

Also where in the hell is it that gaffers are middle class? An actress was seen at Safeway on the Westside, holy shit Bend has made it.

You like 'NIMBY', thus YOU must be george-of-the-jungle.

Fact is Bend was taken for by condo HO crowd, and had city council filled with themselves a long time ago. The time for NIMBY was 1970's.

The essence of your position is that Bend is a bedroom community for insane commuters, who cannot afford to live in LA. That if we could just create jobs for them, then they wouldn't have to commute. Hell this is the essence of the Brogman argument of Les Schwab. Develop Juniper Ridge and move LS from priny to JR, so Brogman doesn't have to commute.

YOU DUMB fucks buy into that lifestyle, why don't you JUST start your own business in BEND with your own money?? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T

We're are a tourist town, and the reason we attract tourists is to sell Real Estate. In post peak oil world long-distance commutes are STUPID, and RE speculation is game-over here. You want to stay here, but the commute is killing you.

Let's have our government here in Bend fix the problem, hell if they build all kinds of commercial buildings then the jobs will come.

Bend has already in 2006 forced a business-license, and exempted realtors. Even if you work at home, you must be licensed, next year they do a Portland, 1% of gross before taxes. Right now if your at home and your not licensed its a $500 fine. Once the taxes go into effect NOBODY is going to work out of their home in Bend.

Grasping at straws, first it was sell real estate to suckers, then attract tourists to GOLF heaven. Now its attract insane commuters to work at home in Bend. Then the city will tax the shit out of those people.

The history of Bend forever was work two jobs in Bend, and sleep in trailer in La-Pines. This is BEND, everything created since 1986 for the last twenty years is a mirage.

Anonymous said...

The history of Bend forever was work two jobs in Bend, and sleep in trailer in La-Pines. This is BEND, everything created since 1986 for the last twenty years is a mirage.

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Our pal here McGinnis, is a class example. I asked for a MORON that came in during the last 8 years ( well I said 6 ), and I got one.

This guy is desperate, he sits on planes and talks to other insane fucking commuters. We have killed this dead-horse a zillion times, its quicker to drive to BAY than fly there. This is NOT a sustainable lifestyle. These people are desperate for somebody to solve their fucking problem.

It's always been this way in "BEND". There are NO jobs, sure you can create a small business, how about a bike shop?

This whole debate is insane, come to Bend because its different, and then when you get here plead the Government to make it like where you cam from, e.g. JOBS.

This is a small desert mill town, in a remote location. It's NON-Competitive. The way the few high-tech companys here make it, is buy making their employees work over-time ( salaried ), its not unusual here to work 7 days a week, and 12 hours day. Thus yes, I concur telecommuting is sweet, but NOT-sustainable.

Look where we're going right now, into a RE recession NOT seen since 1983, restaurants are dropping like flys, soon Bend will NOT be fun. Downtown will be boarded up, yes, you can commute here, but when your friends visit they'll not be impressed, unless you like dirty desert towns.

The EASY-MONEY is over, Bend will now revert. If you bought a home in the last 8 years, your going to lose money. If you BUY a home today in Bend your going to lose money.

This is NOT about NIMBY, just another attempt by the status-quo to FRAME THE DEBATE.

This is about insanity. Bend is out of financial control, and is being ran bankrupt. A parasitic electorate, and a parasitic political class is rudder-less. They can NO longer attract suckers to lose money, thus the transference of wealth from the DUMBER to the DUMB is over.

Note this is NOT about NIMBY, this is about our town being bankrupted by FUCKING MORONS.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Where Bend residents work
By Patrick McGinnis / Bulletin guest columnist


Damn, much of what this guy says is Paul-doh-isms almost verbatim. We need more real jobs, we're too big for conveyor belt incomes.

But his whole "telecommuter thesis" of Bend affluence... that's bothersome, because it means there is No Real Economy HERE. Yes, there are people here working, but that's not really a business. There's nothing of VALUE here. These telecommuters could up & leave overnight. Its an amenity & recreational directed lifestyle, and the second they find The New Bend, this Bend will shut down.

He says they work "anywhere and everywhere"... but note that NONE of them make Good Money Out Of The Local Bend Economy. NOBODY. They're all a bunch of suckerfish and the host shark is 1,000 miles away.

The guy has some good points and actually admits that a town of 100% Realtors is not possible (something denied by many), but when will Bend GET REAL? We're like an engine that needs a jump everytime to needs to get started. There's no sustainable INTERNAL COMBUSTION... we DEPEND ON THE KINDNESS OF STRANGERS. Many of whom are Cali scumbags.

Anonymous said...

House prices to drop much lower: Greenspan

"It's a difficult situation, there is an enormous overhang on the real estate market," Greenspan was quoted as saying. "Many buildings which just have been finished can't be sold ..."

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Greenspan can no longer be trusted, he has 'kissed and told' about DUBYA, twisted-shrub.

Besides in Bend, anything that can be built, will be sold, there is an infinite amount of LA commuters who would love to own a home in Bend, and fly to work during the week. Always been this way, always will.

Just charge the people in Bend a tax on those who bought homes prior to 1998, and use the proceeds to fund down-payments and low interest loans to new home purchasers in Bend.

Bend City council should go into the mortgage business.

Bend is the land of creative finance. Job, no problem in Bend, we'll get you into a house. We'll even bus you to the airport for your weekday job.

All money flows to Bend, always been this way.

Bend is in a world of fucking hurt. Somebody @ chamber-of-commerce please bitch-slap the city council ASAP.

That said I think there's a lot of people that would like to see Bend go into the economic toilet. I woudln't because that means massive crime. I guess that why all the parasites have put themselves in gated community's.

YOU'LL NOT BE SAFE, you have to leave sometime.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

And telecommuting is a pretty tenuous existence. I was working a place where a woman had a baby. She had more tenure than almost anyone (like 20 years), and she could easily do her whole job via telecommuting, and eveyone seemed real happy about it. And she was doing great as a telecommuter, everyone admitted that.

She was fired 3 months later. Out of sight, out of mind. Never underestimate the power of "face time". One hell of a lot of job security is office politics, and when you aren't there to defend your turf, your turf gets taken over.

I've seen "pure virtual companies" that make telecommuting work, but again, these are "Projects" more than companies. They exist for short periods, they have no stable income, 100% "gig"-driven revenue. First hint of a slowdown & they disband almost instantly. Like home construction.

This whole town is gigs. Nothing solid. Probably the most valuable company in town is Bend Cable. ("Broadband"... oh God. Wow... 21st century technology!) Buggers make all their money on cable. Now THAT is a company. If I could own one business in Cent OR, it'd be Bend Cable. One of the few that has invested huge money in Cent OR infrastructure and ain't powered by "bullshit", which describes almost every Cali-transplant of the past 5 years. "Graphic design"... wow. We need more of that.

tim said...

>>This is a small desert mill town, in a remote location. It's NON-Competitive.

When all is said and done, I think that's the key point.

We are OFF the I5 corridor. Getting anything here and shipping anything from here is expensive. Travel to or from here is a pain. Christ, the "real" airport isn't even in the "real" city.

We're in a business-unfriendly state (count the Fortune 500 businesses in the state--you'll never get to the number 2).

And we face a chicken and egg problem with pulling business and college here.

Bend has dreams of making everything work in ten years or twenty. The reality is Bend needs a 100-year plan, because that's honestly how long it takes to build something like a Research Triangle, Harvard-MIT corridor, or Silicon Valley.

Anonymous said...

We're like an engine that needs a jump everytime to needs to get started.

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Half my rigs needs ether to start, whats wrong with that?

If bends only problem was love, that would be trivial.

The real problem with mcGinnis is HE is NOT an entrepreneur. He is a lifestyle commuter, who bought HIGH into an over-marketed tourist town.

Yeh, he knows that the tourism is NOT sustainable, as we're TOO BIG. Shit why would a tourist come to a place that looks JUST LIKE SO-CAL??

His solution, get a bunch of house-niggers together to figure out HOW to create their OWN fucking plantation. Except these are NO ordinary house-niggers, these are commuting rent-a-house niggers fly all over the country on demand.

They think they're so smart they can just form a club, and create their own plantation. Where in the HELL is the money going to come from??? Remember your already enjoying a negative investment in Bend.

mcGinnis couldn't start his own high-tech firm if his life depended on it, I can tell by reading his dribble, he's a worker bee.

RICH 'BEND' ENTREPRENEURS hang out in Bend, and ride their road-bikes, and then spend the their nights in gated community's. NOBODY ever got rich starting a high-tech firm. A REAL FUCKING entrepreneur ( I say this as a person who has created from scratch many high tech company's ). A real fucking entrepreneur looks at who is making money and where.

He doesn't go into an isolated community that lacks infrastructure, and people. A real entrepreneur ONLY plays the game if they're 100% sure of the deal playing out. A real entrepreneur uses his own fucking money, and thus MAKE FUCKING sure he'll NOT lose his fucking money.

Creating a fucking high-tech empire in Bend is a fucking CRAP-SHOT. I have seen dozens attempt since the 1970's and ALL FAIL.

Again go to PDX tens of millions and millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent to 'prime' silicon-forest and the result has been NADA, PSU and OGI are still shit-holes, with PROFS that can't even wipe their ass. OREGON doesn't have Stanford or Berkeley, or cal-tech, and NEVER will in this century.

Insanity is what I call Bend, everyone is so FULL of fucking marketing, they're grasping straws trying to make it here.

1.) The builders want to just keep building.

2.) The realtors just want to keep selling

3.) The telecommuters want a local job, so they can quit flying.

4.) I want a beer, naw just kiddin,

WHO GIVES a fuck what anybody wants, what we're seeing here is desperation, Bend is collapsing, and your seeing people coming out of the woodwork begging to be bailed out.

I say YOU BOUGHT into the scam, live with it, but pleeeeeeze don't ask me to pay for your fucking stupidity.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Drove down Franklin yesterday, and it looks like Abacus Realty is closed. On BizBuySell.com there is a 4 person RE brokerage outfit for sale in Bend (first time ever). Maybe the same?

Can't sell that stuff though. The day a new owner walks in is the day it is a ZERO person RE office. RE brokerage, like almost everything RE-related, is totally unsalable. Nothing there.

What's funny though, is that for the first time ever, RE business are For Sale around here. 1 man generals, 4 man RE brokers, crap like that. Kinda funny, cuz it wasn't worth a dime at the dead top of the Bubble... why do they think it's worth anything headed into the teeth of a decade-long implosion?

BizBuyingIdiot: "Yes, do you have any companies that are guaranteed to implode, where I am actually buying absolutely NOTHING of tangible value?"

BizBroker: "YES SIR! We have a wide variety of real estate business that will lose every employee on Day One, have zero recurring revenue, and whose market is imploding!"

BizBuyingIdiot: "SOUNDS PERFECT!"

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

these are commuting rent-a-house niggers fly all over the country on demand.

See, that's where the Quality Of Life quotient just goes into the shitter. Yeah, you "live" in paradise... but somehow you spend 95% of your time in airports, Osama tubes, taxi's, on cell phone, blah, blah, blah. I mean, "living" in Bend at that point becomes a horrible INCONVENIENCE.

Everyone says they'd rather live in a sodden cardboard box than Indianapolis. I'd rather work 8hrs/day in Indianapolis, than work 19/hrs a day just to spend 2 nights a week in Bend. I know a guy who "lives" in Sisters (his wife & kids live there), but he commutes to Davis, CA on Sun night and back here on Fri night.

NO THANKS.

Anonymous said...

Bend has dreams of making everything work in ten years or twenty. The reality is Bend needs a 100-year plan, because that's honestly how long it takes to build something like a Research Triangle, Harvard-MIT corridor, or Silicon Valley.

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Tim, your correct, but where will the money come from?

I don't want to be negative. But honestly our elected leaders don't even read what they sign, and have publicly admitted so.

We have a 35 year plan, that was developed by morons, and un-read by our leaders.

If your sincere, then what we need to do is have a multi-generational plan of breeding leaders ( polly-tick-ians ) who can read and write, and who WILL read and write.

The above said, why should the government be involved in planning. Let's hypothetically agree Bend is nice, but why?

Did somebody in the BAY a hundred years before Leland Stanford got rich say "lets plan this a hundred years in advance." ...

SHIT happens, and Stanford was a RICH man. The bay had favorable things going for it.

On the other HAND bend is a little PIG in a desert town.

As IHTBYB always says, YOU CAN PUT all the lipstick on this pig you want, and you can plan for a 1,000 years, but its still a PIG.

WHY in the HELL should all the money and planning be spent here? This is just the dream of those owning construction firms.

Oregon has NO history of intellectualism ANYWHERE in this state.

This is like a Zimbabwe tribe, here it goes "Me Magabe, and if you elect me I'll get some hot-n-tots to have a 100 year plan, and we'll make zimbabwe a intellectual paradise rivaling ancient greece"...

WHY IN THE HELL do the people of BEND, and taxpayers, ... EVEN for a minute think that BEND ( Zimbabwe ) is destined for greatness?? THIS IS BULLSHIT.

BEND is a washed up little logging town, always has been always will be.

ANY attempt to plan greatness, is just a great way to employ planners, and burn money.

Look at Juniper Ridge, millions and millions have been wasted to date for what? This is how planning in Bend always evolves its just make work, to make insiders an easy buck.

Zimbabwe has a better chance of hosting the next Stanford than BEND.

Anonymous said...

these are commuting rent-a-house niggers fly all over the country on demand.

See, that's where the Quality Of Life quotient just goes into the shitter. Yeah, you "live" in paradise... - IHTBYB

******

Yeh, and this is how Oregon is, the best part is this guy is gone 28 days out of the month, and the wife is fucking 2 or 3 guys in town, where do you guys think our 2,000+ REHOS come from?

The divorce rate here is astro, about 2-3 years into the gig, she finally divorces him, she gets the farm, and he's back living in LA.

The best part is she becomes a "cougar".

Do you guys know how many cougars there are in Bend? A FUCKING ZILLION.

WHat is a cougar?? Its a middle age woman, with money, a big house, a BIG SUV, BIG tits, FUCKING a guy in his 20's. THIS IS THE OUTCOME of the BEND LIFESTYLE.

tim said...

>>If your sincere, then what we need to do is have a multi-generational plan of breeding leaders ( polly-tick-ians ) who can read and write, and who WILL read and write.

I agree. The very first step is not to build Juniper Ridge. The very first step is to become a smart community. Infrastructure. The very first step is to look at SMART SUCCESSFUL communities and follow their lead. You start simple, you don't waste on the grandiose.

Anonymous said...

BizBroker: "YES SIR! We have a wide variety of real estate business that will lose every employee on Day One, have zero recurring revenue, and whose market is imploding!"

BizBuyingIdiot: "SOUNDS PERFECT!"

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SOLD, I have been looking for a way to lose money and live in a wonderful place, and encourage wife to divorce me, Alimony is my dream, and child support. - George of the Jungle.

tim said...

>>Did somebody in the BAY a hundred years before Leland Stanford got rich say "lets plan this a hundred years in advance." ...

The Research Triangle WAS planned, and that was 50 years ago. BUT, the plan made sense, because of the EXISTING universities.

So, yeah, you have to have a plan that makes sense, and it's awfully hard to do that in Bend, a place that makes little economic sense.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


WHat is a cougar?? Its a middle age woman, with money, a big house, a BIG SUV, BIG tits, FUCKING a guy in his 20's. THIS IS THE OUTCOME of the BEND LIFESTYLE.


Dude... I thought you were trying to DISCOURAGE IMMIGRATION!

This "cougar" thing don't sound all bad...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

We have a 35 year plan, that was developed by morons, and un-read by our leaders.

http://bend2030.com

From the Front Page, top center:

Set alongside the Deschutes River, where the Cascade Mountains meet the high desert, Bend in 2030 is a vibrant, dynamic and beautiful city. We are committed, respectful, and engaged citizens supported by a powerful community vision, open and accessible leadership, collaborative community groups, and ongoing civic dialogue....

Vague, lifestyle, bullshit marketing is apparently Bends future.

Vision Stakeholders? WTF? Man, that is some stupid ass crap.

The Bend 2030 Board is designed to be a public/private partnership that will foster support for and oversee implementation of the Bend 2030 Action Plans. Bend 2030 is in the process of becoming a legal 501(c)3 non-profit organization with a governing board.

OK, this is "Bend2030": A monthly cluster fuck dating service where everyone gets hammered on uppity wine, and gets the clap from titty-bangin' some big double D's.

Vision Stakeholders, my ass.

Anonymous said...

"This is a small desert mill town..."

A seriously dumbass comment. Apparently you can't see the forest OR the trees, or the mountains, or the lakes, or the rivers.

Bend certainly has its share of problems, but it is not a "small desert milltown".

Anonymous said...

This "cougar" thing don't sound all bad...

Merenda's bar is a good place for observing magnificent cougars in their native habitat.

Anonymous said...

But [Patrick McGinnis's] whole "telecommuter thesis" of Bend affluence... that's bothersome

It's not only bothersome, it's bullshit. How many people in Bend actually are long-distance lifestyle commuters? I'm thinking it's gotta be less than 1% of our workforce -- probably considerably less.

And how many of those are going to be able to sustain that lifestyle for five, 10, 15 years?

Anecdotal evidence -- "I know this guy who ..." -- is worthless. Just more smoke and mirrors to try to convince people that living in Bend is economically viable for ordinary folks (i.e., those who are not trustafarians or rich retirees).

Anonymous said...

Vague, lifestyle, bullshit marketing is apparently Bends future.

Well, what's a town gonna do when that's all it's got? We exhausted our only significant natural resource, timber. Agriculture can't sustain a city of 75,000. All we have left to sell is the land itself and the amenities -- clean air( for now), pretty mountains (when you can see them), nice weather (for three months a year), and recreation opportunities (if you want to fight your way through the crowds).

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


Merenda's bar is a good place for observing magnificent cougars in their native habitat.


There's nothing better than seeing a hottie from the rear, and then have her turn around and have these huge double D's, skinny, what appears to be a decent butt & legs packed into a velour sweatsuit... and then you see by her face & neck that she's 75 YEARS OLD!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'M CONFUSED & HORNY!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Anonymous said...

I will ask the queston again as noone seems to have an answer.

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I will ask the queston again as noone seems to have an answer.

Just so you know, that is an irrational course of action.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?


If you're talking CA, OR, or WA... Twisp & Winthrop WA are cool, and they are real touristy. Port Angeles WA area is cool. These are all NOT REAL towns though. They're like Sisters -- crap.

If I had to "Blue Sky" a town on W Coast from scratch, it's probably be Walla's, Quad cities, Bend, or Boise (cheating a little).

CA is not really a state, it's an insane asylum.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

And if you're really looking for a neat place to go for awhile, take Hwy 97 all the way up to the Canadian border at Osoyoos, and drive around there at Kelowna, BC & the lake there. Wineries everywhere, and little roadside fruit stands, quaint restaurants, beautiful farm country and just picturesque as hell (I was there in late Summer). My God, it's like you've died and gone to Heaven.

Anonymous said...

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?
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I have the answer to ALL questions.

Your answer is the San Juan Islands.

It is paradise if you have a boat in the summer, and quite nice in the winter.

Friday Harbor is exactly like our little whore Sister ( Sisters ), thus for you that MUST live in a west coast tourist town, may I suggest Friday Harbor.

Lastly, Friday Harbor has a wonderful Shoulder-Economy all biz takes place May->Sep, otherwise ghost town.

Now I'll ask the question. Why in the hell would ANYONE want to live in a tourist/resort town?

There are dozens in the San Juans, like Rosario.

Want the best gated-community in America? Point Roberts in Washington. It has the largest population of people in the witness protection program in America.

Anonymous said...

Vision Stakeholders? WTF? Man, that is some stupid ass crap.


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A vision stake-holder is MIKE HOLLERN.

In Oregon a 'stake-holder' is the folks who get rich from the plan.


It's NOT stupid, all this stuff is well planned.

Make Brooks rich at taxpayers expense is the plan, always been the plan, always will be the plan.

Welcome to Bend.

Anonymous said...

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?

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I'll ASK the fucking question now. If you want a RESORT-TOWN, why in the FUCK are you on this BLOG?

GOLF & SKIING ONLY exist in BEND to sell RE.

We're NOT a resort town, we're RE Condo Time-Share WHORE-HOUSE.

FAR FUCKING CRY from a resort town. WHAT kind of rich person wants to be hustled 24/7 by a bunch of REHO's trying to dump time in Brasaada, Proghorn, or Tetherow?

Bend is just a cheap little tourist town, exactly like Friday Harbor, which incidentally also has downtown that is 2 by 3 blocks, and is ALL RE shops.

Bend Economy Man said...

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I'M CONFUSED & HORNY!

Paul, you're also married... does your wife know your blogging handle?

Mine doesn't, so I guess, Even Steven, right?

Anonymous said...

I was thinking of a Cougar of about 45 who took her telecommuting hubby to cleaners. He's down working LA 24-7, she's up here near Sisters on 'his/her' hobby farm.

She's got a 20 something boyfriend, we used to call board-head.

This whole story about tele-commuters in Bend is old re-hash, some say its 10%, today someone said 1%, we know its not many. We have heard many times on this blog by bozos how there are +25% of these types in Bend, I concur its probably below 2%. Ergo they're quite irrelevant.

What we do know is that if you keep your wife alone in Bend, and your out of town, she will play, and you will pay. This is a proven fact.

The 75 year old Cougar @ merenda with big tits, and skinny ass sounds scary, I too have seen them. They're not likely to even attract the 20 year old un-employables in Bend, but they obviously attract someone otherwise they wouldn't be @ Merenda.

Over the years if I had nickel for every guy I have met @ Deschutes who came to Bend, bought a farm, worked his ass off, got a divorce, lost his farm. Now has alimony and child support, and there's a young guy living on HIS farm with his 'ex' I would have a lot of nickels. The majority of these gals become REHO's or massage-therapists when the alimony runs out.

Beware of single REHO's or LMT's in Bend that own their own farm, they could be looking for a new farm. There are lots of cougars on the prowl in Bend.

Anonymous said...

dartagnan said...

Vague, lifestyle, bullshit marketing is apparently Bends future.

Well, what's a town gonna do when that's all it's got? We exhausted our only significant natural resource, timber.

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Wow what happened to you, your sounding like us.

What's most interesting is that this old mill town was ran as a company town by Brooks, and they bring an heir MBA up from cali in the 1960's to market the timber land as resort property. Over the years it became 'human see, human do'.

Now everybody and their dog has over marketed Bend as paradise. Hollern himself ( Brook heir / cali MBA ) is pissed that Bend is now just a town of non-placement-bound people, with no real children, and no real jobs.

Well guess what Mr. Hollern, what you sow, so shall ye reap.

Anonymous said...

There is NO doubt that Bend is an over marketed shit hole. Well described in this current blog.

Modern advertising only started in the 1920's, and certainly modern marketing not far thereafter. Marketing is "Creating a Need". Trouble is everybody that could BUY a second home in Bend, did BUY, and now they want to sell the dog.

Today ALL company's ONLY 'Brand', ever thing is Made in China.

Bend is a "Brand'. We here it all the time "Bend is the only resort on the west coast", ... "Bend is Paradise". Brasada, Tetherow, Pronghorn, Sunriver, Black-Butte, they're all Products that demand on the "Bend Brand"

Problem is today too many Weasels have put ALL their money into Bend.

Band as a Brand is today about as OJ-Simpson paraphernalia. Most people are all wrapped up in the dream of Bend. Drive around look around, its just like any other Southern California bedroom community, Walmart and ALL.

Today only a complete moron sucker would buy into the Brooks Resources myth that Bend is special.

When was the last time someone on this blog suggested that Bend was a destination for the rich? NADA

Just like OJ Simpson, its now jail time, a lot of people made a lot of money in Bend hustling people out of their 401K's, and turning retiree's into paupers. Now the lawsuits begin, civil, and then criminal.

Anonymous said...

Paul, you're also married... does your wife know your blogging handle?

Mine doesn't, so I guess, Even Steven, right?

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Shit, we all have too much in common.

I have been married for 30+ year to the same women.

She knows I spend too much fucking time on the computer, but has no fucking idea NOR interest in why. That said she adamantly doesn't approve of me playing in politics.

Lately, its been said that we're just a club using code-words. I think we have stayed on target for quite awhile. The arguments to date have been "NIMBY", "All birds signing same song", ... I think we have all seen it coming. Just as Duncan pointed out yesterday, all the downtown businesses shutting down, are one that have been around 20+ years, they know whats coming.

I really think we have reach the time of silence, the people that Ray Kuratek calls "Good old Boyz", aka the people who have been around Bend +2 generations are now just watching the newbies. It's a good time to watch. In the past ten years new faces are everywhere in political power, and they brought in International Banking & Finance. Now the plug is being pulled.

Nobody wants Bend on their portfolio anywhere in the world. They ALL know its the most over-priced RE in America.

We're in RE paralysis for Commercial and Residential, nobody 'yet' wants to sell at a loss, and nobody can buy because nobody has cash.

The past 4+ years have been a hell of a party on HELOC money. Most of the newbies will move on. I spend a lot of time hiking and biking in Bend. The newbies came here to make money. We have said over & over here that unless your rich its a tough life in Bend. Most have always had to work two jobs. Most people did more recreation here before they moved here.

The newbies have worked their ass have making money, now they're going to work their ass off losing money. They say they came to Bend for the recreation, but they only work.

Old timers know exactly what is coming. Time to pull in your belt, time to watch your spending, time to NOT flaunt your wealth. Time to just let the seasons pass.

In time some will say "I told you so", but much of Bend was marketing. The idea that you could force something to be something if you spend enough money on PR & Marketing. This is how the politicians of today running Bend think. Trouble is the money is gone, and thus there whole machine will now come to a grinding halt.

The other day they had a problem with Juniper Ridge, what was the first thing they demanded? More PR.

PR isn't going to fix Bend. PR is what created the current mess, and only time and hard work, and austerity will fix Bend.

Anonymous said...

City of Bend's Juniper Ridge Master Developer was recently quoted on his thoughts about our city...

BEND

"It's like a town in Mississippi in the '50s with this good old boy network, its going to be difficult to get anything done."

- Ray Kuratek, Managing Partner
Juniper Ridge Partners, LLC
The Source May 18, 2006

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Ray Kuratek, JR master planner, JR master developer, JR master banker, JR master blaster, ...

Bend's very own private Rasputin, the man that led Bend city council off the cliff like a bunch of lemmings.

Kuratek was successful, he got $2.5M for nuttin, he created an environment where everything was done in secret. He convinced city council that read documents was taken care of, he promised to protect the electable's in times of good & bad.

I'm NOT suggesting that Kuratek is any thing special, its just the simple fact that a cali can come up here in a k-mart suit, and flim-flam this gullible white-trash city council into giving away tax-payer dollars. It's now been over a year, and still NOT a single head has rolled. Hummel was smart enough to bail. To date the mea-culpa has been "I didn't read anything". Guess what it works, because nobody reads anything. This town is pathetic, we're going to have Kurateks by the 1,000's descending on this town, if we don't enforce the open-meeting laws, and ban secret signing statements and MOU's.

The government that "KURATEK" aka UBS bank courtesy of the Malaysian Government has created in Bend must be completely flushed down the toilet.

"Good ol boy network" is a code-word for those that want Oregon Laws enforced. Kuratek and ilk despise the laws of Oregon, they came of from cali like Mike Hollern and completely ignored the law. Hollern has been getting away with it for 40+ years. Kuratek could be breeding, there could be a whole new dynasty being spawned.

Somebody the other day I think BEM said we need to be smarter about Bend business, hell HOLLERN bougth and paid for the "Smart Growth" of the past 5+ years. The entire city government of this area is completely under the ideology of boss hogg Hollern.

Fixing Bend is going to take MORE than slogans, but to begin with the 450's sigs from prior "Old Boy Network" is the right track. The NEW BOY FLIM-FLAM NETWORK had their chance, and they have brought us bankruptcy and insolvency.

First Step is all we can achieve on this blog, and that is to get all to admit we have a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM.

Anonymous said...



BEND

"It's like a town in Mississippi in the '50s with this good old boy network, its going to be difficult to get anything done."

- Ray Kuratek, Managing Partner
Juniper Ridge Partners, LLC

Anonymous said...

We have said over & over here that unless your rich its a tough life in Bend. Most have always had to work two jobs. Most people did more recreation here before they moved here.
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Have aqll those that believe this lived elsewhere? I know lots of kids moving here Froma av variety of states and cities, finding a place to live and work is EASY!!!
Great snowboarding, good pubs, safe for the family. Housing is not cheap, but much less the good cities and much less the ski resort towns I have lived in. Plus the pay is not bad.

just my thoughts a s a new kid in town

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Paul, you're also married... does your wife know your blogging handle?

Mine doesn't, so I guess, Even Steven, right?


My wife KNOWS I look at other chicks. Hell, I've gotten her to the point where she'll point out especially hot ones that I miss.

Ladies, MEN LIKE WOMEN. Ain't gonna change. But just cuz I'm lookin' at the Mona Lisa, doesn't mean I wanna take it home & hump it.

Unless you're OK with that.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

She knows I spend too much fucking time on the computer, but has no fucking idea NOR interest in why. That said she adamantly doesn't approve of me playing in politics.

Oh yeah... my wife the same. Doesn't know how to email people. Yeah.

"Here. Just sit here & type what you want to say to your sister. When you're done get up & walk away. Don't touch anything."

The first time I told her to just "type her message", she called me back after an hour of tying, saying "It's Gone!".

"What happened?"

"Well, I hit a button called "Trash", and when it said "Do you really want to delete this message", I clicked "OK". And then it was gone."

THAT'S when I had to revert to DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING type messages, cuz she doesn't even understand the sequence of events that led to that deletion. About 98% of my Bend area females clients are at around that level of tech sophistication, or worse.

Anonymous said...


Great snowboarding, good pubs, safe for the family. Housing is not cheap, but much less the good cities and much less the ski resort towns I have lived in. Plus the pay is not bad.

just my thoughts a s a new kid in town



What BULLSHIT. First of ALL dude skiing hasn't started yet, and this town is NOT a fucking ski resort. Yes, we have a lift up on the MTN, but you better work there if you intend to ski there.

Every kid I meet is leaving this place, those that haven't are living out of their car.

Where are they going? Most are going to very rural areas in the mountains of Colorado.

A "new kid in town', but worried about 'safety in pubs', and 'housing'. Pleeeeeeze don't you have something better to do? Kids in Bend that aren't living in their car are living ten to a dump. The only kid bar in town is Domino, and its a fucking dump.

Where do you find these people?

The only kids that I know in Bend that think this town is cool, its kids about 25, that live with their 'retired parents', Bend is a cool town if you can live with mommy and daddy until your 40, and don't ever have to get a job.

Anonymous said...

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?

Tahoe comes to mind.

Anonymous said...

i know a people that are 18 to 25 that like bend alot!

Anonymous said...

i know a people that are 18 to 25 that like bend alot!

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eey doo tu, but a wiv wif mum n dady,

Anonymous said...


i know a people that are 18 to 25 that like bend alot!


like ya, hear at de jufennale hall wee all liek to bee bak in bend

but no i hav to say in dis plac til i tun 21, so say de juddg

wun dae i cum bjak to bend win me git er hout

av ery wun hear luv de ben

Anonymous said...

I love bend, but my boyfriend needs ride from lakeview to bend - can someone please help us??

We're only 18, and when we get settled in bend we plan on beginning responsible real estate flippers.


18 year old Inmate Escapes From Oregon Prison at Lakeview headed to bend, because all 18-25 year olds love bend


The inmate's sentence began in June, he had a projected release date in March.
18-year old Chad Lee Edwards was serving 13 months for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle
18-year old Chad Lee Edwards was serving 13 months for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle

(LAKEVIEW, Ore.) - A minimum-custody inmate escaped Friday, Sept. 21 from Warner Creek Correctional Facility in Lakeview. He was discovered missing during the 10:30 p.m. inmate count. Preliminary information indicates that he may be headed toward Bend.

18-year old Chad Lee Edwards was serving 13 months for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle from Deschutes County, and that sentence was running concurrently with a 14-month sentence for driving with a suspended/revoked license. His sentence began in June and had a projected release date in March.

Edwards is described as a white male, 5'9" tall, weighing 160 lbs. He has blond hair and brown eyes. He has no scars or tattoos. He was last seen wearing blue jeans with the word "inmate" stenciled on the knee in orange and a blue T-shirt similarly stenciled.

As a minimum security prison, Warner Creek houses minimum-custody inmates with less than three years remaining on their sentences. It has a single perimeter fence topped with concertina wire. Prison officials say the method of escape is under investigation.

Anonymous said...

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?

Tahoe comes to mind.

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Cureous about the dumb fuck that said this, hopefully not the sameone that mentioned people need to travel more.

You are LUCKY to get a decnt job in Tahoe and cost of housing makes Bend look like 1998

Anonymous said...

You are LUCKY to get a decnt job in Tahoe and cost of housing makes Bend look like 1998 - dumb fuck

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Go to craigs and check tahoe, and learn to spell.

Anonymous said...

If you want to live in a resort town on the West Coast, Where do you go?


If you want to live in a resort town please go. Bend IS NOT a resort town. In spite of all the taxpayer dollars spent promoting such, Bend is NOT a resort town.


The presence of 24 mediocre golf courses designed ONLY to sell Real Estate does NOT make a resort town.

Bend is a washed up, over hyped old logging town in the outback desert of Oregon.

Anonymous said...

Cureous about the dumb fuck that said this ...

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Oh, so now the criteria for a resort town is inexpensive, I thought Bend was full of rich people that burn't money?

Money is tired all logging town, full of tight ass home flippers that refused to even pay for sewage treatment. Bend is not, and has never been favored by the 'rich'.

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