Well, we basically are watching the demise of one of the biggest attempted grifts in Bend history, and that is saying something.
Epic Air finally folded. You may be able to detect my incredulity about this little wingding in my Oct 1, 2007 post:
How To Make $100 Million A Year In Bend, Oregon
Which one of these guys apparently invested $200,000,000 in a Bend aircraft maker this week?
1) Peter Tork of "The Monkees"
2) Rip Taylor
3) Liberace
4) Indian Billionaire, Vijay "Jazzy Jeff And The Fresh Prince" Mallya
I know, it's hard to figure cuz each has One Sweet Ass Fuckin' Hair Doo! I mean, WTF? Did anyone else see that pic in The Bulletin, and wonder what the hell is up with that dudes hair? I mean, DAMN.
ATTENTION INDIAN DUDE: That sweet-ass tight fro may have landed the ladies in 1973, but that thing is just weird!
Anyway, this is YET ANOTHER STORY THAT DOESN'T PASS THE SMELL TEST.
I wrote in the comments: This whole thing SMELLS BAD.
$200MM (if true), values Epic at $400MM. WHAT! No way. With 140 employees, that is almost $2.9MM/employee.
No freakin' way is that real.
Boeing market cap is $82.52BB
Employees: 153,000
Value/Employee: $540,000
Is this Indian Dude INSANE? He's valuing a po-dunk little maker of kit planes out in the desert at more than 5X the per employee value of BOEING?
Man, if this Rick Schrameck guy actually convinced this nut to pay $200MM for 50%, he is One Hell Of A Shyster. Valuing Epic at well over 5X the relative value of Boeing on an employee basis is straight up INSANE.
That Rick Schrameck dude has pulled off the Bend Enterprise Investment Marketing Boondoggle Of A Lifetime. He got rocks.
Bangin' a friend of his for $200MM, for only HALF of Epic, a podunk nut'n out in the desert. That's one thing. But he did it while RIGHT NEXT DOOR, there is a much larger competitor GOING BANKRUPT! Holy Shit! That is just brutal!
Seriously, it is stuff like this that reaffirms my faith in The Impossible.
If this is true, which I seriously doubt, this guy has pulled off a dot-com era boondoggle the likes of which this town will never see again. Good job Rick!
See, this was never possible. This Epic thing was EPIC: Epic-ly Impossible.
Now you might think, "What the fuck happened to the money?". Well, my dear friend, there NEVER WAS ANY MONEY. NEVER.
See if you can detect the misdirection by Costa:
‘A big shot in the arm for the Bend economy’
By Anna Sowa / The Bulletin The Bulletin
The $200 million investment by an India-based airline mogul in Bend’s Epic Aircraft could help the local airplane maker break into the commercial jet market by producing larger planes for larger companies, an Epic spokesman said Thursday.
“It’s extremely likely that the Bend facility will grow substantially and contribute more to the job market in Bend,” said Lyn Freeman, the Epic spokesman who revealed how much Vijay Mallya is investing in Epic.
“It will be a big shot in the arm for the Bend economy, but how big a shot it turns out to be ... I don’t know.”
Epic employs 140 people in Bend. Epic President and CEO Rick Schrameck announced Wednesday that Mallya, his friend and fellow aviation buff, was investing in the company, but Schrameck did not disclose the investment’s size.
Mallya representatives could not be reached for comment the past two days, but Freeman said Mallya’s office has confirmed the $200 million investment.
Mallya now owns 50 percent of Epic, Freeman said, adding that Mallya “has insisted” that Schrameck remain as company chief.
You see? There are about 46X where Costa intimates that the investment HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE. Or that it is already in check form, merely being flown to CACB at warp speed. Or that it is ABOUT TO BE MADE. Or that it is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Or that it will probably be made. And about 400 other states of progress on getting the money.
Seriously. This is our local paper's idea of "news".
What really happened here is our local guy got RICK Schmareck ROLL'D by a true global super grifter.
What's funny about this is that Costa bought into his own munificience, and thought one of his hillbilly stupid motherfucking drinking buddies could actually roll with the big dogs. Jeebus H Christmas, what a dumbfuck.
This is Bend, COSTA. NOBODY of any substance does ANYTHING in Bend. Small fish, small pond.
That 3 year bubble was a fluke, it wasn't you, or me, or anyone sort of "exceptionalism".
As we are all starting to see, Bend is Mortal. And we have built an enormous false prosperity based on an incredible set of lies: Summit 1031, Tammy Sawyer, Jay Audia, Juniper Ridge, Cessna, Epic.... and on and on.
This whole area is built on the idea that you can start something without any real substance, I don't know... such as... a wheel you drag behind your car that somehow powers the car... or a black box where you burn shit, and the ashes somehow turn to gold.
The Last Thing You Do In Bend is WORK. Start a business based on some definable need.
No you Do What You Love And The Money Will Follow, and things like that.
Bend is built on dreams, dreams that are bought and sold, despite having no real definable business objective or need, and certainly no revenue stream. We're in a state of suspended animation, always selling our speculative dream to yet a bigger sucker.
And here is where it ended. Epic really was going for the EPIC GRIFT. And you can FEEL THE DESPERATION of just how bad Costa wanted us to reel in and boat that Mallya Bass. He basically said we had already boated that bass, when in reality Mallya hadn't even bit.
And so with the collapse of Epic, and Cessna as well letting go the last of it's zombies, we see the end of the Bend Aeronautical Dream. And you certainly won't be reminded, but this Dream was our Big One. It was going to power Bend's economy for the next 1,000 years.
Epic was going to have 4,000 employees. But that was a piker, as Cessna was going to have tens of thousands. Not to mention the tens of thousands of "support" companies that would crop up by the hundreds at the Bend International Air Complex.
All gone.
No, now the Bend Municipal Airport will go down. It may well go broke. The virtuous circle will Yet Again, become a vicious cycle, as a vortex of death just drags down everything caught in it's rip current.
And history will RHYME yet again in the future.
Communal Frisk Bank (aka Priney Bank) was closed Friday. Eff-Dick swooped in and closed this little bank that could... not.
What should you look for now? Well my thick headed confidante, if you don't know the answer to that, you are well and truly a motherfucking retard.
The answer is that CACB is The Next To Fall. PERIOD.
In a pathetic Beg For Cash piece in the Bully (Cascade Bancorp: Where does it stand?), Patty "Horse Face" Moss answers the question:
CACB Stands In A Shitpile Of It's Own Making.
CACB cannot get money from ANY SOURCE. Not the government, not it's biggest owner, not the mafia, NO ONE.
And the piece is a non-stop BEG-O-THON for someone, ANYONE, to give Moss cash munee. It is quite clear that ALL SOURCES HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED, and she resorted to a public PLEADING FOR MONEY. ANYONE. PLEEZE GIMME MUNEE!
You should know that most institutions don't even deign this sort of activity as acceptable, and they would rather SHUT THEIR FUCKING DOORS than publicly beg for munee.
Not Moss. Because she knows fully well that Eff-Dick is going to pay her a visit VERY SOON. She needs millions or CACB's charter WILL BE PULLED.
Prediction: IT, OF COURSE, WILL BE PULLED. The money is gone.
You see folks, the Grift Always Fails In The End. The Moving Around Of Money is just that. It doesn't DO anything. It doesn't MAKE anything. Lots of sound and fury signifying NOTHING.
But COSTA wanted us all to believe that it signified EVERYTHING.
That Mallya actually WAS Schrameck's FRIEND. No. They were NEVER FRIENDS.
That InEn Tec's Garbage To Gold Black Box was actually a Real Life Rumplestiltskin-esque spinning wheel that would turn shit into Gold.
That Cessna would plop down in the middle of ASS NOWHERE and start building planes.
That Patty Moss was actually some sort of financial genius, when she is really a horse-faced dumbass who drank her own Kool-Aid.
You have heard, and will no doubt continue to hear that Bend is Xanadu, a mythical place where all your dreams and flights of fancy will come true.
And everyone hears what they want to hear in that situation. You? You want to start a cooking supplies store? No problem, your wish is granted!
How about a furniture store or an art gallery? You can't fail!
Car dealership? A swipe of the magic wand guarantees success.
You see, in Bend, our Game Is The Grift. Has been for decades.
And by a miracle of happenstance, we were in the right country, the right era, and the right instant in time, and it actually seemed like all our dreams and flights of fancy could actually come true.
But of course, that's not true, and was the reason for starting this poor little despised blog. A little Wake Up Call to tell people that you can't Get Something For Nothing Forever. Much to hateful chagrin of those who hoped differently, we are starting to see the unraveling of the Bend Web Of Lies.
Epic Air, Cessna, the thousands of foreclosures, the tumbleweed ridden and abandoned developments, the mass of business closings, the incredible unemployment, the ridiculous movie-themed housing developments/amusement parks, the imploding prices...
All the lies that we've been sold are finally being exposed for what they are. And you need to realize that the Guilty Parties are:
JOHN COSTA & BEND MEDIA
BEND CITY COUNCIL
PATTY MOSS & CACB
EDCO & OTHER TAXPAYER FUNDED BOONDOGGLES
CROOKED DEVELOPERS & LENDERS (SUMMIT 1031 & RENAISSANCE, et al)
These people will leave this town completely broken and 100% busted. Get your fucking torches & pitchforks and run these motherfuckers out on a rail.
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Greg Hebner, president of MOS Group Inc., parent of Mortgage Outreach Services, said in a written statement that the company was investigating Spindel's case. He said lenders and servicers, not MOS Group, report borrowers' activity to credit agencies.
"The training and scripting used by MOS Group specifically addresses the need to inform borrowers on the impact that a loan modification will have to the borrower's credit report," he said.
He said hundreds of thousands of foreclosure-prevention efforts were delayed when lenders switched from their own programs to Obama's Home Affordable Modification Program announced in early March.
Unfortunately, servicers exist to serve investors, not borrowers, said Alys Cohen, a staff attorney with the National Consumer Law Center, in testimony last month before Congress. They've cut costs by relying on voice mail systems, and, sometimes, have actively discouraged borrowers from contacting them.
"Most mortgage servicers don't have the skills, the staff, the record keeping or the systems to modify this many mortgages," Mason said. "We're seeing poor results as well."
Recently, Sanjiv Das, chief executive of CitiMortgage, told The Associated Press that his company had hired or retrained about 1,400 employees to work on loan modifications.
It hasn't helped Spindel, irked that Citi received a federal bailout. "They've got some of my money that way," he said.
What's more, he added, "Not only am I a customer, I'm also a shareholder. My shares have gone from $40 to $3."
Some twist.
I love that Democrats love spending now that they have the White House and the Congress. I love that they all of the sudden think that printing money is A-OK, after warning us about deficits and debt for so long.
This will come back to bite us.
It's true that prices are not ascending yet, but any one of a number of shocks could tag us hard. Like the Chinese or Japanese getting tired of the game.
It's an untenable situation. You never know what will trip up an untenable situation, but something is guaranteed to.
No, she's just another bible-thumper who can't even keep her own marriage together.
Feels like someone's got the goods on that woman.
Only a fucking retard would do what she did.
There ya libs: You can drive a truck through that one. Let fly.
OK, while I don't think she's Stephen Hawking, I don't think she's THAT stupid. She was POWER HUNGRY after McCain. Someone got the drop on that GRILF.
Remember when Democrats used to tell us it was immoral to pile debt onto our grandchildren? Those were the days!
Hypocrites and liars all the way down.
You never know what will trip up an untenable situation, but something is guaranteed to.
Yeah, but gearing up for hyper-inflation is a bitch. Gold is already near $1K. Commodities? I'm too old for that shit. Besides it's corrrelation leaves something to be desired.
Hyperinflation as an investment thesis just sucks ass.
Plant a garden.
What's amazing about absolute power is not that it corrupts, but how quickly it does it.
I'm not talking about an investment thesis. I'm talking about our gov't spending like a loon.
The poor are in trouble in Bend!
For every purchaseable vehicle (2004-2009 kid hauler), there are 10 pieces of shit (1984 - 1996 CANDY VAN with 375 million miles on it).
Either the poor are in trouble, or the rich ain't trading up.
I'm not talking about an investment thesis. I'm talking about our gov't spending like a loon.
Sorry... everything is basically an investment thesis to me.
Even the the avoidance of being in the future 90% tax bracket I see coming is an investment thesis to me.
But we'll be in a hyper-inflation spiral at that point, aka Zimbabwe.
CANADA will probably be the investment thesis solution at that point.
Speaking of pissing away my money to avoid debasing by hyperinflation -- I will be away past tomorrows post time...
Be back next wk.
The upside is hbm can refer to repugs as CHIMPY for a few more days.
"I love that Democrats love spending now that they have the White House and the Congress. I love that they all of the sudden think that printing money is A-OK, after warning us about deficits and debt for so long."
I love how Rebubicans spent eight years destroying a surplus they inherited from clinton and sent the nation back into debt and ran up the debt by trillions without so much as a wimper, yet obama gets in office and continues the financial bailout spawned by repubicans and now they are screaming about the deficit...hypocrites and liars all the way down the line on that side of the aisle.
Yes. The only party that is fiscally responsible is the one out of power.
Clinton's budget surplus was helped by the bubble run-up in the stock market. There were extraordinary capital gains being paid as people flipped growth stocks.
The gov't deprived itself of the budget surplus that it could have had from the housing bubble by stupidly exempting houses from capital gains.
Whatever the next bubble is, the gov't should tax the hell out of it.
Clinton's Nasdaq bubble popped before the election, so Gore or Bush would have suffered from the drop in tax revenues no matter hat they did.
>> Whatever the next bubble is, the gov't should tax the hell out of it.
Huh? Why should we be rooting for the gov't taking my $$$ at the barrel of a gun?
From Wikipedia's treatise of "The Law" by F. Bastiat:
In The Law, Bastiat states that "each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property". The State is a "substitution of a common force for individual forces" to defend this right. The law becomes perverted when it punishes one's right to self-defense in favor of another's acquired right to plunder.
Bastiat defines two forms of plunder: "stupid greed and false philanthropy". Stupid greed is "protective tariffs, subsidies, guaranteed profits" and false philanthropy is "guaranteed jobs, relief and welfare schemes, public education, progressive taxation, free credit, and public works". Monopolism and Socialism are legalized plunder which Bastiat emphasizes is legal but not legitimate.
Justice has precise limits but philanthropy is limitless and government can grow endlessly when that becomes its function. The resulting statism is "based on this triple hypothesis: the total inertness of mankind, the omnipotence of the law, and the infallibility of the legislator". The relationship between the public and the legislator becomes "like the clay to the potter". Bastiat says, "I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law—by force—and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes".[2]
The Entire Book Online (rather short frankly).
"The upside is hbm can refer to repugs as CHIMPY for a few more days."
There's only one Repug I refer to as "Chimpy" -- our simian pseudo-cowboy, pseudo-military-hero ex-president, aka Commander Codpiece.
If you are offended by the nickname, I am not sorry at all.
"Huh? Why should we be rooting for the gov't taking my $$$ at the barrel of a gun?"
The real goal is to keep gov't from encouraging bubbles with idiotic tax breaks.
Bubbles will happen, we just shouldn't have the gov't goosing them along while it goes broke due to lack of participation. Because that's where we are now.
A short analysis on relative tax burden, stat from IRS, link: http://tinyurl.com/ldk5sc
I added some sums and percentages at the bottom and republished it here: http://tinyurl.com/lax63r
98% of filers made less than $1M, 2% more. The lower 98% made 68% of the total income and paid 63% of the total taxes. The top 2% made 32% of the total income and paid 37% of the total taxes.
Andrew Hall Wants His Check Now
One Citi employee is entitled to a $100 million bonus. Should the company stiff him?
http://tinyurl.com/oh5gkh
Is it better for society as a whole to pay a few hundreds of millions or many, many more tens or hundreds of of thousands?
How did Hall's energy trading benefit society? Did he profit from lower fuel prices? Did he profit from driving prices higher? Or did he profit from greater instability in pricing?
This explains a lot:
Seeking
How the brain hard-wires us to love Google, Twitter, and texting. And why that's dangerous.
http://tinyurl.com/lxc2fh
We're like a dog obsessed with a ball.
Now that the rain has stopped and the sun is out, it's time to break my own seeking obsession for a little while.
>>We're like a dog obsessed with a ball.
Given the relative apparent happiness of dogs and people, I'd say we should try to emulate dogs whenever possible.
I'd love to be able to lick my own balls.
Re: @MartyJemison http://twitpic.com/e145k - 700 yr old Catalan bridge from another angle... What a great swimming hole when temps go over 100 F
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Bend started floating when?
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I'd love to be able to lick my own balls.
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Why?
Now my girl dogs that lick their own pussies I understand. And I had a girlfriend back in the day that had a dog that rocked herself into orgasms regularly.
The one boy dog right now has an obsession with what we call "his humpy toy". At 14 and long time ball-less.
WTF. Is he channeling Buster?
Not trying to beat you up, but I've always enjoyed others doing the dirty work, even more than myself...
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Best part is how they make you happy, too.
"I'd love to be able to lick my own balls."
Take up yoga.
So that's why people subject themselves to yoga!
I'm starting tonight. There's a Dummies book for it, right?
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory.
So Obama wins after all.
Another dull and dreary weekend in the armpit of the world.
Oh, how do I tolerate this desert island made of poo?
Anonymous said...
Another dull and dreary weekend in the armpit of the world.
Oh, how do I tolerate this desert island made of poo?
Cheer up! You could be in Jewtah.
"Not trying to beat you up, but I've always enjoyed others doing the dirty work, even more than myself..."
Here's a couple wise proverbs for the youngin's still trying to figure it out:
The screwin' you get ain't worth the screwin' you get.
If it flies, floats or fucks - lease it.
Health care system is imploding.
Canada looking to add private options to improve competition.
Well, there goes my plan B.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw
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Does anyone have any evidence of changes in population (outflow) over the summer?
Maybe the best measure will be school enrollment this fall?
I'm sure Bruce is not the only one to leave in order to get work.
Well, maybe Bruce really was the only one who had to move.
We'll probably be fine now that he's gone.
Buster had to move.
But that was in order to get laid. The women in Bend do have some sense.
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The official numbers come out on Oct. 1. Here is the 2008 PR piece:
http://tinyurl.com/n3ynuj
Executive Director of Fiscal Services Brad Henry reported that, as of 11:30 am today, more than 16,020 students were enrolled at Bend-La Pine Schools.
From this it looks like 2007 was around 15,800, a 500+ increase:
http://tinyurl.com/q34ru9
Historical through 2006 here:
http://tinyurl.com/mozopz
It will be telling when the numbers come out.
Self-identified conservatives now outnumber liberals in all 50 states.
Apparently, all it takes is a liberal in office to remind people they aren't liberal.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602
"Self-identified conservatives now outnumber liberals in all 50 states. Apparently, all it takes is a liberal in office to remind people they aren't liberal."
And all it takes is a right-winger in office to remind people that right-wing dogma is bullshit. People have short memories -- that's the only reason the Republican Party continues to exist.
Part you didn't quote:
“In fact, while all 50 states are, to some degree, more conservative than liberal (with the conservative advantage ranging from 1 to 34 points), Gallup's 2009 party ID results indicate that Democrats have significant party ID advantages in 30 states and Republicans in only 4,” said an analysis of the survey results published by Gallup.
Couple of notes from Roubini:
U.S. Regional Banks' Exposure to Commercial Real Estate
* August 14: "More than 150 publicly traded U.S. lenders own non-performing loans that equal 5 percent or more of their holdings, a level that former regulators say can wipe out a bank's equity and threaten its survival.... All said in second-quarter filings they're "well-capitalized" by regulatory standards, which means they're considered financially sound." (Bloomberg via Naked Capitalism Blog)
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U.S. Inflation Trends: Deflation, Disinflation, Reflation or High Inflation?
* Core CPI inflation (excluding food and energy) slowed to 1.5% y/y in July 2009 due to decreases in the shelter index, particularly lodging away from home. Headline CPI decreased by 2.1% y/y in July - the largest annual contraction since 1950 - led by a decline in energy prices. Base effects may be weaker going forward. The energy index peaked in July 2008, so year-over-year rates of decline in 2009 should moderate after July unless energy prices accelerate their decline.
**Apparently, all it takes is a liberal in office to remind people they aren't liberal.**
All it takes is a majority of stupid socialist fucks in office to make people jump ship.
"All it takes is a majority of stupid socialist fucks in office to make people jump ship."
Did you read the quote about Democrats having a registration advantage in 30 states compared to four states for the Rethuglicans?
ALso, from the same story:
"Despite the Democratic Party's political strength-- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country--more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal,” said Gallup’s analysis.
“While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level,” said Gallup. (Emphasis added)
In other words, more Americans have self-identified as conservative than as liberal for a long, long time. This isn't some big seismic shift that's occurred just in the seven months that Obama has been in office.
Re: All it takes is a majority of stupid socialist fucks in office to make people jump ship.
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All it takes is major media figures willing to lie out of their ass, as in the Death Panel BS, to rile ignorant people up. Starting with Beck, Palin, et al.
While the Repugs rile up their ignorant poor-ass base, they systematically strip them of their income, their credit, and their health care.
The trillion dollars over ten years cost of a health care bill with a public option covering close to 50 million uninsured Americans compares well to the $700 billion in a few months bailout of the banks. To say nothing of all the other fucking financial bailouts of those "too big to fail".
There is never any talk about those "so unimportant they can die" because the only health care they are going to get in the US is stabilization in followed by release from the emergency room.
Which does you a lot of fucking good in cases of heart disease, cancer, or stroke, the three biggest causes of death in the US.
"And all it takes is a right-winger in office to remind people that right-wing dogma is bullshit. People have short memories -- that's the only reason the Republican Party continues to exist."
I don't care which side is in power, I'm for the other team.
Well, Obama has blown his political clout about twice as fast as I thought he would. I'm not impressed. Blaming the media is ludicrous. The media loves him and all he has to do is not fuck up.
Time to clean house. The staff needs to use his natural advantages as a lever. They flat-out suck.
Wow. If the health care bill is huge and it doesn't have single-payer in it, what the fuck good is it?
I'm going to make some popcorn and head over to Daily Kos to get my daily fill of madness.
Florida's population dropped for the first time since 1946. Remember when Bend's chief competitor for lunacy was Cape Coral?
Now hbm's point from the other day is relevant. How many Dems won't support a health plan that lacks a gov't option.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apuGT6RvKHWs
Interesting times.
"Now hbm's point from the other day is relevant. How many Dems won't support a health plan that lacks a gov't option."
This one won't. And if Obama doesn't insist on one I won't support him either.
If Obama had balls bigger than a pair of garbanzo beans he'd tell the Republicans: "Okay, you want to be portrayed in the next campaign as the cocksuckers who blocked health care reform because you're in the pocket of the insurance companies? Fine, that's just what you'll get, you motherfuckers. I'm gonna go nuclear on you sons of bitches. I'm gonna hit you with the kitchen sink, the washer and dryer, the refrigerator, everything. Crank up the whole PR machine -- TV, phone banks, the Web, the blogs, everything. And I am going to go before the American people IN PERSON and tell them that they would have had a good health care reform program if you hadn't been whores for the insurance companies. And I am going to campaign IN PERSON against every one of you fuckers. And in conclusion, fuck you very much."
That's the way FDR, TR, Harry Truman or LBJ would've played it. But with the gutless wonder we've got in the White House now, forget it.
I wonder how much of Obama's drop in the polls is due to the attacks of the Republicans and how much is due to Democrats like me becoming disillusioned and sick of his gutlessness. If a pollster asked me right now if I thought he was doing a good job as president, I'd answer no.
Well, that makes sense. If he were being strong, the Republicans couldn't make a dent for a couple more years at least.
To me, he's just a politician, and not nearly as resourceful as Bill Clinton. He could make a comeback, but that's exactly what it will take.
A good politician convinces us. Obama is doing the opposite. He's trying to drag us along instead of push us ahead.
The US Postal Service doesn't suck as bad as Obama would have us think... http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/08/17/postal-supervisors-obama-swipe-a-kick-in-the-chest/
Re: A good politician convinces us. Obama is doing the opposite. He's trying to drag us along instead of push us ahead.
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Back in the day they didn't have Fox spewing BS to 30% (closer to 80% in some areas) of the population. The Simpsoning of America. A lot of people actually believe Glenn Beck. My father in law listens to Rush religously--which has really opened my eyes into how slanted things can seem. How do you bring sanity to people who believe that what they hear has to be true?
"How do you bring sanity to people who believe that what they hear has to be true?"
More pertinently, how do you bring sanity to people who refuse to hear any information that conflicts with what they already believe? The hard-core right-wingers like your father in law live inside an echo chamber where all they hear, day after day, is their own views reflected back to them and amplified.
Harsh as this sounds, I think the only way to deal with this situation is to concentrate on educating those who are still open to being educated (chiefly the young) and wait for the hard-core wingnuts to die off. Their views will NEVER change; they are incapable of changing.
All humans suffer from confirmation bias. And hbm, it seems to me that you suffer from it to a large degree. You repeat left-wing talking points continuous with no sign of critical thought.
hbm: You're 100% correct. It's clear that what we need to do is get liberals to have more children.
hbm, are you being ironic? You are nothing if not a poster child for hearing what you want to hear.
Every time you describe a zealot on the right, it's a painfully perfect representation of yourself.
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hbm: You're 100% correct. It's clear that what we need to do is get liberals to have more children.
Sounds good, but it'll never work. Liberals are the ones that abort (read kill) their children...remember?
Sounds good, but it'll never work. Liberals are the ones that abort (read kill) their children...remember?
Hey look... another redneck asshole who's against abortion.
Necks getting redder all the time...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
"You repeat left-wing talking points continuous [sic] with no sign of critical thought."
If I occasionally heard a right-wing talking point that made any sense I'd be happy to give it some thought. But look at their "arguments" against health care reform, for instance -- all nonsense, from "the government is gonna tell you what doctor you have to go to" to "the government is gonna kill your grandma."
There could, and should, be a serious debate about health care reform, but the right doesn't seem to want one -- they'd rather peddle lies and create hysteria.
When somebody tells me, with a straight face, that Obama is a communist and is turning the United States into Russia, how the hell do you expect me to take him seriously on ANY subject?
I know, I know, you're going to tell me such statements come from the lunatic fringe of the conservative movement and there are responsible, rational conservatives out there. The trouble is: WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY and why don't we ever hear from them? When Sen. Charles Grassley, one of the supposedly "moderate" and credible Republicans in Congress, repeats the "death panel" lie, how can I NOT believe that the whole damn party has been taken over by the lunatics?
hbm said...
"...Hey look... another redneck asshole who's against abortion."
Ouch, Homo Butt Master, that cuts deep. Typical fucking lib response. You don't agree so you start the name calling. Kinda like I did, huh? Sort of ironical(sic, yes I know)isn't it.
The real hbm (me) didn't write that.
"You don't agree so you start the name calling."
But of course "Homo Butt Master" isn't name calling, is it?
Pelosi says any health care reform that doesn't include the public option will be DOA in the House. Since Obama has no balls maybe he could borrow one from Pelosi.
>>how can I NOT believe that the whole damn party has been taken over by the lunatics?
It all depends on whom you listen to. If you read Daily Kos as representative of liberals, you'd come to the conclusion that liberals are all raving lunatics as well.
But luckily for the liberals, there are some blue dogs that show the party has sane people in it.
Obama's poll numbers down again. Any panic in the White House you think?
This is going to be House vs Senate.
Is that really your best defense against being called close-minded, hbm? Do you realize nearly all your messages are filled with the rote phrases of the left? You still sound just like a right-wing idiot to me. A dittohead of the left.
HBM,
Why are you arguing with this moron?
Dunc,
Because he operates entirely reflexively, like they all do. They can't help it.
"Why are you arguing with this moron?"
Well said. I come to this Board for local news, not for national politics.
Miss me?
Came back from the coast to no interwebs... 5 nines, my ass.
Local news is calling this recession OVER!
11.9% unemployment was all it took.
"Why are you arguing with this moron?"
Good question; I should stop. But ignorance infuriates me and arrogant ignorance infuriates me even more.
And what's most infuriating is what the arrogant and ignorant have done, and continue to do, to my country. Every time it looks as if some progress might be made, the Republicans open up their bottomless bag of lies and their moronic flying monkey army falls for them every time.
And what's most infuriating is what the arrogant and ignorant have done, and continue to do, to my country. Every time it looks as if some progress might be made, the Republicans open up their bottomless bag of lies and their moronic flying monkey army falls for them every time.
That's laughable, you boob.
Buffett's message again to buy stocks, since the gov't can't be trusted to avoid inflation. http://www.cnbc.com/id/32476270
hbm, do you have a little book of liberal phrases, or is that all coming from your mind?
Your city in action:
City of Bend Hires New Accessibility Manager
The City of Bend is pleased to announce that Ms. Susan M. Duncan has accepted the position of Accessibility Manager for the City of Bend - effective August 24th. Ms. Duncan will be coordinating the City’s Accessibility Program with a variety of staff from multiple departments, including Community Development, Public Works, Legal, and Human Resources.
This position will coordinate the City of Bend multi-disciplinary efforts to ensure compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act and other related laws and regulations, including activities associated with the 2004 Department of Justice Settlement Agreement, 2006 Disability Rights Oregon (DRO) Settlement Agreement, and City ADA policies for public facilities, rights-of-way areas, programs, and communications. To date, the City has complied with a majority of the DOJ and DRO settlement requirements, and is making measurable progress toward on-the-ground sidewalk and bus stop accessibility improvements.
Susan has worked with a variety of governmental and private organizations in Central Oregon and the State of Washington as an accessible design consultant through her business, The ABC’s of Accessibility® Inc, over the last 30 years. The Accessibility Manager position will be housed in the City’s Legal Division. The City of Bend is looking forward to welcoming Susan to the City of Bend Accessibility Team.
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What happened to the former person in this position?
Re: Local news is calling this recession OVER!
11.9% unemployment was all it took.
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Now that is funny.
So you all got jobs from companies that Edco brought to Bend?
The victor and the spoils.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_consultants
Re: And what's most infuriating is what the arrogant and ignorant have done, and continue to do, to my country. Every time it looks as if some progress might be made, the Republicans open up their bottomless bag of lies and their moronic flying monkey army falls for them every time.
That's laughable, you boob.
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No, what is not simply laughable but rather scary is how the Fox affects the debate with outright lies. Like Glenn Beck repeating Palin spouting the "they are going to euthanize your grandma", which was a big talking point of utter nonsense for a week.
Fact: our health care system ranks in the 30's in the basic measures of infant mortality and life span according to both WHO and OECD, yet we spend more per capita than any other country by a large margin.
The fucking 30's. We are behind every single other industrialized nation in the world. Plus several third world countries.
Why?
Because every other industrialized nation has a government, non-profit control of basic health care. Most also have private insurance options for better care.
Why the fuck would you want a for-profit bureaucrat making decision on your care rather than a government one that didn't have a bonus riding on denying you and enough others?
BTW Your precious Fox News, run by Roger Ailes, who was Reagan's press guy, went to court, and won, in Florida over two reporters in Florida who refused to lie in their report in bovine growth hormone and were fired. The court stated that news didn't have to be true.
Fox won their right to lie and call it news.
To me, that's a fucking abomination to America.
But hey, DOH!
..ignorance infuriates me and arrogant ignorance infuriates me even more
How can you stand to live with yourself?
Bada bing.
"No, what is not simply laughable but rather scary is how the Fox affects the debate with outright lies. Like Glenn Beck repeating Palin spouting the "they are going to euthanize your grandma", which was a big talking point of utter nonsense for a week."
The most laughable thing of all, SPEWERT, is that a loud mouthed dumb-fuck (Glenn Beck) and an absolute idiot (Sarah Palin) can toss their stupid shit out into the wind, and our fearless leader and his ilk (you and HBM) don't have the leadership and/or communication skills to convince people it's all a bunch of hogwash.
I swear I'll pull out, baby.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6802698.ece
"The most laughable thing of all, SPEWERT, is that a loud mouthed dumb-fuck (Glenn Beck) and an absolute idiot (Sarah Palin) can toss their stupid shit out into the wind, and our fearless leader and his ilk (you and HBM) don't have the leadership and/or communication skills to convince people it's all a bunch of hogwash."
No matter how good your communication skills are, you can't convince people who won't listen to you. The loony right believes only what its trusted sources (Fox, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Palin etc.) tell it and either ignore conflicting information or dismiss it as lies coming from "the elitist liberal media." The loonies have sealed themselves inside their tight little bubble of delusion and have no interest in looking at the world outside it.
Also I find it interesting that you place the blame for this pathetic situation on those who are trying to fight the lies instead of on the liars.
I've pretty much concluded it's a waste of time and energy to try to have any kind of dialogue with the hard-core right-wing loonies (IOW pretty much all of today's Republican Party).
At a recent town hall meeting with Rep. Barney Frank (yes, yes, I know, he's gay) a woman holding a sign depicting Obama as Hitler shouted out: "Why are you supporting this Nazi policy?" (i.e. health care reform). Frank's response: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" He then said she was spouting "vile, contemptible nonsense" and concluded: "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it."
That's exactly the kind of response that woman and her ilk deserve. If more congresscritters had the balls to confront the loonies that way I bet the loonies would become much more civil.
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
"hbm, do you have a little book of liberal phrases, or is that all coming from your mind?"
Do you have a little book of right-wing lies, or do they call come out of Rush Limbaugh's asshole?
Yeah yeah. You think they are liars, they think you are liars. I think both sides are liars. I'll be waiting for any of those opinions to change.
In the meantime, anything local going on? Any sweet Realtor scandals or developer bankruptcies?
"In the meantime, anything local going on?"
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Yeah, an old, washed up reporter who has been unemployed for ages, who goes by the initials of hbm, has gotten into a mini version of Dunc's online meltdown during the last election. He is trying to convince rational people (rather unconvincingly) that the looney left is rational, rather than just as looney as the looney right. He is utterly failing, as you would expect hbm to.
Other than that, nothing going on in local news, except it hit 100 degrees. But don't tell hbm that, he thinks it snows all the time in Bend.
Stephanopoulos:
"Blaming the GOP for blocking health care will make Democrats feel better. But it may turn off Independents who are already abandoning Obama (17 point drops in handling health care and overall job approval)."
Ah we independents loom large today, don't we? How incredibly frustrating we ware to both sides.
Re: anything local...
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While, Bend has moved ahead of Flint in UE finally.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm
Ah, so you are the same guy.
I was right in the election (Palin would prove to be a joke and a detriment, and Obama would win handily) just as HBM is correct now.
And all you seem to be able to do is belittle.
"And all you seem to be able to do is belittle."
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Ummm, no.
I just point out the obvious, so that the 'tards are also able to participate in our little party.
"In an interview with Fox News' Neil Cavuto, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) affirmed that neither health care reform bill currently in circulation will get any Republican support. "For either the bill that passed the House Committee or the bill that passed the HELP committee in the Senate, I don't think a single Republican in the Senate would support either of those bills," he said confidently. Kyl went on to say that negotiations between Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee have become "very difficult because" of "liberals in both the House and the Senate." Later he suggested, "Let's start over."
Who would have known? Who could have guessed?
The only health care "reform" the Party of No would ever support is NO REFORM AT ALL. Obama and the Democrats need to tell them all to go fuck themselves -- we'll pass a bill without them and then label them as the party that tried to block reform because they're whores for the insurance companies.
Democrats at this point need to be asking themselves "WWKRD?" (What Would Karl Rove Do?)
It's nuclear-option time, baby.
"I was right in the election (Palin would prove to be a joke and a detriment, and Obama would win handily) just as HBM is correct now."
Thank you. But the loony right, being loonies, can never see they were wrong even after they've been proven wrong. They operate in the faith-based world, i.e. if they believe something it must be true.
And the election of Obama (a black LIBERAL, my god!) seems to have pushed them even further over the cliff into sheer delusional paranoia.
"Thank you. But the loony right, being loonies, can never see they were wrong even after they've been proven wrong."
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Yes, now you have come full circle, to the start of my rant.
The loony right is indeed loony, hence why I call them the "Loony Right".
You believe that there is no "Loony Left", because you are so left, there is nobody left of you, hence no loony left.
You are wrong.
God, would you idiots stop picking on hbm? It's revolting. It's like picking the wings off a fly. He's about the easiest target in the world. It's not even funny. So please give it a rest.
hbm will never see the irony in what he says. He'll never be able to equate himself with his counterparts on the right.
Because he isn't the counterpart. His arguments are rational and fact-based.
You argue by innuendo and sleeze, which is why I'm encouraging HBM to ignore you.
I watch Fox channel, and I swear they look and sound like televangelists nowadays. The hypocrisy and lies just reek off them.
Oh, and weird hair-do's. The farther away from reality they get, the weirder the hair-do's.
Since you won't use your name, I'm just going to start calling you "Kitchen Table."
"You believe that there is no "Loony Left"
Yes, there is. I know a few. They include the wackos who think Bush blew up the World Trade Center. But they are less numerous and far less noisy than the loony right.
"because you are so left, there is nobody left of you"
Because you are so far right, you have no idea that by the standards of the hard-core leftists I'm considered practically conservative.
But you think anybody who supports even moderate health care reform is a "communist," so what else can I expect?
BTW I like Dunc's name for you. Seeya later, Kitchen Table.
Dunc, no looney left? Surely you jest.
I know people who think that Bush dropped a match out into the forest to start fires on his visit here. From an airplane or a helicopter!
There's plenty of looney to go around.
If anything, the left has a more interesting fixation on conspiracy theories than the right does. Of course, it could be argued that it was Bush that made them crazy.
This is where I have to give credit to Bruce. He sometimes had a weakness for parroting party line, but he would semi-regularly snap out of it and give opinions that sounded as if he personally had thought through the issue at hand.
That made him much more interesting than any robotic cliché regurgitater, left or right.
There's a sometimes irritating stubbornness about him, but also some redeeming hint of self-reflection.
"This is where I have to give credit to Bruce. He sometimes had a weakness for parroting party line, but he would semi-regularly snap out of it and give opinions that sounded as if he personally had thought through the issue at hand."
Bullshit, you never let up.
Are you responding only to me, Dunc, or to the previous anonymous posters as well?
I know it's frustrating to have multiple people use "anonymous," but I was first.
OK. I did not at all believe there would be anyone who believes Bush started a fire dropped a match from a helicopter (let's teach some physics in our schools, by the way), but these people have been documented at Salon, as I discovered via Google. One of you is a Salon reader, eh?
What can I say, but Oh. My. God.
http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/08/oregon/index.html
I was talking to Kitchen Table. Are you Kitchen Table, or do you just talk like Kitchen Table.
Hell, you're all Kitchen Tables.
Calm down, everyone. No need to get all wee weed.
That's exactly what the Realtors, developers, and builders want us to do.
Interesting. Didn't think my tone was that harsh. Just playing around.
"Hell, you're all Kitchen Tables."
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Calm down, Dunc. You are (again) getting confused between Anonymous and his brother Anonymous, and his other brother Anonymous.
Calm down. Take your meds.
Remember what happened last year, when you were also confused by the many Anonymous' you argued with. You had a melt down, when you were supposed to be getting over you sickness.
Calm down. Take your meds.
Leave the debating to the adults.
Nah, all solved. Since you won't name yourself, I'll just name you,
Right wing crazy #1. Kitchen Table.
Right wing crazy #2. Living Room Sofa.
If I confuse the two of you, no problem, you're both Household furniture.
What the hell am I doing arguing with furniture?
"Leave the debating to the adults."
Duncan is more adult than all the anonymous items of household furniture on this blog combined.
"But don't tell hbm that, he thinks it snows all the time in Bend."
I never said it snows all the time -- only from November through May. And sometimes June.
"I watch Fox channel"
Dunc, you have a much sterner constitution than I do. Hell, who even has time to watch TV when there's a pile of books to read besides my bed?
"What the hell am I doing arguing with furniture?"
Duncan, I hope that's a rhetorical question.
On a local note, building for the future of Bend:
AGENDA
Juniper Ridge Management Board
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Time: 3:00 p.m.
Location: Council Chambers, City Hall
Roll Call
1. Infrastructure Planning:
a. Presentation by David Stangel (Murray Smith & Associates) on Juniper Ridge
Wastewater Collection & Water System projects
b. Natural Gas Planning
c. Water System Pressure Zone issue
2. Codes, Covenants & Restrictions: Status Update on Document Development
3. Design Guidelines: Status Update on Consultant Selection Process and Document
Development
4. Suterra: Update on Construction Schedule Milestones and Tentative Date for Close of Escrow
5. PacifiCorp: Update on construction Schedule Milestones and Tentative Date for Close of
Escrow
6. Administrative Matters:
a. Date & Time of Next Meeting
b. Review of COB Minutes from the February, April and May, 2009 meetings
c. Bend 2030 Action Items
d. EDCO Board Seat
7. Executive Session Pursuant to ORS 192.660 (2) (a-e)
8. Adjourn
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c. Water System Pressure Zone issue
Hmmm, never heard of that one before. Sounds expensive...
Re: loonies on both sides...
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A right wing loonie, a "death panel" preacher, gets eviscerated with the facts resigns from medical board in disgrace.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-17-2009/exclusive---betsy-mccaughey-extended-interview-pt--1
How about one of you comes up with a similar interview where a progressive being interviewed results in the facts shoving their lies right into their face.
You are welcome to comb the archives of Rush, O'Reilly, Beck, Savage, or whomever you want.
Even Krauthammer, although he as actually acknowledged the truth lately.
Simple solution: open Medicare to anyone who wants it. The bureaucracy already exists, the tens of millions happy with their employer-based private insurance can keep it (as long as they are employed, anyway), and costs can be renegotiated as there is already a mechanism to do so.
This is what scares the private insurance industry the most. Because it could be implemented long before the next election.
Eugene U-Haul is running a special for trucks going TO Bend- $108.
Apparently, there are not enough trucks in Bend to handle the number of people moving OUT.
And Eugene is having problems of their own, though not as severe a Bend's.
"Duncan, I hope that's a rhetorical question."
You talking to me, table lamp? You taking to me?
heh.
I bet Obama is happy that Scotland and England are getting all the bad press this weekend. What a relief!
Hmmm...no takers.
"Hmmm...no takers."
It's because most of us are asleep. You see, it's Pacific time out here.
bitter?
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