Well, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, by Ye Olde BendBubble2 blog has expended much virtual ink on the idea that there are people that need to be convinced that there is in fact a RE Bubble of unparalleled size imploding right now in our fair city. I've long talked that the nationwide implosion of wealth would be probably the most dramatic economic event in this country this decade (Or 2. Or 3), and it would probably be far and away the most important event in the history of Bend. So many previous posts were about convincing you that it was coming, and trying to guide people in a rational course of action, if you are caught in the Bend RE bubble. Hmmmm....that doesn't seem to be really necessary anymore.
If you can fog a mirror, you may have begun to perceive through the numerous obscure references to the US economy imploding before our eyes that have become de rigeur on The Nightly News & on the Presidential Cacophony of Bullshit, that The Shit Has Officially Hit The Fan. You may have started to notice a frenzied attempt to calm the masses with a large number of $600 checks. Yes, yes. That'll set things right. I'm looking at a $100K spanking on each of my 5 Bend spec homes, and by God, $600 will make it all better.
And as an aside, the Classic Stupidity of Liberals was aired on KTVZ, with respect to a "poll" asking locals what they would do with their refund check. The second person asked was a red-faced Bush hater, who responded, "I don't see how anyone can accept money from that... lying.... MAN!". Such vitriol for Bush is common, but ONLY KTVZ would have aired such an irrelevant liberal rant. Good call, dumbshits.
And so this blog must move to a new phase of chronicling the destruction, instead of convincing you about the depth & breadth of the coming horrors. The horror is here. And it's not leaving for the rest of our lives. It'll lead to a helluva recession in this country, despite protestations that it'll be short & mild. The government has NEVER predicted anything but short & mild recessions.
Bends fate is dramatically different though. We'll return to the Bend of Olde. Yes, when the dreadlocked set were easily employed for the Summer. When Bend teachers worked retail all Summer. 12% unemployment in February. You know, the good stuff, Depression era Bend.
Yes, I actually heard The "D" Word, by the abortion of Suzie Orman, Melony Hobson, on Good Morning America. Of course she said it would not happen in America EVER, but she actually defined what a depression is: 10% drop in GDP. I didn't know that. She said there has actually been a Depression since WWII, although she didn't say when. I'm guessing the early 80's.
Anyway, I've said often Bend is headed for a recession, which of course we are already in, right now. But that is sort damning our town with faint praise: We're headed for a Depression, in fact we are probably in it's beginning stages RIGHT NOW. And before it's over, DOWN 10% will look Damn Good.
So, with that I will try to temper my Predictions Of Doom, because it seems quite obvious to any sentient being that we are in the teeth of the most ravaging economic conflagration this town & the country will experience in the next 100 years.
So what's on the mind of our blessed commenters?
Well, there is one thread that sort of makes me chuckle, but lemme quote a wikipedia chunk on what an Alchemist is, first:
The best known goals of the alchemists were the transmutation of common metals into gold (called chrysopoeia) or silver (less well known is plant alchemy, or "spagyric"); the creation of a "panacea or the elixir of life," a remedy that supposedly would cure all diseases and prolong life indefinitely; and the discovery of a universal solvent.[1] Although these were not the only uses for the science, they were the ones most documented and well known. Starting with the Middle Ages, European alchemists invested much effort on the search for the "philosopher's stone", a legendary substance that was believed to be an essential ingredient for either or both of those goals. The Philosophers Stone was believed to mystically amplify the user's knowledge of alchemy so much that anything was attainable. Alchemists enjoyed prestige and support through the centuries, though not for their pursuit of those goals, nor the mystic and philosophical speculation that dominates their literature. Rather it was for their mundane contributions to the "chemical" industries of the day—the invention of gunpowder, ore testing and refining, metalworking, production of ink, dyes, paints, and cosmetics, leather tanning, ceramics and glass manufacture, preparation of extracts and liquors, and so on (it seems that the preparation of aqua vitae, the "water of life", was a fairly popular "experiment" among European alchemists).
Alchemy? What the hell sort of analogy is this about? Here's some guesses:
1) New Bend business transplant, International Environmental Technologies.
2) Bend real estate.
3) Bend, itself
4) Capstone turbines
5) The Shire
6) Tuscany Arctic Pine Butt Munkees
7) All of the above
8) Number 9
Yeah, my own guess is Number 8, which in fact leads to Number 9, which in fact leads to... confusion & nothing. Which, if you've been reading this blog for long, is pretty close to the mark. But, perhaps it is All of the Above.
Bend is built on the idea that you can convert an empty fantasy into something of substance. IET, is so perfect for Bend, it really is amusing. All the essentials are there:
1) Overly Impressive, yet meaningless name? CHECK!
2) Business Plan that defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics? CHECK!
3) Black box technology that somehow promises infinite wealth, yet sells zero units? CHECK!
4) Dumbfuck town willing to fund hucksters into the next century? CHECK!
As Brucey put it:
Whenever I hear about creating energy using extremely high temps, I start to wonder just how much net energy you end up with...
See, I was raised in a town where you burned your garbage in a big 32 gallon drum out back. NEVER did I get anything back, when I burned shit. But the alchemists at IET have totally bamboozled EDCO (ie Bend taxpayers) into sucking their corporate beanbag to relocate here. Here was Jeff Surma's (IET CEO) pitch:
Jeff: Roger Lee, how goes it? Dude, we have totally made a Magic Garbage Can, where you throw shit in, and out pops unlimited wealth! It's awesome!
Roger: Really? Cool! Cuz we need some big shit now that our previous Master Plan, "Double Down On Red", has imploded. What happens if I throw garbage in it?
Jeff: Dude, it totally produces this stuff, it's like plasma gas, that actually powers anything you want!
Roger: Really? What if I take a shit in my hand, and throw it in there?
Jeff: Dude, out pops a solid gold toilet! Seriously!
Roger: This seems to defy 9th grade physics though. Plus I've taken a shit in about 600 campfires, and never ended up with a solid gold toilet.
Jeff: Dude! That's old school, bullshit theory! It's 2008! It's Hammertime! This is the New Economy! Haven't you heard of Rumpelstiltskin? That shits in a BOOK! It's been proven in Estonian physics labs that this stuff works! Dude, just to prove how lucrative this is, here's a free coupon for a bottle of $4 wine at the Grocery Outlet!
Roger: Damn! It must really work!
And so forth. IET is exactly the sort of company this town attracts. Whether it's turning straw into gold, water into wine, or shit into solid gold toilets, Bend is your kind of town if you're in the grifting trade. You'll notice that water-to-wine, bullshit energy products make the rounds everytime oil pops up 50% "Gas additives" that boost your mileage to 300mpg? Yeah, every pop in oil. This is the same thing, it's just the Long Con for The Big Money.
And Bend is the Perfect Mark.
City of Bend On It's Way To Going Broke
An anonymous poster put the contents of this Bulletin piece in the comments, "Bend park board’s HQ on track as ball fields are slashed".
Pretty straightforward: Our fair City assumed that Doubling Down On Red was The Eternal Road To Riches back in the day, but unfortunately they didn't do 2 things first:
1) Read this blog
2) Think
So Big Fun, enviro-friendly, The Money Will Never End sort of projects, like Bend Pine Disneyworld are being scaled back to meth-den, gang-run Mexi-Cali shithole "parks", featuring parking lot & portable toilets, and the occasional raped jogger.
The scaling back on this particular project should give you pause about moving to, or staying in a city that is RIGHT NOW laying off cops: From $13MM, clear down to $2MM, or an 85% cut. THIS is just a hint of what's to come, and really happens to anyplace that sells it's soul to the devil or Brooks Resources: QUALITY OF LIFE GOES AWAY.
We made a Faustian Bargain that we'd do anything to be Number 1. Welp, the devil delivered, and now it's time to pay. Practically FREE SDC charges have transferred profits from the Citizens of Bend, to Mike Hollern, Randy Sebastian, and other shysters. Instead of parks, we have parking lots. Instead of cops, we'll have crack houses. Instead of handicap ramps, we have... nothing. Instead of mass transit, we got a junk yard.
And it's cold comfort that people like Hollern plowed their cash back into Fields of Dreams like Yarrow and Ironhorse, with a time to 100% absorption of 1 Human Lifetime.
Bankers Lament:
Who can forget the day I proudly posted The Plaza, as the first entry on our little RIP Hall Of Fame? Well, according to posts here and on BendBB, the $20.5MM note on The Plaza was sold by Umpqua Bank, possibly to make payroll, for $7MM.
First I'll note that statements about a "30%" return are slightly off the mark. This would have yielded Umpqua a tidy $26MM, give or take. No, the real return was -66%. Remember the post about how the Number 70, seemed to be popping up more than normal? This one is another close call.
I will say right now, that you should go have a look at the Plaza units, and offer 30 cents on the dollar. Those are going to be some nice rentals. And at $120/sf, they might even pencil, if you defer maintenance, and really gouge renters on their deposits. Right Buster?
In addition to Umpqua's shellacking, CACB posted their "dismal" results for Q4. Someone posted rather extensive financial highlights in the comments. Here are some interesting ratios & figures (2007 vs 2006, and the % chg):
Return on average total shareholders' equity (book) 7.42% 15.93% -53.4%
Delinquent >30 days to total loans 0.47% 0.09% 450.6%
Non-performing assets to total loans 2.23% 0.16% 1302.1%
Non-performing assets (5) 45,696 3,005 1420.7%
Net loan charge-offs (annualized) 0.33% 0.08% 308.5%
Yeah. I guess that 1302% INCREASE IN NON-PERFORMING ASSETS caught my eye. Seems like a uncomfortable trend? I don't know, maybe I'm just alarmist. Although they also noted this about their Developer Loans:
As background, this portfolio represents loans made to developers for the purpose of acquiring raw land and/or for the subsequent development of residential lots. The nationwide downturn in real estate has slowed lot and home sales within the Company's markets. This has impacted certain developers by lengthening the marketing period of their projects and negatively affecting borrower liquidity and collateral values. Accordingly, at December 31, 2007, those land development loans adversely rated through our internal risk-rating process totaled approximately $151 million or about 48% of the land development portfolio. Generally when a loan is adversely rated, an elevated level of credit reserve may be allocated based upon current facts and circumstances. In part, the higher provision for the fourth quarter represents the outcome of this ongoing process.
Huh. I guess Paul-doh is lucky he did not bet HALF OF ALL DEVELOPER LOANS IN BEND ARE BULLSHIT, cuz I would have lost. Only 48% of CACB loans to developers are in trouble. Still manageable, but I think CACB exec's might wanna keep an eye on that, cuz that could go seriously wrong. Not today, and not tomorrow. But someday. But these guys are sharp. Look at this analysis:
At December 31, 2007, Customer Relationship deposits(1) were up 7.2% compared to a year ago but decreased 2.9% on a linked-quarter basis. This decline in part reflects the end of the peak summer and fall tourism and construction season wherein deposit balances typically ease through the winter quarter. However, management also believes a general slowing in real estate activity has contributed to this trend, as deposits in real estate related business accounts show a reduction in average and end of period balances as compared to the prior year and quarter.
"Management believes a general slowdown in real estate" is adversely impacting deposits. Wow. They nailed that to the wall. But, it's no biggie, right now. But again, a trend to watch. This leads me to another topic:
SMEAR IT OUT:
You ever notice that Elizabeth Taylor is always "smeared out". She's all fuzzy & big-tittied. She almost looks doable.
Well, of course she is horrible, which is why the Paparazzi never get her; a clear photograph would bust the lense. Same with Bend, the Horror That Is Bend RE, and Bend Media.
To the extent that they ARE even covering the RE meltdown (The biggest story in Bend history. Have I said that?), they are SMEARING OUT the facts as much as is possible to give us the Lizzy Taylor titty bang.
The Smear Across Time:
Unemployment? Well... it's realy not so bad, cuz it's WHERE IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO.
Smear Across Geography:
And unemployment in Deschutes, Crook, Jefferson, Baker, Wallowa counties when mixed with Uzbekistan is at a comforting 8%.
Right. When we can count on The Bulletin to cover things, they are SMEARING them out to an almost ridiculous degree. WHY? Of course, because if you average in ANYTHING that occurred in 2004-2006, it drags everything up. If you smear it across many counties, or even better, the entire Northwest, it's impossible to figure out how Bend is actually doing.
And after all, we are MORONS who can't scratch our way out of a wet paper sack, at least according to the Bulletin.
Affordable Home In Bend:
This one is classic.
Now, first I'll say that this place needs affordable homes. And on the face of it, the Wednesday Bulletin article, "Low-cost houses in Bend's future" looks good for Bend's affordability problem. But is it affordable, or is it another "Eagle's Landing" maneuver, where prices are lowered, but the PRODUCT YOU'RE GETTING is also dramatically downsized? Buster say:
"Work Force Housing", somebody smells federal work projects coming, note the word "Force", they say no federal aid will be needed, but the "Work" will be Federal, and the projects forced, but is this enough to rescue the City of Bend.
I also got this distinct feeling as well. This is LABORER SHIT SHACK HOUSING. My Lord, they even interviewed housing development expert & Cessna exec Doug Oliver regarding this:
Cessna spokesman Doug Oliver said he tended to agree. Oliver said he's not familiar with the Mirada project specifically, but the consensus at Cessna's Witchita, Kan., headquarters is that its Bend plant is destined for growth in its work force, and anything that makes it easier to attract workers from outside the area, if that becomes necessary, will help its future here.
This is just awesome! Classic Bulletin-fueled insanity. Some shithole patch of scrub has been downgraded to Crap Shack Development, so David Fisher IMMEDIATELY runs out to the airport to blow.... errr, uh, interview any Cessna exec he can get his lips on. Their response?
"I don't know shit about this, but the mothership is 100% for stuff that makes us money, including the reclamation of energy from crap, plowing over foreclosed land, cross-breeding alien monkeys with humans, green energy garbage cans, and porno's where chicks go ass to ass on giant dildos like Jennifer Connelly did in Requiem For A Dream. That is the sum total of our knowledge about this issue."
Good job, David Fisher.
Econo-Rocket RETURNS... WITH A VENGENCE!
BEM, smart dude extraordinaire, has just checked in with this nugg:
CACB:
As background, this portfolio represents loans made to developers for the purpose of acquiring raw land and/or for the subsequent development of residential lots. The nationwide downturn in real estate has slowed lot and home sales within the Company's markets. This has impacted certain developers by lengthening the marketing period of their projects and negatively affecting borrower liquidity and collateral values.
"Nationwide downturn." Yeah, right. In other words, "beyond our control," "out of our hands," "couldn't see it coming." Someone at BOTC's been talking to the lawyers...
OK, back to reality. What seemed more likely in 2005, mass hysteria aside:
Option A: that an isolated, small town with no significant economic base except homebuilding and tourism, over 100 miles from any Interstate, over 100 miles from any city with over 100,000 population, over 100 miles from any 4-year college, surrounded on three sides by hundreds of miles of open land, with a population topping 70,000 and a median household income of under $50,000, can sustain indefinitely a median home price of close to half a million dollars, and a property price runup of over 100% in five years is based on fundamental economic strength and is a trend expected to continue into the foreseeable future.
Option B: that when there's been a property runup of over 100% in five years and the median home price approaches $500,000 in a community as described above, a massive speculative bubble has been formed and asset values are unstable; a major devaluation of property prices is therefore expected.
2 things. First this gels with the short thread about Half, OR. If you've never been there, it is one of the more bleak-ass near-ghost towns at The End Of A One-Way Street. If you're looking for others, WALK OUTSIDE. Bend is The Premiere ONE WAY TOWN. People coming here, typically turn around 180 degrees when it's time to go. Typical of places with this characteristic is a 100% DISSIPATION BASED ECONOMY. Fairbanks, AK is such a place. Skagway AK is another. Walk about 100 yards beyond the TOURIST SHMEAR, and you find NOTHING. These sorts of places are hollowed out, gutted communities, filled with borderline catatonic inhabitants going out of their minds.
You can closely figure out THE BUST of such places by going to a local Wal-Mart: They bust the hardest when the auto department is FULL OF GASOLINE ADDITIVES. Why? These places are 100% dissipation economies that ARE EXPENSIVE TO GET TO, AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, IT'S EVEN MORE COSTLY TO LEAVE THEM. Bend is 100% dependent on Cheap Gas, but with oil at $100/bbl, we are dead meat. Namely Bachelor is DEAD. Notice there has been NO MENTION about Bachelor in the Bulletin this year. Why? Of course, Bachelor has busted as hard or harder than RE.
Second, there is an EXTREMELY well-written opinion piece in todays Bulletin, that made me speculate that I have AGAIN, identified who BEM really is. So I'll end this weeks post, with this incredibly smart piece about Bends decline, where the words "Motherfucker" and "smelly cunt" are not even used once:
Bend’s short-sighted planning will have far-reaching effects
By Alistair Paterson / Bulletin guest columnist
Published: January 26. 2008 5:00AM PST
As a transplant to Bend from Kauai, Hawaii, I am struck by the similarities between the two communities. Both are about the same size, have approximately the same number of people and face the same growing pains and challenges, i.e. a rapidly expanding population base and an infrastructure struggling to keep pace with it. Additionally, they pride themselves on their natural beauty and their numerous outdoor athletic activities. Indeed, the prose in their respective tourist publications is so similar one might easily suppose it’s generated from the same source.
What puzzles me is why these wonderful places are so willing to surrender all the qualities that made them so special. There’s still hope that Kauai may retain some of its rural appeal, but Bend, based on its recent past, appears committed to a never-ending stream of new “community” housing developments. Even the most casual observer cannot help but note the large number of cheaply constructed tenement-style row houses that will certainly deteriorate into the slums of the future.
Somehow, developers have convinced the powers that be that these poorly conceived communities serve Bend’s best interest. While the real estate market was booming, their heavily promoted product was quickly snapped up by a naive audience of buyers easily persuaded that this would be their last chance to jump aboard the real estate express. With the continuing downward spiral of the market, however, these same developers are being forced to significantly discount their product. The result is that they cut even more corners in the building process and subsequently market the homes for substantially less money than they persuaded buyers to pay for them over the past few years. Potential buyers would have been well advised to remember the adage “the bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has disappeared.”
The situation has deteriorated so dramatically that across the nation Bend is perceived as having been vastly overbuilt and on an inventory versus population ratio, the amount of unsold homes on the market is among the highest in the country. It’s well past due that the overactive promotional glands of the visitor’s bureau, the chamber of commerce and the City Council be tempered by these facts. Any more development is not only ill-advised but practically suicidal, at least until current inventory levels have been significantly reduced and infrastructure improvements catch up with the recent population explosion. To even consider allowing Juniper Ridge to proceed under the current conditions is essentially nothing short of criminal.
Yes — planning for future growth is prudent and appropriate, but it’s also essential that the city take off its rose-colored glasses and accept the reality that Bend has a crisis on its hands. The visitor’s bureau spends $250,000 on its most recent advertising campaign but ignores the fact that, thanks to this thoughtless development frenzy, there is no longer even an attractive approach to the city. Anyone driving into Bend — according to current promotional materials the land of blue skies, powdery snow, elegant fare, snow angels and sleigh rides — will instead face clogged roads, urban sprawl, commercial strip malls, enormous billboards, a downtown with the worst festive lighting display of any resort area, and a city sharply divided between the haves and the have-nots.
In more than 30 years of general real estate, I’ve never observed such a lovely community with so many red flags waving at the same time. The current proliferation of gated communities is one of the first signs of a city in crisis, as these only serve to further polarize and divide a community that is increasingly losing all sense of its original appeal and ambiance. I know the people who live in these enclaves will object to this description, but it’s quickly obvious that the vast majority of their residents are recent transplants who escaped to Bend only to work toward the destruction of everything that drew me here originally. If indeed the tourist bureau’s promotional material is to be believed, why are gated areas a requisite at all?
The impact of such short-sighted planning coupled with a nationwide real estate crunch will have far-reaching effects for the city of Bend. I believe it will be at least four years before the median real estate prices return to those of 2006. It’s vital to remember that sooner or later, you reap what you sow, and if there is not an immediate perspective adjustment at every level of planning and promotion, then the only thing requiring more money will be a minor name change and new entry signage stating “Welcome to Bend — a gorgeous little community until greed took the lead.”
Alistair Paterson lives in Bend.
Sunday, January 27, 2008
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>>Why is the Dow so high today?
Lately it's all MBIA and Ambac. Your friendly monoline bond insurers. Anything that changes the bets on those two drives the markets.
Today MBIA had a 4 hour conference call dismissing all the negative statements that were made about them yesterday.
Could be that today we got the pop we should have got yesterday. Yesterday was ruined by...MBIA and Ambac.
Disclosure...I own a small amount of Ambac stock.
You're thinking about a place called
BAKER CITY
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Paul D -- me thinks you are planning to move out to Baker City after Bend reverts back to desert and becomes a tumbling-tumbleweed ghost town. Will you come out of hiding and reveal your identity then?
PS ms tucker -- just posting to run up the numbers are not going to win you any friends on this blog. just saying ...
Pavlov's Dogs And Rate Cut Reactions
The market is rallying on the "good news" of more rate cuts. This is trained Pavlog's dog thinking. However, unemployed persons are not going to be paying mortgages, and capital impaired lending institutions are going to be stuck with more houses as People "walk away", some because they want to, many because they have no choice.
Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
On another note, here is how Executive Session notices have degenerated over the last few years:
May 19, 2004 Work Session:
Mayor Teater called a recess to executive session at 6:32 pm pursuant to ORS 192.660(1)(e) to conduct deliberations with persons designated by the governing body to negotiate real property transactions; and/or ORS 192.660(1)(h) to consult with counsel concerning the legal rights and duties of a public body with regard to current litigation or litigation likely to be filed.
Source: www.ci.bend.or.us/city_hall/meeting_minutes/docs/05_19_04_Work_Session.pdf
May 2, 2007 Work Session:
Mayor Abernethy called a recess to Executive Session at 6:42 P.M. pursuant to ORS 192.660 (2) (d through h)
Source: www.ci.bend.or.us/city_hall/meeting_minutes/docs/minutes_05_02_07_Work_Session.pdf
The first provides an idea of what was discussed and why it was made secret, while the second could be just about anything. And considering our city attorney doesn't really seem to know the relevant law, I'm sure the press lackey's "overseeing" the Executive Sessions are even more clueless.
I plan to send Mayor Abernethy one last e-mail concerning this BS, and then bust their balls to the Oregon Government Standards and Practices Commission if they don't clean up their act to the bare minimum required by law. I really hate to take that step, but it is really starting to piss me off. Especially as I have brought it up directly more than once.
Apologies for being childish. No one here EVER is.
FYI,
Bend Residential Sales on less than an acre, stand at 62 Sold with $315,489 Med.
Jan 07 was 135 Sold.
Later Boys
The sad thing is that the following three statements are the most well written statement's our ficticious woman has ever posted.
We have heard over and over in this group that most RE women are illiterate, perhaps once again we can close an issue. There seems to be absolute proof of this assertion. Lastly, I'm concerned when someone is obviously hitting the bottle earlier than buster.
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I want to be the 400th comment.
January 31, 2008 1:01 PM
Blogger MStucker said...
Realtor is 400th
January 31, 2008 1:02 PM
Blogger MStucker said...
Newbie is 400th
Paul D -- me thinks you are planning to move out to Baker City after Bend reverts back to desert and becomes a tumbling-tumbleweed ghost town. Will you come out of hiding and reveal your identity then?
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Baker is the town that Bend used to be. Homer is right. There is NO issue here.
When someone asks "where can I find a nice house, with a big lot, and a nice neighborhood of good people,... the answer here is going to be Baker City.
Hell they got a brewpub, they're off an interstate, they got the finest hotel in the west, their downtown rivals Bends, and they got the blue-mtns out their back-door, and anthony lakes which is the best skiing in the world.
Comparing Baker to Bend is like comparing Aspen to Tijuana.
p.s. That's why I'm not moving, cuz I know bend is reverting to a ghost town. Homer just doesn't have patience.
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Will you come out of hiding and reveal your identity then?
FUCK YOU WITH 'HOMERS IDENTITY' WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS IDEAS, NOT PERSONALITIES. PATHETIC REALTORS, JUST DON'T GET IT.
Nobody should give a fuck who Homer is, and I hope he keeps it that way, cuz if he is stupid enough to fill their dimwitted curiosity, then we'll not have any fun anymore, cuz he'll have to be like Ned Flanders, and worry about who he offends, in this two horse desert Island we call a town.
And just in time for the bursting of the RE bubble, LS steps in and we commit $12 million plus that we didn't have. Pretty much a clusterfuck all around.
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Don't forget to add that the $3M we did get from LS goes straight to KURATEK, so ALL to date that taxpayer has got out of JR is The $12M loss on LS, and think about the MILLIONS to date like the OTAK throwaway.
Have you found their MASTER-PLAN, it would be interesting to see the DELTA, so we knew what was so important that KURATEK had to offer, my guess it was the houses, or perhaps it was his Rasputin personality.
Then look up at Redmond, no fucking around up there, and NO way a KURATEK would ever get past anyone in that incestuous town. Note that even Garzini lives in Redmond. He knows where its safe.
How many millions and millions to date have been thrown away on Bend JR??
Any guess? Real cost like infinite Cooley/97 study, ....
All costs integrated, its just a permanent consultants pig trough, they don't want this to ever end, its Bend we're exceptional, where every dumb pig is king, and feed at the trough.
City-Hall has never seen a PR firm, or a consultant it couldn't throw a million at in this town.
A revolving door to hell, Bend is, it is.
>>Apologies for being childish. No one here EVER is.
They'll bust your chops for ANYTHING here. I don't know how many times I've cried myself to sleep after being humiliated here.
LAST POST!
>> They'll bust your chops for ANYTHING here. I don't know how many times I've cried myself to sleep after being humiliated here.
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Oh gawd.......I'm tearing up!
Anybody else ever see this article, by Allan Bruckner, the guy who wrote about JR in Bend Business last summer? Although a few months dated, it's interesting reading. I just posted the whole article at http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com/
JUNIPER RIDGE
Ramifications and Consequences
August 15, 2007
Following publication of my article “The Bend Ultimatum: Juniper Ridge” in the Bend Business Review last June I have repeatedly been asked about the project. This presentation will relate some of the problems created by the flawed procedures, outlined in the article, used by the City of Bend.
It appears the council and staff completely overlooked the impact, and complications caused, by choosing to do a 1500 acre project. And it now appears that promoters of the project have vested so much of themselves in it that they cannot objectively consider any other points of view. All questions and criticisms are automatically rejected without discussion, kind of like the Bush White House. While presentations of site plans have been presented by consultants, the city has never openly debated the economics, policy directions or wisdom of the overall project.
It's tucked away and unlinked to at a site called bendrealestatemom.com. And a few more spots as well, as I've found on Google.
Link: http://www.bendrealestatemom.com/Forms/bruckner_article_II%5B1%5D.pdf
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Wiki refers depression to recession, thus their defn is a big-recession. The following is more interesting, and of course contemporary. Homer, according to this we can't have a depression in Bend.
I think we'll have to re-define a depression as a some distant astronomical event. Go tell this to someone in Bend, that can't find work, and has no money.
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The Great Depression of 1929 - Could It Happen Again?
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What Was The Great Depression of 1929: The Great Depression of 1929 was a worldwide depression that lasted for 10 years. Its kickoff in the U.S. economy was “Black Thursday”, October 24, 1929, when 12.9 million shares of stock were sold in one day, triple the normal amount. Share prices fell 15 - 20%, causing a stock market crash.
How Bad Was the Great Depression of 1929?: By 1933, the height of the depression, unemployment had risen from 3% to 25% of the nation’s workforce. Wages for those who still had jobs fell 42%. GDP was cut in half, from $103 to $55 billion. This was partly because of deflation, where prices fell 10% per year. By 1933, world trade plummeted 65% as measured in dollars and 25% in total number of units.
The Depression caused many farmers to lose their farms. At the same time, years of erosion and a drought created the “Dust Bowl” in the Midwest, where no crops could grow. Thousands of these farmers and other unemployed workers traveled to California to find work. Many ended up living as homeless “hobos” or in shantytowns called “Hoovervilles”, named after then-President Herbert Hoover.
What Caused the Great Depression of 1929?: According to Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the stock market crash and the subsequent Depression were actually caused by tight monetary policies that the Federal Reserve instituted at that time.
Bernanke relates several key actions by the Federal Reserve:
* The Fed began raising the Fed Funds rate in the spring of 1928, and kept raising them through a recession that began in August 1929. This led to the stock market crash in October 1929.
* When the stock market crashed, investors turned to the currency markets. At that time, dollars were backed by gold held by the U.S. Government. Speculators began selling dollars for gold in September 1931, which caused a run on the dollar.
* The Fed raised interest rates again to try and preserve the value of the dollar. This further restricted the availability of money for businesses, causing more bankruptcies.
* The Fed did not increase the supply of money to combat deflation.
* As investors withdrew all their dollars from banks, the banks failed, causing more panic. The Fed ignored the banks' plight, thus destroying any remaining consumers’ confidence in banks. Most people withdrew their cash and put it under the mattress, which further decreased the money supply.
Bottom line...thanks to the Fed, there was just not enough money in circulation to get the economy going again. Instead of pumping money into the economy, and increasing the money supply, the Fed allowed the money supply to fall 30%.
What Ended the Great Depression of 1929?: In 1932, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected President based on his promises to create Federal Government programs to end the Great Depression. Within 100 days the “New Deal” was signed into law. This created 42 new agencies designed to create jobs, allow unionization, and provide unemployment insurance. Many of these programs, such as Social Security, the SEC, and FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) are still here today, helping to safeguard the economy.
However, the extent of the Great Depression was so great that government programs alone could not end it. Unemployment remained in the double-digits until 1941, when the U.S. entry into World War II created defense-related jobs.
Could a Great Depression Happen Again?: A Depression on the scale of that in 1929 could not happen exactly the way it did before. Central banks around the world, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, are so much more aware of the importance of monetary policy in regulating the economy.
However, there is only so much monetary policy can do to offset fiscal policy. The incredible size of the U.S. current account deficit, and the national debt, could possibly trigger an economic panic that would be difficult for monetary policy to affect. No one really knows, since the current U.S. debt level is unprecedented.
The current thinking is that a Great Depression could not happen again because the global economy is much more integrated, and all central banks are working together to make sure it doesn’t.
Source: The Federal Reserve Board web site, “Remarks by Governor Ben Bernanke at the H. Parket Willis Lecture in Economic Policy”, March 2, 2004, FDR Library Web Site.
500th ... there ....
While presentations of site plans have been presented by consultants, the city has never openly debated the economics, policy directions or wisdom of the overall project.
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Bruce what does the DEED say, issue #2, "THE ENTIRE FUCKING PROCESS MUST BE PUBLIC".
THE DEED terms have not been met, somebody at COUNTY should buy JR back for $1, because this is CLEAR violation of spirit of a contract of sale.
This is why ALL along I have demanded that you pay attention to the deed.
Look today at Redmond, they're not giving land to Redmond.
County made a big mistake, and Bend made a bigger mistake.
County has every right to take this land back, and sell it to the highest and best user.
RDC,
Now if you read the above report on 'depression'.
You'll see its about jobs.
The GDP is meaningless to a starving man.
This debate is not about the government saving face, but about the pain on the citizenry, and their survival.
Homer has said this a 1,000 times, but I'll say it again, "Until this region figures out how to get good jobs, this region is fucked".
RDC you think that big-box stores will stay open, but if sales in Bend drop over 50% YOY, somebody has to close, and not everyone will throw good money after bad projects for the sake of presence in Bend, OR.
Besides, we only need ONE walmart, one costco, one lowes, ...
Hey, no fair. No artificial boosting of posts...
You hear?
Bruce, This is off "FORBES" just now, watch the numbers carefully, note that FEDERAL aid is needed to keep Bend aloft.
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Ore.: Heavy Snowfalls Stretch Budget
Associated Press 01.31.08, 4:55 PM ET
BEND, Ore. -
Snowflakes are lovely as they float through the air, but they can be budget-busters on the ground.
Lakeview got so much in January that they are running out of places to put it and money to move it.
"We've got intersections that are full, sidewalks that are stacked high," said city manager Ray Simms. The town's removal budget is gone, meaning it will cut back on services such as clearing residents' driveways.
It's a common problem in Oregon this winter, compounded by higher prices for diesel fuel and for magnesium chloride, a commonly used deicing chemical.
Snow is piling up in Baker City, and Michele Owen, the public works director, said the city's $66,000 budget for plowing and buying salt and sand is nearly gone. And it's early.
"So we will be looking at contingency to cover the rest of it because it's starting to snow again," she said.
It's worse in Bend, where the city set aside $280,000 to remove snow on residential streets. But recent budget cuts due to fee permit declines from the housing slump dropped that to $152,000.
Parts of the city got more than 20 inches of snow in January and Bend may be at least $100,000 over budget, said Hardy Hanson, manager of the city streets division.
Bend still plans to call its contract snow removal companies when at least half a foot of snow falls at a time, possibly requiring a dip into the contingency fund.
"We will continue to operate at our standard level even though we may or may not get that money," Hanson said.
Road department directors try to predict before each winter about how much snow might fall and budget for it accordingly. If they underestimate by much, the difference comes out of basic road maintenance projects later.
"That's just less time toward pavement work, ditching, vegetation removal, that sort of thing," said Robert Brandes, public works director for Josephine County, whose annual emergency response budget is also tapped out.
Union County is planning for a possible end of the federal timber payment program this year and has cut back on road staff, losing two managers and three drivers this year.
Unless the program is extended, Union County's road budget will drop 30 percent, said Richard Comstock, public works director.
"What you are going to see with the counties that have reduced crew sizes, they are actually getting less hours of actual plowing on the road," said John Oshel, road program manager for the Association of Oregon Counties. "The result will be some of the roads that would have opened up the first day might now be plowed the second or third day."
Union County has spent an extra $80,000 in overtime, fuel, sand and other expenses so far this year.
Clackamas County's road department has been running its 10 plows and sanders continuously since Sunday. "We are nailing our overtime budget pretty hard though," said road foreman Mark Marchant.
Statewide, the Oregon Department of Transportation has spent about two-thirds of its $21 million winter road maintenance funds, but because of billing cycles, that may not include the last four to six weeks of heavy snow.
Some snow meters near Mount Hood are recording double the average annual snow pack.
If another major storm hits Lakeview, the city will work with Lake County to ask Gov. Ted Kulongoski to declare an emergency to release federal funds, said Simms
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Hey, no fair. No artificial boosting of posts...
January 31, 2008 3:36 PM
Blogger Duncan McGeary said...
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They put something in the water, look above its even fucked Duncan's mind!!!!! Has Duncan taken to drinking before buster???
Hey Duncan,
I thought your blog post calling the game "over" was great, but I still think Bend is hesitant in embracing in the pain. I expect that the inevitable explosion of housing inventory in March will be the fat lady singing.
I expect that the inevitable explosion of housing inventory in March will be the fat lady singing.
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This snow might create 'jobs' if the federal money comes in,...
The way its going the un-employment in Bend should be a lot higher than now.
People are only now looking around for jobs, as most are seeing the hand-writing on the wall already with the slowdown, and asking around.
Unless there is an 'event' the layoff's should start being explicit in a few months.
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Watch Duncan, watch other business owners, see when they layoff their staff,
Re: If they underestimate by much, the difference comes out of basic road maintenance projects later.
We're fucked.
Our Street Operations Fund Contingency was $145,276 on 12/31/07. The Working Capital for this account is a negative amount of ($708,220.
Our Transportation Construction Fund is even worse: Revenues of $437,413, while the budget expected $1,443,148. Yes, you read that right--over 2/3's less than budgeted. Meanwhile expenditures were $4,010,564. And that money has to come from somewhere. Where exactly is not quite clear yet, as the 12/31 budget detail just lists Ending Working Capital as a negative: ($3,573,152)
People, we can not keep fucking ending up in the negative in working capital. It is just that fucking simple. Any fucking idiot knows that, even if he can't read financial statements.
It may be time to try to figure out how to bend over LS/Borgman for a special assessment.
We are getting really close to being really, really fucked.
Except for Les/Borgman of course.
Oh bruce, you're such a downer. So many numbers. So many facts. Everything will be just fine.
The first provides an idea of what was discussed and why it was made secret, while the second could be just about anything. And considering our city attorney doesn't really seem to know the relevant law, I'm sure the press lackey's "overseeing" the Executive Sessions are even more clueless.
I plan to send Mayor Abernethy one last e-mail concerning this BS, and then bust their balls to the Oregon Government Standards and Practices Commission if they don't clean up their act to the bare minimum required by law. I really hate to take that step, but it is really starting to piss me off. Especially as I have brought it up directly more than once.
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Do it Bruce!!! No more talk. No more pissing off all over yourself.
Just get your lawyer to write it up and send it in to Judy Stiegler of the Govt Stds Pracs Comm.
You are exactly correct. They (all public bodies, City Council, School Board, County Commission, etc) have to recite the specific letter subsection, and also recite the wording.
What they are doing is illegal and unethical. Judy can fine them each $1,000. And she can award you your legal costs.
I been there (we won, but we were not as big a violators as Abernothing, we had record keeping issues is all, minutes)... and you be right.
Bruce be right. Now, the question is, is Bruce all TALK, and no action?
Bruce, call Mike Morgan in Sisters. Bruce... Action, no more talk.
Apologies for being childish. No one here EVER is.
FYI,
Bend Residential Sales on less than an acre, stand at 62 Sold with $315,489 Med.
Jan 07 was 135 Sold.
Later Boys
Thanks M!
Damn. 62 sales is pretty damn sad.
And even a $315K median is DOWN HARD.
"“It will be the type of stores that you would find in Aspen, Colorado, or resorts that bring in tourists,” Storton said."
The true idiocy of this quote by Storton illustrates his fundamental misunderstanding of the idea that you can SKI in Aspen... you cannot do SHIT in Sisters, except walk up & down the main drag once, before you blow town out of total boredom.
Storton, ya dumbshit.
Storton fashions himself the Boss Hog of Sisters... where stuff like that just flows out of his mouth, when he really has zero idea about what he is talking about.
Pavement Pete has never met a lot that he couldn't carve up into smaller lots to slap cracker-jack shacks on. He has chopped into smaller than 4,000 sqft lots. My house is bigger than his city lots!!
Aspen is multi mountain skiing; rivaling the Alps, with a Village and ski in-out. Sisters is Hoodoo/Bach via a half hour to an hour drive. Aspen is 5 star restaurants; Sisters is Subway and Sno Cap Drive in. Aspen is all about movie stars, and Sisters has "Pavement Pete" Storton and Bill "Build it and they will come" Willits. Aspen has stores like Tiffanys and Chanel; Sisters has the Dollar Store and the Candy Bin.
Pavement Pete needs to shut his big pie hole. Sisters has enough problems, and doesn't need Storton to further embarass that poor little town.
Do it Bruce!!! No more talk. No more pissing off all over yourself.
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You don't understand, this is why he's our bruce-pussy, he'll be talking about this during the next election cycle after the current boyz & girlz are long gone.
All complaints have a backlash, for instance if you file a complaint, and its not proved, you can be charged with filing a false complaint, thus does anyone have money/time lawyers to help bruce-pussy??
For instance you file a complaint, and they're found not-guilty, very likely you get to pay for their representation,
Do we have any lawyer-cunt that want to help bruce-pussy??
Homer,
If Bend can be Aspen, then anyplace can be Aspen.
Enough Said.
We're fucked.
Our Street Operations Fund Contingency was $145,276 on 12/31/07. The Working Capital for this account is a negative amount of ($708,220.
Yeah, we're screwed. They've stopped plowing the Sno-Parks.
But as long as they keep the road to Bachelor free of even a single snow flake, we'll be fine.
Of course, there's the pesky problem of avalanche-bound Santiam Pass, so only locals & stranded Portlanders can get to Bachelor, and the former are broke & the latter are sick of not being able to get around Bend cuz the streets aren't plowed, cuz we ran outta money, cuz we spent it all on advertising, cuz we thought the good times would last forever, so we dropped SDC charges to nothing, so that the building would never stop, so we doubled down on red, but then we just lost it all... so, yeah, we're screwed.
5,000 homeless. You won't see this in the "Move to Bend" brochures.
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‘It ain’t easy out here’
By Patrick Cliff / The Bulletin
Published: February 01. 2008 4:00AM PST
Jim Gunn sat in the passenger seat of a Ford 250, and pointed the way into what looked like a frozen forest. But Gunn knew that inside the first row of trees sat a homeless camp. Gunn, of Central Oregon Veterans Outreach, was there with Michael Provost, also of COVO, to check on the camp’s residents.
Dozens of volunteers spread out across Central Oregon on Thursday to conduct the One Day Homeless Count. Volunteers in the region went anywhere they knew homeless might spend a cold day.
The Homeless Leadership Council led the count. The results are important for grant applications and affect funding for shelters like Grandma’s House and organizations like NeighborImpact. Last year, volunteers counted 2,010 homeless people in the region, but those who work with the homeless here think the number could be as high as 5,000. Results of the survey won’t be tallied for several weeks.
Finding the homeless, particularly in this harsh winter, was difficult for volunteers.
An army green tent, delivered by COVO, sat less than 100 yards inside the trees. It looked like a scene from the TV show “M*A*S*H,” but blanketed with snow. Joe West, 43, was bent over a small fire pit, trying in vain to light a fire for coffee. Match after match, dampened by the snow, failed.
“It ain’t easy out here,” said West.
About 25 people regularly live at the camp — one of dozens around Bend — but the weather drove the population to about 15. Mostly men, aged between 23 to their early 60s, live in a jumble of lean-tos, broken down RVs and tents.
Jacob Calhoun, 23, lives with his father deeper into the camp. Last year, the younger Calhoun built an elaborate two-room shelter — about 30 feet wide and 9 feet tall — with a network of stout branches and tarps for the roof and walls. Inside, men pitched tents so they would have double cover from the weather.
The Calhouns and their guests gathered around the indoor fire pit to keep warm, but the wet and muddy floor betrayed the coziness.
Hopi Sanderson, 37, was getting ready to visit his uncle in a nearby hospital. As Sanderson put on his backpack, without a coat, Jacob Calhoun worried. “Take my gloves man,” he said. “You need a coat, man. Take this. You take care, you take care.”
Earlier, Sanderson had said, to no one in particular, “Just barely living, just here to work.”
The Calhouns weren’t homeless because they wanted to be. Both were construction workers, but with the slowing housing market they were out of work. They said the weather had halted work completely.
“Don’t want to stay here,” said Kerry Calhoun, 52. “We can’t rent though.”
Motels
Among the key spots for the count were the handful of weekly rate motels around Bend. They become de facto transitional shelters, but without the social services of homeless shelters. At the motel in northeast Bend, two volunteers went door to door asking people to participate.
Near the end of the 29 rooms, John Alanis, 58, opened the door just enough to show his face, but not enough to show his room. He answered questions and took a bag of food — soup, chili, beans, noodles and water — that volunteers gave to people whether or not they took part.
Alanis was staying at the motel after he was injured at work and lost his job, then his apartment, he said.
Dressed in sweat pants and a T-shirt, he spoke quietly. His voice sounded tired, but his face still looked young.
“There’s no help,” he said. “Day after tomorrow, is my last here. I’ve got nowhere to go.”
He pointed to his green van, parked just outside his door. He wasn’t prepared to sleep through the cold night in the van.
“I’m OK now,” he said. “But you get hypothermia, that’s it, you’re dead.”
Moments later, the motel’s manager drove volunteers away screaming. “No people are hungry here.”
But every person took the bag of food.
Kitchen
Denise Revard, 51, ate dinner at the Family Kitchen at Trinity Episcopal Church in Bend on Thursday night. After she finished, she would leave to sleep in her van.
She parks her van in the same spot every night and insulates the windows with blankets and towels. She said she also uses a small space heater. Because of her medical problems, she can only work part time at her minimum-wage job at a deli.
“You can’t live on that,” she said. “You certainly can’t get off the streets.”
Revard remembers the night in late December 2006 when she spent her first night homeless. She lost her apartment just after Christmas, and she didn’t know what to do on the streets.
“It was so frightening,” she said. “I was always a middle-class woman. I was so afraid and couldn’t keep pictures of horrible things happening out of my head.”
Since that first night, Revard has found a community of homeless people. They support each other, said Revard, and rely on the few soup kitchens and shelters in the area for more help. But she spoke bitterly about how people look at the homeless.
“People think we’re just a bunch of bums who want money for nothing, but we’re not. We want to work, want to get our feet on the ground,” she said. “A lot of people don’t want to see us, they want to push us aside.”
Big Bulletin article (biz section) on foreclosures. Says no one bothers to show up to bid and the banks get them back to sell in a glutted market.
Big article (front) on snow. 20" in Bend since Sunday. Avalanche danger near sisters.
Can someone tell me what this listing is?
It's 61999 Broken Top Dr (sound familiar?), I looked it up on www.deschutes.org, it's owned in various parts by one Cate Cushman, the Broken Top Homeoweners Association, and Cushman & Tebbs.
I'm sure it's worth every penny of the $500/sf or so they're asking.
Cate is asking $575/sf.
Says no one bothers to show up to bid and the banks get them back to sell in a glutted market.
Come now Timmy. If you read closely, you'll find a plethora of ways to almost certainly avoid foreclosure. You just call your loving banker, and they'll cut off their own right arm before they insist that you actually pay ANYTHING.
These foreclosures on the courthouse steps are a simple case of lazy owners. JUST CALL, and you too can absolutely, 1,000,000% avoid any lien or foreclosure action on your home... even when you're 12 months behind!
My God, this piece sounded like a credit-clean up scam. Good job Bulletin.
National today, un-employment UP, surprise, we're so surprised.
MS to buy YAHOO for $44B, is this BS, YAHOO? This is the stupidest buy since ebay bought skype.
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from The Wall Street Journal
Feb. 1, 2008
U.S. employment unexpectedly tumbled last month for the first time in more than four years, fueling worries that the U.S. economy, which already limped into 2008, might soften further or even slip into recession in coming months. Nonfarm payrolls fell 17,000 in January, the Labor Department said Friday, the first drop since August 2003, when payrolls slid 42,000. Gains in services like health care, retail trade and leisure offset declines in other sectors including manufacturing, construction, financial services and government. The unemployment rate fell, as expected, to 4.9% from 5%.
Homer,
I hope you note the above that in Forbes the Bend snow problem was national news. They also mention the fact that Bend is out of money.
The golfing, oh my also national story, Bend area has so many golf courses, that nobody is using.
They're now welcoming anyone.
Nothing exclusive about Golfing in Bend.
MS to buy YAHOO for $44B, is this BS, YAHOO? This is the stupidest buy since ebay bought skype.
Investors certainly haven't Gone Wild over this deal. MSFT has dropped 6%, YHOO up 44%. Thing is, MSFT has a $290BB market value, and 5% is about $15BB, while YHOO is up to $37BB, or up $13BB, for a net loss of a few Bill's.
5,000 homeless. You won't see this in the "Move to Bend" brochures.
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5,000 that's damn close to 10% of the real population ( when you discount part-timers ).
Guess what its going to double, ...20-30% of Bend could be homeless in two years.
You might see squatting, shall I tell the story. Whenever you have massive homelessness, and massive empty homes, its quite natural for these street-people to occupy the homes. Trouble is getting them out.
In the UK after WWII it has been legal to 'squat', e.g. occupy an empty home/apt.
If you start see squatting Bend, then the crap-shacks going to go down 90%.
At best Bend will be -50%, but if homeless are wondering everywhere, and breaking into empty homes, then -90%.
City will try once again to ban panhandling in the spring, add tools to make homelessness 'un-comfortable'.
There is NO solution, as I have said, almost all construction people I know are out of work, and waiting for a job.
The homeless need a leader.
Gather and march on Bend City-Hall and make demands.
You can't spend all of your time in a gated community.
It's NOW full on 2008 DEPRESSION, but remember, it really peaked in 2005, and started falling in 2006.
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10 reasons why things will get ugly in 2008
DAN VOELPEL; THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: January 4th, 2008 01:00 AM
Want to know why 2008 will become the Year to Forget? I’ll give you 10 reasons from a pessimist’s perspective.
1. HOUSING PRICES
No need to chronicle, in detail, how falling home prices, fewer home sales and consumer mortgage loan defaults in 2007 have inspired some economists to talk about a potential national recession in 2008.
Recession or not, we haven’t seen the worst in the housing market. Standard & Poor’s predicts home prices will fall 11 percent more this year.
According to the recently released Pierce County Economic Index Report, the last time the local housing market saw activity this low occurred in 2003 as we pulled out of the last recession. And the housing market here will worsen at least through October.
2. OIL PRICES
Oil surged to more than $100 a barrel this week – with some analysts predicting a peak price this year between $120 and $150 a barrel.
Much of our lives revolve around oil-dependent products. Much of what we can afford to buy depends on how much money the cost of gasoline steals from our disposable incomes. We could see a gallon of gasoline around $4.50.
Do you want to travel this year? Plan on ticket shock. I scouted roundtrip tickets on Alaska Airlines to Disneyworld for spring break. At $803.50 per person, we can’t afford to go.
3. DOLLAR
Plenty of us remember when you could visit Vancouver, B.C., and the U.S. dollar equaled about $1.25 in Canadian money. Not any more. The value of the U.S. dollar has dropped so low, it just about equals a Canadian dollar today.
Around the world, our dollar won’t buy us as much as it once did. So we pay more for imported goods – and we import most of what we buy these days, from high-tech electronics to food.
And that vacation to Europe? Fuggetaboutit. It will cost you more to go. The 13 countries that do business in euros likely will see their currency hit a lifetime high this year against our unalmighty dollar.
4. PORT OF TACOMA
Our economic engine has shifted into reverse. As 2007 started, the port economists predicted container business would grow a modest 3 percent to 5 percent. In reality, that business fell 5.2 percent – a 10 percent swing. More than a little bit off.
Now, the port thinks its container business will grow 4.6 percent this year. Do you believe it? Especially given the falling U.S. dollar, which erodes our ability to buy more imported stuff?
Even if the container business grows as much as the port predicts, it will still fall below 2006 levels.
5. PERSONAL INCOME
Maybe all this bad economic news wouldn’t seem so bad if our employers raised our pay a bunch. Unfortunately, growth in our personal incomes in Pierce County fell below historic averages in 2007 – and will do so again in 2008, according to the PCEI Report.
6. ELECTION YEAR UNCERTAINTY
Last month, Morgan-Stanley, the Wall Street investment bank, became the first to predict a recession in 2008. Why? In part, the bank said, because the already-faltering economy breeds uncertainty, and uncertainty “is the enemy of growth.”
What else creates uncertainty? How about this question: “Who will become the next leader of the free world when Americans vote for a president in November?”
Can you tell me today what effect he or she will have on the economy?
7. END OF A MICROSOFT ERA
Bill Gates, the co-founder of Microsoft, will end his day-to-day involvement in the company this summer. Gates has shepherded Microsoft from risky startup to world commercial power – and one of our region’s most influential and profitable economic drivers. Can you imagine the company being better off without him? I can’t.
Daryl Nanes, principal at Nanes Delorme Capital Management, told BBC News: “I don’t think Gates stepping away from his day-to-day responsibilities at Microsoft will be negative for the rest of the market. But Microsoft shareholders are assumed to have some jitters about the ambiguity regarding the future leadership of the company that Gates founded and ran for over 20 years.”
8. SLOWING CONSTRUCTION
Nationally, Morgan-Stanely’s 2008 forecast predicts home builders will “slash single-family housing starts by 40 percent from current levels to eliminate the inventory of unsold homes. As a result, we think overall housing starts will run below one million units in each of the next two years – a level not seen in the history of the modern data since 1959.”
The Tacoma area already has seen planned condominium projects delayed or scrapped altogether. So what about new investments in the county commercial and industrial markets?
With port business down, don’t expect significant construction of additional warehouse space, according to the PCEI Report.
9. BAD BOOMERS
In 2007, the first baby boomer signed up to receive Social Security retirement benefits. That’s more than a milestone, says Bill Morton, demographer and principal of Second Half Strategies, a Bellevue consulting firm.
“The gloomy part comes with the realization that we have this tsunami of baby boomers that’s so much larger than the Silent Generation that came before – 30 million versus 77 million (boomers),” Morton said.
“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Will our social safety net be large enough to help all the boomers when they’re no longer able to help themselves?’”
No, partly because boomers generally have lived hedonistic, spend-happy lives and “are notoriously terrible savers,” Morton said.
He cited a prediction by the U.S. General Accounting Office that Medicare will go bankrupt within 10 years.
Worse, as the 70 million boomers leave the work force between 2005 and 2028, only 40 million Americans will come along to replace them – and pay into the Social Security fund that boomers will draw on to survive.
10. RETAIL SALES
If the dollar isn’t worth as much, if imported goods cost more, if home values decline so we can’t refinance to pull spending money out of our home’s equity, if our salaries haven’t grown much, if baby boomers haven’t stockpiled much savings, how can anyone expect we’ll have money to burn in 2008?
Last year in Pierce County, retail sales fell to their lowest level since 2002 and far below predictions, according to the PCEI Report. This year retail sales will do just slightly better in real dollars spent.
But if our wimpy dollar won’t buy us as much stuff, how can you call that better?
Dan Voelpel: 253-597-8785
dan.voelpel@thenewstribune.com
Looking ahead to 2008? University of Oregon faculty are, and they’ve come up with a list of predictions. Among these “educated guesses” –
*Drug testing will take center stage at the Olympics
*Violent crime will escalate
*Gas prices will remain above $2.50 a gallon
*Water – or the lack of it – will have a bigger impact on the average American
*Baby boomers will seek respect by moving to Asia
Here's 22 predictions, and actually with some tips, which is unusual.
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22 Startling Predictions for 2008 and Beyond
January 31, 2008
By Michael Masterson
January is a time to look ahead and make predictions.
As I look ahead, I can see one major trend. And it´s one that will have repercussions for the economy as a whole. That trend involves baby boomers. Boomers have been a major factor in consumer spending, saving, and investing for 50 years. So it´s likely they will continue to be. In fact, they will probably affect the economy for the rest of their lives - for the next 20 to 25 years.
If you accept this premise, the following 22 predictions may make sense to you:
1. Baby boomers will get poorer this year. They lost half of their retirement nest egg when the tech bubble exploded. And they have been losing much of the rest of it as real estate prices come down. This will continue in 2008. Credit will be harder to come by. Banks will get tougher with loans. And the many businesses that took stock in the real estate boom will continue to implode.
2. Scared by their shrinking wealth, some boomers will make one final, frenzied attempt to "get back" the wealth they never really had. They´ll scrape together their last dollars. They´ll borrow money. And they´ll use it to make high-risk, leveraged financial investments in such things as currencies and commodities. The greediest sectors of the financial services industry will benefit, temporarily, from this short-term trend. Later, they will suffer from it as their customers disappear.
3. As 2008 ends, boomers' speculative investments will fail to rescue them. So they will grudgingly accept the fact that they will never be as wealthy as they wanted to be. They will feel defeated, and they won´t have the energy to start anew. As a result, they will drastically decrease their discretionary spending.
4. Following the boomers' lead, consumer spending in general will slow down. The Fed will do what it can, but it won´t be enough. Lower credit rates won´t be enough to stimulate the economy. Growth will slow. Businesses will continue to go bankrupt at record rates.
5. With decreasing revenues on one side and increasing fixed costs (related to real estate) on the other, retail will be especially hard hit. Many, if not most, medium-sized retail businesses that exist today will be defunct within 10 years.
6. On the bright side, Internet spending will continue to grow. But the growth will be much slower than in the past. Lots of opportunities will allow people to make money by marketing products and services on the Internet. But many of those who are in business today will go bankrupt as the market becomes more competitive.
7. Estate homes and multimillion-dollar condominiums will tumble in value, even below current prices. Many will be left vacant. It will take at least seven years for many of the properties that have been built in the past two years to be occupied. Investors in these properties will be wiped out.
8. More than 80 percent of the existing real estate development industry will go bankrupt.
9. Following real estate development will be the larger part of the banking and financial services industry. Thousands of young investment bankers and hedge fund managers will be out of work. This could happen as early as the middle of next year.
10. As the U.S. economy slides into a protracted recession, baby boomers will recognize that they are poorer than their parents were when their parents were in their early sixties. Without the appreciation of a house to cash in on, they will give up their long-held dreams of retiring comfortable at 65.
11. Luxury will be uncool. Understated elegance will be in.
12. The campaign against conspicuous consumption will accelerate. Twelve-cylinder cars will be ridiculed and possibly outlawed entirely.
13. Hippie values will return. Peace and love and blue jeans will prevail… simply because baby boomers won´t be able to afford to indulge themselves materialistically as they have been doing for 40 years.
14. Technology and the baby boomers' shrinking wealth will favor products that are simple and small.
15. The wristwatch will begin a 20-year disappearing act.
16. Yoga, meditation, and Pilates will continue to increase in popularity. Aerobics, weight training, and kickboxing will diminish.
17. Yachts, luxury automobiles, and Learjets will stand in warehouses, unused.
18. Migration to the Sun Belt will slow because of hurricanes and high prices. Local Sun Belt municipalities will be forced to lower taxes. Services will decline.
19. Technical jobs will continue to be outsourced to India and Latin America. And in the U.S., boomers will start to agree to work phones and read X-rays for minimum wage.
20. The information-publishing industry - particularly the specialized information-publishing industry - will continue to grow, outpacing the general economy. Entrepreneurs who understand the difference between information, advice, and opinion will make fortunes.
21. Direct marketing will continue to grow as general advertising declines. Businesses that are unskilled at direct marketing will have a tough time staying competitive. Many will fail.
22. Boomers will "decide" to continue working during their retirement years. But many of them - lacking the skills to contribute to the Internet, information-publishing, or direct-marketing industries - will go unemployed.
Those are my predictions for 2008. But what good are such predictions? Can they make you any money?
I don´t know. I do know a few things about investing in trends, though. Lessons I´ve learned from a lifetime of starting all sorts of businesses. For example:
You can make the biggest money on a new trend that emerges quickly and grows strongly… if you get in early.
It´s difficult to predict new trends with precision. You can sometimes see that a certain change is inevitable, but it is often difficult to know when it will happen. Usually, it happens later than you expect.
For any given day or week or month, chances are good - some studies say 70 percent - that things will remain the same the following day or week or month. That´s why it doesn´t usually pay to play trends in the stock market. Unless, that is, you know what you´re doing or are getting good advice from someone who does.
The sensible way to invest in trends is to buy into good businesses that provide neutral or positive cash flow. That gives you a Plan B. You can sit out short-term fluctuations while you wait for the long-term trend to take hold.
Sometimes even medium- and shorter-term trends are more obvious. This is especially true on the downside. Such is the case with the baby boomer driven economy today.
Emmett, a friend and business partner in real estate development, doesn´t like it when I speak negatively about the future of the economy, and real estate in particular. He feels like I am being disloyal to the businesses he is running. He would rather have me encourage him to go full steam ahead. He seems to feel that if I were more positive, things would get better.
"I hope you´re right," I tell him. "But no amount of hoping is going to make the U.S. debt go away. And no amount of positive thinking will get people to buy property if they don´t have any money and can´t get credit."
"Anything you can conceive, you can achieve," he tells me.
"So long as you achieve it before you go broke," I reply.
>>Come now Timmy. If you read closely, you'll find a plethora of ways to almost certainly avoid foreclosure.
Yeah, the Bulletin always has to put a spin on the story to make it sound proactive. This is how they communicate the fact that we're fucked in a cheerful, helpful way.
Voelpel is right, but he doesn't touch on the underlying reason why this recession will be far worse and more prolonged than a normal downturn in the business cycle: The American middle class has been gutted by 30 years of globalization, union-busting, borrow-and-spend policies and voodoo-doodoo dribble-down economics. We are headed for a second Great Depression and things will get very ugly indeed, as right-wingers in their usual fashion will try to blame it all on "those durn Mexicans" instead of on their own crackbrained policies.
No, partly because boomers generally have lived hedonistic, spend-happy lives and “are notoriously terrible savers,” Morton said.
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I posted this above, because back in the 70's when we had a bust like this Seattle took it hard. Yes, Boomers, and there are NO worse fucking self centered HEDONISTIC Boomer's than Bend Oregon.
Where the fuck do you think that the Millions each year of DVA/VCB PR go ?? Wine in tents all summer at Drake Park, and at Les Schwab Amp. Bend has become hedonism. City-Hall is hedonism, they came in, they got elected because of endless party's paid for by developers.
Even this past fall the two biggest party's of the year one at Broken-Top, the other high desert museum. Gluttony all with taxpayer money, and heloc's.
It's one thing for boomers in Bend to destroy their own lives, but someone MUST ASAP get off their ass and terminate spending at Bend City hall, otherwise we're all going to be busted-boomers.
The people currently running Bend think that all problems can be solved with PR, trouble is ALL PR in Bend has been WINE&BULLSHIT. That may get you to the next day, but only closer to the cliff.
Our 'electables' will move one, will chamber-of-commerce, please get off their ass and demand a non-essential spending freeze.
A business partner in real estate development, doesn´t like it when I speak negatively about the future of the economy, and real estate in particular. He feels like I am being disloyal to the businesses he is running. He would rather have me encourage him to go full steam ahead. He seems to feel that if I were more positive, things would get better.
"I hope you´re right," I tell him. "But no amount of hoping is going to make the U.S. debt go away. And no amount of positive thinking will get people to buy property if they don´t have any money and can´t get credit."
"Anything you can conceive, you can achieve," he tells me.
"So long as you achieve it before you go broke," I reply.
Nothing exclusive about Golfing in Bend.
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I cannot stress the above enough. Exclusivity is how Bend was sold, especially the GOOF course subdivisions 24+12 to date.
Now that ALL Goof courses are embracing 'rodney dangerfield' they're fucked.
Even pronghorn is dropping requirments.
The complete fucking implosion of 'GOOFING' is near.
Why, because GOOF courses ONLY exist to sell crap-shacks, which are no longer selling, thus GOOF courses have no purpose, and of course NOBODY is using them, any ideas? They only mow the lawns to make the greens pretty to sell homes.
During ALL depressions the big developments, and the big houses cost more to maintain, than they worth, because they collapse the hardest in value,...
The end is here for ALL of Bend's monster Resort GOOF Courses.
We are headed for a second Great Depression and things will get very ugly indeed, as right-wingers in their usual fashion will try to blame it all on "those durn Mexicans" instead of on their own crackbrained policies. - dart
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Wow dart your even starting to sound like us, this is getting too weird.
Keep up the good posts.
"I hope you´re right," I tell him. "But no amount of hoping is going to make the U.S. debt go away. And no amount of positive thinking will get people to buy property if they don´t have any money and can´t get credit."
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This is such an old argument we have had here, but here we established press saying what I have been saying forever here.
Once the RE drop's to NIL, it don't matter how good your credit is, nobody is going to loan you money on Bend, Oregon.
Those that intend to buy, on the low, better be sitting on a ton of cash.
Comment: I have NO intention of buying, I already own TOO much fucking Real Estate. The good news is its paid for. The bad news is its not liquid.
Right-wingers in their usual fashion will try to blame it all on "those durn Mexicans" instead of on their own crackbrained policies.
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The mexicans had been here longer than white-bread, agreed this is not the problem.
Go back to ronny raygun, in 1980, WALMART was the stock to own, a real Microsoft. Sam Walton started 100% made in USA, and one AM, it all was made in CHINA.
No manufacturing that's ok, we'll build houses, now its 2008, we have an empire of debt, a surplus of homes, and a destitute populace.
Mexico might be looking good to lots of Boomer's, head south, I hope the mexicans put up a wall to keep the gringo boomers out.
I'm sure Rush Limbaugh can blame Clinton, but the fact is Clinton was the best Republican, the Republicans ever had. Nobody could have gotten NAFTA & GATT passed, except Clinton. Hilly-Pooh is to the right of Dick Cheney.
Sounds like Ralph Nader is going to be running again, Obama may be "Anybody But Clinton", but he's still part of the problem, and not the solution. Not that Nader will win, but at least he'll focus the debate on the fact that Dem's & Repub's fucked the country.
Let's think about Bend, Remember the movie "Animal House", when things got tough, what did they do?? PARTY
Look at Bend, things get tough "PR".
Bend has problem "PR"
Trouble is in Bend, PR is a Party!
Spend taxpayer money on PR, means Bend Film Festival, which means endless party's at taxpayer expense, and same for all events in Bend.
The city-hall running Bend is "animal house", the trouble is where is the money for the booze coming from?? Who pays when the party is over?
Bend's VCB/DVA spends taxpayer money on Public Relations & Marketing, but at the end of the day all events become partys. Private partys in tents at Drake Park all summer long.
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Somebody post the above question on the Source as letter to editor. They banned me long ago, like I have been banned from BENDBB.
Bend is "animal house", and its going to get ugly, expect even more taxpayer funded party's than normal.
Bruce, What the HELL do you think the "RETREAT" is all about, PARTY,... PARTY that why people run for office in Bend, so they can drink on somebody elses nickel.
>>The American middle class has been gutted by 30 years of globalization...
Meh. People got exactly what they wanted. Two generations have decided that all they really care about is buying crap. And they didn't need much encouragement to buy the crap before they had even saved the money up to buy it.
People are absolute idiots with money. And if everyone else is spending rather than saving, the idea is that you'd be a sucker to save.
Go ahead and blame our "leaders," but they were just doing what we wanted them to do. Make it OK for us to be idiots.
Exxon, Chevron Profits Top Estimates After Oil Surgess
Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp., the two biggest U.S. oil companies, reported gains in fourth- quarter earnings after record crude prices more than made up for declining output.
Net income at Irving, Texas-based Exxon Mobil climbed 14 percent to $11.7 billion, or $2.13 a share, the company said today in a statement. San Ramon, California-based Chevron said its profit rose 29 percent to $4.88 billion, or $2.32 a share.
Both companies set all-time highs for full-year profit, and Exxon Mobil broke its own record for net income by any U.S. corporation, at $40.6 billion. The companies also topped analyst earnings estimates, which were tempered by contracts that give oil-rich nations bigger shares of output as crude prices rise.
``The story all over oil land is one of declining production that has been more than offset by record oil prices,'' said Robbert Van Batenburg, head of research at Louis Capital Markets in New York.
The three biggest U.S. oil companies netted almost $10 million an hour combined in the fourth quarter. Houston-based ConocoPhillips, the No. 3 U.S. producer, last week said its profit climbed by 37 percent to $4.37 billion.
"Anything you can conceive, you can achieve," he tells me.
I can conceive of myself winning the US Open men's singles, but it ain't a-gonna happen. Do you think Americans will ever abandon this infantile, pathological brand of "optimism"? Some say it's what makes the country great, but I suspect it creates more problems than it fixes.
Quiet day, we're not going to make 500, if Homer posts a new thread for tomorrow.
Let's see the highlights today? Brucey changes subject to those nasty oil company's,
dart quotes norman vincent peale ... dale carnegie, and I agree dart, but boy I like those "think and grow rich" books when I was a good, "How to win friends and influence people", hell I was raised on that shit, and look at my friends and influence!
Timmy reminds us that "we have met the enemy and he is us",
Hell luv guv schwartzy down in cali has written many you can do anything books, probably how he got to be love guv, but all his slogans, still no health care, they just gave up, why?? cuz their broke, never let the need of money come in the way of promises and wishful thinking,
This is the why the city of bend can keep spending forever, cuz bend is special, bend will recover, bend is exceptional, there's a rich man coming to bend soon on a silver horse, and he's loaded with gold, ... just keep thinking good thoughts, ..
It's quiet all right. Everyone is out shoveling! Welcome to Central Oregon. Let it keep falling and push 'em Southward.
Just got back from a "Medical Device Manufacturing" tradeshow in Anaheim. I work for a SoCal company and was working a booth for my company. Low and behold I was approached by a character who represented the "Economic Development for Central Oregon". He didn't know I lived in Bend. I heard his pitch on how Bend is an economically vibrant community. I quized him on what was so great. He told me all about Juniper Ridge and how solid the city government is. I asked him if he was getting any interested parties. He said "not yet". I finally told him I lived in Bend and how fucked up I think the local officals are. He didn't disagree.
FUCK YOU WITH 'HOMERS IDENTITY' WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS IDEAS, NOT PERSONALITIES. PATHETIC REALTORS, JUST DON'T GET IT.
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Who is the hypocrite who wrote this?? You guys are all about the personalities:
- Bruce is the pussy
- the other Bruce is the earnest numbers man
- Duncan is the long-suffering local business man
- Buster is the cranky historian
- Timmy is the green-man with a heart of gold
- Paul D is the boy-genius spouting RE and other truths that people can't handle
Did I forget any other regulars?
The only other question is who is going to play ya all in the movie based on Paul D's book about the Bend boom-bust.
From the CENTRAL OREGON REAL ESTATE BLOG: "Buyer’s listen up - have you noticed all the negative print and media ads about how tough the real estate market is? Don’t you find it unusual that when the prices of Central Oregon Homes were skyrocketing, homes for sale were getting multiple offers and so on everyone thought real estate was booming?
They have you scared; they have you thinking this is the wrong time to buy. What is so wrong with buying today versus buying a year or two ago? A year ago interest rates were low but prices were high and inventory of homes to buy was lower than it is now. Many of you had to offer higher than list price to even have a chance at an accepted offer."
So, if I understand the argument correctly.
Listen up, stupid. You were willing to buy last year when prices were outrageously overpriced, so why won't you buy now? Catch a falling knife for me! Stupid!
Of course, last year we didn't actually know yet that prices would drop (though lots of us suspected.)
Now we KNOW prices are dropping. So they want us to be stupid at the top, stupid on the way down.
I will challenge any real estate agent out there to explain to me why a buyer shouldn't just check the Bend Bulletin Board every week and wait until the prices start to stabilize?
What I'm trying to say is: you don't have to try to predict the future, you don't have to listen to the negative blogs, you can simply watch what prices are ACTUALLY doing, on a week to week basis.
You may not catch the exact bottom, but it seems you could pick a percentage where prices start to rise -- say, in 10% of the listing, or 25%.
Other than interest rates going up, which doesn't look likely, you've got nothing to lose but probably years of mortgage payments, and nothing to gain but lower payments, and you won't have to risk the house you just bought dropping out from under you.
Mikey likey lower rates. I'm gonna refi for 10 years at 4.6, knock 5 years and 1% off my existing loan and laugh all the way at the bank!!! The way things are going I just may go for the 5 year fix and kill my mortgage even faster! Yeee hawww!!
You got it right, Duncan. Prices will go down hard. When they will come up again, it will be s l o w l y. People got used to rapid appreciation rather than glacial climbing. That's why they are so freaked. If you miss the bottom, better to catch the right hand ascending part of the curve.
Buster's concern that loans will be scarce is something to worry about, but anyone who thinks they should buy now isn't thinking like that.
Duncan,
Can you give me the url of the CORE blog?
I hear that there is a coalition of sorts with RE and builder types to put out a new blitz of media ads hyping that "It's time to buy"
I can only speak for myself. It's not time to buy.
Got a call from a potential buyer in Colo. today and told her to rent for a while. Opps just squashed a potential sale, again.
I found it on Bendblogs.
Someone really needs to dig into this proliferation of real estate blogs. They are fodder for material, if you got the fortitude to read them.
I get about a paragraph in, and my eyes glaze over at the cheery cluelessness of it all.
CORE blog...
Liar Liar pants on fire. The blitz is beginning.
"The best buyers market in 20 years".
I give.
Here you all go on the CO Real Estate Blog question:
http://www.centraloregonbuzz.com/blog/prices-will-go-up-the-question-is-when
It's written by Thesa Chambers, a Realtor/Broker in LaPine.
Right up Dunc's alley!
"Buyer’s this truly is the BEST BUYER’S MARKET IN 20 YEARS! Some of you are sitting back arguing this point with me… but think about this as a BUYER - interest rates are low, there are many loan options, inventory is high and sellers are motivated."
There are more posts to the bottom right.
Ya know, I bet sellers will be even more motivated in 12 months or so....
Best Buyers market in 20?
Yeah 20 years ago I could buy 60 acres and a 2000 sf house for 220k and at 8% int. That was a buyers market. Or how about the 1/2 acre lot 1500 sf for 50k. We will never see that again or will we?
Heavy Snow Warning!
You know how I feel about snow boys! They'll be trapped in NWXC UNABLE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES because of the accident backups of moron SUV drivers. Heating bills are also going to hurt these next few months.....sigh
- Bruce is the pussy
- the other Bruce is the earnest numbers man
- Duncan is the long-suffering local business man
- Buster is the cranky historian
- Timmy is the green-man with a heart of gold
- Paul D is the boy-genius spouting RE and other truths that people can't handle
Did I forget any other regulars?
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Ok, you made me laugh, you win.
- Bruce is the pussy
- the other Bruce is the earnest numbers man
[ two bruces now? ]
- Duncan is the long-suffering local business man
[ philosopher ]
- Buster is the cranky historian
[ town drunk ]
- Timmy is the green-man with a heart of gold
[ the only 'green' here is bruce ]
- Paul D is the boy-genius spouting RE and other truths that people can't handle
[ boy-geniass sounds like dumbya ]
Meanwhile, I got a second-hand report that nearly no nothing not at all new commercial building permits were taken out last month.
So the commercial bubble I've been talking about may have popped as well.
So, whatever is in the pipeline -- maybe a years worth?
-duncan
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I think the above is the most interesting story today.
Duncans rumor, but most likely true, that they have finally pulled the plug on COMM-REIT in Bend, this means that soon there will be almost no building, except that tiny bit of custom done by real rich, of which there is far and few.
COMM-REIT in Bend is dead, about time. I have been saying for almost a year now that having Bend on your COMM-REIT portfolio is the kiss of death, with CACB having almost 50% failure on loans, even the REIT's must be looking pretty fucking dumb.
Now let's see if we can fill what they built in the next five years, with all kinds of salons and boutiques.
LES SCHWAB TIRE CENTERS
Only one firm has signed up to locate in the 500 acre industrial park that was annexed 2½ years ago. That firm is Les Schwab. The city agreed to sell the land at approximately half the market rate and exempt Schwab from any restrictive covenants, master plan requirements, and future local improvement district costs that may be imposed on the development.
Two of the conditions agreed to by the city and county in 2003 regarding the Juniper Ridge project are that the property be master planned before any development occur and that no building permit be issued before a final subdivision plat has been approved. Under terms of this agreement the city cannot sell the property to Schwab or issue building permits at this time. This is another procedural misstep that makes one question their ability to manage a substantial project.
Similarities Between 2008 and 1929
* In the 20's, there was a massive overexpansion of manufacturing capacity. Today there is a massive overexpansion of productive capacity in China and a massive overexpansion of retail stores in the US.
* In the late 1920s, bank credit propelled a massive real estate boom in New York City, in Florida, and throughout the country. We now have the biggest housing bubble in history.
* In late 20’s credit was expanding at a rapid pace but there was no need for additional productive capacity. Today GDP is rapidly falling but credit is still rising (for now).
* In 1929 there was no pent up demand for manufactured goods, especially autos. Today there is no pent up demand for homes, restaurants, retail stores, strip malls, autos, trucks, or anything else.
In 2008 as in 1929, the ability and willingness of consumers to borrow and banks to lend is under attack not only in the US but Europe as well.
Today there is a massive overexpansion of productive capacity in China and a massive overexpansion of retail stores in the US.
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massive overexpansion of retail stores in Bend-Oregon.
Today there is no pent up demand for homes, restaurants, retail stores, strip malls, autos, trucks, or anything else.
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Strip-Malls, restaurants, retail-stores; You can never have enough in Bend, an exceptional place, an exclusive place, where even the home-less are rich.
In Bend, they say build and they will come, well they came to Bend, and now they're not leaving.
Bend is the great dust-bowl, they came here for the RE gold rush, probably is nothing grows here, nothing to eat, hunting areas have been shutdown, rednecks eliminated. Now Bend is only parasites, without a host.
Where will they go? Even leaving Bend requires money.
WHO IS GOING TO FIX BEND.
1.) old-timers
2.) RE-HO's, and their ilk
3.) Newbies
4.) courts
5.) Bend will be fucked for a long time
Does anybody give a fuck? Who will be the last to leave?
Homer, Here's your second chance to bail-out Pollock.
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Buena Vista To Hold Second Auction
Front Porch is reporting:
I just caught a voice mail from Roger Pollock that he left over the weekend. Here's what he said: "We're probably going to have another auction in a month." More to come ...
It's really a guessing game as to how successful the previous auction was, I wonder if he's expecting a different result this time or maybe he lowered his expectations.
PDX to market the sub 500 sq-ft Condo's, the shrinking Condo is coming to Bend. Affordable housing for chipmunks and deer-mice. HOA's only 60% of cost of ownership.
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Portland's condo market is ailing, yet developer Mark Edlen just started his seventh condo tower since 2004.
Crazy? Gutsy?
Depends whom you ask.
Edlen sees an untapped market for his 16-story Cyan, where a sales office opened this week.
The pitch goes something like this:
If you've been priced out of the condo life in the Pearl District, come live in a new downtown building that offers smaller, more affordable condos but the same easy access to the arts, parks, MAX and groceries.
The Cyan will be Portland's first large-scale condo tower to lean so heavily on the market for small, European-sized living spaces.
"We think every city has a challenge," Edlen says. "How do you house people who don't make $150,000 a year?"
Most of the condos in the towers that rose in Portland's recent craze went for $400,000 or more, pricey in a region where the median home still sells below $300,000.
In contrast, the Cyan starts at $213,000 for 541 square feet -- teensy by U.S. standards.
Cheap crap comes to mind when I think of European style, see IKEA. The good news; it will only set you back $400 sq ft. Just like the rest of the condos in this town.
Paul Helikson stepped into the swirling snow on the steps of the Deschutes County Courthouse on a Thursday morning just before Christmas and barked out the legal singsong that brought an all-too-familiar end to a homeowner’s dreams.
Another day, another foreclosure auction.
As is usually the case, nobody raised a hand to bid on the little north Bend house, where the owner owed the bank more than $12,000 in unpaid mortgage payments. In fact, as is often the case, no potential bidders showed up at all.
So the house went back to the lender to join the county’s growing ranks of bank-owned houses for sale.
Helikson, a legal process server, works with most of the trustee companies that handle foreclosure operations in Central Oregon for the country’s major lenders, and business has been booming. The frequency of his legally scripted courthouse-steps auctions has gone from one every few days to about 15 a week as the real estate market has worsened, Helikson said. Still, it’s something that no one connected with the process enjoys.
“What’s worse than losing your house?” Helikson said. “Especially at this time of year.”
Bend sucks.
I lived there twenty years ago when it was still a nice town, now its simply a Martha Stewart-ized, expat-California-I-need-to-escape overcrowed city.
Yuk! It is a wonder that any one DESIRES to live there.
>> WHO IS GOING TO FIX BEND.
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What about the option of attrition and the natural forces of the market (ie. mass migration Southward towards jobs)? This would leave a large void and a ghost town of sorts.
The remaining would get together and bulldoze the "war" housing tracts...
Sacramento north, anyone?
Orange County with snow?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Happy Hummin'.
Nothing but good things to say about Bend.
I also lived in Bend 16 years ago.
Was a nice place then, but when the economy takes a dive, Bend is the first in and the last out.
I'm afraid this dive will take a lot of business down with it. When the national forecasters saw Bend as the number 1 most overpriced market in the US, I'm afraid they where right.
Pop goes the bubble.
The remaining would get together and bulldoze the "war" housing tracts...
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Time, and then bulldoze the decaying dark-matter.
How much time??
We're still not seeing any published loss, I have tried to squeeze info from the UHAUL manager at I97&Cooley but he's tight lipped.
Hardly a solution, sort of a natural process.
All of Bend's TREASURE was used to blow up the bubble, certainly this city can spend a nickel on an orderly collapse???????????
Another day, another foreclosure auction.
As is usually the case, nobody raised a hand to bid on the little north Bend house, where the owner owed the bank more than $12,000 in unpaid mortgage payments. In fact, as is often the case, no potential bidders showed up at all.
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Think about that nobody is even showing up at Bend foreclosures, Pollock didn't even get an offer.
Bend has 5,000 homeless, and federal government just loves to help people. I simply cannot believe at this instant that Mike Hollern is working with the government on a win-win solution to OUR problem.
Come let's get the 500, and then I can hot-wax my ski's and go skiing for the day.
Most of the time we are Orange County in todays Bend, complete with the traffic, the fucking cali drivers, but at least we got the first decent snow I have seen in years.
Find a hobbies that require zero cost, otherwise Bend will be no fun.
Shopping is going to get hit so fucking hard in this town, its like that's all of this town is a strip-mall.
Once this pretty snow is gone a month or so, and all the gravel is allowed to settle, and the city is broke, all of our 'malls' ( every sq-ft of bend ) is going to look real pretty for the shopper's that will never come.
Sure Walmart will always be busy, where else can you get a flat of canned green-beans for a dollar.
Walmart is the real Bend of today.
Hey Oregon Experts,
What can you tell me about Richland Oregon -- 40 miles east of Baker City?
Thanks
In bad times, is it better to owe a TON on your house and be able to walk or owe little to nothing? I bet that the banks like taking the houses with the $20K balances on them vs. the ones with $650K balances. The $20K props are juicy profit....IF they can move them post foreclosure.
Bend Schools Busted for Buying Low Quality Beef, Possibly Sickening Children.
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Possibly unsafe beef pulled from school lunches
By Nina Mehlhaf, KTVZ.COM
About 50 cases of potentially unsafe beef have been yanked from school lunch menus in the Bend-La Pine Schools, and Jefferson County schools are also holding off on serving it.
The scare comes after undercover video surfaced of cows being mistreated at a giant meat-packing plant.
State officials warned all Oregon school districts to inspect their uncooked ground beef Thursday after an investigation said it could be contaminated.
More than 70 Oregon school districts get their meat from this particular California company.
"Glad they pulled it off the shelves though, and that way kids don't eat it and wind up getting sick," Juniper Elementary parent Yvette Akins said Friday.
And fortunately so far, no child has gotten sick.
But this week, state health officials warned every Oregon school to treat all uncooked ground beef as unsafe.
And at the Bend-La Pine Schools' food distribution center, in the back freezer, sit 50 cases of that suspect meat.
It's the Westlund Meat Packing Co. out of Chino, Calif., that's the problem.
Workers there were secretly videotaped by the Humane Society of the U.S., jabbing and abusing cows who couldn't get up.
The warning comes because it's against federal law to send out meat from animals too weak to walk.
"It's serious," said Katrina Wiest, wellness director for Bend-La Pine Schools. "Cruelty to animals is something we do not want to endorse, by any means. We just felt it was important enough that we pull meat from our supply."
"It just makes me nervous that somehow it made it through," said parent Elisha Swanson. "I guess they need to check more carefully when it comes to food."
Westlund Meat has now been kicked off the school food program that supplies federally paid-for food to districts around the country.
Bend La Pine says it now will get all its beef from other, safer companies.
"Today would have been nacho day," Wiest said, "and so we chose to offer cheese nachos. It was vegetarian, and kids got their nachos, so everyone was happy."
Crook County schools do not have any of the suspect meat, so lunches there will continue normally.
Jefferson County schools have Westlund meat that's dated well before this warning, but they tell NewsChannel 21 they will not use it.
ODS to rescue Bend from slump.
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What’s going up
Published: February 02. 2008 4:00AM PST
What: ODS/Western Title building Where: 360 Bond St., Bend Owners: The ODS Cos., Western Title & Escrow, and Gerding Edlen Development Project developer: Gerding Edlen Development, Portland Architect: GBD Architects, Portland General contractor: R&H Construction, Portland and Bend Leasing agents: Gardner Williams or Erich Schultz, Compass Commercial Real Estate Services, 383-2444 Details: A future school for dental hygienists and the future home of a Bend-based title company is rising above the Wilson Avenue and Bond Street roundabout.
The $30 million ODS/Western Title building will rise five stories above the intersection once it’s ready for occupancy at the end of the year, Portland architect Russ Hale said Friday. It is expected to be one of the few buildings in Central Oregon that qualifies for a Gold Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design certification, the second-highest rating available in the U.S. Green Building Council’s health, sustainability and environmental soundness ratings.
The building’s design will be anchored by a naturally landscaped roof over part of its second floor, Hale said. The garden roof will filter stormwater and keep much of the building cool in the summer and warmer in the winter. Inside, long-lasting materials, including stone tiles, wood from sustainable forests and surfaces made from recycled products, will surround people in climate-controlled offices filled with natural light.
Portland-based ODS Cos., a nonprofit dental and medical insurer, plans to open a school to train dental hygienists on the first floor. The company will occupy offices on the second floor, Hale said. Company officials have said they expect to bring 60 new jobs to Bend initially, rising quickly to around 70. The school will enroll 52 students at a time for 18-month courses.
Bend-based Western Title is expected to occupy part of the first and all of the third floor, Hale said. The fourth and fifth floors, with about 22,000 square feet altogether, will be available for lease.
— David Fisher
Truckers predict food costs in Bend to sky-rocket; shortages, price gouging expected.
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Winter storms complicate truckers’ lives across nation
A powerful winter storm that moved through parts of the Midwest on Thursday, Jan. 31, pushed into the northeast Friday with a mixture of rain, freezing rain and snow.
Out west, Interstate 90 was still closed at Snoqualmie Pass in Washington because of extreme avalanche danger. The National Weather Service said that as of Friday, 130 inches of snow have fallen at Snoqualmie Pass, 165 percent of the normal 79 inches. The record was 154 inches set in 1964.
The Seattle Times talked to Jack Ziebarth, vice president of operations for Pacific-based Gordon Trucking Inc., who said that this time of year is typically one of the slowest for shipping. Productivity is at a standstill, Ziebarth told the Times.
“Out here on the West Coast we’ve had virtually every pass closed from the Canadian border down to California” at one time or another, he said.
When weather like this sets in, a trucker going from Seattle to Utah could have to chain and unchain four or five times if he isn’t stopped entirely, Ziebarth said. It’s a health and safety issue that’s “taking a physical toll on the drivers,” he said.
Trucker Frank Allen, 48, was forced to park his rig Wednesday night, Jan. 30, on his way to unload cargo in Superior, WI. “If the wheels aren’t turning, we’re not making money,” he told The Seattle Times reporter.
And on Highway 20 in Oregon, a trucker was trapped for about 90 minutes between two avalanches on Thursday morning.
FROM THE ODS Website News/PR Page:
ODS Selects Bend Site for Office, Dental Hygiene School
ODS Will Share Space with Western Title & Escrow Company
Portland, Ore. – The ODS Companies (ODS) is pleased to announce that it has secured property in Bend to develop a new multi-use office building. ODS signed a Memorandum of Understanding on December 14 with joint venture partners Gerding/Edlen Development Company and Western Title & Escrow Company to purchase the property from owners George Slape and Al Owen.
The site, an undeveloped parcel of land located in the Old Mill District on S.W. Bond Street, will provide 80,000 to 90,000 square feet of office space. ODS will be the majority partner in the development and occupy approximately 43 percent of the building, while Western Title & Escrow will occupy about 31 percent. The remaining space will be reserved for future expansion by both companies or leased as needed. Portland-based GBD Architects is designing the building.
“ODS is committed to the central Oregon community and we are excited to have the opportunity to establish our next office in Bend,” said Andrew Franklin, ODS Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. “This site suits our needs perfectly in terms of overall space and location. Furthermore, Bend is a vibrant community with a bright future. We are looking forward to bringing jobs to the area and contributing to its continued success.”
According to Franklin, ODS operations at the new office will include sales, claims processing and customer service. In addition, the multi-use complex will incorporate a dental hygiene school. “We have operated the successful ODS School of Dental Hygiene in La Grande since 2004,” Franklin said. “We are now looking to replicate that program in Bend. Central Oregon has a strong demand for well-trained dental hygienists, which makes this program a great fit.”
In all, approximately 120 ODS personnel, including dental hygiene school staff and students, will be based in the Bend office.
ODS and its partners are currently working with city officials on development-related issues. Franklin said construction should begin in July 2007 and conclude 14 months later. “We would like to have our first class of dental students ready to begin their initial fall term by late September 2008,” he said.
“ODS is much more than just a Portland company,” Franklin noted. “ODS has served Oregonians since 1955, and we are committed to creating jobs throughout the state. Opening an office in Bend allows us to continue our support of the central Oregon business community.”
ODS is a multi-faceted organization that provides dental, medical and professional liability insurance products, along with a variety of business services including dental practice management software and benefits administration. ODS serves more than 750,000 members. Founded in 1955, ODS is Oregon 's leading dental plan and one of the state's leading medical plans. ODS is a founding member of the Delta Dental Plans Association, the nation's largest and most experienced dental benefits provider. ODS is headquartered in Portland and has offices in Medford, Milwaukie and La Grande, Oregon, as well as in Anchorage, Alaska .
Hey Oregon Experts,
What can you tell me about Richland Oregon -- 40 miles east of Baker City?
Thanks
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Home of the tri-city's, home of the nuclear bomb & nuclear waste disposal of the material it took to make those bombs for over 40+ years.
Sterile, good wine in the area. Take a look at Walla-Walla,
Good bike paths along the columbia river in tri-city ( richland is three city's that converge ).
Downtown is sterile, 90% of the people work for the federal government on weapons, thus its a town of high-level security clearance. Not much idle gossip, sort of like hanging out in the CIA towns back east.
Everything there is NUKE, even the bowling alley is 'atomic lanes'.
Home of 1/2 dozen idled nuke-power plants, and also home, to the largest pile of radioactive waste in the world.
Home of the ultra-top secret Hanford which made the material for all the atomic bombs during WWII, and quite a few since, then twenty years ago they started getting billions to clean up the mess.
Real nice place if your fond of three eyed children.
>> “We are now looking to replicate that program in Bend. Central Oregon has a strong demand for well-trained dental hygienists, which makes this program a great fit.”
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Yes, a STRONG demand, and it will only get stronger as the meth problem explodes and Federal dollars decend on Bend for subsidized dental care of the junkies.
>> ODS Will Share Space with Western Title & Escrow Company
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This was likely a strategic move to have a "partner" going in that will implode within the next 2 years.....freeing up space for possible expansion by ODS.
Buster, you did it. 500 Congrats. Now go wax up.
You are likely the fastest blogger in the west. What takes me 5 mins to formulate in a post, takes you about 10 seconds. You must have been doing this for a while.
Not Richland Washington -- Richland OREGON. The small town between Baker City and Halfway. (But thanks I'll never move to Richland WA).
Hey Oregon Experts,
What can you tell me about Richland Oregon -- 40 miles east of Baker City?
Thanks
Buster, you did it. 500 Congrats. Now go wax up.
I just want to thank all the little people!
Willy Wonka's Oompa-Loompa's, the Munchkin's from The Wizard of Oz, Dennis Kucinich, Prince, Gary Coleman, Danny DeVito, Spike Lee, Sherman Helmsley, Mickey Rooney, Tattoo from Fantasy Island, Ronny James Dio, and the rest.
Thank you all! It's been a privileged to work with such a fine band of loyal perverts.
Re: ODS
Ah, that answers the question I've had about what was going up there. It's a pretty big building.
Homer, you're right, credit where credit is due. You're our inspiration....
Isn't that a "Chicago" tune?
Re: And fortunately so far, no child has gotten sick.
Unfortunately, the reason for the broken regulations was because downer cattle may have mad cow disease, which doesn't show up for years.
From WaPo:
'Video footage being released today shows workers at a California slaughterhouse delivering repeated electric shocks to cows too sick or weak to stand on their own; drivers using forklifts to roll the "downer" cows on the ground in efforts to get them to stand up for inspection; and even a veterinary version of waterboarding in which high-intensity water sprays are shot up animals' noses -- all violations of state and federal laws designed to prevent animal cruelty and to keep unhealthy animals, such as those with mad cow disease, out of the food supply.
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The investigator said a USDA inspector appeared twice a day, at 6:30 a.m. and about 12:30 p.m., to look at each cow to be slaughtered that day. The practices occurred before the inspector's appearance, he said, with the goal of getting the animals on their feet for the short time the inspector was there.
"Every day, I would see downed cattle too sick or injured to stand or walk arriving at the slaughterhouse," he said. "Workers would do anything to get the cows to stand on their feet."
USDA regulations say that if an animal goes down after it is inspected but before it is slaughtered, then it must be reinspected. But that rarely, if ever, happened, according to the Humane Society."
"They wanted to do whatever they could to get them into the kill box, including jabbing them in the eye, slamming into them with a forklift and simulating drowning or waterboarding the animals," Pacelle said -- all practices that can be seen in the video.'
Video is here: http://video.hsus.org/
These real estate folk seem to just let slogans and saying replace critical thinking.
"Best Time to Buy In 20 Years!"
Yes, but won't all the reasons you give be even MORE true down the road?
All real estate is local!
Not this time.
Price never go down nationally.
They did this time.
And so on and so on.
Slogans and b.s.
Re: And fortunately so far, no child has gotten sick.
Unfortunately, the reason for the broken regulations was because downer cattle may have mad cow disease, which doesn't show up for year
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Cool this could be the biggest lawsuit against Bend yet, I wonder who will win??
I'm sure Bend/Lapine Schools knew they were getting their beef from the lowest bidder, this kind of stuff has long been know, not until the 'torture' of cattle was shown on TV did anyone care.
If we can dump depleted uranium on Iraq's children and cause 100's of thousands to die from dysentery caused by bombing water treatment plants 16-18 years ago, then its only logical we can kill our own children.
How do you say 'home-school', private-school, ... yes feed the kids beef from the lowest bidder, and save money for the lawyer's down the line.
What can you tell me about Richland Oregon -- 40 miles east of Baker City?
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'wow oregon' your right, back from skiing, ... now I get to spend the rest of the day shoveling snow off roof's.
I just saw that 'richland', and I did he pavlovian trigger, well 'richland, oregon', like the man said, that is a horses of a different color ( wiz-oz ).
Next post I'll mention richland, OR.
Done a lot of gold mining out towards Richland, OR over the years.
Used to be real easy to make a claim, grab five acres, throw up little outhouse and a trailer, get a back-hoe and spend the summer out there on your claim.
Good country, a little isolated..
Good people, they like guns, and like to hunt, you really have to be self sufficient.
I'll tell you if you go in a ditch the weather we're having now, they'll stop, one night out there in a storm like we're got right now I was coming back from Baker City to Richland and my buddy went off the road in the ditch ( hit some ice ), about midnight, within 5 min, the first two cars going by, stopped, and everyone helped push the car back up on the road. That's how they are out there just like Alaska, people take care of each other.
Also no tolerance for druggies, and thieve's I think its a little too far from Baker City, for stuff, I mean if your going to Richland or Halfway, ... You could be anywhere.
Have you thought about Sumpter? or Anthony Lakes? I prefer if I was out there Baker City or Joseph or Enterprise. Baker has the blues and Joeseph as the wallowa's. The north side of the Wallowas are awesome.
For me that whole area east of the wallows and south ( halfway, richland, Cornucopia ), it all looks the same, sort of boring to be honest. Sumpter is a nice place if you like cabin's,...
I'm not sure what your looking for most people out in that triangle ( halfway, richland, cornucopia) are after 'gold' I remember back in the 80's there were more stores selling dynamite than anything else in Baker City.
With 'GOLD' being HIGH again, my guess is that there will again be action, you know during the last depression, that area took off because a person could make better wage their finding gold than a city.
Good people, isolated, you'll have to shop in La Grande, or Ontario.
Take a look at Sumpter a little west of Baker City, its sort of the summer cabin's for Baker, yet its no to far to John Day which is a nice area.
The geology is most interesting east of baker city, and in the north wallowas.
You simply asked for yak-yak, on the richland, OR. ... I used to go out there a lot, and had a lot of friends out there all dead now. Close to put-in for the float down the snake-river.
Again, I don't know what your looking for, but I would focus on being near a hub like baker, john-day, or joseph.
The only reason I would seriously consider your area of request would be if you were serious about gold.
The only reason I would seriously consider your area of request would be if you were serious about gold.
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Hey thanks -- the reason I asked is that there is a place in Richland looking for a caretaker and I was considering the job -- the pay is cheap rent.
Thanks for all the insight on that area!! Good to know.
From Sonia, under my paradigm of full disclosure:
'The City has financial management policies and practices that dictate our course of action. The budget is only a budget. Finance staff meet regularly with other department management to review budget to actual numbers. If revenues do not come in as budgeted, expenditure reductions are made or expenditures are deferred or if necessary, a new funding source is identified. Even if revenues do come in, certain expenditures budgeted may not occur because further analysis may reveal that it is not a good idea to go ahead with the expenditure. Likewise, debt budgeted to be issued is not automatically issued unless financially prudent to do so. Many citizens believe that once the budget is approved and adopted, that the city just spends the maximum it can per the budget regardless, but that is not the case. As mentioned, we have fiscal management policies and practices that dictate our actions and we perform alot of analyses and studies before proceeding, expecially with large projects. You are right in that revenues are down this year because of the downturn in the housing market and slowdown of the economy, Council and management are already working on reducing expenditures. A set of budget reductions were brought to Council in December and another will be presented to Council by March and June.
Looks like you have alot of detailed questions. I cannot continue answering questions via back and forth emails with you. I would suggest that you schedule a 1/2 hour to come in and talk to me or one of my staff and we can answer all the questions you have regarding the budget. Please feel free to contact Linda Nordin, my admin staff to schedule a time. Her number is 388-5521. Thank you for your interest.'
I replied that a meeting would be great, so let's do it after we receive January numbers.
To be continued.
"It's the Westlund Meat Packing Co. out of Chino, Calif., that's the problem."
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That is the Baily Meat Packing Co. They changed their name to Westlund when they started buying exclusively from some Oregon State Senator ranchette in Tumalo.
Re:That is the Baily Meat Packing Co. They changed their name to Westlund when they started buying exclusively from some Oregon State Senator ranchette in Tumalo.
That is BS. No way a ranchette provides hundreds of cattle to slaughter.
If you have real history, bring it.
"That is BS."
Not Bull, bruce. Cows.
Beef cows. Bull ain't soft and tender; beef cows are good an tender.
Is bruce a vegie? Or maybe a vegan?
Oh, I know... bruce is a fruitarian.
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