Sunday, January 27, 2008

Bend Oregon: In A Depression Right Now

Well, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, by Ye Olde BendBubble2 blog has expended much virtual ink on the idea that there are people that need to be convinced that there is in fact a RE Bubble of unparalleled size imploding right now in our fair city. I've long talked that the nationwide implosion of wealth would be probably the most dramatic economic event in this country this decade (Or 2. Or 3), and it would probably be far and away the most important event in the history of Bend. So many previous posts were about convincing you that it was coming, and trying to guide people in a rational course of action, if you are caught in the Bend RE bubble. Hmmmm....that doesn't seem to be really necessary anymore.

If you can fog a mirror, you may have begun to perceive through the numerous obscure references to the US economy imploding before our eyes that have become de rigeur on The Nightly News & on the Presidential Cacophony of Bullshit, that The Shit Has Officially Hit The Fan. You may have started to notice a frenzied attempt to calm the masses with a large number of $600 checks. Yes, yes. That'll set things right. I'm looking at a $100K spanking on each of my 5 Bend spec homes, and by God, $600 will make it all better.

And as an aside, the Classic Stupidity of Liberals was aired on KTVZ, with respect to a "poll" asking locals what they would do with their refund check. The second person asked was a red-faced Bush hater, who responded, "I don't see how anyone can accept money from that... lying.... MAN!". Such vitriol for Bush is common, but ONLY KTVZ would have aired such an irrelevant liberal rant. Good call, dumbshits.

And so this blog must move to a new phase of chronicling the destruction, instead of convincing you about the depth & breadth of the coming horrors. The horror is here. And it's not leaving for the rest of our lives. It'll lead to a helluva recession in this country, despite protestations that it'll be short & mild. The government has NEVER predicted anything but short & mild recessions.

Bends fate is dramatically different though. We'll return to the Bend of Olde. Yes, when the dreadlocked set were easily employed for the Summer. When Bend teachers worked retail all Summer. 12% unemployment in February. You know, the good stuff, Depression era Bend.

Yes, I actually heard The "D" Word, by the abortion of Suzie Orman, Melony Hobson, on Good Morning America. Of course she said it would not happen in America EVER, but she actually defined what a depression is: 10% drop in GDP. I didn't know that. She said there has actually been a Depression since WWII, although she didn't say when. I'm guessing the early 80's.

Anyway, I've said often Bend is headed for a recession, which of course we are already in, right now. But that is sort damning our town with faint praise: We're headed for a Depression, in fact we are probably in it's beginning stages RIGHT NOW. And before it's over, DOWN 10% will look Damn Good.


So, with that I will try to temper my Predictions Of Doom, because it seems quite obvious to any sentient being that we are in the teeth of the most ravaging economic conflagration this town & the country will experience in the next 100 years.

So what's on the mind of our blessed commenters?

Well, there is one thread that sort of makes me chuckle, but lemme quote a wikipedia chunk on what an Alchemist is, first:

The best known goals of the alchemists were the transmutation of common metals into gold (called chrysopoeia) or silver (less well known is plant alchemy, or "spagyric"); the creation of a "panacea or the elixir of life," a remedy that supposedly would cure all diseases and prolong life indefinitely; and the discovery of a universal solvent.[1] Although these were not the only uses for the science, they were the ones most documented and well known. Starting with the Middle Ages, European alchemists invested much effort on the search for the "philosopher's stone", a legendary substance that was believed to be an essential ingredient for either or both of those goals. The Philosophers Stone was believed to mystically amplify the user's knowledge of alchemy so much that anything was attainable. Alchemists enjoyed prestige and support through the centuries, though not for their pursuit of those goals, nor the mystic and philosophical speculation that dominates their literature. Rather it was for their mundane contributions to the "chemical" industries of the day—the invention of gunpowder, ore testing and refining, metalworking, production of ink, dyes, paints, and cosmetics, leather tanning, ceramics and glass manufacture, preparation of extracts and liquors, and so on (it seems that the preparation of aqua vitae, the "water of life", was a fairly popular "experiment" among European alchemists).

Alchemy? What the hell sort of analogy is this about? Here's some guesses:

1) New Bend business transplant, International Environmental Technologies.
2) Bend real estate.
3) Bend, itself
4) Capstone turbines
5) The Shire
6) Tuscany Arctic Pine Butt Munkees
7) All of the above
8) Number 9

Yeah, my own guess is Number 8, which in fact leads to Number 9, which in fact leads to... confusion & nothing. Which, if you've been reading this blog for long, is pretty close to the mark. But, perhaps it is All of the Above.

Bend is built on the idea that you can convert an empty fantasy into something of substance. IET, is so perfect for Bend, it really is amusing. All the essentials are there:

1) Overly Impressive, yet meaningless name? CHECK!
2) Business Plan that defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics? CHECK!
3) Black box technology that somehow promises infinite wealth, yet sells zero units? CHECK!
4) Dumbfuck town willing to fund hucksters into the next century? CHECK!

As Brucey put it:

Whenever I hear about creating energy using extremely high temps, I start to wonder just how much net energy you end up with...

See, I was raised in a town where you burned your garbage in a big 32 gallon drum out back. NEVER did I get anything back, when I burned shit. But the alchemists at IET have totally bamboozled EDCO (ie Bend taxpayers) into sucking their corporate beanbag to relocate here. Here was Jeff Surma's (IET CEO) pitch:

Jeff: Roger Lee, how goes it? Dude, we have totally made a Magic Garbage Can, where you throw shit in, and out pops unlimited wealth! It's awesome!

Roger: Really? Cool! Cuz we need some big shit now that our previous Master Plan, "Double Down On Red", has imploded. What happens if I throw garbage in it?

Jeff: Dude, it totally produces this stuff, it's like plasma gas, that actually powers anything you want!

Roger: Really? What if I take a shit in my hand, and throw it in there?

Jeff: Dude, out pops a solid gold toilet! Seriously!

Roger: This seems to defy 9th grade physics though. Plus I've taken a shit in about 600 campfires, and never ended up with a solid gold toilet.

Jeff: Dude! That's old school, bullshit theory! It's 2008! It's Hammertime! This is the New Economy! Haven't you heard of Rumpelstiltskin? That shits in a BOOK! It's been proven in Estonian physics labs that this stuff works! Dude, just to prove how lucrative this is, here's a free coupon for a bottle of $4 wine at the Grocery Outlet!

Roger: Damn! It must really work!

And so forth. IET is exactly the sort of company this town attracts. Whether it's turning straw into gold, water into wine, or shit into solid gold toilets, Bend is your kind of town if you're in the grifting trade. You'll notice that water-to-wine, bullshit energy products make the rounds everytime oil pops up 50% "Gas additives" that boost your mileage to 300mpg? Yeah, every pop in oil. This is the same thing, it's just the Long Con for The Big Money.

And Bend is the Perfect Mark.

City of Bend On It's Way To Going Broke

An anonymous poster put the contents of this Bulletin piece in the comments, "Bend park board’s HQ on track as ball fields are slashed".

Pretty straightforward: Our fair City assumed that Doubling Down On Red was The Eternal Road To Riches back in the day, but unfortunately they didn't do 2 things first:

1) Read this blog
2) Think

So Big Fun, enviro-friendly, The Money Will Never End sort of projects, like Bend Pine Disneyworld are being scaled back to meth-den, gang-run Mexi-Cali shithole "parks", featuring parking lot & portable toilets, and the occasional raped jogger.

The scaling back on this particular project should give you pause about moving to, or staying in a city that is RIGHT NOW laying off cops: From $13MM, clear down to $2MM, or an 85% cut. THIS is just a hint of what's to come, and really happens to anyplace that sells it's soul to the devil or Brooks Resources: QUALITY OF LIFE GOES AWAY.

We made a Faustian Bargain that we'd do anything to be Number 1. Welp, the devil delivered, and now it's time to pay. Practically FREE SDC charges have transferred profits from the Citizens of Bend, to Mike Hollern, Randy Sebastian, and other shysters. Instead of parks, we have parking lots. Instead of cops, we'll have crack houses. Instead of handicap ramps, we have... nothing. Instead of mass transit, we got a junk yard.

And it's cold comfort that people like Hollern plowed their cash back into Fields of Dreams like Yarrow and Ironhorse, with a time to 100% absorption of 1 Human Lifetime.

Bankers Lament:

Who can forget the day I proudly posted The Plaza, as the first entry on our little RIP Hall Of Fame? Well, according to posts here and on BendBB, the $20.5MM note on The Plaza was sold by Umpqua Bank, possibly to make payroll, for $7MM.

First I'll note that statements about a "30%" return are slightly off the mark. This would have yielded Umpqua a tidy $26MM, give or take. No, the real return was -66%. Remember the post about how the Number 70, seemed to be popping up more than normal? This one is another close call.

I will say right now, that you should go have a look at the Plaza units, and offer 30 cents on the dollar. Those are going to be some nice rentals. And at $120/sf, they might even pencil, if you defer maintenance, and really gouge renters on their deposits. Right Buster?

In addition to Umpqua's shellacking, CACB posted their "dismal" results for Q4. Someone posted rather extensive financial highlights in the comments. Here are some interesting ratios & figures (2007 vs 2006, and the % chg):

Return on average total shareholders' equity (book) 7.42% 15.93% -53.4%
Delinquent >30 days to total loans 0.47% 0.09% 450.6%
Non-performing assets to total loans 2.23% 0.16% 1302.1%
Non-performing assets (5) 45,696 3,005 1420.7%
Net loan charge-offs (annualized) 0.33% 0.08% 308.5%

Yeah. I guess that 1302% INCREASE IN NON-PERFORMING ASSETS caught my eye. Seems like a uncomfortable trend? I don't know, maybe I'm just alarmist. Although they also noted this about their Developer Loans:

As background, this portfolio represents loans made to developers for the purpose of acquiring raw land and/or for the subsequent development of residential lots. The nationwide downturn in real estate has slowed lot and home sales within the Company's markets. This has impacted certain developers by lengthening the marketing period of their projects and negatively affecting borrower liquidity and collateral values. Accordingly, at December 31, 2007, those land development loans adversely rated through our internal risk-rating process totaled approximately $151 million or about 48% of the land development portfolio. Generally when a loan is adversely rated, an elevated level of credit reserve may be allocated based upon current facts and circumstances. In part, the higher provision for the fourth quarter represents the outcome of this ongoing process.

Huh. I guess Paul-doh is lucky he did not bet HALF OF ALL DEVELOPER LOANS IN BEND ARE BULLSHIT, cuz I would have lost. Only 48% of CACB loans to developers are in trouble. Still manageable, but I think CACB exec's might wanna keep an eye on that, cuz that could go seriously wrong. Not today, and not tomorrow. But someday. But these guys are sharp. Look at this analysis:

At December 31, 2007, Customer Relationship deposits(1) were up 7.2% compared to a year ago but decreased 2.9% on a linked-quarter basis. This decline in part reflects the end of the peak summer and fall tourism and construction season wherein deposit balances typically ease through the winter quarter. However, management also believes a general slowing in real estate activity has contributed to this trend, as deposits in real estate related business accounts show a reduction in average and end of period balances as compared to the prior year and quarter.

"Management believes a general slowdown in real estate" is adversely impacting deposits. Wow. They nailed that to the wall. But, it's no biggie, right now. But again, a trend to watch. This leads me to another topic:

SMEAR IT OUT:

You ever notice that Elizabeth Taylor is always "smeared out". She's all fuzzy & big-tittied. She almost looks doable.

Well, of course she is horrible, which is why the Paparazzi never get her; a clear photograph would bust the lense. Same with Bend, the Horror That Is Bend RE, and Bend Media.

To the extent that they ARE even covering the RE meltdown (The biggest story in Bend history. Have I said that?), they are SMEARING OUT the facts as much as is possible to give us the Lizzy Taylor titty bang.

The Smear Across Time:
Unemployment? Well... it's realy not so bad, cuz it's WHERE IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO.

Smear Across Geography:
And unemployment in Deschutes, Crook, Jefferson, Baker, Wallowa counties when mixed with Uzbekistan is at a comforting 8%.

Right. When we can count on The Bulletin to cover things, they are SMEARING them out to an almost ridiculous degree. WHY? Of course, because if you average in ANYTHING that occurred in 2004-2006, it drags everything up. If you smear it across many counties, or even better, the entire Northwest, it's impossible to figure out how Bend is actually doing.

And after all, we are MORONS who can't scratch our way out of a wet paper sack, at least according to the Bulletin.

Affordable Home In Bend:

This one is classic.

Now, first I'll say that this place needs affordable homes. And on the face of it, the Wednesday Bulletin article, "Low-cost houses in Bend's future" looks good for Bend's affordability problem. But is it affordable, or is it another "Eagle's Landing" maneuver, where prices are lowered, but the PRODUCT YOU'RE GETTING is also dramatically downsized? Buster say:

"Work Force Housing", somebody smells federal work projects coming, note the word "Force", they say no federal aid will be needed, but the "Work" will be Federal, and the projects forced, but is this enough to rescue the City of Bend.

I also got this distinct feeling as well. This is LABORER SHIT SHACK HOUSING. My Lord, they even interviewed housing development expert & Cessna exec Doug Oliver regarding this:


Cessna spokesman Doug Oliver said he tended to agree. Oliver said he's not familiar with the Mirada project specifically, but the consensus at Cessna's Witchita, Kan., headquarters is that its Bend plant is destined for growth in its work force, and anything that makes it easier to attract workers from outside the area, if that becomes necessary, will help its future here.

This is just awesome! Classic Bulletin-fueled insanity. Some shithole patch of scrub has been downgraded to Crap Shack Development, so David Fisher IMMEDIATELY runs out to the airport to blow.... errr, uh, interview any Cessna exec he can get his lips on. Their response?


"I don't know shit about this, but the mothership is 100% for stuff that makes us money, including the reclamation of energy from crap, plowing over foreclosed land, cross-breeding alien monkeys with humans, green energy garbage cans, and porno's where chicks go ass to ass on giant dildos like Jennifer Connelly did in Requiem For A Dream. That is the sum total of our knowledge about this issue."

Good job, David Fisher.

Econo-Rocket RETURNS... WITH A VENGENCE!

BEM, smart dude extraordinaire, has just checked in with this nugg:

CACB:

As background, this portfolio represents loans made to developers for the purpose of acquiring raw land and/or for the subsequent development of residential lots. The nationwide downturn in real estate has slowed lot and home sales within the Company's markets. This has impacted certain developers by lengthening the marketing period of their projects and negatively affecting borrower liquidity and collateral values.

"Nationwide downturn." Yeah, right. In other words, "beyond our control," "out of our hands," "couldn't see it coming." Someone at BOTC's been talking to the lawyers...

OK, back to reality. What seemed more likely in 2005, mass hysteria aside:

Option A: that an isolated, small town with no significant economic base except homebuilding and tourism, over 100 miles from any Interstate, over 100 miles from any city with over 100,000 population, over 100 miles from any 4-year college, surrounded on three sides by hundreds of miles of open land, with a population topping 70,000 and a median household income of under $50,000, can sustain indefinitely a median home price of close to half a million dollars, and a property price runup of over 100% in five years is based on fundamental economic strength and is a trend expected to continue into the foreseeable future.

Option B: that when there's been a property runup of over 100% in five years and the median home price approaches $500,000 in a community as described above, a massive speculative bubble has been formed and asset values are unstable; a major devaluation of property prices is therefore expected.

2 things. First this gels with the short thread about Half, OR. If you've never been there, it is one of the more bleak-ass near-ghost towns at The End Of A One-Way Street. If you're looking for others, WALK OUTSIDE. Bend is The Premiere ONE WAY TOWN. People coming here, typically turn around 180 degrees when it's time to go. Typical of places with this characteristic is a 100% DISSIPATION BASED ECONOMY. Fairbanks, AK is such a place. Skagway AK is another. Walk about 100 yards beyond the TOURIST SHMEAR, and you find NOTHING. These sorts of places are hollowed out, gutted communities, filled with borderline catatonic inhabitants going out of their minds.

You can closely figure out THE BUST of such places by going to a local Wal-Mart: They bust the hardest when the auto department is FULL OF GASOLINE ADDITIVES. Why? These places are 100% dissipation economies that ARE EXPENSIVE TO GET TO, AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, IT'S EVEN MORE COSTLY TO LEAVE THEM. Bend is 100% dependent on Cheap Gas, but with oil at $100/bbl, we are dead meat. Namely Bachelor is DEAD. Notice there has been NO MENTION about Bachelor in the Bulletin this year. Why? Of course, Bachelor has busted as hard or harder than RE.

Second, there is an EXTREMELY well-written opinion piece in todays Bulletin, that made me speculate that I have AGAIN, identified who BEM really is. So I'll end this weeks post, with this incredibly smart piece about Bends decline, where the words "Motherfucker" and "smelly cunt" are not even used once:

Bend’s short-sighted planning will have far-reaching effects
By Alistair Paterson / Bulletin guest columnist
Published: January 26. 2008 5:00AM PST

As a transplant to Bend from Kauai, Hawaii, I am struck by the similarities between the two communities. Both are about the same size, have approximately the same number of people and face the same growing pains and challenges, i.e. a rapidly expanding population base and an infrastructure struggling to keep pace with it. Additionally, they pride themselves on their natural beauty and their numerous outdoor athletic activities. Indeed, the prose in their respective tourist publications is so similar one might easily suppose it’s generated from the same source.

What puzzles me is why these wonderful places are so willing to surrender all the qualities that made them so special. There’s still hope that Kauai may retain some of its rural appeal, but Bend, based on its recent past, appears committed to a never-ending stream of new “community” housing developments. Even the most casual observer cannot help but note the large number of cheaply constructed tenement-style row houses that will certainly deteriorate into the slums of the future.

Somehow, developers have convinced the powers that be that these poorly conceived communities serve Bend’s best interest. While the real estate market was booming, their heavily promoted product was quickly snapped up by a naive audience of buyers easily persuaded that this would be their last chance to jump aboard the real estate express. With the continuing downward spiral of the market, however, these same developers are being forced to significantly discount their product. The result is that they cut even more corners in the building process and subsequently market the homes for substantially less money than they persuaded buyers to pay for them over the past few years. Potential buyers would have been well advised to remember the adage “the bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has disappeared.”

The situation has deteriorated so dramatically that across the nation Bend is perceived as having been vastly overbuilt and on an inventory versus population ratio, the amount of unsold homes on the market is among the highest in the country. It’s well past due that the overactive promotional glands of the visitor’s bureau, the chamber of commerce and the City Council be tempered by these facts. Any more development is not only ill-advised but practically suicidal, at least until current inventory levels have been significantly reduced and infrastructure improvements catch up with the recent population explosion. To even consider allowing Juniper Ridge to proceed under the current conditions is essentially nothing short of criminal.

Yes — planning for future growth is prudent and appropriate, but it’s also essential that the city take off its rose-colored glasses and accept the reality that Bend has a crisis on its hands. The visitor’s bureau spends $250,000 on its most recent advertising campaign but ignores the fact that, thanks to this thoughtless development frenzy, there is no longer even an attractive approach to the city. Anyone driving into Bend — according to current promotional materials the land of blue skies, powdery snow, elegant fare, snow angels and sleigh rides — will instead face clogged roads, urban sprawl, commercial strip malls, enormous billboards, a downtown with the worst festive lighting display of any resort area, and a city sharply divided between the haves and the have-nots.

In more than 30 years of general real estate, I’ve never observed such a lovely community with so many red flags waving at the same time. The current proliferation of gated communities is one of the first signs of a city in crisis, as these only serve to further polarize and divide a community that is increasingly losing all sense of its original appeal and ambiance. I know the people who live in these enclaves will object to this description, but it’s quickly obvious that the vast majority of their residents are recent transplants who escaped to Bend only to work toward the destruction of everything that drew me here originally. If indeed the tourist bureau’s promotional material is to be believed, why are gated areas a requisite at all?

The impact of such short-sighted planning coupled with a nationwide real estate crunch will have far-reaching effects for the city of Bend. I believe it will be at least four years before the median real estate prices return to those of 2006. It’s vital to remember that sooner or later, you reap what you sow, and if there is not an immediate perspective adjustment at every level of planning and promotion, then the only thing requiring more money will be a minor name change and new entry signage stating “Welcome to Bend — a gorgeous little community until greed took the lead.”

Alistair Paterson lives in Bend.




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tim said...

I just looked at national. Looks like about 32% with no mortgage nationally.

So Bend is in scarier shape than many have suggested, according to these Census numbers.

tim said...

The more I look, the worse it looks for Bend. I think some people have been selling a bill of goods when they talk about our demographics. These census numbers make more sense to me, as I never quite understood how we were all managing to be rich people.

However, I have not yet read the methodology. That's crucial with gov't numbers. You never know what subset of people they may be looking at until you dig in to the methodology.

Bend Economy Man said...

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“It will be the type of stores that you would find in Aspen, Colorado, or resorts that bring in tourists,” Storton said.

The 11 spaces available in the development could include a Starbucks Coffee Co. or a Peet’s Coffee & Tea, an upscale deli, bank, wireless phone company, higher-end women’s or men’s clothing shops, and a gift store, Storton said.

The development of the property, located next to the Sno-Cap Drive-in on Cascade Avenue across from the Clearwater Gallery...




Storton says a lot of things! Something tells me Storton's never been to Aspen if he says in one breath that he's going to attract Aspen-level shops and in the next breath says he means Starbucks and an "upscale deli," which I assume sells gold-plated pastrami.

So Aspen has, like, a Louis Vuitton shop, a Christian Dior shop, an Ermenegildo Zegna shop. So they're going to put one of those next to the Sno-Cap Drive-In in Sisters? That'll be great to be able to buy a $6000 handbag and then walk next door for a root beer milkshake and cheeseburger.

Anonymous said...

Just trust us--sounds like our Council ;)

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Bruce,

Allow me to tell you a little story about Oakridge. Back in the 60's, there was a cop that had his way with taking kids out beating the shit out of them.

A few of the town folk tied the cop to the railroad tracks, and the cop lost a leg.

Nobody every figured out who did it, and the nobody ever fucked with Oakridge teens again.

Oakridge is a different kind of place, what caught my eye, was THEIR city council tried to pull this over in secret.

That's the kind of shit rural Oregon has to contend with now, all our politicians are selling assets to the mob ( Nevada ), and doing it in secret.

My point is and I can guarantee this, something is going to happen in Oakridge, because the people there, have their own way of taking care of problems.

FYI, in the day Oakridge had the biggest timber biz in the State, but it all died a long time ago. Fascinating place, and in the day a lot of my mentors came from Oakridge, they were guys that managed to get out and make it to college, e.g. UofO, ...

Watch carefully, watch the news; I wouldn't want to be a politician in Oakridge without an armed 24/7 guard right now.

p.s. the cop didn't die, he got out of town with his life.

Bewert said...

Re: p.s. the cop didn't die, he got out of town with his life.

Hell of a story.

Stopped by to say hi to Dunc today, on the way back from the denture guy. But he's keeping January hours, 11-6. Man, that seems easy :) So, hi Duncan. Sorry I missed you.

Anonymous said...

Re: p.s. the cop didn't die, he got out of town with his life.

Hell of a story.

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Oakridge is a hell of a town, they got some BEND types trying to run their fucking town.

I love that quote "OREGON allows real estate negotiations to be secret".

NOT FUCKING so, they "REAL ESTATE appraisals to be secret".

These fuckers in the press actually think that politicians can sell the fuck taxpayer owned land in secret, somebody needs to bitch slap the press.

Anonymous said...

http://angrybendbitch.blogspot.com/

* MSTUCKER ...

Ok, mstucker or dr-pepper, whoever is our bend female realtor.

I completely setup your site.

Email me at bilbobend@gmail.com, and provide me gmail.com account name, and tell me a password you want, and I'll setup you up as the controller.

Note, I'm hoping we do get a womans perspective, if you look at what's been done so far, you'll see that all your rants are posted.

I also added this site to bendblogs so others can find it.

You may not like the pics, but I think they speak many words about the before and after of our 2,000 bend realtors.

Obviously as the controller you can do as you wish.

Anonymous said...

I tell my buyers and sellers the truth. Don't buy now. And sell as fast as you can at the lowest price you can or stay forever.

[ Yes, this is what I have been telling all here over a year. Don't buy, because in a few years will have once in a generation prices. If own, ten sell in 2005, because you ain't selling again until 2025 ]

I know of many brokers looking or working part time at other jobs. They never heeded the good advice about keeping 6 to 12 months money in the bank.

[ hell yes, most don't have savings, almost all live hand to mouth. trouble now is everyone is working under the min-wage table ]

I will retire this fall. Have no debt, no mortgage and will stay in Bend.

[ that's the way to do it in bend, no debt, no mtg, and minimize driving, keep things simple. ]

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p.s. sorry about giving you hard time, we get a lot of fictional people on this site, but I can tell your about as sincere as bruce, which brings tears to this old crocodile.

You are obviously a realtor who has been around, I completely agree that those that want help to survive should be helped. Hell this is going to be like the great depression, you never know those you feed may be feeding you.

Anonymous said...

kids: Hey mom, we'll be in Sister's in ten minutes. Can we stop at Starbucks?? Can we?? How about that new chuckee cheese??

parents: "shut the fuck up, we'll be through this town in 1/2 an hour, and home at bend, where we have ten starbucks".

Sister's wants to have stuff that makes tourists want to stay "TEN DAYS", I shit you not, that's their current PR goal, yet most people who know sisters want out in five minutes, hell we don't even want to get out of our car.

tim said...

Ten days, are you shitting me? I don't want to stay at Disneyland for five.

I just want to get through Sisters without hitting a pedestrian. If my wife is in the car we drive through one of the coffee places. I once let my Dad use the bathroom in McDonalds.

Sure, I stopped and looked in the art gallery the first time, and got a slice of pizza the second, but I can honestly say that the more time I spend in Sisters, the less I want to in the future. For about 3 years, I've considered trying the rodeo there, but never got around to it.

Ten days. Oh, that's worth a belly laugh. Sounds like torture. Like Deliverance. How do you keep people in Sisters overnight even?

Bewert said...

Re: For about 3 years, I've considered trying the rodeo there, but never got around to it.

Just went for the first time last fall. Quite the slice of life.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, I sent you an email. Some of ya aren't so bad. Maybe all of ya.

tim said...

>>Just went for the first time last fall. Quite the slice of life.

Not sure how I should take that. Did you enjoy it? Would you go again?

tim said...

>>Some of ya aren't so bad. Maybe all of ya.

Oh man, you got us all wrong.

Anonymous said...

Not... and I am sure you don't hate women. If you did you would be sleeping with each other or in a MPLS bathroom.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps they put a stop to the buy-backs in a falling knife-market, and instead just paying dividends??

Here's a dime for the use of your twelve dollars, which I gladly repay on friday, so said popeye's buddy some sixty years ago.

"Cascade continues to be a solidly profitable and well-capitalized bank that will successfully navigate the challenges of the current real estate slowdown,"

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Cascade Bancorp Announces Quarterly Cash Dividend Payment of $.10 Per Share
PR Newswire
January 28, 2008: 02:39 PM EST

BEND, Ore., Jan. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Board of Directors of Cascade Bancorp approved payment of a $.10 per share quarterly cash dividend. This regular dividend is payable on February 15, 2008, to shareholders of record as of February 8, 2008.

"Cascade continues to be a solidly profitable and well-capitalized bank that will successfully navigate the challenges of the current real estate slowdown," said Patricia L. Moss, President and CEO. "Accordingly, the directors are pleased to deliver a solid dividend return to our shareholders."

Cascade Bancorp (headquartered in Bend, Oregon) and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Bank of the Cascades, operates in Oregon and Idaho markets. Founded in 1977, Bank of the Cascades offers full-service community banking through 34 branches in Central Oregon, Southern Oregon, Portland/Salem and Boise/Treasure Valley. The Bank has been rated among the top performing banks in the nation for the ninth consecutive year by Independent Community Bankers of America, as well as being named the 2007 top community bank in the Northwest by US Banker Magazine. The Bank is honored to be among the top 40 "Best 100 Companies to Work For in Oregon, 2007," compiled by Oregon Business Magazine. For further information on Bank of the Cascades, please visit our web site at http://www.botc.com.

Anonymous said...

http://angrybendbitch.blogspot.com/

* MSTUCK

Ok, done I sent you the invite, your now admin

Does anyone know if any of sally's stuff is still around for MSTUCK to have a good laugh??

Anonymous said...

p.s. sorry about giving you hard time, ... but I can tell your about as sincere as bruce, which brings tears to this old crocodile.
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Oh my God .. this is a momentous occasion -- the BB2 gang of mysogynists actually embraced a female into the boys club, and had a few tears to boot. His is a historical moment for BB2.

mstucker - are you sure you want the "angry" there? I think it's much better to just say bendbitch -- it gets the point across in a more clever, less potenially offensive and skewed manner. I mean if you are really angry and just want that theme to dominate -- vs. just some miserable bitchin' like BB2 bitches do here, well then ... it's your blog. I'm just say....

Anonymous said...

bruce said...
Re: For about 3 years, I've considered trying the rodeo there, but never got around to it.

Just went for the first time last fall. Quite the slice of life.
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This Fall? Dude, the Biggest Little Row-DAY-Oh is in June?

Maybe you went to the Battle of DaBulls? Not quite the same, but close enuf.

It is a tourist trap...(once was a timber town, B-BAR-B drinking town) always will be (a cone licker's paradise town) going forward.

Anonymous said...

keep the angry bitch.

anger is an emotion.

kinda like the tears we cry whenever bruce comes around.

we manly men need to show our emotions more.

angrybitch. it roles off the tongue nice and slow like. it'll get ya in NYT in notime. faster than ya can say 'clothesline on Aubray Butte'

Anonymous said...

are you sure you want the "angry" there?

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I think its quite clever, and ahead of the curve.

For over an hour today on OPB I had to listen about 'man child'.

How come there are no "WOMEN CHILD", hell just about every parent I know has 22 yr old slut-daughter who party's like the boyz, look at the girls now, even paris hilton and buddy's don't wear underwear and share the shaved beaver to the world.

The girlz are naughty.

I don't think that our new girl is a bitch, but she is Bend, and she sure the hell is ANGRY.

Which gets to the point about 'man child', all we ever hear about is 'angry white males'.

Why can't there be "angry females", or "angry bend females", or better yet 'angry bend realtors'. Its about time.

I'll say this about MSTUCK she is ahead of the curve, while her comp doesn't even know what the hell is going on, she's already telling her customer the TRUTH, and that's worth a lot. WHO knows, she might have some young realtor's who she needs to mentor, or like most realtors she'll dabble forever, as its hard to walk from the deal.

Once you don't have the office, and can work at home as a broker its quite easy. In todays Bend, folks will be damn glad to find a straight-shooting realtor.

Again, if the boyz can be bad, and 'angry white males', why in the HELL can't the girls be 'angryBendBitch", in the BEER world there is the "BEER-BITCH", and she's the hottest writer in the biz, and has a motto, that she can out drink any guy.

I think MSTUCK ( she needs a better handle, but that's her problem ) has the passion, and maybe even she has the 1/2 life to outlast sally-heatherton.

Only time will tell, until then Bend needs to a WOMAN to tell other women what the hell is going on, the point is we are getting to the point where this is no longer a nerd boys story.

Anonymous said...

I agree with without angry. Last night I had some anger. But I would like it to be about just bitching and not about me. Then anyone that finds it can just bitch as he or she see's fit. Bilbo I will be changing the name. I like the photos though.

Anonymous said...

keep the angry bitch.

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http://angrybendbitch.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

I agree with without angry.

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Then you will fall to the 'dark side', for in Bend, one who is NOT politically correct is angry.

Only the politically correct crowd in Bend are not angry.

Anybody who has been in this town for over 20+ years is very angry.

Anger is a human emotion, show me someone is not angry and I'll show you a liar, or someone who has NO passion. Both of these types SUCK.

The only way we'll EVER flush the toilet on Bend city-council, and the destruction of Bend is to humiliate the status quo, and that is to vent our anger.

If you approach this like you would wining and dinging a fucking prospective Real Estate 'MARK', then don't even waste your fucking time.

We don't need another ASS KISSER Bend, this town is full of ASS Kissers, this town needs a few "Angry Realtors", who can tell the fucking truth.

If you can't vent your anger, and tell people your angry, then you sure and the hell will not tell them the truth.

I don't give a fuck either way, becuase eventually a women realtor will come along that see's the fucking light. More of the same is NOT going to fix Bend.

Anonymous said...

For too long the women of Bend have all been Mike Hollern PR-Bunny sluts.


Look good MILFS that talk the fucking talk.

Only when the women of Bend stand up, and say we're MAD AS HELL (ANGER) will the fucking status-quo of this town take notice.

The fact that there are some angry nerds on their computer, nobody gives a fuck.

Again, back to 1/2 life, its only day two, and our SALLY has already shown her colors.

Anonymous said...

My whole sordid story is still at my blog. Be sure you start from the beginning. The first one is "Marvelous Bend."

I suppose I should delete the site and start over again, like a television school going to reruns.

It was great fun, and got thousands and thousands of hits.

Hugs, Sally Heatherton

Anonymous said...

IF YOUR NOT ANGRY WITH WHAT THE RE-HO'S HAVE DONE TO OUR BELOVED BEND.

THEN YOU ARE A SLIMEY-CUNT BITCH.

Anonymous said...

The first one is "Marvelous Bend."

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Sally, will you please post the site.

That cougar killed in La-Pines last week was not you?

Anonymous said...

It was great fun, and got thousands and thousands of hits.

Hugs, Sally Heathert

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Yes, those were the best of times, even the Source got a hard-on over sally, the most eligible MILF in Bend.

Here's a bowl of Viagra to you sally, ...

Anonymous said...

Sally, Great blog..I just read a bunch of it. Humor bar none. Don't know who you really are but you were right on. What is a MILF?

Anonymous said...

Calm down angry BB2ers -- think abou it: you don't have the word angry or any other emotion in your site's name.

Why set her up for endless and useless attacks just because people are pissed by the word angry? When I first read her original, idea right away I got it and I'm a (do I dare say) female.

BendBitch -- is a double entrendra both announces a place by a bitch and for bitches to vent our anger. It already says you're angry without unnecessariously add a word that incites emotions worse than anger -- like ignorance and intolerance.

This site is clearly not going to be a Bend PR site in the ilk of the ones regularly bashed here. It's just the change of one little word that adds noting and risks much. The side is still a place for women to add their griefs and insights, but who can't bear to have men call them smelly cunts so they come here and leave in one day.

(Me I say, being it onnnnnnn MFer)

Anonymous said...

OK , goggled MILF. I get it but don't want it. Wow the news in Bend must be slow since ya all are still ranting about what I stirred up last night. There were 2 more solds today and upped the med to 313k. I hate median prices as it never truly reflects the market. Today 2 houses closed. Which moved the med up 2 notches. Looking at it dailey,as I do, can drive you fucking nutz. But I can't help not looking everyday. I keep looking for a true price change. Not just the fact that homes aren't selling.

Anonymous said...

Start at the bottom!

http://marvelousbend.wordpress.com/2007/09/page/2/

Anonymous said...

Calm down angry BB2ers -- think abou it: you don't have the word angry or any other emotion in your site's name.

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Are you out of your fucking mind?

"BEND is FUCKED"

"BEND is in a DEPRESSION"

"Calis are Locusts"

This is the theme 24/7, and this isn't anger??

Anonymous said...

best minimum wage job a middle aged guy ever had
I'm amazed by the amount of passion -- anger, even -- that BendBubble2 can bring to his posts about the Bend economy. I mostly agree with him, ...

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What is the above?? When I google "Bendbubble2 anger", or any "Bend, Oregon real estate" with anger I get tons of hits.

There you have it from our own philosopher DUNCAN, BB2 causes anger, BB2 is anger.

Get over it you fucking politically correct fucking cali locusts.

Dunc, has written extensively, and so have all of us, by I have to say it again, MOST OF BEND is currently in DENIAL, but we're NOW entering the ANGER phase, its so fucking obvious, that it goes without saying.

There's a TON of angry mother-fuckers in Bend.

Anonymous said...

Please Homer tell us that Duncan is wrong, please tell us that everyone is Bend is HAPPY, and that the whole point of your fucking blog over the past year or more, has only been about sharing the happiness.

The 'angry white men' are something to be found in any place but Bend, we're exceptional in Bend, we have no anger.

Please tell us that there is NO denial in Bend, nor has there ever been denial. For that matter there is NO bubble. Please tell us that denial never leads to anger.

Please Homer, please tell us that Bend is a happy place, where all that comes gets a home, and becomes rich and lives along Baby Jeebus in perpetual harmony.

Please tell us that Bend is a special place where dogs roam without leashes, and realtors queue in endless lines cashing their commission checks.

Anonymous said...

I'm very upset by all this talk of anger.

The Bend City Council needs to declare Bend to be an anger free zone.

Then the police would have the tools to end the denigration of our good city.

Anonymous said...

Homer,

Some thoughts on your issue of depression. Currently we're at over 6% un-employment, but so much of Bend's construction is under-the-table, I'm sure the actual un-employment is way over 10%.

Note 10% un-employment is a depression.

Just a few days ago the Bulletin announced a 36% increase in area un-employment, given that the increase will only accelerate, then even at conservative growth, our total un-employment will double every two years.

We're already at over 10% un-employment, and I can honestly 25% un-employment here, which would be comparable to the great depression.

Just something for all to think about.

Anonymous said...

BendBubble: Movie Review: "The Host" Bend St. Francis McMennamin's
BendBubble. Bend Real Estate ... See "The Host" feel the anger, Remember the Asians have financed our ... ( The world is angry at the USA )
bendbubble.blogspot.com/2007/04/host-st-francis-mcmennamins-movie.html

BendBubble: Bend Politicians Commit Political Suicide
BendBubble. Bend Real Estate. .... And so is the anger toward gentrification. - duncan ...
( Bend is Anger )
bendbubble.blogspot.com/2007/09/bend-politicians-commit-political.html - 72k

Anonymous said...

Read the following very closely THOSE that say that GROUP never focuses on ANGER. Note the following is prior post of Homer. Not, explicitly here HOMER say's "Realty PRO's are ANGRY"

From Bruce, over on BendBB:

The Kübler-Ross model describes, in five discrete stages, the process by which people deal with grief and tragedy, especially when diagnosed with a terminal illness. The model was introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book "On Death and Dying". The stages have become well-known as the "Five Stages of Grief".

1. Denial: The initial stage: "It can't be happening."
2. Anger: "Why ME? It's not fair!" (either referring to God, oneself, or anybody perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible")
3. Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my child(ren) graduate."
4. Depression: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
5. Acceptance: "It's going to be OK."

Where are we now? From what I've seen, Stage 2. RE pros are ANGRY. We have been chronicling Stage 1 for OVER 1 year now. Hollern is starting to to feel the front edge of this thing:

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

That'll be great to be able to buy a $6000 handbag and then walk next door for a root beer milkshake and cheeseburger.

AWESOME!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

There were 2 more solds today and upped the med to 313k.

DANG IT!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I love how home & business owners have to shovel snow from sidewalks or they're fined $165, but my street NEVER gets plowed.

Of course, I live on the East side, where we're all renters & barely human, and no one works.

Just make sure the road to Bachelor is clear & it'll be OK.

Anonymous said...

Two important questions.

(1) When will the trader joe open??

(2) When will the Super-Burrito open?? The 'opening soon' sign has been hanging there for months.

I'm desperate for some food in this town.

Anonymous said...

Where are we now? From what I've seen, Stage 2. RE pros are ANGRY. We have been chronicling Stage 1 for OVER 1 year now.

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On Nov 26, 2007 our HOMER, GOD, Dar Fuhrer, OUR FUCKING LEADER said ...

"RE PROS are ANGRY"

Now are Realty Newbie says "She ain't angry NO MORE"

Is she saying homer is a liar? Or is she a liar? Or is she thinking long term as position herself 'public' so she can say, "Look at me I was telling the truth first".

I concur with Homer ( as always ), that every fucking realtor in this town is fucking ANGRY!!!

If your a realtor in BEND, and your not angry, then your a fucking liar.

Bewert said...

Re: This Fall? Dude, the Biggest Little Row-DAY-Oh is in June?

Yeah, thinking back on it, it was this summer... I was trying to remember if it was before or after I rode up through Sisters and partway up towards the observatory to watch the Cascade Classic go by, because I was thinking about the rodeo as I rode by the entrance.

Time goes by so fast these days.

Quimby said...

Ahhhhhhhh, now aren't these the good normal winters of the 90's that I remember? I may run low on wood this year and have to hit my neighbor up! Snow snow snow snow snow and icy roads. Except back then there weren't as many dipshit drivers (or maybe I'm getting old).

Maybe its the Calis. Speaking of Calis, what makes Calis so fucking repulsive? In all fairness, they're ALL not that way. Some are cool as shit and fit in well here with Old Bend. They don't flaunt money but stay low. But there are SOOOO many assholes....I can't quite put my finger on it. Bend tons, shitloads of them in Sisters, per-capita, I'm betting that Sisters has a higher rate of infestation.

Speaking of Sisters, I could not believe what Storton was saying re: Sisters = Aspen. LMAO!!!!!! Whoever said Storton had never been to Aspen is fucking RIGHT ON. Sorry, but there is NO comparison.

Anonymous said...

the Biggest Little Row-DAY-Oh is in June?

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The Pendleton Roundup is for real.

Anonymous said...

LMAO!!!!!! Whoever said Storton had never been to Aspen is fucking RIGHT ON. Sorry, but there is NO comparison.

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Snow Cap Drive-in is a five-star restaurant, didn't you know??

Quimby said...

>> Snow Cap Drive-in is a five-star restaurant, didn't you know??

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Now you're talking. We used to race down from the top of Middle and the Sno-Cap was our GOAL at the end of a long couple days out.

Anonymous said...

Maybe its the Calis. Speaking of Calis, what makes Calis so fucking repulsive?

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The calis are a symptom of why Bend is fucked.

The calis wouldn't have came if DVA/VCB hadn't have marketed this shit out of this desert Island we call Bend.

Then if Mike Hollern hadn't spent his own nickel on 'Smart Growth', the flood gates of development wouldn't have opened.


Then if DUMBYA hadn't offered zero-down, int-only, 5/1 arms to anybody and/or their dog,..

The calis came and came, but soon they'll be leaving, because locust always move on.

Those of us who have lived in Bend forever, and will stay until we die, will have to clean up the fucking mess.


Cali's have always been repulsive, most recent immigrants to Oregon themselves ( last fifty years ) came to Oregon to escape the cali rat-race.

It used to be folks came to Oregon to escape, but now these new post 2000 calis', bitch and complain that there are no super malls, and ... now we have malls everywhere.

Most calis drive like maniacs, largely because they can down in cali they can't speed because of the traffic, they're wired to accelerate when ever they see open-space.

Every cali thinks they are the center of the universe.

Yes, I agree there are some good calis, but those are the ones that came here to get away from cali. The bad calis are the ones that brought cali here with them.

Quimby said...

>> Yes, I agree there are some good calis, but those are the ones that came here to get away from cali. The bad calis are the ones that brought cali here with them.

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That's it! There's gold in that statement Buster.

Bewert said...

Re: Would I go again?

Yes, it was kind of fun seeing the redneck side of life. As my wife would put it, "a bunch of dumbass cowboys." She was born on a ranch in Sydney, Nebraska, and after that her dad ran the Denver Stockyards for quite awhile, so she saw a lot of cowboys.

She came back from the Summer OR show a couple of summers ago with a great story about the dumbass cowboy ex-husband of one of her best friends. Seems he had to move 20 or 30 head of cattle, including one mean bull, off some land as his grazing lease was up. So he enlisted his ex-wife to help him, and she enlisted Trudy. So here they are, the three of them and two horses and one dog, trying to round up these cattle. The cows were pretty ease but the bull wasn't being so cooperative.

Trudy was stuck on the ground at first and got scared when the bull took a bit of a run at her, so they put her up on one of the horses. The one that was freshly broken and not really under control. And it promptly took off at a full gallop while Trudy tried to rein him in and hang on at the same time. She finally got him slowed down and get the hell off of him as fast as she could.

They ended up all beat up and dusty and dirty, but the cowboy got his herd moved, so all's well that ends well.

Still she had me howling with laughter telling how unprepared the dumbass cowboy Vince was and how her and Greta were running around trying to avoid falling down in to fresh cowpies while herding the cattle in the right direction, along with the dog, with one of them on a barely in control horse, and one angry bull interfering with the whole process. She was like, "I forgot how fucking big they are!"

Bewert said...

Boy, reading Sally again sure brings back memories. And what a glorious flameout in the end!

I live in Bend, Oregon. It is marvelous! Lately, some jealous, or just mean, people have been saying it’s past its prime. That’s ridiculous–Bend is just as marvelous as it always has been.

Anonymous said...

Anger ...

You guys are always correcting people's perspective and saying -- see the difference.

Well see the difference here :
- I didn't say that BB2 doesn't talk about and show the posters anger: of course it does
- what I said was you don't have anger in the name of the blog, i.e. www.angryoldmenbloggingonbendbubble2.com

See the difference!

Bewert said...

Just did a search on the County site for "Notice of Default and Election to Sell" records for January to date.

77

Well over the number of new sales.

tim said...

>>Well over the number of new sales.

So there's some increased inventory, plus some people who are unlikely to be buying houses again soon.

Bewert said...

Wow, this guy went big and lost: Edward Himler, who has 13 Default and Election to Sells recorded since 11/15/07

Anonymous said...

Duncan,

On your site a week ago I wrote about this story how it was being IGNORED by the BULL & SORE, a story about how stuff is being fucked up all in the woods with "NO BOB", which is slang for the bad-bitch that sold out Bend's best places to hike, bike, and ...

The word is a bunch of kids tired of seeing Bend promoted in Outside Magazine, and SORE are mad as hell, and are marking up the woods with "NO BOB".

Guess fucking what its NOW a national STORY, and STILL ignored by the BULL&SORE. BEND is fuck, and the WHOLE WORLD knows it, except Bend, OH yea, Bend is Exceptional.

My PRO guess is what's going on is Linda Frost is up in Washington this week, and got someone up there to do a story. Her groups meets this time of year in Methow Valley, WA.
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A cross-county ski vandal prowls Bend's woods

By Associated Press

BEND, Ore. — Richard Nixon did not live here.

But those who enjoy cross-country skiing on the trails west of Bend could be forgiven for making such a mistake. Amid the snow-topped pines are signs that read "Bob Woodward sucks."

The messages are part of anti-Bob Woodward graffiti campaign that apparently has nothing to do with Watergate and the famous Washington Post reporter and everything to do with an outdoor writer in Central Oregon who was once the mayor of Bend.

Signs, warming shelters and even toilets are scrawled with anti-Woodward messages. A new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times, said Linda Frost, president of the Central Oregon Nordic Club, which paid for the shelter.

No one is sure who dislikes Woodward, but the vandal, or vandals, are persistent, skiing far into the woods to get their point across. They even take the time to mark up stacks of maps posted at trail heads.

"It's a puzzler for everyone," said Tom Gibbons, a board member of Tumalo Langlauf Club, another local Nordic skiing group.

Woodward, 68, told The Oregonian newspaper he has his suspicions about who the vandal might be, but isn't certain. The writer traces the vendetta to a column where he voiced some support for a proposed expansion of the Virginia Meissner ski area.

Anonymous said...

Skiing vandals scrawling 'Bob Woodward sucks dick'

KATU

Story Updated: Jan 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM PST
By Associated Press

BEND, Ore. (AP) — Richard Nixon did not live here.

But those who enjoy cross-country skiing on the trails west of Bend could be forgiven for making such a mistake. Amid the snow-topped pines are signs that read "Bob Woodward sucks."

The messages are part of anti-Bob Woodward graffiti campaign that apparently has nothing to do with Watergate or the Washington Post and everything to do with an outdoor writer in Central Oregon who was once the mayor of Bend.

Signs, warming shelters and even toilets are scrawled with anti-Woodward messages. A new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times, said Linda Frost, president of the Central Oregon Nordic Club, which paid for the shelter.

No one is sure who dislikes Woodward, but the vandal, or vandals, are persistent, skiing far into the woods to get their point across. They even take the time to mark up stacks of maps posted at trail heads.

"It's a puzzler for everyone," said Tom Gibbons, a board member of Tumalo Langlauf Club, another local Nordic skiing group.

Woodward, 68, told The Oregonian newspaper he has his suspicions about who the vandal might be, but isn't certain. The writer traces the vendetta to a column where he voiced some support for a proposed expansion of the Virginia Meissner ski area.

"It's one individual who just frankly doesn't like me," said Woodward, who has been working in Bend for 30 years.

Last year, an anonymous letter was sent to The Source, the weekly Bend paper that Woodward used to contribute a column to, from a person claiming to belong to a group called KWIT: Keep Woodward in Town. The letter warned that the graffiti would continue if Woodward kept getting published.

After that, anti-Woodward messages were painted in the snow at Meissner.

"Another interpretation is that Bend has grown dramatically, and for people who don't like the change, this is their way to voice opposition," said Cassie Giddings of Bend, president of the Oregon Nordic Club. "And they've decided they want to use Bob Woodward as an example of that."

Anonymous said...

i.e. www.angryoldmenbloggingonbendbubble2.com

See the difference

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We try to be subtle around here, but yes, that's is what its about.

We angry old farts have the right to be subtle because we committed no crime, the REHO's are criminal, thus to pay pittance they MUST carry the explicit scarlet letter.

OK

angrybendbitch.blogspot.com

Duncan McGeary said...

Interesting that Bob Woodward has stopped writing for the Source.

Anonymous said...

"Another interpretation is that Bend has grown dramatically, and for people who don't like the change, this is their way to voice opposition," said Cassie Giddings of Bend, president of the Oregon Nordic Club. "And they've decided they want to use Bob Woodward as an example of that."

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Think about the above 'statement', some people in Bend don't like change. They don't like Phils Trail becoming a zoo. They don't like Bend being oversold and over-marketed to every cali that has enough gas to drive up here.

Imagine fucking that. Who in Bend could possibly not want to share our outdoor wonderland to with the calis???

Nobody FORGET that "BOB WOODWARD", is SYNONYMOUS with the SORE, this is what this is all about.

Anonymous said...

Sent you an email re: angry bend bitch. Still not sure about the angry part. Maybe it's already covered here. Plenty of complaining already. If I can be mad as hell here why go the the other blog. Maybe the boyz would prefer not to listen to me.
Either way I will try to limit my comments to stats in hope of prices falling.
Heard a forecast this AM from a leading CO authority, he expects to see listings level off to 1100 about April/May and see a pick up in healthy sales. Maybe he doesn't read blog news or see ahead to the op arm resets. I think we will have ultra high inventory as the NODs kick folks out of their homes. Will those ever be counted into inventory at MLS? Not if they go straight to the auction block. Maybe if they don't sell at auction. That will take awhile. I think inventory will really increase to 1600+ in the summer. If sales remain at 100+- a month and all of the withdrawn listings come back up for sale when the snow melts we are screwed.But I guess we knew that.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Bob Woodward has stopped writing for the Source.

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Yes, its very interesting, and the absolute silence I remember a few weeks ago writing about this story, and predicting it would become one of the biggest story's of the year in Bend.

It will be every bit as big as the clothesline story, and guess what if DVA/VCB is smart they'll spin this story, and make people say "Boy that Bend MUST BE Exceptional if people are threatening the press with exploiting the outdoors".

Remember just a few months ago Outside Magazine called Bend the best mtn-biking in the world, and then we find out the writer was in Bend, then we find out the story was paid for by DVA/VCB ( city of bend ).

Yes, and from everything I know, its NOT one person, its a lot of people, the reason is the forest-service has studied the carvings of "NO BOB" and "BOB SUCKS", and also the writing of such on the maps, and determined its more than one person.

Fascinating story like I said weeks ago NOT because its interesting, but because the city SORE/BULL has done everything possible that nobody know.

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Note the first print I posted came out of the Seattle Times Today. Then KATU picked up the story.

Hardly a story, cuz you all read it here a long time ago, but we're leading the news, and that's what counts.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous MStucker said...

Sent you an email re: angry bend bitch. Still not sure about the angry part. Maybe it's already covered here. Plenty of complaining already. If I can be mad as hell here why go the the other blog.

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Relax be patient,

1.) Please quit using abbreviations, so people know what your talking about.

2.) Please tell your story from the start that would be a good start.

3.) The reason we need you to start your own blog, because we need to have a womens blog here for real-estate women to come clean.

4.) We need a place where women can comment there experiences and not have 50 year old guys going on 12 talk about pussy and their anus.

5.) Please tell your story from the beginning, and assume nothing. Start from the beginning, and tell us about how you saw the Bend real estate business change especially from 2000 to 2006, but also from the time you arrived.

If you have something to share, then share it here or wherever and it will be posted both places, but we need a place where women in Bend can comment, where they're NOT insulted by the boys.

Anonymous said...

Bob's boyfriend comes to defense.

Ya Joe, just send a letter to the BULL, and all will be well in Bend. What a fucking fairy tale. The truth is people are angry, and its classic Oregon earth-first civil disobedience, and republicans just can't stand earth-first, remember this is 'terrorism', these anti-bob folks are TERRORIST's.

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Backcountry Swine Rip Bend’s Bob Woodward

By Joseph Friedrichs, 1-29-08

Bob Woodward, a longtime outdoor columnist for The Source weekly and the former mayor of Bend, does not suck.

That’s why I found it so disturbing last winter to read graffiti plastered in a warming hut west of town that told Woodward “to stay home.” The taunting of Woodward has continued this year, and other signs have been posted in the Cascade wilderness that read “Bob Woodward sucks.”

Aside from the fact that Woodward, 68, is one of the most knowledgeable people about the past, present and future of booming Bend, I consider him to be my friend. And I can say with all degree of certainty that he is not evil, and that he does not suck.

If it weren’t for Woodward’s guidance when I arrived to Bend in September of 2006, I’d likely be writing sports features for the Bend Bulletin in a zombie-like trance or perhaps simply moved on to a hack newspaper just outside of Lincoln, Nebraska. It was Woodward who helped land me a job freelancing for The Source. After that he helped me launch and spread the word about NewWest.Net/Bend. He has more insight to the happenings of development, politics and outdoor adventures than 99 percent of the population in Central Oregon.

The point is, these graffiti artists are not tactful. Destroying beautiful public property is not a creative way to voice one’s opinion. Write a letter to the editor if you’re upset, or else keep your negativity to yourself. Woodward believes the written attacks might have something to do with a column he wrote in The Source where he voiced some support for a proposed expansion of the Virginia Meissner ski area.

According to a story in today’s Oregonian, a new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times by anti-Woodward graffiti. The vandals have even marked up stacks of maps posted at trail heads in the area.

Woodward recently retired from his weekly outdoors column with The Source. And knowing Bob, the last thing he is planning to do is simply stay home. So I’m sorry outdoor graffiti artist of Bend, your message is useless. And you suck. So please stay home.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday we talked about how vcb/dva had pic's of dog's running wild, in violation of bend law. Today the BULL has a story of dogs running wild at work, NOTE you may not have a job, but your dog has a place to go.

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Area offices have gone to the dogs
More Central Oregon firms enjoy the company of man’s best friends
By Laura Moss / For The Bulletin
Published: January 29. 2008 4:00AM PST

In dog-loving Central Oregon, with more than 14,000 dogs licensed throughout Crook, Deschutes and Jefferson counties, it should come as no surprise that some people want to take their four-legged friends to the office with them. Some are lucky enough to be able to.

There are many reasons people may bring their dogs to work. It could be that the dog does not do well at home, but is well-behaved in the office. Or it may be that dogs are a necessary part of the business, as at Ruffwear, the Bend business that creates outdoor gear for dogs. At GreatOutdoors.com, not only is the building conducive to dogs running around, but having the pooches there is also meaningful to the employees.

“Our culture is enormously important to us,” said GreatOutdoors.com Director of Business Development Kevin Bauer, adding that dogs help make it a good environment to work in.

GreatOutdoors.com, a Redmond-based online outdoor-gear retailer, has allowed dogs to be a part of the work environment since it relocated to Oregon from Washington in September 2006.

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With roughly 70 employees, Bauer estimates that on any given day, there will be seven dogs hanging out at their owners’ desks, or taking a quick trip around the 35,000-square-foot building.

Rebecca Larsen, a buyer for GreatOutdoors .com who has been with the company since before the move, says even with a dog-friendly atmosphere, they could not take dogs to work at the Kirkland, Wash., office because the building’s lease disallowed pets.

Larsen got her mixed-breed dog, Cinco, about a year ago from the Humane Society of the Ochocos, when Cinco was a puppy. At first, Larsen didn’t think to bring her pooch to work, but Cinco started escaping from her kennel and Larsen had to find a solution. Another dog was already coming with its owner to work, so Larsen gave that a go.

“She’s been coming in ever since,” she said.

Another regular at GreatOut doors.com is Conner, a slender mixed-breed herding puppy who is not even 1 year old yet. He comes to work with his owner’s mother, Lori Meusec. Conner and his owner, 20-year-old Kalah Meusec, recently moved in with Lori in her home near Terrebonne. Lori now affectionately calls herself “grandma.”

“It’s really cool to be here and bring your dog,” Lori said. When he’s not sitting with grandma, Conner can be seen running through the office area and warehouse, getting some exercise.

Bauer says the dogs get tons of exercise. They can run in the large building and play outdoors as well.

At one point Larsen invited Sa Khyi (SAH-kee), a hairy 13-month-old Tibetan mastiff, to come outside and play with her and Cinco. Sa Khyi’s owner, Damion D’Oyley, unhooked the dog’s leash, and off they went. D’Oyley said he only brings Sa Khyi to work once in awhile. Hauling the 100-pound dog, which isn’t yet full grown, can’t be easy.

When they are outside, Bauer said, the dogs can play fetch and Frisbee in the large yard.

Few issues have risen from dogs coming to work, Bauer said. When one does come up, they discuss it in company meetings, but try not to make rules about what is or is not allowed. He says so far the open discussions have taken care of any problems.

Everybody keeps an eye on the dogs at work, but Bauer emphasized they are the owner’s responsibility.

With so many dogs running around, it may be surprising that they all get along. Some play together when they’re not leashed at their owners’ desks. Others stay with their owner all the time.

“It’s socialized Cinco, like, extraordinarily well,” Larsen said.

Bauer said they have not yet had a problem with dogs not getting along.

“Everyone tends to be really good parents,” Bauer said, explaining that they all take care to make sure that this really is the proper environment for their dog.

A different type of office dog

Chester, a 2-year-old beagle, goes to work with his owner, Ron Johnson, nearly every day at a law firm in Bend. Chester is usually the only dog at the firm, and therefore gets all the puppy love.

“The staff love him,” his owner said.

Johnson, a domestic relations lawyer, is a partner at Stahancyk, Kent, Johnson and Hook. The firm has offices throughout Oregon, including Bend and Prineville. Johnson and Chester live in Prineville with Johnson’s wife, Mary Lou, and the couple’s six cats and one rabbit.

Almost every day, Chester gets into the front seat of Johnson’s car and rides to work. Johnson said this is the toughest part of the day because Chester doesn’t like car rides. But the dog enjoys being at work with his owner so much that both are willing to endure the nearly hour-long drive.

Once at work, “he greets everybody,” Johnson said.

When he’s settled, Chester sleeps in an office chair or at Johnson’s feet. If Johnson goes into another person’s office, Chester follows him and snoozes in that person’s chair until Johnson returns to his own office. After the initial excitement Chester shows in the morning, he spends most of the day finding the best napping spots.

“Just the opposite of what he is in the car,” Johnson said.

At regular intervals, Johnson takes Chester for walks outside. Johnson often takes Chester to Pioneer Park during lunch.

“I throw him the ball,” Johnson said.

Since the times that Chester gets to go out are so regular, Johnson said the dog sometimes starts to get antsy when one of those times is approaching.

“I’m pretty sure he knows the routine.”

Johnson, who has owned Chester since he was a puppy, said he was reluctant at first to bring the dog to work with him since a law firm can be a tense environment. Now, though, he believes that having the dog there helps calm people.

“I think he’s kind of a reality check,” Johnson said.

Johnson is careful with new clients and keeps Chester secluded unless the client approaches the dog. “We are a client-based business and I can’t assume all people are dog people,” he said. “In Central Oregon, so many people are animal lovers and almost everyone has a dog so it is almost never an issue.”

The only time having an office dog hinders Johnson is when he would like to spend his lunch hour running errands. He has to first care for the dog before he is free to do anything else.

Chester goes to work not because he can’t be left at home, but because Johnson believes the dog truly enjoys it. Johnson has days in court when Chester has to stay at home, if he doesn’t go to work with Mary Lou at the Crook County administration office. Johnson said he is just a happier dog on the days he goes to work.

Practical purposes

One Bend company has employees bring their dogs into work simply to help business. Ruffwear designs, which develops and distributes outdoor gear for dogs, is “dog-focused,” said founder Patrick Cruse.

He said each of the company’s 16 employees has at least one dog. A portion of the company’s Web site, www.ruff wear.com, is devoted to showing them off.

Dogs come to work at Ruffwear to help with product research. They do fitting tests, and are sometimes used for making prototypes of new products. Since the employees have all different shapes and sizes of dogs to bring in, it helps them investigate how products will function differently on each type of dog. Cruse said different dogs come in based the product being tested. If it’s a day when a small-dog item is being tested, people with small-breed dogs bring them to work.

However, because their workplace is small, Cruse said they don’t usually have the dogs in there just to hang out.

“If everybody brings their dog in, it’s just mayhem,” he said.

At the businesses where dogs are a regular fixture, those who do bring their dogs seem to really enjoy it. It gives them an excuse to take regular breaks from work, and go outside to get some fresh air — and maybe even a little exercise of their own. None reported any problems that would make them re-evaluate their dog-at-work situation. It’s likely that dogs thoroughly enjoy getting to spend so much time with their masters, as well. What dog wouldn’t?

Anonymous said...

Well guys the 1/2 life of women here, once again proved to be true.

Our MSTUCKER didn't even last two days.

If sally hadn't gotten shot in La-Pine, we still have a women around here who knew something about Bend Real Estate.

Anonymous said...

"Another interpretation is that Bend has grown dramatically, and for people who don't like the change, this is their way to voice opposition," said Cassie Giddings of Bend, president of the Oregon Nordic Club. "And they've decided they want to use Bob Woodward as an example of that."

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Imagine that, Bob Woodward of the SORE is Bend's POSTER-BOY, of "Bend What Went Wrong".

How a desert Island of a town, was promoted 24/7 and became a cali strip-mall.

Now every fucking 'journalist' in Bend is coming to his defense. Are journalists afraid? Do they sense anger in the masses? Is the day of huckster-ism and over-promotion over in Bend??

Anonymous said...

Our MSTUCKER didn't even last two days.

>>>

She really didn't seem that bright.

No loss.

Anonymous said...

According to a story in today’s Oregonian, a new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times by anti-Woodward graffiti. The vandals have even marked up stacks of maps posted at trail heads in the area.

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FYI, guys another 'food for thought' on this is the Noreen was burnt down to crisp last year, me humble opinion it was an accident, but me very surprised the Nazi's running this town, don't just come out and suggest that it was deliberate?? This would be wonderful door for the wild call of 'terrorism' in Bend, and perfect way for the status quo to rescue Bend.

Straight out of Adolf Hitler's playbook, reichstag fire, ...

Find the Jews responsible for "Bob sucks", ...

Take the pain off the masses mind, and hell we all know Bend's terrorist are the cause of the Bend Bubble.

Anonymous said...

Not dead quit yet boyz. Just working a new blog. One you may see here.
http://bendbitch.blogspot.com/

I may not be too bright, but do you no what? I am no loss.
I'll be around.

Bewert said...

Re: not dead yet

Good on yah!

"Don't get me wrong..I am not leaving....just bitchin."

Promising start. Maybe Buster will put you on his blog roll once you get going. If we get more RE folks talking reality, it is going to help.

Bewert said...

OK, this Bob and Joe stuff is just getting too rich. Joe, who came here last fall, owes his freelance job to Bob, comes to Bob's defense.

So how many time you think Joe has been up on the XC trails?

Three? I think that would be optimistic. Do you think he has actually been in the rebuilt warming hut?

I mean, I'm a fucking newbie, three years in a few weeks, and I would never presume to write such BS.

My prediction: "BOB AND JOE SUCK..." graffiti.

Of course, since it all seems to be snark, pay no attention to the above. I'm just spreading more rumors and innuendo.

Bewert said...

Re: dogs at work.

Trudy just got back from the Outdoor Retailer Show in SLC, where rumor was that greatoutdoors.com aka altrec.com is up for sale.

Bewert said...

Bilbo or BandBust, do you have the URL for the original sale sheet for JR, from the county to the city?

Can't seem to find it anymore on the city website.

Anonymous said...

G'night boyz

Anonymous said...

Blogger bruce said...

Bilbo or BandBust, do you have the URL for the original sale sheet for JR, from the county to the city?

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Yes, my precious its the second to the last at bendbubble.blogspot.com

Its about time you go back to 1990 you smelly cunt.

I have told you since the beginning this is the key to the puzzle. The people who sold JR to the city of Bend (sic) were adamant, about the terms, you track down these old geezers, and then you are doing something.

Just kidding bruce-pussy, you have the sweetest pussy in Bend, 'smelly cunt' came from Homer, never from me, I never met a smelly cunt, they all smell like roses to me.

xxxx0000xxxx

Anonymous said...

http://bendbubble.blogspot.com/2007/11/juniper-ridge-is-dead-long-live-les.html

It's above bruce, the PDF in TIFF format of the bill of sale for $1, and the terms transfer of JR from county to city of Bend (sic).

p.s. If the fucking cunts running this pathetic fucking city took this PDF off their site, all I can say is thank go for google.

Anonymous said...

"head bitch"

Does this mean we'll all get head now?

I think this is all getting too rich.

We don't call them REHO's for nothing.

Anonymous said...

Three? I think that would be optimistic. Do you think he has actually been in the rebuilt warming hut?

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Bruce,

This might fucking shock you, but I go xc ski for six hours everyday, and I have since Nov, before that I mtn-bike everyday, what I'm saying is I'm not afraid of your wife.

That said, I doubt Joe ever has been up there. Have you??

So what. This is not the point, I wrote about this on Duncans blog a bunch 2-3 weeks ago, my bitch was that the story wasn't being covered locally, now its a national story. So typical of Bend, play Ostrich, and the result, a molehill becomes a MTN, fucking pathetic. For ALL the PR/Marketing these cunts pay for "Image Advertising" you would think that they wouldn't have Dildos running the gig.

Joe is an old fart just like 'BOB' remember "NO BOB" is 70, when was he last skiing? It's not the point.

The point is that these fuckers have huckstered Bend for 20+ years, and now the shit has hit the fan, and they're all covering each other ass. My guess is Bob's legacy is fucked.

Nobody in Bend would quote the KATU version, did you notice they had to go to PDX, and get someone from the 'Oregon Nordic' to say, "Well maybe someone is angry about the way Bend has been WHORED for 20+ years".

Fucking amazing, ...

Don't do your normal wash away liberal progressive cunt thing on this story bruce-pussy, its not going away, and your right its going to get worse, and exactly going to get worse because NOBODY in this fucking town will admit culpability.

Getting in this debate with you is like yelling at a fucking door-knob, you just got off your VW bus from SLC, like your going to fucking fix Bend.

Anonymous said...

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‘Economic malaise’ spreads to Prineville’s Main Street
By Jeff McDonald / The Bulletin
Published: January 30. 2008 4:00AM PST


PRINEVILLE — The sting of the U.S. housing market slowdown has spread beyond this town’s wood products industry to its stores on North Main Street, according to shop owners and government officials here.

Several businesses on the street, including the Iron Butterfly, Iron Butterfly Cafe and the Robin’s Nest, have closed in the last few months. Other shops on the block are struggling and still more with slower business than normal for this time of year.

“We’ve seen a steady uptick in unemployment and are continuing to suffer an economic malaise,” said Crook County Judge Scott Cooper. “We are heavily dependent upon manufacturing and wood products manufacturing. The housing slowdown whacked Prineville hard. Home building and construction are both huge parts of the economy.”

Those businesses that serve tourists have been less successful than businesses that sell essentials to locals, Cooper said.

“The retail sector is not healthy — it’s been a little rough, especially for those boutique shops that do well when the economy is up, but don’t do so well when the economy is down,” Cooper said. “The irony is that we still see a large volume of traffic going up the hill to Redmond or Bend.”

Crook County posted a 7.3 percent unemployment rate in December, up from 5.9 percent in December 2006, according to the Oregon Employment Department.

The number of building permits issued for single-family homes countywide dropped from 79 in the fourth quarter of 2006 to 19 in the fourth quarter of 2007, a 76 percent decrease, according to “The Central Oregon Housing Market Letter,” a monthly report published by Cascade Central Business Consultants.

Despite the economy’s slowdown, the city has several businesses that have opened in recent months, including the Pine Theater, said Brian Iverson, owner of The Iverson Group, a strategic marketing firm. Iverson also is a Prineville-Crook County Chamber of Commerce board member and president-elect of the chamber’s board of directors.

“It’s always been a tough sector, but strong retailers and more diligent business owners have always done well,” Iverson said. “If they’re not focused on the locals and they are only focused on tourists, the business will fail.”

High rents are a consideration for some business owners leaving downtown, said Jim Lane, owner of Prineville Men’s Wear, which has been in business south of Third Street, on Main Street, since 1950.

“A lot have moved to lower-priced locations,” Lane said. “It’s (also) tougher today in Prineville for small businesses because Redmond and Bend are so overbuilt,” he said. “The big-box stores like Lowe’s and Wal-Mart pull people and have so much more merchandise.”

Lowe’s, The Home Depot and Wal-Mart Supercenter all have opened in Redmond since mid-September.

Lifelong Prineville resident Lucy Woodward and her daughter, Crista Porfily, decided to open a new women’s apparel store, Riches & Rags, in the old site of the Robin’s Nest because they felt the downtown area needed a boost, Woodward said.

“Everything started closing down,” Woodward said. “The problem with the town is that everybody thought Prineville was going to boom — so they bought property, fixed up the buildings, and asked for the rent prices that they would get in downtown Bend.”

The shop will try to sell affordable, quality clothing for average-sized women, Woodward said. It will not compete with other clothing stores that sell to teens and will not sell Western wear, she said.

Next door to the future women’s apparel store, the Tumbleweed Critters Pet Store has seen business slow to a trickle, said owner Tanya Selby.

She takes blame for some of her shop’s slowdown, saying she has not been able to pay for all of her customers’ order requests due to lack of available cash.

“When you’re making $100 per day, it’s tough to pay the bills,” Selby said. “Like most everybody, I threw in all my life savings and have done everything to keep the business going. We’re just creeping by.”

Selby has made ends meet by working a second job at night as a caregiver in Prineville, she said.

Her dog groomer, Ronna Swan, was one of 55 employees at Prineville’s wood products manufacturer Contact Industries to lose her job this month.

Swan replaced her full-time production position, which paid $10.30 per hour at Contact, with a waitress job at a local restaurant that pays minimum wage plus tips, she said.

“My son has been looking for a gas station job for four months,” Swan said. “He’s gone to every station from Prineville to Terrebonne and every one has said, ‘no.’”

Tough market


The Robin’s Nest, a former home decor shop which was shuttered Dec. 31, closed when the building’s owner wanted to raise the rent and sales continued to decline, said Dave McCoy, its former owner.

The job market is tougher than he remembers.

“I haven’t made out a résumé in 20 years, but I’m making one out now,” he said.

The Iron Butterfly closed in mid-October due to a slowdown in business and also so the Bend owner could move her business closer to where she lives. She plans to open a similar type of business in Bend this spring, according to Carol Smith, a former employee.

Next door to the furniture store, the Iron Butterfly Cafe, which was owned separately, closed around the same time last year, Smith said.

“The slowdown has just been everywhere,” Smith said. “Everything went downhill. I don’t know why.”

The building boom had given a boost to downtown Prineville, she said.

Business has been tight at times for restaurants in Prineville, including the Garden Bistro, which opened in September, said Mark Smith, the restaurant’s owner.

“A lot has to do with how hard it is to get people out of the habit of going to Redmond or Bend,” Smith said. “Most people, however, just aren’t eating out. They’re spending their money on gas.”

Barney Prine’s Steakhouse & Saloon has seen business drop 25 percent this month compared with January 2007, said Joe Litzinger, co-owner. It has fared better than other restaurants in town, he said.

“There’s not as much spendable income and (with) talk of a recession — people are on the scared side,” Litzinger said. “But this is also the worst time of the year and the (cold) weather has had a lot to do with it.”

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Timmy...

BendBB just got Sex-Spammed. Might wanna blow that stuff away. But let me read about 'Vaginal Exams' first.

That there's Real News.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

‘Economic malaise’ spreads to Prineville’s Main Street

Thanks for that one!

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...


“The slowdown has just been everywhere,” Smith said. “Everything went downhill. I don’t know why.”


Again: It's called the largest Real Estate Bubble EVER, in a region that participated more than almost anywhere on Earth.

To quote my sad ass again:

"It'll spread to ever corner of our local economy, and leave a path of total and utter destruction."

Wanna know what'll happen to Central Oregon? Read this piece. It's probably already happening in Sisters also... just not being reported.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Own some commercial property in downtown Bend, and want to ensure not only your personal financial destruction, but the implosion of downtown as well?

Here's how, in one easy sentence!

The Robin’s Nest, a former home decor shop which was shuttered Dec. 31, closed when the building’s owner wanted to raise the rent and sales continued to decline, said Dave McCoy, its former owner.

We are, of course, running at warp speed towards this scenario. Delusional commercial property owners raising rent in the face of plummeting sales; happening in every Central Oregon town. Of course, "marginal" locales like Prineville, Sisters, and all of Jeff County will be slammed hardest & first. But believe me, it's on it's way to Bend, and it'll take us straight to The Bad Old Days. Downtown will soon NOT be worth even going to. Mountain View Mall Effect.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

“When you’re making $100 per day, it’s tough to pay the bills,” Selby said. “Like most everybody, I threw in all my life savings and have done everything to keep the business going. We’re just creeping by.”

Start a blog, dear.

BestMinimumWageJobAGalEverHad.blogspot.com

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Just did a search on the County site for "Notice of Default and Election to Sell" records for January to date.

77

Well over the number of new sales.


Bruce, this can't be possible in Bend OR! Land of milk & honey, and hot and cold running millionaires who own 19 houses outright!

How could this have possibly changed since the Bulletin reported it 6X/day one year ago?

Oh right. It was never true. This place is 75% GED-educated rednecks that like getting plastered & riding their snowmobiles down Greenwood at 80mph.

I somehow keep forgetting that before the Patty Hearst Community College of Peer-Pressure Marketing shut down, that making false claims about vast fields of millionaires owning a mind-boggling number of Guaranteed 30% appreciation meth-shacks, was a line used to sell homes to nurses, delivery boys, and coma patients by Bulletin reporters.

Now, of course, we are finding that the vast billionaire set (remember the persistent rumor spread on this very blog about Donald Trump "buying up Bend property"?) has never existed, it was just the top 25% of Bend -- the rednecks were out getting DUII's on their snowmobiles -- buying 3 or 4 homes, with the mantra pounded into their skulls that the $10K negative cash flow would EASILY take care of itself through vast & never-ending 30% appreciation.

We're dead.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Sisters housing market has taken a beating


By Joseph Duerrmeyer

The Sisters housing market has not escaped the national plunge that has put the country on the verge of recession. Yet, there are also flashes of activity here that seem to defy logic, resulting in a lot of head scratching by those who are trying to make some sense of the local market.

According to the statistics provided by the Central Oregon Association of Realtors (COAR), total sales in the Sisters residential market are down 40.46 percent from the heady days of 2005 and down 24.27 percent since last year. Sales of homes with acreage in the greater Sisters area have also been hit hard, with sales volume down 29.41 percent since last year.

The sales of land and lots has really taken a beating. Sales volumes are off 89.47 percent since 2005 and 71.43 percent from last year.

"The statistics don't really tell the story," said Kevin Dyer, a principal at Ponderosa Properties, LLC. "We have sales that are about 2002 levels, but since houses are about twice as expensive as they were in 2002, it means actual volume is about half of the 2002 figures."

Although there has been some attrition among Realtors in the area, most are still hanging in there hoping for better times.

"We really haven't seen many fade away, although a few have gone on to other things. Some, I know, are struggling, and I would guess that there may be some area Realtors that decide to drop out of the field later in the month when the annual dues come up for payment," said Peter Storton, the owner of RE/MAX Town & Country Realty.

Geneese Zinsli, the executive director of COAR, agrees with Storton.

"There have been a fairly large number of Realtors that decided not to renew their membership. There were a lot of members that went last year without any sales. The Sisters market appears to be losing less members, but I won't know the exact numbers until the end of the month," she said.

Housing inventory is down, which is initially surprising when considering the current market.

"So many people have taken their homes off the market and will perhaps try it again in the spring when things around here begin to pick up. That is the reason that the inventory is so low," said Dyer.

Storton agreed that many are sitting on their homes waiting for better times.

"I have told my clients: 'Don't sell your home now unless you have to. It is a buyer's market, and you would be much better to wait until things turn around,'" he said.

In spite of dismal sales in some areas, the quality market is still showing some activity.

"I think the people who are looking for more upper-end homes are less affected by the tightening of the mortgage market and are taking advantage of the buyer's market. Quality always sells," said Dyer.

Both Storton and Dyer believe that the market will just stay flat in the area over the next year or so and are remaining much more optimistic than many economists who believe that the bottom is still a long ways off. However, both expressed some reservations as to the exact timetable for the market turnaround.

There have been some real oddities in the last year.

"Last year, I had the worst nine months of my whole career, but the last three months of the year were the best three months of my career, so it is hard to understand what is really happening with the market," said Dyer.

Adding to the difficulty for area Realtors, the Sisters area has a high percentage of Realtors per capita when compared to similar market communities. This statistic creates a unique set of problems, as there are far fewer sales to go around and many are missing out entirely. For example, the tourist destination of Leavenworth, Washington has only 46 licensed Realtors with a stronger market and a slightly larger community compared to the disproportionate number of 73 Realtors in Sisters.

With only so many sales to go around, something will need to give. One thing is certain, those with staying power to survive the sales drought have a real advantage and will be well poised when the market eventually turns around.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

More Sisters implosion news:

Sign of the times... Community Mortgage closes it doors

By Joseph Duerrmeyer

Community Mortgage has closed it doors on Hood Avenue. The firm's owner Dan Higgins decided closing the business was his best response to current market conditions.

"I owned Community Mortgage Services for 11 years, but I could see the handwriting on the wall and wanted to leave early enough that there would still be a chance at employment in the field. The best thing for me to do was to just shut it down," said Higgins.

The reasons for the decision involved more than just the slowdown of the housing market.

"There were really a lot of factors in the decision. Back in the early summer when things really started slowing down, consumers started to migrate to the banks and away from the mortgage brokers. I actually predicted well ahead of time that the government would step in and start regulating the brokers very aggressively on both a state and federal level," said Higgins, who now is working for Bank of Bend in the mortgage department.

"The new changes would and, as it turned out, made it very difficult for brokers not only to stay in business but also made it difficult to even want to stay in business because of the liabilities and responsibilities that they put on us," he said.

It is not that all the changes were necessarily bad.

"Some of the changes were actually good. Senate Bill 3915, for example, requires that brokers or loan origination officers for banks need to take continuing education hours at the federal level and state level. We also have to register at the federal level so that our number follows us. This makes it difficult for someone to just move to a different state if they create a problem and start over again," said Higgins.

However, some of the new regulations make it very difficult for independent brokers.

"They want to put the liability back on the broker if he doesn't provide the lowest loan rate and the consumer later defaults. It is very difficult for brokers who have access to hundreds of loans and each of the rates changes as many as three times per day. If the broker makes a loan and the consumer later defaults and the loan was perhaps an eighth of a percent higher than who ever was the lowest that day, which might only amount to a $20 difference in payment, the broker is liable for the default," said Higgins.

Another factor that complicates life for the independent broker has also emerged.

"They want to get rid of Yield Spread Premiums which is also called YSP. This is the way that a lot of banks and brokers get paid. For example, if the loan is at five-and-a-half percent and I sell it at six percent, there is a premium that becomes a commission or can be used for other things. I sometimes use this as a tool to pay closing costs, as sometimes consumers don't have the cash to pay the closing costs for a refinance or a first home, and this can be a good tool in the right circumstances," said Higgins.

The housing slowdown is affecting all areas of the mortgage industry, according to Higgins.

"Don't get me wrong. There is still a lot of good business out there, but volumes are way off in all areas: new sales; refinance; equity management; construction - everything is down. I think the media is somewhat to blame for the market as it has made buyers overly cautious, not that the market wasn't overpriced, but the media has really focused the attention on it, and that made a big difference," he said.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

"There were really a lot of factors in the decision. Back in the early summer when things really started slowing down, consumers started to migrate to the banks and away from the mortgage brokers. I actually predicted well ahead of time that the government would step in and start regulating the brokers very aggressively on both a state and federal level," said Higgins, who now is working for Bank of Bend in the mortgage department.

Illustrates why the Strong will get Stronger. When all those piss-ant Priney shops shut down, people fire up the resume machine to go work at Lowes & Wal-Mart. All the busted mortgage brokers are headed to Wells Fargo.

If you can last 10-15 years eating canned beans, you'll be kicking ass in the Bend RE brokerage trade. Just remember to throw the decaying corpses of your co-workers into the Deschutes River....

Anonymous said...

Bilbo, are you the asshole who's been defacing public property with those "NO BOB" tags? You seem sociopathic enough -- and infantile enough.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

This really is a MUST READ piece about how America is becoming increasingly dependent on Bubbles as a systemic part of our economy. AWESOME!

A mind-blowing machine
In America, land of the bubbles, the next pop will be the biggest



By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
Last update: 1:12 p.m. EST Jan. 29, 2008

(MarketWatch) -- Three cheers! Wall Street's got a new rally song: "I'm dreaming dreams, I'm scheming schemes, I'm building castles high."
Actually it's the 1919 tune that launched the roaring run-up to the '29 crash and the Great Depression. Remember the lyrics: "I'm forever blowing bubbles. Pretty bubbles in the air. They fly so high, nearly reach the sky. Then like my dreams they fade and die."

And it still fits today! Listen to venture capitalist Eric Janszen's scary new paradigm in "The Next Bubble," a Harper's Magazine report: "That the Internet and the housing hyperinflations transpired within a period of 10 years, each creating trillions of fake wealth, is, I believe, only the beginning."
Translation: The next bubble is already expanding. Now listen very closely as Janszen makes the single most dangerous prediction of 2008: "There will and must be many more such booms, for without them the United States can no longer function. The bubble cycle has replaced the business cycle."

After the collapse of the 1990s dot-com bubble we laughed at all the hype they had spewed: "This time it's different." "New paradigm." "New economy that only went up."
Well, stop laughing: The new, new came true, says Janszen. Seriously, the economy and the stock market can no longer function without an ever increasing series of bubbles, one after another, rapidly expanding then bursting, with all the manic trading, risk, uncertainty, hypervolatility and distortions that come with it.
Janszen traces bubbles through history: From the 1720's South Sea Bubble to the housing-subprime bubble. Bubbles are accelerating, becoming more frequent, a frenzy feeding on itself: "Nowadays we barely pause between such bouts of insanity. The dot-com crash of the early 2000s should have been followed by decades of soul-searching; instead, even before the old bubble fully deflated, a new mania began to take place."
What's so scary is not that the subprime bubble was happening so fast on the heels of the dot-com bubble, not that the pundits, the public and the policy makers all appeared to be ignoring it. What's really scary is that our best and brightest leaders in Washington, Wall Street and Corporate America wanted to create a bubble! They even threw jet fuel on this raging fire with cheap money, favorable taxes and minimal oversight.
Of course the Treasury and the Fed will never admit it, but they saw the housing bubble as a healthy economic necessity in their warped ideology! In their myopic minds, the housing bubble was the messiah "saving" America from a big, bad bear/recession.
Publicly they denied the bubble's toxicity, dismissing it as "regional froth." Privately, they conspired to create a massive new bubble driving America deep into debt.
'New economy' morphs into out-of-control robot
This new ideology is extremely dangerous: It assumes the American economy can no longer be managed by politicians or Wall Street quants. The "new economy" has a life of its own, a "Terminator" from a dark future, an "I, Robot" from Asimov's sci-fi world.
Yes, our economy has become a self-sustaining "bubble-blowing machine" inventing new bubbles at warp-speed even before the last is buried, in endless reincarnations of Schumpeter's "creative destruction" cycles.
What's next? More asset-backed bubbles. The dot-com '90s created $7 trillion in market value. The housing boom created $12 trillion in "fake wealth." Janszen predicts the next great bubble will be a $20 trillion "alternative energy" bubble. In fact, Wall Street's already hustling biofuels, solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal and hydroelectric as the new alternative energies destined to replace oil, gas and coal in this next new economy.
Timing? The new "alternative energies" bubble will last about 8 years, from a 2005 launch till a peak around 2013, when it will "creatively destruct," when all possible "fake wealth" is squeezed out, when investors wise up to the scam, when that new bubble pops.
In his finale, Janszen admits that when the "alternative energy" bubble finally self-destructs around 2013, "we will be left to mop up after yet another devastated industry," while Wall Street "will already be engineering its next opportunity."
But be warned: Even before we near the end of the "alternative energy" bubble, the law of unintended consequences could trigger a meltdown, not of the bubble but of the "bubble-making machine" itself! The machine will implode, taking down Wall Street, Washington, Corporate America ... and with it, the "new economy," the "new paradigm" and the "bubble-making machine!"
'Black Swan' self-destructs 'shadow banking' derivatives
The trigger? A "black swan" off the radar and invisible to the quants managing the world's derivatives.
The brilliant supertrader and risk manager Nassim Nicholas Taleb says a "black swan" is an extremely rare, improbable event (like 9/11) that cannot be predicted, yet has catastrophic impact. Black swans are events outside the vision, experience and technology of the world's derivative traders' geniuses.
What will the black swan destroy? How about the derivatives market that spreads so far beyond subprime loan obligations.
Pimco's Bill Gross warns that $500 trillion of derivatives are hiding in a "shadow banking system" that "craftily dodges the reserve requirements of traditional institutions and promotes a chain letter, pyramid scheme of leverage ... with no requirements to hold reserves against a significant 'black swan' run that might break them."
Derivatives have become a renegade army of "I, Robots." "According to the Bank for International Settlements ... total derivatives amount to over $500 trillion, many of them finding their way onto the balance sheets of SIVs, CDOs and other conduits of their ilk comprising the Frankensteinian levered body of shadow banks."
Shadowy? Pyramid schemes? Frankenstein? Terminator? Black swan: Gross paints a much darker future than Janszen: "The last two decades alone have witnessed pyramid schemes involving savings and loans/junk bonds, the small investor/dot-coms, and now global bonds/subprimes ... in each and every case the originator of a surefire 'can't miss' concept collected huge premiums from a willing investment public, only to see the pyramid collapse either of its own merits or from the lack of additional gullible investors. There will be more to come, much like a regular university that welcomes a never-ending stream of new 'students' who pay annual 'tuition' to be 'educated.'"
Higher truth
Never-ending: Gross and Janszen agree on that. But they're both wrong. The biggest flaw in Janszen's argument: "Given the current state of our economy, the only thing worse than a new bubble is its absence."
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Remember, this new paradigm assumes that the only way the American economy can exist in the future is if Wall Street's greedy "bubble-blowing machine" keeps feeding on itself, creating an endless, accelerating succession of ever-bigger bubbles.
Folks, that's one of the dumbest economic theories ever, silly "new age" magical-thinking touted as a scientific basis for the new self-indulgent ideology of Wall Street, Washington and Corporate America.
There's a higher truth: The best (not worst) strategy would be to let the "bubble-blowing machine" implode, live with the absence of a new bubble for a while, then quietly step back and reassess our unsustainable "growth-at-all-costs" economic policies that are secretly designed to benefit the self-interests of Wall Street's insiders who profit by endlessly blowing bubble after bubble ... after bubble ... after ....

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Anyone else know people who are just working like dogs to pay mortgages on 100% vacancy rental homes they bought back in the day? I know several people like this.

These people are just weary as hell, working non-stop to feed a massive negative monthly cashflow on 1 or more properties they had no business buying. Some are renters! Yet they own EMPTY rental homes. Someone tell me how that works. I know of a person who rents here to pay for owned homes too far for her to commute to her job.

Sad to see these people just feeding the beast while their homes sit on the market with ZERO traffic cuz they are priced way too high, but the cash strapped owners are unable to do a sale at a lower price.

These poor bastard are literally living paycheck to paycheck, and even shorting $50 would cause them to not eat & have no gas money. Car, health & home insurance is already long gone.

House rich, cash poor.

LavaBear said...

Last night Erin Burnett on CNBC had a show about people in debt and how to get out. Ummmm sell the house (short sell) and quit it with the credit cards. Then I realized that the majority of Americans who bought into the bubble in the last few years are just like these people.

House leveraged and dirt ass broke.

Anonymous said...

dartagnan said...

Bilbo, are you the asshole who's been defacing public property with those "NO BOB" tags? You seem sociopathic enough -- and infantile enough.

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I wouldn't waste my time. If I were to 'mark', this is what I would do with a spray can, ... All over downtown Bend.

"The end is near"

"Bend is fucked"

"If its tourist season, how come we can't shoot them"

"Dont' BEND my town"


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I don't give a FLYING fuck about 'bob', he just an old coon that wrote for free in the SORE blowing his own horn, not much different than the lot of us,...

I actually don't like 'personal' attacks, I thinks it better to attack concepts, like growth, & greed, ...

To me 'NO BOB' is a nobody, but obviously there is a lot of people in this town, hate him for over-selling Bends 'secret' spots.

Shit in my humble opinion where do you start?? I mean if we were to punish everyone in Bend, that over-sold, and over-hyped this remote desert Island, if we were to run them all off, this place would be a ghost town.

p.s. thanks for 'infantile', I would rather be child-like, than a cantankerous old curmudgeon.

I'm far from a sociopath, I care about people, and this town. The 'sociopaths' are the people running this town, like Friedman, robbing people with the full power of law enforcement at their side.

Anonymous said...

Our GOLF COURSES will soon be free. You all know that we have 24 resort golf courses (EDCO).

You all know that we're having another dozen come online this year ( tetherow,... ).

There are 150k people in this region, and 10% of them golf once in a while, and the tourists aren't coming anymore. SOLUTION GOLFING FOR FREE. There are a dozen story's today in the press about TOO MANY FUCKING GOLF COURSES. Imagine that?? Who would have guessed?

Anonymous said...

here is the BULL version of the golf problem, next is the BIG-ZERO version

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Public or Private
For Central Oregon golfers, there's great daily fee courses, but belonging to a private course is no longer unattainable
By Zack Hall / The Bulletin
Published: January 30. 2008 4:00AM PST

Private country clubs aren’t just for golfers in bad pants anymore.

In fact, the barriers to entry at some private clubs are far fewer than what many might expect, though the price can still be prohibitive for many (golf writers included).

But because access to most private clubs is much easier to obtain — especially in middle-tier private clubs such as Bend Golf and Country Club, Awbrey Glen Golf Club or Broken Top Club — than to, say, the invite-only Augusta National Golf Club, the option of private golf is worth considering.

Central Oregon is fortunate to have more than its fair share of acclaimed golf courses, both private and daily fee golf courses (privately run golf courses that are open to the public).

But those golfers who play daily fee courses often wonder what happens inside the gilded gates of these private golf courses.

Golf is the main draw for most private club members. But if golf was the only attraction, then the price difference between private and daily fee courses wouldn’t make a lot of sense to most.

But many private clubs also offer swimming, child care, athletic facilities and, most importantly, social events for their members.

Whether the offerings are worth the cost depends, of course, on the financial means of each golfer, how many rounds that golfer expects to play, and whether the social events are an attraction.

“If you just add dollars to dollars, comparing playing golf at a private club and the dues, it’s probably not going to be the same (as the less-expensive daily fee courses),” says Tim Fraley, head professional at Awbrey Glen. “When you get into a private club, you’re paying for the extra service and attention that you usually see in a private golf club as opposed to maybe a daily fee. There are benefits such as all the member functions (including bridge clubs and member dinners), a dining room, all the golf events (such as special tournament coinciding with PGA Tour majors, weekly tournaments or member-guest tournaments) or any of the social events where the facility is closed specifically for that event.”

How much to join?

Like most public golf courses, private golf clubs come in many sizes and price ranges.

Awbrey Glen’s initiation fee, for example, is $8,500, and the monthly dues run about $370 per month, says Mark Amberson, the club’s general manager.

Membership at the nine-hole Prineville Golf and Country Club is even more affordable, running as low as $87 per month for a local, with no initiation fee.

On the other hand, Bend’s 36-hole Pronghorn Club requires the purchase of a residence at Pronghorn (fractional-ownership residences start at around $200,000) to become a member at the golf club.

That leaves an option for most income brackets that are already able to afford an expensive game, especially in Central Oregon, where upper-crust daily fee courses such as the Sunriver Resort’s Meadows and Woodlands run $135 for a round during the peak season.

One advantage is that, generally, private courses host fewer golf rounds per day than the average daily fee course, as anybody who has slogged through a five-hour round on a busy daily fee course during summer could attest.

Plus, members usually have the ability to walk on to the course unannounced, grab a golf cart and go.

“There are going to be fewer tee times, and no tee times are required,” says Zach Swoffer, head pro at Powell Butte’s Brasada Canyons Golf Course, which charges $25,000 for a full golf membership after a prospective member has purchased property at Brasada.

“You can just show up and hit the tee, and with that comes a quicker speed of play,” Swoffer says. “The average (for a round of golf in Central Oregon) is probably 4½ hours to 4:45. We are probably closer to four hours, just because of lack of play. Most importantly for the player is that this is their home. There is more of a relaxed feeling and a sense of community and security.”

Each private club’s pricing is different. For instance, Awbrey Glen is technically a nonequity membership, though it does offer a partial refund of membership fees for those who no longer want to be members. Other clubs, such as Broken Top and Bend Golf and Country Club, offer equity memberships, which are typically more expensive but come with partial ownership of the club itself. Bend G&CC, in fact, offers both types of memberships.

Most private clubs also charge monthly dues, and some have monthly minimums on what a member must spend on food at the club or at the golf shop.

It can get expensive, but private clubs do typically offer more to a round of golf than one would ever find at a public course.

Amberson says customer service, accessibility, youth and adult programs, a sense of belonging, social events and activities are what set private clubs apart from daily fee courses.

“The staff gets to know you,” Amberson says. “They know your likes and they know your dislikes. They know that you want your golf bag loaded on a cart like this, with a wet towel (already with) the cart. That’s the one-on-one that you get at a private facility that you don’t get at a public facility.”

Says Brasada’s Swoffer: “For all of us, whether it is Bend, here, Pronghorn, whichever, I think social aspects is usually the No. 1 reason.”

Should you join?

If a golfer can meet the financial obligations associated with joining a private club, then the obvious question becomes: Is it worth it? That, of course, depends on the golfer. Golf lovers who don’t want or need all the social elements of a private club may prefer to stick with the daily fee tracks in the area.

Pat Huffer, the head pro at Crooked River Ranch — which offers annual memberships for as low as $475 for Crooked River Ranch property owners but is a daily fee course — offers some advice to help decide.

Those who can afford to join a private club — but whose entire golf budget would be eaten up by the costs associated with joining — should be particularly careful in going private, Huffer says.

“For me, it comes down to the ability to travel and the desire to play a variety of golf courses versus playing one facility all the time,” he says. “If you do have the ability, it’s nice to get the kids involved in a private membership atmosphere, because most of the clubs will have a junior golf program. It’s a matter of preference, and economics play a big part.”

Thankfully, the decision to join a club permanently does not necessarily mean a huge buy-in to decide. In Central Oregon, private clubs such as Broken Top and Awbrey Glen offer short-term preview memberships that allow prospective members to join for the cost of the regular monthly dues while deciding if the club is right for them.

Golfers who decide to stay with the club past the initial term would then pay the required initiation fee.

“If you are going to buy a new car, you want to test-drive it. That’s what a preview membership does,” says Amberson. “Ten years ago the industry hadn’t even thought of preview memberships. Thirty years ago they just shot you if you brought it up. (It was a) ‘If they can’t afford to join us, we don’t want them here,’ kind of mentality. But a preview membership is a helluva smart way to go.”

Fraley says if you choose to go private, you want to choose a club in which you feel comfortable with the existing members. It also should have the amenities that you want, and a golf course that has enough variety that you won’t feel bored playing it over and over again.

“They should be looking for a place that they can call home, a place they can feel comfortable to go to day in and day out and enjoy all the amenities offered without any hesitation,” Fraley says. “It needs to be a place that they can go to and enjoy, have fun, go home at the end of the day and sit back, read the (news)paper and say, ‘Man, that was a good day.’ ”

And if you don’t find the right club for you or decide that private clubs simply aren’t for you, well, there are plenty of daily fee courses to keep you occupied throughout the summer.

“I imagine there are some (golfers) that don’t want to be a part of private clubs,” Swoffer says. “There is definitely a lot of benefits to both (private and daily fee courses).

“Honestly, Central Oregon is pretty unique because there are so many golf courses. There are, say, 150,000 people in Central Oregon, and you’ve got what? Thirty golf courses. So you know what? It’s not a bad deal just to get up each Saturday morning and play a different golf course for a fraction of the cost. There are a lot of options there.”

PopGoesBend said...

Defaults: 77

Well over the number of new sales.

Bruce, this can't be possible in Bend OR!


It IS possible, it just hasn't happened yet. That website is county wide and includes Bend, Redmond, Sisters and LaPine. Of the properties receiving notices I see quite a few that aren't in Bend.

Maybe next month.

Anonymous said...

Now here is the Oregonian (big-zero) of he above BULL on GOLF, note that NOW in exceptional BEND, that EVEN a dumb fucking MORON liek "RODNEY" we begged to golf. Too many golf courses, and what the fuck to do with them? You can't sell houses or golf in Central Oregon.

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You too can join Bushwood Country Club just like Rodney Dangerfield
Posted by The Oregonian January 30, 2008 06:56AM
Categories: Central Oregon

Interesting story in the Bend Bulletin about how mere mortals can join some of the private golf clubs out that way. Subscription may be required to read the story.

Like most public golf courses, private golf clubs come in many sizes and price ranges.

Awbrey Glen's initiation fee, for example, is $8,500, and the monthly dues run about $370 per month, says Mark Amberson, the club's general manager.

Membership at the nine-hole Prineville Golf and Country Club is even more affordable, running as low as $87 per month for a local, with no initiation fee.

On the other hand, Bend's 36-hole Pronghorn Club requires the purchase of a residence at Pronghorn (fractional-ownership residences start at around $200,000) to become a member at the golf club.

That leaves an option for most income brackets that are already able to afford an expensive game, especially in Central Oregon, where upper-crust daily fee courses such as the Sunriver Resort's Meadows and Woodlands run $135 for a round during the peak season.

One advantage is that, generally, private courses host fewer golf rounds per day than the average daily fee course, as anybody who has slogged through a five-hour round on a busy daily fee course during summer could attest.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Happy Buster?

There's your 300 comments!

:-)

Anonymous said...

Anyone else know people who are just working like dogs to pay mortgages on 100% vacancy rental homes they bought back in the day? I know several people like this. - homer

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I know lots of realtors that bought all that the credit folks would let them buy, now they're sitting on their 10+ acre Sisters/Tumalo siberian ranchette, with weekend 'cabins' at Brasada/Pronghorn,... that don't RENT as planned. ...

The problem is if these people short-sale they lose everything, and they used their ranchette as collateral, and you know, that if one card falls, they all fall.

There is NO doubt homer, that 2008 will be the year of DEFAULT in central-oregon. Note these 'investors' will short-sale their priny,madras,siberian shit, ... first before their Bend/Sisters.

Too many people bought too much shit 2002->2005, and by 2006 the income was gone, ... 401k going, ... nothing coming in, ...

Bend SURE as shit never attracted wealthy people they attracted flippers, and dreamers, ... and now its all a nightmare.

I'm not going to even think about all the secretarys at title-companys I know that bought 'investment' at NWXC, ...

Homer, no matter how negative people think we are, its going to be ten times worse.

Anonymous said...

Homer,

In regards to 'loss', its my feeling that a 1,000 realtors came from AZ,CA,FL, CO, ... here from 2001->2005 and they bought, and bought, they bought all that MTG would let them buy, and they of course bought with nothing down,

Now that everything is under-water, ...

Read the above Golf-Course implosion carefully, remember that in 1998 the Deschutes County Judge ruled that Golf Courses were ONLY to sell homes in subdivisions. The homes are no longer selling, ... what purpose does anything of now have.

Almost ALL the realtors I know that came up from CALI to get rich, bought Bradada and Pronghorn as a super-investment, they all planned that the rental value would pay.

Homer, do you know what they do now? They go to Pronghorn, and they sit their on the weekends, with no power, and no lights, and enjoy the quiet because its NOT going to last.

Anonymous said...

Over the past five years I met a lot of Realtors at Dechutes, there was a common theme.

Rent cheap at Broken-Top, it was already over-valued, ... but invest in Priny, Madras, Brasada, these were all going to be the next Bend.

Almost everyone in Bend it seemed were 'investing' in remote second homes, the NEWBIES seemed to be buying INFILL in bend,... the people who sold the INFILL were 'doubling their winnings', by buying Madras, ...

Everyone is going to lose fucking everything.

Unless you didn't play the game, which might be as high as 20%

Even today it goes on, there is tons of spec going up right now up at Highlands of Broken-Top, ... Who do they think will buy these homes that ASK over $2M in this economy???

For almost a year I have said, if you MUST buy do it before they kill the credit, soon the banks will be SO SHY of Bend RE it will be impossible to get a loan. What is it really worth??

Ten cents on the dollar? Remember we're a remote desert Island, where all imports are 2-3X.

Anonymous said...

Blogger IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Happy Buster?

There's your 300 comments!

:-)
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It is a record to have 300, in a week, I think its only been broken once before, most notable its only wed ( I know you post sat ), but you had almost 200 on this cycle the first 24 hours.

Something is going on, not sure what, lots of newbie at your site Homer.

I know that OPB has been mentioning these blogs ( OR RE related ), somebody is telling people about them.

Anonymous said...

"There will and must be many more such booms, for without them the United States can no longer function. The bubble cycle has replaced the business cycle."

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Nothing new here, the USA has been driving its economy into the toilet since the 1970's (vietnam war).

An economy that builds wealth from War & Imprisoning.

Note the dollar has been continually going down, since the 1970's.

Nothing new here, and Humpty Dumpty, can't put it back together again.

There are many books that tell the story of empires, civilizations, such as this slowly collapsing, but the story is always the same, their money system goes from gold to paper, and then to worthless paper, they all wake up one AM, and there is NO food, because nobody will send them food in exchange for the worthless paper.

History is a great teacher of how empires of worthless paper end.

I'll list some books later today for those who want to see how great writers from a 100 years ago predicted the collapse of western mercantile economy's ( paper wealth ).

PopGoesBend said...

For almost a year I have said, if you MUST buy do it before they kill the credit, soon the banks will be SO SHY of Bend RE it will be impossible to get a loan. What is it really worth??

I disagree. As credit gets tighter prices will go down. If credit is really hard to get, say 10% of people that would currently be approved still can, we have wiped out a lot of buyers. We will still have the same number of sellers - maybe more. That increases the months inventory and prices plummet.

If you took out a loan now you would need to find someone down the line that would qualify for the loan that could buy it. Risky.

I have a great credit score and a good chunk down (20% for a house I would want in the current market). If credit were to get so bad that we needed 30% down - well, everyone that had less money than me in the bank couldn't buy and prices would come down to meet us.

Bring it on.

tim said...

For anyone bored who enjoys the misery of others, go to www.foreclosure.com, check out bend oregon, go to preforeclosures, then sort by name. You'll see the poor bastards going down thanks to multiple bad RE investments.

Some people really shot the moon. Check them out on DIAL. They were buying several houses at the top, gaming multiple (willing) lenders.

Bewert said...

Re: Storton agreed that many are sitting on their homes waiting for better times.

"I have told my clients: 'Don't sell your home now unless you have to. It is a buyer's market, and you would be much better to wait until things turn around,'" he said.


In a few years...

Bewert said...

Anybody else see the article on snowplowing cost this morning? I don't see it in front of the firewall, so this is a summary:

Originally, Dept. of Public Works budgeted $280,000 for snowplow contractors, on top of their own trucks and crews. During the December budget cuts, that was reduced to $152,000. As it hadn't snowed yet, the Steets Division was hoping it would be a dry winter.

Then it started snowing. The Jan. 8 storm resulted in $92,838 in contractor plowing bills from six contractors. Last Sunday night, a dozen contractors were called in at a cost expected to be at least $150,000 more. Then we had yesterday's storm, which isn't mentioned except for this wierd sentence: "On Tuesday, (manager of the Streets Division Hardy) Hanson heard that as much as 12 inches of snow could fall, but the city received just a one-fifth of an inch."

These extra snow removal costs are going to be have to come from the divisions contingency fund, which has dwindled to $1.5 million.

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It was closer to twelve inches where I live above the Old Mill.

I've been reviewing the budget with an eye to what will happen if revenues continue to drop. Year to date, was of 12/31, we were down 11%. For December alone, we were down 21%. Some of the individual parts of the budget are way down:
-Building Fund, down 14% for year, 49% in December alone.
-SDC Revenue Fund, -12%, -64%
-Planning Fund, -46%, -44%
-Affordable Housing Fund, -33%, -73%
-Tourism Fund, +10%, -42%
-LID Debt Service Fund, -36%, -38%
-LID Construction Find -105%, -105% (yes, you read that correctly--a fund that was budgeted to have $100,000 in it actually is $4,818 in the hole)
-Transportation Construction Fund, -70%, -37%
-Airport Fund, +1%, -20%
-Cemetery Fund, -33%, -36%
-Water Fund, -10%, -34%
-Intra-Governmental Services, -28%, -39%

As can be seen, revenue shortfalls are accelerating. Areas that were doing good earlier in the fiscal year, such as tourism and airport landings, slowed substantially in December. Some funds are downright scary, like Planning and Transportation Construction.

And the Transportation SDC fund has simply gone away. Which is puzzling. Something I need to ask Sonia about.

We are fucked. I don't see anyway out of it. The only thing I can see us doing is to take drastic action in belt-tightening, which is hard to do in public services. Our reserves are limited, and most of them are already earmarked for debt service.

I can easily foresee a scenario where Bend defaults on some of its debt obligations, especially if the trends of the last 12 months continue.

But, hey, things are still rosy enough that we are going to go a few more million in debt (if we haven't already) to finance Knife River's work at Juniper Ridge.

Sometimes I just feel like screaming "What in the fuck are you idiots thinking!?!?!"

Bewert said...

Re: Of the properties receiving notices I see quite a few that aren't in Bend.

Try to do a count. I started but had other things I needed to do. My estimate is about 2/3s are in Bend (i.e. 97701 and 97702)

Anonymous said...

I own a second home in Bend. Too bad the economy isn't doing so well, but speculators drove up prices and inventory and now is the time to pay the piper. Bend will recover. For me, Bend isn't about the town at all, it's about the natural beauty that surrounds it. The downturn is not the end of the world, we are just due for a belt tightening. Not all companies are doing badly. The one I work for had it's best fourth quarter in over five years.

Anonymous said...

The old-timers here are always ranting about the "Calis," but by far the greatest number of immigrants to Central Oregon come from other parts of Oregon -- folks from Portland and the Valley trying to get out of the rain. Where's the anger directed at them?

Quimby said...

>> More Central Oregon firms enjoy the company of man’s best friends

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People and their mother-fucking dogs! Not only do you have to deal with them on the trails, now its work! I am tired of being pressured to like people's mangy slobbering animals. Keep your damned dog away from me unless it wants to see feel the waffle pattern of my White's.

Shit, not everyone likes dogs...and no I'm not a Cali/transplant, just a red-necked bastard. The only dogs I like are the ones that can "hunt em up & point!".

Quimby said...

>> The old-timers here are always ranting about the "Calis," but by far the greatest number of immigrants to Central Oregon come from other parts of Oregon

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It doesn't matter where they came from, its their attitude. As Buster pointed out, did they come here to get away from "IT", or did they come here to bring "IT"? My hunch is that the "California Lifestyle" is posh, spoiling, and seductive....once you've tasted the fruits of other people's labor, it's hard to leave it behind.

Anonymous said...

The Statement that the greatest number of immigrants to CO, came from 'O' is a farce, I know 100's and 100's of newbies, and they're from all over the country, but very few are from other parts of 'O', the sad fact is these people from other parts of 'O' simply couldn't have afforded to move here during the last five years gold rush of RE.


Everywhere I go in Oregon, and mention 'Bend' all I hear is "Its a town of rich people".

The gig is Bend is NOT rich, is just an isolated desert town that costs 2X to live, and everyone assumes you have to be rich to live there, no not rich, just stupid.

Bewert said...

FYI Just did a post further exploring the JR effect on Bend's finances over at http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com/

The closing sentence: "That fateful, illegally noticed last-minute meeting, where by a bare majority our City Council approved a one-sided purchase agreement with Les Schwab, may come back to haunt those who voted "yes" in the next election."

I'll try to get reaction from Sonia and post that as well.

Anonymous said...

Central Oregon come from other parts of Oregon -- folks from Portland and the Valley trying to get out of the rain. - dart

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I always work back-wards, so I hadn't seen the whole statement made by dart and quoted by quim.

This is true, this has been true since the 1960's, since they started Sun-River, folks in the VALLEY ( dat includs pdx ), have came to Bend for sun. All things being EQUAL, those are NOT the folks that made Bend into a Kleptocracy post 2000.

I think Dart's position is more the relativism of hatred towards out-siders, certainly a person with a year in PDX, and then moves to Bend, doesn't make them an Oregonian.

Lastly, as someone who knows Oregon very well, PDX has NOT allowed its self to be covered like Beaverton, on the other hand BEND has allowed itself to become BEAVERTON. Old PDX folks HATE fuckng BEAVERTON, and they know that BEND is BEAVERTON.

It's the cali's that came to intel, nike, ... that made Beaverton into Santa-Ana, San-Fernando, ... If you go to inner SE-PDX mostly all you'll find is 100 year old homes, and old hippy's, that HATE gentrification.

Bend attracted a lot of get-rich quick people from all the normal places CO, HI, CA, all these people believed that BEND was going to be the next Aspen, and you had to get in early, and BUY as much as you can.

Well they bought it, and now they have ran out of suckers.

Anonymous said...

bruce said...

FYI Just did a post further exploring the JR effect on Bend's finances over at http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com/

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Bruce,

Last night during one of my drunken rages about midnight you had said that city had removed the original $1 deed from their website, and asked if I had it, and posted the link.

Is that true, is it really gone??

Anonymous said...

One last comment about dart's comment on the valley.

These people that come from the valley don't live in Bend, they come over to escape the rain, and hot summer.

They come over to Sunriver, black-butt, metolius, hell even sisters, and they have homes in Bend.

But they have been doing this forever, given that they DON'T LIVE in Bend, and thus spend most likely the required two weeks ( US vacation window ), they're NOT the fucking problem.

Anonymous said...

Bruce, Looky here the campaigns for all those empty seats has started. Except for he's been here awhile his resume sounds like yours.


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Jan 30,2008
Don Leonard announces bid for Bend City Council
by Bend Weekly News Sources
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Former Planning Commission Chair and Budget Committee Member Tosses his Hat in the Ring

BEND – Former Bend Planning Commission Chairman, Don Leonard, today announced his candidacy for a position on the Bend City Council. Leonard intends to seek City Council Position 4, a position currently held by Jim Clinton. Clinton has not yet announced his intentions.


Don Leonard announced his candidacy for City Council today - submitted photo
As part of his campaign, Leonard plans to discuss three major areas: affordable housing, fiscal management, and reengaging the community in finding strong effective leaders to run the city.

“With the slump in the housing market there is the time and opportunity for developers and municipalities to work together to tackle the affordable and workforce housing issues. Also, with the depressed housing prices we need to explore ways to help get working families into the housing stock,” Leonard said.

As a community member of Bend, he has been involved in various committees and commission. "It is time I take my experiences and lessons to the next level." He continued, "As a council member I will strive to maintain Bend’s hometown feel with its urban amenities. As chair and a member of the Planning Commission, I understand the importance of smart and managed growth.”

“As a budget committee member I am always learning of the difficulties of the city but believe I can change the standard approach and really start to ask questions this council hasn’t.”

“As a candidate and council person I will maintain open lines of communication with the community and its citizens.” stated Leonard. “I am looking forward to the opportunity to discuss and consider everyone’s vision for the City of Bend."



BACKGROUND:

Leonard works as a Manager/Engineer at CoEnergy, a propane service provider in Central Oregon. He moved to Bend from the San Francisco Bay area in 1987 as a result of a job transfer with Pacific Gas and Electric Company, and was the Area Manager for PGT and subsidiary of PG&E from 1987 until 2000. Leonard has been with CoEnergy since it’s opening in 2001.

Leonard is married to Paula Bradford and has two sons: Adam, 26, and Schuyler, 23. Both sons attend the University of Oregon. He also has three step-children: Gena, a partner in Zerbin-Mills Marketing in Bend; Brendan, 22, a student at PSU; and Rachel, 21, a student at COCC.

Leonard’s community involvement spans 11 years, beginning with a stint as an EDCO Board Member from 1997 thru 2000. He was on the Bend Planning Commission from 1998 thru 2006, was Chair of the Bend Planning Commission during 2003-2004, and graduated in 2000 from Leadership Bend. Leonard was on the Leadership Bend Advisory Committee from 2002-2003, and has served as a Bend Budget Committee member and Affordable Housing Committee from 2007 to present.

He has a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Cal Poly at San Luis Obispo, a Masters of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of California at Berkeley, and a Masters in Business (MBA) from the University of Phoenix. Leonard is also a registered Engineer in both Oregon and California.

In his free time, he enjoys mountain and road biking, and cross-country skiing.

Anonymous said...

The downturn is not the end of the world, we are just due for a belt tightening. Not all companies are doing badly. The one I work for had it's best fourth quarter in over five years.

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Must be related to provisioning prisons, the fastest growing biz in USA.

Bewert said...

Re: Is that true, is it really gone??

No, I manged to find it with some creative searching. It doesn't seem to be linked to anymore, though.

Quimby said...

Buster, what do you have against prisons man? I met my wife there....

Anonymous said...

I disagree.

I have a great credit score and a good chunk down (20% for a house I would want in the current market).

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Eye, Eye, I, I, this is an old debate, but I'll run the argument, because obviously your a newbie.

By the time OUR RE goes down 50%, and it WILL, by that time, no investor will be loaning here, out of fear. YOU must study your history. The more it goes down, and the more people 'under-water' the more likely they are to 'walk-away'. This causes the banks to terminate lending, in a 'dangerous' area.

FYI, during the great-depression (1933) the government finally had to step-in to offer loans, where nobody else would loan, just to end the real estate paralysis.

IT's NOT about YOU, its not about your good credit, its NOT about YOU.

It's ALL about investors, and even today for all the crocodile tears for those 'losing their homes' think about all the people getting penny's on the dollar for the MTG debt they bought.

We're in a solvency crisis. If Bend medians fall 25% and its documented nationally, and we know that the majority in the last six years got zero down loans, that means there is going to be a TON of people walking away. It's HUMAN NATURE, to walk away when your underwater.

YOU might have great credit, and all kinds of other BS, but investors will not make anymore mistakes, because everyone plays that tune when they're applying for a loan, but when your in a house that you owe $500k, and its worth $100k, MOST PEOPLE WALK. Banks know this.

Uncle buster try's to talk history for a reason here, nobody gives a fuck about YOU, its their money, and they're not going to put it at risk, once the Bend median collapses into an unknown territory. Now if & when the government steps in an offers loans in 2 to 3 years to fix the problem, that's another story, but TODAY MTG finance is WALL-STREET, and CW, et-al are OUT OF BUSINESS.

If you want a fucking MTG, you better do it soon.

Anonymous said...

No, I manged to find it with some creative searching. It doesn't seem to be linked to anymore, though.

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I have asked you a 100 times ever so gently to do a full blog on this post it, this is very important, and I never see you go back to this doc, you need to talk with people who wrote it in 1990, and they must mad as hell. Its quite specific on what JR can be used for


1.) Industry ONLY
2.) 100% open public participation
3.) 10% parks

What could be MORE fucking clear bruce-pussy?

Anonymous said...

Blogger Quimby said...

Buster, what do you have against prisons man?

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Hypocrisy.

Long ago von-mises said "the essence of government, is beating, killing, and imprisoning"

Certainly given that USA is military-industrial-complex, and prison-industrial-complex in entirety, I would say that we have achieved government perfection.

Anonymous said...

Happy Buster?

There's your 300 comments!

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If you hold until Sunday for the next post, we might see 400, you could end up in some kind of blogger hall of fame,

Does anyone know the guiness? on this shit?

Bewert said...

Re: Except for he's been here awhile his resume sounds like yours.

No, he sounds like he is already an insider:

"Leonard’s community involvement spans 11 years, beginning with a stint as an EDCO Board Member from 1997 thru 2000. He was on the Bend Planning Commission from 1998 thru 2006, was Chair of the Bend Planning Commission during 2003-2004, and graduated in 2000 from Leadership Bend. Leonard was on the Leadership Bend Advisory Committee from 2002-2003, and has served as a Bend Budget Committee member and Affordable Housing Committee from 2007 to present."

And he got his MBA from the University of Phoenix. Back in the day when I was thinking about an MBA, my scores qualified me for schools like MIT, Berkeley, and Northwestern. And Mayor Abernethy's alma mater, the JFK School of Government at Harvard recruited me pretty heavily out of nowhere--I have no idea why. It seems odd that Leonard ended up at Phoenix considering his earlier education.

Alas, I ended up doing a software startup, learning some hard business lessons about trust and partners, and retreating with my tail between my legs to Alta for ten years. Which ended up being an awfully fun ten years ;)

I don't think anyone could consider me an insider. Especially considering the looks I get from some of our councilors at the meetings.

Nah, I think Leonard will just give us more of the same, because "As chair and a member of the Planning Commission, [he] understand[s] the importance of smart and managed growth."

I'd just like to know how we are going to get out of this financial shitstorm descending on us with as little damage as possible.

Anonymous said...

“With the slump in the housing market there is the time and opportunity for developers and municipalities to work together to tackle the affordable and workforce housing issues. Also, with the depressed housing prices we need to explore ways to help get working families into the housing stock,” Leonard said.

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I can't pass the above up, what is about these cunts, that always have to say, ... WE must put the working POOR into a home of their own! It's not enough they can rent a mansion right now at less than 25% of their take home at NWXC, no they got to be put in a siberian crap-shack that takes 60% of their income.

I say BULLSHIT Leonard, home-ownership has been over-sold, and its going to be years before all this fucking inventory is sold off.

Back in the early 80's in most rural parts of Oregon, you could buy a house for $5,000, just about anywhere at the coast, or rural Oregon, in those days income was about $20k to $30k for people in the valley, out rural it was lower, but the fact was a HOME was less than most people made in a year, now in BEND its 8X for a fucking home, and lots of them are 15X.

When I start seeing homes that are 2X of the working poor's wages, then yes, hell yes I would say BUY, ... but today why the fuck in a negative appreciation market should anyone pay more to own than to buy?

It's fucking INSANE.


Somebody bitch slap these wannabe politicians.

If my Old Oregon comes back, and all these remote siberian homes drop to $50k, then fine, go for it, buy yourself a home.

Bewert said...

Re: What could be MORE fucking clear bruce-pussy?

They discussed the deed somewhat, especially Condition #1, in the Combined Work Session with the County.

The Conditions verbatim:

1) A master development plan be formulated for the property before committing the property to new uses.

2) The development plan be adopted by the City pursuant to an open public process and public hearings and that the plan address the needs of the City and the concerns of the public.

3) Not less than 10% of the parcel be dedicated to public park purposes to be managed by the Bend Metro Park and Recreation District and/or the Oregon State Park Division.

Further, on the third page, it states "...so long as the real property is used for a public purpose".

I don't see anything there about industry-only. The real argument is over what is considered "a public purpose".

Anonymous said...

“With the slump in the housing market there is the time and opportunity for developers and municipalities to work together to tackle the affordable and workforce housing issues. - leonard

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This is just TOO FUCKING RICH, ... blogger fodder ...

This is OUR fucking problem, our city council is ran and occupied by developers. This fucking politician is saying that if we continue to do what we have been doing, problems will be fixed, ....

The developers are only monopolizing city-hall for one reason, and that is to prevent SDC's from being assessed, otherwise they wouldn't even be there.

Perhaps this is all good the city only helps about selling crap-shacks to the working-poor, and developers only care about building more of the same, ... Perhaps once the city goes bankrupt, the developers and city-hall will all go hungry at the same time.

Developers running city-hall is NOT the solution to Bend's problems.

Bewert said...

Re: we need to explore ways to help get working families into the housing stock,

My take on that is:

"We need to explore ways to subsidize the sale of empty housing stock to the working poor..."

More of the same.

Quimby said...

"We need to explore ways to subsidize the sale of empty housing stock to the working poor..." = Spend even more on PR/Marketing to bring them here.

PopGoesBend said...

Uncle buster try's to talk history for a reason here, nobody gives a fuck about YOU, its their money, and they're not going to put it at risk, once the Bend median collapses into an unknown territory. Now if & when the government steps in an offers loans in 2 to 3 years to fix the problem, that's another story, but TODAY MTG finance is WALL-STREET, and CW, et-al are OUT OF BUSINESS.

If you want a fucking MTG, you better do it soon.


That's about the dumbest advice I have heard.

If the market is tanking enough that the banks aren't giving loans - YOU DON'T WANT ONE. That will cause it to go down faster and you will loose 100% of the money you put into the house.


If I were to take out a mortgage right now with 20% down and prices were to drop 14% (figure in sales commissions) I would be underwater on my loan - IF I could find a sucker to buy at that point. I think it will have to take more than loosing 14% for banks not to give loans - we had that last year and they didn't stop lending.

If things get to where banks won't lend than we will see a ridiculous number of foreclosures and REO owned properties that people won't be able to get mortgages on. Banks will sell them at 20 cents on the dollar to get them off their books.

Then my 20% down buys the house as opposed to me loosing 100% of my money and owing more than the house is worth.

Which position would you rather be in? Taking out a mortgage now if you think it's going to be that bad is just stupid.

Quimby said...

>> If you want a fucking MTG, you better do it soon.

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I don't think he was recommending you GET a mortgage....the operative word in that sentence is "you". If you HAVE to have a MTG and lose your ass, you better do it now. If you're smart, you won't want a MTG.

Anonymous said...

Of COURSE taking out a MTG is stupid, I have said that all along, I said "IF YOU HAVE TO BUY A HOUSE". Many people here over the year, bruce, timmy, ... have said they may 'need' to buy a house for tax reasons,...

Nobody should "HAVE to BUY a house", in a falling knife market.

But there are those over the past year, who 'CLAIM' they have to buy a house.

Study HISTORY, once there are MASSIVE foreclosures, and there will be, banks don't loan, and NOTE that banks don't loan anymore and neither does US Gov, in the last few years most lending was done by Wall-Street, aka Country-Wide.

Trouble is nobody wants to invest in country-wide anymore, there has already been a 'run on their deposits'. Money will get tight.

Since we're on the subject, what I have said is that the market will go down until 2012, and probably you'll not see 2005 highs until 2018, thus my opinion is why buy? What we have long said here, is long term, if you intend to stick around then buy, and you can write a low-ball offer today and get -50% of 2005, lots of people will take your offer. Thus if you MUST buy, then buy now.

What I have said six months ago, and I'm still saying now, in a couple of years its going to be very hard to get money for Bend real estate.

Remember this money comes from investors, and NOT uncle-sam. Investor's always look as recent history, and when the -50% bend medians start showing up in the national press, nobody at any corporation is going to be wanted to hold toxic bend shit, its one thing to be dumping it, but folks don't want to be asking "Why are we buying this shit".

In 1929 the US stock market started tanking, and the begin of the US depression, from 1929 to 1932 real estate was in paralysis like todays Bend, buyers weren't buying, and sellers wouldn't drop price.

In the 1933 government got involved and created loans, that jump started the real-estate biz. We're not there yet, look today at the meager transactions, if this continues to get worse these city's like Bend will be begging government to bail them out, but offering loans. Government only does this when investors refuse to risk their money.

To date right now the ENTIRE MTG biz is on hold MTG brokers are going away, banks are being careful, and there is NO jumbo in Bend to speak of.

Sure if you have 20% down, and a good job, and good credit, you can get a sweet 15yr fixed 5% loan, if the house is appraised correctly,... It will not always be this way. For instance appraisals are tough now, and even the county appraisals are high than bank appraisals.

Anyways when there are tons of foreclosures ( and there will ) historically there are tons of people walking away from their MTG, and that freaks out investor's in a local environment. Once walk-aways, go astronomic in Bend, investors will not be willing to buy you MTG.


The whole deal most recently was MTG-brokers bought your loan, an resold it, today there is virtually no market for loans, what I'm saying is that soon a loan that say's "Issued in Bend", will be the kiss of fucking death.

Anonymous said...

Bruce,

Have you looked at his aspect, since we're talking JR today.


Costs for creation of the master
plan prepared by Otak ($174,500) were included in the CDD budget for FY 2003-04

In other words in 2003 city of Bend spent $174k on a master-plan, developed by OTEK, estab local frim, and then shit-canned the plan, in 2005 and started anew with Kuratek. It would be useful to look at the OTAK plan, and see why they had to start over?? and spend so much more money, ... GREED is my bet. New City Council, City Management Flipping....

Bend City Council
June 13, 2005 Council Meeting
Issue Summary
Department: Community Development Staff Member: Brian Shetterly
Juniper Ridge Master Plan – Final Draft Presentation
History:
The Juniper Ridge Master Plan project has been presented for
discussion by Council at a number of meetings over the past 18 months.
The last presentation took place on January 19, 2005, when an early draft
of the preferred master plan was presented.
Background: In late 2003 Council directed staff to prepare a master plan
for land use and development of the City-owned Juniper Ridge property.
The goal was to create a detailed land use and transportation plan to guide
near-term development of the 504-acre Phase 1 area, and a long-term
conceptual plan for the remaining 1,000 acres. Staff obtained a grant from
the Oregon Department of Land Conservation and Development to cover
nearly half of the master plan costs, and hired Otak Inc. to lead the project.
Otak has been working with City staff, a technical advisory committee,
citizens, stakeholders, and others since January 2004 and has completed
work on a final draft plan. That plan and related materials will be presented
to Council during the June 15, 2005 work session. Master plan materials
will be provided to Council prior to the work session.
Discussion of the Issue: The final draft plan is similar to the draft
preferred plan discussed with Council last January. The most significant
change is that the street grid in Phase 1 has been rotated and adjusted, so
that most streets run in a north-south or east-west direction. This shift will
allow for orientation of buildings to take better advantage of solar radiation
for energy production and for more efficient heating and cooling. Phase 1
land uses consist of research and development, light industrial (large lot),
limited light industrial (standard lot) and convenience commercial. About
Staff Review and Recommendation to Council:
Staff recommends that Council receive a presentation from Otak Inc. on the
final draft of a master plan for Phases 1 and 2 of Juniper Ridge.
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10% of Phase 1 area is designated as open space, in use as parks, trails, or
buffers to abutting properties.
The Phase 2 area continues to allocate approximately 150 acres for a future
university east of the COID canal which forms the border for the Phase 1
area. It also proposes a combination of housing, commercial, mixed-use,
and institutional uses on the remainder of the Phase 2 area to the north.
A public facilities plan prepared by Otak identifies needed capital
improvement projects to support full build-out of the site, estimated to
occur between 2006-2025. This plan also identifies a number of potential
revenue sources and financing tools, including SDC’s, reimbursement
districts, public/private partnerships, and urban renewal tax increment
financing. A fiscal impacts analysis for the Phase 1 area estimates total
infrastructure costs (on-site and off-site) for build-out at about $80 million.
Secondary Issues: Before development can begin at Juniper Ridge, the
master plan will need to be formally adopted by City Council as
amendments to the General Plan and the Zoning Map. However, staff is
recommending that these amendments not be considered or adopted until
after a master developer for Juniper Ridge has been selected. This will allow
for any adjustments to the master plan that may be warranted to be carried
out as part of the master developer negotiation process. Staff does
recommend, however, that the Council act at a later meeting this summer to
accept the final master plan by resolution as the basis for eventual adoption
as part of the General Plan and Zoning Ordinance.
Budgetary Considerations: As noted above, development of Juniper Ridge
will have far-reaching fiscal impacts over a long period of time. Cost
estimates and revenue options will continue to be refined as more detailed
analyses take place in connection with selection of a master developer and
consideration of an urban renewal district. Costs for creation of the master
plan prepared by Otak ($174,500) were included in the CDD budget for FY
2003-04 and FY 2004-05, and covered in part by a grant of $74,000 from
the State.

Anonymous said...

All these old arguments rehashed by newbies, how come none of you old timers, ever come in and just say #1, or see ... Perhaps we need and log the arg's and enumerate all.

Long ago it was accepted ( I thought ) that BEND RE was going to tank, most likely 50%, and if you didn't already own for the long haul you should have sold pre 2005.

If your here today renting, its best to enjoy cheap rent and wait for low prices, but have a ton of cash so you can pay cash, because generally just about they time your at a bottom in a RE bubble-collapse, is when by DEFN the banks quit lending. Thus there is generally a sweet-spot before MASS panic set's in.

Like today in Cali there is MASS panic, because 100's of 1000's of JUMBO's were sold, and people can't get JUMBO's and nothing is selling, so the government is going to raise conventional from $420k to $700k to rescue the cali market, trouble is SENATE will most likely not do it, or will scratch that from the bill.

Certainly Bend could use that new loan limit, as most crap in Bend is above $500k, e.g. occupants think their bend crap-shack is worth more than $500k.

Government doesn't loan money, what it does is guarantee investors, today they'll guarantee a $420k. A lot of investors have lost money buying RE bonds. It's going to take a long time to fix the current crisis.

Thinking of Investors, imagine how they feel, they wait for these ARMS to reset to make a fortune off MORONS, and then governments lowers interest rates on the reset. Obviously this is just an election cycle ploy to keep the republicans in power. Once we get past the election, the interest rates MUST go astro, otherwise the dollar will be worthless.

Investors in RE bonds have been fucked, to assume that there will always be MTG money is a fallacy.

Anonymous said...

Bruce,

The stuff about OTEK is in the RFQ

http://www2.ci.bend.or.us/depts/urban_renewal_economic_development/docs/RFQ_FINAL_05_13_05.doc

Given that all city-hall needed was a master-plan, and given they had one back in 2003, why didn't they just go, why did they toss it all out and start over in 2005??

Anonymous said...

If you HAVE to have a MTG and lose your ass, you better do it now. If you're smart, you won't want a MTG.

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I think that anybody that's been here for anytime knows that Homers principal rant is "Rent", and "Diversify".

You can rent in Bend for less than 25% of income, yet purchase is close to 50%, and then toss in negative appreciating market.

Buying a home in Bend is lunacy. We have all said this all along here.

When might you buy a Bend home?? Aunt Mable is going to a rest home, and offers her Drake Park Cottage for $70k, yes I would buy that house. If you don't have the cash, then get a loan.

There aren't many of you that are going to get a Aunt Mable anytime soon in Bend.

On this note as a landlord, I only look for 'PENCIL', and for me to pencil it has to go to $150k, I pay $50k down ( investors must pay 30%down), I borrow $100k, which the renters pays the 15yr fixed 5% MTG. MTG is about $800/mo, I rent for $995, and the other $200/mo pays taxes and insur, after 15 years the unit is free and clear income.

Ok, above I have described two scenarios of buying in Bend, now I'll do timmy or bruces, ..

They need a write-off bad, ... They think they have to buy a house, ... trouble is they'll lose money, there is no possible outcome of positive return, unless they get the house for -50% of 2002 median, but the problem is they're nice guys and don't know how to be assholes in the RE market.

So, thus there is scenario #3 the bust scenario, you drive around Bend and find ten homes, that are all paid for ( DIAL ), given what the occupant paid you offer 2-3X of what they paid, so long as that price is 1/2 the 2002 price. You find a hungry realtor to write ten-offers, of course you do them one at a time, one of the ten will take the offer, and why not, lets say they bought the house in 1992 for $80k, they're asking $400k, they have to sell, and the house is paid for. There are people who will take $200k, and note they still make over 2X,

The above are only three scenarios I can see buying a home today in Bend.

Note that the last case requires a MTG unless you pay cash, and if you wait to do #3 to long, when MTG's are no longer available,... then you'll not get a house.

This is how bubbles always play, paralysis ( now ), free-fall, bank-denial, recovery, ... new bubble, ... slowdown, ... It's just that bend is 20 year cycles.

By the time we have total collapse, the banks will not loan, and then by the time the banks turn on the spigot, once again everyone and the village idiot will be buying, ... then new bubble.

This is why the people who can do the best are those sitting on tons of CASH at the bottom of the bubble, they don't have to fuck with banks.

Bewert said...

Re: Costs for creation of the master
plan prepared by Otak ($174,500) were included in the CDD budget for FY 2003-04

No, that's something I really need to look at. Any links to the actual produced document?

Any reason for it not being good enough that you/anyone remembers?

Bewert said...

That link was to an RFQ, a "Request For Qualifications".

It was the outline of a master plan.

Anonymous said...

Something is going on, not sure what, lots of newbie at your site Homer....
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if you all hate newbies so much, why don't you start a private group blog? Then you can limit comments to your own select group of old men with little boys -- then you'd be free from the newbies that you disparage so much and so often. And your little band of bros can yack repeatedly over and over on the same topics, with no outside comments or opinions. Here's the name to get you started - just make sure it's "by invitation only" you know like bend's other gated communities designed to keep out the newbie riff-raff -- www.angryoldmenbitchingaboutbend.blogspot.com

Bewert said...

Re: if you all hate newbies so much...

I think the whole idea of this blog was to reach newbies. Just because we have one grumpy old Viagra user that ran out of the little blue magic pills doesn't mean we all hate newbies. How the hell else would Buster get his message out?

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

folks from Portland and the Valley trying to get out of the rain. Where's the anger directed at them?

They're normal.

Cali asshole scumfuckers are loathed Worldwide... not just in Bend.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

One last comment about dart's comment on the valley.

These people that come from the valley don't live in Bend, they come over to escape the rain, and hot summer.


They come to BEND to escape the hot Summer?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

That is funny.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

I'll try to get reaction from Sonia and post that as well.

2 things:

1) Who is Sonia?

2) Is she hot?

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

-Cemetery Fund, -33%, -36%

STOP DYING YOU OLD MOTHERFUCKERS!

WE CANNOT AFFORD THE UPKEEP ON YOUR DEAD ASS!

PLEASE, WHEN YOU FEEL THE COLD TOUCH OF THE GRIM REAPER, DO US ALL A FAVOR, AND RENT A LOW-INCOME UNIT AT THE PLAZA AND GO LIE DOWN IN THE COMBINATION TUB/TOILET/COFFIN, AND EJECT YOURSELF INTO THE DESCUTES RIVER.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

“It will be the type of stores that you would find in Aspen, Colorado, or resorts that bring in tourists,” Storton said.

Storton is simply trying to UPSCALE the shithole that is Sisters.

Every well-heeled asshole he can get to stay there for an extra 24 hrs translates into a possible house sale.

He's a self-serving ass, who doesn't give a fuck about indigenous Sisters businesses, except his own.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

As a community member of Bend, he has been involved in various committees and commission. "It is time I take my experiences and lessons to the next level." He continued, "As a council member I will strive to maintain Bend’s hometown feel with its urban amenities. As chair and a member of the Planning Commission, I understand the importance of smart and managed growth.”

Great, Leonard is for "Smart Growth"

Put your head tween legs, and kiss ass goodbye.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Then it started snowing. The Jan. 8 storm resulted in $92,838 in contractor plowing bills from six contractors. Last Sunday night, a dozen contractors were called in at a cost expected to be at least $150,000 more. Then we had yesterday's storm, which isn't mentioned except for this wierd sentence: "On Tuesday, (manager of the Streets Division Hardy) Hanson heard that as much as 12 inches of snow could fall, but the city received just a one-fifth of an inch."

Wow. That 5th of an inch really managed to pile up downtown.

Anonymous said...

Cali asshole scumfuckers are loathed Worldwide... not just in Bend.
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Listen up people -- and understand the difference -- most people do not immediately move into a new community and then not rest until they've changed it into the very place their came from. THIS is cali's MO, they're raison d'etre, their precious. They don't want to change and adapt, they want the place to change and adapt to them. That is uniquely cali behavior ever since their RE market went crazy in the 80s and they could sell their crap shacks in the valley for millions and buy a mcmansion the next city where the locusts were flying off to that season. You can map out the trail of their destruction via the wide swath of cookie cutter communitities built as they traveled across the U.S.

St andreas fault could have saved us from their locusts in early 1980 -- but noooo.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

You guys seem smart about Bend RE. I really want to buy a house in Bend ASAP. Please tell me the best area of town for getting the best deal on the best-built house. I only need about 1,600 sf, so not looking for a mansion or anything outrageous. But my house needs to be NICE, with a big yard. Not one of the old mill tar paper shacks with a narrow strip of yard.

THX much.

Bewert said...

Re: 2 things:

1) Who is Sonia?

2) Is she hot?

1) see http://www.ci.bend.or.us/depts/finance/index.html

2) Yes.

From Sonia:

Bruce,
Thank you for your interest and concerns. My comments to your questions are in blue below.

Sonia K. Andrews
City of Bend
Finance Director
(541) 312-4902


Subject Follow-up questions

Hi Sonia,

We talked briefly at the last City Council meeting, about the Les Schwab payment, the coming bond offering, etc. Mayor Abernethy asked me to talk to you privately about any further concerns, thus this email.

A couple of questions first:
1) I found the entry for the LS sale revenue under the BURA JR Construction Fund. Is there any particular reason it was listed as a Fixed Asset Sale rather than a Real Property Sale?

That account is actually titled Sale of Fixed Assets/ Real Property Sales. Probably should say Capital Assets instead of Fixed Assets but they are the same.


2) Have we issued the new bond yet? If so, what was the selling price/yield and what is the expected debt service on an annual
basis? How long do you anticipate servicing this debt from the funds other than the BURA JR Debt Service fund?

Those bonds were bided out this week and will close on February 14th. We are still awaiting final numbers but the yield will likely be about 4.1%, debt service will be about $300,000 and they are 20 year bonds. This debt will be serviced by tax increment revenues from Juniper Ridge.


Also, I just did a further analysis of the Dec. 31, 2007 Budget
Detail report in light of the article about snow removal expenses
today. It is troubling, to say the least. I put a post up on
my blog at http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com/ detailing
the revenue shortfalls and effect of having to fund JR.

Could you review this post and tell me if any corrections need to be made?

It looks like residential development is going to remain extremely slow and commercial is on the verge of a big slowdown. Also Franchise Fees, Transient Room Taxes, Airport Landing Fees, etc. are trending down as the country heads into a recession. How is Bend going to weather this slowdown at the same time it has millions of dollars committed to Juniper Ridge?

We took budget reductions to Council in December and will make further reductions in the coming months to balance our resources with our expenditures.

Bewert said...

Re: I want to buy a house in Bend

Millican, a suburb to the east.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

But my house needs to be NICE, with a big yard.

Now THAT is funny.

Big Yard? What'll you nuts think of next.

Nice? Well, y=anything built after 2003 is "nice" if you like living in a piece of crap, barely insulated gold-rush whacky shack.

The house you're describing can't be found in Bend. IF it had a "Big Yard", it was almost certainly torn down to make room for 3 houses of shitty quality, with virtually no yard.

You're thinking about a place called

BAKER CITY

tim said...

>>But my house needs to be NICE, with a big yard.

::rolling eyes::

Duide, buy a big old abandoned house in Detroit for a buck and spend $40,000 a year on security and you're way ahead.

LavaBear said...

Cali asshole scumfuckers are loathed Worldwide... not just in Bend.
***

People from around here have hated Cali scum since one moved up here and it was too much for him to write Farewell Bend so he got the name changed to just Bend. They've been doing the same shit forever.

But it's really not any different across the country. You go to Colorado and it's the Texan scumfucks. Florida it the New Yorkers. California it's the Mexicans.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

California it's the Mexicans.

Geez, let's just declare the place our 51st state and get it over with. Teach those lazy bastards English, and start taxing them.

LavaBear said...

California it's the Mexicans.

Geez, let's just declare the place our 51st state and get it over with. Teach those lazy bastards English, and start taxing them.

**

I'm pretty sure California is a state...but I sure wouldn't want to teach 'em anything. Don't think it's possible.

Now being an illegal in this country just got a lot harder. The gold rush of building shit shacks is done. They are gonna have to go back to picking apples and watermellon for $1.25 a day.

tim said...

Be careful out there bastards, bitches, and fuckers. I heard there are accidents blocking a lot of heavily-traveled roads. Wait for the plows to come through if you can.

Anonymous said...

, I understand the importance of smart and managed growth.”

Great, Leonard is for "Smart Growth"

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Never forget folks that MIKE HOLLERN, brought "SMART GROWTH" to Bend with his own nickel.

This means that Leonard is a BR whore, looks like more of the same forever.

I love Bend.

p.s. the future of BR now is high-density apartments. Thus expect to see that as the political solution soon, as we all know in this Town that Boss Hogg Hollern, ALWAYS gets what he wants.

Anonymous said...

Today's WSJ MBIA just announced a 1200% increase in 4th quarter losses.

From $181M to over $4B.

Note MBIA is OUR bond insurance, and bonds are what feed MTG.

Investors are going to panic, because there isn't going to be a safety net.

Anonymous said...

FUCK ALL of YOU who bash mexicans, hell I love mexicans, and I predicted they were going to be our salvation.

Mexicans helped us build our Bend crap-shacks, hell the golf-communitys here bring them in by the buses to drywall, roof, ... for nutttin,...

Mexicans bring our best food ( super burrito )

Mexicans clean our homes, they provide 24/7 eatin ( rigoberto's )

Mexicans ARE NOT what make calis into locust, mexicans ARE not locusts, they're just hard working people.

The WHITE-Trash coming from cali in the fucking SUV's talking on their cell-phone, and demanding walmart on all corners are white-trash cali's running from the mexicans to Oregon. That makes all these locusts into Racists.

Of course we already knew this. Besides, california was once part of mexico, and its going to be so again.

A principal reason that long term post 2018 that BEND RE & PDX will increase is the racism issue, why I HAVE always called BEND-OR Sand-Point-IDaho.

Bend is a pure white hair-lip NAZI paradise, where every dumb fucking white cali-expatriate is a fucking king.

Eventually when the dollar is so fucking worthless, you'll be begging for a mexican to do your work, but he'll not take your worthless fucking paper dollar.

Anonymous said...

>>But my house needs to be NICE, with a big yard.


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Yup, old buster has to add his two-cents,

Yes, that's my criteria in Bend, old big ponderosas, at least a 1/2 acre yard, near drake park ( the bars ), off street parking for all the RV's, Boats, and MX-bikes, ... Jeeps.

It can be done, and yes, most of the big old yards have been filled with shit-shacks in the last five years, but it can be found.

OUR fictitious BUYER who has to BUY a house, is of course FICTITIOUS, but its always good to play the game.

Just drive around, and look, and note all the homes you see on big yards, and write down the address, and then find out if they own the house (DIAL), and make them an offer on 2X of what they paid prior to 1998.

Buster is a landlord, and these are busters favorite houses, because red-necks ( busters people ), like to have toys, and buster don't rent no zero-yard shit, we need room for toys, and these kinds of homes rent themselves, and they're still around.

What's the fucking point of living in Bend, if you can't have a boat, a jeep, a quad, six bikes, 2 motorcycles, twenty pairs of skis, five dogs, and your own arsenal?

Always these kinds of homes will always have value.

Note the worst kind of shit-shack in downtown bend is those fucking houses with NO off-street parking, if you ain't got a place to park on RV off-street, run fucking quick.

Anonymous said...

timothy said...

Be careful out there bastards, bitches, and fuckers.

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Timmy,

What's up with you, for a long time you have been our only voice of reason, and held back from the potty talk.

Is this anger??

buster,

p.s. There's a story on google-news today about a cali that rolled his van on hwy 20 se of bend, everybody hurt, ... timmy is right, if you ain't been here for a long time, stay home until they plow&sand.

Good story today on BULL about roof's collapsing, let me digress on this in the DAY we used to use 2by12 rafter's that could hold a shitload of load on the rood with high-pitch, today they use these glue-lam partical board trusses that if they get wet, they fail under-load.

So HELL yes, if your living in a shit-shack ( any home in bend built after 2000 ), then use plastic rake that's strong and get ice damns down, because when the water starts getting under the roof down to those artificial rafters, your going to have a fucking mess.

Question for today: What is the 1/2 life of a Bend Shit-Shack??

Quimby said...

>> What's the fucking point of living in Bend, if you can't have a boat, a jeep, a quad, six bikes, 2 motorcycles, twenty pairs of skis, five dogs, and your own arsenal?

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Right ON Buster!

And what about a place to stack your 3-4 cords to get you through the winter?????? Can you even install a woodstove in Bend anymore?

Anonymous said...

Bruce, this today in the BULL, sounds like REDMOND is going to show BEND how to do Juniper-Ridge the right-way. Redmond is fucking king, and future for jobs.

Bend will be a retirement community, that is a town of dead & dying.

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Future unfolds for Redmond
Interconnected community envisioned for city's east side
By Jeff McDonald / The Bulletin
Published: January 31. 2008 4:00AM PST

REDMOND — This city’s version of Bend’s Juniper Ridge would have a manufacturing emphasis, biking and walking trails, and neighborhoods that would become home to more than 10,000 people over the next 20 years, according to a planning document released by a land use consulting company Tuesday night.

The Redmond City Council, Urban Area Planning Commission and Deschutes County Commission met Tuesday night along with adjacent property owners to discuss the future development of the site east of Redmond’s current city limits.

The county, which owns all the land in the study area, plans to sell at least 216 acres of its 1,851-acre property to the city, but those plans are contingent upon the city’s completion and adoption of the Framework Plan, a 20-year, six-phase conceptual model for what the development would look like.

The rest of the land parcel could be sold to the city or a developer after it is brought into the urban growth boundary and annexed. It would provide enough land for the city’s growth for 50 years.


“This is the city’s future,” said Jim Hendryx, director of the city Community Development Department. “This (Framework Plan) provides a picture if the county decides to sell the property how it could be developed in the city’s interest.”

The city would not get the kind of deal that the city of Bend got from the county in 1990 when Bend purchased the 1,500-acre Juniper Ridge land for $1. The sale’s proceeds would help the county pay for an expansion of the Deschutes County jail, said Deschutes County Administrator Dave Kanner.

Bend’s plan for the project involves high-paying technology jobs, a mix of housing options, commercial and retail space, and a university.

Redmond’s plan would turn the sagebrush landscape into an interconnected community. About 47 percent of the site would be allocated for residential use; 29 percent for industrial use; 4 percent for community use, including schools and a recreation center; and 20 percent for open space, according to Duncan Brown, Bend-based project manager for Otak, a Portland-based land use planning company, who spoke at Tuesday’s meeting.

“The city is looking at manufacturing uses rather than higher-end or technology-oriented uses,” Brown said. “Also, they’re trying to create a fully integrated neighborhood system with residences where people can live and easily get to work. It’s a balanced community.”

Potential conflicts

The land — about 3 miles long from north to south and 1 mile wide from east to west — is about 20 percent of the size of Redmond’s current city limits. The southern, industrial portion of the project would be developed first, Brown said.

At least one person who attended Tuesday night’s meeting had concerns about the potential conflict between industrial and residential uses in the community.

“It’s a great asset for the city to have heavy and light industrial uses available, but as soon as you start putting houses to the east, there will be conflict,” Scott Carlson, Hooker Creek’s chief financial officer, said at the meeting. “There also are manufacturing users who might have taller buildings and silos that could face height restrictions by being so close to the airport.”

One issue facing site development is how quickly Redmond can finalize its transportation plans for the city, which will tell future developers how much it will cost to incorporate the development into the city’s existing transportation system, Deschutes County’s Kanner said.

“Some of the city’s streets that would serve the property from the west are already failing,” Kanner said. “We also want to know what some of the impacts will be on (state) Highway 126.”

A portion of the property also needs to be rezoned, which would likely add value to the property, he added.

The city would work with a master developer who would purchase the 216-acre piece of land, which is currently within city limits, from the county, Kanner said.

“The mixed-used business designation would improve the value of the property, but we’re not willing to wait until the end of the year to (make the deal with the city),” Kanner said.

Transportation issues and an unpredictable real estate market could delay the project as the city of Redmond studies what roads, highways and overpasses are needed for future east-side development and how much the project will cost.

The city expects to have the transportation system plan that would affect the development completed by May, according to Public Works Director Chris Doty.

Traffic impact

At Tuesday night’s meeting, Brown presented what he called the preferred alternative, or a hybrid version of two other plans that had been created. The hybrid plan would create a business center at the southwestern portion of the project that would be the site of future meeting and conference spaces, and an employment area, Brown said.

Additionally, the planned Redmond Airport runway extension and the developments to the west of the county-owned lands will determine where the future Highway 126 is located, Brown said.

“The traffic impact study may determine that development is so expensive that nothing could happen in the near future,” Brown said. “The traffic impact is the biggest issue overall and the costliest. It could involve rebuilding highways, signalizing intersections, building new roads and additional overpasses over the (U.S. Highway 97) bypass. A lot of information will come from the city’s study.”

The relocated highway could cross properties owned by the Central Oregon Irrigation District and the Redmond School District.

The properties are just to the west of the county-owned property, but would be served by the same roads leading to the future development.

“If (Highway 126) cuts our property in half, we would like input into the process, just to be candid,” said Steve Johnson, manager for the irrigation district.

The irrigation and school districts are in talks to sell their combined 250 acres to Bend developer DesertScape LLC for a planned industrial and commercial development, and Tigertail Property Ventures LLC, which is associated with the Hooker Creek construction materials provider, respectively.

“We want to know how the relocation of the highway across the irrigation district’s property jives with our property,” said James Lewis, a land use planner with DesertScape. “We want to know how much the transportation improvements will cost and coordinate the costs.”

Hooker Creek has considered the site as a future headquarters option, operations yard or both, according to previous reports in The Bulletin. The school district’s deal to sell 50 acres to Tigertail is set to expire in May, Doug Snyder, chief operations officer for the district, said at the meeting.

The various groups plan to continue working out the future location of Highway 126 and other considerations on the Framework Plan while the city completes its transportation system plan for the area outside of city limits, Brown said.

The Redmond Area Planning Commission and the City Council would need to hold public meetings before approving the Framework Plan, he said.

tim said...

>>Is this anger??

Ha. No, I'm just trying to fit in by being one of the cool guys. Got a cigarette?

Don't like to see people get hurt in cars, though.

I'm a midwesterner. Love the snow. Hate the crazy speeding drivers who drive as if they've never seen a fatal ice accident.

Quimby said...

>> BAKER CITY

Careful Homer, you're going to piss off the ad exec turned Pizza queen who relo'd there!

tim said...

Mexicans in Mexico are probably lazy because most people in the world are lazy. But the Mexicans who come here are the hard-working ones who want to get ahead, just like all the people who came here out of ambition. They are more American than the lazy Americans who are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation.

And they do speak English in the second and third generation, just like all groups ever have. Lots of 3rd generation hardly know any Spanish except for food words. Some of them can't talk to their own grandparents. You hear a lot of Spanish just because so many have come here so fast.

People said the same shit about every group that ever came here in large numbers.

Anonymous said...

Right ON Buster!

And what about a place to stack your 3-4 cords to get you through the winter?????? Can you even install a woodstove in Bend anymore?

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Sure you can, don't buy a house made after 2000, but a few builders made some good homes up to 1998.

Most of the homes built last twenty years seemed to have forced air gas, which is fine, but I like to heat up a main room, so you can have the place people hang at 80F, and the rest of the house 55, which is good for sleeping under 12" of down.

I always put in a gas-wood-stove, and wood/wood-stove combo's into rentals that are made after 1990. If you follow the criteria of a TALL FENCE, and a BIG-YARD, and lots of BIG old ponderosa's, then you can put in a stove in the room where people will hang-out.

Just make sure when you put in the stove pipe that it's situated so the smoke don't blow into your nieghbor's house, generally you don't want that new pipe visible from the street, because remember no fucking permits. Of course all the 'vermont' stoves that go gas or wood, have modern convertors for low emmission.

Yes, you have to have your 1/2 acre, so you can have 2-4 cords of wood, preferrably under a shed, and not near the house cuz of bugs, besides never put wood by the house cuz of the fire danger.

I think I answered your question, you certainly cannot install an old style wood-stove, hell you cannot even legally buy a woodstove in Oregon that is not low-emission, nor sell, nor is the media allowed to print a for-sale ad.

Always install your stove gas/wood within code, always use the top-quality material, and equip, I only use Vermont, and they got a good product line, and there are 1/2 dozen suppliers in PDX that will sell at 5% over cost, if you go in a say your a contractor, and then keep you mouth shut. Most will throw in all the piping in the sale. I hate buying this shit in Bend, remember we're a remote Island in the desert where everything is 2X or more.

Touchy subject on 'permission', keep the pipes aways from windows, but mostly I worry about nieghbors, because they're the ones that will nark to city about your chimney.

Of course we wouldn't buy a fucking home in a hood, that was full of assholes would we?? So then of course is another fucking test, do your neighbors have trailers for hauling shit to the dump, and toys also, and do they have smoke coming from their chimney in your fucking hood?

Remember busters old rule #1 on Bend RE, NO FUCKING HOA, so that means your only in the old HOOD, your paying HOA, that means your in a FUCKING COMMUNITY, which means small yard NOSY bitch nieghbors, YOUR fucked, just like clothesline,...


Of course if you just buy a fucking old mill house in a nice old part of town, then you'll get your woodstove, but I would still replace the pipe and stove, the stoves are incredibly efficient, and easy to clean. We're talking around $1k for everything.

Anonymous said...

People said the same shit about every group that ever came here in large numbers.

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Thanks timmy, one of the reasons we have almost 400 posts this week is newbies,

We're getting too much attention, and the media would like to demonize this group as a bunch of fucking racists.

I think its important when people start posting their racist shit, we make it clear that we're not fucking racists. I would rather have a mexican family as my nieghbor any day of the week rather than a Rush-Limbaugh Republican fat ass golfer in a SUV.

In mexico they ask "how many children do you have", that is there wealth.

In USA they ask, how big is your dick, how big is your wifes tit's, how big is your SUV...

You judge a people on what they value.

The WHITE-TRASH that comes to Oreogn from CALI, value only their dicks, and their SUV.

tim said...

>>Remember busters old rule #1 on Bend RE, NO FUCKING HOA, so that means your only in the old HOOD, your paying HOA, that means your in a FUCKING COMMUNITY, which means small yard NOSY bitch nieghbors, YOUR fucked, just like clothesline,...

Where I live now, I can't use a smoker without 4 or 5 neighbors breathing smoke. Which means I can't do slow smoky ribs, brisket, or pulled pork all day long. Sucks.

Anonymous said...

The city (REDMOND) would not get the kind of deal that the city of Bend got from the county in 1990 when Bend purchased the 1,500-acre Juniper Ridge land for $1. The sale’s proceeds would help the county pay for an expansion of the Deschutes County jail, said Deschutes County Administrator Dave Kanner.

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Bruce, sounds like deschutes county, isn't giving away the store anymore, ...

It's amazing, Bend got 1500 acres for free, and still managed to fuck the whole thing up, Bruce you still didn't answer my question, the city bought & paid for a 'master-plan' back in 2003 (OTEK), why did they trash it and start over with KURATEK.

Anonymous said...

Where I live now, I can't use a smoker without 4 or 5 neighbors breathing smoke. Which means I can't do slow smoky ribs, brisket, or pulled pork all day long. Sucks.

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To me thats just fucking amazing, I smoke shit all summer.

I understand just so you all understand I'll say how fucked it is ... for instance out in Highlands@Broken-Top, they're not even allowed to have BBQ's outdoors! They can have Gas BBQ's if they have an outdoor 'scrubber hood', ... What's interesting is they're on TEN-ACRES! Not like the neighbor will smell pork!

All gets back to these BOSS-HOGG-HOLLERN HOA's, where these fucking nazi want to control everything. Hollern says that these were his value-added, that is what holds up the property.

I can see the day that BEND RE of value will be the shit where you can live.

I mean most of us who have been around have an old-chief electric smokers that handles a handful of wood-chips every few hours for smoking meats or salmon or whatever,... they don't put out much smoke, even a garbage can smoker,...

ALL THIS bullshit goes back to red-neck eradication. Good news is if Homers Bend Depression continues, in a few years these CUNTS in HOA hoods will be begging for your smoked-pulled-pork, because that's where this meat came from the blacks were poor, and got the worse cut of meat, and they found they could bury their pig remnants in the ground over coals all day while they worked the fields, and at night have a feast.

Then one day the white plantation owner got a bite and said holy-shit.

Bend is hypocritic shit-hold of beautiful people, remember we used to call them REHO's.

tim said...

>>Good news is if Homers Bend Depression continues, in a few years these CUNTS in HOA hoods will be begging for your smoked-pulled-pork, because that's where this meat came from the blacks were poor, and got the worse cut of meat, and they found they could bury their pig remnants in the ground over coals all day while they worked the fields, and at night have a feast.

Bend is full of household with both people working and no one even cooks. They spend all their money on day care and restaurants. It's a city full of people actually racing to go broke. Like a miracle, it all worked for three years thanks to HELOCs. It won't work again for a generation.

Quimby said...

I built one like this a few years back. It is a hungry SOB for wood but smokes great. I can't imagine using it in a CC&R'd sterile, fucking Stepford-Wives Bend "community". I think I'll have to try one of the smaller electric or propane chip smokers. I hear they do a good job for less hassle.

But......we digress......

Duncan McGeary said...

Hey, bilbo,

If you and Bruce would insult each other for another 20 posts, we'll hit 400!

Quimby said...

Dunc has a new post worth taking a look at...

Anonymous said...

Hey, bilbo,

If you and Bruce would insult each other for another 20 posts, we'll hit 400!

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Perhaps bruce just says stupid ( liberal/progressive ) shit to get bilbo's goat, but honestly I actually like him,you,homer,tim,... It's getting to the fucking point that we're talking to ourselves. Pretty fucking sad.

I only say 'bruce-pussy', when he dumps the liberal slogans, otherwise he's bruce.

No, problem, even if Homer does a saturday post, we'll still see 400, and hell if he does a sunday ( which is abby-normal ), then we'll see 500.

The scary thing is the newbies, its really hard addressing issues they we have pounded dead over a year ago, and to have to start from scratch on the assertions, hell its taken what 3 months to get bruce up to speed.

Sad on our 'woman', but no woman yet has exceeded our 1/2 life of two days.

I would really love to see a woman with the passion of any of us old-time regulars post the "History of the Bend Bubble", from a womens perspective.

Feminists say, and I mean GREAT FEMINIST's say "Everytime I here a man say I'm here to protect the women & children, I want to hide".

I can see very shortly the BOSS-HOGGS of Bend coming out, and rounding up the wagons to 'protect the women & children'.

We need a feminist who understands history, with the passion of Emma Goldman. Does just a female in this town exist?

Anonymous said...

smaller electric or propane chip smokers. I hear they do a good job for less hassle.

But......we digress......

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No, this is 100% on subject, the blog is about surviving the Great Bend Bubble, and anything that can help people survive is essential.

A little-chief smoker costs less than $100, and uses about 50W, and you just add your favorite wood you get from the woods wherever you wish, and you can smoke whatever meat you got, make your own jerky, ... Hell smoke chipmunks, and the kids will think they're candy, if you brine them in enough sugar, and take off the heads and tail.

Anonymous said...

It may be an oxymoron to ask for a woman who knows the Bend RE bubble from the inside, and then to ask her to be philosophical.

I know over the years, that when I quote philosophical issues around realty women and I get blank stares, and questions like "Your really intelligent", which of course makes me want to vomit.

I think for a woman in Real Estate or sales, you have to listen, and then tell people what they want to hear. Then at the end of the day you drink yourself into oblivion, when those commission check's come in, ...

I don't think many RE women think philosophically, Dunc FYI I dual majored in Philosophy & Physics.

This is what I want from these blogs to bring new ideas for the women to express their views, experiences, plans; all these things that need to be said for those wishing to survive the great bend-bubble RE depression.

Most RE women I have known have been the vain type, looking good, being in style, certainly not the cerebral type of woman that I prefer to hang around.

Feminists don't care what people think, RE sales women only think about what people think, that's what makes you a good salesperson, but today with no buyers, there's really not much to do.

Duncan am I asking for too much? Is it too much for a women to explain the bendbubble and its demise??

Like this week with our short-term woman in denial of anger. Everything was pleasant until we asked her to assert her anger, and then it was like we slapped her in the face.

Like I said, "how could you be not angry to what they have done to your career, someone not angry doesn't have a soul."

Now that becky has gone full circle, and you can see the passion from her writing about her cancer, you can tell she has the intelligence and the passion, but will she write?

Quimby said...

>> A little-chief smoker costs less than $100, and uses about 50W

50W may be A LOT in the near future if things go to hell in a hand-basket. How much can Bruce's wife output on one of those bikes?

Quimby said...

>> Most RE women I have known have been the vain type, looking good, being in style, certainly not the cerebral type of woman that I prefer to hang around.

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They lack ability to introspect I think. It's likely a cultural thing: being brought up reading shit like Seventeen and Cosmo. Now you see them everywhere reading fucking "People" magazine. Who actually reads that crap...or CARES? It is truly mind-boggling to me. I get pissed at my wife when she watches TV or soap operas for god-sakes. Why on earth would I want the world and Hollywood's miseries (aka drama) served up to me in my own living room? I have enough shit to deal with in my life w/o living vicariously through the tube and gossip mags.

A Bend REHO is surrounded by others who are married or dating "studs" who are also in the RE biz in some way. It's rather incestuous I fear.

It's sorta like asking why the High School Prom King & Queen aren't on the debate team.

tim said...

It doesn't seem fair to pick on women for being shallow when we men set up the incentives for them to be hot.

In general, I'd rather look at women and talk to men, but that's only in general. There are plenty of interesting women and boring men.

Don't treat people as statistics. You have to check each one out individually. Individual variation can swamp differences between races or genders.

tim said...

Oh, by the way. The hottest Bend Realtor is also very sharp when you talk to her. And nice. It's maybe not fair that she's got it all, but she does. Being hot doesn't mean being dumb, although I imagine it's easy to be lazy intellectually when you're hot.

Bewert said...

Re: How much can Bruce's wife output on one of those bikes?

About 200W steady-state, as long as I keep feeding her.

tim said...

>>About 200W steady-state, as long as I keep feeding her.

You could keep feeding her because she could run four smokers.

Bewert said...

Re: Being hot doesn't mean being dumb, although I imagine it's easy to be lazy intellectually when you're hot.

One of the hottest women I ever met was at a dot.com bubble conference at the Ritz Carlton in Dana Point. She worked for Oracle as an analyst of some sort, her first job after Stanford. My employee that I had brought along to dazzle the attendees with nerd tech speak couldn't even talk to her, she was so gorgeous. He tried a couple times but it was just gibberish, and hilarious as hell. She was so smart and well read we ended up talking for about two hours when we both had other things we should have been doing.

Brains and beauty definitely enhance each other as a combo meal.

Anonymous said...

It's getting to the fucking point that we're talking to ourselves. Pretty fucking sad.

*** so just how any of you non-"newbie," MFers are there on this angryoldmenhatingnewbiesandnowbeggingforawoman'stouchblog anyway?

MStucker said...

My 1/2 life has been 4 months, not 2 days. And I am not angry over the lack of RE commissions. I frighteningly menopausal, which gives me the right to be angry at any moment and at anything. Not quite dead yet.
Why is the Dow so high today?

MStucker said...

I want to be the 400th comment.

MStucker said...

Realtor is 400th

MStucker said...

Newbie is 400th

Bewert said...

On the OTAK Master Plan, I've been poking away at what happened. They were hired for $174,500 to do a master plan in 2004. They evidently completed it, and then on June 13, 2005, in the Issue Summary for the "Juniper Ridge Master Plan – Final Draft Presentation", we see:

Secondary Issues: Before development can begin at Juniper Ridge, the master plan will need to be formally adopted by City Council as amendments to the General Plan and the Zoning Map. However, staff is recommending that these amendments not be considered or adopted until after a master developer for Juniper Ridge has been selected. This will allow for any adjustments to the master plan that may be warranted to be carried out as part of the master developer negotiation process. Staff does recommend, however, that the Council act at a later meeting this summer to accept the final master plan by resolution as the basis for eventual adoption as part of the General Plan and Zoning Ordinance. This led to the Kuratek, et al, fiasco and the eventual return of Ron "The Hammer" Garzini.

And just in time for the bursting of the RE bubble, LS steps in and we commit $12 million plus that we didn't have. Pretty much a clusterfuck all around.

Source: http://www.ci.bend.or.us/city_hall/meeting_minutes/docs/IS_Juniper_Ridge_work_Sesion.pdf

MStucker said...

Woman is 400th

MStucker said...

Angry Realtor Woman is 400th

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