Monday, September 29, 2008

Fear Nation

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Well, I'm going to do a short entry to break up the comments. And call me stupid, but as I noted earlier this week, there is a Big Element of Fear to Gee Dub's agenda.

This credit crunch is The Third Big One: First, the Iraq "War". And I always try to use quotes around "War", cuz it was never really a war, but more the annihilation of a country for oil, and a little payback for wanting to kill Daddy Bush, which I can understand.

Second, I group into Katrina Fear, but it's really the fear of natural disasters, Katrina just made it possible.

Third is this credit crisis. And this seems to be The Big One. I've heard such crap as we will be thrown into a Second Great Depression by today, if the Monster Pork Barrel $700bb bailout doesn't pass. THAT is how bad Wall Streeters want this thing.

I guess I don't know what The Bush Doctrine is either, outside of this Rule By Fear Agenda he's got going. Is this what Hitler did? Seriously. This is starting to feel like some sort of whacked dictator is running things.

And contrary to what hbm, Brucey, and Dunc think, I am a Repug that can think for himself. And if I had my druthers, McPain would come in Dead Last in the election, Osama would come in second, and some other Decent Candidate would win. Maybe Ron Paul, or someone. But that ain't gonna happen. It'll be one of these 2 ididots, both of whom are sellouts, and I suppose of the 2, I'd rather have Obama.

So I can think for myself, which is more than I can say for a lot of people. I'm thinking of registering Independent. The Dem's and Repug's are turning into twisted abominations, that aren't even about representing this countries people, but are more about hating each other.

Oy, this Fear Nation Rule has just reached a fever pitch, and there is no precedent for it. At least The "War" had 9/11. The hurricane fears had Katrina. I guess this bailout has...What? Bear Stearns going bust? Lehman? I mean, Who Cares? These things are MEANT to go down, if they have killed themselves.

It starting to feel like we, and I mean the U.S.A. are The Next 800 trillion lb Elephant ready to fail. They are really afraid of something I said well over a year ago to much guffaw, that This Housing Collapse will bring down this country. We're starting to hear that from our "leaders".

Maybe there is precedent. Maybe they do know we are knocking on Death's Door. Maybe this is The Big One, the one from which we will never really recover. Maybe we are, right now, The World's Fannie, Freddie, AIG, WaMu and a whole lot yet to come, All Rolled Into One. We are The World's Too Big To Fail Institution. Maybe the rest of the World wants us saved, because if we go down, so do they.

OK, there's a pretty good piece about the rising vacancy rates in Bend commercial property today. Watch for the "Zingers", the Games People Play That Don't Make Sense.

For businesses, a renters’ market
By Jeff McDonald / The Bulletin

With vacancy rates for Bend’s commercial office space at 13.5 percent — more than double the empty space available early last year and a number that is expected to rise — landlords are offering incentives that range from rent reduction to tenant improvements to handing out cash.

The latest incentive for businesses looking to expand is geared toward helping companies overcome the financial hurdles resulting from the credit crunch; namely, the lack of financing available upfront for overhead costs such as new office computers and other equipment, and tenant improvements, said Brian Fratzke, principal broker for Fratzke Commercial Real Estate in Bend.

“A lot of landlords will take the first tenant with a pulse and a pocketbook,” he said. “But when this thing turns around, they’re going to say, ‘Darn, I’ve just devalued my building.’”

Instead of lowering lease rates, which devalues the building over time, one of Fratzke’s clients, owner of the 2,800-square-foot RedBend Office Building near the Redmond Airport, will give the tenant the first six months of rent free, up to $27,000, Fratzke said.

This is equal to giving a free month’s rent at move-in and one every 12 months thereafter, which is a common incentive, Fratzke said.

“What often happens in rent abatement is tenants will get one month free every 12 months,” Fratzke said. “Over the course of a five-year lease, that adds up to six months free. What we’ve done is offer the six months free upfront, so that the tenant can pay for their move-in and overhead costs.”

Commercial brokers are offering more incentives to get deals done, trying to ease concerns about expanding during tight economic times, said Eric Strobel, business development manager at Economic Development for Central Or-egon, which promotes business growth in the region.

“Anything that can be done on the commercial broker side to alleviate pressure on the company is helpful,” Strobel said. “Any help that can be given on the front end is a huge decision-making factor for the company.”

While tight credit sometimes makes it difficult for a company to expand, that’s a better problem to have than needing more credit to survive, Strobel said.

The slowdown in the commercial office sector has put growing companies in the driver’s seat when it comes to renegotiating lease terms or moving into new buildings, said Darren Powderly, a broker with Compass Commercial Real Estate Services in Bend.

“If a client says to me they will pay the asking price, without tenant improvements, but they want a check for $10,000, we’ll look at that,” Powderly said. “Obviously we want to look at their creditworthiness, and get corporate and personal guarantees (that they will stay for the length of the lease). If they walk a month later, you’re not looking very smart.”

Other trends include significantly cutting the rates on the first two years of a lease deal, Powderly said.

“Ironically, the tight credit market is helping leasing,” he said. “Even if the company thinks they’re in a great position to buy, they can’t get a mortgage. There’s no other option but to lease. It’s added some activity that would otherwise go toward purchasing.”

Bill Moseley, president of GL Suite, a software development company in north Bend, had planned to construct a new building in the NorthWest Crossing industrial area and move there when his lease expires in April.

But the slowdown in the commercial office market, along with higher costs of construction, has made it more expensive to put up a new building than to buy an existing one, Moseley said.

That, coupled with shrinking demand for space from real estate-related firms and several new, still-vacant buildings that have come online this year, makes leasing a no-brainer, Moseley said.

“It’s been bad for everyone else, but if you’re someone leasing or considering buying a building, there’s no better time.”

The Bulletin, Always Selling RE. Just can't help it.

Vacancies rising? Hell, that's Great News!

Vacancies falling? Hell, that's Great News!

I like how giving 6 months Free Rent at an inflated rent rate makes the building More Valuable. Here's a pic of a Realtor & his reading material, who believes such tripe:
Please, don't drop your monthly rate, just give 6 free months rent instead! That doesn't hurt property values! Now I have to go read something important that's been confusing me...

Another good piece this week is by Fleckenstein.

What's next, a ban on stock sales?

Prices aren't to the government's liking, so it's changing the rules on the fly, and no one knows where or when new lines eventually will be drawn.
By Bill Fleckenstein

The Securities and Exchange Commission has a list, and it's checking it twice. It's a compendium of nearly 1,000 companies the so-called watchdog has now pronounced off-limits to short-selling.

If this do-not-short list weren't such a travesty, it would be hilarious. Among the companies the SEC wants to "protect" are the ones -- Moody's (MCO, news, msgs) and McGraw-Hill (MHP, news, msgs), to name just two -- that did such a horrendous job rating the mortgage paper that helped cause this debacle in the first place.

The Cox virus unleashed

In the end, SEC Chairman Chris Cox and friends will discover that this will turn out to be an epic example of the law of unintended consequences. They've probably just succeeded in blowing up a tremendous number of quantitative-oriented money managers and hedge funds. In essence, this targets anyone who runs a long-short fund or arbitrage fund of any kind, and anyone who manages any sort of stock basket.

To distill those gory details down to their essence, what the SEC has done is guarantee that less liquidity will be available for markets.

I suppose that if this doesn't work, the next step will be to just outlaw selling altogether. After all, that does seem to be the government's response to prices it doesn't like. There was a witch hunt for speculators in commodities on the long side when oil (and various food items) went higher over the summer. Obviously, we've seen that lower stock prices have also precipitated a government response.

So when the bond market eventually revolts -- because of the cumulative effect of the Federal Reserve’s monetizing any and all pieces of paper the Treasury buys -- is the government then going to ban the short-selling of government bonds? Will it eventually say you can't sell dollars? How is any rational person supposed to plan for where the government may draw the line as to what sort of "manipulation" it may condone?

Meanwhile, one item you'll likely never see on the SEC's to-do list: leading the charge on reforming financial statements. Scrutiny of IBM (IBM, news, msgs) would be a perfect start, as the company has shown itself to be a financial engineer of the first order. Nevertheless, IBM last Tuesday begged its way onto the do-not-short list.

This happened even as IBM has been borrowing money to buy back its own shares while it crows about what good shape it's in. The stock is off only about 15% from the highest price it's ever traded at. And it sports a short interest of 10 million shares -- not that much more than IBM trades on any given day and microscopic relative to the 1.354 billion shares it has outstanding.

Any real, untroubled company would be completely embarrassed to be on that list. Thus, in my opinion, IBM's actions are perfectly fitting with how it operates.

The on-closer-inspection rejection

Of course, anyone with any knowledge of history and an IQ above room temperature knows that many of the financial institutions now in trouble have themselves, not the short sellers, to thank for their plights. I'd like to offer the following example, via a recent Bloomberg story headlined "Ten days changed Wall Street as Bernanke saw 'massive failures'":

"The storm in the markets began with a long-deferred nod to reality by Lehman. The 158-year-old, New York-based firm had possible acquirers inspecting its books. They discovered that Lehman hadn't yet written down its portfolio of subprime mortgages . . . as aggressively as some other Wall Street firms."

So, in all likelihood, what the short sellers are being blamed for is the harsh reality that Lehman shareholders would just as soon not take "ownership" of. That is not to say there wasn't any short-selling, but rather that short interest in Lehman was never large. In fact, short-selling was rather modest. As of the last reading, it had dropped to just less than 28 million shares from almost 54 million in June. (For reference, the company had 689 million shares outstanding.)

Security says, 'Remove your shoes -- and your shorts'

Nonetheless, despite any and all facts to the contrary, the SEC and the government have resolved to pursue their idiotic "solution" in terms of banning short-selling of certain stocks for the time being. They also have demonstrated that rules don't mean anything, because they are willing to change them whenever it suits their purposes, no matter how disruptive or foolhardy those changes may be.

A friend summed up the situation by commenting that we're in an environment where "short sellers . . . are risking private money betting against badly run businesses and governments are risking public money betting in favor of badly run businesses. You don't need a Ph.D. in finance to know which group of folks believe in truth and free markets. . . . You can expect to see all foreign banks move their toxic waste to their U.S. subsidiaries for delivery to Henry's Helpful Handouts."

One wouldn't have to be too cynical to conclude that we now know the real reason Treasury chief Hank Paulson decided he needed a $700 billion bazooka. I don't mind him helping out old friends at Goldman Sachs (GS, news, msgs), and I would prefer that the financial system not implode. But I find this bailout bill completely outrageous. Though I won't hold my breath, I hope it doesn't get enacted as currently proposed.

The silver lining: Halting a money-fund run

If I were to try to find the piece of last week's actions that was least objectionable, I would say it was putting a halt to the run on the money market funds. I know that places at a disadvantage all the people who prudently owned government-only paper, like many of my readers. But just as, when push came to shove, American International Group (AIG, news, msgs) had to be bailed out, a run on the money market funds would have been devastating to too many innocent bystanders.

The bottom line is that the government has decided it doesn't like where the prices of houses are, where the prices of mortgage-related debt securities are, where the prices of commodities are and where certain stock prices are, so it has elected to change them all by fiat. It won't work, and one of these days, the bond market will be absolutely shattered.

If Congress manages to agree on a bailout bill, the financial crisis will probably be over (but I'll reserve judgment until I see the action in all markets in the wake of the legislation).To that extent, the government's actions will keep the economy from getting "extra-worse" on the back of a stock market crash and a run on the money funds.

Having said that, when folks discover just how weak the economy is, especially now that we've blown out all kinds of participants in the stock market, we may still get some sort of a crash or serious sleigh ride south, though it's really hard to draw conclusions at the moment.

We obviously have been close to a crash in the stock market and a seizing up of the financial system. But regardless of what the "experts" say (most of them, after all, saw none of these problems coming), my fear is that the worst is still in front of us.

Keep the plates spinning. Fear Nation. If we don't keep the plates spinning.... What? We'll all have to actually... My God.... Live Within Our Means? Guns, butter, beans, and Gallo?

I don't think we'll collapse into a New Stone Age. We'll simply have to spend what we make, and Stop. And that's it. But to The New Corporate Government, that is Armaggedon. That's The End of the World. There's no point in even surviving such a disaster.

I see the markets are cratering this morning. Citi going to take over Wachovia. Wachovia hasn't opened yet, but pre-market, it is indicated down 90%, from $10 to 90 cents per share.

I really hate saying I told you so, but... well, let's say I was part of a small cadre of people who said this thing would end catastrohically early on. Over a year and a half ago. I said the US would, as a country, actually become Second Fiddle. We would become a has-been. You are watching The Fall of a Civilization. There are a lot of people for whom it will not be apparent until it is over, but it is apparent to me that it is inevitable. It's happening right now. We are bearing witness to a country destroying itself.

It's why I disagreed with BEM & Buster about "doing something" to Save Bend. Bend cannot be saved, it is Far Worse Off than the rest of the country. This country will tear itself to pieces trying to save itself, like a wolverine in a burlap sack thrown into a river. Nothing will help. Nothing will save Bend either.

I've also said that I hoped to position myself Delta Negative for this thing. Hell, that's like standing on the last point of the Titantic to go down. I'm probably only doing well with respect to those that are already in the water. This thing will take us all down.

There's nothing to do about this thing. It's like the tsunami of ~3 yrs ago: It's an unstoppable force. It'll wipe clean everything in it's way. And right now, we are in it's way. This bailout is like building a 1ft tall wall of sandbags against an unstoppable tsunami, 100% futile. It makes The Bulletin's attempts to revive Bend RE pretty laughable. Remind me of yet another recent Fleckstein piece:

Whatever we do, it will be wrong

It's time to start thinking about digging out from this crumbled financial house of cards. With heaps of blame to go around, it's clear that past policies won't help.
By Bill Fleckenstein

Tread lightly and thoughtfully
Events continue to move at a fast and furious pace. I don't think we've seen the last of startling actions. As for the investment ramifications of all of this action and potential future action, I think folks need to understand that amid the crosscurrents and head fakes, the potential to make mistakes is going to be extremely high. Probably the fewer decisions made right now, the better.

However, all decisions should be made with the expectation that the economic and financial environment will get far worse. For those of us who are professionals, a friend suggested that Henry Kissinger's comments about the Balkans should be kept in mind: "Whatever you do will be wrong, including nothing." That seems an appropriate warning.

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Anonymous said...

and hbm is also 201st

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

What's really WEIRD about this whole bailout bsiness, is he PRESUMPTION that IF it passes, THEN everything will be OK.

hbm... you seem to intimate this. The The Bailout will lead us all to the Glory Hole. This is absurd.

This thing shifts wildly overpriced assets from one place (banks), to another (AmeriKKKan taxpayers). And do NOT believe the BULLSHIT about the US Gov't somehow BREAKING EVEN on this thing. It'll cost us TRILLIONS.

Yeah, I believe Osama: He says we'll MAKE A PROFIT on this thing. Really? A profit on the very Bad Debts that are about to sink The Entire World's Financial Infrastructure? We'll make a profit on that?

No. Stop LYING Barack. We will lose everything.

We will look back in a year or two... maybe less, and see this bailout was a Bizarro World Robin Hood steal from the poor, give to the rich GRIFT the likes of which will never be seen again.

All fueled by LIB'S.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

So.... is there confirmation that Steve Dorn hung himself?

Yup... this bubble is GREAT.

Anonymous said...

People are saying hanged. I doubt we'll get confirmation on the method.

I did hear it was a suicide. Who cares how he did it?

Anonymous said...

hbm... you seem to intimate this. The The Bailout will lead us all to the Glory Hole. This is absurd.

Sarah Sockpuppet will fix everything. She and her fundie believers will pray this toxic debt back to massive capital gains so high the government will pay very high capital gains taxes to itself, and everybody will get tax refunds just like in Alaska.

LavaBear said...

I've been describing the Bailout as Paulson is trying to swallow the cow.

He swallowed the cow to catch the goat.
He swallow the goat to catch the dog.
He swallow the dog to catch the cat.
He swallowed the cat to catch the spider.
He swallowed the spider to catch the fly.

The horse is next and that kills 'em every time.

Just substitute Bear, Lehman, Fannie, Freddie, AIG, WAMU, Wachovia....

Anonymous said...

3. Terrible news about Steve Dorn. I think the Real Estate he has will turn out to be minimal. But that RV/Marine business has got to be rough right now. Who is NOT trying to dump the boats and RVs they bought with HELOCs right now?

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TT, DORN had 10X the RE investment BULLSHIT of AUDIA, and you call that minimal, his Redmond or his McCall, ID would have brought most mortals down.

Anonymous said...

``In the past couple of weeks, fair-value accounting has been under attack,'' JPMorgan Chase & Co. analyst Dane Mott wrote in a report today. ``Blaming fair-value accounting for the credit crisis is a lot like going to a doctor for a diagnosis and then blaming him for telling you that you are sick.'' ...

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Yep, banning 'mark to market' will buy them all enough time to move out of a shit-hole called the USA.

There will be TWO set's of books, one for the domestic, and one for foreigners.

Welcome to the USA.

Anonymous said...

Hey KUNT's great editorial today in the Wall Street Journal.

They're calling for Intl Currency back by gold, and and exiting the dollar, which is now worthless.

Who would have guessed.

I concur, the dollar is now the most despised currency on earth.

Anonymous said...

Marge,

What do I always say about Bend, and its sister city Sand Point, Idaho?

Home of Mark Furhman, aka "Can't we just get along and kill all the nigger's today"??

McCall is nice, I think all those METH heads robbing the RV center must have got to Steve.

The Idaho thing hurts real bad nice development now worth much less than cost.

Most interesting is the 'dollar tree' deal that was just permitted a week ago in Reddy, the deal must have fell through, IMHO that was the straw that broke the camels back.

No TT, this suicide is not about a lag in selling RV's, in that biz like auto's you learn the cycles, gas RV's go down, diesel goes up, big goes down, compact portable goes up, people really don't stop fucking in campers.

This DUDE had his life savings, and all his cash tied up in Real Estate, and most of the deals were late in the game like Audia.

You don't get involved in Building in Reddy or McCall, ID in 2006, and certainly doing commercial deal's in reddy on Sep 23, 2008.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Last Sunday's classifieds:

RV BUSINESS FOR SALE, OR TRADE. Excellent Highway-Frontage-Lease available. 541-419-0770.

No match on the phone number on Google.

Anonymous said...

From WSJ:

Mark to Mayhem

The Paulson plan's defeat on Monday was not the end of the world, and may not even be lasting. But it does invite us to revisit the sideshow of mark-to-market accounting.

Even as this agnostic column was giving birth to itself, the SEC's chief accountant released a new "interpretation" late yesterday meant to relax these vexatious rules. The Dow jumped 485 points. Were investors reacting to the SEC announcement -- or hope of the Paulson plan being revived in Congress? Perhaps they concluded that the two are one in the same.

OK, get out your NoDoz and let's wade in. Under current interpretation of accounting rules, banks can be obliged to value loan holdings based on their liquidation or fire-sale value, even if (as now) the fire-sale values are lower than might be suggested by the cash flow and payoff prospects of the underlying assets.

Now recall that accounting is a language of abstraction. In the normal case of a public company, whatever method it uses to value its assets, it merely provides a benchmark for investors to make their own judgments. Nobody takes accounting values as the final word.

Banks, though, are subject to regulatory capital standards and therefore can be rendered insolvent overnight based on an accounting writedown. At the moment, many banks are clinging to "market" values for loans that are higher than probable fire-sale values, and doing so on tenuous grounds. In kibitzing over the Paulson plan, indeed, one knotty question was how Treasury could buy such loans at a price "fair to taxpayers" without propelling the sellers into federal receivership.

Because of all this, the regulatory state finds itself in a somewhat absurd position -- its own rules could render many financial institutions insolvent in a manner inconvenient to the state.

We choose the adjective advisedly. These institutions are guaranteed by the federal government, implicitly or explicitly, so questions of solvency are largely academic -- except as to the value of their equity. In fact, much of the ferocious argument over mark-to-market really is a political battle between CEOs and short sellers for control of the stock price. Washington wishes they'd just shut up before savers and lenders join the argument -- because, in present circumstances, we'd call that a "bank run."

Then there's a third group on the sidelines who attribute religious or ethical superiority to mark-to-market. Their sentiments are simply misplaced. Mark-to-market and its alternatives all have their uses -- a rose by any other name. A savvy analyst looks at them all with the same gimlet eye.

But usefulness is not what we're talking about here -- we're talking about a regulatory trap for equity, created as an unintended consequence of a well-meaning accounting rule. Short sellers see this trap and try to exploit it. Uninsured lenders and depositors see it and worry about not getting paid back. That fear is why banks have all but stopped lending to each other -- and why Henry Paulson launched his plan, and why the SEC made its move yesterday.

Accounting straddles the real and unreal, so it's hard to guess how much difference getting rid of mark-to-market might really make. The only way to find out is to try.

A mere accounting rule change won't reduce foreclosures or raise home prices -- then again, if spared drastic writedowns, banks might be more willing to lend, raising home prices and reducing foreclosures.

A mere accounting rule can't alter the underlying economics of a lending business -- then again, no longer worried about insolvency-by-accountant, investors might discover new confidence to inject capital and improve the underlying economics of a lending business.

No accounting rule is worth $700 billion. Then again, the essence of the Paulson plan was to raise the value of bank assets to help banks escape the regulatory equity trap. Does that mean we can change an accounting rule and save Congress from having to appropriate $700 billion?

Let's find out.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

There's a video on The Bulletin's front page about Michigan being in the shitter, and the paid ad at the beginning was about registering to vote. You can tell pretty quick it's an Oh-Bomber piece.

But it IS effective. Tagline:

Don't Get Mad. Get Registered.

Finally... someone gets it.

Anonymous said...

Hard times catch up to Bend
by Michelle Cole, The Oregonian
Tuesday September 30, 2008, 9:12 PM


Uncompleted duplexes stand vacant in the Aubrey Butte neighborhood of west Bend. One of the hottest real estate markets in the country has gone flat. The drop in construction has rippled through the local economy and dramatically increased the number of families in need of state help.

BEND -- As the nation's leaders met behind closed doors hammering out a plan to save Wall Street, a crowd filled the lobby at 1300 N.W. Wall St. in Bend. This is one of the places where Oregonians come to ask the state for help.

The irony connecting the two Wall Streets couldn't be any greater.

All of Oregon has felt the sting of rising energy and food prices, job losses and real estate foreclosures. But central Oregon -- once the state's fastest-growing economy -- has been especially hard-hit. People here who never thought they'd apply for food stamps or need help paying their mortgages are finding their savings gone and credit cards maxed out. They have no other choice.

In 2005, during the building boom, Bend added more than 2,000 new single-family homes. So far this year, the city of Bend has processed just 234 permits for single-family homes. Locals say the market dropped almost overnight.

Samantha Carrillo, 19, and Gilonny Garcia, 29, were among those caught in the freefall. The couple and their two babies moved to Oregon in February. Garcia is a custom cabinet maker who hoped Bend's red-hot housing market wouldn't implode as he'd seen happen in California.

Garcia found a job right away. But a few months later, his employer was killed in a bicycle accident; on Aug. 26, Garcia was laid off. By then, he says, there was "just no work to be found."

Carrillo, a pretty woman with tired brown eyes, discovered there was also little help to be found.

She called church and community agencies only to be told they'd been deluged with requests and were running low on food, cash and other supplies.

Garcia's unemployment check amounts to $293 every two weeks. The family also receives $542 in food stamps. They quickly discovered that wasn't enough to cover their $795 a month rent, utilities and a $284.57 car payment. That's why the couple came Thursday to apply for cash help through the "Temporary Assistance for Needy Families" program.

Molly Custer, a state case manager, punched their information into the computer. But the numbers did not add up in the couple's favor.


"This is terrible"
Garcia earned too much through unemployment and could qualify for no more than $70 to tide them through September. His family might qualify for $354 in October.

When Custer left her desk to copy the couple's birth certificates and other documents, Carrillo began to cry.

"This is terrible," she said, tears streaming down her face.

"It will be OK," Garcia said softly, patting her on the back. "I'll find something."

It's hard to see walking the downtown streets that Bend has hit rough times. Shoe stores are still selling $300 women's boots, there are few vacant storefronts and the restaurants appear to be doing a brisk business.

But Justin Finestone, a spokesman for the city, said seven large commercial projects Bend had counted on this year were either postponed or canceled. That, along with the huge drop in new housing starts, has created a hole in the city budget and may force cuts in services and staff.

"People at first believed we were immune to the slowdown. By mid-June 2006, things stopped selling, but they didn't stop building," said Sharon Miller, executive director for Neighbor Impact, a community action agency providing food, energy and housing assistance in Deschutes, Jefferson and Crook counties.

More people seek aid
Last year, Neighbor Impact distributed about 5,000 emergency food boxes each month. This year, they're topping 9,000 food boxes a month. The number of households helped by the agency with their utility bills grew nearly 30 percent. And that's not counting the families turned away.

The Oregon Department of Human Services reports that the number of people receiving cash welfare assistance in the Bend/
Redmond area jumped nearly 60 percent, and the number of individuals receiving food stamps was up 29 percent in August compared with last year. Staff in the agency's Bend office have started scheduling group "orientation" meetings so they don't have to repeat the same information dozens of times each day.

More seek food help

Details here
"Right now we're seeing families and individuals who never thought they'd be here," said Angie Albiar, a local Human Services manager.

The newcomers include builders, small-business owners, massage therapists, hairstylists -- and many are ashamed to be there, Albiar said.

On Thursday, they included a middle-age blonde who works in the real estate industry. A deal she'd been waiting for had fallen through, and because she works on commission, that means she hasn't had a paycheck since July 15.

"I've been living off my savings and credit cards," she told Chris Perris, a food stamp intake worker.

Now, the woman said, she's two months behind on a $4,100 mortgage payment -- on a property that would sell for less than she owes.

She'd like to get food stamps for herself and her two children. If she qualifies, her family could receive as much as $426 a month. She says she knows that won't solve all her problems, but it would help.

"Did you think about applying earlier?" Perris said. "You paid into it, that's what it's there for."

"Yes," the woman says, quietly. "I thought about it."

Surviving on credit
Later that day, Perris saw a builder and his wife.

He's still owed for past jobs. Meanwhile, he said, the flow of new houses has dried up. The couple just received a foreclosure notice from their bank because they're two months behind on their $3,000 monthly mortgage.

"We've come to the point where we can't pay that mortgage anymore," the wife told Perris.

The couple and their two children have survived the past year on credit cards. "We just kept thinking something's coming," he said.

Perris gathered their tax records and other financial documents. It could take up to a month before the couple learn whether they qualify for state aid.

Before leaving, the husband asked no one in particular: "I'm wondering what this $700 billion bailout does for people like us?"


Olivia Bucks/The Oregonian
Keith Wymer, 59, assembles secondhand equipment he bought in anticipation of surgery. Wymer works at Home Depot but has been off the job for three months with ankle and knee injuries and, with bills mounting, now faces more downtime to recover.
Drawing for rent money
Keith Wymer is asking the same question.

Last Wednesday, he joined 27 others at a Redmond workshop organized by Neighbor Impact for people seeking assistance to pay their rent.

Attendance at the workshop is mandatory in order to be considered for the cash. After waiting a week to get in, Wymer and others learned that there was only enough money for four households in their group to qualify. Their applications would be drawn at random.

"People hitting the bumps now are middle class," he said. "People like me who are just one paycheck away."

His "bump" came four months ago when he had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor from his left foot. Bearing all his weight on the right leg irritated an old injury. This week, Wymer returned to the hospital for surgery on his right ankle and knee.

Already out of work for three months, Wymer says he owes $900 a month in rent, $242 for his car. His only income is a $735 monthly veteran's disability check. On Friday, he learned that he didn't win the rental help drawing.

"I've been a hardworking, consistently employed, service-connected veteran all my life," Wymer said in frustration. "This has been devastating."


Michelle Cole; michellecole@news.oregonian.com

Anonymous said...

But it IS effective. Tagline:

Don't Get Mad. Get Registered.

Finally... someone gets it.



OR-BOMB-EO will personally bring the bacon to your home.

Or was the delivery man named OR-BUSH-EO?

I am mad as hell and demand my cargo now!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Good piece:

Banks, though, are subject to regulatory capital standards and therefore can be rendered insolvent overnight based on an accounting writedown. At the moment, many banks are clinging to "market" values for loans that are higher than probable fire-sale values, and doing so on tenuous grounds. In kibitzing over the Paulson plan, indeed, one knotty question was how Treasury could buy such loans at a price "fair to taxpayers" without propelling the sellers into federal receivership.

Because of all this, the regulatory state finds itself in a somewhat absurd position -- its own rules could render many financial institutions insolvent in a manner inconvenient to the state.

Anonymous said...

Maybe JC will pickup on the suicide thing. HBM any pull left there?

Are you kidding??? Costa and I don't even speak to each other.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

On Thursday, they included a middle-age blonde who works in the real estate industry. A deal she'd been waiting for had fallen through, and because she works on commission, that means she hasn't had a paycheck since July 15.

"I've been living off my savings and credit cards," she told Chris Perris, a food stamp intake worker.

Now, the woman said, she's two months behind on a $4,100 mortgage payment -- on a property that would sell for less than she owes.

She'd like to get food stamps for herself and her two children. If she qualifies, her family could receive as much as $426 a month. She says she knows that won't solve all her problems, but it would help.

Surviving on credit
Later that day, Perris saw a builder and his wife.

He's still owed for past jobs. Meanwhile, he said, the flow of new houses has dried up. The couple just received a foreclosure notice from their bank because they're two months behind on their $3,000 monthly mortgage.


Cripes... a couple of 100% BROKE RE types, who, you can easily tell from their mortgage payments, thought this thing would last forever.

Before leaving, the husband asked no one in particular: "I'm wondering what this $700 billion bailout does for people like us?"

Good question. The answer is NOBODY. At least, not you. It helps the LIB'S newest, favorite people: Wall St BILLIONAIRES.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

The answer is NOBODY.

I suppose the answer is better put as NOTHING.

It helps Wall Street BILLIONAIRES.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Wow... The Oregonian has really turned on Bend. This is the 2nd article in a week just tearing our ass up.

Costa's gotta be squirming in his sleep.

Anonymous said...

What's really WEIRD about this whole bailout bsiness, is he PRESUMPTION that IF it passes, THEN everything will be OK. hbm... you seem to intimate this.

Far from it. What I said is that we need to do something very soon to unfreeze the credit markets and buy us time to work on longer-term, structural solutions.

I like the ideas DeFazio is proposing:

WASHINGTON - Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., proposed a ``low cost, no cost'' approach Tuesday that he said would stabilize the nation's wounded financial system and give Congress time to construct a more permanent solution that protects taxpayers and insulates banks, businesses and citizens from potential financial ruin.

DeFazio's approach pivots on several administrative and accounting changes that he and his allies say would stabilize the tottering financial system, make it easier for banks to make loans and restore confidence in the economy.

``What I'm proposing is to use both market discipline and regulatory functions at virtually no cost to taxpayers to unclog the arteries of commerce so banks can begin lending again,'' DeFazio said at a news conference flanked by six other Democrats.

``The President has substantial powers to do that without legislation and it appears we may have to force him to use his power,'' said DeFazio, who added that several Republicans have expressed support for plan.

DeFazio said the individual pieces of his plan can be executed quickly and would have an almost immediate positive effect on the markets. That would buy time for the administration and Congress to devise more thorough solution that fixes the economy's underlying problems.

Among DeFazio's proposals:

-- Force the Securities and Exchange Commission to change the way mortgage securities are valued. Current rules set the value too low because the 75 percent of good loans are not reflected in the market price, DeFazio said. That creates ``a capital shortfall on paper. The bill would require the SEC to alter rules so the strong loans could be priced separately.

-- Ban short selling of stocks. This is the complicated and highly speculative practice of ``selling'' stock at a lower price before actually taking ownership. ``Such practices many times harm the companies represented in the sales and hurt their efforts to raise capital.

-- Increase the FDIC insurance limit on deposits from $100,000 per individual to $250,000. This idea earned broad support Tuesday, including positive response from the White and from presidential candidates Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain.


More: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/09/defazio_offers_alternative_to.html

What I disagree with is the idea that we oughta just sit back and let the economy crash and burn. That may satisfy some ideologues of the left and right, but it's neither responsible nor rational.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Read the original here, it's brutal:

Hard times catch up to Bend

Seems like The Oregonian is trying to stop the "Bend-Outflow"... not that there is much of one left.

As much as we talk about Cali-Banger locusts... most Bend immigrants come from Portland.

tim said...

>>TT, DORN had 10X the RE investment BULLSHIT of AUDIA, and you call that minimal, his Redmond or his McCall, ID would have brought most mortals down.

You're probably right, but what I was thinking is that Audia had nothing but his RE (from what I heard). If you have a good business going, you can survive a lot of bad RE in the long run.

I've heard that a local ice cream seller has a bunch of RE he bought high, but he seems to be making it through.

Dorn sold RVs and Boats, and those depends on the same kind of good times and financing that RE depended on.

People keep eating ice cream until their arteries clog.

So you're probably right. My bad. I was thinking that the RV and Boat exposure ALONE could be a nightmare, forget whatever else he's got going on.

Anonymous said...

"I've been a hardworking, consistently employed, service-connected veteran all my life," Wymer said in frustration. "This has been devastating."

It takes a severe recession/depression for many people to learn that not everybody who is poor is poor because he's a lazy drunken drug addict, and that the cherished American myth that if you just work hard you'll succeed is just that -- a myth.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Among DeFazio's proposals:

-- Force the Securities and Exchange Commission to change the way mortgage securities are valued. Current rules set the value too low because the 75 percent of good loans are not reflected in the market price, DeFazio said. That creates ``a capital shortfall on paper. The bill would require the SEC to alter rules so the strong loans could be priced separately.

-- Ban short selling of stocks. This is the complicated and highly speculative practice of ``selling'' stock at a lower price before actually taking ownership. ``Such practices many times harm the companies represented in the sales and hurt their efforts to raise capital.


What? These are both heinous!

What are "the strong loans"? Yeah, this one is an amorphous, ill-defined BOONDOGGLE.

the complicated and highly speculative practice of ``selling'' stock at a lower price before actually taking ownership

Anyone want to just rip this a new asshole 12 ways from Sunday?

"COMPLICATED"? Really? The only thing that makes it COMPLICATED is the EXPLANATION OF WHAT SHORT-SELLING IS, IS 100% WRONG!

My God. These are so wrong-headed, it's not even funny. Short-sellers have done NOTHING to cause this. NOTHING. Typical DC WRONG-HEADED SCAPEGOATING.

Anonymous said...

Wow... The Oregonian has really turned on Bend. This is the 2nd article in a week just tearing our ass up.

Footnote: The Shire rates a mention in this month's "Harper's Index." That boondoggle is destined to go down in history.

Anonymous said...

ihatetoburstyourbubble said...
Read the original here, it's brutal:



or just swim upsteam and read it in the comments where I posted it ...

Michelle Cole; michellecole@news.oregonian.com

October 1, 2008 6:39 AM


Thats okay Butter. If I don't read your weekly posts, I can't complain that you don't read your reader comments!

Anonymous said...

What are "the strong loans"? Yeah, this one is an amorphous, ill-defined BOONDOGGLE.

Obviously some criteria would have to be set.

"COMPLICATED"? Really? The only thing that makes it COMPLICATED is the EXPLANATION OF WHAT SHORT-SELLING IS, IS 100% WRONG!

Yes, but it was written by a newspaper reporter. You have to make allowances.

Anonymous said...

""COMPLICATED"? Really? The only thing that makes it COMPLICATED is the EXPLANATION OF WHAT SHORT-SELLING IS, IS 100% WRONG!

My God. These are so wrong-headed, it's not even funny. Short-sellers have done NOTHING to cause this. NOTHING. Typical DC WRONG-HEADED SCAPEGOATING."


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So true. I find it hard that even hbm thinks these two parts of Defazio's proposal are worth a pitcher of warm piss. They aren't. They are very dumb, wrong headed, and even mean spirited.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but it was written by a newspaper reporter. You have to make allowances.

So an idiot reporter can't explain what they are talking about, nothing new there.

But blaming short sellers is wrong, misguided and just not going to fix anything.

And preventing normal short selling is worse than that.

Anonymous said...

Torrid Joe at Loaded Orygun interviews DeFazio:

I just got off the phone with Rep. DeFazio a few moments ago, and his comments echoed those he gave to The Oregonian and other outlets in the last 24 hours. But we also talked a little bit about the political implications, how he thinks he's going to get the ideas heard in front of Pelosi, the impact of the SEIU endorsement, and more. ...

I thus spent the first five minutes or so letting him set the stage for his plan, and this is largely where you can get the same content from other, more established outlets. But his philosophical thrust was to stress that the crisis is one of confidence within the banking community, and it makes no sense to simply buy up their toxic paper and go on as before. As DeFazio said in his press conference, if we don't get it right, we'll be back. The general idea is that a bank signals it's failing, which leads to a regulatory response team who assumes individual control, works to properly valuate the asset portfolio, and restores stability that will help them restore credibility in the market.

DeFazio continued to disparage Treasury Secretary Paulson's plan, his perspective, and who he perceives Paulson is working to serve. He called Paulson a "Wall Street guy," literally seeking to bail out his friends, attempting to "make them whole." DeFazio cautioned that the previous plan would have authorized Paulson to buy any kind of instrument he wanted, entirely at his own discretion (and presumably in discussion with some of those same friends).

I want to focus on his comments regarding Paulson, because it's the cornerstone of why he and the others reject the approach now being slightly reworked in Congress: it puts trust in the very same people who have put us in this mess, and stand to benefit the most from the ideas being proposed, and rushed through with pressure not to listen to alternatives. It is this reality that makes me support DeFazio's approach even absent the details. Philosophically we have to change gears, away from the Paulson Protection Plan, and towards something more deliberative that actually tries to address the problem and make repairs that involve the least amount of taxpayer outlay possible.

I turned to asking about how he saw his opportunity to build support in Congress, and he said that some Republicans had shown interest in his ideas, and that one particular concept that played well was a model based on the Home Owner's Corporation, established during the New Deal and used to finance shaky mortgages.

We also talked about the support of SEIU, which applauded the shift in thinking and sought to build on the economic stimulus passed by the House earlier. I asked what had led to their early support, and DeFazio said "Primarily, they don't want us to borrow $700 billion," and said they framed their interest in protecting the working class from having to ultimately absorb that debt.

I then asked whether the support of SEIU would prove useful as a chit towards showing support for his ideas when it came time to present them to the Speaker as something to push in the caucus. He said that indeed, "[SEIU President] Andy Stern can open some doors, so it's big to have his help." There is so much persuasive work that needs to be done; having as many allies as possible will be crucial to gaining caucus support.

To that end, I asked him if he was worried that Obama's discussions with the White House and McCain, and support for the FDIC raising the cap on insurance to $250,000 as a way to calm individual investors, would lead this minor fix to serve as a fig leaf over a warmed-up Paulson Plan, which Obama would back--shutting out alternatives.

DeFazio unfortunately echoed those concerns: "That's what one Senator told me," he said, but flatly noted "I would not vote for it."

And that's where this lies right now--some good ideas, from a coalition of very strong progressives led by an Oregonian, fighting to get a hearing from leadership and avoid being crushed by the weight of presidential political concerns. As citizens, I think this is the time to step up and urge Congress to consider a deliberative approach, trash Paulson's plan, and quickly move to calm the markets and re-establish order before moving on to more comprehensively address the crisis.

Anonymous said...

So an idiot reporter can't explain what they are talking about, nothing new there.

Most journalists are people who know a little bit about many things and not much about anything. A reporter might have to cover a crime story one day and a business story the next. There's not much opportunity to develop expertise in any specific area. There are a few specialists who know their subjects in depth, but they're rare and typically work for the big media outlets.

tim said...

Seems like raising the FDIC limit is a good idea to me. IndyMac taught people that if you have more than $100k in, you can lose big time.

It doesn't take much wobbling now in a bank's stock for people to think it'll go under tomorrow, so people rush to remove assets. People really are rushing to banks and withdrawing. Happened to WM and Wachovia.

Taxpayers are on the hook whether we raise the limit to $250k, or whether people spread their money out to different banks to stay under $100k, so I don't see that there's harm, but I do see that there's good.

Anonymous said...

hbm said...
Torrid Joe at Loaded Orygun interviews DeFazio:


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So BP post cut and paste from DailyKos, and now hbm gives us cut and paste from Oregon's feeble state version of same?

What's next, BlueOregon cut and paste?

Anonymous said...

Thats okay Butter. If I don't read your weekly posts, I can't complain that you don't read your reader comments!

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One thing can be said about BUTTER, is NEVER under-estimate his laziness. NO he doesn't read the comments, he never did, he reads his comments.

So fucking what.

BUTTER is a control freak.

BUTTER is a pug, a middle age angry white pug.

Just spend 15 min every sunday, and write a few paragraphs, and put in a pic of a fat Bend bitch, and a few meth heads, and we'll take care of the rest.

Anonymous said...

The Defazio plan in detail: http://www.defazio.house.gov/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=441

Note that he doesn't want to ban all short-selling, only the "naked" variety.

Note also that this is offered as a temporary stabilization plan, not a long-term fix.

This is fairly complicated stuff, and predictably the news reports oversimplify it.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Really read that Oregonian piece, and you will easily see HUGE differences between how they PUT THINGS, and how the Bulletin would have FLOWERED IT UP, with NOTHING BUT SILVER LININGS.

"Commercial vacancies have tripled.... But That Means Business Owners Can Get Great Deals TODAY!"

Etc...

tim said...

Naked short selling is already prohibited.

This really comes down to procedures and enforcement.

I don't like getting in the way of short sellers. Seems like they already have things stacked against them, and they play an important part in price discovery.

I'm ok with going after repeat large offenders. But I don't want it to get harder to do a short trade.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Thats okay Butter. If I don't read your weekly posts, I can't complain that you don't read your reader comments!

Dude, it seems clear I did read your Oregonian post. I made extensive COMMENTS on it.

I mainly wanted to direct people to The Front Page (online). We are HEADLINING the Oregonian TWICE A WEEK. And not in a good way.

Dude... good catch on the story. Chill...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

But I don't want it to get harder to do a short trade.

Yeah... but what's next? Banning put option buying?

US Gov't WITCHHUNTS know no bounds....

Anonymous said...

HOMER(BUTTER) dumb lazy twat.

NOT to support HBM, but perhaps I can explain the 'shorts' thing, first of all HOMER when it comes to history your a FUCKING illiterate.

The fact is that the very people who made their banks fail during the great depression, in fact were 'short'. They made money robbing their banks on the way up. Then they're banks were insolvent, and they went short.

If you knew your history you would know this. Thus what DeFazio is doing by banning 'short sales' is taking away the profit on the down-side.

I repeat HOMER, read the fucking book by Elvaine called the "Great Depression". The fucking banks engineered the collapse like now the weren't stupid. When the banks closed and they locked the doors all the CEO's went short.

Thus your missing the point and your so THICK that an honest man like DeFazio can't bitch-slap you, nor is HBM informed enough to explain it to you.

Think of it this way, taking the 'short' away from the banker is punishment, so he can't make money on both sides of the game.

Yes, Paulson is owned by wall-street, and so is BUSH, and is is OR-BUSH-EO, and so is McSame.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

BUTTER is a pug, a middle age angry white pug.

Well, at least I WHITE.

Anonymous said...

The big-zero report on BEND was NOT that brutal, just a small story about two family's on welfare,

So fucking what?

Bend's homeless is growing 100% every six months almost 10k are now living in the BUSH, so fucking what.

The real issue is can BP force city-hall to admit this reality.

BP should photo-copy this story, and pass to all in attendance at city-hall meeting, and ask "Is this the Bend your PR&Marketing"??

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

first of all HOMER when it comes to history your a FUCKING illiterate.

THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!

Anonymous said...

But I don't want it to get harder to do a short trade.

Yeah... but what's next? Banning put option buying?

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Think of it this way, we're all in a stage of collective punishment.

The common man doesn't want to support the 'bailout' to punish wall-st, DeFazio wants to ban 'shorts' to punish wall-st. This is all about punishment, and personally I LOVE IT.

For 30+ years the lawyers/bankers have ran this fucking country to the ground, and now they be punished.

NO, options aren't like shorts, options have time value, and historically are a great way to lose money.

During the great depression every fucking banker in NY was short, and everything so far is moving exactly the [Mc]Same this time.

DeFazio is setting shit up so that the people who engineered the banking collapse have no financial incentive to trigger economic failure.

1.) Bubble - make a ton of money on the upside.
2.) Failure - golden parachute from paulson make loot on the down.
3.) Shorting - make a ton of money on the fall, frosting on the cake.

The NY/SF banks engineered #1, we can fight #2, and we can deny them #3.

BUTTER or HOMER whatever his fucking name is a STOCK-BROKER, we all know that, thus he hates the idea of tool's be taken from his trade. Get over it, it will only be temporary, once the DOW gets down to 2000, then we'll re-instate shorting, and you can short all you want.

Anonymous said...

US Gov't WITCHHUNTS know no bounds....

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Spoken like a true PUG.

The republican's can drive their country into the fucking toilet, but a true PUG will be party loyal all the way to the poor house.

Turn off the RUSH LIMBAUGH homee, turn it off, and read some books.

There is no witch-hunt, in all orderly economic collapses, there is always punishment to those involved. Read 'grand popular delusions', the chapter on South-Sea-Bubble, its exactly the same in the USA today. We're just in the first round.

Anonymous said...

Note also that this is offered as a temporary stabilization plan, not a long-term fix.

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Defazio can't tell the truth, no politician can.

"Hello folks, we're entering Great-Depression 2", "Like last time the bankers are shorting their own stocks, based on insider information"., ... "Thus we need to ban shorting".

NO defazio can't say that cuz, he would induce a fucking panic.

tim said...

>>NO defazio can't say that cuz, he would induce a fucking panic.

No he wouldn't. He's from Oregon. People expect crazy-talk from Oregonians.

And he's in the House of Representatives. People expect crazy-talk from Representatives.

Anonymous said...

Tim,

Nobody can tell the truth.

GW-BUSH: "Good AM ameriKKKan's, your fucked, I fucked you good, I'm the decider, what I sow, so shall ye reap".

Paulson: "If you don't approve the bailout, GW is going to give me an enema"

DeFazio: "The pug's have brought on Great Depression 2, and here's what can be done about it ..."

Nope, none of the above will be said.

Anonymous said...

No he wouldn't. He's from Oregon. People expect crazy-talk from Oregonians.

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No politician can come out and tell the truth, because it would cause a run on the banks, and all the stores would sell out of can food in a day.

Thus they slowly EDOOOCATE the US PUBIC.

tim said...

Kucinish and Ron Paul say crazy vaguely truish stuff all the time time. No one does anything as a result, and people think they are charming.

Anonymous said...

GET THE FUCK OUT OF BEND - MOVE ...

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Anonymous said...

Kucinish and Ron Paul say crazy vaguely truish stuff all the time time. No one does anything as a result, and people think they are charming.

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They're known pathological crazy's.

Ron Paul has been saying the sky is falling so long, that he is ignored, he sits on NO committee of importance.

DeFazio is a EUGENE liberal, with a heart of gold, reminds me of Bernie Sanders. DeFazio has a rock solid seat, and can say what he wishes, but he has enough respect with his peers ( in DC ), that he cannot talk like Ron Paul, or Jim Rogers, or Soros, ...

The old rule of thumb, "Its not what is said, but who says it".

Nobody today of importance is telling the truth, they don't want to create a panic.

The first step is to clear the machine of the neo-cons, and then try to fix their damage. Right now the neo-cons are trying to do stupid shit on their way out. We must prevent this, then next year with a new house and prez, clean up the fucking mess.

Anonymous said...

>>NO defazio can't say that cuz, he would induce a fucking panic.

No he wouldn't. He's from Oregon. People expect crazy-talk from Oregonians.

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Crazy LIBERAL talk is one thing TT, but yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater is another.

DeFazio must talk in codes.

Even Ron Paul is not yelling fire, he just says the same shit over&over to his flock.

Anonymous said...

Let's get back to what we do best.

SUICIDE WATCH IN BEND OREGON.

Any news on the new guy?

Marge? Cop Reports? BP hospital? Morgue? Public Docs? TT media insiders?? Dunc comic vendetta's?

Anonymous said...

I think he was a pretty private guy. Family business.

I did get word that it was a suicide from a source that as NOT on the internet.

I don't seem to know anyone who knew him personally. Maybe because it's Redmond not Bend.

I think it's terrible. How bad is a guy whose kids are willing to work with him? I'm thinking good guy under pressure, but I really don't know anything.

Anonymous said...

READ THIS 'GINGRICH' PLAN KUNTS, CUZ GING-RICH is coming back for XMAS. KNOW THE ENEMY, OR THY WILL PERISH.

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Replace Secretary Paulson and Suspend Mark to Market
by Newt Gingrich
10/01/2008

Following Monday's failure of the Paulson plan in the House, it is imperative that our leaders not hesitate to bring stability to our financial markets.

We need action now.

The Paulson Plan - is dead. The time has come for Congress to turn its attention to a plan that does the right things the right way instead of trying to fix the wrong way of this monstrosity of a Wall Street bailout bill.

As I said to Fox News' Greta Van Susteren Monday night, and spoke about at the National Press Club on Tuesday, there are two steps that could be taken that would send a needed signal to the world financial markets that America has leaders who recognize the gravity of the crisis and are capable of putting aside narrow partisan self-interest for the good of the country.
Step One: Replace Secretary Paulson
Continued

A plan that relies on the former chairman of Goldman Sachs presiding over disbursing hundreds of billions of dollars to Wall Street is a terrible concept and inevitably will lead to crony capitalism and the appearance of - if not the actual existence of - corruption.

The American people understand this and they don't trust the Paulson plan. Congress should never have been faced with this as its only option to solve the financial crisis. Congress never should have been confronted with this bill. And one man, above all others, is responsible.

That man is Henry Paulson, who may have been a great deal maker for Goldman Sachs, but has been an utter failure during this economic crisis.

It's time - passed time, in fact - for President Bush to fire Secretary Paulson.

President Bush should replace Paulson immediately with someone more capable of forging a deal that the American people can trust. Secretary Paulson's Deputy at Treasury is Robert Kimmitt. He does not have the Wall Street background that made Secretary Paulson so difficult to trust as a negotiating partner and should be much more open to alternatives because he has less invested in the "Paulson" plan.

Kimmitt need not go through the actual confirmation process to immediately take over negotiating with Congress. The sooner Paulson is replaced as the chief negotiator for the administration, the sooner we will have a deal the American people can support.
Step Two: Suspend the Mark-to-Market Accounting Rule

The second thing our leaders should do immediately is simple and uncontroversial: Suspend the "mark-to-market" accounting rule that is exacerbating this crisis.

Under this artificial rule, the value of assets of banks moves up and down with economic conditions, regardless of their underlying worth. So in a time of economic crisis - such as the current subprime mortgage crisis - the value of bank assets gets caught in a downward spiral, causing investor panic and a drying up of credit.

In 2004, the European Central Bank issued this now eerily prescient opinion of the mark-to-market rule:

"With a real estate crisis or a stock market crash... [a bank] under [mark-to-market] accounting might aggravate the effects of the shock. Banks may be encouraged to react by panic selling and tightening lending standards, thus contributing to a further deepening of the crisis."
A Smart First Step

I've spent the past few days talking with businesspeople across the country - from Oklahoma, Georgia, Nevada and California - and they agree: this artificial accounting rule is needlessly making the financial crisis worse.

On Monday I appeared on Fox News' On the Record with Greta van Susteren and called for mark-to-market to be suspended.

I also wrote this op-ed yesterday for forbes.com urging the same course of action.

I gave a speech at the National Press Club in which I discussed in depth the need to end this problem now. You can read the text and view it here.

Then, later that afternoon, the Securities and Exchange Commission took a smart first step by issuing a "clarification" giving companies more leeway in estimating the value of mortgage related investments. You can read more here. Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Chris Cox deserves credit for recognizing how this accounting requirement is needlessly exacerbating our current financial difficulties.
The Bush Administration's Expensive Legacy

Taking these two steps - replacing Secretary Paulson and suspending the mark-to-market rule - are absolutely necessary right now to give Congress the breathing room to develop a plan to replace the Paulson Plan and to re-establish trust with the American people.

The Bush Administration has now provided three case studies that have badly damaged the cause of conservatism.

First there was former FEMA head Michael Brown during Hurricane Katrina, whose incompetence convinced Americans that Republicans can't be trusted with governing.

Then there was Ambassador Jerry Bremer in Baghdad, whose decisions as the head of the American occupation of Iraq convinced Americans that Republicans can't be trusted to manage foreign policy.

And now we have Secretary Paulson at the Treasury, whose intransigence during the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression has convinced Americans that Republicans can't be trusted with their money.

It's a tragic and very expensive legacy. No conservative and no Republican should doubt how much it has hurt our cause and our party.
Rebuilding Public Trust with a Work Out, Not a Bailout

As I told Greta Van Susteren Monday night on Fox News, the fundamental flaw in the Paulson Plan was that it was seen by the American people as a deal designed by and for Wall Street.

Congress needs to go back to the drawing board and develop, not just a financial markets rescue bill (which should be a work out, not a bailout) but also an economic growth bill.

This economic growth package should do two fundamental things:

First of all, it needs to provide relief for our financial markets that is based on lending troubled institutions the capital to restore our credit markets, rather than buying their bad assets. The taxpayers should be asked to extend these institutions a line of credit until they can get back on their feet, rather than blindly acquire these institutions' toxic paper. This is the essential difference between a workout and a bailout.

Second, the plan should stop the flow of $700 billion each year out of our economy and into the coffers of foreign dictators by achieving energy independence. Not only would our national security be improved, but this much new energy income would cause our economy to boom and government revenues to grow.
A Final Warning: Don't Allow the House Democrats to Move the Plan Left

A lot of people are scratching their heads over what would cause House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to deliver such a bitterly partisan speech minutes before the House voted down the Paulson Plan - a plan she purported to support.

I think it's likely that Speaker Pelosi deliberately delivered her highly partisan speech at the last minute to get precisely the result that she got - the defeat of the Paulson Plan. The danger now is that she and the liberal Democrats in the House will spend the next couple days re-loading the bill with all the leftwing pork projects that Senator McCain and the House Republicans were able to remove from it.

This danger makes it imperative that Republicans unify behind Minority Leader John Boehner in resisting moving any rescue plan to the left. The stakes are too high for the American people to allow liberal Democrats to use the current crisis to line the coffers of their special interest allies.
Some Good News: Solutions Day 2008

I have some good news to report today too. On Saturday, American Solutions brought Americans together from all parts of the country for our second annual Solutions Day.

Our theme was "We Have the Power" - the power, as Americans, to devise solutions to our most pressing challenges in education, energy, health care and the economy.

Newt Gingrich, General Chairman of American Solutions, wraps up the energy session at Solutions Day in Atlanta, Georgia, September 27, 2008
Newt Gingrich, General Chairman of American Solutions, wraps up the energy session at Solutions Day in Atlanta, Georgia, September 27, 2008.

Your friend,

Newt Gingrich

Anonymous said...

Gingrich is smart but no longer has any power base.

Whether he can ever be a real player gin is open to argument.

Anonymous said...

Yep, just add another non-transparency layer over the 'books' and that will fix everything.

Just keep those RE valuation frozen at 2006 high's until the 'crisis' passes, then use new highs.

Hell for that matter set all valuations to ALL HIGH's permanently, then all will always be a positive sum game where all get rich forever.

The intrinsic problem here, is that GING-RICH can't stand the idea that there is UP & DOWN, he wants their to only be UP.

He seems to believe that a 'bubble' can be ignored, if a 'wizard' behind the curtain establishes prices.

GingRich thinks his party rules the world, and the NUKE-GUN can be held to their head. Confidence is lacking in the USA, and marking valuations to some number that ONLY GOES UP will expedite the exit of MONEY from the USA. A nation of LAWYERS & LIARS.

Valuation, like Ratings MUST be factual. People MUST know if an asset has value, and that value MUST be based on market-prices.

Today we have darn near $300 TRILLION in paper assets, that if REALLY MARKED TO MARKET would be worth $3 TRILLION.

Thus GING-RICH knows we cannot 'mark to market', the fact is even right now we're not doing it.

Whether it be bailouts, and liars running accounting and ratings, its not good for national-socialism here in AmeriKKKa.

Ging-RICH is 100% ORWELLIAN, and I love it, this guy would deny Katrina, or re-write history if it can't create his 'reality'. The PUG's have their LORD back, and his name if GING-RICH, spent 40 days in the desert, and he's now ready to rescue DC.

Sort of sad, today we have BUSH, OR-BUSH-EO, McSAME, and GINGRICH, ... that's it nobody else, WE'RE FUCKED.

Anonymous said...

Today's WSJ is ONLY about removing the 'mark to market'.

Like I said above, its not like we're currently doing it, cuz if we were the crisis would be over already.

They just want to make it legal to let wall-street lie.

What's going on here is that Q3 reports are due, and nobody wants to tell the US public truth, so they're trying to 'cook the books' and make it legal to do so - ASAP.

Anonymous said...

Under the NEW ging-rich accounting rules.


1.) A loss is a profit.

2.) Up is down.

3.) A bailout is an asset.

4.) Everybody is a winner.

5.) USA always has and always will be a positive sum game.

6.) You simply can't lose by buying anything from wall street.

Anonymous said...

'Reserve FUND' money market is closed, today they announced people get their money back.

It's a money market for rich people.

They all get back 30 cents on the dollar, and they're calling that a full refund.

ONLY IN AMERiKKKA.

The buck broke weeks ago on this money-market, and its one of the oldest in the USA.

hedge-funds are dead, money-market is dead, loans are dead, capital is drying up, ...

RICH PEOPLE always redeem FIRST, that's why your seeing the FUND's of the rich getting drawn-down to zero.

Only poor and middle class will be holding the bag, and be told that their money is gone.

LavaBear said...
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Anonymous said...

Gingrich is smart but no longer has any power base.

Whether he can ever be a real player gin is open to argument.

*

There is a complete FUCKING REPUBLICAN VACUUM.

GINGRICH is filling that VACUUM.

Don't under-estimate GINGRICH or PALIN.

LavaBear said...

Notice of default by quarter chart.

Anonymous said...

Incredible, Lavabear.

That's a hell of a rate of defaulting.

Bewert said...

Re: But I don't want it to get harder to do a short trade.

Yeah... but what's next? Banning put option buying?

US Gov't WITCHHUNTS know no bounds....

You guys are both right. The short traders are where you're supposed to look--ignore the real problem, the opaque paper-on-paper creation of debt-based derivatives transparently valuing the actual derivatives that these banks hold.

Key word being transparent, like a true working free market needs to be efficient.

The banks themselves would be for this if they didn't think that, by yelling really loudly and spreading campaign contributions around, they could get the taxpayer to take the worst of them of their hands. At a price based on their purchase price rather than current market values.

A workout with transparent valuations of all banks toxic paper, with a backup pool of funding that costs real money to both the banks and their executives if they use it, is what I'm pushing for.

It's they only way to get banks to trust each other again. Buying one percent of the toxic paper isn't going to change that trust level. They still won't know what each other holds.

And they'll be back at the public trough again in six months.

Bewert said...

"the opaque paper-on-paper creation of debt-based derivatives RATHER THAN THE transparent valuation of the actual components of all these derivatives that these banks hold."

Anonymous said...

Heard from ANOTHER industry source that the Dorn rumor is true. So sad.

Anonymous said...

In 1929, Meyer Mishkin owned a shop in New York that sold silk shirts to workingmen. When the stock market crashed that October, he turned to his son, then a student at City College, and offered a version of this sentiment: It serves those rich scoundrels right.

A year later, as Wall Street’s problems were starting to spill into the broader economy, Mr. Mishkin’s store went out of business. He no longer had enough customers. His son had to go to work to support the family, and Mr. Mishkin never held a steady job again.

Frederic Mishkin — Meyer’s grandson and, until he stepped down a month ago, an ally of Ben Bernanke’s on the Federal Reserve Board — told me this story the other day, and its moral is obvious enough. Many people in Washington fear that the country is starting to spiral into a terrible downturn. And to their horror, they see the public, and many members of Congress, turning into modern-day Meyer Mishkins, more interested in punishing Wall Street than saving the economy.

All of which may be true. But there is good reason for the public’s skepticism. The experts and policy makers who so desperately want to take action have failed to tell a compelling story about why they’re so afraid.

It’s not enough to say that markets could freeze up, loans could become impossible to get and the economy could slide into its worst downturn since the Great Depression. For now, the crisis has had little effect on most Americans, beyond their 401(k) statements. So to them, the specter of a depression can sound alarmist, and the $700 billion bill that Congress voted down this week can seem like a bailout for rich scoundrels.

Mr. Bernanke and his fellow worriers need to connect the dots. They need to use their bully pulpits to teach a little lesson on the economics of a credit crisis — how A can lead to B, B to C and C to Depression.

Let’s give it a shot, then.

Why are we talking about the Depression, anyway?

Almost no economist thinks that even a terrible downturn would look like the Depression. The government has already responded more aggressively than it did in Herbert Hoover’s day. So a Depression-like contraction — a 30 percent drop in economic activity — is highly unlikely. The country is also far richer today, which means that a much smaller portion of the population is living on the edge of despair. No matter what happens, you’re not likely to see shantytowns.

But the Depression is still relevant, because the basic mechanics of how the economy might fall into a severe recession look quite similar to those that caused the Depression. In both cases, a credit crisis is at the center of the story.

At the start of the 1930s, despite everything that had happened on Wall Street, the American economy had not yet collapsed. Consumer spending and business investment were down, but not horribly so.

In late 1930, however, a rolling series of bank panics began. Investments made by the banks were going bad — or, in some cases, were rumored to be going bad — and nervous customers besieged bank branches to demand their money back. Hundreds of banks eventually closed.

Once a bank in a given town shut its doors, all the knowledge accumulated by the bank officers there effectively disappeared. Other banks weren’t nearly as willing to lend money to local businesses and residents because the loan officers at those banks didn’t know which borrowers were less reliable than they looked. Credit dried up.

“If a guy has a good investment opportunity and he can’t get the funding, he won’t do it,” Mr. Mishkin, who’s now an economics professor at Columbia, notes. “And that’s when the economy collapses.” Or, as Adam Posen, another economist, puts it, “That’s when the Depression became the Great Depression.” By 1932, consumption and investment had both collapsed, and stocks had fallen more than 80 percent from their peak. -- David Leonhardt, NY Times


More: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/economy/01leonhardt.html?ref=business

Anonymous said...

Don't under-estimate GINGRICH or PALIN.

I agree about Gingrich, but how is it possible to underestimate Sarah Sockpuppet?

When this campaign is over she'll sink quickly back into oblivion. What ever happened to Dan Quayle?

Bewert said...

Re: Once a bank in a given town shut its doors, all the knowledge accumulated by the bank officers there effectively disappeared. Other banks weren’t nearly as willing to lend money to local businesses and residents because the loan officers at those banks didn’t know which borrowers were less reliable than they looked. Credit dried up.

Nice bedtime story. Reality is that the "credit freeze" is among big banks that don't have any idea of what toxic wastes the others hold. They need to figure it out without raping the taxpayer dollar store.

Bewert said...

Re: Quayle

Wiki: In 1976, Quayle was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Indiana's 4th congressional district, defeating eight-term incumbent Democrat J. Edward Roush. He won reelection in 1978 by the greatest percentage margin ever achieved to that date in the northeast Indiana district. In 1980, at age 33, Quayle became the youngest person ever elected to the U.S. Senate from the state of Indiana, defeating three-term incumbent Democrat Birch Bayh. Making Indiana political history again, Quayle was reelected to the Senate in 1986 with the largest margin ever achieved to that date by a candidate in a statewide Indiana race

Amazingly more qualified for the VP slot than Palin.

And still couldn't spell potato(e).

Dan Quayle is Chairman of an international division of Cerberus Capital Management, a multi-billion dollar private equity firm, and president of Quayle and Associates. He is an Honorary Trustee Emeritus of the Hudson Institute.

I'm sure he's worth their money.

Bewert said...

Wyden: He's not sure, how would you like him to vote?

(202) 224-5244

Me? "VOTE NO"

Listening to this shit from the Senate floor is sickening. My side, too.

Bewert said...

We're going to come back in and enact the needed regulation...

Bewert said...

Gordo's Portland office has taken around 300 calls today, overwhelmingly NO. Still, you get "maybe, we don't know how he is going to vote".

BS.

DC office isn't taking calls any more, although Wyden's is.

Gordo Portland: 503.326.3386

Tell her Merkley is looking better and better.

Bewert said...

Gordo person: "But they know things we don't!"

Me: "So why don't they tell us?"

Hmmm....

It's time for us to scream. Loudly.

Bewert said...

Judd Gregg just now on C-Span: "..we might take that note at a 20 to 30 discount....it is very likely that the taxpayers dollars will be recovered..."

It's like some giant puke up on the wishes of the vast majority of the people they purport to represent.

Black is white.

Remind them, like Gordo, they are up for election in a few weeks.

Bewert said...

"20% to 30% discount"

Notes that Merrill just sold at a 78% discount.

I haven't seen such a fear sale since the Iraq war.

Bewert said...

Pitiful poor pitiful me for having to vote for this...Dick Durbin(D)

Fuck you DICK.

They keep up this fucking drumbeat of fear, of meltdown, of armageddon. With no actual information, no numbers, no specifics.

Anonymous said...

"And tucked away in the tax provisions is a landmark health care provision demanding that insurance companies provide coverage for mental health treatment—such as hospitalization—on parity with physical illnesses."

Probably the most important part of the bailout bill for Bend.

Bewert said...

Boxer: 85,000 of 91,000 contacts say NO.

But we don't have a choice--I must vote YES to the BAILOUT.

Anonymous said...

OPB looking for input for its Bend show:

http://bendeconomy.informe.com/opb-radio-show-coming-to-bend-dt4335.html

http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/opb/posts/list/1603412.page

Anonymous said...

Hey butt-plug inventor..I am taking possession of a cargo box from China of my new invention..Want in?
Mattresses' with built in fireproof safes. We can make millions!

Anonymous said...

When this campaign is over she'll sink quickly back into oblivion. What ever happened to Dan Quayle?

Quayle got squashed in the debates, which was won by a very experienced Senator who I forget his name. Let's call him Senator Nobody, since Quayle went on to victory.

I think we call him the former Vice President Quayle.

Debates can be lost, it's the ELECTIONS that those damn Repugs keep winning.

LOL

hbm = loser.... get used to it!

Anonymous said...

marge said...
Hey butt-plug inventor..I am taking possession of a cargo box from China of my new invention..Want in?
Mattresses' with built in fireproof safes. We can make millions!

*

marge... always good for a big laugh.

By the way, marge, the butt-plug inventor goes by the name Pussy, or Mr. Pussy to you!

Show some respect to the Mr Pussy. America is great only because of our inventors and their inventions. Even wacky inventions.

Anonymous said...

hbm = loser.... get used to it!

President Obama -- get used to saying it.

Anonymous said...

Dan Quayle is fucking Winston Churchill alongside of Sarah Sockpuppet.

Anonymous said...

Palin quotes:

http://palinquotes.sillycloud.com/

Anonymous said...

Yes, get used to President Obama. He will be one of the great ones.

McCain is a goner. Palin will be remembered as one of the dumbest picks for VP ever.

Anonymous said...

Debates can be lost, it's the ELECTIONS that those damn Repugs keep winning.

LOL


You must be referring to the glorious GOP victories of 2006. LOL.

Anonymous said...

Debates can be lost, it's the ELECTIONS that those damn Repugs keep winning.

LOL
---

You must be referring to the glorious GOP victories of 2006. LOL.



Uh, no actually, I was referring to the Presidential debates vs the Presidential elections that hbm was crowing about.

All this political shit is always started by the pussys (BP, hbm, or dunc). Dunc left (mental breakdown since he could not handle debating multiple anonymous people), so now it is either BP or hbm.

Recent history lesson for the pussys.

Elections won:
---
68 Nixon (R)
72 Nixon (R)
76 Carter (D)
80 Reagan (R)
84 Reagan (R)
88 Bush (R)
92 Clinton (D)
96 Clinton (D)
00 Bush (R)
04 Bush (R)

7 out of the last 10.
70% won by Repugs
30% won by Demos

We will see if OR-BOMB-EO can change the streak.

And just to close the topic, Palin can shine or do poorly in the debate, and it won't impact the election. Repugs can lose the debates and win the election. (source: See Vice President Bentsen) Repugs can even lose the popular vote election and still win! (source: 2000 Electoral College final tally).


LOL. Sorry hbm, the score shows you to be a loser.

Bewert said...

Re: BP should photo-copy this story, and pass to all in attendance at city-hall meeting, and ask "Is this the Bend your PR&Marketing"??

I can at least email them it.

Plus Eric, etc.

I am actually starting to think some sanity is starting to come back, again from Eric and Sonia, and the alpha of the JR Board, John James. James actually said out loud that you can't keep fucking trying to sell land until you get the ODOT issue worked out.

Friedman said something about ODOT being psychotic. ODOT Bob was there for that. I'll put up more tomorrow after I get some docs from Sonia and Patti.

I can't figure out why, if we are going for more employment land (and the JRMB seems to be focused on that) why not just plan to push north towards the Butler Market cloverleaf that ODOT wants, instead of pissing away tens of million on a Cooley Rd. "solution". The dollar amount wouldn't be that different, and it would open up far more employment land.

Bewert said...

I made the sanity remark to Trudy when I came back, and she goes "Yeah, cause they are broke!"

Reality sets in.

Anonymous said...

Sorry..MR. PUSSY :)

Anonymous said...

Obama Modifies 'Yes We Can' Message To Exclude Area Loser

'Yes We Can, Except H Bruce Miller,' Obama Says


BEND, OR—In a little know speech last spring, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama altered his vision of a unified America to exclude Bend, OR loser H Bruce Miller, also known as hbm.

According to Obama, the 68-year-old Miller, who has lived with his parents intermittently since receiving his associate's degree in 1964 and still does not have a credit card in his own name, no longer figures into the senator's long-term plan of rallying Americans from all walks of life around a common, higher purpose.

"People of Bend, Oregon, people of the world, this is our time, this is our moment," Obama said before 720 supporters at the COCC campus. "That is, unless you live in apartment 3L at 1254 Holden St., you watched Money Train on TBS last night at 3 a.m., and your name is H Bruce Miller."

An excerpt from Obama's speech draws on his message of unity-minus-one.

"I have always said that the change we seek will not come easy, that it will not come without its share of sacrifice and struggle," Obama continued. "And the last thing we need is dead weight like H Bruce Miller adding another 10 or 20 years to the process."

The speech, entitled "A More Perfect Union Minus H Bruce Miller," was 26 minutes long and contained the words "change" 12 times, "hope" 16 times, and "H Bruce Miller," in conjunction with the phrase "with the exception of," 34 times.

Although Obama remained vague on issues such as health care and foreign policy, the Illinois senator was praised for finally publicly addressing the issue of H Bruce Miller. Obama took a hard-line stance on Miller, calling the washed up, former editor of the worthless Bend Bulletin newspaper the lone aspect of America he doesn't believe in, a citizen who can languish in the past for all he cares, and "on top of everything else, kind of a jerk."

"When I began this campaign, my mission was to help this nation share my vision for one America—not a black America, or a white America, or a Latino or Asian America," Obama said. "But now what I see, what I envision, is a hbm-free America. And once we get rid of that guy, there is nothing we can't accomplish. Nothing we can't achieve."

According to campaign strategist David Axelrod, hbm's failure to remember his mother's birthday five years in a row, along with the fact that for the entire month of July he washed his hair with a bar of soap because he was too lazy to purchase shampoo, are examples of the kind of hopelessness Obama is trying to avoid.

"I am reminded of an instance early last year when hbm told his sister, Elizabeth, that he was going to start going to the gym three times a week after work," Obama said. "I was rooting for hbm. I thought that this time things would be different. That this time hbm would be capable of change. But it was just like 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2002 all over again. He went to the gym twice and quit."

"What a loser," Obama added.

In the hours following the speech, members of the McCain camp scrambled to respond to Obama's views on H Bruce Miller. In a statement last night, McCain applauded Obama's position on the loser, but criticized him for not offering any real solutions to the H Bruce Miller problem. McCain went on to promise that, if elected, he would rid the world of H Bruce Miller within his first 48 hours in office without raising taxes.

Perhaps the most stirring moment of Obama's speech came at its conclusion, when he reasserted his call for change on the part of everyone except Miller, whom he urged to just change the channel to the Golden Girls marathon on Lifetime like he knows he wants to.

"People of America, not hbm, we have the ability to heal this nation," Obama said. "Yes we can, hbm excluded, seize our future. Yes we can, with the exception of hbm and his stupid cargo shorts that he never washes, turn the page to a new tomorrow. I am confident that where we—and by 'we' I mean everyone but hbm—are met with cynicism and doubt and fear and those who tell us that we can't, we—again, not hbm—will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of the American people in six simple words: Yes we can, except H Bruce Miller."

Added Obama: "God bless the people of Bend, Oregon, God bless America, and fuck you, H Bruce Miller."

Bewert said...

Re: 7 out of the last 10.
70% won by Repugs
30% won by Demos

So you fuckers are responsible for this giant fucking mess.

What you planning to do about it?

Vote in another senile sockpuppet and his wanker?

Of course, it wouldn't be much different from what I've been seeing on our side today.

This is a flashpoint. I can feel the anger everywhere I go.

Bewert said...

Re: Obama Modifies 'Yes We Can' Message To Exclude Area Loser

'Yes We Can, Except H Bruce Miller,' Obama Says

Dude anonymouse, you got waaay too much time on your hands. Why not give us something real?

Anonymous said...

>>This is a flashpoint. I can feel the anger everywhere I go.

Man, stop and smell the roses. You're wasting your life being angry.

There's a reason the anger is following you. It's yours.

Bewert said...

Re: There's a reason the anger is following you. It's yours.

Yeah, I suppose I should just smile and bend over for the next BushCo reaming.

You really should tell that to the family of four that's been begging outside the westside Safeway lately, rather than me. I'm sure they just are stupid people with too many kids that hoped to find a job in once-booming Bend. Maybe you can give them some food for the kids.

Anonymous said...

That anonymous isn't as clever as you may think.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_modifies_yes_we_can_message

-the other anonymous.

Anonymous said...

That anonymous isn't as clever as you may think.

So very true...

Dude anonymouse, you got waaay too much time on your hands. Why not give us something real?

....also true that I DON'T have that much time on my hands.... only enough for a global search and replace, not enough for original creative writing. Sorry to disappoint...

Anonymous said...

Bull Obits this AM.

Dale Steven "Steve" Dorn
Published: October 02. 2008 4:00AM PST
May 26, 1955 - Sept. 28, 2008
Steve Dorn died Sunday, September 28, 2008. Steve was born May 26, 1955 in Salem, Oregon to Dale Dorn and Kathleen Angland Dorn. Steve was a second generation native Oregonian who attended Salem area schools, graduating from Sprague High School in 1973. Steve loved Central Oregon and spent most of his adult life in the Redmond area. Steve raised two beautiful children of whom he was extremely proud. Jacob recently moved to the Seattle area and Katie is a Redmond high school scholar.
Steve was a Central Oregon businessman. He owned and operated the Redmond branch of Dorn Brothers Auto and Truck Sales for over 20 years. This business was founded originally in 1947 by his father and uncles and is continued by two of his brothers. Steve coined the phrase "Dorn Good Deals" which is well known all over the state of Oregon. Steve most recently owned and operated Steve Dorn RV and Marine.
Steve had a tremendous sense of humor that he used in business as well as his personal life. He had numerous friends, many who dated back to his school days in Salem. Steve's friends, both old and new, were a great source of comfort and support to him. His passions were first and foremost his kids. He loved the outdoors, boating, hiking and skiing. Steve and his kids traveled throughout the West and had many memorable adventures.
Steve is survived by his children, Jacob and Katie, his father, Dale and his sister and brothers, Sue (Jeff) Ford, Dan (Laura), Mike (Kim) and John (Debbi) Dorn. He is also survived by his niece and nephews, Riley, Kory, Cooper and Carter Dorn. Steve was preceded in death by his nephew, McKenzie and his mother, Kathleen.
The family wishes to thank all who have been a part of Steve's life. A celebration of life will be held Saturday, October 4, 2008 at 11:00 am at the Redmond Community Church, 237 NW 9th Street, Redmond, Oregon. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the Salvation Army or the charity of your choice in Steve's name.

Anonymous said...

http://bend.craigslist.org/rnr/863239854.html

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Default notices continue to pile up

By Andrew Moore / The Bulletin
Published: October 02. 2008 4:00AM PST


With three months left in the year, Deschutes County is on pace to nearly triple the number of notices of default filed in 2007.

Through Sept. 30, the Deschutes County Clerk’s Office recorded 1,308 notices of default, a document which initiates foreclosure proceedings. In 2007, 590 notices of default were filed all year.

A notice of default doesn’t always portend a foreclosure. Homeowners can catch up on their payments or sell the home before it goes to foreclosure.

The Clerk’s Office does not track foreclosures, and the number of homes actually foreclosed upon historically has been less than 10 percent, but the rate is rising, according to local real estate professionals and other analyses.

The city of Bend’s Quarterly Financial Outlook released Monday reported 130 foreclosed homes for sale in the county in August, with a total of 139 foreclosed homes sold in the county since the start of the year.

The report cited data complied by Battleground, Wash.-based real estate analysis company Real Estats Inc.

RealtyTrac.com, an Irvine, Calif.-based company that tracks foreclosed properties, listed 390 bank-owned properties for sale in Deschutes County as of Wednesday.

As the mortgage crisis continues to roil the nation’s financial markets, its impact is growing locally. It remains to be seen if the federal government’s mortgage rescue program, passed with much fanfare in July, and the current market bailout bill working its way through Congress will cushion the economic blow to Main Street.

The mortgage rescue plan, called Hope for Homeowners, allows qualifying homeowners who are “upside down” on their mortgage on a primary residence to refinance their homes with a new, 30-year fixed rate mortgage insured by the Federal Housing Administration. The caveat is the original lender must first agree to forgive no more than 10 percent of the original loan value. A homeowner is upside down when he owes more than the house is worth.

Help comes too late

For Tumalo resident Robert Austin, a homebuilder with 39 years in the trade, it’s too little, too late.

On Tuesday, a notice of default was filed against a 20-acre Tumalo property he built a home on two years ago. He and his wife intended to move into the house. But first, Austin had to sell his existing property, on a neighboring 20 acres.

After more than two years on the market, nobody has bought it, and Austin could no longer keep up payments on the two homes. “We did everything we could do,” he said. “We made payments as long as we could and then couldn’t make payments anymore. Times have been real (bad).”

Austin has two other homes he built for sale. If neither sells, he’s likely headed for bankruptcy, he said. “I’ve built for 39 years and I’ve never been in a default position, and to be in this position is frankly just unbelievable to us,” Austin said.

According to RealtyTrac, Deschutes County ranked first in the state for foreclosure activity in August, the most recent data available, with one notice of default filed for every 345 housing units. That’s a 20 percent increase from June, when the county also ranked first in the state for foreclosure activity, with one notice of default filed for every 414 housing units.

Nationally, RealtyTrac said foreclosure proceedings were pending for one in every 416 U.S. households in August. Nevada had the most homes in foreclosure proceedings (one in every 91 households), followed by California (one in every 130 households) and Arizona (one in every 182 households), according to RealtyTrac. Oregon ranked 22nd (one in every 857 households).

With so much foreclosure activity, it’s bound to affect property values for homeowners current on their mortgages, said Bend real estate appraiser Scott Buckles.

As part of the appraisal process — which is required for mortgage refinancing or home sales — Buckles and other appraisers find out what similar homes in the neighborhood have sold for as part of the process of establishing value. If there is a similar home in the neighborhood that has sold for a deflated price due to a short sale or foreclosure, Buckles said he’s inclined to omit it from his calculations.

But when sales of distressed homes become predominant in a neighborhood, an appraiser has to take those values into account, he said. “If you think your house is worth $500,000, but four similar houses sell for $350,000 in a foreclosure process, then those become the predominant value indicator in the neighborhood, so it’s going to bring home values down,” Buckles said.


What’s next?

He doesn’t think Bend’s real estate market has reached that point, but he’s worried it’s coming. He said he used to do upwards of 600 appraisals a year. Now, he’s down to eight or 10 a month, he said, and those are coming from the somewhat steady stream of divorces and deaths. Were it not for those, he said he’d have to fold up shop.

“What’s happened, from the top of Awbrey Butte to the double-wides in Plainview, these people who bought overvalued property then took out a (home equity) line of credit then saw their values drop 20 to 25 percent and they are upside down, and no one is going to refinance that because they don’t have enough equity,” Buckles said. “I don’t think the refinancing boom is coming back, even if rates drop to 3 percent, because no one has equity. It’s really distressing … I’m looking for something else to do.”

Tom Greene, the president of the Central Oregon Association of Realtors, said there is good news for homeowners threatened with foreclosures in that banks and lenders are taking short-sale offers more seriously and are getting easier to work with.

A short sale is an agreement between a lender and a homeowner allowing a homeowner to sell the property for less than the amount owed. The bank takes a loss on the loan but avoids taking ownership of the property should the property be foreclosed upon.

Green said short sales are up in the region — currently running at about 10 percent of listings — and home prices, at least at the lower end, have seemed to stabilize. Sales through the summer declined, though, which be partly blames on stricter lending guidelines.

“Given the state of the economy … it really doesn’t surprise me to see (the surge in notices of default),” Greene said. “I hate to think of it being that high, but it doesn’t surprise me.”

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Tom Greene, the president of the Central Oregon Association of Realtors, said there is good news for homeowners threatened with foreclosures...

See? Always GREAT NEWS!

Foreclosed on? That's GREAT! This is Bend!

Someone died? Divorced? GREAT! I can do an appraisal!

tim said...

>>Now, he’s down to eight or 10 a month, he said, and those are coming from the somewhat steady stream of divorces and deaths. Were it not for those, he said he’d have to fold up shop.

Thank god for divorce and death.

tim said...

How long before there's a herds of appraisers in BMWs following the ambulances to St. Charles Hospital?

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

If there is a similar home in the neighborhood that has sold for a deflated price due to a short sale or foreclosure, Buckles said he’s inclined to omit it from his calculations.

Good call. Deny reality as long as possible. This actually contributes ENORMOUSLY to the problem of SUPPLY GLUT. Overpriced CRAP, fueled by appraisers who are STILL fraudulently, SELECTIVELY IGNORING COMP'S.

tim said...

This appraiser has the best quotes I've seen in a while.

I'm tempted to write a weekly post for you featuring a fictional Bend appraiser who lives in his car (because he couldn't make his house payments) and chases ambulances. It'd be a sort of stream-of-consciousness Faulkner kinda thing.

tim said...

He wouldn't actually go so far as to kill anyone, not yet anyway, but he might be willing to break up a few marriages.

tim said...

Realtors are sleeping in their cars in California...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7585696.stm

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I'm tempted to write a weekly post for you featuring a fictional Bend appraiser...

SEND YOUR STORIES TO: BendBubble2@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

>>If there is a similar home in the neighborhood that has sold for a deflated price due to a short sale or foreclosure, Buckles said he’s inclined to omit it from his calculations.

Yeah, god forbid you should actually use the number people are willing to pay for the nearby houses.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

'Car sleepers' the new US homeless

By Rajesh Mirchandani
BBC News, Santa Barbara

Santa Barbara boasts a classic laidback California lifestyle, with uncongested beaches, wholesome cafes and charming Spanish-style architecture.

Of course there's a hefty price tag: nestled between the gentle Santa Ynez mountains and the inviting Pacific Ocean are multi-million dollar homes.

But in this sun-washed haven of wealth, many live far from the American dream.

In a car park across the street from luxury mansions, the evening brings a strange sight.

A few cars arrive and take up spaces in different corners. In each car, a woman, perhaps a few pets, bags of possessions and bedding.

Across the street from homes with bedrooms to spare, these are Santa Barbara's car sleepers.

Homeless within the last year, they are a direct consequence of America's housing market collapse.

4x4 homes

In this woman-only parking lot, Bonnee, who gives only her first name, wears a smart blue dress and has a business-like demeanour.

A year ago, she was making a healthy living as, ironically, a real estate agent. But when people stopped buying houses, her commission-based income dried up, and, like many clients, she too was unable to pay her mortgage.

Soon she found herself with nowhere to live but her 4x4.

Piles of blankets are in the back of the vehicle. Personal documents are stuffed into seat pockets. Books litter the back seat. A make-up bag and gym membership card (she washes at the gym) are in the front. With her constantly, are photos of her former life.

She can't quite believe her situation.

"My God, America's heart is bleeding," she tells me.

Tears fill her eyes.

"I know it'll get better. But it feels sad. I really fought hard."

A medium-sized 4x4 pulls into the parking lot and 66-year-old Barbara Harvey gets out.

She opens the back door and two large Golden Retrievers jump out.

Barbara begins her nightly routine. She moves a few bags from the boot to the front seat and takes out pyjamas and a carton of yoghurt (her dinner). She then arranges blankets in the back of the car.
It's not an American dream , it's an American nightmare
Nancy Kapp
Outreach worker for car sleepers

Barbara used to work in housing finance - this is the double whammy of the housing collapse where many who worked in the sector lost their jobs and their homes.

But since April, she and her dogs, Ranger and Phoebe, have spent every night in her car. It's cramped, but she says if they sleep diagonally they can all fit.

New trend?

The car park lets the car sleepers enter from 7pm, local public toilets close at dusk.

As a result, Barbara says she doesn't drink any liquids after she arrives. In the mornings, she showers at a friend's house.

Dressed in clean, comfortable clothes and wearing sunglasses, she is far removed from the stereotypical image of homelessness.

"I don't think I fit into anybody's image," she says.

"There's going to be lots of homeless individuals who are middle-class, there can't be anything but. We're in an awful mess economically. I don't think we've seen half of what's going to happen in this country."
It's hard to keep things clean. It's hard to feel complete and whole
Paige Miller

This new phenomenon of middle-class homelessness is hard to quantify, but New Beginnings, an organisation that runs the car park sleeping scheme in Santa Barbara, says they accommodate some 55 people in a dozen parking lots.

Outreach worker Nancy Kapp, once homeless herself, says there is a waiting list for car park spaces and she is getting more and more calls each day from people about to lose their homes.

She identifies it as a new breed of homeless emerging in America.

'American nightmare'

"Being poor is like this cancer, and now this cancer is filtering up to the middle-class," she says. "I don't care how strong you are, it's a breakdown of the human psyche when you start to lose everything you have."

"These people have worked their whole lives to have a house and now it's crumbling and it's in ashes and how devastating is that?" she says.

"It's not an American dream, it's an American nightmare."

California house prices fell by 30% in the year to May. Few parts of America have been hit as hard.

But national housing groups say they have seen a rise in homelessness across the US since the foreclosure crisis began last year.

In another car park in Santa Barbara, Craig Miller, his wife Paige and their two children say they feel cramped in the small mobile home where they have been living for several months.

"It's hard to keep things clean," says Paige. "It's hard to feel complete and whole."

Originally from Florida, the family used to own a four-bedroom house with a pool. But when Craig's business failed, they lost it.

Undeterred, the family embarked on a dream to drive across America and make a new start in California. But unable to find full-time work, and unable to afford rent, as Craig puts it "we got stuck".

He says it was like a holiday at first but now it is much harder.

"Getting money for food, it's not something we've had to think about before," says Craig.

"We're definitely looking forward to getting out and getting a place. And we're working hard at getting there. This is just the journey, it's not the destination.'

As darkness falls on Santa Barbara, the car sleepers settle in for the night.

They'll have to be up early: they are not allowed to stay in the car parks beyond 7am. Some work, others spend their days driving from one spot to another.

When evening comes around again, they return to their car park homes.

In comparison to other countries, and indeed America's own long-term homeless, they are still fortunate.

But as America's economic crisis deepens, could there soon be more of them?

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Good find, Timmy.

Quimby said...

>> Yeah, god forbid you should actually use the number people are willing to pay for the nearby houses.

Hey, mark-to-market is SOOOO 3 days ago. See how UBS is magically turning a profit now that the SEC has relaxed M2M? It works here in Bend too, until you actually NEED to sell.

UBS turns a corner, predicting profits for the third quarter

PS-Do write the story Timmy, do!

LavaBear said...

>>Now, he’s down to eight or 10 a month, he said, and those are coming from the somewhat steady stream of divorces and deaths.

This guy wins quote of the year. How in the fuck did Costa let that one slide through? Must be at a conference or something this week.

Take a look at 2008 thru 3rd qtr compared to the last decade.

Anonymous said...

Repugs can even lose the popular vote election and still win! (source: 2000 Electoral College final tally).

Hate to break the news, but this is 2008, not 2000. Latest map at electoral-vote.com shows 338 electoral votes in Obama's column to a pitiful 185 in John McClown's. FL, VA and OH are now leaning Obama. To win, McClown would have to hold ALL the states now leaning his way and take away ALL the states that are now leaning Obama's way PLUS the one state that's showing as a tie (NC). Ain't gonna happen.

Meanwhile:

There are ten national polls to report today. Obama leads them all. Here they are.
- Battleground (Obama +2)
- CBS (Obama +9)
- Diageo (Obama +5)
- Gallup (Obama +4)
- GfK/Roper (Obama +7)
- Ipsos (Obama +3)
- Opinion Research (Obama +7)
- Pew (Obama +6)
- Rasmussen (Obama +6)
- Research 2000 (Obama +10)

The mean is an Obama lead of 5.9%. With so many polls pointing in the same direction, there can be no doubt that Obama is ahead right now. Chances are the first debate and the financial meltdown caused people to get a more positive impression of him or a more negative impression of McCain. The state polls below give the same impression: Obama is starting to break away.


My advice is to end the denial and start accepting the inevitable reality of an Obama victory now. It will make the ass-reaming your party is going to get on Nov. 4 a little less painful.

Anonymous said...

Sad about Steve Dorn -- only 53 years old. Can't understand people killing themselves over financial reverses. What the fuck, it's only money. But in our society there's a lot of shame attached to financial failure, especially for men. Some can deal with it and bounce back (think Donald Trump) and others can't.

Anonymous said...

I'm tempted to write a weekly post for you featuring a fictional Bend appraiser who lives in his car (because he couldn't make his house payments) and chases ambulances. It'd be a sort of stream-of-consciousness Faulkner kinda thing.

How about a novel? I can picture Carl Hiassen writing it, set in South Florida instead of Bend.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Merenda accepts food stamps? I need to know by Saturday night. Thanks!

LavaBear said...

I love that most of the representatives I've heard interviewed think that raising the FDIC limit is a real good thing for the bailout bill. Isn't the bailout bill supposed to fix the banks so we don't need to worry about them going under?

Anonymous said...

Right now on thing that is making banks go under is the fact that since IndyMac, people with balances over $100k are running from any bank which is even slightly wobbly. These are not the people you want running from banks.

You want the people with tons of money to stay put.

If I had my druthers, I'd do this change and no other.

Anonymous said...

I feel compassion for all those who have to endure Palin tonight. Here's a game to help

http://www.palinbingo.com

Anonymous said...

Isn't the bailout bill supposed to fix the banks so we don't need to worry about them going under?

Very few Americans have more than $100,000 in any one bank, but the idea of raising the FDIC insurance limit is to inspire confidence and discourage people from pulling their money out in a panic.

Anonymous said...

>>Very few Americans have more than $100,000 in any one bank, but the idea of raising the FDIC insurance limit is to inspire confidence and discourage people from pulling their money out in a panic.

May be few PEOPLE, but it's an astounding amount of MONEY, as we found from IndyMac, where there were all kinds of people with lots of money over $100k.

Bewert said...

Re: Tom Greene, the president of the Central Oregon Association of Realtors, said there is good news for homeowners threatened with foreclosures...

Remember this name when you see it on your ballot for City Council.

Bewert said...

Just finalized another licensing deal. Might have to get the drink on to watch Palin and Biden later.

Bewert said...

Hey Marge, when's the next gun show up in Redmond? Don't they have one every fall?

Bewert said...

Marge, never mind. It's Nov. 8-9.

Anonymous said...

>>Hey Marge, when's the next gun show up in Redmond? Don't they have one every fall?

Bruce, whatever you're thinking, please don't do it!

Quimby said...

Bruce, go with a .308 Win.

Billions of rounds in existence (7.62x51 NATO), easy to shoot, inherently accurate, matches .30-06 performance in proper loadings, and will take any game animal in North America when the shooter knows what they're doing.

Bewert said...

Yeah, I've been leaning that way after doing some reading. A Savage 110 in a 308 Win seems like a lot of gun for the money, with excellent accuracy. And usable on both deer and elk with the right weight bullet.

Speaking of bullets, Nosler is a great example of a local niche company that is bringing money into the area from around the world.

Quimby said...

For those that heat with wood:

Isn't it a nice satisfying feeling to see the woodshed filling up in the fall?

Ahhh Fall, my favorite time of year.

Quimby said...

>> A Savage 110 in a 308 Win

You are right on there Bruce. Savage is one of the best values in rifles today.

And yes, I've dropped a few benjamins at the Nosler plant over the years :)

LavaBear said...

>>>Very few Americans have more than $100,000 in any one bank, but the idea of raising the FDIC insurance limit is to inspire confidence and discourage people from pulling their money out in a panic.

No offense but....no shit, I get that part. I just find humor in different places. Like us spending $700 BILLION dollars to fix the credit market which will fix the banks which will let them lend more because we run on credit (debt) and that market is broke. And we'll BORROW that $700 billion which means more debt so we can get those banks to make more debt. It's genius really. Real confidence building as well.

I know everyone is running around screaming the credit market is broke and it must be fixed. I relate it to the housing market. Why aren't houses selling? In my opinion they are priced too high and we need a correction. (Among a million other things but it's my #1 of many.) What I see with the credit market is the fact it's a brand new world. In the old days a bank could lend at nice low rates and then take that loan and bundle it up and sell it and make money on the securitzation and such. Easy money with little risk. Today that market is gone. Probably not really coming back soon. So when a bank is out to loan money they need to charge a higher rate to make up for the fees they've lost without the securitization AND they have to seriously consider the risk factors because they can't pawn it off on the next guy. If we are doing loans and actually considering the risk then shittola, we need to charge a LOT more. So now we have the frozen credit market. Those that want/need credit all of a sudden have to pay the real rate and low and behold that SUCKS. So prices are too high for them. Something has got to give.

And now we have a bailout bill to solve the OLD way of doing business which is probably dead and gone for quite a while. The banks will gladly suck up that cash like a Hoover and then they are still gonna ask for 10% on their loans. And the credit market is still gonna puke. What will solve the credit market is time and the realization we are entering a new world of having to pay the real rate of risk. Sucks.

The beauty of sliding in the FDIC limits is the fact that it's insurance. The banks pay fees to be insured. Those fees have been going up lately just because of what the FDIC has been doing. And guess what? Raising the rate is REALLY going to raise their insurance premiums. Just what cash strapped banks need right now. See...humor in odd places. Love those unintended consequences.

Anonymous said...

LavaBear said...
>>>Very few Americans have more than $100,000 in any one bank, but the idea of raising the FDIC insurance limit is to inspire confidence and discourage people from pulling their money out in a panic.

What most people don't know is if your bank doesn't pay the insurance bill....YOU ARE NOT INSURED.
Please tell me I am wrong..

LavaBear said...

Hey! I didn't say that. I was quoting someone else.

And I'm not 100% sure the answer to your question. I do know banks can opt into the program or not. But I'm not sure if there is a delinquency then is the insurance invalid. Good question. I'll go read up at FDIC.gov and see.

Shit is some kinda fucked up if we are talking about nuance of FDIC insurance.

Anonymous said...

Oh Baby Jeebuz please protect the dumboyz.. You boys are going to hurt yourselves if you start playin with guns now.
Make sure you get some real training before you pull a trigger. If you want, I can arrange a weapons training class for you. If you don't believe you need back up food and water and or protection in the coming days...Good luck.
Off on another tangent..friend told me today that "Steve" hung himself in the showroom Sunday AM and an employee found him. Dirty trick to air it that way. Did you notice there was no wife mentioned in the obit? Maybe that was the real problem..like McDonald.

Anonymous said...

Lavabear..I am not challenging you personally..only the system..if your bank can't make the FDIC ins. payment you are screwed.

LavaBear said...

Me personally? Nah, I said it's a good question and from what I've been reading they have extensive layers of procedural crap before the insurance is bad. It's a much different situation than you missing a payment and losing your insurance. You will know way beforehand if your bank is in jeopardy. The FDIC's job is to make everyone feel ok about their bank and it's their job to deal with banks that DON'T make their payments. Like give all the deposits to JP Morgan and such.

tim said...

>>if your bank can't make the FDIC ins. payment you are screwed.

That's not going to happen. The gov't is willing to print as many dollars as they want to keep people calm when it comes to banking.

If the gov't let a bank stop paying the insurance and then pulled a "gotcha" and didn't pay off depositors, the whole system would be gone--no one would keep their money in.

Anonymous said...

In an exchange with a rep from a community management person today: his company manages 400 associations in Oregon and Washington with a total of 40,000 homes -- they are seeing 5 foreclosures/bankruptcies per day in the communities they manage!
Exercise caution when considering buying into a community with an HOA.

Anonymous said...

So I'll admit.... While I didn't think Palin came of spectacularly, she did indeed do better than the the picture in my head of her drooling and repeating "oh, and it's gotta be about job creation."

Biden came out on top in my opinion and on some polls I have seen, but I don't think it's really going to have a huge effect.

Palin did not damage herself.

No drooling.

Quimby said...

>> You boys are going to hurt yourselves if you start playin with guns now.

Oh Margie, let's just say ol' Quimby has that department "covered". Now about Brucey, dunno.

Quimby said...

Tim,

Do you think the American public is even capable of getting panicked about ANYTHING (except maybe the TV stations going offline for a week or two)?

I see a lot of complacency and flat out disinterest in what is happening before our eyes. When you do get someone to engage, all the do is repeat sound bites and propaganda fed to them by the normal media channels.

Seriously, what will it take?

Wake Up People!

Bewert said...

Marge, it's been over ten years since I've done much shooting, so I'll take you up on that. When I lived in Alta I hunted deer most every year. Long time ago ago now, though.

Palin looked better than expected. No meltdowns. Biden was obviously more knowledgable. Trend lines continue in Obama's direction. slowly but surely.

tim said...

I find Biden much more likable than Obama. Wish he were the top of the ticket.

Anonymous said...

Palin did fucking fine, as I predicted. You twats all under-estimated her.

She did every bit as good as she did in the Alaska debates.

Most interesting is that she mentioned Mc$ain 100X times for every time that Biden mentioned OR-BOME-EO!!!!

Talking about on target. Palin doesn't fucking listen to anything, she just says what she supposed to say. Glen Ifil & Biden must have gone fucking crazy.

AmeriKKKa deserves no better than a hot dumb bitch to rule them.

I concur with marge, looks like the OREO has it for now, but we know Mc$ain will pull shit out of his ASS.

Watch this debate, notice how Palin went on&on about wall-st corruption, and bail-outs. She doesn't have to vote on shit, and thus she can say anything.

If & when the DEM's pass this bail-out for BUSH, from then on PALIN-MCCAIN will call it the BUSH-OREO BAILOUT. This will mark the difference.

The BAILOUT the senate passed is so full of PORK its terrible, and if the house passes it, then PALIN will just REAM the mother fuckers.

Bewert said...

Re: PALIN-MCCAIN will call it the BUSH-OREO BAILOUT

You mean the one McCain voted yes on?

Bewert said...

Want to see real angst, read the GB Packers sites: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081002/PKR01/81002180&s=d&page=3#pluckcomments

Favre is thrown overboard, lands at the Jets, currently leads the NFL in TD's and QB rating. His replacement, Aaron Rodgers, is trying to feel good enough to play in his fifth game. His shoulder got hurt.

Favre has played in almost 400 straight.

And my beef? I was leading my fantasy league last week. And then I put Rodgers in over Favre, against my heart. I was using my head, checking the defensive stats, seeing who had the easier field as both were playing well.

And Brett had that bum ankle.

I lost by less than a half point.

Could have won by 30.

Man, that was fucking stupid.

The gut knows. Simple as that.

Anonymous said...

We cannot recall when there were lower expectations for a candidate than the ones that preceded Sarah Palin’s appearance in Thursday night’s vice-presidential debate with Joseph Biden. After a series of stumbling interviews that raised serious doubts even among conservatives about her fitness to serve as vice president, Ms. Palin had to do little more than say one or two sensible things and avoid an election-defining gaffe.

By that standard, but only by that standard, the governor of Alaska did well. But Ms. Palin never really got beyond her talking points in 90 minutes, mostly repeating clichés and tired attack lines and energetically refusing to answer far too many questions.

Senator Biden did well, avoiding one of his own infamous gaffes, while showing a clear grasp of the big picture and the details. He left Ms. Palin way behind on most issues, especially foreign policy and national security, where she just seemed lost. It was in those moments that her lack of experience — two terms as mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb and less than two years as governor — was most painfully evident.

Asked about Israel, Ms. Palin reeled off her support for “a two-state solution, building our embassy also in Jerusalem, those things that we look forward to being able to accomplish with this peace-seeking nation.” Asked about the possible use of nuclear weapons, she declared “nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be-all, end-all of just too many people and too many parts of our planet.” On Iraq, all she had to offer was the false accusation that Barack Obama wants to surrender.

Mr. Biden directly challenged Ms. Palin’s debate prep on Afghanistan — pointing out that the commander there had disagreed with Mr. McCain’s call for an Iraq-style “surge” in Afghanistan. Ms. Palin tried to contradict him, but the most memorable part of her answer was that she got the general’s name wrong.

One can argue (and her supporters will) that Ms. Palin is a newcomer and can’t be expected to know all of the wonkish details, that what matters is the image she projects. Except, anyone who is running for vice president in these very dangerous times needs to have detailed knowledge.

When it came to domestic issues, Ms. Palin mainly relied on enthusiasm and humor, talking about hockey moms, soccer moms and Joe Sixpack almost as often as she used the word “maverick” to describe Mr. McCain or herself.

But she offered virtually no detail — beyond the Republican mantra of tax cuts — for how she and Mr. McCain would address the financial crisis or help Americans avoid foreclosure or what programs they would cut because of the country’s disastrous fiscal problems.

Ms. Palin’s primary tactic was simply to repeat the same thing over and over: John McCain is a maverick. So is she. To stay on that course, she had to indulge in some wildly circular logic: America does not want another Washington insider. They want Mr. McCain (who has been in Congress for nearly 26 years). Ms. Palin condemned Wall Street greed and said she and Mr. McCain would “demand” strict oversight. In virtually the next breath, she said government should “get out of the way” of American business.

There were occasional, disturbing flashes of the old, pre-campaign Sarah Palin. Asked about the causes of global warming, Ms. Palin suggested that man had some role — but she wasn’t saying how much.

In the end, the debate did not change the essential truth of Ms. Palin’s candidacy: Mr. McCain made a wildly irresponsible choice that shattered the image he created for himself as the honest, seasoned, experienced man of principle and judgment. It was either an act of incredible cynicism or appallingly bad judgment. -- NY Times


I really have nothing to add to that.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart: http://eismann-sf.com/news/?p=668

Anonymous said...

OPB is reporting that the city of bend laid off eleven workers this week:

Oregon Cities Talk Lost Jobs, Economic Worries

BY ETHAN LINDSEY

Bend, OR October 3, 2008 2:55 p.m.

Close to 500 representatives of cities across Oregon are meeting in Salem Friday. The League of Oregon Cities annual summit is being held this year in the face of tough economic news. Central Oregon correspondent Ethan Lindsey reports.


The economic slowdown has hit central Oregon cities more than most.

Bend has gone through three rounds of layoffs, including 11 jobs cut just this week. Redmond eliminated five positions. And Crook County laid off three employees.

Mike McCauley is the executive director of the League of Oregon Cities.

Mike McCauley: “Generally, the whole economic situation and the financial stresses that cities are under is an ongoing topic of conversation. Bend’s not alone in terms of fiscal pressure.”

McCauley says another topic that has been brought up is 2007 ethics reform legislation that resulted in many city resignations in rural Oregon.

He says the League has developed a legislative proposal to change the ethics rules, including eliminating the requirement to identify your family members to the state.

Anonymous said...

Want to see real angst, read the GB Packers sites

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I JUST SEE THE BP-PUSSY GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS BY 100'S OF GB-FOOT BALL PLAYERS, AND ALL THE WHILE A SMILE EAR-TO-EAR ON HIS FACE.

Anonymous said...

ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..
Nigh

Bewert said...

Flowchart good, Effed in the ass, no thank you. Just seeing if any others here have got sucked into this Fantasy Football thing.

Bewert said...

Re:
He says the League has developed a legislative proposal to change the ethics rules, including eliminating the requirement to identify your family members to the state.

Doesn't really seem that onerous to me.

Anonymous said...

sucked into this Fantasy Football ... am I the only one who fantasizes ?
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BP fantasizes taking it in the ass by all teams, and then giving them all head.

BP KILL YOUR TV, IF YOU MUST BUY A GUN, SHOOT YOUR FUCKING TV.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I believe Osama: He says we'll MAKE A PROFIT on this thing. Really? A profit on the very Bad Debts that are about to sink The Entire World's Financial Infrastructure? We'll make a profit on that?

No. Stop LYING Barack. We will lose everything.

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MORE BUSH, THAN BUSH. Should be OR-BOMB-EO's Theme.

The best sales man the 'system' ever had, a system of lawyers, and bankers.

The Natives Are Restless said...

O.J.'s goin' down. It's about fucking time.

Anonymous said...

>>O.J.'s goin' down. It's about fucking time.

Did you have to get him drunk first?

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen Sept sales and medians?

Anonymous said...

Hola, yo tengo mass ifomacion..:)
Whad'a ya wanna know Bro?

September sales local information for Bend Orygun follows:

Sold 119 at $277+k median (not dropping or going up).Highest volume of the year. Must be a good market :( Not! Cripe's the credit market has me holdin my you know what. BBBB.
I suppose you need something to compare those #'s to.
August..Sold 97 @ $282k median.
YOY 3rd quarter, 2008 to date 9/30 Sold 862 @ 299k median.
2007 YTD 9/30 Sold 1238 @ $349k median.
2006 going back...Sold 1693 @ $351k median.

Anonymous said...

Bruce wrote: Yeah, I've been leaning that way after doing some reading. A Savage 110 in a 308 Win seems like a lot of gun for the money, with excellent accuracy. And usable on both deer and elk with the right weight bullet.

Tikka 308...Tikka anything for that matter. Go to Big R or Sportsman's Warehouse and check out the Tikka rifles. They are the best value for the $. Barrels are made by Sako and the action is second to none. Even the most diehard American rifle fans will all tell you Tikka makes one hell of a gun. Very very accurate gun right out of the box.

Made in Finland

http://www.tikka.fi/

Bewert said...

That's a nice looking weapon. Never heard of it before.

From a review: "Up date on the tikka 308,went to the range yesterday morning and this thing is unbelievable.I shot several loads using bullets and different powder from 125 gr to 168 grain match.Only shot 3-shot groups out of the groups I shot at 100 yds got 2 one hole groups and at 300 got one one holer,let my budddy shoot it and he shot a one holer at 300. This thing is awesome."

And under $500.

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