We've had a credit-fueled boom of consumerism these past 30 years or so. Just borrowing from the future to enjoy today. Not a horrible thing, until it goes overboard, which it did.
So to fuel the boom, we've built out excess capacity. An enormous amount. Just a ridiculous amount in consumer banking, and Bend is exactly where it should be in this regard, Far Behind The Times. People are still building banks in Bend. They're still building Everything in Bend.
This is exactly what the auto bailout is about: Taxpayer subsidizing of Excess Capacity. Keep It Alive, Keep It Going.
We don't need it, and No One Can Afford The Products, The Horrible Management, or the Incredible Union Greed, but KEEP IT ALIVE, No Matter What.
We, as taxpayers, are actually being force-fed failure-laden bailouts. We will soon bailout everything. Airlines are probably next. The only thing that won't get bailed out will be companies & industries that don't WANT it.
So what is the upshot? We are expending BILLIONS, probably trillions, to keep excess capacity alive & well. Producing millions of cars we cannot afford and DO NOT WANT. Trillions are being thrown into bank coffers to get us to borrow, but strangely, nobody is.
When it comes down to it, we borrowed to the hilt from the future, and now we can't repay. Everybody borrowed. GM borrowed to build plants. Banks, ironically, borrowed to buy mortgages, and were enriched per transaction. Individuals borrowed and bought the only asset that possibly could have absorbed this much lending capacity, homes, by the millions.
We have too much of almost everything, and we can't make the payments to keep it. Can't pay it off. So "we" have gone to the government & asked for trillions. Well, the banks are getting it. GM, Ford & Chrysler are getting it. Defaulting borrowers are "trying" to get it via Fannie & Freddie's moratorium on foreclosures.
In other words, Idiots Are Getting Rich and The Responsible & Prudent Are Funding It. Nice.
So what's going to happen? Well, I suppose in the ordinary scheme of things, if you are demanding quantity X of something, and producers are putting out 2X, prices will fall. Right? But falling prices brings on failure, which we are of course, vigorously trying to avoid. So we Have To keep prices artificially high.
So US Taxpayers are in the uncomfortable position of not just subsidizing current production that we do not want & can't afford, but owing well over $10 TRILLION dollars in future earnings to pay off government debts as well. And we will somehow have to keep prices HIGH to avoid failure.
So our money is simply funneled to bank presidents. To union bosses. To government bureaucrats. To every FAILURE in this country.
The More succesful you are, the MORE You Are Penalized. The LESS successful you are, the MORE You Are Rewarded.
And THE BIGGEST FAILURES are actually holding out for the Most:
‘UAW bailout’
It is a mistake to use part of the $700-billion rescue package to reward high-tax, non-right-to-work states such as Michigan, says Peter Flaherty, President of the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).
“The automaker bailout is actually a UAW bailout,” Flaherty said. “The union will not allow companies to deploy capital in ways that the market would dictate, such as closing plants and layoffs.”
Under Frank’s legislation, car companies receiving bailout money would face tougher restrictions on executive pay and dividends to their shareholders, the A.P. reported.
NLPC says the UAW wants additional taxpayer money to enrich health and retirement plans it controls. Indeed, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger has urged Congress to act immediately to provide a separate, additional $25 billion in loans so auto companies can meet their health care obligations to more than 780,000 retirees and dependents.
Awesome. The UAW will, HOPEFULLY, finally kill The Golden Goose. They are the 600lb suckerfish on the 20lb gristle-laden near-death automakers ass. I HOPE TO GOD they kill it. Because that is truly what the auto-bailout is: UAW payoff. We are paying big fat tubs of shit $90/hr to do NOTHING. Heard of JOB BANKS?
UAW is The Most Corrupt Bunch Of Greedy Fucks On Earth. Followed By Auto CEO's. There are actually thousands of non-union auto-workers, and extended industry workers, several of whom I Know, who think these two groups deserve each other, and deserve extinction. Even though it would probably threaten their own job. MOST of lower Michigan OPPOSES the bailouts.
What the hell is going to happen? We're paying TRILLIONS to keep alive capacity, predominantly Credit Capacity, that No One Can Pay For Anymore. Even 800FICO's aren't getting money.
Well, I can see a few things happening: Corporate ROI going to 0% or below. We are simply funneling money into products no one wants. Profit is simply (Unit Volume X Price) - Costs. And we are witnessing imploding volumes and prices, while Costs are being kept as high as they ever were. So I see permanent lowering of ROI as long as the Bailout Regime holds.
FAILURE Must Be Be Allowed To Take It's Course.
We are becoming Socialists Speculators. Our Government, is actually putting us into the auto and banking industries via EQUITY holdings. Believe me, they will SOON have us in the housing market. The government will soon start taking over HUGE housing developments. It'll happen.
Innovation Lost. Failure is a CLEANSING PROCESS. Failure MUST happen, or necrosis sets in. We are subsidizing FAILURE, and keeping alive the Dead.
War. We, or someone else, will be at WAR soon.
In China, anger rises as economy falls
The crisis in global capitalism has spelled trouble for the Chinese Communist Party, confronted by public unrest as factories shed workers and investments collapse.
By Barbara Demick
December 12, 2008
Reporting from Beijing — The signs of discontent are small but unnerving in an authoritarian country where public demonstrations are not permitted.
Laid-off toy company workers smash windows and computers and overturn police cars in Guangdong province. Employees of a liquor company in Harbin travel to their company's Beijing headquarters to demand back wages. Taxi drivers, as many as 20,000 of them, scuffle with police in protests that have spread into seven provinces.
Even the police have gotten into the act. Auxiliary officers surrounded a Communist Party office last week in Hunan province to demand higher wages, said the Hong Kong-based Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy.
As China's economy hits the skids, such protests have been sporadic and usually involved fewer than 100 people. But in recent weeks, they have cropped up across the country like brush fires.
"Definitely, this is the most serious problem we have seen since 1989," said Zhou Xiaozheng, a professor of sociology at People's University in Beijing. "You have millions of college students who can't find jobs. . . . You have migrant workers who have lost their jobs at factories and don't have land to go back to."
It is counterintuitive that a global financial crisis that started with the excesses of Wall Street should be undermining the Chinese Communist Party. But academics such as Zhou believe that the economic crisis could present the leadership with its biggest political challenge since the student protests at Tiananmen Square nearly two decades ago.
To a large extent, China's fiscal problems pale next to those of the United States. The unemployment rate is not expected to top 4.5%, compared with the current 6.5% in the U.S. Although the World Bank recently slashed China's growth forecast for next year to 7.5% from more than 9%, even the lower figure keeps it at the top of the pack.
The problem is that ordinary growth might not be enough for a system that's been sustained by double-digit gains over the last five years. New York University economist Nouriel Roubini predicted last month in a widely quoted newsletter that without 9% to 10% growth, China is headed for a "hard landing."
Security in growth
It is the conventional wisdom that Communist Party rule has survived into the 21st century because of the nation's extraordinary economic growth. China watchers often speak of an implicit bargain between the people and the party: Give up demands for democracy and free speech and we'll make you rich.
"I think the leaders are scared stiff," said Susan Shirk, a professor at UC San Diego. "Certainly the Chinese Communist Party leadership believes there is a connection between economic growth, social stability and the survival of one-party rule."
Even members of the intelligentsia have become more vocal, demanding political change in a petition released this week that was modeled after the 1977 one that challenged the Soviet Union's domination of Czechoslovakia. "In the world, authoritarian systems are approaching the dusk of their endings," says the document, signed by more than 300 prominent people.
What makes the government especially vulnerable is that the people hurting financially have few legitimate outlets to air grievances. Unable to vote out their leaders, strike or collect compensation from the courts, they protest. And when the police wade in, things can quickly turn violent.
That's what happened Nov. 25 after 1,000 workers were laid off from the Kai Da toy factory in Dongguan, a southeastern city often called the real-life Santa's workshop because of the toys manufactured there.
As one former worker, a 36-year-old mechanic who agreed to be quoted by his surname, Zhong, describes it: A group of workers was in discussions with management about termination pay when a dispute broke out. "We saw the police beating five workers with sticks, several of them unconscious. . . . Then many workers rushed out and surrounded them. Later there were thousands of people there. They smashed police cars, doors and computers."
The economic downturn is hitting hardest in places like Dongguan, where factories once churned out toys, shoes and clothing to satisfy the seemingly insatiable demand of American consumers. Now demand has plunged because of the U.S. recession and the scandals over tainted foods and dangerous toys produced in China.
The Chinese government reported Wednesday that last month, for the first time in seven years, exports declined. In the toy industry alone, figures from the General Administration of Customs showed that half of the 3,631 companies had gone under this year.
Almost all of the workers who are losing their jobs are migrants who may not have any place to return to.
Zhong and his wife, who is seven months pregnant, came from an area in Sichuan province that suffered heavy damage during the May earthquake. "We are just wandering around now looking for work," Zhong said.
Fears of instability
This floating population of the unemployed and desperate is one of the government's nightmares.
"The redistribution of wealth through theft and robbery could dramatically increase, and menaces to social stability will grow," Zhou Tianyong, an economist for a government think tank, said in an editorial last week in the China Economic Times.
But it is not only the migrants who can turn unruly.
Young professionals trashed the showroom of a real estate complex called Glamorous City in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province, after learning that the developer was offering a 25% discount to prospective buyers of units they had paid full price for.
Middle-class Chinese are relative novices when it comes to investing, unaccustomed to the risks of real estate or the stock market -- and quick to blame the government when what they thought could only go up instead goes down.
The anger was palpable at a Beijing stock brokerage where investors sat on a row of orange plastic chairs, sipping tea from jars they'd brought from home and watching the latest indignities flashing on the electronic board of stock prices.
" Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao did nothing to help," snapped one man in a voice that cut through the background clatter and made the others -- unaccustomed to hearing gripes against China's president and premier spoken so loudly -- turn around to hush him. ("Don't tell the foreigner too much about what's happening in China," hissed a woman sitting behind him.)
The 53-year-old man, who gave his name as Lao Yang, or "old Yang," agreed to lower his voice and the conversation continued. He lost seven years' worth of savings from his job at a machine components factory, which is now closed.
Others with him shared his fury -- retired factory workers, homemakers, a former post office clerk, all had lost large portions of their savings playing the stock market and felt the government had betrayed the laobaixing, the common people, by not protecting them.
"Some people lost everything in the stock market. They sold their homes and borrowed money," said Xiong Huanyong, 66, a retired post office worker. "They think there should have been more regulations."
A basic structural problem in the Chinese economy is that wages and living standards have not kept pace with the extraordinary growth. As a result, consumers aren't prosperous enough to pick up the slack and keep the economy rolling in the face of reduced demand from the United States and Europe.
The Chinese government has lowered interest rates several times, and last month announced a $586-billion stimulus package. More moves are predicted, but economists doubt their effectiveness.
"The government's economic policy is still geared to producing high growth figures, but not to producing jobs or raising people's disposable income," said Mao Yushi, a prominent Chinese economist.
Shirk, of UCSD, believes that protests will accelerate as workers realize such actions can help them get what they want. For example, the laid-off workers at Kai Da received severance of about $900 each after their protest.
But Shirk thinks the government will be able to manage the crisis as long as protests remain localized and the nation's leadership remains united.
"They learned their lesson from the Tiananmen period," she said. "As long as they can prevent public splits, throw the ringleaders of the protests in jail, blame the problems on local officials, they can probably hang together."
Something's going to give in Asia. All has been well for the past 20-30 years, even with Tiananmen, because the Commies Have Delivered. But no more. There's about 1.4 billion pissed off motherfuckers over there, and not nearly enough thugs to hold them off. That country is a powder-keg.
China, India, Pakistan. That area is going to explode. Everyone of those fuckers has NUKES. And don't forget RUSSIA, who will do ALL IN THEIR POWER to foment anti-American sentiment. Or really, PRO-OIL sentiment.
The Bursting Bubble now goes FAR beyond American Housing. RUSSIAN OIL is collapsing. Chinese production capacity is imploding. Pakkie's are terrorizing India. And India is RICH & THEY GOT NUKES. There's going to be a FUCKING WAR.
Plan Folks. Plan. This crazy fucking blog has been beating the drums for TWO YEARS. "BEANS, BULLETS, BOOZE, BULLION". DO NOT for a second think that can't happen. Don't think for 1 second you can't be relegated to GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD. And SHOOTING YOUR FUCKING NEIGHBOR TO KEEP THEM FROM TAKING YOUR SHIT. EVEN WHILE YOU ARE STEALING THEIR SHIT!
The recent local rash of shootings, robberies, and assaults is NOT a statistical oddity. People are getting desperate. Unemployment EXPLODED in Deschutes County over the past year. And it's going to get far, FAR worse. This fucking place will be a war zone before it's over. Instead of reading about someone getting shot, YOU'LL KNOW SOMEONE who Got Shot.
So what's the solution to the Armaggedon Scenario? Actually Armeggedon IS THE SOLUTION. Got too many factories? Too much productive capacity? Too many unemployed?
There's One Very Effective Solution: WAR.
War tears shit up, right quick. War kills motherfuckers who would otherwise be robbing you. War will put people back in Chinese, Indian, and Pakkie factories. At least until they are nuked.
We are going to war soon. What do the RICH WORRY ABOUT? That's right, KEEPING WHAT THEY GOT. And India & China have watched the money pile up over the past few decades, and that shit is threatened now. Don't underestimate the retaliation of a well-funded country.
And what do WE do? Well, if we DO NOT side with China, we're fucking doomed. We OWE THEM $1 TRILLION, at least. In many respects, China runs this 2 bit shithole already. Who will they go after? India? Japan? Fuck, who knows. But it'll be US against THEM. And whoever THEM is, they have been our "Allies" for a long time.
Some whacked shit is going to happen. Government-owned EVERYTHING. Including your house, maybe. A tax-rate hike is coming that'll probably kill another 10-20% of this countries small businesses. And not just Federal. All the way down the line.
Hunker down, Folks. The Big One is coming. War. Depression. Suicide. Remember your 4 B's. Stock Up And Lock Down.
This is Going To Get So Much Worse Than You Thought Possible.
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Yeah, I was thinking that. But even more grade.
OH SHIT, even the schools are going to GO Chicago CORRUPT.
The Wall Street Journal
Dec. 15, 2008
President-elect Barack Obama is expected to name Chicago schools chief Arne Duncan as education secretary, in his first hometown cabinet pick.
And on the other hand:
Obama pick for Sec Energy: President-elect Barack Obama on Monday chose a Nobel physics laureate to be his energy secretary and picked a former top federal environmental regulator to coordinate his energy and environmental policies.
Steven Chu, who won the 1997 Nobel Prize in Physics and now directs the government's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, will head the Energy Department.
Chu will work closely with Carol Browner, the former head of the Environmental Protection Agency under Bill Clinton, who Obama said will coordinate White House policy on energy, and climate change among the various federal agencies.
Obama also named Lisa Jackson, the chief of staff for New Jersey's governor, to lead the EPA and Nancy Sutley, a deputy mayor of Los Angeles, to head the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
Obama's energy and environmental team will play a major role in his goal of reviving the U.S. economy by boosting renewable energy use and creating millions of "green" jobs that will ease America's addiction to foreign oil.
BUSH pick: Spencer Abraham was sworn in as the tenth Secretary of Energy on January 20, 2001, following his confirmation by the U.S. Senate.
Prior to becoming Energy Secretary, Abraham represented Michigan in the United States Senate from 1995 to 2001.
Elected in 1994, he served on the Budget, Commerce, Science and Transportation, Judiciary, and Small Business Committees. He also chaired two-important subcommittees: Manufacturing and Competitiveness, and Immigration.
A forceful voice for the business community and free enterprise, Abraham endorsed policies and practices that promote and enhance America's competitiveness and global leadership. Among other things, Abraham was a leader in the Senate on support of free trade, legal and regulatory reform, and tax reform.
How's the snow up around Swede? Deep enough to feel somewhat safe?
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No, things are still rock, and stumps, and branches.
Just as good as yesterday, which was real good. That said, you have to be used to picking up a ski when the nose hits a rock to transfer weight, or you feel a stump, on the way going down you just watch for the shit you uncovered going up.
To me comparing cold&dry, to our normal sticky&wet, ... no skins required.
Breaking trail no problem, with the 18" accumulated new, but if you go anywhere thats had much travel your about 1/2" compressed from the bottom, I figure by tomorrow AM with todays snow that just about everywhere will start being good.
Put it this way BP, when I'm on MT-B I spend all my time looking up hill and trying not to get run over. No solution, other than skiing off-bounds on the way down, which is no problem if you ain't carrying a ticket, sure I can ski for free there, but then I wouldn't get a workout.
'Safe' I'm not sure what safe means, if I wanted to be safe I would stay home and die.
I have thought even about getting a helmet, haven't done so, I have had a few concussions, hate them drool for months, and peeing my pants. Forgetting to drink water, getting dehydrated and passing out, having to go to the hospital for fluids ( hydration ), no thanks concussions suck.
If I do any lift skiing this year, I was thinking about getting a helmet, I saw some nice ones on sale the other day at REI for $20.
Swede Ridge is nice, there's all those cabins ( Shelters ) we call them in the woods, and you can start a fire and then ski out.
Sure beats the commercialization of MT-B. I generally prefer MT-B when its not OPEN. Then its quite nice.
Rah, Rah OBAMA 24/7 ... RAH RAH
I can't wait until HBM&BP and all our little PUSSY's admit that the OREO is mcSAME.
>> No, there will be more. Divorce rates always go up in times of financial stress.
I've seen it both ways. I've seen some pretty brutal callous moves on the part of spouses who were moving up the corporate ladder...."upgrading" along the way. Fucking greed cowards.
Then I've also see financial stresses take their toll in marriage too. Remember the Toxic Wife post?
Hold on to your loved ones boys & girls.
Obama's energy and environmental team will play a major role in his goal of reviving the U.S. economy by boosting renewable energy use and creating millions of "green" jobs that will ease America's addiction to foreign oil.
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Green 'jobs' that will cost 2X more, thus creating of the most inefficient energy sources in world history, but fear not all supported by clever tax incentives.
It takes at least $80/barrel before any ALT to oil even begins to make sense.
Green Jobs, sounds a like like 'hope', or 'change'.
Me thinks that OREO's 'green job', be very much like HITLERS 'brown-shirts', just another color for another day.
Hold on to your loved ones boys & girls.
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If you set BP free, and he comes back, he yours.
Of course there are always divorces quim, but I think these high-end divorce lawyers are correct in their assertion that divorce law is NOT recession proof, as some would think.
It takes a lot of money to finalize a 'divorce' walking away, is one thing, but the battle type is about money, and when in BAD-TIMES the money ain't there the incentive for WAR is not there, ...
Like it or NOT during the great depression, it made people into better people, nothing like collective misery to bring out the best in people.
Nothing like BEND GREED to bring out the worst in people.
Misery loves company, and depressions bring folks together, like my folks used to tell me, when people in the HOOD had food, they would share with the whole block. I remember they told me people would leave out buckets on the front porch. Which meant people had something to share.
Selfishness can cause the things that cause divorce, during hard times people can change.
Obviously this is one of those debates where everybody is right.
Who gets the last word?
1.) I didn't get my fucking NAP.
2.) Its time to HOOF.
Now on sharing, my folks came from a hood where all had grown up, and everyone knew everyone.
Now we got da Bend, where everybody came from elsewhere, and nobody gives a fuck about the other person, and crime, a lot of people will see sharing as a sign of someone who has too much, ... I just don't see PRETTY outcome in the BEND pic, but that said I look back on my own street here in BEND, and almost all us know each other, we all look out for one another, and we all pretty much own our homes, and most bought long ago, ... I know most of Bend is NOT this way, but I feel that my hood will take care of itself.
There is a good story in the SORE this week about a woman living in an STD that see's it collapse, HBM can you reference this for others??
Now those kinds of places have no soul or core, they'll rot in this new BEND, I'm sure folks like HBM or Dunc live in hoods like me.
Damn. Looking through todays NODs there are two in Newport Gardens (those friggen huge ones between 13th and 14th on Newport).
This has to be one of the most fucked subdivisions. 14 lots, and now 7 of them have gone into default. Most of them owe around $650k.
Add in the modern houses down the street and there were defaults on over $6.5 million in just those two blocks.
131 NODs so far in December. That's the most I've seen by the 15th of any month.
>There is a good story in the SORE this week about a woman living in an STD that see's it collapse, HBM can you reference this for others??
Empty Houses: When it becomes your turn to feel the downturn
Madoff Investors May Be Protected By Government
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.......
SERIOUS QUESTION:
Why is this country/gov't so damn scared of a downturn???
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Yeah, one guy appoints a lobbyist lawyer, and the other appoints a Nobel-prize winning scientist, for the same position, Sec Energy.
Yeah, that's fucking McSame.
Get a clue.
Re: UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.......
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Love this quote from that article:
"University endowments, pension funds; the scope seems to be limitless and affects little people too," says Mulholland.
You think it affects any autoworkers making "$78/hr"?
This thing is going to really push the class clash, if the media actually carries it much longer.
Madoff Investors May Be Protected By Government
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.......
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and UN-FUCKING-TRUE:
"SIPC is neither a government agency nor a regulatory authority. It is a nonprofit, membership corporation, funded by its member securities broker-dealers."
http://www.sipc.org/who/statute.cfm
further, the insurance only covers up to $500,00 per client.
Re: This has to be one of the most fucked subdivisions.
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Jane, you've found our own little Happy Valley.
Re: and UN-FUCKING-TRUE:
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Buster, let's hope it remains UNTRUE.
Re: Madoff
The Economist recalls a Warren Buffett classic quote that feels very timely right now: "It's only when the tide goes out that you learn who's been swimming naked."
Those folks are connected, and they want to be bailed out.
Fuck tens of thousands of autoworkers--my goddamn charity to show our kids how great of a democracy Israel is, is fucked!!!
Serious Obama moment coming...
"It was pretty apparent that it was, we will pay off your campaign debt if you give us favoritism," said Bend City Councilor Peter Gramlich. That is how he interpreted a message left on his personal phone requesting a meeting before the city council votes on Bend's urban growth boundary expansion, a decision that can mean millions of dollars in increased property value for landowners who are included.
This is attempted bribery. Which is a crime. If anybody in this shithole town cares. Which they probably don't.
FOX is fucking lame.
Watching a couple shows, trying anyway, and no sound. Find the KFXO website to find their phone, and it says
Page Not Found
We're sorry, there was something wrong with your HTTP request or the page you requested does not exist. Please try back later. If you have any questions or comments, please contact your Client Services Representative. Thank you for your patience.
Perhaps they could have left a phone number on that page.
We'll just watch something else.
>>>There is a good story in the SORE this week about a woman living in an STD that see's it collapse, HBM can you reference this for others??
Thank you SORE. Slowly the layers of the onion are getting peeled away.
This is attempted bribery.
This is Bend.
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Actually, the SORE story is about westside Redmond, not Bend. Just west of Dry Canyon.
Why would you want to live next to "Dry" Canyon, to start with?
>>>Actually, the SORE story is about westside Redmond, not Bend. Just west of Dry Canyon.
I'm just happy that ANY frickin media in this town (Butter excluded...holy fuck did I just call Butter "media"?) is starting to print the pain. Obviously this woman gets the fact she's pretty screwed. It's happening all over town. The Bulletin's complete denial just makes them look more stupid than normal. I'm sure COBA sluts aren't happy the SORE printed it but it's what people are seeing/feeling. Better than Costa picking op/ed's explaining how we aren't "over valued".
If you set the BP free and he comes back, he's your's, if he doesn't he never was.
I keep saying that over & over & still my dick is limp.
Fuck 'love' I'm going to craigslist and finding an escort service.
This is attempted bribery. Which is a crime. If anybody in this shithole town cares. Which they probably don't.
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That's the funniest thing I heard tonight. Here the BP is all lubed up, and you folks are worried about corruption in BEND. Pleeeeeeeeeze.
Is our 'marge' now Jane really HBM? Go figure, its Bend.
Actually, the SORE story is about westside Redmond, not Bend. Just west of Dry Canyon.
- BP
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Just a few hours ago you were telling us that vista was a commercial property on Powell BUTT, now your telling us that dry canyon is in Redmond, BP pleeze isn't there any MORMRON boyz to fuck in the ass in BEND?
Bend's own held, connections t BP's Redmond established ... I love this now a man who shops @ walmart in Bend is a 'Redmond' man, ... Only in Bend.
Bank-bomb suspect's Central Oregon ties revealed
Salem man held in deadly Woodburn bank bombing
Ex-Redmond man allegedly bought bomb parts at Bend Wal-Mart
By Nina Mehlhaf, KTVZ.COM
We're learning much more about the ties to the High Deset of the Salem man police arrested for allegedly making a bomb that killed two officers in Woodburn.
Authorities believe that Joshua Turnidge was in Bend last month and bought most of the materials used to make that bomb at our local Wal-Mart.
He's 32, a Salem wireless company technician, and police in the Valley say he made the bomb that killed Oregon State Police bomb squad technician Bill Hakim, Woodburn officer Tom Tennant and critically injured Woodburn Police Chief Scott Russell, also wounding a bank employee.
Joshua Abraham Turnidge was arrested Sunday at the Salem home he reportedly shares with his girlfriend and her two kids.
The bomb went off Friday night at Woodburn's West Coast Bank, after a bank employee found it in bushes outside. The OSP bomb squad had just moved it inside the building when it blew.
Marion County Sheriff Russ Isham said cell phones and items that might have been used to make the bomb were bought in Bend last month.
The Bend FBI office tells NewsChannel 21 Turnidge went shopping for it all at the Bend Wal-Mart.
Store managers say they're working with police to find more surveillance video like the released pictures of Turnidge while he was here.
Police wouldn't reveal details of the device, but bombers have been known to use cell phone signals to remotely detonate explosives.
NewsChannel 21 also has learned Turnidge has more ties to Central Oregon. Up until 2002, he and his family had lived in Redmond's Skyline Ridge neighborhood for a period of time, at a home on Northwest 20th Street.
Neighbors there were shocked to hear the news, and say most family members moved to the Albany and Salem area.
So far, the motive for the bombing isn't clear. According to his Salem neighbors, Turnidge reportedly was going through a divorce and was in massive debt, but why he allegedly targeted the West Coast Bank, we'll have to wait and see.
Turnidge has been charged with manufacturing a destructive device, assault, attempted aggravated murder and six counts of aggravated murder. He faces a judge Tuesday morning for his arraignment.
It was announced late Monday that A memorial procession and ceremony for Tennant is scheduled to begin at 10:30 a.m. Friday at the Woodburn Dragstrip, with a procession to the Salem Armory at the state Fairgrounds, where a memorial service is set for 1 p.m.
Bend the Must Visit City for Bombers, & Wannabe Terrorists
Bend Bulletin(C) Bend, Oregon
December 14, 2008
(Bend, Oregon) COVA Bends Central Oregon Visitor Association has just been granted $472k dollars by the city of bend for the promoting new Bend Pyro Mall & Weapons Bizarre.
Situated by the Old New Mill, the new Bend Pryo Mall will sell explosives, cell phone detonators, explosive phone cards. Specializing in detonators, high explosives, binary's, and a wide variety altitude controlled fuses. Remote controlled detonators for all ranges. New laser triggers for avoiding radio detection, or radio jamming anti-terrorist systems.
Computer Fire Control systems that previously could only be found at the DOD research labs are now readily available for public purchase in Bend, Oregon.
Bruce Aberpussy of Bend Oregon says "With all the terrorism in the world, Bend was just being passed by". So far the City has met its goal. Most of the recent killings and bombing in the Pacific Northwest had their components traced back to Bend, Oregon. Aberpussy went on to say that the ripple effect had already improved tourist traffic at Bend Hotels & Bars.
A hit with the familys is the Little-Bomber Pyro Center, where children can mix harmless binary chemicals and create their own high explosives in minutes and detonate their work product on site. It's really fun for the whole family say's COVA, and it really puts Bend on the map so when people think of death Bend comes to their mind.
Aberpussy said, "Bend has always been #1, and we want the whole world to know we're #1".
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You would know far better than myself.
Nothing in today's Bullshittin about the attempted bribery of Peter Gramlich. Odds are there never will be anything. That kind of story isn't "positive" enough.
Besides which, the would-be briber probably is one of Costa's golf buddies.
>>>>Is our 'marge' now Jane really HBM? Go figure, its Bend.<<
I am still me.
I have a pussy.
Jane IS a pussy imposter.
HB, did you listen to the message? Recognize the voice? Sounded like a middle-aged woman.
It's here, about 30 seconds in:
http://kohd.com/news/local/71706
Damn, Google did it again...
HB, did you listen to the message? Recognize the voice? Sounded like a middle-aged woman.
It's here, about 30 seconds in:
http://kohd.com/news/local/71706
Hackers exploiting `zero-day' flaw in Internet Explorer; thousands of sites compromised
December 16, 2008
SAN FRANCISCO
Users of all current versions of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer browser might be vulnerable to having their computers hijacked because of a serious security hole in the software that had yet to be fixed Monday....
Use this instead:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
Pretty sure everyone's already using something besides IE.
Or if they aren't, they like the idea of having their computer compromised. No helping those people.
Nothing in today's Bullshittin about the attempted bribery of Peter Gramlich. Odds are there never will be anything. That kind of story isn't "positive" enough.
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Maybe the SORE will make it a cover one story, and maybe pigs will fly out of BP's glory hole?
Everyone should be using firefox, with no-script add-on, in order to block all of homer's trojan horses, never access BB2 without full protection. Homers got more spybots on this site than BUSH has enemys.
The only 'friendly' should be your online bank.
This is the FUTURE read the following carefully, ... I tell kids all the time that sci/eng is a dead end road, ...
Young Graduates Struggle for Silicon Valley Jobs
Silicon Valley companies that initially resisted the swooning of the economy are looking to cut costs and shed entry-level positions, and people in their 20s are finding a college degree is no longer their golden ticket to a dream job in high tech.
Why its essential to release and bailout Made-Off.
Bailout Madoff!
By: Brady Willett, FallStreet.com
With the financial markets already in a state of panic and the global recession expected to worsen in 2009, we can ill afford to allow the financial institutions, charities, and rich idiots that entrusted Bernard Madoff with their money to go bust. As for the widespread contention that since Mr. Madoff committed fraud he deserves to go to jail, do not think of Madoff as operating a ponzi scheme so much as a Strong Armed Perception Fund (SAP Fund), and don’t think of him as breaking the law so much breaking new ground in the arena of fictitious returns.
In short, there needs to be a new bailout effort entitled the Criminal Reprieve Assistance Program (CRAP) to provide ingenious criminals like Madoff the tools required to help kick start the faltering U.S. economy. By investing $100 billion with Madoff so that he can start-up a new and improved SAP Fund and make current clients whole, the CRAP would immediately help restore confidence in the marketplace. Concurrent with the Madoff bailout pieces of CRAP could also be used to expedite the release of jailed mortgage brokers so that they can help stabilize the collapsing U.S. housing market by doing what they do best - underwriting crappy mortgages.
What we have failed to learn time and time again is that the Madoffs’ of this world take risks that ordinary investors do not, and only when these criminals amass enough capital and clout does the average investor stand to benefit. If adopted the CRAP can effectively flush out the safety-crazed attitudes of investors now taking root and allow unlawful innovation and the temporary perception of wealth to flourish once again. It goes without saying that the only alternative if the CRAP sinks and Madoff doesn’t get bailed out is financial Armageddon, millions of jobs losses, and another Great Depression.
The fall in silicon valley will throw California politics into disarray. They will simply not have enough money to achieve all their goals. Cuts will be the rule, and friends will become enemies.
Look for a disaster in bay Area house prices.
I'll write about UGB, cuz I was involved with UGB as SB100 back in 1972 in Salem.
Unlike HBM who just moved here like the BP pussy, these KUNTS don't understand what the fuck is going on.
First of all UGB is a line in the sand around city's and it looks like a gerrymandered map, some lucky ducks are in others out.
When this first became law, those IN saw their land go UP, thoses OUT, saw their land collapse in value. Shortly thereafter insiders in GOV, bought the LOW priced, and then lobbied to have that land 'included'.
It's NOT about selling, its about the lever of power to DROP or INCREASE land value.
Everybody in Bend near the fringe of the UGB boundary, wants to be IN, so their land value is UP, so they can sell and get the hell out. Also if you can lobby to have someones property be removed then you can collapse their value, get their property CHEAP, and then re-lobby to have it back in.
Drawing the boundary is just a pencil, and a few LCDC ( land control ) administrators in each region get to make the choice. Since 1972 the people controlling the UGB pencil in ORYGUN have been the king-makers of wealth.
Now WHO created UGB? Why it was Tom McCall back in 1972 as luv-guv, who was a PUG, and who paid? Why it was Mike Hollern ( black butt ) who owns BEND, and it was OMARK's John Gray who owned Sunriver. Back in the day these two birds were the richest men in ORYGUN.
Jump, hop, skip to today, and guess who owns almost all the land north of Bend, and around Juniper-Ridge? If you guess HOLLERN then you get to stick your finger up BP's ass and smell it all week.
The above is ALL you need to know about UGB. Then just apply the same to every fucking city over 25k in the state, and the racket is all played the same.
What NEWBIES who come from say CALI who buy this FRINGE land don't understand is that their value can go 10X either way over night by the flick of someone on HOLLERN's payroll.
I love Bend.
Unlimited worthless desert land, just rock outcropping, turned into pure GOLD.
SO NOW I ask all you KUNTS, given that UGB has for almost 40 years been a racket, and those who influence the pencil holders with cash, get rich, why is this news that people are offering POLS money??
This fucking GREASE so fucking part of ORYGUN its simply amazing, most of the fault is that the MEDIA is made up of KUNTS like HBM that just moved here yesterday, and KUNTS like BP that just moved here an hour ago, and tell us about ORYGUN.
What's going on over at NWXing? A fleet of ServPro fire/water damage trucks. Retailers with the shelves/products out on the sidewalk.
Burst water pipe?
RUMOR>>Not yet comfirmed !!!!
Was just told that Summit Accomodaters has skipped town and possibly with some money that was not theirs..
Any confirmation from the gallery?
Usually the following blog is useless, but check out this post:
Central Oregon Short Sale Sellers Beware!
December 15th, 2008 Posted in Bend, Central Oregon, Central Oregon Info, La Pine, Listings In Central Oregon, Three Rivers South
Sellers that are attempting a short sale need to be aware and careful. Agents of these homes should also be on their toes. Friday I got a call while I was at a home inspection, and preoccupied. The caller had called my office and spoke to my principal broker who directed the caller to call me about an expired la pine home listing of mine.
The caller was looking for information on a la pine home that has been listed as a short sale for several months. The home has not sold and the sellers have moved out and into a rental. The sellers have not abandoned the property and are there usually daily.
The caller claimed to be with an asset management company and needed access to the property to winterize it. I know for a fact that the sellers have until February to resolve their back payments and that the bank that hold the note on this property has been in contact with the sellers. When I questioned the caller as to why they would need access to a Central Oregon home that did not belong to the bank they could not answer my questions.
They did not hang up and tried to convince me of their urgent need with the cold weather coming. I did not give them access to the home and let the seller know right away. Today, I discovered that there is a group of people posing as asset managers and stripping homes in Central Oregon listed as short sales. They are removing everything they can from homes such as lighting fixtures, heat pumps, even toilets.
I was thankful that I took the approach that a bank has no right to a home prior to auction any more than a bank will allow early occupancy to a buyer. Sellers even if you are not in a short sale but your home is vacant please be careful - make sure the people entering your home have authorization to do so and that your agent is not giving these people free reign to your home.
Re: Summit
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From summit1031.com
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SUMMIT 1031 EXCHANGE
December 15, 2008
To All Customers of Summit 1031 Exchange:
Summit Accommodators, Inc. ("SAI"), which maintains the exchange fund accounts for customers of Summit 1031 Exchange ("Summit Customers"), is experiencing significant financial issues. As a result, at this time, Summit is not accepting new exchanges, has curtailed its daily operations, and ceased funding existing exchanges until SAI can address and resolve its financial issues.
Currently, there are significant funds in the exchange fund accounts maintained by SAI. However, the balances are less than the total amount of all currently open exchanges for Summit Customers. SAI is attempting to address this liquidity problem through the liquidation of other assets and potentially available resources. SAI is committed to making every effort to address and correct these issues.
Summit sincerely regrets the concern SAI's financial issues presents for Summit Customers. SAI management is devoting all of its attention to finding a prompt resolution of these issues and avoiding detriment to Summit Customers. Further status updates will be provided on Summit's website at www.summit1031exchange.com as soon as possible."
summit1031exchange.com is down.
I don't get it. What did summit do? Why was it holding client money for exchanges?
"SERIOUS QUESTION:
Why is this country/gov't so damn scared of a downturn???"
Quimby: A "downturn" means massive unemployment. It means thousands, no, hundreds of thousands, no, MILLIONS of people lose their jobs.
It means more crime. It means we need bigger prisons. It means we need more money for unemployment and medicare.
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If it was just a question of each of us getting by with a little less, then OK, a downturn is fine.
But when it means massive unemployment, that means it's a massive problem.
Have you ever been to a third world country? What you see is young men ages 18-30 loitering on the streets with nothing to do except cause trouble.
Do you want to live in a country where young men ages 18-30 have nothing to do?
Sure, you will say "get a job," but NOT if it means that they work at Wal-Mart.
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The construction boom was nice because without an education, you could get a job in construction: work outside, have an excuse to drive a pickup, buy boats and motorcylces, and live nice.
Now all those construction types are out of work -- and guess what, the factories are not hiring right now.
Even Toyota is moth-balling a new manufacturing plant intended to build Priuses.
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In short, it's all about UNEMPLOYMENT. How can we keep as many people working as possible?
That is the point of macro-economics. That is what the government policy types are worried about.
SEC favoritism of Made-Off goes back to Clinton
The Wall Street Journal
Dec. 16, 2008
SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said initial findings of an investigation into the commission's handling of the Bernard Madoff case are "deeply troubling." In a statement, Mr. Cox said the investigation has discovered that Mr. Madoff "kept several sets of books and false documents, and provided false information involving his advisory activities to investors and to regulators."
Mr. Cox said the SEC had "credible and specific allegations" going back to at least 1999 that were not aggressively pursued by the staff. The agency relied only on Mr. Madoff's voluntary production of statements and reports and never carried out subpoenas of other information, in what he described as "multiple failures."
He also said any SEC staff members who knew Mr. Madoff were recused from the current investigation.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bernie-madoff-on-the-modern-stock-market/
Better than a BP sex video, here Made-Off tells how in 2007, that enemy of the US Jew is the SEC.
"The monstrous credit and debt bubble in the United States, through years of overaccommodation by the Federal Reserve, has created an economy with an array of horrible and massive dislocations and imbalances that make a sustained recovery impossible." —Kurt Richebacher
Want to know WHY HBM SORE/BULL is the MOST evil person in BEND: He is the Bend Bubble.
The introduction of new communications devices and systems– financial newspapers, the telegraph, the telephone, the stock ticker, radio, television, the internet — all in their time served to generate interest in the bubble phase of the credit cycle. In his now classic book, Irrational Exuberance, Robert Shiller asserted that no bubbles occurred until the introduction of newspapers.
SO AGAIN– HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
http://www.thedismaloptimist.com/
The world seems to be heading for a deflationary abyss with governments around the world flinging money at the problem with no worries about sowing the seeds of inflation later. The entire process is totally out of control, like an airplane spiraling towards the ground, the pilot desperately applying countermeasures. Zero short term interest rates incentivize investors to reach out for higher yields. But the huge growth in money supplies flash a warning signal that hyperinflation could come later and obliterate the value of all fixed income investments.
I subscribe to a number of investment letters. I have never seen such confusion. Some are predicting continued massive deflation. Others massive inflation. Some are urging Buy, Buy, Buy for the stock market. Others are suggesting the worst is yet to come. Stay in cash or buy gold.
Economic recovery, Great Depression style deflation or Weimar Republic hyperinflation? Take your choice.
So how did we get in this fix? Under the free market/monetarist/efficient market framework that accompanied the rise of Reagan, Thatcher and Deng Xiaoping, markets were assumed to be efficient. Financial innovation and leverage were good things. So long as money supply (however defined) grew at a steady, non-inflationary pace, markets would correctly price assets. The system was supposed to have a tendency to return to equilibrium on its own, and economic cycles would be manageable.
But in fact an economic cycle has come that seems to be out of control.
The Malfunctioning International Financial System Explanation
The Dismal Optimist has been arguing that a malfunctioning international monetary system is one cause of the current problems. Countries with surplus dollars have held down the value of their currencies, have bought dollars and inflated global money supply. In my opinion, China has been the biggest offender here and China is now paying the price. A bubble in manufacturing facilities oriented towards exports has grown up on the China coast. Reportedly thousands of these manufacturing firms are going bankrupt and China may be headed for its own hard landing.
I just attended the Fourth Annual Asia Economic Summit in Hong Kong. It was very interesting meeting for what was said and what was not said. Speaker after speaker called for a restructured international monetary system, one that reflected the new economic power of Asia. But nobody talked much about how to do that. People sense there is a problem, but perhaps the arcane nature of international finance makes it difficult to pinpoint what that problem is. Or perhaps some of the speakers shied away from the politics that is implied in any restructuring of the global finance system. In my opinion the restructured system has to start with a revaluation of the renminbi and elimination of Chinese capital controls. China has to stop buying US dollars, thereby holding down the value of the renminbi and adding to the global money supply. China has to allow its citizens to invest in the global equity markets including Hong Kong. (It is interesting that Hong Kong went back to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. But Chinese citizens cannot buy Chinese stocks in Hong Kong. It is as if the Handover never happened! )
The Financial Instability Explanation
There is another explanation for the current boom/bust which lies outside the free market/monetarist/ efficient market framework and which until recently has gotten very little attention. And one we can’t blame the Chinese for. This explanation is laid out rather skillfully in a new book by George Cooper called The Origin of Financial Crises. Cooper concedes that central bank money creation as described above “creates one-way irreversible positive inflation” and that excess money growth is one cause of inflation.
But Cooper describes another type of inflation that is derived from what he calls “private sector credit creation.” Unlike public sector central bank money creation which creates high powered money out of thin air and does not produce additional debt, private sector money creation involves the simultaneous creation of offsetting debt. People borrow for new projects and for new consumption. Positive feedback loops and natural human tendencies toward herd behavior keep the process going until a point of excess is reached and the debt becomes a major problem. Once that point of excess is reached there is very little the central banks can do. Deleveraging and asset price deflation become unstoppable.
According to Cooper, equilibrium, as defined in the efficient market hypothesis, does not exist. The economy oscillates between private sector credit booms and busts. It is the job of central banks to moderate these booms and busts. Asset price movements rather than consumer price inflation should be what central banks should moderate. The monetarist prescription of keeping the money supply growing at a constant, non-inflationary rate – whether this is achieved by deliberate central bank policy or by some type of gold standard – will not fix the problem. Credit driven asset price booms and busts will arise regardless of whether central banks are creating money in excess or not.
Cooper’s work is based upon the work of the late Hyman Minsky who developed the Financial Instability Hypothesis. Minsky thought financial markets were inherently unstable, given to credit-driven booms and busts. Until recently, Minsky has been generally ignored by the economics profession.
A Glance at the History of Prior Booms and Busts
For the graduate course in valuation that I developed, I spent quite a bit of time researching prior booms and busts. I discovered something that puzzled me. With my monetarist training, I always looked for a monetarist explanation for prior booms and busts. Somewhere there had to be an excess growth of money to explain each cycle. But in fact I couldn’t find monetarist explanations for all the bubbles. For some yes but clearly there were others where the monetarist explanation seemed to be deficient.
For starters for most of its history prior to 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created, the US didn’t have a central bank. So who was creating the high powered money out of thin air? With the exception of French reparations to Germany after the Franco Prussian War in 1871, at least for the major countries I have found no explanations based on gold movements, at least for the boom part of the cycle. Of course, for gold enthusiasts such a finding would be embarrassing. If rapid increases in high powered money and resulting boom bust cycles were due to an influx of gold, this would undermine gold’s reputation for promoting financial stability.
Prior to 1913 US certainly had its share of asset boom/busts that were accompanied by bank panics and economic setbacks. In 1873 for example the US along with a number of other countries experienced a significant stock market and economic downturn. Global overinvestment in railroads was a driving factor.
SOME PRIOR BUBBLES IN FINANCIAL HISTORY
1. Exhange Alley, England -1696
2. South Sea Company/Mississippi Scheme 1720
3. Briitsh Canal Mania –1793
4. Crash of 1825- United Kingdom
5. Crash of 1837
6. Crash of 1893
7. Crash of 1929
8. Japanese Bubble -1989
9. Internet Bubble - 2000
The literature describing these earlier boom/bust cycles is filled with descriptions of what could be called positive feedback loops – i.e. mechanisms that promoted the boom independent of any changes in high powered money—and an investor class susceptible to over enthusiasm and herd behavior. All of this fits the Minsky view of the world.
The first mechanism that turned up in every boom was abuses and excesses of credit creation. Prominent in contemporary accounts are all kinds of what now would be called margin schemes for buying IPOs. Financial systems, especially those with fractional reserve banking, are ingenious in coming up with new ways to leverage new business opportunities. The credit was always forthcoming. The busts always involved leveraged overinvestment in favored asset classes, accompanied by frauds and followed by bankruptcies and deflation. As day follows night, deleveraging followed overleveraging. In the contemporary literature central banks are not blamed for this. They are usually not even mentioned. According to Cooper, financial instability “caused central banking, not the other way around (at least not originally).”
A second positive feedback loop is innovations in communications. Today it is CNBC and Bloomberg and the internet. You can watch a giant Bloomberg screen in the main subway station in Hong Kong if you want. Or sit almost anywhere in the world in Starbucks and wifi your way into the markets. In the England of the 1690s stocks were traded in the coffeehouses. Presumably the coffee wasn’t up to today’s caffe latte standards. Nevertheless, the infant newspaper industry helped generate enthusiasm in the coffee houses for the purchase of securities. The introduction of new communications devices and systems– financial newspapers, the telegraph, the telephone, the stock ticker, radio, television, the internet — all in their time served to generate interest in the bubble phase of the credit cycle. In his now classic book, Irrational Exuberance, Robert Shiller asserted that no bubbles occurred until the introduction of newspapers.
In theory, communications improvements make markets more efficient. But especially when they are first introduced to the investing public, excitement is generated. In most cases such as the internet, the new means of communication was itself the object of speculation and overinvestment.
A third positive feedback mechanism was the fact that new, perhaps therefore less sophisticated investors, historically have constantly joined the investing universe. Today it is Chinese and Indian investors.
The Bottom Line
The two explanations for the current global boom bust —excess internationally derived high powered money creation and Minsky private sector credit creation– are not incompatible and are unfortunately additive. As a result the world is in a perfect storm of boom bust. Governments today have no choice but to throw money at the current deleveraging. But we have no assurance that these efforts will work, or that if they do, that they will not bring about hyperinflation. Because of past misguided policies, our governments must now take a huge gamble with our currencies and by implication with our investment portfolios.
Finally, we have no assurance that the infamous anti-deflation policy response of the Great Depression – protectionism—will not raise its ugly head, perhaps disguised this time in “green” or a anti-outsourcing cloaks. Intellectually, if governments take the view that they must do whatever it takes to avoid deflation and that this end justifies whatever the means, then the populist temptation of protectionism becomes more difficult to resist. However much they really didn’t mean what they said, the Democratic candidates did publicly embrace protectionism in their primaries. Sincere or not, they may find it to be an irresistible temptation when they take power and the unemployment numbers are rising.
My own view is that for the near term further deleveraging and deflation will prevail globally. Yes the markets look ahead and they are currently rallying from an oversold condition. But the markets may not fully appreciate how bad things can get. What’s happening today has not happened before, at least not on this scale. On anything but a trading basis, I think it’s too early to buy stocks or real estate or art despite the apparent values that now exist.
Everytime I read something about Madoff, I am reminded of Buffett's quote about tides and seeing whose naked:
You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.
How many more are out there without trunks, let alone a life jacket?
It's fairly Bend-Obvious that every fucking person with 500mi of Wall St is involved, did you listen to the Made-Off video above. ... His entire theme was 'buy & hold', hell of course, because he knew that he could never return the money.
The entire 'buy & hold' racket, then here is the PUSSY-BP quoting the BUFFETEEE the biggest fucking CROOK in the USA.
BUFFFEETE will go down PUSSY, do you think his game hasn't been a confidence scam?? Buffeete does the exact same thing that MADE-OFF did, was was to tell the 'investors' nothing, ...
It's all going down.
For 40+ years people have been blindly 'investing' in Wall St, and now its all going to evaporate.
For 40+ years everybody in Bend, and all other city's have been playing the UGB Roulette, and constantly bringing in new CALI's to slaughter.
That's two generations of theft, and now its all going to evaporate.
Homer long ago predicted a JAPAN style 'lost 10-20 years' for the USA, and its here. TODAY we got JAP style zero-percent interest rates.
Made-Off, BUfeetee, ... it all works fine as long as nobody SELL's, but that's what happens in a de-leveraging, everybody sell's, so now its game-over for everybody.
BUY&HOLD
Yes, for 40+ years they were told, now we know why.
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BUFFFEETE will go down PUSSY, do you think his game hasn't been a confidence scam?? Buffeete does the exact same thing that MADE-OFF did, was was to tell the 'investors' nothing, ...
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I doubt it. A big part of his portfolio is made up of private companies he bought, like RC Willey. And he is quite open with his holdings, unlike Madoff. Read his annual investor letters.
Damn Google, got to watch it close to keep the no-follows out:
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BUFFFEETE will go down PUSSY, do you think his game hasn't been a confidence scam?? Buffeete does the exact same thing that MADE-OFF did, was was to tell the 'investors' nothing, ...
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I doubt it. A big part of his portfolio is made up of private companies he bought, like RC Willey. And he is quite open with his holdings, unlike Madoff. Read his annual investor letters.
Anybody catch 60 Minutes last Sunday?
A Second Mortgage Disaster On The Horizon?
In 2007, Tilson teamed up with Amherst Securities, an investment firm that specializes in mortgages. Amherst had done some financial detective work, analyzing the millions of mortgages that were bundled into those mortgage-backed securities that Wall Street was peddling. It found that the sub-primes, loans to the least credit-worthy borrowers, were defaulting. But Amherst also ran the numbers on what were supposed to be higher quality mortgages.
"It was data we'd never seen before and that's what made us realize, 'Holy cow, things are gonna be much worse than anyone anticipates,'" Tilson says.
The trouble now is that the insanity didn't end with sub-primes. There were two other kinds of exotic mortgages that became popular, called "Alt-A" and "option ARM." The option ARMs, in particular, lured borrowers in with low initial interest rates - so-called teaser rates - sometimes as low as one percent. But after two, three or five years those rates "reset." They went up. And so did the monthly payment. A mortgage of $800 dollars a month could easily jump to $1,500.
Now the Alt-A and option ARM loans made back in the heyday are starting to reset, causing the mortgage payments to go up and homeowners to default.
"The defaults right now are incredibly high. At unprecedented levels. And there’s no evidence that the default rate is tapering off. Those defaults almost inevitably are leading to foreclosures, and homes being auctioned, and home prices continuing to fall," Tilson explains.
"What you seem to be saying is that there is a very predictable time bomb effect here?" Pelley asks.
"Exactly. I mean, you can look back at what was written in '05 and '07. You can look at the reset dates. You can look at the current default rates, and it's really very clear and predictable what's gonna happen here," Tilson says.
Just look at a projection from the investment bank of Credit Suisse: there are the billions of dollars in sub-prime mortgages that reset last year and this year. But what hasn't hit yet are Alt-A and option ARM resets, when homeowners will pay higher interest rates in the next three years. We're at the beginning of a second wave.
"How big is the potential damage from the Alt As compared to what we just saw in the sub-primes?" Pelley asks.
"Well, the sub-prime is, was approaching $1 trillion, the Alt-A is about $1 trillion. And then you have option ARMs on top of that. That's probably another $500 billion to $600 billion on top of that," Tilson says.
Asked how many of these option ARMs he imagines are going to fail, Tilson says, "Well north of 50 percent. My gut would be 70 percent of these option ARMs will default."
"How do you know that?" Pelley asks.
"Well we know it based on current default rates. And this is before the reset. So people are defaulting even on the little three percent teaser interest-only rates they're being asked to pay today," Tilson says.
Fucking scary. More at the link.
Father like Son, sort of like the buster & pussy show
Father of suspect arrested in Oregon bombing
Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:05pm EST
PORTLAND, Ore., Dec 16 (Reuters) - Police on Tuesday arrested the father of a suspect in an Oregon bank bombing that killed two police officers and wounded another last week.
Bruce Turnidge, 57, of rural Salem, Oregon, was arrested on Tuesday morning on charges of conspiracy to manufacture and to possess an explosive device, the Marion County District Attorney's office said in a statement.
The bomb that Turnidge and his son, Joshua Turnidge, 32, are accused of building exploded in a bank on Friday in Woodburn, a small town about 30 miles (50 km) south of Portland.
Police have not disclosed a possible motive.
Law enforcement officials responded to a report of a bomb threat at the Wells Fargo bank in Woodburn on Friday morning, police said. A device found there was harmless, but it led investigators to a nearby West Coast Bank branch.
There, a second device was discovered outside the bank. State and Woodburn police took it into the evacuated bank, where it detonated, instantly killing two officers and injuring a third.
The younger Turnidge could face the death penalty. He is facing 13 charges, including aggravated murder, and at a hearing on Friday morning he requested a court-appointed lawyer. He is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 26. (Reporting by Dan Cook; Editing by Peter Henderson)
I doubt it. A big part of his portfolio is made up of private companies he bought, like RC Willey. And he is quite open with his holdings, unlike Madoff. Read his annual investor letters.
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I have read all his dribble. He's no different than Made-Off except he's worse.
Those companys he 'owns' all have the same secret books that made-off was running, 'when' buffet has to start de-leveraging to payoff all those fucking CDO's he got paid in advance for, he's going to implode.
It's all the same fucking thing, everything about BRK.A is a fucking secret, and when people have to hide how they make money, there is usually something wrong.
Read all the shit about Made-Off ten years ago he refused to tell people how he made all those returns in the badtimes, turns out they were all cooked books, buffett is worse because he tells nothing, and the psychology is reflected in his stock price. Eventually people will have to de-leverage the shit, and when they do buffet will implode.
It's the same for made-off, every body knew the redemptions were coming, and made-off couldn't cover them, so he had to protect his son, and his legacy. The real question now is this BIG-LIE that nobody knew but the old man. Yeh right, two generations of LIE's and nobody knew.
The fact is people did know, and report on MadeOff years ago, and people have been reporting on BUFFET for years.
For you info PUSSY, you can BUY all the BUFFET newsletters for all time, and I have the complete collection.
They're just fucking war story's, and bullshit.
BUFFET is a classical confidence man, and he'll go down in this storm, like AIG, made-off, ... all these titans who had these one man shows post WWII, they'll all go down.
The real question is who will survive??
Who will make the good bets?
There is a theory going around that with the worthless inflated dollars coming, that foreigners will buy everything, and the future is that the USA becomes a third-world slave state owned by outsiders, and everyone works for foreigners,
Anybody that keeps money in BRK.A is going to lose, but that said, if they cash out, they'll still have to pay it back, those that cashed out earl of MADE-OFF, have to pay it all back.
You can't win.
made-off did the same thing, the video above is one of his camp fire investor sessions, ...
all these old guys running these empires try to appear as good old boyz, if they were really making money, they wouldn't have play the confidence game all the time,
TYPE: Deed of Trust / Mortgage CONSIDERATION: $5,000,000 DATE REC: 9/22/2008 8:52:58 AM
DIRECT: NEUMAN, MARK A INDIRECT: INLAND CAPITAL CORP
DIRECT: NEUMAN, JANICE L
SUBDIVISION: AWBREY BUTTE HOMESITES PHASE SEVENTEEN LOT: 22 BLOCK: 6
SUBDIVISION: AWBREY BUTTE HOMESITES PHASE 30 LOT: 7
SUBDIVISION: HIGHLANDS AT BROKEN TOP PHASE 2 LOT: 36
One last loan made by Summit AKA Inland Capital.
Funny who the recipient of the loan happened to be.
OK, who's Mark & Janice Neuman?
Warren Buffett: People Thought "I Was Doing Some Sort of Ponzi Scheme"
Posted By:Alex Crippen
Topics:Crime | Bernard Madoff | Warren Buffett
Companies:Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
"There were people in Omaha who thought what I was doing was some sort of Ponzi scheme."
That's Warren Buffett talking about his early days as a money manager in the late 1950s, before Berkshire Hathaway, as quoted by Alice Schroeder in her recent Buffett biography The Snowball. (Page 221)
It wasn't an unreasonable thought.
Buffett was less than 30 years old, and looked even younger than he actually was. One of his early investors recalls that he looked like he was 18. "His collar was open; his coat was too big. He talked so very fast."
And, writes Schroeder, this young, brash, "immature" man who no one knew very well was dictating "ground rules" for entry into one of his investing partnerships.
Buffett "wanted absolute control over the money and would tell his partners nothing about how it was invested... His solution to the problem of people being disappointed was that he wasn't going to give them the score after every hole, only once a year after playing eighteen holes. They would get an annual summary of his performance, and they could put money in or withdraw it only on December 31."
The performance of those partnerships, as reported by Buffett alone from his home office where he handled all the details himself, was consistently better than the stock market's returns.
Now, roughly 50 years later, we're hearing how there were many "warning flags" in the Bernard Madoff investment fraud, which may total as much as $50 billion. The returns were too consistent. Madoff was too secretive, working on a separate floor from the rest of the firm's operations. Some investors, they're now proud to say, stayed away because it just seemed too good to be true.
Life involves taking risks. The tricky part is deciding which risks are worth taking. You can think, and weigh, and investigate, but there's no certainty.
Warren Buffett created billions of dollars of wealth. Bernard Madoff, if his reported admissions prove to be true, has destroyed billions of dollars of wealth.
To their investors, both Buffett and Madoff appeared to be honest and trustworthy. In reality, only Buffett deserved that trust.
And that raises a question that's been knocked around by philosophers and playwrights for a very long time: Can we really know what's reality and what's illusion?
Faith, Doubt, and Warren Buffett
Losing Faith in Warren Buffett?
It's been a difficult year for the Warren Buffett faithful. Core beliefs are being tested.
Stock prices have plunged as the government struggles to contain the damage from what appears to be the worst financial and economic crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
Berkshire Hathaway is no exception. In late November, the Class A shares traded as low as $74,100 each. That was over 51 percent below their December 2007 all-time intraday high of $151,650.
After a rebound that took the stock back into six-digit territory, it is once again trading below $100,000.
Berkshire's net earnings plunged 77 percent in the third quarter, as Buffett's long-term wager on the health of global stocks racked up billions in short-term paper losses.
Bloomberg reports that bets against Buffett, in the form of short selling of Berkshire stock, rose to a six-year high last month.
Reuters asks, Is Warren Buffett Losing His Touch? The Wall Street Journal urges him to "get a new crystal ball."
Even page views for this blog are slowing down a bit. (Maybe I just haven't been doing enough posts!)
Buffett isn't worried. "It's happened before," he tells Fox. "A capitalist system overshoots .. but it works very well over time."
Almost two months ago, he told the world he's enthusiastically buying U.S. stocks for his own account, picking up a "slice of America's future at a marked-down price." But over those two months, the benchmark S&P 500 stock index has dropped another 8 percent.
Faith says that just as we know that winter won't last forever, we also know that stocks will eventually bloom again, too. Buy now while the nights are long and the storm rages, even if it is a "perfect" storm.
Doubt replies that this time, it's different. The financial markets don't move as reliably as the Sun and the Earth. Spring looks like it will be very, very late this time around. Things could get worse, and they will never be as good as they were.
For many Buffett followers, being "greedy when others are fearful" is a matter of faith, an acceptance of the idea that they should stay on the 'right' path despite all the nagging doubts that they're heading in the 'wrong' direction.
This is an invitation to share your thoughts. Are you losing your faith in Warren Buffett? In the style of investing that he has preached all these years?
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage
These words were written two years before George Washington became our first President. There is so much truth in these words it makes me shudder, especially since we are clearly in stage 7. An honest appraisal of our country’s downward spiral is necessary to begin the process of redemption. We have continually voted ourselves increased benefits, dependent upon the printing presses of the Federal Reserve to sustain our country’s ponzi scheme. We have pawned our future and the bill will eventually come due.
I can still smell BP on my fuck finger.
The definition of a ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying abnormally high returns to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from net revenues generated by the business. Mr. Madoff’s investment firm ponzi scheme was incredibly unsophisticated. He was spectacularly successful at marketing his fund to the ultra-rich Jewish communities in New York and Florida as well as Europeans at ski competitions attended by the rich ruling elite. His fund generated returns of 12% to 13% per year consistently for decades. The fund only had five losing months since 1996.
The market has had dramatic monthly moves over this time. It is a virtual statistical impossibility for an investor to have such a consistent record through bull and bear markets. Madoff refused to provide his clients online access to their accounts. He sent out accounting statements by mail, whereas most hedge funds email statements and allow them to be downloaded via computer for easier analysis by investors. His books were audited by a three-person accounting firm, Friehling & Horowitz, operating out of a 13-by-18 foot location in an office park in New York City’s northern suburbs. A $17 billion fund could not possibly be audited by one partner and one accountant. These facts were all warning signals that many skeptical investment analysts had pointed out years ago to the SEC and in articles in Barron’s.
It was not topnotch undercover investigating that revealed this fraud. The SEC investigated Madoff’s firm twice in the last eight years and found nothing. Madoff’s son-in-law was an SEC official. The SEC has an annual budget in excess of $900 million and has failed miserably in its mission to protect investors. The oversight of hedge funds has been virtually non-existent during the Bush administration. Again, Alan Greenspan, the patron saint of free markets, proved his prescience in 2000 when he campaigned before Congress to not regulate hedge funds. He described hedge funds as
a vibrant trillion-dollar industry dominated by U.S. firms. They are essentially free of government regulation, and I hope they will remain so. Why do we wish to inhibit the pollinating bees of Wall Street?
These killer bees have contributed greatly to the biggest financial destruction of wealth in history. What are the odds of one man being on the wrong side of every major financial debacle in our country in the last ten years? Mr. Greenspan wins the grand prize again.
What brought down Bernie Madoff was not his guilty conscience, but redemptions of $7 billion from investors that overwhelmed his ability to pay them from new funds. The story that he wants everyone to believe is that he was the only one who knew about the fraud. His brother, two sons, niece, and other family members held high level positions in the firm. It is beyond believability that none of these people knew what was going on. A $50 billion fraud can not be perpetuated by one man acting alone. It certainly appears that as a 70 year old man, he is attempting to shield his family members who should also be spending 20 years in prison. If he was truly remorseful, he would have done the world a favor and taken a swan dive off his 12th floor balcony. Instead, he will hire high powered lawyers, using his phony wealth, to extend his life of luxury secluded in his 12th floor hideaway. This is a man who gives Ponzi a bad name.
Last night, it happened to my 88 year-old grandfather Carl. World War II veteran, Captain in the Army, saw combat in the Philippines. His father was a dry-cleaner, his grandfather was a fabric dyer on the Lower East Side at the turn of the century. My granddad was scheduled to go into the invasion of Japan before we dropped the bomb. Instead of going into certain death, he came home and went to the City College of New York on the GI Bill.
Armed with a mathematics degree, my Grandfather eventually landed a job at Neuberger Berman. Became a CFA. Was a director of Tishman Speyer. Helped build Roosevelt Raceway. Ran the pension fund for Price Chopper supermarkets. I had dinner with my grandfather on Wednesday night. Over sushi, he told me about how amazing Bernie Madoff was. This was a common refrain in our conversations. “While the rest of the market is tanking, Madoff is up for the month.” Today, I bought the New York Post on the way to the subway. Bernie Madoff was on the front page. His fund was described as a “Ponzi scheme” that lost $50 billion. My phone rang. It was my mother.
“Your grandfather just lost everything,” she said.
The Madoff affair illustrates that rich people can be just as gullible and foolish as poor people. In their quest for social status and fitting in with the “smart” money crowd, affluent people all over the country put their life savings into the hands of this criminal. No investor can generate positive returns using the same strategy through all market cycles. Warning bells should have been going off. Diversification is the golden rule of investing. The foolishness of these people putting every dime with one man is maddening. Mr. Madoff’s nickname, “the Jewish T-bill”, is fitting today with T-bills providing negative yields.
Bernie Madoff’s ponzi scheme came crashing down when investors requested their money back and no one was willing to give him the funds to pay them off. The American ponzi scheme will come crashing down when our foreign creditors decide to no longer fund our foolish ventures. Foreigners own more than 50% of our existing government debt and have been buying 70% of our new issuances. The Treasury bills and bonds are paying less than 2.5%. Our unfunded liability of $53 trillion increases by $3 trillion per year. Our National Debt exceeds $10.6 trillion. In 2009 and 2010 we will run annual deficits in excess of $1 trillion. The Federal Reserve is printing dollars as fast as humanly possible. Every dollar printed makes the previous dollars less valuable. As our currency is debased, it will eventually collapse. Foreigners will refuse to pour more money down this rat hole. The biggest ponzi scheme in the history of the world will be over.
Friends ask me why I’m such a pessimist. These questions made me consider what I thought would happen over the last few years. I thought that the housing market would decline 10% to 20%. It has declined 30% to 50%. I thought the stock market could decline 30%. It has declined 40% to 50%. I thought our deficits due to wars could reach $500 billion. The deficits will easily exceed $1 trillion. I thought gold might reach $600 an ounce. It reached $1,000 an ounce and is poised to go much higher. All of my pessimistic projections have been surpassed to the downside. Examining Alexander Tyler’s stages of democracy, I am optimistic we can avoid the final stage of Dependence back into Bondage. It seems inconceivable to me that our country could fall under the rule of a dictator. But in the midst of a total economic collapse, I guess anything is possible. Let’s hope my worst fears are not realized. If enough Americans seek the truth, the Big Lies can be exposed before it is too late. Truth is the mortal enemy of the lie.
All I have is this stinky finger, and fine memories with BP.
WSJ:
* DECEMBER 17, 2008
Burned Investors Won't Find Strong Safety Net
Protection Agency Funded by Brokers Faces Possibility of Not Having Enough Funds Handy to Cover Losses
By JANE J. KIM
Investors who lost money with Bernard Madoff shouldn't count on the Securities Investor Protection Corp. riding to their rescue.
The federally mandated SIPC has a narrow requirement as to what it covers -- generally theft in brokerage accounts.
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Furthermore, securities attorneys say the nonprofit organization, which is supported by brokerages' membership fees, has a miserly track record of paying out claims and its current reserves may not be nearly big enough to handle potential losses from the Madoff case.
On Monday, SIPC started the process of liquidating Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC. The case is by far, the biggest one that SIPC has ever handled. Madoff reported that it held more than $17 billion at the start of this year.
Indeed, since its creation by Congress in 1970, SIPC has had to spend only $508 million to reimburse investors after recovering assets. The Madoff case alone is likely to dwarf that.
Ceiling on Coverage
SIPC covers losses up to $500,000 per customer, which includes $100,000 on claims for cash.
Virtually all broker dealers registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission are required to have SIPC coverage, and most brokerage firms carry excess coverage for losses above this amount.
When a brokerage firm files for bankruptcy, SIPC will typically step in to help transfer investors' holdings to another firm. With Madoff's firm, however, it's not likely that SIPC and the trustee will be able to transfer the customers accounts to a solvent brokerage firm. That means that it could be months, even years, before SIPC starts paying out claims, experts say.
"We don't have any faith or reliability in the firm's statements," says SIPC's president and chief executive Steve Harbeck.
"The individual victims will have to file claims asserting and proving what they gave to Madoff securities, and we'll have to compare that to records that we have on hand," Mr. Harbeck says. "We don't know how much people gave to this organization, and we don't know how much realistically they think they're owed."
Losses from theft and proven unauthorized trading are generally covered. Losses from fraud, churning or manipulation of stock prices are usually not. SIPC also doesn't cover investment losses or some holdings, such as currencies, hedge funds and limited partnerships not registered with the SEC.
"Our job is really elegantly simple: It's to return the contents of your account," says Mr. Harbeck.
Securities attorneys say SIPC often takes a narrow definition of what is covered by its statute, the Securities Investor Protection Act. "Literally, you have to prove that someone reached into your brokerage account and wrote a check to themselves," said Robert Uhl, a securities attorney in Beverly Hills, Calif.
Mark Maddox, an Indianapolis attorney, has represented about 300 investors from 1997 to 2001 who struggled to get SIPC to pay their claims after they lost money when the Stratton Oakmont brokerage firm filed for bankruptcy in 1997. Of those clients, he says that SIPC initially denied about 90% of his claims, forcing him to file appeals. In most cases, SIPC took the position that it would be responsible only for losses up to its $100,000 cash limit.
"SIPC doesn't like to pay claims and when they do pay a claim, they try to pay as little as possible," he says.
SIPC says only 349 customers through 2007 have failed to get their entire portfolios back.
Some industry watchers question whether SIPC has enough in reserves to cover potential claims in the Madoff liquidation. Currently, the SIPC Fund has about $1.6 billion to cover potential claims and SIPC can borrow up to $1 billion from an international consortium of banks and another $1 billion from the Securities and Exchange Commission.
"There are so many different things that we don't know that it's impossible to determine what the SIPC exposure is," says Mr. Harbeck.
Annual Fee: $150
SIPC's reserve is funded by its member brokerage firms, which all pay a flat fee of $150 a year. SIPC used to charge an assessment fee based on the firm's net operating revenues but moved to a flat annual fee of $150 in 1996 after its fund hit $1 billion.
SIPC's reserves are tiny compared to what's held by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which covers bank deposits up to $250,000. The FDIC's reserves totaled $34.6 billion as of the third quarter. But SIPC says its coffers don't need to be big because brokerage firms are supposed to keep investors' stocks and bonds segregated from the firms' assets.
Banks, by contrast, lend out customers' money to other customers, who might default on those loans.
Now that SIPC has started the liquidation process, the court-appointed trustee will compile a mailing list of the company's customers. After the court has approved the claim forms and authorized the publication of notice, the trustee will mail out the claim forms to customers.
Investors will typically have six months to file their claims, which must be sent by certified mail, from the time the notice is published. Eventually, the trustee will set up a Web site with more information.
For now, any investors with brokerage accounts at Mr. Madoff's firm should save any documentation, such as monthly statements and investor reports going back as far as possible, says Steven Caruso, a securities attorney in New York.
"Those statements show what was supposed to be in your account or what the value was," says Mr. Caruso, who worked with about 500 investors to file claims with SIPC in the Stratton Oakmont case.
In many of those cases, his clients had to provide detailed paper trails -- such as documentation proving that they complained to the firm about unauthorized trades at the time of the trade -- in order to show that their trades were unauthorized.
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Write to Jane J. Kim at jane.kim@wsj.com
Mark A. Neuman, CPA, principal of Summit Accomodators; former principal with Stevens & Neuman LLP. (Bend, Oregon)
Mark Neuman Mark Neuman, CPA, co-founded Summit 1031 with Brian Stevens in 1991. Mark has nearly 2 decades of experience as a CPA, and has been structuring exchanges for over 13 years. In 2003, Mark was in the first group to receive the new Certified Exchange Specialist designation. As a certified continuing education instructor in a number of states, Mr. Neuman frequently speaks about exchange issues before Realtor�, Attorney, and CPA groups throughout the country. He has also been a past guest speaker on exchange issues for the Federation of Exchange Accommodators' national and regional meetings. Mr. Neuman received his first Bachelors of Science degree in Radio Television News from Eastern Washington University. His second degree in Accounting came from Central Washington University. After gaining experience at Moss Adams CPA firm, Mr. Neuman formed the Stevens and Neuman CPA practice in Bend, Oregon with Brian Stevens in 1989. In 1991, as a result of new IRS regulations, Mr. Neuman and Mr. Stevens co-founded Summit Accommodators, Inc. to create one of the first CPA backed tax-deferred exchange 1031 in the country. Under their leadership, Summit became one of the first 1031 in the new industry to receive errors and omissions and bonding insurance. After growing Stevens and Neuman to 1400 clients, Mr. Neuman and Mr. Stevens sold the accounting practice in 2002 to focus on the rapid growth of Summit Accommodators. Summit now has offices in Oregon, Utah, Texas, Washington and Montana and has handled over 10,000 exchange closings worth over 1 billion dollars. As an active member of the Federation of Exchange Accommodators, Mr. Neuman became one of the first members to pass the exam and receive the designation in 2003. An entrepreneur with diverse interests, Mr. Neuman is currently involved in many successful ventures including a number of real estate investments and manufacturing companies. His current and past endeavors range across industries including financial services, wood products, real estate development, automotive parts, sports equipment, and office products. Mr. Neuman is an active supporter of local business communities. He serves as a facilitator for Opportunity Knocks, a volunteer-based organization supporting local small business development throughout Oregon. Mr. Neuman is an outdoor sports enthusiast and frequently supports local athletic events. He is an active cross-county skier, bicyclist and runner. Mr. Neuman resides in Bend, Oregon with his wife and five children. Mark works in our Bend, Oregon location, and can be reached at mark@summit1031.com or 1-800-909-1031
WSJ:
DECEMBER 17, 2008
The Impressionable Elites Get Snookered
By MARK PENN
With E. Kinney Zalesne
For most of this century, con men and hucksters preyed on the uneducated and the elderly who couldn't read the fine print. Some still are.
But now we learn that the real mother lode for con artists is not composed of uninformed dowagers who were left an estate they don't know how to manage, but rather the Impressionable Elites* of country clubs, and the rarefied hedge fund managers of Wall Street and Greenwich.
Forget about huge, sweeping megaforces. The biggest trends today are micro: small, under-the-radar patterns of behavior which take on real power when propelled by modern communications and an increasingly independent-minded population. In the U.S., one percent of the nation, or three million people, can create new markets for a business, spark a social movement, or produce political change. This column is about identifying these important new niches, and acting on that knowledge.
In "Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow's Big Changes," I take the view that rational, informed behavior is spreading through the better-educated lower and middle classes -- those who went to college, have information-economy jobs, and use the Internet. But at the same time, the elites have become more impressionable -- more removed from everyday problems, more trusting of what they hear, and more likely to adopt unthinking viewpoints based on brand or emotion.
Bernard Madoff proves the point. Here he is, in the most numbers-dominated part of our economy, and no one questioned his numbers. He sold himself to people on the basis of brand, and he got access to more marks by using the smart, rich and famous to introduce him to more of the smart, rich and famous.
Historically, elites have behaved like this. They follow a path from being the founders of new nations to the dupes who stand by as their piece of civilization is sacked and pillaged. It's like the old cliché about Nero fiddling while Rome burns. We are not quite where Rome wound up, but we're exhibiting some of its tendencies.
What happened in America before the financial crisis is that we had the fastest expansion of the elite population in history. In 1996, the top 1% of voters and consumers made $200,000 a year or more. Now, in the last election, 6% of the voters made over $200,000 a year -- a surprising sixfold increase in what used to be called the top 1%.
But our research** shows that the top 1% is heavily swayed by gut and impression, not numbers and facts. They vote more on the basis of personality in campaigns; buy products more on the basis of brands; and invest more on the basis of the tip than on sound logic. Who else would pay a premium for jungle-ready vehicles to run the rugged terrains of Scarsdale and Georgetown? Or shop at doggy bakeries for their pampered pooches?
How else could you explain Mr. Madoff allegedly making off with $50 billion dollars of elite money in the largest Ponzi scheme in history? Or Marc Dreier, the lawyer accused of selling $380 million of non-existent promissory notes to major investors?
At a recent meeting of my condo, the residents were asked if they had read all those documents they signed when they bought their apartments. One hand went up. Most of the residents hadn't even asked their lawyers check them out.
Elites are on information- and time-management overload, and the result is that they have been making big decisions with less information, not more. They throw their hands up in the face of adversity and complexity, relying upon the judgment of others instead of forming their own.
The entire financial crisis was started by small microtrends overlooked by some of the best and brightest minds at institution after institution. The crisis started with a default rate of something like 17% on subprimes, which were only about 10% of the marketplace -- or a total of about 1.7% of all mortgages. This tiny but growing group of borrowers -- a microtrend -- had enormous consequences for unwinding trillions of dollars of leverage and freezing the entire credit system. It happened because the best and brightest minds simply ignored those forces as too small to matter, too improbable to become important. But they did.
So now these same elites, and the millions who trusted them, are going to have to look at the numbers again. They can't just put their money in mysterious hedge funds and bigger houses and wait for manna to drop from the sky. They are going to have to start balancing their checkbooks, managing their healthcare costs and setting a monthly budget that they actually meet. Looking at greatly diminished assets and futures, these elites might just be shocked into reading the fine print on what they buy, or demanding detailed statements every month that they open and read.
And real transparency just might sell again to elites who used to love to invest in the black box. All Madoff and Dreier did was prey on the basic fact that elites don't really ask questions of other elites, and don't really demand answers when they do. Maybe that will change.
Maybe people will start ordering up mini SOX audits of their own finances, catching those repeating credit card subscriptions that go on their credit cards for things they have not used in years; demanding that each and every fund they invest in meet strict new criteria. They might even ask elite colleges to justify $50,000 a year in tuition for little personalized instruction.
The Dreier and Madoff scandals show just how impressionable even the smartest, best educated elites have become. But the reaction to their own unwinding, and to the reality of the financial crisis, just might bring them back to earth.
* "Impressionable Elites" is the term we used for educated, affluent people who focus more on personality than issues when it comes to evaluating political decisions. For more, please see pages 131 to 135 in "Microtrends."
** A PSB poll of 806 telephone interviews among likely 2008 presidential voters, including an oversample of 400 very likely Democratic presidential primary voters.
"I don't know how anybody that's been in regulation for the past decade . . . can escape some scrutiny for how the Madoff empire was allowed to expand without any of the scrutiny that any of the smaller firms were subjected to routinely," said Bill Singer, partner of Stark & Stark and a former NASD regulator.
"If I went to burn $50 billion in my backyard, I can't imagine that the fire department wouldn't have come running."
Indeed, despite suspicions raised by Street pro Harry Markopolos, who in 1999 concluded in a letter to the SEC that "Madoff Securities is the world's largest Ponzi scheme," it appears no probe was ever launched.
EVEN the 'smart rich' got burnt on this one!!!!!!!!
Madoff fraud could burn those who pulled out early
Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:33pm EST
By Jason Szep - Analysis
BOSTON (Reuters) - Disgraced money manager Bernard Madoff's suspected $50 billion fraud scheme looks set to burn even those who pulled their investments out long before the scandal rippled into the global financial system.
Such investors may have counted themselves fortunate, withdrawing their money years ago to buy a house or to pay for a daughter's education, and may have even sighed with relief because they ended ties with Madoff long before the scandal erupted late last week.
But they, too, could face trouble, lawyers say. Because of a legal concept known as "fraudulent conveyance," they could be forced to return their profits and even some of their initial investments to help offset losses incurred by others entangled in the long-running Ponzi scheme.
A Ponzi scheme is an illegal investment vehicle that pays off old investors with money from new ones, and relies on a constant stream of new investment. Such schemes eventually collapse under their own weight.
"There were no profits. It was just other people's money," said Brad Alford, who runs investment adviser Alpha Capital Management LLC in Atlanta.
Alford is well versed in fraudulent conveyance after one of his clients withdrew money from a $450 million scheme by Connecticut hedge-fund company Bayou Group LLC a year before it collapsed in scandal. "We ended up settling with the estate, giving back all the profits and half of our principal."
Bankruptcy-receivership practices make all investors vulnerable, he added. "Once they can go into bankruptcy they can go back six years. Anything past your principal, I'm guessing, is fair game to be brought back in."
Philip Bentley, a lawyer at Kramer, Levin, Naftalis & Frankel LLP, who defended investors sued in 2006 by lawyers representing the Bayou estate, said he expected the court-appointed trustee now in control of Madoff's U.S. operations to look hard at who withdrew money from Madoff.
"The trustee is going to look very closely at redemptions and seriously consider bringing suits just because the trustee's job is to bring in assets any way he can," Bentley said. "Potentially the numbers are enormous."
'STAGGERING' LAWSUITS
But the judge could decide to limit how many years back the estate can demand investors return their money, said Jay Gould, a former investment-management attorney at the Securities and Exchange Commission who heads the hedge-fund practice at Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw and Pittman LLP.
"In this case, because of the magnitude of the losses and the scope of the great number of people who were defrauded, this could be a situation where people say 'you know we are just going to draw the line here at six months or at one year or at this,'" he said.
"But that's not certain. You really are working with people who have obligations," he said. "The receiver has an obligation under the law to pursue all the assets wherever they happen to be within the bounds of the law."
The law could shock investors who innocently entrusted their money with Madoff, a 70-year-old Wall Street legend, long before he was accused of defrauding banks, charities and rich individuals whose assets he managed at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, which he launched in 1960.
"I'm sure it will be a surprise to those who had no idea about his position but wanted to buy a house, and took the money out," said Tamar Frankel, who teaches securities law, corporate governance and legal ethics at Boston University.
tim said...
The fall in silicon valley will throw California politics into disarray. They will simply not have enough money to achieve all their goals. Cuts will be the rule, and friends will become enemies.
Look for a disaster in bay Area house prices.
I said that months ago, and got my ass waxed as a know-nothing moron. "YOU obviously DON'T understand the VITALITY of San Fran, Silicon Valley"... etc.
>>I said that months ago, and got my ass waxed as a know-nothing moron. "YOU obviously DON'T understand the VITALITY of San Fran, Silicon Valley"... etc.
I know you did. Look it up. I agreed with you.
Under the free market/monetarist/efficient market framework that accompanied the rise of Reagan, Thatcher and Deng Xiaoping, markets were assumed to be efficient. Financial innovation and leverage were good things. So long as money supply (however defined) grew at a steady, non-inflationary pace, markets would correctly price assets. The system was supposed to have a tendency to return to equilibrium on its own, and economic cycles would be manageable.
But in fact an economic cycle has come that seems to be out of control.
Actually, it's doing what it's been doing for the 5 yrs, 2001 - 2006, just in reverse.
The system IS returning to equilibrium on it's own. It's just doing it in the same way it did it on the upsideA: WILDLY OVERSHOOTING IT.
People are just freaked out because THIS OVERSHOOTING hurts like hell, and the prior euphoria felt great.
The system WORKS. It just HURTS now. You didn't hear a PEEP on the way up, except for people telling naysayers like me to SHUT THE HELL UP YOU BROKEN CLOCK STUPID-ASS BEAR.
We'll OVERSHOOT on the downside, that's all.
The world seems to be heading for a deflationary abyss with governments around the world flinging money at the problem with no worries about sowing the seeds of inflation later
THAT is where we're headed. Zimbabwe-style inflation.
Bubble v3.0, The Biggest of Them All.
BUFFFEETE will go down PUSSY, do you think his game hasn't been a confidence scam?? Buffeete does the exact same thing that MADE-OFF did, was was to tell the 'investors' nothing, ...
Hmmm... dunno.
Buffett is an illustration of Bend Done Right.
See, we should have taken our LOTTO WINNINGS (RE circa 2001-2007) and REINVESTED IN SOMETHING REAL.
Buffett, while still a huge insurer, took enormous amounts and invested in REAL INDUSTRY. He owns a shitload of goods-producing stuff. He wisely reinvested. We did not.
He owns TONS of stuff free and clear.
Bend bought PR & Marketing. We have NOTHING to show for our lotto winnings.
#1 internet game in world to be taxed by City of Bend.
www.sockandawe.com
Taking a swipe at Bush: Zaidi-inspired shoe game on Internet
7 hours ago
PARIS (AFP) — Following in the footsteps of the Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at President George W. Bush, anyone can take a virtual swipe at the US leader on the Internet thanks to a new game.
The aim of "Sock and Awe" (www.sockandawe.com), launched by Britain's Alex Tew, is to knock Bush out with a shoe, a feat already attained by 1.4 million players, according to the website Tuesday.
He owns TONS of stuff free and clear.
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BULL fucking SHIT, he's loaded with debt.
His profit in the recent quarters is DOWN, all his income in past years was by selling CDO's on 'bets', and he BET WRONG he now owes 100's of BILLIONS, and he'll have to sell the few assets he owns, trouble is nobody wants to BUY. In the recent years $500 Trillion in Credit-Swaps ( CDO ) were sold, betting that companys would never go down, and BUFFET took cash up front, and now he'll have to pay on those bets, in the short-term nobody wants to BUY these CDO's anymore, so know BUFFEETE has NO FUCKING INCOME.
He had been running a CDO PONZI scam, and now its over.
Buffetteee is FUCKED, if any of you dumb fucking KUNTS thinks that BUFFET ain't going down, then go BUY all the BRK.A you can, but you can't hell your all renters, and don't even have enough to buy a fucking house.
I know you did. Look it up. I agreed with you.
Well, OK. Hurumph, and all that.
ATTICA!
know-nothing moron. ... etc.
I know you are. Look it up. I agreed with you.
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Yes, we all agree with you all the time.
Oregon is FINALLY taking it's rightful place as ECONOMIC NIGHTMARE ZONE:
Oregon jobless rate jumps to five-year high
Posted: Dec 15, 2008 11:52 AM
Last Updated: Dec 15, 2008 03:54 PM
Governor issues response to new numbers
From The Associated Press and KTVZ.COM news sources
SALEM, Ore. (AP) - The state reported Monday that Oregon's unemployment rate shot up nearly a percentage point in November, rising to 8.1%.
The month before, it was 7.2%.
The November figure marks the state's highest jobless rate in five years.
According to the state Employment Department, the net loss of jobs was 6,300 jobs.
The trade, transportation and utility sectors shed about 4,200 jobs, construction about 2,200 and leisure and hospitality about 1,800. Government employment rose 1,200.
The state's unemployment rate has risen sharply since July, and surpasses the national unemployment rate of 6.7%.
You can also read Ted Clueless-goski's response. "Take the bull by the horns, and so forth!"
HOLLERN must now own the business-journal and the BULL/SORE.
Cascade Bancorp (Oregon) Named in Oregon's Top Ten Most Admired Companies
Last update: 7:40 p.m. EST Dec. 16, 2008
BEND, Ore., Dec 16, 2008
Bank of the Cascades has been named one of the Business Journal's Most Admired Companies in Oregon, based on a survey of Oregon CEOs. Bank of the Cascades was honored in the financial services category.
The Most Admired Companies awards are determined through surveys sent to more than 2,000 CEOs and top-level managers throughout Oregon. These executives are asked to select the companies they most admire in eight different industry classifications, including technology, agriculture, nonprofits, healthcare, financial services, professional services, commercial real estate and traditional manufacturing. Companies were rated by attributes including innovation, quality of product or service, community service, branding and quality of management. Award winners were announced at Oregon's Most Admired Companies recent luncheon in Portland.
"We're delighted to be included in this list of outstanding Oregon companies," said Patricia L. Moss, president and CEO of Cascade Bancorp and CEO of Bank of the Cascades. "I am proud and appreciative of the commitment to excellence demonstrated by our team of bankers on behalf of customers and community."
Bank of the Cascades offers full-service community banking through 33 branches in Central Oregon, Southern Oregon, Portland, Salem and Boise/Treasure Valley.
About Cascade Bancorp
Cascade Bancorp (headquartered in Bend, Oregon) and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Bank of the Cascades, operates in Oregon and Idaho markets. In terms of banking growth markets, Cascade ranks as the top community bank footprint in the Northwest. Cascade has a business strategy that focuses on delivering the best in community banking for the financial well-being of customers and shareholders. The Bank implements its strategy by combining outstanding service, competitive financial products, local expertise and advanced technology applied for the convenience of customers. Founded in 1977, Bank of the Cascades offers full-service community banking through 33 branches in Central Oregon, Southern Oregon, Portland/Salem and Boise/Treasure Valley. The Bank has been repeatedly named among the top performing banks in the nation by industry publications. The Bank is honored to be among the top Oregon "Best 100 Companies to Work For", as compiled by Oregon Business Magazine. For further information on Bank of the Cascades, visit our web site at http://www.botc.com
This bodes HORRIBLY for (high-beta) Bend's unemployment, which comes out later in the month. Whatever Oregon does, we do 150-200% of it.
We were 9.1% UNEMPLOYMENT seasonally adjusted (8.1% w/o adjustment), so we will probably easily see double digits for our Nov number.
The highest Nov unemployment in the last 20 yrs was 8.8% in 1996. We will blow that away.
The highest unemployment usually comes in Feb, and the highest rate in 20 yrs was back in 1993, at 11.0% (unadjusted). Again, we have a good chance of beating that.
Hello $120K medians!
We were 9.1% UNEMPLOYMENT seasonally adjusted (8.1% w/o adjustment)...
In October.
'Body Cache' Bend's newest GPS outdoor sport. Tourists try to find 'cached' body's all over the Bend area.
Body found in snow in Central Oregon
12/16/2008, 6:30 p.m. PST
The Associated Press
BEND, Ore. (AP) — Deschutes County Sheriff's deputies are investigating the death of a man found covered in snow at a transient camp south of Bend.
Sgt. Dan Bilyeu says the unidentified man is believed to be in his 50s and appears to have died in the past few days.
He says investigators have yet to find evidence the man died from foul play or the bitter cold.
The investigation remains active.
I have no doubt we will see nightmarish unemployment around here... 15-20%.
3rd World unemployment. Uganda unemployment. DETROIT unemployment! AHH!
This place will be a Civil War Zone. All that "Aspen" shit will actually be INFURIATING. Fucking meth wars. West-side richies GETTING SHOT.
Watch downtown turn into a Ghost Town.
Where's Bubble v3.0?
US Govt Treasuries is certainly one candidate.
And if you actually DO own a house AND have PRISTINE credit, you can do a once-in-a-lifetime refi.
OK, twice in a lifetime.
>>I have no doubt we will see nightmarish unemployment around here... 15-20%.
We could. We have to see the ripple effect from each layoff and shutdown. Could be that in a year, there's NOTHING IN BEND for someone to do who gets cut.
Yep,
Soon there will be 3% 30yr loans, and yes you'll have to have a real down payment, a job, and good credit.
Whoops +90% of BEND don't qualify, ahhh shucks, ...
The Cut's are happening right now.
I just heard yesterday that Microsemi ( was APT ), & Bend Sci are dumping quite a few right now, xmas pink-slips.
Hell, yes in every industry Bend has one place.
So, if it doesn't work out, you be BEND-FUCKED.
Lot's of companys are losing contracts they had for years, across the board the rule-of-thumb right now is to cut-back 50%, because future sales is going to be 50% of what it used to be, which means 50% must go.
I know at the food dining places in BEND, its fucking sad, the ripple has already taken place.
Last two years, our inventory has started to grow in January as the desperate sellers come up to the plate to wiff again.
Get ready for more seller pain. Get ready to see frauds and scams exposed.
I know 5 tech guys in trouble who were solid in the summer. Lookout techies.
COVA SPEAKS: Move along, Bend will be fine, Bend to become Corporate meeting hotspot
[ I love the disconnect, most biz men I meet here, say this is the most boring fucking night-life town in the universe, everything is dead by 6pm ]
Tourism industry leaders also are hoping Central Oregon escapes the worst of the economic pain.
While airline passenger activity declined in the third quarter, estimated lodging revenues, adjusted for inflation, rose slightly.
"When you look at the economic downturn and its effect on tourism, the number one impact is the leisure travel market," said Doug La Placa, president and CEO of Visit Bend, which promotes tourism for the city.
"Bend is insulated to a certain degree because we have other sources of tourism in the area -- primarily business travel. We will weather the economic downturn better than destinations that are solely reliant upon leisure travel, like the Bahamas, Orlando, Florida, or ski towns."
Corporate travel will go down somewhat, but not as much as leisure, said La Placa, who projected that transient room-tax collections would decline between 9 and 13 percent in the city throughout the winter.
"Bend has a more diverse tourism economy than classic ski towns," he said. "While skiing is very important to the tourism industry, it is not the primary catalyst."
These days in Bend, once it hits 6pm, everything is dead.
This is because happy-hour is over.
Time to go home.
Yeah, it's not clear to me at all where you get work if you lose one of the few "good" jobs in Bend. This is why tech guys like to live in Seattle, Boston, Raleigh, and Bay Area. If you get cut, you go to work down the street. Even those cities are going to be hurt now as almost every startup lays off workers and the biggies go to hiring freeze and attrition.
I know 5 tech guys in trouble who were solid in the summer. Lookout techies.
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Tech went down 90% post dot-com, 90% post 911, then came back, now TECH is down 99% or more.
In all my years of TECH, I have never seen it as slow as now.
ALL TECH spending even by DOD is now on HOLD.
Given that most companys in recent years ran on DEBT financing most will not survive, if your not setting on a lot of CASH, there is NO way in hell most of these BEND companys will survive.
At this point they have no collateral, there are no expectation of sales.
Sure it might come back in late 2009, but RIGHT-NOW today, if you ain't got tons of cash, you can't even make payroll, and thus DUMP THEM.
Yes, I have many high-tech friends in ORYGUN that are now on their 2nd year of un-employment, and these are engineers in their early 50's. Most likely they'll never have a job again. Once the un-employment runs out, and it will, then they'll not make their house payment.
"Bend is insulated to a certain degree because we have other sources of tourism in the area -- primarily business travel."
Yeah, that's bullshit. Bend is a pain in the ass for business travel. Our airport is in Redmond!
Maybe true that it won't go down as much as leisure travel, but what percentage of our travelers are business people?
Wait and see how much business travel gets cut on 2009 budgets, then tell me business travel will save us.
Tim,
I remember back in the early 1980's there were tons of startup's in Bend, and lots of high-tech mag publishers, and by 1988, they were all gone.
The dream in the 1970's when the PC took off was to start a biz in BEND.
Even then it was economically a 'black hole'.
Today its still economically a black-hole.
But who cares, HOLLERN has been running a BEND REAL-ESTATE PONZI scheme with UGB that HE created back in 1972, and they just keep building more homes, and bringing in more dreamers.
But its always been this way, if you don't have unlimited money, and your retired, they never stay, unless they have a coveted 'government job'.
I know of one tech guy who says he has two months before he has to leave town and go somewhere else.
In my opinion, if you're already thinking that way, GO NOW! while you have some cushion money for food.
Maybe true that it won't go down as much as leisure travel, but what percentage of our travelers are business people?
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I have this conversation so much in town, all business travelers stuck for a week here always end up at Deschutes,
They feel like they have found god, "where are the people" they ask??
Bend doesn't have a night-life I reply, even for the kids.
"This town is simply the most boring town I have ever been to at night"
See folks, travelers GOT to have something to do, they just can't sit in the fucking GIANT hotel over at the old-mill and rot in their room, and they wander over downtown at the Deschutes where there are a few people, but there is NOBODY at night over at the old-mill.
Anybody who thinks that business goes on here is an idiot, oh yea 3 yrs ago there was MTG,RE,LAW,TITLE, ... that wasn't business, that was HOLLERN-PONZI.
Conventions? Meetings? Fuck BEND, no airport, and nothing to do.
I'm sure thats what BLEDSOE dreamed with VOLO, and the HUMIDOR(CIGAR)CLUB, but his dream has become a nightmare.
TIM,
I normally don't turn on TV, but I was bored last night and for a fluke turned on OPB and watch the one-hour McNiell hour news, I will not watch commercial TV ever. First time in past year I turned on TV.
Anyways they're talking about 'dog experiments' from the 1950's, when the dog knows he can avoid pain he does something, but once the dog is conditioned that he can't stop pain, he doesn't do anything but cry under any situation and just endures the pain.
Now skip to BEND, most people here are hurting, but they have conditioned themselves to PAIN, and they don't do anything about it (LEAVE), because they have always endured pain.
Anybody else here catch it??
You can't get some of the best employees, because they won't move to a job unless there are competitive jobs in the same town.
Certainly not critical mass in tech for Bend yet, although I think the techies we have are great people, and all the group organizers are terrific.
"Bend has a more diverse tourism economy than classic ski towns," he said. "While skiing is very important to the tourism industry, it is not the primary catalyst." - COVA
Paid by the City of BEND
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Hell yes, real ski resorts don't have WALMART & COSTCO. Bend is fucking diverse.
>>Anyways they're talking about 'dog experiments' from the 1950's, when the dog knows he can avoid pain he does something, but once the dog is conditioned that he can't stop pain, he doesn't do anything but cry under any situation and just endures the pain.
I remember that from college. "Learned helplessness." Only I think I heard that some of the tests were with kittens.
Anyone notice the story unfolding over at Bend Boring Bulletin Board. It seems we have our own local case of a financial ponzi/fraud.
Summit Accomadators runs out of cash for some recent exchanges they've been entrusted to perform, then send out statements claiming the financial turmoil has disrupted their cash position(their clients cash) but fail to mention that within the last two months they've loaned themselves through Inland Capital (their loan company) $10,000,000 on their own real estate. Paul Doh! Go get em tiger!
Keywords:
Summit 1031
Inland Capital
Marc Neuman
Brian Stevens
Western Title
You're right--dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
Certainly not critical mass in tech for Bend yet, although I think the techies we have are great people, and all the group organizers are terrific.
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SHIT TT, they were saying that 40 years ago, and NOT one fucking thing has change.
I guess all people are terrific. I think more like man-month mythology, but techies differ by an order of magnitude. Really SMART people would NEVER fucking setup shop here because there is no seminars, and meetings, there is NO stanford, or santa-fe institute, or aspen institute.
Yes, there are a dozen cottage guys here that like to ski that have a couple dozen SW folks that do games here, and when that genre HALTS and it will, its going to evaporate. What your seeing is just like 1983, and by 1986 they all had left, they couldn't survive the recession here.
All these guys that come here to play for the 'skiing' BAIL once they plywood up the resort.
That's what drives me nuts about all these people like HBM, BP, HOMER, ... everybody here, they act and think like this has never happened before, nobody knows BEND history, they think there is something NEW going on here.
There are NO special people in BEND, there are NO special organizers.
All the execs from google, oracle, and microsoft here, come here to play, and not to work.
BEND has NEVER been a place to work, and never will, ONLY a fucking idiot who buys into the HOLLERN PONZI believes this shit. SURE HOLLERN needs people to come here and create jobs, cuz its what keeps his PONZI alive, but the folks that come and start a biz always die.
Somebody is trying real hard to get this group to bite the 1031 bait, but until its been confirmed by marge, it can only be assumed to be a rumor.
HOMER, remember that MARK NEUMAN is a fucking Bend lawyer, this could be a honey-pot.
Someone was asking a few days ago about WHY ripped-off investors so quickly go to the lawyer to establish fraud. Read an article discussing Madoff case that said there are special tax maneuvers for the ripped-off if the loss was fraud.
>>SHIT TT, they were saying that 40 years ago, and NOT one fucking thing has change.
I'm just saying nice people, not that the groups can fix anything about Bend.
You're right--dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
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It's BEND, how many??
Maybe 50% of Bend? Maybe 80%??
Read an article discussing Madoff case that said there are special tax maneuvers for the ripped-off if the loss was fraud.
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Now you know why MADOFF came forward and declared his own biz a fraud.
These rich jews would have got wiped out either way, there is a post above on how MADOFF wasn't really a fraud, he just couldn't make the 10% redemption, cuz he couldn't sell and unload, cuz he couldn't de-leverage,
But he declares his biz a fraud, and hopes that ALL his rich JEWS friends get a bail-out, and they WILL cuz they're NOW first in line.
MADOFF was NEVER a ponzi scheme, will no more than any other USA mutual fund or hedge.
Couple more nuggets on Summit 1031:
Search on the recordings for Inland Capital, and you see quite a bit of activity right up to 11/10/08.
The last three loans, not huge, totaling about $275,000, were made to RILEY COYOTE LLC.
Oregon corp records show this to be a single member LLC, consisting of Lane Lyons at 1567 SW Chandler, Ste 101.
Lane Lyons is listed in the Google cache of summit1031exchange.com as the Director of Legal and Tax Policy. Summit 1031's office is at 1567 SW Chandler, Ste 101, Bend, OR.
j.d. is a law graduate degree for peple who have earned an undergraduate degree in any field. it takes 3 years.
llm is a master degree for student who has law degree already.
only one year.
Bait? Go on the fucking clerks site, go on Summits own fucking website, they admit it right there, check it out.The only place you won't find anything about it is in The Bullshittin.
Homer, you were talking about bank hits earlier this year, what happens when the fidiciary is the one who made of with the money?
Lynch Mobs?
Tar and Feathering?
WTF?
I don't know the business, so maybe setting up individual LLC's based in Summit's offices was the standard way of facilitating exchanges, but it was popular:
10/16/2008 $385,000
HOPE RANCH LLC
Two members Dan Cardot, John Short
1567 SW Chandler, Ste 101
9/24/2008 $1,200,000
VSN PROPERTIES LLC
Single member Tim Larkin
(President of Summit 1031)
1567 SW Chandler, Ste 101
9/22/2008 $5,000,000
Mark and Janice Neuman
(Founding Partner-Summit 1031)
There is also a bunch around 5/15/2008 to LLCs based at the Summmit 1031 office, and another bunch around 4/24/2008, same thing.
But then, maybe that is how the exchange business is done...
Yes Bruce, many of them are legit, holding LLC's used for reverse exchanges and such. The ones in question are the recent loans made in favor of the officers/members of the company. It would be interesting to see what they owed on the properties that were recently financed with Inland money and figure how much cash was indeed, bled out at close. It looks to me like they may have financed the remaining cash out and left these few proerties in the wake for the angry mob of ripped off investors.
>> Only I think I heard that some of the tests were with kittens.
Ohhhhhhh, that would be RICH! You're so bad Timmy.
I just got a big raise... Doing great these days. Better than ever in fact! My Bend home is almost paid off!
Things are going better for me than I ever thought possible actually... Just had a great holiday flying around southern utah in a friend's plane. Life is great!
Go to http://recordings.deschutes.org/Search.asp and put INLAND CAPITAL CORP in for Last Name and you can check them out. Lot's of local land scooped up.
Have to all the way back into 2007 to find one not directly to insiders or to a LLC run by insiders and based at the Summit 1031 office.
From 9/22 to 11/10, a total of almost $7 million went out of Inland Capital.
I bet they thought they wee buying cheap. Instant equity, and all that.
I know of several people who bought in 2007 and even early 2008 thinking they were buying at a discount.
Hey hbm, I heard it hit -8. I'll give Bend 2 cold points for that! But I think it was in the night, so I'm going to have to take a point away.
Still, good try!
DOLLAR FALLS MOST EVER ... WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED?
I CATCH HELL, BUT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOUR KUNTS FOREVER THAT THE ONLY ONLY TO 'MAKE MONEY' THESE DAYS IS TO FOLLOW 'JIM ROGERS' THINKING.
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Dollar Falls Most Against Euro Since 1999 Debut on Fed’s Rate
By Jamie McGee and Michael J. Moore
Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar declined the most against the euro since the 15-nation currency’s 1999 debut and sank to a 13-year low versus the yen as near-zero interest rates and rising budget deficits led traders to abandon the greenback.
The dollar extended its drop against a gauge of currencies of six U.S. trading partners, falling 11 percent from a 2 1/2- year high reached Nov. 21. Investors including hedge funds reversed bets that the dollar will appreciate to minimize losses as the end of the year approached, traders said.
“This move is historic,” said Russell LaScala, New York- based head of North American foreign exchange at Deutsche Bank AG, the world’s biggest currency trader. “It’s just going to keep going until the last bit of pain stops. I would not be shocked to see $1.50.”
The dollar fell as much as 3 percent to $1.4437 per euro, the weakest level since Sept. 29, from $1.4002 yesterday, before trading at $1.4402 at 4:08 p.m. in New York. It was the biggest intraday drop since the euro’s inception. The U.S. currency decreased 1.8 percent to 87.43 yen from 89.05 and reached 87.14, the lowest since July 1995. The euro increased 0.9 percent to 125.81 yen from 124.71.
The pound weakened for the first time beyond 93 pence per euro after the Office for National Statistics said jobless claims rose last month at the fastest pace since 1991. Bank of England policy makers voted 9-0 to cut the nation’s benchmark on Dec. 4 to 2 percent, minutes showed. Sterling slid as much as 3.5 percent to 93.27 pence per euro. The pound dropped 0.4 percent to $1.5518.
Dollar Index
The ICE’s Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against the euro, the yen, the pound, the Canadian dollar, the Swiss franc and Sweden’s krona, fell 2.2 percent to 78.908. The dollar has given back about half of a rally in which it increased 24 percent from a low of 71.314 on July 15 to 88.463 on Nov. 21.
The Fed lowered its target rate yesterday to a range of zero to 0.25 percent, from 1 percent, below the Bank of Japan’s 0.3 percent rate. The central bank reiterated plans to purchase agency debt and mortgage-backed securities and said it will study buying Treasuries, a policy known as quantitative easing.
“This is a very much a panic exodus from the dollar,” said Brian Dolan, chief currency strategist at FOREX.com, a unit of online currency trading firm Gain Capital in Bedminster, New Jersey. “The primary reason is the Fed’s embrace of quantitative easing, in which they start printing dollars and start flooding the market with U.S. assets.”
The federal budget deficit widened last month to $164.4 billion, compared with a gap of $98.2 billion in November a year earlier, the Treasury Department reported last week.
>> Only I think I heard that some of the tests were with kittens.
Ohhhhhhh, that would be RICH! You're so bad Timmy.
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Puppy's cute little puppy's getting electrocuted by sadistic Pugs, but hell that was all in the 1950's we don't do that shit anymore in the USA.
Forcing Iraqi's to sodomize one another, now that is ameriKKKan.
Homer, you were talking about bank hits earlier this year, what happens when the fidiciary is the one who made of with the money?
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It usually is the one 'holding' the money that makes off with the money, by definition.
No the problem here, like problems everywhere is that that played with the escrow 'money', they invested, which most likely means that 1/2 is gone, ... Even KUNT's who bought BRK-A, and most bought on margin, got called at -50%, and thus lost 100%.
Insurance or factoring or 'exchange'(1031), they all were playing the same game, 'investing other peoples money' while they held the money, and now its all gone.
Whether its MADE-OFF or Orygun grown, its all the same. Buffett is going to down hard, as he too is playing the same game, highly leveraged insurance, and bet wrong.
Looking into the Summit mess a little further, it looks like the principles were taking money out as loans. Game up when the credit market seized.
For instance, from the $5,000,000 trust deed by Mark Neuman(deed grantor, principle in Summit):
"WHEREAS, Grantor has various outstanding commercial indebtedness to Beneficiary pursuant to various loan agreements and promissory notes executed at various dates. (The loan agreements and promissory notes, as they may be modified, extended, or replaced from time to time are collectively referred to herin as the "Note"); and
WHEREAS, Grantor acknowledges and agrees that the proceeds of the loan(s) which are the subject of the Note were utilized for commercial real estate acquisitions by the Grantor, and not for personal or other consumer purposes; and
WHEREAS, as a condition to the making of the loan(s) to Grantor which are the subject of the Note, Beneficiary required, and Grantor agreed to provide this Trust Deed to secure $5,000,000 of the unpaid balance of principal and interest under the Note, the "SECURED INDEBTEDNESS."
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The property provided as security was three parcels, with a combined RMV of $3,328,530. One of the parcels appears to be the Neuman family home, all 8070 sq. ft. of it, plus the 2650 sq. ft. garage. It just received its final inspection and approval on 1/30/08.
Looking back at the rest of the deeds recorded for Inland in 2008, they are all either virtually identical, with only the parcels and amounts changed, or they specifically list a Note amount and date, going back as far as Oct. 2004. This one, dated April 23, 2008, uses the alternate, single Note, language:
"This Trust Deed is for the purpose of securing performance of a promissory note executed by Grantor and Payable to Beneficiary, the "Note," as of October 22, 2004, in the principal amount of $403,374.00"
It is secured by Lots 4 and 5, Block 16, Woodriver Village, plus some common property between them. IIRC correctly, this was in the Premier Auction that the NWA building was in. The combined RMV is currently $824,550, of which $788,000 is for land value. Interestingly, the land RMV more than tripled from a combined $232,500 between 2006 and 2007.
So it looks like some after the fact ass-covering going on to try to secure already issued promissory notes. Maybe they were using client money to buy property and then flipping said property to the same or other clients.
When the RE market died, the scheme came to a head. And someone has forced the issue of securing the notes after the fact.
Note that if you search recordings on the other founder Brian Stevens you see several property transfers for $0 to and from Mr. Stevens, and another identical to $5,000,000 trust deed in the same 9/22/08 and 9/24/08 date range, which is virtually identical to the Neuman Trust Deed. It doesn't show up under Inland because it's incorrectly entered under CAPITAL CORP. although the deed lists INLAND CAPITAL CORP.
There also are a few fairly recent HELOC modifications for some of the principles that pushed their term out to 12/31/08, which is coming right up.
More RE trouble in Bend...I wonder how many more local RE speculators are going to caught up in this downmarket and credit squeeze.
I'm negotiating a licensing deal in Euro's with a Dutch company right now, so FALL, DOLLAR, FALL. It just makes my job easier.
Bait? Go on the fucking clerks site, go on Summits own fucking website, they admit it right there, check it out.The only place you won't find anything about it is in The Bullshittin.
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No, NOBODY is talking about this anywhere else. If this is even partially true, then this lawyer has already filed protection, which means that even talking about it is a violating a court order.
Pussy, since your so fucking interested in this, like you went off on the tangent last month with the dentist trying to commit suicide, ... just because he got in an accident. Why don't you search the County Court records and see if this guy as filed bankruptcy?? Then you would know if its even legal to talk about this shit?
It's one thing to talk shit about Made-OFF, and all the other 'abstractions', but your tready shitty water when you get this close to home without knowing the legal status of the meat & potatoes.
Why is the pussy so interested in this problem?
Anytime you have a RE bubble collapse, your going to see tons of lawsuits post bubble, that's what this is, if anything.
At least with INN@7th there is some public information, this 'hysteria' here that your trying to beat into a frenzy pussy has no public source other than you, and public records that show loans were taken out on real-estate, that is like suggesting that someone in Bend took a fucking breath.
Then a few weeks ago the pussy tried to make a big issue because builders wanted to extend the time of their permit, so fucking what?? The pussy is always trying to manufacturer newsworthy crises in Bend.
The trouble is there is never any smoke at the pussy's origin of fire.
The records are public. It might not be legal for those involved to talk, but that doesn't keep people from discussing the public records does it?
>>I CATCH HELL, BUT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOUR KUNTS FOREVER THAT THE ONLY ONLY TO 'MAKE MONEY' THESE DAYS IS TO FOLLOW 'JIM ROGERS' THINKING.
I sure hope you weren't the one who accused me of watching TV all the time because I linked to a Rogers interview on YouTube a while back.
I'm sure everything was perfectly legal, and it's all because people like us are being so downbeat about local RE being priced at double the historical median ration. Otherwise this RE tower would have stayed standing and made everyone involved rich.
Yep. That's it.
Wouldn't want to worry about the people who gave their "escrow" money to these guys, would you.
Just posting some facts that won't be seen anywhere else. I've never seen anything quite like those $5,000,000 after the fact trust deeds. But then I'm not a RE guru, so I suppose they are common among the cognoscenti.
Sorry, I'll shut up now.
Hey hbm, I heard it hit -8. I'll give Bend 2 cold points for that! But I think it was in the night, so I'm going to have to take a point away.
Look, I don't give a rat's ass about how cold it is in Minnesota or Wisconsin or the Yukon or Siberia. I live in Bend, Oregon, and I say Bend, Oregon is
TOO
FUCKING
COLD.
...income/price median RATIO...
Interesting, the Suterra agreement vote has been removed from the Council agenda for tonight.
Is it normal for a lawyer to get paid with "loans?" Doesn't make sense to me.
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It's VERY common way for lawyers to be paid with RE, in fact most lawyers love real estate. It's how they get RICH in their business.
On the subject of 1031, I have done it many times, but I select the escrow, its my money, and it would normally be in a CD or a 100% SAFE money-market. The fact that people were not having a 3rd party escrow could only mean one thing to me, and that is they were offering HIGH INTEREST rates, and thus once again, GREED KILLS.
I don't know the facts but it would be irrational to let these people collaterallize your money. I would have ran and quick.
There must be a reason, but most likely just ignorance.
No difference than the insurance biz, most insurers these days can't pay claims, they just take premiums and invest them, and then hoped the interest would pay claims, but insurance is more complicated than that.
My guess is these people used the collateralized cash to purchase BEND real estate, after all 25%/yr, ... and most likely the people that used this service really thought they were earning 25% yr, ...
All RE BUBBLE's end this way, GREED & STUPIDITY does it everytime.
Will the BULL talk about this, HELL will the SORE.
I'll say one thing, when BEBB deletes the thread then you know its TRUE.
Just like any other thread like 'SUTERRA' if BEBB deletes the thread then you know its true.
So fucking what? All I see here is that people trusted lots of money with lawyers. That's the stupidest thing in the world. It's like says "Man puts dick in dogs mouth and gets bit", ... Like there was another end result?
Lawyers, Doc's are the worst fucking people in the world to trust with your money. Why? Because they make money too easy, and thus they're never careful. They don't care about losing, cuz they always known they can make MORE.
Most people like say, truck drives would NEVER risk the way doc's & lawyers risk.
That's WHY if you read any books about MONEY, they'll always say, never be a partner with a lawyer or a DOC.
This is not a story, anybody that handed these people their money, deserved to lose it. This was NOT an escrow, this was clearly a ponzi scheme in the classic sense, if TRUE, if the DOC's we have are are true.
Interesting, the Suterra agreement vote has been removed from the Council agenda for tonight.
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BP you have been saying that OVER&OVER for a month, why don't you fucking find out what is going on and report it.
Wouldn't want to worry about the people who gave their "escrow" money to these guys, would you.
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The question for me is WHY? But that said, nobody thinks like I do, hell I didn't even trust my own mother around my wallet.
I have been married to the same woman forever, and we have separate accounts.
This had to be a bunch of liberal BEND fed sheep, ... Its so fucking BEND, I'm going to get rich. ...
Let's see I'll hypothesize, ... "I just sold my CALI house", and I'm going to wait for BEND to go down, so I'll call my WAIT a 1031-exchange, OH here are some nice JEWISH lawyers that I make a fortune on my interest WIN-WIN for everybody, ...
What the fuck else could this be??
I still say its a 'Man sticks dick in dogs mouth story'.
Sorry, I'll shut up now.
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You don't have to shut-up, it's the odor you leave on the rock.
Maybe you can drink some water. Have you been dehydrated??
TOO
FUCKING
COLD.
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It is especially on monday. Looks like friday/sat will be a repeat of monday.
APU,
I didn't accuse you of watching TV, I like to listen to Rogers, but I only agree that the DOLLAR is going to collapse which means that owning YUAN&EURO will make you 'rich', well compared to poor.
WRT to his BULLSHIT on commoditys I disagree, but the KUNT owns a commodity mutual fund, and thus like BUFFET he is whore that has something to sell.
But when Rogers talks about how the USA is fucking the DOLLAR he is 100%.
Just the other day some KUNT here was bitching that there was no place to make money, ... which is BULLSHIT, cuz for 20+ years the DOLLAR has been going in the toilet, all you got to be is out of the DOLLAR and you make money.
How? You got to travel and open accounts.
Sheeeeet these days even a little trip to Canada would be safer than the fucking US banks, during the great depression, Canada didn't get fucked like the USA.
The USA has been fucking itself forever. It's like criminals have always ran the USA banking system since day-one.
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BP you have been saying that OVER&OVER for a month, why don't you fucking find out what is going on and report it.
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It's still the guarantee of financing issue, to quote Jerry Mitchell "A couple of issues we have not quite wrapped up."
I'll ask the JRMB about it tomorrow if I get a chance to go to their 11 AM meeting. If not, I'll call John James.
My guess is that the new Council will pass it without questions, so the staff is simply waiting.
Regarding any payback to Summit's clients, note that Neuman's primary residence has four Deed of Trust's on it, totaling $9,545,000.
The deed to Summit is the last.
This mess is going to give Bend another big, fat black eye when it gets out. And it's going to, since they had fifteen offices across the west.
From the Google-cached About Summit 1031 Exchange:
Summit is one of the first and most experienced intermediary companies in the country, and one of few Qualified Intermediaries owned by CPAs and operated by both CPAs and Attorneys. Our company, started in 1991, has been involved in over 20,000 exchange closing transactions totaling over $1 billion.
Based in Bend, Oregon, the state where the famous T.J. Starker vs. I.R.S. case originated, Summit handles exchanges all over the United States from eight office locations located in Oregon, California, Washington, Montana, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah, and Texas. Additionally, our experts have provided consulting services to help establish seven other intermediary businesses across the country. Summit's experts travel throughout the nation to educate professionals in all aspects of the real estate industry about 1031 exchanges, including audiences of Realtors®, CPAs, Lenders, Attorney's, Investors, Financial Advisors and many others.
Summit is an active member of the Federation of Exchange Accommodators (FEA), the only national organization for the exchange industry, formed to promote ethical standards of conduct in the exchange profession as well as innovations in the industry. Summit was one of just ten original FEA members to advocate and qualify for bonding insurance. In addition, Summit was one of the first Qualified Intermediaries in the country to provide errors and omission insurance protection for clients.
Summit's team is one of the strongest in the industry. Our principals and partners offer over 30 years of combined exchange expertise and background experience in Public Accounting, Tax Law, Real Estate, Mortgage Lending, and Title/Escrow. In addition, we require our exchange staff to work toward obtaining their Certified Exchange Specialist® designation. In fact, members of Summit's staff were some of the first FEA members to receive their CES® designations.
Find out why Summit is known for the best qualified intermediary services in the country. Contact Us Today!
and the sidebar:
"I have had the pleasure of successfully closing several commercial exchanges using the expertise of Summit 1031 Exchange and their staff. Mark and Brian have been instrumental in assisting me with advice about income taxes and structuring ideas. They have always made themselves available to the local Real Estate Community by giving valuable training sessions. Their staff is knowledgeable and friendly and it is a pleasure doing business with them."
Gary Everett CCIM
Associate Broker
Steve Scott & Co Realtors
Bend, Oregon
My bolding.
This mess is way bigger than just Bend.
The T.J Stark comment refers to the case that enabled 1031's. Summit's Google-cached history of 1031's is here.
Another case of over leveraging available assets, including those not your own?
In a month or less this hits Bloomberg.
This is rich, the 4th Qtr 2008 newsletter lead-in:
CDARS, Summit and Your Money!
Today, many exchangers have a heightened degree of concern about the safety of their exchange funds resulting from recent bank failures. In addition to bonding and professional liability insurance, Summit 1031 Exchange uses a variety of measures to protect exchange funds.
OK, Buster, enough about Summit.
Although I would love to read that whole newsletter.
Why does the damn dog always bite. Why won't it suck just once?
>>And it's going to, since they had fifteen offices across the west.
Yeah, that's a good point. This isn't just a Bend story. Maybe Oregonian or WSJ can cover it. It'd be a good story since it highlights RE excesses.
Why does the damn dog always bite. Why won't it suck just once?
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In Bend once upon a time there were sucking dogs, cut little puppy's without teeth. But in 1962 when Mike Hollern arrived, he ate them all.
It's Been the Bend as we know it ever since.
It's been 46 long years, since Mikey came to Bend to establish his birthright.
Today sucking puppy's, and Real Estate in Bend that only goes up, is just stuff that dreams are made of.
Yeah, that's a good point. This isn't just a Bend story. Maybe Oregonian or WSJ can cover it. It'd be a good story since it highlights RE excesses.
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But what is the story. See guys with Made-Off there are faces, and names and people who have lost it all.
We know that 1031 has filed a statement, and this year horse-traded a lot of RE, but that is NOT a crime.
Where are the crocodile horror story's?? Does anybody know anybody that was actually HURT?
That's why this to me just smells like another PUSSY manufactured crisis.
PUSSY, go find out something about Suterra and make yourself useful.
Re: In Bend once upon a time...
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Thanks for the laugh :)
When I saw Hollern for my first and only time at that JRMB meeting, he wasn't physically very impressive. But you could tell that the other RE gods in the room were impressed by him.
Re: PUSSY, go find out something about Suterra and make yourself useful.
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Sorry, but my take on Suterra is it's just another industrial company making shit with bad effluent that needs monitoring. Think Silicon Valley or China.
The Cali spraying, on the other hand, is something that is better addressed in Cali. It's a fight between supposed potential crop quarantines and the health of the local population. A lot like the shit sprayed on the crops the illegals harvest, but it hit people with a voice.
This is a dead-horse, we don't know what happened in BEND, but we do know that its like the 'dick in dog mouth', nobody in the biz puts his money in 'commingled accounts', we have been told that is what has been going on here if true, then it just shows how fucking stupid the people in Bend are, but then these are the same people who get their dick's bit off. So fucking what.
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For the third time this year we have a case where an intermediary has stolen the funds from its client's 1031 exchanges. As in the prior instances of exchange theft, the intermediary was able to commit this fraud because the funds were held in a commingled account.
Gary Gorman
by Gary Gorman
Founding Partner,
The 1031 Exchange Experts
Intermediaries can hold client exchange accounts in one of two ways: in a commingled account, or in a segregated account.
In a commingled account, the combined proceeds of all of their clients' exchanges are held in one single account. For example, if the intermediary has 200 clients, all of their money would be pooled into one account.
The alternative way is to hold the money in separate accounts for each client. So in this instance, continuing my example from above, the intermediary would have 200 separate accounts -- one for each client.
Recently, a Boston intermediary lost their funds as a result of speculative securities trading. This was made possible because the intermediary, Benistar Property Exchange Trust Company, held clients exchange funds in a commingled account.
This is remarkably similar to the Minnesota case I reported on about six months ago. In the Minnesota case the intermediary suffered massive day trading losses. And just a couple of months ago I reported on a California intermediary who took her clients' exchange funds and disappeared.
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The common denominator in each of these cases was the ease in which the intermediary could commit the fraud because the money was held in a commingled account.
By far, the scariest instance was the Minnesota case, because it resulted in a court opinion that said that when an intermediary commingles exchange funds, the commingled account becomes an asset belonging to the intermediary, not the clients!
In the Minnesota case the remaining balance in the commingled account was used to pay other company creditors. In addition, all of the exchange proceeds that had been sent out to complete exchanges in the three months before the intermediary went bankrupt had to be returned by the former exchange clients, and used to pay other creditors.
The reason this is so scary is because we now have a case that specifically states that a commingled exchange account is an asset of the intermediary company (the judge made it very clear that separate exchange accounts belong to the individual exchange clients).
Here's what alarms me about this: suppose an exchange client sues their intermediary and wins a large judgment against them. Because the Minnesota case says that the commingled account is an asset of the intermediary, guess where the client is going to go to collect on their judgment? Exactly! From the commingled account. And what happens to the other clients whose money goes to pay the judgment merely because the intermediary held their money in the commingled account? They sue, and the snowball of lawsuits begins.
Take it one step further: let's say you sue your intermediary. Because your intermediary holds its clients exchange funds in a commingled account, you know that that will be your source of collecting if you win your suit. But to block your ability to collect if you win, all the intermediary has to do is break their commingled account into separate accounts for each client. What are you going to do to keep them from diverting the funds? Right -- when you file your suit you are going to attempt to freeze the commingled account. Can you do this? I don't know -- it probably depends on how good your attorney is.
If the account is frozen, what happens to the intermediary's other clients whose money is trapped in the now frozen account? If the freeze lasts beyond the contract date for the purchase of their new property, they could default on the purchase of their New Property. If it lasts beyond their 180 days their exchange is toast since there are no extensions of the 180 day deadline.
...this is scary because we now have a case that says a commingled account is an asset of the intermediary...
Really scary stuff isn't it? The solution, again, is to make sure that your exchange funds are held in a separate exchange account: just your funds in one account and no one else's. And a separate account must be separate not only from other client's monies, but also separate from the intermediary's assets.
My company, for example, holds the funds from every client's exchange in its own separate account because it's obviously the only way to protect our client's funds. Each of our accounts has the clients name on it (i.e., “The 1031 Exchange Experts, as intermediary for Fred and Sue Jones”), AND the client's tax identification number or social security number is also on the account. If something bad happens to us, the Qualified Intermediary, then our client's exchange funds are still intact and accessible.
Another way we give our clients assurance that their money goes into their own account (and stays there) is with a service we call 1031Access (sm), which assigns a secure portal through our web site to each client for their exchange. By using their assigned username, this 'secret' portal allows them to view their money in their account at the bank, 24/7, via a secure Internet connection. Their portal is protected with a password they set themselves. In this way, using their secret portal, clients can see what moneys have come into their account, what's gone out, how much interest the account has earned and what their current interest rate is.
Like the judge in the Minnesota fraud case said, if your exchange money is in a commingled account, “Caveat Exchanger” (or, “Exchanger Beware!”).
For the no-follow:
Re: PUSSY, go find out something about Suterra and make yourself useful.
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Sorry, but my take on Suterra is it's just another industrial company making shit with bad effluent that needs monitoring. Think Silicon Valley or China.
The Cali spraying, on the other hand, is something that is better addressed in Cali. It's a fight between supposed potential crop quarantines and the health of the local population. A lot like the shit sprayed on the crops the illegals harvest, but it hit people with a voice.
Like the judge in the Minnesota fraud case said, if your exchange money is in a commingled account, “Caveat Exchanger” (or, “Exchanger Beware!”).
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If you stick your dick in a dog mouth, you'll lose your member. This is very old shit.
We already know that you don't give a fuck about WHY, or WHAT, in fact we know you don't give a fuck about anything, your just another of BEND's 75k renter losers, that his like the shocked puppy that can't get off his ASS & LEAVE.
That said, SUTERRA is about another Juniper-Ridge KLUSTER-FUCK where $10M taxpayers dollars goes down the drain for NET-ZERO jobs.
google "1031 exchange fraud"
I think that the only people who would find this topic interesting is middle age loser renters who haven't ever had real pussy.
SO FUCKING BEND ...
Local accountant suspected of theft found dead
Longmont Daily Times-Call, CO - Dec 16, 2008
The IRS-sanctioned deal is known as a 1031 exchange. Edwards had a long and prominent history as a certified public accountant in Longmont. ...
HOW IT STARTS ...
Boulder holding company investigated for fraud
By Howard Pankratz
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 11/24/2008 05:41:48 PM MST
A Boulder company that has gone out of business is being investigated for allegedly defrauding Boulder-area businesses out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, authorities said today.
The company was identified as National 1031 Exchange, 1420 28th St.
According to investigators, the firm and its owner, Debra S. Edwards, provided services to business owners who sold commercial real estate and wished to have sale profits held, tax-free, until they located new property to purchase.
Under the company's contract, Edwards was supposed to return the money when a new property was located, minus a small handling fee, said Sarah Huntley, spokeswoman for the Boulder Police Department.
Huntley said the arrangement has received approval from the Internal Revenue Service.
Edwards said today that nothing illegal happened and that all her clients will be reimbursed by her insurance company.
"Everything is going to be covered," said Edwards. "Everyone is covered; everyone is fully insured."
She said she has three or four clients remaining.
Edwards said National 1031 Exchange went out of business due to economic conditions.
"We have suffered business losses," she said. "The economy is just too horrible to continue. We are not continuing."
The National 1031 Exchange website states: "Thank you for your interest in (the) National 1031 Exchange but we are no longer accepting new clients."
Huntley said police began the investigation late last month after one of Edwards' clients said he had given National 1031 Exchange more than $1.2 million to hold for him while he searched for a new property.
When he found the new property, he claimed that National 1031 Exchange wired him some money but failed to return more than $400,000.
After wrangling with Edwards, Huntley said the businessman was told he'd have to file a demand letter with the company's insurance provider to collect the rest of the money.
On Friday, a second complaint was filed against National 1031 Exchange.
Huntley said that investigators have learned National 1031 Exchange is no longer in business and suspect there may be other victims, including some who believe their money is still being held in trust with the company.
Individuals with information about the company are asked to contact Detective Traci Cravitz at 303-441-3330.
Howard Pankratz: 303-954-1939 or
HOW IT ENDS ...
Publish Date: 12/16/2008
Friends stunned by CPA’s death
By Tony Kindelspire
Longmont Times-Call
LONGMONT — Friends and acquaintances of Debra Edwards say they were stunned to learn of her death early Monday.
Edwards, 53, a well-known Longmont CPA and owner of National 1031 Corp. in Boulder, was wanted on suspicion of felony theft when Longmont police discovered her body in her Longmont office just before 2 a.m. Monday.
Larry Jensen, a founding member of the CPA firm Jensen Burcham Stelmack Karimi LLP, said he had known Edwards for about 15 years, starting when the accounting firm he was a partner in merged with a firm where Edwards worked.
About five years ago, he said, she went to another Longmont firm before launching her own CPA practice last year.
“She had a very good heart, and she was always trying to help people,” Jensen said. “I don’t know what kind of a mess she had got herself into at the exchange firm, but it was really sad.”
Jensen said Edwards came to his home Sunday night and had dinner with him and his wife, Millie.
“I thought she was headed home,” he said. “She was trying to finish up loose ends that she was trying to take care of in anticipation of her surrender. As far as I know, she had arranged to meet her attorney (at the Boulder Police Department on Monday).”
Although he and his wife were friends with Edwards, Jensen said, she didn’t discuss her legal problems in detail on the advice of her attorney.
Jensen said he learned of her death Monday morning from Edwards’ sister, with whom she lived in Berthoud.
Sue Connelly, co-owner of the D-Barn and Rabbit Hill Graphics, said she heard the news the same way.
Connelly said she and Edwards met at a Longmont Area Chamber of Commerce after-hours event about 15 years ago, and Edwards had been doing her taxes ever since.
The two had also become close friends, Connelly said. Last Wednesday, they had lunch at a local restaurant, and Edwards gave her three painted-pony Christmas ornaments, Connelly said.
Connelly said Edwards seemed “ill at ease” Wednesday but determined to work her way out of her legal problems.
The day after the two women had lunch, the Times-Call reported that a warrant had been issued for Edwards’ arrest.
“When the article came out Thursday I called her and told her I still believed in her, and if there was anything I could do for her she could call me and I would help her anytime, anywhere,” Connelly said.
Edwards served as former Longmont Mayor Julia Pirnack’s campaign accountant the three times Pirnack ran for city office, and although the two weren’t close friends, Pirnack said Monday afternoon that she was “concerned and surprised” when she learned of Edwards’ death.
“I thought she had a great amount of integrity and was really a heartfelt person,” Pirnack said.
To read more about this and other stories, pick up the print edition of the Longmont Times-Call.
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Aunt Debi was one of those people who just made you smile. She loved animals and treated everyone with respect and kindness. She was one of a kind and will be greatly missed. My condolences go out to everyone who was close to her, knowing the sadness her passing brings. Kimberly
St. Louis 12/17/2008 9:06:01 AM As a victim in this case, I am shocked and saddened by her death. I have prayed for her and my sympathies and condolences go out to all of her family and friends. I too, knew her to be someone who had offered much of herself to those around her. Hurtful words or rhetoric will bring nothing but more pain. It is time to pray for healing for all those who have been effected by this tragedy and the senseless series of events that lead up to it.
Boulder 12/17/2008 8:29:34 AM ROAD LESS TRAVELED Two roads diverged in a yellow wood And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth Then took the other as just as fair And having perhaps the better claim Because it was grassy and wanted wear Though as for that, the passing there Had worn them really about the same And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet, knowing how way leads onto way I doubted if I should ever come back I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence Two roads diverged in a wood And I took the one less traveled by And that has made all the difference Robert Frost
Westcliffe, Colorado 12/17/2008 2:34:51 AM Debi was a gracious, loyal, and caring woman. My prayers are with her family during this time. She is loved by so many, and I find this incredibly heartbreaking. We love you Debi.
Antibes, France 12/17/2008 12:37:16 AM Yes it seems the mean comments were removed. Good for you Times-Call.
Fenton MO 12/16/2008 4:11:29 PM Did Times-Call remove some of the comments? I don't see anything hurtful being said so some of the comments don't make sense.
12/16/2008 3:40:03 PM I know that anybody who knew Debi knows the truth already, and that is what matters most. She was greatly loved and will be missed terribly. She would never have done anything to hurt anyone or steal from anybody on purpose. If you knew her, you would understand. She was incredibly kind and never had a negative word for anyone. This sort of publicity and public "meanness" must have been impossible for her to bear. I love you, Aunt Debi.
Saint Louis 12/16/2008 3:12:37 PM My sympathies go out to Debi's family and friends. I knew here for a while many years ago, and she seemed like a nice lady.
Longmont 12/16/2008 12:48:07 PM This was my Aunt. I am shocked to hear of this. My mom called her office to ask for her which is how she found out. She was my mom's brother's ex wife and she was just in MO for my sister's wedding in September. We were planning on going on vacation together in MO next summer. My younger sister was planning on visiting her in the next year. I hadn't heard from her in a couple of months and now we can't find anything out about any arrangements as my uncle knows nothing. I'm not sure if she is guilty of the charges but you must understand this was a kind loving woman who wouldn't even talk bad about her own nasty ex. She expressed to us the difficulty in her buisiness with the economy being the way it was. Just let the authorities do their job and stop slamming her please.
Fenton, MO 12/16/2008 12:27:18 PM Debi was a wonderful,giving person. Whatever legal issues she had are suppose to be handled by the legal system, not by speculation or by news media wanting to print sensationalized stories. She deserved her day in court---not rumors and innuendo. As a part of our family, we are shocked and extremely saddened by her passing. We loved you Debi, and we will always believe you to be the caring and giving person who we knew. Our deepest sympathies to her family in Colorado. Michelle
St. Louis 12/16/2008 11:51:38 AM I would like to express my utmost sympathy for Debra's family and friends. She was a lovely, caring human who was loved by numerous people. This tragedy will be felt for a long time.
Berthoud 12/16/2008 10:28:35 AM The idea that we are all innocent until proven guilty applies only in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Nevertheless, I find the idea of making political hay out of this unfortunate situation to be crass and vulgar.
Longmont 12/16/2008 10:04:54 AM Supposedly we're all presumed innocent until proven guilty. This woman had family and friends who loved her and are devasted by these events. Before pointing fingers and spewing your ignorant hatred, which you will, please think about them.
Longmont 12/16/2008 9:40:35 AM
There must be some real people who have been hurt, or else there would be no notice up at the Summit website that there are insufficient funds to pay all investors.
If one of the suckers is pregnant man, or lawnchair balloon man, or man who invents draggable tire generator, or lady forbidden from drying sheets, we've got a story!
On Tuesday, Sept. 11 the
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7:30 a.m.
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Summit 1031 Exchange will
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Larkin has an extensive
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currently teaches continuing
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The event will be held
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The price is $15 for cham-
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For more information,
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If one of the suckers is pregnant man, or lawnchair balloon man, or man who invents draggable tire generator, or lady forbidden from drying sheets, we've got a story!
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Yep, but still you got to have victims.
My reading is that these folks have been putting their own property on the line to raise cash.
Who the fuck knows what is going on.
What I do know is that mean spirited rumors MUST be verified quick.
Like the Longmont, CO story above it all started with police reports, the folks that lost their money filed criminal complaints, that's how you get shit done, without hiring a FUCKING lawyer.
That said PUSSY, why don't you look and see if there are any complaints filed with the cops in BEND or COUNTY during the past year. Then you would have something on your dick other than dog saliva & blood.
HEY PUSSY, if you care searching for '1031 complaints' in Oregon, I found on our own city of Bend Suterra DEAL with BEND via RENICK ( suterra owner ) is/was done as a 1031, you note its STALLED, what it, what if, what if the money for the suterra deal is/was sitting in these folks commingled account? Remember this is Bend.
§ 1031 exchange as contemplated by Section 37 below subject to the above limitation on the
anticipated use o f the Property. Except for an Internal Revenue Code § 1031 exchange as contemplated
by Section 37 below, any assignment by Seller o f its rights and obligations under this Agreement shall
be subject to Buyer ' s prior written consent, exercisable in Buyer ' s sole discretion. Any assignment by
Seller shall not relieve it o f any o f its liabilities or obligations under this Agreement.
Re: HEY PUSSY, if you care searching for '1031 complaints' in Oregon, I found on our own city of Bend Suterra DEAL with BEND via RENICK ( suterra owner ) is/was done as a 1031, you note its STALLED, what it, what if, what if the money for the suterra deal is/was sitting in these folks commingled account? Remember this is Bend.
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You are referring to the 12/18/2007 transaction recorded with the County. It's with a Bruce Resnick, who may or may not be associated with Stewart Resnick, owner of Suterra.
I'm way more curious about the $5M security deeds suddenly filed this fall.
And those of you involved who may be reading this--suicide us NOT the way out. Money is nothing, family is everything.
If one of the suckers is pregnant man, or lawnchair balloon man, or man who invents draggable tire generator, or lady forbidden from drying sheets, we've got a story!
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Apu,
Then the WSJ would do a story, and the BULL would follow in a month, and the SORE in a year.
"Pregnant man loses fertilized egg's in 1031 deal gone bad" ... Hell that would make UK paranormal papers.
PUSSY YOU GOD DAMN ASS HOLE THIS IS WHAT MAKES ME SO ANGRY WITH YOU, YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT .. the date of the doc is oct 22, 08, and it steward resnick who owns suttera, DUMB fucking pussy, must have thought I was talking about HB.
Anonymous said...
PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ESCROW INSTRUCTIONS
(JUNIPER RIDGE PROPERTy )
THIS PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ESCROW INSTRUCTIONS (JUNIPER RIDGE
PROPERTy) (this "Agreement"), dated as o f October 22 , 2008 ("Effective Date"), are made by and
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§ 1031 exchange as contemplated by Section 37 below subject to the above limitation on the
anticipated use o f the Property. Except for an Internal Revenue Code § 1031 exchange as contemplated
by Section 37 below, any assignment by Seller o f its rights and obligations under this Agreement shall
be subject to Buyer ' s prior written consent, exercisable in Buyer ' s sole discretion. Any assignment by
Seller shall not relieve it o f any o f its liabilities or obligations under this Agreement.
When your fingers always smell like shit, everybody's first name is bruce.
Re: When your fingers always smell like shit, everybody's first name is bruce.
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If that's your fantasy, we probably don't want to meet at Deschutes.
Had a whole bunch more to spew, but realized you are just covering for others.
Good luck.
Yes. Strangeness from Buster, like maybe he is involved.
Lot O News today in CO. Just the tip of the iceberg on this blog. Should make for lively conversation once we get past Summit 1031.
Glad it's snowing, I should be able to forget about this mess for a couple hours this weekend.
NEUMAN,MARK A
NEUMAN,JANICE L
18775 MACALPINE LOOP
BEND OR 97702
Site Address: 18775 MACALPINE LOOP BEND 97702
Assessor Property Description
HIGHLANDS AT BROKEN TOP PHASE 2 Lot: 36 Block:
Code Splits: xxxx, xxxx
Prop Cls:401 MA:5 VA:49 NH 004 Vol-Page: 2007-12504
Asmt Zone:UAR CDD Zone:UAR10 (URBAN AREA RESERVE)
*** Land Values ***
Asmt type Acres R.M.V.
URBAN TRACT 5.00 506,630
SD 4,150
LA 15,000
*Total 5.00 525,780
*** Improvement Values ***
FB $ R.M.V. BLT %GD
174 1,577,870 2006 100
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Room Grid for 174 Total SqFt: 8070
- - - - - - - R O O M S - - - - - - -
LR K DR FAM BD BATH OTH FP UTL
Sq Ft: 6240 1st Fl 1 1 1 1 3 4\1 2 3 1
580 2nd Fl 0 0 0 0
1250 Basemt 1 1
2650 Garage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
*** Special Assessments Code Amount Acres
DEPT OF FORESTRY FIRE 1 20.64 5.00
DEPT OF FORESTRY SURCH F 71.47
***Total*** 92.11 5.00
Dude at Sportsman's Warehouse told me that if I wanted some 9mm ammo, I should be waiting when the truck arrives tomorrow. People are buying it as fast as they put it on the shelf.
Had a whole bunch more to spew, but realized you are just covering for others.
-bp
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Which BP was that the one we love to finger fuck? or an impostor??
The PUSSY brought up 1031, and the BIGGEST 1031 facing BEND today is the SUTERRA deal, and the PUSSY changes the subject. Go figure, ....
oct 22, 08, and it steward resnick who owns suttera, DUMB fucking pussy, must have thought I was talking about HB.
Anonymous said...
PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ESCROW INSTRUCTIONS
(JUNIPER RIDGE PROPERTy )
THIS PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND ESCROW INSTRUCTIONS (JUNIPER RIDGE
PROPERTy) (this "Agreement"), dated as o f October 22 , 2008 ("Effective Date"), are made by and
...
§ 1031 exchange as contemplated by Section 37 below subject to the above limitation on the
anticipated use o f the Property. Except for an Internal Revenue Code § 1031 exchange as contemplated
by Section 37 below, any assignment by Seller o f its rights and obligations under this Agreement shall
be subject to Buyer ' s prior written consent, exercisable in Buyer ' s sole discretion. Any assignment by
Seller shall not relieve it o f any o f its liabilities or obligations under this Agreement.
If that's your fantasy, we probably don't want to meet at Deschutes.
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Jeebus xmas, do you think that any us have ever met you @ deschutes for any other reason?
Your mind? Your teeth? Your baldness?
It's always been your ass BP?
So what now after getting all of us hooked on your goods your threatening to cut us off?
There must be some real people who have been hurt,...
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The real people are the city of bend.
The city has already spent the suterra proceeds from the general fund, and now they can't get the funding.
Web forums offer a venue for the most sick, twisted, bitter, vindictive and just plain crazy individuals in society to vent their hatred for other individuals – or the world in general – from behind a screen of anonymity. The ruling essentially means that whatever vileness somebody accuses you of on the Web – embezzlement, child abuse, mass murder – you have no recourse against him or against the business that allowed him to spew his lies. - HBM
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I say HBM has shown his true colors here. Judge Redmond is one of the finest Federal judges in the country, and HBM shows his true fucking PUG colors.
Anybody that doesn't work for HOLLERN is a child-molester, murderer, or embezzler, yeh right HBM.
What does that make you??
I don't care what they say Bruce, we love your for your ass, and not your brains.
you have no recourse against him or against the business that allowed him to spew his lies. - HBM
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Does that mean I can sue the SORE for your bile HBM??
You talk like you have given this a lot of thought.
I'll say again, Judge Redmond of PDX is a good friend of mine, and unlike you he is a good man. Not a pimp for local newspapers.
Judge Redmond believes in free speech, you only believe in the status quo and somehow it will trickle down.
You are NO fucking progressive, you are pug-wolf in sheeps clothing.
Blogger IHateToBurstYourBubble said...
NEUMAN,MARK A
NEUMAN,JANICE L
18775 MACALPINE LOOP
BEND OR 97702
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What's the point? Guilt until proven innocent? Perhaps the NO-FOLLOW man has finally brought out his trump card. You wanted self pity when BENDBB outed you, and you you have indicted someone with no evidence of a crime.
This had to be coming, when a town inquisition team is ran by newbie losers like hbm, homer, bp, ... it was only a matter of time, before they started hating anybody that wasn't a loser.
Web forums offer a venue for the most sick, twisted, bitter, vindictive and just plain crazy individuals in society to vent their hatred for other individuals – or the world in general – from behind a screen of anonymity. The ruling essentially means that whatever vileness somebody accuses you of on the Web – embezzlement, child abuse, mass murder – you have no recourse against him or against the business that allowed him to spew his lies. - HBM
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Isn't it FUNNY that our #1 OREO promoter in BEND, is also our #1 promoter of censorship, mind-control, ...
BENDBB & HBM spend more time deleting content on the internet, than anyone in Bend.
I wonder if this projects what we can expect from the OREO??
If so, no wonder there is rumored shortage of brass&lead.
Buster?
Blogger Duncan McGeary said...
Buster?
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Ned, your a lot of things, but your not a newbie loser.
There are a lot interesting topics here today, but like always the are imitates the Flanders, and nobody is capable of saying what they really think.
There are a lot interesting topics here today, but like always the are imitates the Flanders, and nobody is capable of saying what they really think.
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The ART imitates the Flanders.
So where are we this week, a little shit on how made-off has positioned his fall as 'fraud' so that all the richest Jews in the USA can get on the bail-out list.
Then the PUSSY gets us all bothered about 1031's, but when it brought to his attention that the biggest 1031 in all of BEND is the recent Suterra deal, he has toxic shock syndrome.
Like always with this group every week, 3 steps forward, 4 steps backward.
Dude at Sportsman's Warehouse told me that if I wanted some 9mm ammo
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If you want 9mm, go to 'shotgun news', find an ad, and get home delivery of wooden cases of 1,000 rounds for $50, and save yourself the 500% markup from retail.
There is no fucking shortage of Ammo.
It's still legal to have UPS deliver ammo to your home. Might as well enjoy before OREO ban's it.
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