First, I just want to say that The Most Likely International Incident To Be Ignored As Insignificant And Boomerang On Our Corpulent AmeriKKKan Asses is this crap happening in Mumbai.
I know, we've had to endure these low-grade terrorist boom-boom's since Osama showed the World How It's Really Done.
But this one seems different. Blowing up a Train In Spain where the chards fall Mainly On The Plains is one thing. Spain is the trailer park of Europe.
India, in case you've been lost in a fog of hyper-consumerism for the past decade, is RICH. India is extremely wealthy nowadays, and there is NOTHING up-and-comers like to prove more than I Can Kick Your Poor Ass. We've been doing it for 50 years.
Just keep it in mind: That Mumbai shit could escalate to NUCLEAR in no time at all. Always stay alert on where the next downleg can come from.
Speaking of head-in-hand Pathetic, I still very occasionally head over to Bend Economy Board (via ANONYMOUS PROXY!!!!) to see if things are headed up over there. Well, except for BendBB's still kick-ass data collection, this thing has seemingly turned into a Ra-Ra board for RE. To wit:
Housing Consumer Confidence Returns!
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No better time to buy
All you have to do is read some of the comments to see few people, IF ANY, are buying this tripe. But there is the occasional Realtor plant:
I will admit, having been actively in the real estate market (looking for a good deal on a house) for some time now, there has been an unmistakable uptick in activity.
And there are the Ever-Ebullient Perma-Bulls, like Jack Elliott, for whom No Piece Of Bad News Is Truly Bad.
And I'm sure a lot of people think that I am of the "100% All About Any Piece Of Bad News Is 100% True, And Any Good News Is Bullshit" mindset. Not true.
I just feel that we are in the post-traumatic throes of a Bubble Deflation that will bring down this country to a financial level we have not experienced in 50-100 years. And there will be nowhere in the US that suffers more than Bend.
And I think what I've been saying here about the Nationwide Vicious Aftermath is pretty clear for all to see. Number 1 News Item for months now. But what about Bend?
I'll tell you right now that Bend is going to be ravaged harder than anywhere in the U.S. There's a bit of a somber mood about town, and you can finally actually speak about The Current Bad Times at a cocktail party without fear of ostracism.
But THIS is NOTHING. This is NOTHING compared to what is coming. Just take a look out the Side View Window:
It's pretty plain to see that we spanned almost the Entire Gamut of the previous 19 years of economic activity, in one feel swoop, going from some of the lowest unemployment rates ever, to The Highest October Unemployment Rate On Record In One Year.
This AIN'T a Bump In the Road. Wait for February. We will see The Worst Unemployment Rates In Modern Bend History. There's going to be some Major Epiphanizing going on; People realizing EN MASSE that YES, Bend Is Different. IT'S WORSE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE U.S.
The Bulletin, of course, ran a piece regarding the Great Deflation Of Bend (Population), but it began with a hashing over of The Glory Hole Years.
"This Here? Why, This Is A Little Bump In The Road! Bigger & Better Than Ever In No Time, And So Forth. Yes, Yes. Outdoor Recreation, Wealthy Widows With Big Ol Double Deez, Monsters Of Cock On 96 Year Old Men! It's A Paradise!"
Yeah. Right.
OK, here's an interesting piece that should get your pot boiling, if you managed to act in a fiscally responsible manner for the past 10 years.
Why lenders might forgive your debt
There was a time when lenders didn't want to work with you if you couldn't pay. Now they want to avoid foreclosure, lawsuits or repossession almost as much as you do.
By Liz Pulliam Weston
People who overdosed on debt in recent years learned the paradox of easy credit: While lenders were willing to let you borrow copious amounts, they weren't particularly interested in helping you work out a solution if you fell behind on repayment.
Lenders often found it easier and cheaper to write off delinquent accounts as bad debt than work with you on a repayment plan. After all, they could get a tax break on the loss and then get on with the profitable business of extending credit to the next guy.
Lately, however, lender perspectives have changed. Soaring default rates, a weakening economy and the credit crunch have rewritten the rules.
* Credit card lenders charged off 5.47% of the total amounts owed on cards as bad debt in the second quarter, according to the Federal Reserve. A year ago, the charge-off rate was 3.85%.
* Consumer bankruptcy filings in October topped 100,000, a 40% increase from a year earlier and the highest level since the federal bankruptcy reform law took effect in October 2005, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.
* More than 2.2 million homeowners are more than 60 days late on their mortgage payments, according to the Hope Now alliance of lenders and credit counselors, and one in six homeowners owes more on a home than it's worth.
* With home prices plummeting, every foreclosure now represents a loss of 44% of the original loan amount, up from 29% a year ago, according to data from LPS Applied Analytics.
That's why lenders are now looking for ways to keep people paying their bills, even if it means forgiving some of their debt. Now the paradox is that in order to qualify, you must be struggling, but not so much that a change in terms wouldn't help you.
How the new programs work
The most sweeping new program was announced Nov. 11. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the government agencies that guarantee 31 million U.S. mortgages, will begin paying the mortgage service companies that maintain the loans $800 for every loan they modify. Borrowers would get help in several ways: Interest rates would be reduced so that borrowers would not pay more than 38% of their gross income on housing expenses. Another option is for loans to be extended from 30 years to 40 years, and for some of the principal amount to be deferred interest-free.
The same day, Citigroup announced it would halt foreclosures for borrowers who live in their own homes, have decent incomes and stand a good chance of making lowered mortgage payments. Ultimately, it plans to modify the repayment terms on up to $20 billion in loans.
Late last month, JPMorgan Chase expanded its mortgage modification program to an estimated $70 billion in loans, which could aid as many as 400,000 homeowners. The modifications were to include reducing amounts owed or the loans' interest rates, and replacing so-called "pay option" loans that typically resulted in mortgages growing over time.
Bank of America, meanwhile, has said that starting Dec. 1, it will modify an estimated 400,000 loans held by newly acquired Countrywide Financial as part of an $8.4 billion legal settlement reached with 11 states in early October.
Loan forgiveness is a key part of the Hope for Homeowners program. This is the foreclosure prevention program that Congress created as part of the $700 billion Economic and Housing Recovery Act of 2008. Lenders that want to participate typically must agree to reduce borrowers' principal to 90% of their homes' current value.
But wait, there's more
In late October, a coalition of lenders and consumer advocates asked banking regulators to approve a pilot program that would allow struggling borrowers to pay off, over time, less than they owe -- as much as 40% less. Under current rules, any repayment plan has to be for the full amount owed.
Though the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency rejected the first draft over how banks would book the resulting losses, backers of the plan say they're committed to finding a remedy for overtaxed borrowers that's short of bankruptcy -- which would likely mean the banks see no repayment at all.
In the first proposal, a joint project of the Financial Services Roundtable and the Consumer Federation of America, applicants would have been evaluated by certified credit counselors; those who couldn't pay off their debt under a regular debt management program would have been placed in one of four repayment plans that would reduce their principal by 10%, 20%, 30% or 40%. Only consumers closest to bankruptcy could have qualified for the biggest reduction.
Travis Plunkett of the Consumer Federation of America said his group would continue to lobby regulators "to do everything they can, within bounds of the safety and soundness of the financial system, to help consumers," but that ultimately consumer advocates may have to turn to lawmakers for help.
"It may be Congress that has to step in, and I think there's a lot of interest there" in doing so, Plunkett said. "We've got a train wreck coming."
Student loans and car debt
Meanwhile, makers of student and auto loans haven't announced any new plans for forgiveness. In recent years, in fact, both groups made escaping their debt more difficult. But:
* Certain borrowers can still get portions of their federal student loans forgiven through volunteer work, military service and teaching in low-income communities. And Congress passed a law in 2007 that wipes out federal student loan debt for people who work in certain jobs and who make 10 years of on-time payments. Plus:
* Auto lenders are stepping up their education efforts to let troubled borrowers know they have alternatives if they fall behind on their car payments. According to credit bureau Experian, more than 500,000 borrowers are 30 days or more overdue on a car loan.
Yet fewer than half of consumers in a recent poll knew that auto financing companies often worked with troubled borrowers, said Eric Hoffman, spokesman for the Aware, an education group set up by auto dealers and lenders that commissioned the survey.
Auto lenders may be able to modify a loan to stretch payments over a longer period or allow borrowers to make up missing payments, Hoffman said.
"We tell people, 'Don't ignore the situation if you're having trouble,'" Hoffman said. "Get in contact with your lender and see if there's a way to work out a different payment plan."
The same advice holds true for student loans. You may be eligible for income-sensitive or graduated repayment plans or, if you're facing economic hardship, forbearance or deferment that would allow you to skip payments for up to three years.
Here's what to do about other debt:
Credit cards. If you're already behind on your credit card payments, you shouldn't wait to see if you'll qualify for any loan forgiveness programs. Make two calls: one to a legitimate credit counselor and another to an experienced bankruptcy attorney. Between the two, you'll get the information you'll need to decide whether you should continue paying your debt or have it "forgiven" by the U.S. bankruptcy court.
Mortgages. Gather your paperwork -- your mortgage documents, last year's tax return and some recent pay stubs -- and call a HUD-approved housing counselor to evaluate your situation and your options. If you qualify for a loan modification program, the counselor can help you get through to your lender's loss mitigation department, which will evaluate your application.
A lender will want evidence that you're in trouble -- and assurances that any changes will keep the payments coming. Don't expect that it will immediately hack your loan balance to what the house is currently worth; it won't.
Your lender has only a few ways to help you: It can reduce your interest rate, defer payments, extend the length of the loan or forgive some part of your principal.
With your counselor's help, you should decide what solution you want before approaching the lender. If you have a temporary situation such as an illness that will be resolved soon, for example, ask for deferred payments. If your adjustable-rate mortgage is about to reset, use MSN Money's Mortgage Calculator to see if a reduced interest rate could keep you in your home.
You may have trouble getting your lender's attention. That's particularly true if you haven't already fallen behind on your payments, something you should try to avoid, because late payments can kill your credit scores.
In that situation, consider getting an attorney's help, said lawyer and mortgage broker Alan Jablonski, author of "Successfully Navigating the Mortgage Maze" and operator of the AJ Consumer Watch Web site.
Unlike some of those who advertise loan modification help, attorneys have a fiduciary duty to put their clients first (and clients have many remedies, including lawsuits and disciplinary complaints to the bar association, if the attorney fails to fulfill those duties).
That's a far cry from many of the fly-by-night outfits that demand big upfront fees and then fail to act, or disappear with the money.If you decide to hire an attorney, you'll have to find one on your own, Jablonski said; anyone legitimate has a full workload and isn't proactively contacting potential clients.
Your state's bar association may offer referrals. In any case, you'll need to confirm that the attorney is in good standing with the bar, and that he or she has experience with loan modification.
Published Nov. 17, 2008
Just read that over. Sounds good, right? Actually, no. Most of these "workouts" are simple extensions of the loan term, or rolling missed payments into the principal.
You've got to understand these loan workouts are a clusterfuck. They ACTUALLY REWARD PEOPLE FOR DEFAULTING. You are only eligible for The Best Workouts if You Are 3 Months Behind, or are on the verge of going bust. If you are playing by the rules, you get screwed. To wit:
Feel like a sucker? You're not alone
Bailouts are going to reckless Wall Street bankers, to homeowners over their heads and now maybe even to Americans hooked on credit cards. Where's the reward in doing the right thing?
By Liz Pulliam Weston
If you feel like you're being played, you're not alone.
The financial crisis has deepened many people's suspicions that doing the right thing hasn't paid off. Instead, they feel it's made them chumps.
You see it in the "Where's my @#$%ing bailout?" T-shirts, the despair about plummeting retirement accounts and the hostile comments that greet every news story about mortgage restructuring or credit card forgiveness.
One reader put it this way:
"Doesn't keeping your promises mean anything? Most if not all of the people who snagged these (mortgages) were well aware of the risk and the responsibility. It kills me that I'm playing by the rules and bailing out those who were greedy, stupid or both."
Even when they're not directing their anger at anyone in particular, many of my readers feel like they've been led down the garden path.
"I am 62 years old and HAD been planning to retire in 5 years," one wrote. "Although I have lived frugally my entire life and put away 15% of my income every year in a retirement account, my balanced portfolio lost 60% of its value in the last two months."
What he wanted to know: Would he be a bigger fool for pulling his money out of the market now or staying in and possibly suffering more lumps?
If you have similar questions -- if you suspect you're being a chump for making your mortgage payments, paying your credit card bills and continuing to invest in your 401(k) -- read on. You're certainly not alone as you watch others exploit loopholes, mistakes and well-intentioned remedies.
Bailed out but still ruined
The question of why some homeowners are getting bailouts has really been answered by the financial turmoil of the past few months. A huge spike in foreclosures, magnified by derivatives cooked up by Wall Street firms, nearly brought down the global economy. As it stands, we're still likely to suffer one heck of a hangover in the form of a serious recession.
The foreclosure mess is far from over. Many of the riskiest loans -- the ones where homeowners weren't even paying all the interest that was accumulating on their loans each month, let alone touching the principals -- are just now resetting.
Then there's the whole vicious-cycle effect, which I wrote about in April. As foreclosures rise, banks slash the prices of the homes they recover, putting downward pressure on everybody else's property values. With more homes "underwater," more fall into foreclosure when their owners lose a job and can't sell, or simply decide to walk away.
That's why the Powers That Be are finally getting serious about working with struggling homeowners. Given how interconnected everything is in our economy, their success in saving your neighbor from foreclosure might ultimately reduce the chances you'll lose your job.
I agree that a lot of borrowers were complete idiots for agreeing to mortgages that were eight or nine times their incomes (a mortgage that was three times your income used to be considered a stretch in the days before lenders went nuts). Smart borrowers fixed their rates for at least as long as they planned to stay in their homes; dumb ones agreed to adjustable-rate mortgages on their brokers' assurances that they'd be able to refinance before the payments reset.
But borrowers didn't get these loans in a vacuum. Mortgage brokers and loan officers downplayed the risks. So did lenders, who gave the brokers and loan officers fat incentives to push them. The Wall Street machine encouraged looser lending standards and created exotic investment products that wound up multiplying, rather than reducing, the risks. Regulators, meanwhile, stood by and basically did nothing. No one involved is covered in glory.
Neither is anyone getting an entirely free ride. Plenty of people will still lose their homes, and many who get workouts will have to live with trashed credit from the payments they missed before help arrived.
Forgiven but not forgotten
Personally, I wouldn't trade places with any of them, not even the ones who'll wind up keeping the bigger, fancier homes my husband and I decided we couldn't afford. I wouldn't want to live with the anxiety those troubled borrowers have faced ever since they got unaffordable mortgages or the uncertainty they're feeling as they wonder whether a workout will save their homes. Those folks made a hell of a gamble, and even with efforts to help on the rise, most of them are still going to lose.
Give me a home bought with a fat down payment and a 30-year fixed rate any day.
Forgiven but not forgotten
So how about the people who may be about to get big chunks of their credit card debts forgiven?
Major credit card issuers are seeking permission to knock down troubled borrowers' debts by as much as 40%. Debtors would get preferential tax treatment as well; they wouldn't owe income tax on the forgiven debt until they'd paid off the remainder of their balances.
Credit card issuers are recognizing the obvious: that their free-lending ways have come back to bite them. Delinquencies are soaring, and issuers' charge-offs -- balances written off as bad debt -- are up nearly 50% compared with last year.
The issuers figure getting something out of these debtors is better than getting nothing if they stop paying or file for bankruptcy.
The number of people admitted to the issuers' proposed pilot program would be small -- about 50,000 -- although enrollments likely would rise if the plan worked as anticipated.
You might have a beef with this particular bailout if you faced a huge pile of debt and opted to pay it off rather than have it wiped out in bankruptcy.
But once again, I'd rather be financially responsible and conservative than not. I'm not sorry that we've always limited our credit card charges to what we could pay in full every month.
Maybe we haven't bought as many toys as the folks who carried debt and are about to have some of it forgiven. But we also haven't spent a fortune in interest charges, which those people certainly have.
And I seriously doubt I'd have to pay higher interest rates or suffer in any way from this program, even if it became wildly successful. Those of us with good credit still would get the best rates, as I explained in "The real victims of deadbeats? Other deadbeats."
Investing blindly makes you a sucker
How about the last station on the have-I-been-a-sucker line: investing. Surely we were sold a bill of goods when we were told stocks are a good long-term investment. Haven't they gone essentially nowhere for a decade now?
Yes, except that those who continue to invest, in good times and in bad, inevitably come out ahead. MSN Money columnist Jim Jubak explains it best in "When to start investing? Now."
The folks who blow it are the ones who take too much risk in the good times, then panic and bail out in the bad, locking in their losses.
The reader who asked whether he should stay or go is a case in point. So close to retirement, he should have been ratcheting back on his risk. Although he thought his portfolio was balanced, it clearly wasn't -- otherwise, it wouldn't have dropped 30% during the worst of this fall's gyrations, let alone 60%.
This just encapsulates somewhat, the Heinous Agency Problems we are in the midst of creating.
We've already bailed out Huge Banks and Insurers. We are starting to bailout homeowners who have defaulted (ie; SPECULATORS). We're headed towards an Auto bailout, cuz Barack loves Unions, and the largely Muslim sections of Southern Michigan.
Everyone, it seems, is being Bailed Out. Except The Responsible. Those who lived within their means. I'll agree that Hard Times can hit those who deserve it least. But I'll also put forth that ALMOST NONE OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAILED OUT SO FAR MEET THAT DESCRIPTION.
They've said that They Will Print Money Until This Thing Is Solved.
That will, of course, solve nothing. It simply devalues the proxy by which we exchange goods & services. It also redistributes that proxy. Those of least merit are simply given wealth.
This is where we are on a slippery slope. We're a Bailout Nation 100% Addicted To Government Handouts. This should sound EXTREMELY FAMILAR to our local condition. Bend is NOTHING but a taxpayer boondoggle municipality where wealth is redistributed to those who know that local government is nothing more than a wealth redistribution mechanism. Ask Hooker Creek & Knife River: These are less profit seeking corporations, than Sucker Fish on the ailing Bend Slush Fund City Council.
We're NOT governed as much as we are pilfered of our wealth in Bend. Look no further than the last City Council election. Bought & Paid For By COBA. We deserve whatever we get.
And what we'll get is endless USELESS contracts to build infrastructure & "affordable homes".
I actually saw cripple ramps next to The New COVA building on Harriman & Irving, REMOVED and replaced with regular CURBS. Our City, in it's Infinite Wisdom, has decided to allocate resources AWAY from frivolities like Firemen & Policemen, and TOWARDS bricking up cripple ramps at warp speed. Why? Cuz a cripple ramp built TWICE, and still FAILS TO MEET GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, is a hell of a profitable racket, and THAT IS ALL BEND IS.
That's us: Schemes & Scams that rob the citizens & reward GRIFTERS. And these poeple essentially RUN our EXECUTIVE & JUSTICE systems, as well. So what should we expect?
Well, from my own experience, I can say NEAR ENDLESS ATTEMPTS TO SHUTDOWN UNSAVORY FREE-SPEECH RE BLOGS. Yeah, it's become an onslaught. And just so you know, if this thing just DISAPPEARS one day, THAT IS THE REASON.
We can also expect cops & judges to be on the dole. This fucking place is going to be The Most Corrupt City On Earth, and we are well on our way. It's just going to be a bunch of suckerfish sucking on a corpse. Sooner or later, the money will go away, and all the Corporate Welfare Sleeze will just up & leave, and we'll be left with a hollow husk. It's already happening. They're gutting city services, while erecting ridiculous roundabout art.
Simply incredible. We're going 100% BROKE, and they're still putting art on roundabouts.
We're going BROKE, and they are WAIVING SDC charges to BUILDERS.
Have no doubt: Bend is The Most Corrupt City In The U.S.A., and we are rapidly coming to the end of our RE lotto winnings. The Good Times are LONG OVER, and you are about to witness the most incredible financial implosion of a municipality EVER.
And All There Is To Do, Is Stand Back And Witness The Horror.
Sunday, November 30, 2008
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I'll want in at $80 a foot.
GREED II:
Merrill Lynch & Co. chief John Thain has suggested to directors that he get a 2008 bonus of as much as $10 million, but the battered securities firm's compensation committee is resisting his request, according to people familiar with the situation.
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Thain has said he deserves a bonus because he helped avert what could have been a much larger crisis at the firm, people familiar with his thinking told the WSJ.
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Thain will stay with the company following the merger, Bank of America has said. Thain, for his part, has predicted that "thousands" of other Merrill jobs will be lost in the wake of the merger.
'Nuff said.
A political/legal report, on the Blackwater guys who shot up a heavily trafficed square in Iraq last year. They surrendered in Utah, and are represented by the son of Utah Senator Orrin Hatch. Orrin is one of the main reasons I hate some things about Utah:
The prosecution of five Blackwater Worldwide security guards accused in the 2007 shooting of Iraqi civilians will take place in Washington, D.C., a federal magistrate decided today.
A pretrial hearing will take place in Washington at 2 p.m. on Jan. 6.
Magistrate Paul Warner rejected a request to keep proceedings in Salt Lake City, although defense attorneys will continue to argue the case should return to Utah. One of the five men is Donald Ball, 26, of West Valley City.
Warner also denied a defense request for a probable cause hearing, which would have given the men a chance to argue that the case should be dismissed for a lack of evidence.
The five have been indicted on 35 counts of voluntary manslaughter, attempted manslaughter and weapons violations. The charges accuse them of firing on unarmed Iraqi civilians with machine guns and grenades, killing 14 and wounding 20 others in Nisour Square in Baghdad.
A sixth man, Jeremy P. Ridgeway, of California, pleaded guilty Friday to charges of voluntary manslaughter and attempted manslaughter for his role in the shooting. That plea and the indictments, returned Dec. 4, were unsealed today.
Indicted, along with Ball, were: Dustin Heard, 27, a former Marine from Knoxville, Tenn.; Evan Liberty, 26, a former Marine from Rochester, N.H.; Nick Slatten, 25, a former Army sergeant from Sparta, Tenn.; and Paul Slough, 29, an Army veteran from Keller, Texas.
All five men surrendered to federal authorities in Salt Lake City this morning and attended the 1:30 p.m. hearing. Magistrate Warner said the men will not be detained, but ordered them to surrender their passports, stay in their home states except for court proceedings, keep their jobs, and give up their handguns.
Ball, however, was allowed to carry a handgun in his job as a bailiff at the Salt Lake City Justice Court.
He also will be allowed to continued at the Salt Lake Community College police academy, where he is slated to graduate Dec. 18, said David Attridge, supervisor for Peace Officers Standards and Training academy at the college's Miller campus....
More at the local SL Trib article. This is one of the truly flagrant killing incidents in Iraq. Making friends and influencing people, all that.
It reminds me of a conversation I had with a neighbor shortly before I left. He thought that killing everybody in a car approaching a checkpoint was justified, even if there was no observable threat.
The mere possibility of good American/Mormon boys being shot at absolved all.
The mere possibility of a good hard Mormon boy shoot his wad at all, in any direction. Praise be the lord, for it is an act of God himself.
The Lord works in strange ways.
Word at Deschutes tonight is that Volo is done.
RIP. Or don't. No skin off my back.
"I guess I have a little problem with this whole overvalued interpretation," said Cal Gabert, residential manager for Bratton Appraisal Services in Bend. "I've heard we're overvalued before, but we're still somewhat of a resort community. We have a lot to offer that isn't available in other places."
The Bullshittin today has a similar comment from Wendy Adkisson of Gardner: "We have a quality of life that probably other areas of the country don't have and people are willing to pay for that."
Hey Wendy, if that's true, how come nothing is SELLING in the Bend RE market???
This "quality of life" spiel is BULLSHIT and always has been. Bend is NOT unique in its "quality of life." It is NOT the only place in the world where the sun shines. It is NOT the only place in the world that has mountains, rivers, mountain bike trails and golf courses. And what used to be one of the best things about its "quality of life" -- the small-town ambiance and lack of congestion and urban hassle -- has been TRASHED thanks to people like Cal and Wendy and the rest of the realtor/builder/developer axis.
Still, Gabert said, "If you move to Bend, you'd better have employment figured out. A lot of retired people move here,"
And then there are the people who move here and become involuntarily retired.
Wendy Adkisson was quoted last spring that 8 months of inventory was a healthy market. She's a moron.
She bought multiple houses during the bubble with major financing in STDs, up until October 2007 - well after anyone should have known better.
She paid $352k for a 1496 sq foot house in Canal Crossing. The same Canal Crossing where there are 2000 sq foot houses now listed for $179k. Her shit hole is mortgaged for $281k and is probably worth about $150k now, and much much less later.
She is so underwater on her 3 properties that they can't end any other way than foreclosure.
"Local broker expects the Bend market to rebound in 12 months
By Andrew Moore / The Bulletin
March 28, 2008
Wendy Adkisson, principal broker with The Garner Group in Bend, believes home prices in Bend will pick up in the next 12 months, rather than 2010, as Frank Nothaft predicted Thursday in remarks to the National Economists Club.
Adkisson thinks Central Oregon’s recovery will come...."
She is a moron.
According to the report, the median house price for Deschutes County in the third quarter was $277,000. If house prices were 43 percent overvalued, the median price should be roughly $156,000, and that doesn’t make sense, said Adkisson. Citing local data from the Multiple Listing Service, she said the last time prices were at that level was the fourth quarter of 1999.
“I don’t understand where they come up with the number,” said Adkisson. “As long as I remember, they’ve always said we’re overvalued.”
No shit she doesn't understand. 43% overvalued means they think medians should be $194k. If she can't do that SIMPLE math how can she be expected to understand economic principles?
She is moron.
Les Schwab rises from dead and walks at Juniper Ridge.
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Les Schwab Tire Centers Moves to New Headquarters and Announces Additions to Its Senior Management Team
Last update: 5:53 p.m. EST Dec. 8, 2008
PRINEVILLE, Ore., Dec 08, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Les Schwab Tire Centers announced today its new company headquarters office located in Bend, Oregon, opened for business on Monday, November 17,( )2008. Over 100 employees relocated to a 123,000-square-foot office building in the north end of Bend. The remaining 220 corporate employees will move to the building on December 15, 2008.
"The new headquarters office is part of a transition beginning in 2007 to ensure the people, facilities and programs are in place to support our tire centers and their ability to continue providing world-class customer service," said Dick Borgman, CEO of Les Schwab Tire Centers. "With our new headquarters we will continue to attract and retain the talented employees needed to support our retail network of 420 stores and to accommodate future growth."
The architecture and design of the new headquarters building celebrates the company's Central Oregon heritage and reflects its hardworking values. Features include solar panels, state of-the-art mechanical, heating and cooling systems along with water and energy conservation features.
Borgman also announced the recent hiring of three senior management executives with extensive experience in the retail service industry.
John "Jack" Cuniff is the new Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for Les Schwab Tire Centers. Jack was formerly Chief Operating Officer and CFO of Adidas America.
Dale Thompson joined Les Schwab Tire Centers as Chief Marketing Officer. Dale brings more than two decades of experience in marketing and brand management for global brands, including Kellogg's, Mrs. Fields, Campbell Soup and General Mills.
Ken Edwards was hired as Les Schwab's Vice President, Supply Chain Management. Ken joined Les Schwab from Starbucks Coffee Company, where he held a similar position for the company's North American operations.
About Les Schwab Tire Centers
Les Schwab founded Les Schwab Tire Centers in Prineville, Oregon, in 1952. Today the company is one of the leading independent tire dealers in the United States, with more than 7,700 employees in 420 locations throughout Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, California, Nevada, Alaska and Utah.
In 2007-2008 Les Schwab Tire Centers received two awards for its environmental and business practices. The company received an Environmental Excellence award from the Association of Washington Business and it ranked among the top 20 companies in Oregon Business magazine's "Best Places to Work" survey.
SOURCE: Les Schwab Tire Centers
Les Schwab Tire Centers
Jodie Hueske, 541-447-4136
www.Lesschwab.com
Most agree, Bend will be last place on EARTH that recovers from RE bubble.
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Housing Solution: Crashing Home Prices or Cheaper Mortgages?
by: SA Editor Judy Weil December 09, 2008
Most will agree that the key to ending this downturn is for the housing market to stabilize. Economists say affordability in the marketplace will bring back buyers. Home prices are down 50% and more in some U.S. markets. This is increasing affordability and bringing in buyers, as demonstrated in California's rise in home sales.
The government is doing its part by forcing lower mortgage rates. The question is whether the market should run its course and regain equilibrium naturally (and at great pain to the American citizen) or will artificially lower mortgage rates make the bottom happen and stick.
James B. Lockhart, federal regulator for Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) since they were taken over by the government in September, said at a housing conference Monday that
Restoring home affordability was key to a turnaround in the housing market. Despite falling home prices, there are still many potential home buyers "on the fence."
Lockhart was referring to lowering mortgage rates through Fannie and Freddie to help affordability.
Robert Toll, CEO of Toll Brothers (TOL) said affordability is the silver lining on the horizon. Even for a luxury homebuilder like Toll, affordability will bring buyers back. From Toll's FQ408 conference call:
Dan Oppenheim of Credit Suisse just published a report noting that “affordability is significantly improved and better then at any time in the past several decades. The mortgage payment on the median priced home now equates to 16.7% of median household income; an improvement of a 430 basis points since this past summer. That’s down from 25.1% when affordability was at its worst in July, 2006 and well below the long-term average of 23% from 1982 to 2007.”
First signs that foreclosures are subsiding. From MarketWatch:
"Recovery is underway. Affordable is back in the housing market," says Alexis McGee, president of ForeclosureS.com. "In 2009, housing will not only recover, but we'll see buyers leap into this market in droves, depleting our housing oversupply, and actually put higher price pressures on the market."
The latest U.S. Foreclosure Index by ForeclosureS.com shows a slight drop from 84,534 to 84,291 in the number of properties repossessed by lenders following foreclosure last month over October. These are REOs or lender-owned real estate. But that's off nearly 21% from September's 106,415 REO filings. (Year-to-date 12.6 of every 1,000 households nationwide have been lost to foreclosure.)
NAR: The latest U.S. Foreclosure Index numbers show November REO filings in California down to 15,978 in November, down 6.55% from October and off nearly 50% from September. Home prices there have come down, too, as much as 39.4% from Q307 in some areas.
Maybe with home prices where they are, the government effort to artificially reduce mortgage rates will be what pushes the market over to the positive side. Time will tell. From Reuters:
The U.S. housing market is very near a bottom for home sales and prices will hit their low in September, Moody's Economy.com economist Mark Zandi said on Monday… "Foreclosure sales, distress sales, are about 40% of the market. Of course, a bad jobs market means we'll have a couple months more of weak sales."
When prices sink, sales rise. From Newsday:
Multiple Listing Service of Long Island, NY: The median closing price fell to $376,500 for Long Island and Queens last month, down from $421,000 a year ago and $385,000 in October.
The November drop represents a 10.6% decrease from a year ago and a 2.3% decrease from October.
"The good news is things are selling but prices have dropped," said Michael Azzato, associate broker at Century 21 Family Realty in Northport.
USA Today on the Fort Worth, TX area:
The metro area is considered affordable. The median home price is now down a bit, so despite the national financial storm, home buyers are moving ahead.
When prices don't go down enough, sales stagnate. From KTVZ:
It may not seem that way to Realtors or others struggling to make a go of it in Central Oregon's decidedly cooler home-building industry, but… Global Insight, an economic and financial analysis and forecasting firm, found that… the median home price in the Bend, Oregon metro area was $276,900 in Q3. And it said that price was 43% overvalued, despite dropping from $286,300 from Q2 and $315,100 in Q307 - when the report found Bend home prices were 62.3% overvalued.
BEND is 'somewhat' 'kind-of' a 'resort', they must be talking about all our Walmarts, Kmarts, McDonalds, and Costco's.
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Bend home prices still top U.S. 'overvalued' list
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Bend residents not looking to buy or sell - just hang onto their homes - also might not be happy to hear area is ranked No. 1 in 'overvalued' homes
Bend residents not looking to buy or sell - just hang onto their homes - also might not be happy to hear area is ranked No. 1 in 'overvalued' homes
But appraisal expert finds it hard to fathom
By Barney Lerten, KTVZ.COM
It may not seem that way to Realtors or others struggling to make a go of it in Central Oregon's decidedly cooler home-building industry, but a national study claims the Bend area still has the most "extremely overvalued" housing market in the country - 43 percent overvalued, as a matter of fact.
Last week's third-quarter report from Global Insight (www.globalinsight.com), an economic and financial analysis and forecasting firm, found that overall, U.S. house prices have fallen 6.5 percent from their 2007 peak.
The analysis found that the median home price in the Bend metro area (defined as all of Deschutes County) was $276,900 in the third quarter. And it said that price was 43 percent overvalued, despite dropping from $286,300 from the second quarter and $315,100 in the third quarter of 2007 - when the report found Bend home prices were 62.3 percent overvalued.
Bend's third-quarter peak was in 2006, when a $318,800 median for Bend home prices was deemed 65.6 percent overvalued, also topping the nation. (Comparatively, Bend's median price of $202,400 in the third quarter of 2004 was considered only 16.5 percent overvalued.)
The study is a joint effort by HIS Global Insight and National City Corp., "to determine what home prices should be, accounting for differences in population density, relative income levels, interest rates, and historically observed market premiums or discounts," a news release stated.
The rest of the top 5 on the overvalued list: Atlantic City, N.J.; St. George, Utah; Honolulu, Hawaii; and Longview, Wash. (Atlantic City and St. George are the only places that join Bend in the "extremely overvalued" category at present.)
But with Honolulu's median price at $650,800 and Longview's at $205,900, a Bend real estate expert says it's hard to see how the Global Insight report relates to what one's seeing in Bend now.
"I guess I have a little problem with this whole overvalued interpretation," said Cal Gabert, residential manager for Bratton Appraisal Services in Bend. "I've heard we're overvalued before, but we're still somewhat of a resort community. We have a lot to offer that isn't available in other places."
"Bend still is right now a good value," Gabert said Friday. "It's statistical analysis. I guess, if you're trying to get to the average of something, I'm not sure it tells you a whole lot on a national basis."
Still, Gabert said, "If you move to Bend, you'd better have employment figured out. A lot of retired people move here," and to Gabert's way of thinking, Bend homes are becoming more of a value all the time.
Gabert's way of thinking, Bend homes are becoming more of a value all the time.
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Just keep repeating, "Bend only goes up", "Bend never goes down".
Eventually say in 2016, Gardner Group can look back and say "I told you so".
That said, the next eight years, these realtors had better be selling their pussy online in order to eat.
"A rotting corpse becomes MORE valuable"
"A dead fish, becomes MORE valuable"
TO WHOM? FOR WHAT?
If there were a 'shortage' of Bend crap-shacks, this might be true, but we have 10-30 years of inventory in the region.
The entire ploy is to keep bringing in newbies, that simply don't fucking know what the hell is going on.
Recent article was pointing out how many years of inventory Portland had for $1.5million houses, and how outrageously big that number was.
When I saw the number I thought, man, Bend would kill for that few years of inventory.
Funny thread at Bend Economy Board...
http://bendeconomy.informe.com/attention-bratton-appraisal-dt4561.html
Who would have guessed?
Home prices in Deschutes rated as ‘overvalued’
By Andrew Moore / The Bulletin
Published: December 09. 2008 4:00AM PST
Bend, specifically Deschutes County, Atlantic City, N.J., and St. George, Utah, were the three metro areas in the nation with home prices rated “extremely overvalued” in the third quarter of 2008, according to the quarterly House Prices in America report last week from IHS Global Insight and National City Corp.
The report said single-family house prices in Bend and Atlantic City were 43 percent overvalued, while house prices in St. George were 39.7 percent overvalued.
According to the report, the figure does not imply how much house prices should fall. Rather, the figure is a valuation of what house prices should be based on household income. The report recognizes the “disparate conditions that characterize different markets” and attempts to address those variations with statistical models. Extremely overvalued markets are at risk of price declines of 10 percent or more in the future, the report says.
Wendy Adkisson, principal broker for The Garner Group in Bend, disputed the report’s findings.
“We have a quality of life that probably other areas of the country don’t have and people are willing to pay for that,” said Adkisson.
According to the report, the median house price for Deschutes County in the third quarter was $277,000. If house prices were 43 percent overvalued, the median price should be roughly $156,000, and that doesn’t make sense, said Adkisson. Citing local data from the Multiple Listing Service, she said the last time prices were at that level was the fourth quarter of 1999.
“I don’t understand where they come up with the number,” said Adkisson. “As long as I remember, they’ve always said we’re overvalued.”
In the second quarter of 2008, the report said Deschutes County homes were 46.8 percent overvalued. Deschutes County has been among the top three most-overvalued markets listed in the report since the first quarter of 2007.
The most recent Bratton Report, a monthly report on Deschutes County house prices produced locally by the Bratton Appraisal Group of Bend, put the median price for a single-family home in Bend in November at $261,000.
Adkisson said prices have unquestionably dropped — more than 25 percent since September 2006, when Bratton listed Bend’s median price at $380,000 — and as a result, would-be buyers priced out of the market in the last few years are showing interest.
Median sales prices have dropped 34 percent from Bend’s peak median price in May 2007 of $396,000, according to Bratton data.
“We’re now seeing more activity because prices are where people can afford them,” Adkisson said.
Nationally, the report said that across the 330 metropolitan statistical areas in the country, home prices are 3.8 percent undervalued. The report said the Pacific Northwest remains overvalued.
The report considers valuations of 35 percent and greater as “extremely overvalued.” In the second quarter of 2008, four markets were considered “extremely overvalued” and in the third quarter of 2007, 19 markets were considered “extremely overvalued.”
Tim Duy, an adjunct assistant professor at the University of Oregon who follows Central Oregon’s economy and produces the quarterly Central Oregon Business Index, said the Pacific Northwest is the last region in the nation to feel the impact of the nation’s bursting housing bubble.
“The challenge for (Deschutes County) is not that too many houses were built but the wrong kind,” said Duy. “Too many expensive homes (were built) relative to the income profile, and those homes are the ones that are holding up median prices and they aren’t selling, and they’re not selling because they’re overpriced, and the people who purchased them are so underwater they can’t fathom selling at the prices that would clear the market.”
Duy said he believes the report is largely correct and that the proof is a high inventory of homes. According to the Bratton Report, there was a 14-month supply of homes in Bend in November. That means at the current rate of sales, it would take 14 months to sell all the homes on the market. A six-month inventory is generally considered normal.
Larry Wilson, a mortgage broker with True North Mortgage in Bend, said he doesn’t believe the IHS Global Insight report “is necessarily flawed,” but he wonders how it can measure all of the nuances of a real estate market.
“What I believe is it’s so complicated, they can’t take everything into account,” Wilson said. “I think we’ll stay on that list forever because of the amount of people moving here that are earning income from outside the area are also the people buying more expensive houses, and people buying second homes are buying more expensive homes.”
Duy said the amount of telecommuters, in a county with a population of more than 150,000, is likely small.
In addition, Duy said a common complaint he hears about reports such as these are that they don’t take into consideration other resort areas, such as Aspen and Vail in Colorado, and Lake Tahoe in California and Nevada, which are not part of a metropolitan statistical area.
But comparing Deschutes County to those locales is not applicable, Duy said.
“Those are not the right reference points for Deschutes County (because) it’s much larger,” Duy said. “Typical tiny resort communities have very real barriers to expansion that don’t exist in a county that is generally desert, and to compare Bend with some resort communities … ignores the reality of (Deschutes County) not being a traditional resort community.”
Real estate values have appreciated dramatically over the last decade. In Deschutes County, the $277,000 median house prices listed in the IHS Global Insight report is 102 percent more than the median house price of $137,000 reported in the first quarter of 2000.
The report is online at www .nationalcity.com/main/micro-site/economics/pages/commen tary-analysis.asp.
Andrew Moore can be reached at 541-617-7820 or amoore@bendbulletin.com
Deschutes Co challenge: Moving Bend's Tweakers into Broken-TOP Homes
“The challenge for (Deschutes County) is not that too many houses were built but the wrong kind,” said Duy. “Too many expensive homes (were built) relative to the income profile, and those homes are the ones that are holding up median prices and they aren’t selling, and they’re not selling because they’re overpriced, and the people who purchased them are so underwater they can’t fathom selling at the prices that would clear the market.”
SO here we are Dec 9, 2008, .. two years ago Dec 9, 2006 90% of the people even here would have denied the above assertion by Duy, now you got the State of Oregon Economic experts telling the truth, and the BULL printing it.
Strange, very strange.
“Those are not the right reference points for Deschutes County (because) it’s much larger,” Duy said. “Typical tiny resort communities have very real barriers to expansion that don’t exist in a county that is generally desert, and to compare Bend with some resort communities … ignores the reality of (Deschutes County) not being a traditional resort community.”
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Hell yes, I'll go one step farther, Deschutes Co, isn't a 'resort', its a GARBAGE DUMP, which is why Les Schwab moved its CAMPUSSY here, and is why Suterrra makes its POISON here. This is Deschutes CO, a toxic waste dump.
Hardly a fucking resort, never fucking was a resort, except in the minds of Brooks paid HO's at the BULL 1998->2008, now that the BULL has a new Patron, aka Walmart, Bend will be positioned for what it is, a high desert labor force of tweakers, aka white-trash.
Re: ...which is why Les Schwab moved its CAMPUSSY here, and is why Suterrra makes its POISON here.
Speaking of JR, the Management Board just canceled it's meeting scheduled for tomorrow. They canceled the prior scheduled meeting as well, that for last Monday De. 10th, at the last minute. Something's up.
“The challenge for (Deschutes County) is not that too many houses were built but the wrong kind,” said Duy. “Too many expensive homes (were built) relative to the income profile, and those homes are the ones that are holding up median prices and they aren’t selling, and they’re not selling because they’re overpriced, and the people who purchased them are so underwater they can’t fathom selling at the prices that would clear the market.”
I'd agree with that. Too many 2bd/5bath 3500 square foot houses for 800k plus. Talk about fucking disfunctiontional housing.
I heard that Bill Smith spoke at a meeting this morning and he thinks this town will start to recover in 2011....not 9, not 10...2011 at the earliest.
>>I heard that Bill Smith spoke at a meeting this morning and he thinks this town will start to recover in 2011....not 9, not 10...2011 at the earliest.
That's still playing the "Bend is exceptional" game.
With the national market expected to pick up in 2012 (according to Case-Shiller futures), we should be saying Bend will pick up in 2013, since it had the peak gains in the country along with Naples Florida, and has much further to fall than most places.
Could we all gaze into bill smiths crystal ball? Events unseen or unknown could be at hand don't ya think? Could be 2020 or lets see lets all just throw out a number?How about this idea when the government injects 2 trillion into the economy and the tax payer just can't pay and we can't pay foriegn loans back? then what ? but of course while the whole country is in turmoil Bend will bounce back? This place is totally screwed unless your in health care care giving industry and at that how long will those industries lastwhen the shit totally hits the fan.Then it will be every man for himself.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26656750/site/14081545/
GM is NOT a bank-holding-company, OMG,... just when I was going to declare Bend as a bank-holding-company.
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GMAC Hasn’t Met Conditions to Convert to Bank Status
By David Mildenberg and Caroline Salas
Dec. 10 (Bloomberg) -- GMAC LLC, the auto and home lender seeking federal aid, hasn’t obtained enough capital to become a bank holding company and may abandon the effort, casting new doubt on the firm’s ability to survive.
A debt exchange by GMAC and its Residential Capital LLC mortgage unit designed to bolster the company’s finances didn’t attract enough participation, GMAC said today in a statement. That leaves GMAC short of the $30 billion in regulatory capital demanded by the Federal Reserve, and the regulator won’t approve the conversion unless the goal is met, the lender said.
“The challenge for (Deschutes County) is not that too many houses were built but the wrong kind,” said Duy. “Too many expensive homes (were built) relative to the income profile, and those homes are the ones that are holding up median prices and they aren’t selling, and they’re not selling because they’re overpriced, and the people who purchased them are so underwater they can’t fathom selling at the prices that would clear the market.”
Ah, a voice of sweet reason.
For the opposite of sweet reason, check out The Bullshittin's editorial this morning pissing on the latest Global Insight report. Basically their argument is: "It's only a manufactured statistical model, gosh darn it, and it doesn't tell you what homes here are REALLY worth."
They actually used the phrase "manufactured statistical model." What statistical model ISN'T "manufactured"?
Still pushing the Kool-Aid after all these years.
But at least they didn't say Bend is "paradise."
Duy is right -- Deschutes County is NOT a "resort community" and Bend is not a "resort town." Bend is an old timber town where the natural resource that was once the basis of the economy has been exhausted. It's trying to market itself as a recreation and lifestyle "paradise," but the problem is there are too many competitors in that market whose credentials are just as good or better. A population of 75,000 (much less 100,000 or 200,000 or half a million, as some people were predicting back in the good old bubble days) is not sustainable with an economy based on tourism and "lifestyle" marketing.
Re: Kool-aid
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Being a card-carrying internet gadfly, I find that editorial astounding. Interesting times are coming when the develper-dominated takes office nextg month.
Home prices 101
We cringed when we read the latest report claiming to know what home prices in Bend “should be.”
The price of a home is what someone will pay for it.
If you’re buying a house, you might think the price should be a lot less. And if you’re selling it, maybe it should go for more.
But the price the buyer and the seller agree on is what it’s worth. Shoulda, woulda, coulda isn’t worth beans.
And yet every three months the House Prices of America report tells us all what prices in Bend “should be, statistically speaking.”
The latest report for the third quarter of 2008 says single-family home prices in Bend were 43 percent overvalued.
What is that supposed to mean?
It means that according to a manufactured statistical model, 43 is the percentage that popped out for Bend.
“On the whole,” they explain, “this statistical model works well. It explains 76 percent of the variation in home price-to-income ratios across places and over time.”
Of course, that means that it fails to explain 24 percent of the variation.
The variables used to create the model seem reasonable. They use household population density as a proxy for scarcity of land, the conventional mortgage rate and relative income level. They also throw in a fourth number to account for less measurable influences like pollution, climate, cultural amenities, school systems and whatever else.
Bend’s number for that “whatever else” is 1.86.
That number isn’t assigned. It’s an abstraction spit out by the model that helps explain the difference between housing prices in an area and income levels. It means in Bend, with its positive number of 1.86, those other influences are much more positive than they are for Detroit, with its -2.38.
OK, assuming you’re still with us, let’s assume that this statistical model has been put together with great wisdom and care. Does it mean then that single-family homes in Bend are overvalued by 43 percent?
Nope.
Statistical models and their results, no matter how gosh-darn accurate they are, are merely measures of probability. For this model to be 100 percent certain, homes in Bend would have to be actually overvalued by 43 percent. And the only way to determine the price of homes is to actually sell them.
IHS Global Insight and National City Corp. put out the House Prices of America report for free. So you could snidely argue that’s what it’s worth, nothing.
Presumably, the report is useful to them to get the word out about their forecasting services. And it’s likely useful to a lot of other people as well as a way of assessing the strength of the overall housing market and the relative strength in different regions.
But it doesn’t tell us that home prices in Bend are 43 percent overvalued.
John, perhaps the ratio of sales versus Notices of Default, or the traditional median income vs. median home price ration would tell you something about home prices being overvalued in Bend?
Yes, John, actually selling enough homes might enable us to set a realistic median price.
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened this year, because very few are buying. And many who bought in the last 24 months are finding themselves heading towards a financial abyss, with a mortgage far larger than their home is worth.
But, hey, at least you got the comments to your articles working again.
BTW, http://bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081210/OPIN01/812100322/1050/OPIN&nav_category=
The comments are working...
File under predicting the bottom:
Foreclosure Expert Sees “Roaring Comeback” in 2009
The nation’s foreclosure hemorrhage has finally slowed — slightly, mind you — from 84,534 REO properties in October to 84,291 in November, according to the 2009 outlook from ForeclosureS.com, released Tuesday. While the decline is largely likely an artifact of a growing push to halt pending foreclosures while lenders and government officials search for solutions to the nation’s housing crisis, Alexis McGee, president at the online foreclosure investing resource says that she sees a significant decline in foreclosures as buyers return in 2009, pushing home prices up and fueling a real estate recovery.
“Recovery is underway. Affordable is back in the housing market,” says McGee. “In 2009, housing will not only recover, but we’ll see buyers leap into this market in droves, depleting our housing oversupply, and actually put higher price pressures on the market.”
That’s a pretty optimistic take, and one that stands in stark contrast to most assessments, given that well-known and respected economists including Mark Zandi at Moody’s Economy.com have suggested that the nation’s housing markets won’t be likely to see a bottom until late next year.
McGee has been preaching a brighter future for the housing market for well over a year, suggesting that investors start buying foreclosures; a cynic might suggest, of course, that she has strong self-interest in doing so.
In June of 2007, she said “the overall economy is sound, and markets will turn around,” in arguing that investors start to buy foreclosed properties. In February of this year, she suggested that investors shouldn’t “be scared off by the gloom and doom talk swirling around housing markets,” and should buy properties that were, in her eyes, on sale.
Obviously, most investors that bought in February have likely seen their investments lose money, given most regional and national home price trends this year. And as recently as November, McGee was suggesting that a drop in pre-foreclosure notices signaled a real estate bottom, rather than the more likely seasonal effect the trend has since been proven to be.
But regardless of a market that seems stubbornly unwilling to follow her predictions, McGee maintains that now is a great time for investors to buy. Low interest rates and the ability to rent out properties for positive cash flow, she says, are strong reasons to invest; of course, she also touts that investors will be able to sell their investments in late 2009 at a large profit.
Which is exactly, in our opinion, what the housing market doesn’t need right now: a swarm of investors with short-term horizons, looking to put properties on the market in late 2009, when most economists are suggesting a more organic bottom for the housing markets.
What the numbers show
ForeclosureS.com found that the number of properties repossessed by lenders following foreclosure in November is off nearly 21 percent from September’s 106,415 REO filings. “Certainly some of the drop reflects growing results of government and private efforts to keep homeowners in their homes,” said McGee, acknowledging the likely strong effect of moratorium and modification efforts.
Still, year to date, however, 12.6 of every 1,000 households nationwide have been lost to foreclosure.
The national pre-foreclosure average isn’t necessarily promising, either. Pre-foreclosures, which include notice of mortgage default and/or foreclosure auction, were up 5.57 percent in November from October’s totals, with 27.1 of every 1,000 households across the country facing some kind of foreclosure action.
McGee said pre-foreclosure numbers are likely to climb in early 2009, albeit at a much slower rate than in 2008. “Too many homeowners already are just too overextended and likely won’t seek help to work out their delinquent mortgages until after a pre-foreclosure filing against their property. That filing, it seems, is the wake-up call for many to get the help they need and sell,” she said.
“What I can tell…is that hardest hit housing markets have already hit bottom and others will follow in 2009,” she argues. “The bottom line to keep in mind: What goes down absolutely positively will go back up again.”
The only question seems to be: when? Timing, after all, is everything.
John, great minds think alike.
On the other hand:
Troubled Mortgages Near 10 Percent of Borrowers, MBA Says
Single-family residential delinquencies soared to nearly 7 percent during the third quarter, reaching 6.99 percent in the Mortgage Bankers Association’s latest delinquency survey data; that’s up 140 basis points from one year ago and 58 points from Q2 on a seasonally-adjusted basis. In other words: we continue to have a problem.
But it gets worse. That total doesn’t include loans somewhere in the process of foreclosure, which reached 2.97 percent at the end of Q3, up 22 basis points from one quarter ago and 128 basis points from one year earlier. A basis point is one one-hundredth of a percent. Taken together, then, 9.96 percent of all existing mortgage loans were delinquent or in the foreclosure process as we headed into October; and that’s despite efforts from lawmakers and others to stem the foreclosure tide.
The MBA said the the number of loans in foreclosure, as well as the seasonally-adjusted total delinquency rate, continues to be the highest in the history of the MBA survey, which goes back to 1953.
The effect of moratoria
Despite the jump in foreclosures and delinquencies, the percentage of loans on which foreclosure actions were started during Q3 actually fell one basis point to 1.07 percent, a full 29 basis points below year-ago totals. That drop is likely false hope for recovery, however, according to Jay Brinkmann, MBA’s chief economist.
“These numbers are being influenced by several factors including various moratoria on foreclosure filings and by mortgage companies holding loans in the 90+ day bucket during the modification and workout process,” he said. “Evidence of this can be seen in the large increase in loans 90 days or more past due but not yet in foreclosure.”
Indeed, the 90+day delinquency bucket rose by 45 basis points in just one quarter, the highest such increase ever recorded in the history the MBA survey, and well above the 4 basis point jump Brinkmann said would usually be expected given the rest of the data.
“While 20 states showed declines in the rate of foreclosure starts between the second and third quarters, every state showed an increase in the 90 days or more delinquent category with the exception of Alaska,” Brinkmann said.
Forced moratoria may only be suppressing foreclosures, not preventing them. It’s instructive to consider the case of Massachusetts: initial foreclosure filings in the state soared 465 percent between August to September after being much lower than normal in June, July and August. That temporary lull happened after a new law took effect in May requiring lenders to give homeowners a 90-day right to cure notice before initiating foreclosure.
Fundamental drivers move to forefront
The mortgage mess began with overbuilding, poor underwriting and incorrect credit pricing, Brinkmann said, but the jump in delinquencies now being seen has as much to do with macro-economic factors as it does with the industry’s own lax practices.
“We have not gone into past recessions with the housing market as weak as it is now,” he said, “so it is likely that much higher percentage of delinquencies caused by job losses will go to foreclosure than we have seen in the past.”
No kidding. The U.S. economy shed more than half a million jobs during November, the most in 34 years. Of course, the question remains just how much more intervention Washington wants in a troubled mortgage market, relative to more fundamental factors now affecting housing and mortgages in key markets.
The MBA said that it expects to see 2.2 million foreclosures started by the end of 2008, with more to come in 2009. “Absent a recession, the 2009 number would likely have fallen by several hundred thousand,” said Brinkmann. “But the effect of job losses and general economic deterioration make the 2009 outlook worse, particularly if mortgage problems become more widespread.”
HW will have a more in-depth look at the MBA’s delinquency numbers in a separate story.
Hmmm...almost 10% deliquent or somewhere along the line of foreclosure. Credit markets so fucked up that T-bills actually traded at a negative interest rate this week. Which is expected to cause many money market funds to also go negative.
Yep, things are going to come roaring back in 2009. Call it the "Obama factor".
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but there is a pain train coming, and it's not here yet.
Excellent article in Vanity Fair, by Joseph Stiglitz, winner of the Nobel Prize for economics in 2001. He was Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors from 1995 to 1997 for Bill Clinton. He is also the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank.
Stiglitz opposed financial industry deregulation under Clinton, fought with Larry Summers, who is now Obama's chief economic advisor, over regulating derivatives (Stiglitz wanted to, but Summers won and that wrong decision contributed to the mess we are in.)
Some of us wish Obama had chosen Stiglitz over Summers. Volcker was our consolation prize.
Some excerpts from Capitalist Fools:
There will come a moment when the most urgent threats posed by the credit crisis have eased and the larger task before us will be to chart a direction for the economic steps ahead. This will be a dangerous moment. Behind the debates over future policy is a debate over history—a debate over the causes of our current situation. The battle for the past will determine the battle for the present. So it’s crucial to get the history straight.
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In 1987 the Reagan administration decided to remove Paul Volcker as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board and appoint Alan Greenspan in his place. Volcker had done what central bankers are supposed to do. On his watch, inflation had been brought down from more than 11 percent to under 4 percent... But Volcker also understood that financial markets need to be regulated. Reagan wanted someone who did not believe any such thing, and he found in [Greenspan] a devotee of the objectivist philosopher and free-market zealot Ayn Rand...Greenspan presided over not one but two financial bubbles. After the high-tech bubble popped, in 2000–2001, he helped inflate the housing bubble. The first responsibility of a central bank should be to maintain the stability of the financial system. If banks lend on the basis of artificially high asset prices, the result can be a meltdown—as we are seeing now, and as Greenspan should have known.
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The deregulation philosophy would pay unwelcome dividends for years to come. In November 1999, Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Act—the culmination of a $300 million lobbying effort by the banking and financial-services industries, and spearheaded in Congress by Senator Phil Gramm. Glass-Steagall had long separated commercial banks (which lend money) and investment banks (which organize the sale of bonds and equities); it had been enacted in the aftermath of the Great Depression and was meant to curb the excesses of that era, including grave conflicts of interest...There were other important steps down the deregulatory path. One was the decision in April 2004 by the Securities and Exchange Commission, at a meeting attended by virtually no one and largely overlooked at the time, to allow big investment banks to increase their debt-to-capital ratio (from 12:1 to 30:1, or higher) so that they could buy more mortgage-backed securities, inflating the housing bubble in the process...As we stripped back the old regulations, we did nothing to address the new challenges posed by 21st-century markets. The most important challenge was that posed by derivatives. In 1998 the head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Brooksley Born, had called for such regulation—a concern that took on urgency after the Fed, in that same year, engineered the bailout of Long-Term Capital Management, a hedge fund whose trillion-dollar-plus failure threatened global financial markets. But Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, his deputy, Larry Summers, and Greenspan were adamant—and successful—in their opposition. Nothing was done.
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Then along came the Bush tax cuts, enacted first on June 7, 2001, with a follow-on installment two years later. The president and his advisers seemed to believe that tax cuts, especially for upper-income Americans and corporations, were a cure-all for any economic disease—the modern-day equivalent of leeches. The tax cuts played a pivotal role in shaping the background conditions of the current crisis. Because they did very little to stimulate the economy, real stimulation was left to the Fed, which took up the task with unprecedented low-interest rates and liquidity. The war in Iraq made matters worse, because it led to soaring oil prices. With America so dependent on oil imports, we had to spend several hundred billion more to purchase oil—money that otherwise would have been spent on American goods...those who speculated (read: gambled) and won were taxed more lightly than wage earners who simply worked hard. But more than that, the decision encouraged leveraging, because interest was tax-deductible. If, for instance, you borrowed a million to buy a home or took a $100,000 home-equity loan to buy stock, the interest would be fully deductible every year. Any capital gains you made were taxed lightly—and at some possibly remote day in the future.
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The incentive structure of the rating agencies also proved perverse. Agencies such as Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s are paid by the very people they are supposed to grade. As a result, they’ve had every reason to give companies high ratings, in a financial version of what college professors know as grade inflation. The rating agencies, like the investment banks that were paying them, believed in financial alchemy—that F-rated toxic mortgages could be converted into products that were safe enough to be held by commercial banks and pension funds.
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The final turning point came with the passage of a bailout package on October 3, 2008—that is, with the administration’s response to the crisis itself. We will be feeling the consequences for years to come. Both the administration and the Fed had long been driven by wishful thinking, hoping that the bad news was just a blip, and that a return to growth was just around the corner....The bailout package was like a massive transfusion to a patient suffering from internal bleeding—and nothing was being done about the source of the problem, namely all those foreclosures. [NOTE: Here I disagree, as I believe the CDS's and other opaque derivatives are a far larger problem than the failing mortgages. The numbers are magnitudes larger.]...The administration talked about confidence building, but what it delivered was actually a confidence trick. If the administration had really wanted to restore confidence in the financial system, it would have begun by addressing the underlying problems—the flawed incentive structures and the inadequate regulatory system.
Rather harsh, but an entirely believable view.
HBM,
Hell yes, ten's of thousands of 'retirees' got snookered into putting their life savings into BEND RE, thanks Brooks aka HOLLERN, boss hogg, owner da BULL.
Now all those who bought the bait that Bend was a 'resort', that just owning a home here would make you perpetually RICH, well nobody no where believes that shit now.
Well except the folks at the BULL, want you to pay NO attention to the facts, but what is new?
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Transcript of the part on CDS's of that "This American Life" I've been telling you to read or listen to (I have an MP3 of it--email me if you want it) because it is an excellent discussion of the how and why of the CDS issue:
"Now, in act two, we have one more confusing financial product that is bringing down the global economy. And one of way to think about this product is this: if bad mortgages got the financial system sick, this next thing you're about to hear about helped spread the sickness into an epidemic. These are credit default swaps. Alex explains.
Alex Blumberg: Like many parts of the financial system these days, credit default swaps are so complicated, simple bankers couldn't have created them. They were invented by people like this guy, Gregg Berman:
Gregg Berman: Actually my formal training is in physics. So I studied experimental physics and nuclear physics before joining finance in 1993.
Imagine...you buy a bond from Ford, for 100 dollars:
Gregg Berman: You’re holding the bond and you are worried about Ford’s credit. So you enter into an agreement with another party where you say to the other party, “I will pay you some money. I will pay you 2% a year, 3% a year, 4% a year. And what you need to do is give me protection. If Ford should go bankrupt, then I’m going to give you back this perhaps worthless bond and you’re going to give me my $100 back.”
In big context of things, it looks like insurance. So it sort of looks like you bought an insurance contract. And you’re paying a bit of a premium, as you would if you were buying fire insurance on your home....
Satyajit Das: I think Mae West once said it very, very well when she said, “I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.”
Alex Blumberg: This is Satyajit Das – he just calls himself Das – and he’s a risk consultant, who was around when credit default swaps first appeared. Adam and I talked to him and heard stories from his 30 years working with hedge funds and bankers all over the world, as a sort of financial hired gun. And he saw first-hand how what started as insurance, morphed into something else entirely.
Satyajit Das: In the 1990s and probably until about 2003-2004, when I was working with this stuff, I was a great advocate of this whole movement to manage risk better and so forth. I’ve spent all my life in that sort of area. But by about 2003-2004, I was starting to get very nervous. Because what I could see was that the market had gone from a very legitimate purpose to something which was much more racy and interesting, but also much more dangerous.
Adam Davidson: So these clearly had stopped being insurance somewhere along the way.
Satyajit Das: Oh, absolutely it stopped being insurance.
Adam Davidson: And it became gambling?
Satyajit Das: Well, you know, the line between investing and speculation or gambling in financial markets is always a pretty gray one. But yes.
Alex Blumberg: So, how did we get from one of the safest activities on the planet, insurance, to one of the riskiest, gambling? Well, to understand, you have to understand the key difference between a real insurance policy and a credit default swap. Here, I'll let Gregg Berman explain.
[NOTE: This italic part is key point #1]
Gregg Berman: The way that I first described the credit default swap is that, you own the bond and you’d like to transfer that risk to someone else. But what if I want to buy protection but I don’t own the bond?
Adam Davidson: Why would I want to buy protection – that’s like buying insurance for a house I don’t own.
Gregg: It is exactly like buying insurance for a house that you don’t own. So it’s like you took out fire insurance on your home, and now I also took out fire
insurance on your home, and a thousand other people took out fire insurance on your home. When that happens, what you’re doing is, you’re betting on the house.
Alex Blumberg: So did you get that?
It's like you’re using an insurance policy to make a bet. Like, let's say there's a guy named Frank, and he has a life insurance policy. When he dies, the beneficiary will get a million dollars. Now imagine a whole bunch of other people saying, “I want a million dollars if Frank dies, also.” And so they all take out insurance policies on him. And then let's say Frank starts to get sick. More people might want an insurance policy on Frank.
And the closer he gets to death, the more people buy insurance policies on Frank.
That's basically what happens in the credit default swap market.
Here's how it works. A credit default swap is what they call an over-the-counter instrument, meaning simply it's not something that's traded publicly on an exchange, like a stock. It's a private deal between two people.
Those two people can be anyone. Well, anyone with more than 5 million dollars. So that means effectively, someone at an investment bank, or a hedge fund, or a big commercial bank like Citibank or Credit Suisse. They all have credit default swap – or CDS – desks.
Alex Blumberg: So I’m sitting at a desk. At a CDS desk, right?
Satyajit Das: Yes, you’re at one of the broker-dealers or one of the major investment banks.
Alex Blumberg: And how many guys like me are there? There’s like 100? 150?
Satyajit Das: Oh no there wouldn’t be that many. There would probably be, in the bigger desks, about, say, between 15 and 30?
Alex Blumberg: Now, every day, this desk is getting thousands of e-mails and calls from people wanting to enter into credit default swap contracts. Now sometimes those people want it for insurance. They have a bond, from say, the ABC Company.
They're a little worried about the ABC Company's financial health. And so they’ll call up and say, “Will you sell me credit default swap protection? Will you promise that if ABC Company goes down, you'll guarantee the full value of their bond?” But sometimes, often in fact, the people that are calling don't actually own the bond. They just have a hunch about ABC Company.
Satyajit Das: So they want to, essentially, bet that ABC Company will default.
So he and I agree that if ABC Company defaults, I will pay him a certain amount.
And in return he pays me some fees.
Alex Blumberg: Das says that during his time in the industry, the amount of credit default swaps that were used for speculation grew to dwarf the amount that were actually used for insurance. The numbers are staggering. This is Andrew Ang, a professor at Columbia Business School, who studies the credit default swap market.
Andrew Ang: The corporate bond cash market’s approximately 5 trillion dollars, and the notional amount of CDS outstanding is approximately 60 trillion dollars. [NOTE: The US GDP is approximately $13 trillion dollars.]
Alex Blumberg: In other words, there are 5 trillion dollars worth of bonds issued in the world, but the total amount that people have bet on those bonds is 60 trillion. For every bond, there are 10 people promising to pay the full amount if the bond goes bad. Oh, and there's one more thing.
Andrew Ang: All of this is unregulated... Partly because they wanted it to be unregulated.
Alex Blumberg: One of the reasons that they wanted it to be unregulated has to do with a word you hear a lot when you talk to finance people. That word is leverage.
Here I'll show you.
Gregg Berman: When you operate on leverage...
Satyajit Das: The market had become extremely driven by its lust for leverage.
Andrew Ang: Part of the problem with these swap contracts – they actually have extraordinarily high leverage.
Alex Blumberg: See what I mean? Anyway, this is yet one more finance word out there that people who work with money, they understand instinctively. But the rest of us have only a vague notion of what it means.
And the way finance people talk about leverage has changed a little. It used to be spoken of approvingly. Now when they mention it, it's with a little more fear. That's because leverage is one of those things that when it's going your way, it's great. But when it turns on you, it's all over.
And leverage is currently wreaking havoc in the credit default swap market. Here's a very basic example of how leverage gives, and how it takes away.
[NOTE: This italic part is key point #2]
Let’s imagine I have a hedge fund with 100 million dollars. And I want to make a killing in the credit default swap market. I start calling and e-mailing to all those credit default swap desks and hedge funds out there, saying, “I'm selling protection. Who wants to buy?” Someone calls me up and says, “I have a billion dollar bond from Lehman Brothers, and I want to insure it.” I say, “Great, I'll insure your bond for two percent of its value, every year.” You say, “Fine.” And we're in business.
Now, let’s review these numbers. Two percent of a billion dollars? That’s 20 million, which I’m getting every year. My hedge fund? 100 million.
So effectively, I’ve signed one piece of paper, and in five years, I'll double my money. I'm psyched, my investors are psyched. That is the upside of leverage. I'm making profits on a billion dollars, even though I only have 100 million.
The downside of leverage is that now I’m on the hook for up to a billion dollars if their bond defaults. And I don't have a billion dollars.
In 2005, though, this particular bet – on a Lehman Brothers bond – seemed like a sure thing. The idea that Lehman Brothers, one of the oldest and largest investment banks in the world, could possibly default, seemed crazy.
In 2008, it became scarily, unbelievably real. Just ask AIG.
Now AIG, you may remember, was the big insurance company that had to be rescued by the government two weeks ago. And they had to be rescued because they were about to go bankrupt. And they were about to go bankrupt, as great reporting in the New York Times, among other places, has revealed, because of exactly this scenario.
They'd promised over $400 billion to people holding credit default swap agreements with them. Four hundred billion dollars that they didn't have.
But the fact that the biggest insurance company in the world was brought down by these unregulated securities might not even be the scariest part.
Because actually, the case of AIG is anomalous. Usually, people who traded them did something different than AIG did, something which was supposed to make them safer, but might possibly have made the whole system more dangerous. They did something called "netting."
[NOTE: This italic part is key point #3]
So let’s go back to my previous example. And let’s start with a whole new scenario. I'm the same hedge fund. I’ve got $100 million. And this time I have a hunch that Lehman Brothers is going to go down.
So I go to some company – let’s just say AIG. I go to AIG and I say I want to buy a credit default swap. I’m not selling this time. I’m buying. I say to them, “I will pay you $20 million a year.” And the deal is if Lehman goes down, you will owe me a billion dollars.
Now, over the next few months, my hunch starts to look more likely, because Lehman starts looking riskier. Their profits go down. Unfavorable news reports come out about them.
And when this happens, they become, basically, more expensive to insure. Just like the more traffic accidents you have, the higher your insurance premiums go. The sicker you look as a company, the more it costs to buy credit default swap protection against you.
And I, now, am perfectly poised to take advantage of this situation. I now go out on the market, and I sell credit default swap protection. But because people are more scared about Lehman, the price is higher. I can now sell it for 40 million dollars a year. So I'm paying 20, but taking in 40. Again, a net profit of 20 million dollars a year.
But this time, my position is what they call “hedged.” My position is totally safe. If Lehman defaults, I will owe my buyer a billion dollars, but AIG will owe me a billion dollars. The trade totally nets out.
And this situation, where every trade was matched on the other side with another trade?
That was much more common. I would sell protection to Morgan Stanley, say, but buy it from Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs would sell protection to a hedge fund, who in turn would buy from another hedge fund, and so on down the line, every party netting their position with a counterparty. Again, here's Das.
Satyajit Das: And the real problem is, that if the chain breaks down anywhere, where one party does not actually honor their contracts, then the losses multiply rapidly. It links everybody together in this unholy chain.
And so what happens is, if somebody has a problem, then everybody else has a problem.
Jon Zucker: Um, the greatest danger... That's a tough question.
Alex Blumberg: This is Jon Zucker, who worked at a credit default swap desk at a major bank for five years. He left in 2007. And he, like a lot of the people I talked to, a lot of people in this field, has a very mathematical mind. He thinks in probabilities, risk spreads, modeling potential outcomes. And if you ask him what the greatest danger is, after careful deliberation, he arrives at a conclusion, which is basically this: if everyone in the chain knew the financial stability of everyone else in the chain, then all of this would be fine. But the problem is, because every deal is private, they don't know.
Jon Zucker: You don't know. It’s far from transparent. You know, the notion is that I’m working here at a New York money center bank and some small bank in Asia goes down and suddenly it just hits the tipping point and several other banks fail, and suddenly it’s affecting me. I never had a clue.
Alex Blumberg: And this – lack of information – is causing huge problems. It's one reason credit is freezing up. Banks don't want to trade with each other because they don't know what bets anyone's made. And who they've made them with. And who those people have made them with.
And this in turn becomes one reason that the government felt it had to step in with a bailout: because all these banks are linked, through these credit default swap contracts.
If one bank goes down, they all could.
Alex Blumberg: I guess the question is, that I’m wondering about – basically I’m being affected by people doing this unregulated thing that is speculative in nature. And then things blow up, and then my tax dollars have to be used to
come in and sort of bail this out. And I’m mad.
First of all, is it fair for me to bemad? And who should I be mad at?
Jon Zucker: That’s a great line, “Is it fair for me to be mad, and who should I be mad at?” Um, is it fair for me to be mad? Um…
Alex Blumberg: In keeping with his analytical nature, Jon Zucker didn't answer this question right away. He posed hypothetical scenarios going back the Great Depression. He talked about consequences that could have been foreseen versus consequences that could not have been foreseen. But it didn't seem, at least to me, an
attempt to dodge the question so much as an attempt to formulate, right there, an objective value for my potential outrage.
Jon Zucker: I guess what's going through my head is, everybody wants to punish the people who made money in the past 10 years on this business.
Alex Blumberg: I don’t care about that! I want people to be able to make money.
I just don’t want their mistakes to cost me. And that’s all I’m asking about.
Jon Zucker: So are you asking the question, “Can I set up a system where their mistakes will never affect you?”
Alex Blumberg: Yeah.
Jon Zucker: ….
Alex Blumberg: That’s a long pause, Jon.
Jon Zucker: Yeah, I’m sorry about that.
Alex Blumberg: No, no. It’s okay. It’s okay.
Jon Zucker: Look I’m a quantitative guy. So I tend to think of the world in terms of models. And the thing that I’m trying to be even-handed about is to say that the regulators completely screwed up. There is a lot of 20/20 review, hindsight review of this, saying people should have caught all this stuff.
I’m not 100% sure of that, but one thing I do know is that in terms of intent, there was no intent to regulate. And from that point of view, they should be held accountable for some of the mistakes.
Satyajit Das: Well I think the real problem is, the only people who understand the system now are the technocrats at the banks and so forth who worked within that.
Alex Blumberg: Everyone I talked to agreed that someone, some regulator or someone in power, should have pushed to set up an exchange for credit default swaps, so they could be publicly traded like options, or commodity futures, or all these other financial terms that you've heard of but don't understand, but that as far as we know, are not out destabilizing the global economy.
Professor Andrew Ang said that since they were essentially insurance, they should be regulated like insurance, where strict requirements are set for the companies that sell it.
But everyone also seemed to think it's a complex world, and the people who invent these financial products are making small fortunes, and employ armies of people to help them, and that the regulators, in many cases people working at government central banks, at government salaries, will always be playing catch-up.
Satyajit Das: I had a – over the last few years I have had quite a lot to do with central banks. And the central bankers are all very earnest. They’re very intelligent people, and very well meaning.
But the problem is, they’ve relied heavily on the banks to tell them what’s going on. And there is obviously a conflict of interest and they have never quite got the full picture.
And often when I explain to them something quite minor, like how the CDS market works, their response is, “Oh, I thought it was only for hedging! I didn’t realize it was just purely speculative!”
So there is this information gap, which is now having to be filled at very short notice, which is obviously extremely problematic.
Adam Davidson: Can I ask you, when you think about the current global crisis, is this a credit default swap crisis? Is this a mortgage backed security crisis?
Is this something bigger than all of those and they’re just symptoms?
Satyajit Das: Oh I very definitely think all of these are just symptoms. Essentially the world just has far too much debt.
What has happened over the last 30 years is essentially the amount of debt in the financial system has exploded. And I think the problem is the amount of debt that has been created has been made extremely complicated by the financial engineers.
There will be enormous, enormous losses, which will beggar belief. When economic historians come to
write the history of this period, they will look at this and go, “My god! How did they manage to do this?” We don’t even understand the actual quantum of the problem.
Adam Davidson: You mean how big the problem is?
Satyajit Das: Correct. I mean, to give you some perspective, less than 18 months ago Ben Bernanke gave testimony to the effect that he thought the losses from sub-prime would be $50 million and the problems were contained.
And he’s not an unintelligent man.
Alex Blumberg: Right. In fact he’s an expert on the Great Depression.
Satyajit Das: Exactly, so the fact that he could get it so wrong…
That perhaps the people who think they understand and think they know perhaps know less than we think they know."
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That is the best explanation I've heard yet in understandable language about why the CDS market (and other derivatives as well, but mostly CDS's) has become a weapon of mass destruction to the world's financial system.
#1 Buying unregulated "insurance" on things other people own as a speculative investment, in an opaque market.
#2 Using maximum leverage, causing either huge wins or huge losses.
#3 Netting of trades with each other, creating a long chain that can be broken by it's weakest link.
Like I said in a comment above, the result of all this Masters of the Universe stuff is the huge pain train coming.
BTW I uploaded the whole MP3 to the juniper-ridge-info blog:
http://www.juniper-ridge.info/TAL-credit swaps.mp3
The first part explains the commercial paper market, the second is excerpted above, and the third part explains how derivatives came to be completely unregulated, by law. And a fourth part looks forward.
This is the quote that scares me, from Das: "There will be enormous, enormous losses, which will beggar belief. When economic historians come to write the history of this period, they will look at this and go, “My god! How did they manage to do this?” We don’t even understand the actual quantum of the problem.
We still don't even understabnd how big the problem is. We just keep throwing trillions of taxpayers dollars at it as bandaids.
I can see absolutely no way for this mess to come to an end, except very badly.
John, perhaps the ratio of sales versus Notices of Default, or the traditional median income vs. median home price ratio would tell you something about home prices being overvalued in Bend?
I'm sure Costa got major shit from CORA and COBA for even running a story about the Global Insight report, especially with the quotes from Duy, which were devastating -- and spot-on.
I suspect today's editorial was an attempt to invent a rationale for not running stories about the Global Insight reports in the future -- "They don't mean anything, so why report them?"
Never fear -- The Wandering Eye will continue to report them.
>>>especially with the quotes from Duy, which were devastating -- and spot-on.
It's the first time in years and years that I read something in the Bulletin regarding RE and agreed with it. I was actually amazed it made it to print. WTF kind of paper is Costa running if the lets the truth slip into reporting?
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Looks like the COBA crowd is back.
A more meaningful question for me is whether Bend can sustain its present population (over 75,000) with an economy based on tourism and selling a "lifestyle." My hunch is it can't. And we really don't have anything else to base our economy on. - hbm
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It was no accident that IG-Farben, own by Prescott Bush, own both tire factorys and pesticide factorys in Nazi Germany.
Tires & Pesticides go together. Like Bend & Dogs.
Les Schwab & Suterra will sustain our lifestyle here in Bend, while the world suffocates on Zyklon-B, Bend will rock&roll.
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Bend is special.
Bend is unique.
Bend is a resort.
Bend is Aspen.
But best of all, Bend is a retired Cali 'Valley' washed up Porn Star's mecca.
Now that Bledsoe has lost all his money on stupid fucking investments, maybe the cigar-club will go live sex acts 24/7??
Bend Homes STILL "Extremely Overvalued"
Written by H. Bruce Miller
Friday, 05 December 2008
Although the real estate boom is now only a nostalgic memory, Bend remains one of the most overvalued housing markets in the country.
That’s the word from the prestigious economic analysis and forecasting company Global Insight, which released its third-quarter report on home prices this week.
Prices have been falling all across the country, according to Global Insight’s press release, to the point where the US housing market as a whole is now undervalued by 5.7%. But the Pacific Northwest in general, and Deschutes County in particular, apparently haven’t gotten the word yet.
“While the contraction in residential real estate value is national in scope, it is most severe in the Southeast and Southwest, areas which were among the most overvalued in the country three years ago,” the press release says. “According to the third-quarter analysis, extreme overvaluation is now ‘essentially nonexistent’ - only three metro areas met the definition of extreme overvaluation, down from a peak of 52 metro areas in 2005. Only the Pacific Northwest remains overvalued.”
The three “extremely overvalued” areas are Atlantic City, NJ, St. George, UT and good ol’ Bend, OR.
Bend's current median household income is about $56,000 and the median home price is $292,000, according to the GoBend Realty site. Using the rule of thumb that a family can afford a home that costs three times its income, the median price in Bend should be in the neighborhood of $168,000.
Why are home prices staying so inflated in Bend even though virtually nothing is selling? The only explanation The Eye can think of is that a lot of people here haven’t yet figured out that the bubble has burst and are still pricing their homes unrealistically high. They're still dreaming that some rich Californian will show up and pay half a million dollars for their $150,000 house.
A bit less of that famous Bend smiley-face optimism and a bit more healthy realism might help us get out of this mess sooner.
Re: A bit less of that famous Bend smiley-face optimism and a bit more healthy realism might help us get out of this mess sooner.
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The first toe was stuck under the tent with those Duy comments.
But what happens when the COBA crew is sworn onto the City Council in a few weeks?
HB has a point about how that editorial was the first shot meant to bring any sense of reality down.
Dec. 10 (Bloomberg) -- The biggest slump in U.S. consumer spending since 1942 will extend the recession and push the jobless rate to the highest level in a quarter century, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.
Household spending will drop 1 percent in 2009, the biggest decline since after the attack on Pearl Harbor, according to the median estimate of 51 economists surveyed Dec. 4 through Dec. 9. By the middle of next year, the economy will have shrunk for a record four consecutive quarters, the survey showed...“The big problem is that there’s no bottom in sight for consumers and for businesses,” said John Lonski, chief economist at Moody’s Capital Markets Group in New York. “The negative sentiment makes it difficult to stabilize the situation. It’s very worrisome.”
The happy faces are all used up for now.
"A tourism slowdown hasn’t helped. Bend has experienced an 8.1 percent drop in room-tax collections since July 1 compared with the same period in 2007, according to data from Visit Bend, which promotes tourism for the city."
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081210/NEWS0107/812100365/1004/NEWS01&nav_category=NEWS01
Property tax collections are down 5% as well, although I don't have the link handy.
"But what happens when the COBA crew is sworn onto the City Council in a few weeks?"
"The best thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is DIG DEEPER! Let's bring 100,000 more acres inside the UGB and cover it with a million more overpriced crapshacks! The city can give the builders no-interest loans to construct 'em! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
It means that according to a manufactured statistical model, 43 is the percentage that popped out for Bend.
Yeah, and "18" is the age that POPPED OUT for STATUTORY RAPE. Why is THE SAME CHICK illegal at 11:59PM and 100% LEGAL at 12:01AM?
Why? Cuz you gotta call it at some point. You gotta have a number. I agree "43%" probably IS NOT correct to the 9th decimal point... but what the fuck else you got?
They use consistent methodology. You're just fucking pissed cuz the methodology is making you POOR. SOUR GRAPES is all this is.
The fucking dumbest part of this whole arguing over whether 43% is accurate is: IT DOESN'T MATTER. I don't give a rats ass if it's 43% overvalued, 93% overvalued, or 20% overvalued. We all KNOW it's overvalued or we wouldn't have 25 months of inventory. It's not like everything is hunky-dory clipping along at 6 month's inventory and they keep yelling "it's overpriced." That was 2005, 2006, 2007. Maybe you could have had this argument then, taken the side that we weren't overpriced and not been laughed at by 65% of the population of Bend. Of course you would have been wrong then, and you are wrong now.
Damn HBM, layin' it on Bubble Burster Style with that article.
It's amazing that we have to still convince some......
File under DUH!:
Americans Oppose Bonuses for Wall Street Bailout Beneficiaries
http://tinyurl.com/6nwrf8
The most amazing sale on stainless steel chinese finger traps.
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These aren't the finger-traps we played with as kids. These are Downtown Bend finger-traps. Bend City-Hall; REHO finger-traps.
No splinters from there traps.
This is the place to shop for all your Bend toys. Dunc looking for new product to weather the recession, here it be.
It goes well with the BIG tits, BIG dicks, BIG suv's, ... all that is BIG BEND.
Since 2004 National City has been calling Bend-OR the most over-valued shit hole in the nation.
Now its news? Fucking why? Why??
If anything their methodology is ever more fine tuned than it was four years ago, then it was a good thing, over-valued meant that the PR&MARKETING by COVA/CORA funded by BEND taxpayer was working.
Now that we're still over-valued and holding, it means that the PR&MARKETING is still working; I think the folks at COVA fear not of a budget loss. Hell its just behind Deschutes Brewery, next time your there, just drop in thank them for keeping up the value of Bend, in spite of their being no sales, and only NOD's & foreclosures.
Bend will eventually implode, and the bellwether is COVA,CORA,COBA,... watch these COxx's. BP is right with a 100% COVA admin coming to rule BEND is a few weeks it should be interesting what they pull out of their ass.
Trouble as we all know, that its 2012 for end of resets, and then toss in BEND lag of two years, so how in the hell can these dumb-nuts keep the PR&MARKETING going for another six years???
Shit in 2012 National City is going to be calling Bend the most over-valued, and Bend will be a ghost town.
Like I have always said here, watch Brooks, Compass, Smith(OleMill); the big boyz. When Brooks starts doing the BK, and you see that nice little COVA building with plywood, then you know its over. Today COVA is spending money, and looking good like it was 2004.
Six more year of BULL.
HBM is still a voice in the wilderness, all go over to his SORE site and read the comments from his post above and you'll see that HBM caught hell for writing this vanilla-milla article.
We're only in 2008, just at the fucking beginning of the GREAT BEND RECESSION. The deflation of the GREAT BEND RE bubble.
Six long years, and maybe by 2018, we'll see familiar values again.
I still say by 2018 we'll be back to +$240k medians, because of inflation. You simply cannot print +$20TRILLION FED-NOTES, and not expect inflation.
Did you all see in yesterdays WSJ that the FED is now going to be writing its own BOND's??? and bypassing the treasury!!! Even though the FED has NO authority going back to 1917 to even write bonds. The FED is now the government in itself. It's a new world order power grab.
The trouble is a FED-NOTE backed by the full faith of the US government like a US treasury bond?? We'll just have to wait & see, one thing is for certain, the FED will print lots of paper.
Lastly, I don't know if you all saw, but WALMART, COSTCO, all the big boyz, ... all their DEBT is being called in 2009, debt to build all these stores, and there is no NEW money, so its going to be over next year, all the building, ...
The layoffs next year will make xmas-2008 look like full employment.
Bulletin sounds glum today. No road funds, so some roads may revert to gravel. Bend office depot shutting down. Central Oregon car sellers in distress. Christmas Trees being dropped in price.
>> HBM is still a voice in the wilderness, all go over to his SORE site and read the comments from his post above and you'll see that HBM caught hell for writing this vanilla-milla article.
No doubt....I had to double check the post on tsweekly.com to make sure it wasn't a "creation"!
Let's see if I'm correct, at the beginning of 2008, I predicted layoff's at the BULL by xmas of 2008.
Anybody hear anything? How about you HBM.
Ok, I know they got the $5M for the land that HOLLERN gave them for free, and the city just gave them $5M for it, so that tides them over for how long? Also the company that owns the BULL owns a dozen PNW small papers, they all got to be bleeding.
Why even bother having HQ in Bend?
How is the SORE doing financially?
Yes, watch Walmart, Fred-Meyer, the auto, real estate, all traditionally the largest players in advertising. Our printed press, most of it will not survive, just a few months ago Christian-Science-Monitor went to 100% INTERNET only a smart move, if you want to survive.
>> HBM is still a voice in the wilderness, all go over to his SORE site and read the comments from his post above and you'll see that HBM caught hell for writing this vanilla-milla article.
No doubt....I had to double check the post on tsweekly.com to make sure it wasn't a "creation"!
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The good news is that 80% of Bend is still PUG. That the PUG's don't read the SORE online or printed. That means that less than 1% of 'BEND' even see's the HBM story. Wilderness, ... its going to be a long time.
Note that even now the big REHO's in BEND are still saying RE will come back in 2009.
We here all know that the bleeding can't continue forever. There is no NEW money in Bend, no jobs, MTG's continue to reset, so many of these people assumed they could take out HELOC's forever on their retirement as Bend always appreciates 25%/yr APR, always has always will.
2007 was the end of HELOC, and 2008 is the end of the credit-card,
2009 is when in BEND to quote BUFFEEETTT that we get to see who in BEND is naked, cuz the tide is going to go out.
Even the Deschutes Brewpub is sad these days, the other day there one of the main bar-tenders for years told me that he can't even pay his MTG anymore on the tips that he gets. These guys used to get $100's a night, on a good night $500. Now its zilch.
I'm just mentioning this because Deschutes is the beacon of Bend when it comes to biz downtown.
The other good news is the place across the street from Deschutes, was most recently the Grove, is to open soon with Las Vegas 'Cage Acts', thus there is a whole new spirit coming to Bend night life.
I'm watching the craigs-list 'erotic services' closely for an improvement in pic's.
Bulletin sounds glum today. No road funds, so some roads may revert to gravel. Bend office depot shutting down. Central Oregon car sellers in distress. Christmas Trees being dropped in price.
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Sounds like time to call in "COVA-MAN".
it's a bird, its a plane, ... NO its COVA-MAN able to sell tall bend buildings, ... Faster than a Bend REHO, able to appreciate Bend RE 25%/yr, ...
Where the fuck is COVA-MAN???
Yes, why in the fuck would anyone pay more than $5 for an xmas tree, when you can just go out of town up skyline or century and nab one??
Even legal USFS fee is like $5. If they catch you they generally just take the bounty. The USFS in Bend has collected 100's of cords of fire wood this year all split, and nice, just buy stopping guys coming down the hill without a permit.
Want deals on xmas trees or fire-wood? Visit the Forest Service.
Another thing I noticed in the past few months, was garbage bags every where of DEER carcases, I mean all you got to do is dump the shit in the garbage if you have a tag. Notably a TON of fucking poaching went on this fall, no other way to account for all the fucking black trash bags of deer rot.
Tossed off the trails all over the perimeter of town.
>The good news is that 80% of Bend is still PUG.
The good news is that Bend is 70% DEM even though Deschutes County is still 51% PUG.
Portland Housing Blog is noticing our stats:
http://portlandhousing.blogspot.com/2008/12/bend-real-estate-continues-freefall.html
Although I wouldn't call the pricing a freefall, yet. Just the sales numbers.
Note that our median price is still five times median income in the last chart in that post.
That is simply not sustainable, no matter how great Tetherow is.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/12/road_to_ruin_happy_valley_stre.html
What street is this in Bend?
Hollygrape? Buck Canyon?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Happy+Valley+Oregon&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS224US224&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title
New Portland according to Google Maps.
With Google Maps street view you can see the houses in these neighborhoods.
Gems like http://tinyurl.com/6mly5o
Nice garage. What's that thing in the back? oh.. there's a house there? huh.
Looks like an entire town of Skyliner Summit.
Hey,
We have $10 Christmas trees in Portland. And Tillamook Forest's firewood permits went quick.
Haven't seen the deer/elk guts yet, but I'm sure I will.
Let's see if I'm correct, at the beginning of 2008, I predicted layoff's at the BULL by xmas of 2008. Anybody hear anything? How about you HBM.
Not yet. Wouldn't surprise me though. Newspapers all over the country are struggling just to stay alive. No matter how much Costa brags about The Bull's ever-increasing circulation I'm sure ad revenue is way down. Paper is getting mighty skinny.
If Costa runs true to form he'll hand out the pink slips on Christmas Eve.
I beg to differ with you FUCKING GAD=DAMN KUNTS, but teh fucking MEDIAN income or aveage, as median don't mean SHEET, ...
The median income in BEND is closer to $25K, .. and that mean that median home prices should be under $100k.
Just telling hte fucking troooth.
One last note to the ERRRUIDTE of BEND-ORYGUN.
Tonight is the ONE year anniversary of SUMMIT-SALOON 8pm til close cheap booze, and Moon MTN Ramblers and free booze for pussy....
The good news is that Bend is 70% DEM even though Deschutes County is still 51% PUG.
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Even at best in some precincts perhaps 60% voted OREO, but the fact is THIS AREA is still PUG and they don't read the liberal SORE.
Just a fact.
Talking about the OREO, I think long ago I talked about CHICAGO corruption, now they're blaming the governors wife for his 'greed', but lets not forget that the governor was placed by the OREO himself, and lets not forget that Jackson wanted the OREO's balls.
That Son of Jackson was to BUY the OREO Senate seat would explain how Jackson learned to love the OREO.
The good news is that Bend is 70% DEM
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I dont' think so, but look at it this way, over 50% of the AREA is PUG, but even a DUMB FUCKING COSTA PUG, has to know that the PUG brand is FUCKED.
So they all vote for the OREO out of disgust, but they still be PUGS deep at heart.
The point is PUGS in Bend have never read the fucking SORE.
PUG's have always been, and always will be the MAJORITY in BEND.
It's cuz the MAJORITY of BEND be Tards.
If Costa runs true to form he'll hand out the pink slips on Christmas Eve.
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I completely agree, the GRINCH that stole Bend.
Man people in Bend are angry, today I was around downtown and talking to people I know, and anger everywhere.
The normal start was ... "I bought two years ago, and I'm $100k underwater, and I'm out of this town"...
These people really think that losing $100k is the end of the fucking world?? They spent $600k for their BT mcMansion, when this bitch clears they'll get $150k, which is $450K hose.
It's not even FUNNY anymore, I have a new NEW-YEAR's resolution, when I got to the D&D I don't talk about Real Estate with anyone.
My normal open is "Must be nice to be drinking at 3pm in BEND", ... but now its like they want to kill you, I mean it used to be a badge of pride to be at the D&D at 3pm, now its like they got no where else to go.
One thing is FUCKING CLEAR, and that is THEY'RE ALL LEAVING.
NOBODY I talk to is staying, they all got tons of reason why they came, but they all know they're leaving.
Hello sub $100k medians and SOON.
Yeah, and that anger is making me a little nervous. People I know who used to be all smiles are suddenly all furrowed brows.
And now Linda johnson is going to run cascade buisness group all by herself?Who is going to count the votes in the back room now?Does she have the balls that bill had?
Good mabe us oregonians will get our town back.Those boomers can get the fuck out and good ridence they dont know how to ride the bad times out like us old timers. We just have paid everything off and are conservative. Born and raised here and fuck the calis and their arrogant ways. What goes around comes around.
Even at best in some precincts perhaps 60% voted OREO, but the fact is THIS AREA is still PUG and they don't read the liberal SORE.
Just a fact.
Never take anything Fuckhead says as fact to be fact.
Fact: There are 20 precincts in Bend.
Fact: 15 of the 20 went for Obama.
Fact: Obama's largest margin of victory was 51% (75% of the votes) in two precincts.
Fact: McCain's largest margin of victory was 17 (58% of the votes)
Fact: Obama had 6 precincts that were a larger percent than McCain's best one.
Fact: The average margin of victory in Bend for Obama was 14.5%
The following margins are actual. To figure the percentage victory I calculated it with 99% of the votes as there were votes in the county for neither.
D1 : Margin 51 : 75% Obama
D4 : Margin 51 : 75% Obama
D27 : Margin 46 : 72.5% Obama
D7 : Margin 41 : 70% Obama
D32 : Margin 28 : 63.5% Obama
D8 : Margin 23 : 61% Obama
D9 : Margin 14 : 56.5% Obama
D11 : Margin 14 : 56.5% Obama
D47 : Margin 13 : 56% Obama
D25 : Margin 12 : 55.5% Obama
D46 : Margin 11 : 55% Obama
D6 : Margin 10 : 54.5% Obama
D5 : Margin 9 : 54% Obama
D26 : Margin 1 : 50.5% Obama
D34 : Margin 1 : 50.5% Obama
D35 : Margin 0.5 : 50% McCain
D20 : Margin 2 : 51% McCain
D33 : Margin 3 : 51% McCain
D44 : Margin 4 : 51.5% McCain
D3 : Margin 10 : 54.5% McCain
D2 : Margin 17 : 58% McCain
Fact: Bend is severely dem
Fact: Deschutes County is Pug, but it's not because of Bend.
Fact: Fuckhead makes shit up
Fuckhead will not admit he is wrong, and he usually is.
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081130/NEWS0107/811300301/1008/NEWS01&nav_category=NEWS01
Download the PDF, and look at the margins.
My bad I missed counting one of the precincts in the list.
21 precincts.
15 Obama
6 McCain
13.75% avg victory.
>> That Son of Jackson was to BUY the OREO Senate seat would explain how Jackson learned to love the OREO.
I believe the phrase was "cut his nut out". Well, if this is a take down (a Spitzer we call it), orchestrated by Obama, then it really is like cutting Jackson Sr's nuts out....neutering his offspring's political career.
Payback's a bitch!
>> My normal open is "Must be nice to be drinking at 3pm in BEND", ... but now its like they want to kill you, I mean it used to be a badge of pride to be at the D&D at 3pm, now its like they got no where else to go.
You make me laugh so hard sometimes. Funny shit man!
>> Good mabe us oregonians will get our town back.Those boomers can get the fuck out and good ridence they dont know how to ride the bad times out like us old timers. We just have paid everything off and are conservative. Born and raised here and fuck the calis and their arrogant ways. What goes around comes around.
Welcome my friend!
>Even at best in some precincts perhaps 60% voted OREO,
So.... 6 Bend precincts voted more than 60% OREO, while 0 (zero, none, nada) voted more than 60% McSame?
Buster... you got pwned.
Bend is PUG, always been PUG, always will be PUG.
The fact that is deschutes co, voted for palin over OREO by 300 mea-culpa'.
A majority.
Fact.
NEAR ENDLESS ATTEMPTS TO SHUTDOWN UNSAVORY FREE-SPEECH RE BLOGS.
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Where HOMER? Where?
Free speech really? So long as google keeps giving us server space for free.
There is no such thing as 'free speech'.
Everything has a price.
We just have paid everything off and are conservative.
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I just pissed all over the couch, and I feel liberal.
Fact: Fuckhead makes shit up
Fuckhead will not admit he is wrong, and he usually is.
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Yes, ME FUCK-HEAD you JANE. Me always call you JANE.
OK, JANE, ... Palin won the OREO by 300 pts in Deschutes Co, Palin won by a majority of 300 votes.
BEND be a PUG town, always has always will.
ME WANT TO FUCK JANE IN MOUTH.
Well, Bend will be pug again when the Portlanders and Californians leave.
"The median income in BEND is closer to $25K, .. and that mean that median home prices should be under $100k."
I don't think there are any places outside of Appalachia where you can buy a home for under $100K.
$25K is the median PER CAPITA income. The rule of thumb is that a family can afford a house priced at three times its HOUSEHOLD income. Median household income here is around $56K. Hence we should be seeing a median home price of around $168K.
No, actually, there are lots of midwest cities (the smaller ones) where medians are around $95k.
It's all going to depend on how bad Bend's economy gets.
Median household income here is around $56K.
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For a family, but most people here ain't a family. Bend was always two jobs before you moved here HBM. It's going back to that.
"The median income for a household in the city was $40,857, and in 2006 the median income for a family of four is $58,800"
Your 4 is a rare bird in BEND, its more typical to have ONE wage earner. Also if you haven't noticed we got +10% unemployment, and that's just those looking for jobs, lots of people worked under-the-table here, so they don't count.
Wages will go down, ALL the restaurants were empty last night, everything now closes early.
Another thing like our homes the 'median wage' don't mean shit, because our few rich people skew that statistic.
25 years ago the income was like $30k, and today its $40k, and dropping, I agree that fair pricing is 3-4X of income, trouble is INCOME is BEND.
Regarding $100k, I'm sure right now today, you can find STD's in Priny,Madras,Redmond,... for under $100k,
Bend ain't white, and ...
The racial makeup of the city is 93.98% White, 0.28% African American, 0.79% Native American, 1.00% Asian, 0.08% Pacific Islander, 1.75% from other races, and 2.12% from two or more races. Hispanics or Latinos 4%.
BEND IS ASPEN
The median income for a household in the city was $40,857, and in 2006 the median income for a family of four is $58,800.
[ The $58k figure gets tossed a lot, but its a dinosaur in Bend ]
Males had a median income of $33,377 versus $25,094 for females.
[ These are the figures that count. ]
The per capita income for the city was $21,624.
[ This is the INCOME that really matters in Bend, multiply this by your 3X. ]
About 6.9% of families and 10.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 13.8% of those under age 18 and 5.8% of those age 65 or over.
Much of Bend's rapid growth in recent years is also due to its attraction as a retirement destination.
In 2005, Bend's economic profile comprised five industry categories: tourism (7,772 jobs); healthcare and social services (6,062 jobs); professional, scientific and technical services (1,893 jobs); wood products manufacturing (1,798 jobs); and recreation and transportation equipment (1,065 jobs).
Much of Bend's rapid growth in recent years is also due to its attraction as a retirement destination.
>OK, JANE, ... Palin won the OREO by 300 pts in Deschutes Co, Palin won by a majority of 300 votes.
What's funny is the night after the election, when early returns were showing a county wide win for Obama, this is what Buster said:
It's interesting, but doesn't have the fine grain detail of what the nut-cases in BEND are doing.
Perhaps somebody here knows how to get the county to show us the vote by a smaller grain than county. My bet is still that the majority of BEND voted for Palin. Last time I looked it was within 1% for county.
I find the burb's around Sisters far more liberal than Bend. Those country folk, that bought all those $1M hobby-farms were trying to get away from the city.
Those that came to Bend from 1998 to present were all Calis from Suburbs of Sacram, & Orange-Co ( Pug Country ) they came to Bend to get rich, and like the 'lava' analysis shows those kind of folks vote PUG.
So, when it looked like Deshutes went Dem, Buster was saying he meant BEND. Now that BEND has been shown to be Dem, he says he means DESCHUTES.
CAVEMAN NO WRONG. CAVEMAN ANGRY.
It's all going to depend on how bad Bend's economy gets.
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That's like saying its going to get shitty unless someone flushes the toilet, well yes.
But lets be HONEST what BEND is, is retirement. Tourists come here to look at geezers.
Geezers wait to die, and are serviced by st-charles.
With the geezer pension down 1/2 ( stock market ) loss, and the 401k gone, and the crap-shack under-water several $100k and dropping, ...
So tourism is fucked during a depression, unless OUR Walmarts, kmarts, costcos, and lowes, ... have some amazing sales that draws calis here.
55+ geezers came here to 'retiree', .e.g. to get rich quick on the boom, now they're 'stuck', under-water, and broke.
Who will bail out BEND's geezers. That is the real question TT.
Every FUCKING downtown biz is dying. Even at the Summit last night for their anniversary party it was clear, that they're NOT going to make it.
Deschutes is NOT doing well. Everything in BEND is now dead.
Let's see in 2+ weeks with the snow if things pick up. It's the locals that bought ski-passes, but that's not NEW money for MT-B, its money they already spent.
What is the BEND economy? Tourism, and Geeezer's waiting to die, that are broke. Tourists ain't going to want and come to see this. Is the city now going to hide its geezers the way it hid its red-necks??
Who are these fucking TOURISTS? A fortune dumped on Asia,... MT-B marketed as the best place in the world to hang-out, cuz what else is there to do in BEND. A fucking town that dies after 8pm, unless there is a fucking 'event'.
Palin won the OREO by 300 pts in Deschutes Co, Palin won by a majority of 300 votes.
It will always be true.
In 2000 Desch-CO voted PUG, in 2004 they voted PUG, and in 2008 they voted PUG-PALIN.
Why the sour grapes??
In Deschutes CO, PUGS win elections, and real estate always goes down.
JANE,
What part of 'Deschutes CO' is BEND, don't you understand??
On Nov 4, 2008 the area voted in MAJORITY for PALIN over the OREO.
End of story.
Jane,
There is probably a google of homeless living in Drake Park, that if asks, "Would you have voted PUG", and the majority would say NO, does this make BEND LIBERAL??
The fact is you have to look at an election, and east of the CASCADES folks vote PUG, always have, and always will.
It's doesn't really matter that somewhere in BEND is a closet of liberal's hiding, maybe next time they should go out and vote.
Everyone in Bend is rich & famous, and voted liberal ...
* Shannon Bex, member of the musical group Danity Kane
* Drew Bledsoe, NFL quarterback[27]
* Pat Cashman, Comedian, television and radio personality
* John Chambers, CEO of Cisco Corporation is a part-time resident
* Adam Craig, professional mountain bike racer and Olympian
* Ryan Trebon, professional mountain bike and cyclocross racer
* Jon Fogarty,[citation needed] professional race car driver currently with GAINSCO/Bob Stallings Racing
* Jere Gillis, former NHL player
* Kent Couch, lawnchair balloonist
* Chris Horner, ProTour road cyclist currently riding for Astana
* Steve House, mountain climber, first non-European winner of Piolet d'Or Award
* Stan Humphries, former NFL quarterback
* Dave Hunt, founder of The Berean Call ministry
* Jason Keep, basketball player
* Phil Knight, former CEO of Nike is a seasonal resident
* Ryan Longwell, NFL place kicker[27]
* Gerry Lopez, Hawaiian surfing legend
* Paul Phillips, Professional poker player
* Beckie Scott, 2002 Olympic gold medalist in cross country skiing
* David Stoliar, sole survivor of an attack on the Struma, a ship carrying Jewish refugees from the Holocaust
* Conrad Stoltz, three-time World Xterra off-road triathlon champion
* Mickey Tettleton, former Major League Baseball player
* Andy Tillman, llama rancher, businessman, and author
* Gary Zimmerman, NFL Player, inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame in 2008
"The per capita income for the city was $21,624. This is the INCOME that really matters in Bend, multiply this by your 3X."
Of course the per capita is the total income divided by the total population; it includes children and 90-year-olds in nursing homes. Those population cohorts ordinarily do not buy houses.
The per capita income is meaningless; the household median is the number that matters. And if you think you're ever going to see $66,000 houses in Bend you're just as delusional as those who think the bubble is going to reinflate.
Anon 8:51: Funny how almost all of those people are jocks.
JANE,
What part of 'Deschutes CO' is BEND, don't you understand??
On Nov 4, 2008 the area voted in MAJORITY for PALIN over the OREO.
End of story.
BEND is the part of Deschutes county that voted dem.
A carrot is a vegetable, but not all vegetables are carrots.
Bend is in Deschutes county, but not all of Deschutes county is Bend.
Carrots are orange, but not all vegetables are orange, or even a majority.
See, the thing is, you might think I'm bringing this up because I give a shit one way or the other. I don't.
What I do care about is making sure all Newbies realize that whenever Buster throws numbers out they are made up.
Sometimes Buster has something to say that is right - a broken clock is right twice a day.
Generally you should take nothing Buster says as fact.
Buster is concerned about NOFOLLOW. That means he is really concerned about this being found by Newbies. Newbies from out of the area don't know that when Buster says "Bend" he means "Deschutes County," so for the sake of newbies we have to have this same fucking discussion every time. It's for the newbies that Buster wants to attract. We could stop having this discussion if Buster would just say what he means.
He's the fucking idiot kid in the class that keeps making the teacher stop to correct him. Class would be so much better and everyone would learn more if he would just say what he means.
Bend is Dem. Deschutes is Pug. Sister is Pug. LaPine is Pug. Redmond is Pug. Sunriver is Pug. Alfalfa is Pug. Millican is Pug. Brothers is Pug. Hampton is Pug. Terrebonne is Pug. Black Butte Ranch went ever so slightly Dem.
Lets stop having this conversation.
Buster is concerned about NOFOLLOW. That means he is really concerned about this being found by Newbies.
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And there it is. You see Buster NEEDS newbies. They need to be early 20's, have 800 fico scores, have lots of cash to put in down payments, have a great relationship with a bank to get 4.00% loans and then buy up all of the Westside houses of people with lots of equity for prices below foreclosure rates. I'll go out on a limb and suggest Buster can't swim and he's underwater. And he's not so good at math either.
And he's not so good at math either.
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But god damn is he a story teller. That's why I think he cares about the nofollow. He's trying to write a fictional tale and he wants free publicity.
"No, actually, there are lots of midwest cities (the smaller ones) where medians are around $95k."
This is exactly right. You can buy a helluva lot of house for $150,000. Huge yard, full basement, lots of storage, etc. And these are in nice safe small towns.
The issue, of course, is that there aren't always a lot of good employment in these areas. All the younger people are moving to cities like Chicago or Minneapolis.
By the way, in Oregon even the farmland is vastly overpriced. We're talking $5000 an acre for non-irrigated land that gets $100 per acre cash rent per year.
This is like a 2% return on your investment. And this land is zoned Exclusive Farm Use, so it's not like you're going to be able to develop it anytime soon.
Anyone familiar with farmland know why Exclusive Farm Use land brings such outrageous prices? Given that the returns are so low?
It's probably futile to do pop psychology on Buster, but it seems that the whole "Bend/Deschutes is Republican" thing is some sort of DEFENSE MECHANISM.
It's kind of like saying "I'm an idiot" while hoping that it's not actually true.
The new City Council is showing their concern:
Councilors-elect hear concerns, wishes of Bend business leaders
A proliferation of red tape at City Hall, rising development fees and a suggestion for a local sales tax on tourist facilities were just some of the issues and ideas discussed at an economic forum held Thursday afternoon by three of Bend’s newly elected city councilors.
Jeff Eager, Kathie Eckman and Tom Greene — who all will be sworn in Jan. 5 — heard from roughly 40 local business leaders at the event. Jodie Barram, who also will be sworn in next month, was invited to the forum but couldn’t attend due to a scheduling conflict, she said.
“All three of us know the local economic situation is a major issue, and we want to hear what your take is on the local economy and what can be done at the city level to make sure our economy is as good as can be,” Eager said upon opening the meeting.
Kim Ward, a Bend developer, kicked things off by presenting each of the councilors with a box of Excedrin and a yellow legal pad.
He then discussed recent trouble he’s faced with city staff over a sewer problem his development is facing and how an often “combative” culture at City Hall needs to change.
Jerome Daniel, who owns and operates Daniel Family Funeral, asked the councilors-elect to be leery of any attempt to fund the city’s bus system with any sort of new payroll tax.
Patrick Oliver, a member of the city’s planning commission as well as the principal of the Oliver Commercial Group, which built the Franklin Crossing building in downtown Bend, asked the councilors-elect to review the cost and scope of some of the city’s development codes.
“I couldn’t build Franklin Crossing today with some of the fees in place now,” said Oliver, citing a roughly $2.2 million parking fee that would be assessed by the city today if he built the same development.
“No one can afford to develop downtown given what the fees are,” Oliver said. “You will shut down development.”
Addressing the councilors-elect, Oliver said the city is struggling with a lack of leadership but that he believes Eric King is doing a “great job” as city manager.
“We want to help Eric and you, and we don’t want to tear down the city, because we live here, but we’ve felt a certain level of frustration of the last five years that needs to change,” Oliver said.
Frustration with city policy, especially development codes and the cost of building permits, was a common theme at Thursday’s meeting, and the councilors-elect mostly spent the meeting’s allotted two hours listening and taking notes.
Afterward, Greene, a real estate agent, said he was thankful for the dialogue and hopes the new council can make “common sense” a hallmark of the city’s administration.
“If a licensed engineer submits plans to the city for review, why are city staff tearing those plans apart?” asked Greene. “We need common sense.”
Eager, an attorney, said the meeting was called to help the councilors-elect understand what economic barriers local businesses are facing and hear ideas about what the city can do to facilitate economic development. Eager said the councilors-elect want to hear from all advocates on the issues facing Bend but decided to concentrate for now on the local economy.
“We don’t have anything scheduled with other groups, but we wanted to prioritize (meeting with local business leaders) because of the worsening economic situation locally — and creating jobs is at the top of our priority list,” Eager said.
Sam Shaw, the owner of Outback Manufacturing, said his business is running out of room but can’t expand due to the lack of affordable industrial land in the city. Shaw said the land shortage has unreasonably pushed up land prices, and he hopes the new councilors do what they can to either push Juniper Ridge forward or bring new industrial land into the city.
Patrick MacCrone, the owner of Verona Signpost, put some of the councilors-elect on the spot when he asked them to consider a sales tax. MacCrone said the tax could be targeted at tourism-related businesses and go a long way to help reduce the city’s financial burdens.
“People here are talking about exorbitant permitting fees, system development charges. ... Why hasn’t a sales tax been brought up?” asked MacCrone. “It seems like a common-sense thing.”
Greene said he was intrigued; Eckman said a sales tax would be “political suicide.”
For attendee Paul Imwalle, the owner of I & J Carpets in Bend, the fact the councilors-elect decided to hold the meeting was impressive, he said.
“I commend you for calling us together and having the guts to listen,” Imwalle said. “You don’t hear a lot about public servants serving the public anymore, so I say, ‘Thanks.’”
So, someone tell me how so much development happened over the last five years in the face of such an apparently hostile development environment?
If those new counsilors don't shut up I'm going to get a tummy ache.
>>>Kim Ward, a Bend developer, kicked things off by presenting each of the councilors with a box of Excedrin and a yellow legal pad.
He then discussed recent trouble he’s faced with city staff over a sewer problem his development is facing and how an often “combative” culture at City Hall needs to change.
Holy shitola. That is about the funniest quote I've read in a long time. Kim Ward calling someone "combative"? It's pretty much a whore reading in the tabloids that Madonna is getting divorced and calling her a slut.
Maybe someone needs to buy them all this book for Christmas:
Managing Without Growth – Slower by Design, not Disaster
The Slow Home Report on the above book
"On Nov 4, 2008 the area voted in MAJORITY for PALIN over the OREO."
incorrect. mccain won with 49% in the county, not a majority. documented fact.
Palin won a majority of the vote in Deschutes CO by 300 votes, how come our JANE just will not admit to truth??
Anyone familiar with farmland know why Exclusive Farm Use land brings such outrageous prices? Given that the returns are so low?
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They're not making anymore.
East of the Cascades has always been PUG, never been liberal.
You want liberal? Go to Eugene or PDX, or Corvallis. All college towns, imagine that.
But god damn is he a story teller. That's why I think he cares about the nofollow. He's trying to write a fictional tale and he wants free publicity.
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It's a rock. So lets take a group of dogs they all piss on a rock, but no sniffing allowed ever.
Nobody can ever go back to the same rock twice.
No sniffing allowed, and never mark a rock you have been to before, ...
Them be rules, we don't need NO fucking rules.
It has ALREADY been established that NOFOLLOW is the creation of those that wear latex gloves when they play with their own dicks.
Enough Said.
HBM,
I was thinking the same thing, JOCKS that won the fucking lottery.
Do you know what the odds of a nigger tossing hoop is of winning the NBA lottery?
Do you know what the odds of a white-trash kid on steroids since child-hood is of winning the NFL lottery??
Then what do these 'jocks' do?? They spend their lottery winnings on BEND ORYGUN.
Go fucking figure.
Why the hell are we still talking about whether Bend is red or blue?
if you think you're ever going to see $66,000 houses in Bend you're just as delusional as those who think the bubble is going to reinflate.
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I'm not quite so sure, most of the shit I bought I paid less than $15k.
You don't like the fact's, but those who have been here for 2+ years known I'm big on the 4X ( or 3X ), trouble is what is 'X', I'm telling you HBM its closer to $21k than it is to $60k.
I'm a fucking landlord I see applications, I know what people make in this fucking town, and $60k is a fucking 'LUCKY JOCK' salary in this town.
I feel it, its coming back I can see below $100k for homes in BEND, why? Because average wage will go closer to $20k than to $60k.
Like I always say here 'medians' don't mean SHIT, when you got Bledsoe(JOCK) making $40M it skews the wages. What counts is to ignore the top 20% of income and housing, and just look at the low end.
Only time will tell, we're right now falling like a rock, hell it was $400k a year ago, today $250k, and we can also $200k by spring, and we know that people are yet desperate to sell.
Just the other night I heard people crying to me about being $100k under-water Big Fucking Deal.
I had shit in early 80's I paid $90k for that was selling next door for $20k by 1982, I held, and by 1986 everything was back up to $120k. That's almost a 70% drop, and these KUNTS today are seeing a 20% drop and WO-IS-ME, ...
When I start seeing the BITCHES at BT who paid $750k, when I start seeing that shit on the market for $200k and not selling, then these KUNTS will know the fucking 1980's in ORYGUN.
A lot of us are staying me, marge, bem, dunc, ... quite a few, we don't fucking care, we know these are normal cyclic corrections in ORYGUN.
Why the hell are we still talking about whether Bend is red or blue?
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Because JANE keeps bringing it back up. If & When JANE moves on, then we'll move on.
Besides, if you don't know, we're about to go back to the OREO 24/7 its looking like his whole fucking CORONATION might implode over rezko/blako/jackson by jan-20-2009.
BEND is RED, PDX is BLUE, always has, always will.
BEND SUCK's, always has always will.
It has ALREADY been established that NOFOLLOW is the creation of those that wear latex gloves when they play with their own dicks.
Enough Said.
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HOMER & NED FLANDERs of BEND ORYGUN in their own home, ...
"I think I'm going to wank the wonker tonight. Honey can you get me the latex gloves, with my milk & cookies ..."
"Muggle's I can't find this months Nazi Youth Comic Book, ..."
"Ahh warm milk, Nazi Comics, rubber gloves, and my own cock, ..."
"I wonder if there are any sites out there that need to be marked no-follow??"
"Palin won a majority of the vote in Deschutes CO by 300 votes, how come our JANE just will not admit to truth??"
try taking third grade math again. mccain only got 48.96%, not a majority. in fact, more people in deschutes county voted for obama or nader than voted for mccain.
county results:
Ralph Nader 702 (0.88%)
Cynthia McKinney 129 (0.16%)
John McCain 39,064 (48.96%)
Bob Barr 305 (0.38%)
Chuck Baldwin 259 (0.32%)
Barack Obama 38,819 (48.66%)
WRITE-IN 504 (0.63%)
it's official, see it all here:
http://www.deschutes.org/electionresults/
stop with the nonsense already. time to move on.
Frustration with city policy, especially development codes and the cost of building permits, was a common theme at Thursday’s meeting, and the councilors-elect mostly spent the meeting’s allotted two hours listening and taking notes.
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Yep, from now on NO cost building permits.
No cost SDC, free interest free loans to developers. Money not a problem, we'll print it, we'll tax the tourists.
It's sort of FUNNY, if you KUNTS read the above you'll see that BUILDING is less than 20% of BEND, but these KUNTS rule the town. Retirement, Tourism, and Medical is the over 50% of the town, and they don't even have a political voice.
It's going to be very fun to watch this shit, if the fucking medical, tourist, and retirement folk ever get organized in this town against the fucking builder/developers.
That said COMPASS/BROOKS owns the fucking city, this is where the BIG money is albeit 20% of the jobs, and today those be 5% of the jobs.
That is what is really going on here is DESPERATION, these people today that NOW have city-hall are like DETROIT, the AUTO industry is fucked, the BEND building industry is fucked, but NOBODY is paying attention to 30 yr inventory, and 10yr commercial inventory, they want to build, just like the rest of us want to eat & shit.
They're begging for bail-outs, they want to build with NO upfront cost for permits or anything. Sure and I want free pussy by beautiful 18 yr old girls. BP wants milk&cookies.
Homer wants to put 'nofollow' on all the web-world, and remove links all together, so fucking what.
NOBODY is going to BAIL out the fucking BEND developer's, they're fucked, they're a dinosaur, and they're going down just like Detroit.
John McCain 39,064 (48.96%)
Barack Obama 38,819 (48.66%)
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PALIN won by 800 votes, which goes to Show JANE is pulling the data out of her KUNT, but so waht, her own data shows that PALIN WON.
39k is a bigger number than 38k.
39k voted for the white ho, and 38k voted for the oreo.
The majority of the votes went to the HO-WHITE.
Ever wonder why people who wear tinfoil hats and rubber gloves when they play with their dicks have 'nofollow' on their blog-site?? Well here is the official story, ...
13 reason why NO-FOLLOW SUCKS, and the KUNTS that enable it like HOMER&NED.
13 Reasons Why NoFollow Tags Suck
Dec 8th, 2008 by Loren Baker,
The NoFollow link attribute (rel=”nofollow”) was originally created to block search engines from following links in blog comments, due to the amount of blog comment spamming.
The theory is that if spammers are spamming in blog comments to get better SEO and anchored links for their sites, NoFollow would render such spam useless. Problem is, spammers still spam.
Now, NoFollow has been adopted beyond blog comments. Wikipedia is now using NoFollow for external links and Google recommends that paid links use a NoFollow attribute.
Here are 13 reasons why NoFollow is a failure.
1. NoFollow = NoWorky. Using NoFollow in blog comments, the original intent of the tag, does nothing to discourage comment spammers. Using other anti-spamming tools such as question, math and plugins such as Akismet and SpamKarma for Wordpress is much more effective.
2. If a blogger moderates comments, there is no need for a NoFollow attribute. “Everyone who passes a human inspection should get the link love.”
3. Since the use of NoFollow in comments on Wordpress blogs is default, many bloggers do not even realize they are using NoFollow.
4. NoFollow=NoValue. Why use NoFollow on sites, text ads, and blogs if there is no value in terms of search engine indexing? What if they made the Yahoo! directory nofollow? Would anyone continue to purchase listings? Obviously the value of that directory would be zero of nofollow tags were applied to the listings.
5. Linking to someone with a NoFollow attribute is a sign of not trusting them. It’s like reaching to shake someone’s hand, but stopping to put on a pair of latex gloves.
6. No Follow sucks because the search engines (particularly Google) can’t make up their mind about when and how it should be used, thus causing confusion among inexperienced webmasters who do STUPID things like No Follow ALL outgoing links from their website to “protect the site from page rank leakage” and other silly ideas.
7. No-follow is a poor search engine’s solution to conceal its own failure to rank websites appropriately. What’s next, No-linking?
Search engines should be able to develop a method of identifying and devaluing links to spam sites which were placed in blog comments. Why should everyone who posts in blog comments suffer from the actions of a greedy few spammers.
8. Commenting on a blog post is the same as adding more relevant to that blog post. A thought provoking one sentence post can lead to pages of comments. If someone takes the time to help build your site’s content via posting comments, it is professional courtesy to give them some link love.
9. Putting NoFollow on Wikipedia is like putting Grey Poupon on a Spam sandwich.(Or like putting perfume on a pig.)
Taking Wikipedia to task over nofollow is fun but ultimately you need to take them to task for why they implemented nofollow in the first place - that is, to prevent spam. Which in turn means that the way Wikipedia was setup was flawed because it opened itself up to easy spamming.
Therefore, instead of just letting Wikipedia take the easy way out (because ultimately it’s an important resource for many people and replacing it would be tough), they should look at ways into changing their systems so they are not as open to spamming any more.
10. Text link advertisements which use a NoFollow make no sense. If you want to spread your Google juice, why use a link-condom?
11. Even Wordpress founder Matt Mullenweg says NoFollow was a failure; “In theory this should work perfectly, but in practice although all major blogging tools did this two years ago and comment and trackback spam is still 100 times worse now. In hindsight, I don’t think nofollow had much of an effect, though I’m still glad we tried it.”
12. Search Engines follow NoFollow. Yahoo has been known to count NoFollow links as backlinks in SiteExplorer. So, if you’re goal in comment spamming to to build backlinks, which builds your site’s value in terms of selling advertising (TLA, ReviewMe, SEOmoz’s PageStrength and other metrics programs use Yahoo Backlinks as valued criteria), NoFollow is useless.
13. NoFollow Sucks. Check It!
What are your thoughts on NoFollow? Do you support the use of NoFollow in Wikipedia or as a way to identify paid links?
Have more reasons why NoFollow is a failure? Please feel free to share them below.
[Thanks to Carsten, Greg, Ahmed, Dave, Everett, Gemme, and John for contributing. You’ve all been NoFollow’d!]
Re: No cost SDC, free interest free loans to developers. Money not a problem, we'll print it, we'll tax the tourists.
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I'm surprised nobody has brought up a gas tax yet. Makes sense, now that the shock is gone and 10 cents a gallon would be nothing.
What’s next, No-linking?
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We call that homer-science, HTML with no anchors, rubber gloves, and maloxx to all, and all a good night.
BP, I know YOUR FROM UTAH, and your a PUSSY, ...
BUT here in ORYGUN folks that talk sales tax, are generally found decapitated on rail-road tracks, pleeeeze pussy, if you must tax, raise the MORMRON tithing to 20% and pass 10% on to Bend city-hall.
I talk a lot about PUGS running east of the Cascades, and SMITH, lets not forget that the MORMRON church rules east of the Cascades, if they want to fix Bend, they will, and until they get off their ass, we'll have more of the same.
Why the hell are we still talking about whether Bend is red or blue?
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Why the fuck are we still debating if there is a BEND-BUBBLE?
Why? The BP pussy says we're not supposed to ask 'why' ever about anything. That's why.
PALIN won by 800 votes, . . .
The majority of the votes went to the HO-WHITE.
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no, mccain won by 245 votes and he did NOT win a majority. forget third-grade math, you need first-grade math.
a county is not republican if it gives obama and nader more votes than mccain.
And if you think you're ever going to see $66,000 houses in Bend you're just as delusional as those who think the bubble is going to reinflate.
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Your talking about a $4k DOW here HBM.
Look today a Hedge Fund lost $50Billion on a ponzi, now more redemptions, the whole point on de-leveraging is people need money, things will over sell.
If you don't $66k homes HBM, then its only because you still have your head up the elephants ass. I respect you, I know your smart. But you simply just moved to Bend in the last 15 or so years, this recession/depression is going to be the biggest since WWII.
Most of Bend is second un-needed unnecessary homes, like DUY says' most of BEND is way more expensive than the average salary.
We have long talked $180k here me & homer, we have also talked $120k.
I don't know about HOMER today, but even HOMER doesn't see $4k DOW, but I do. Once BEND gets to $120k medians, it will not be hard to see $60k this is how it works.
That said it all depends how quickly the OREO creates hyper-inflation with VOLCKER in the coming 2009.
In the interim, lots more deflation, de-leveraging and dumping 30+ years of un-wanted BEND regional inventory.
2+ years ago I was laughed at when I said the loss on RE national would exceed TWO TRILLION, today that is peanuts, ...
HBM, look in my case, the AVG I paid for BEND homes was $15k, so even at $60k, I'm still 4X of cost. I don't fucking care.
But $60K?? Yes, I can see that.
no, mccain won by 245 votes and he did NOT win a majority. forget third-grade math, you need first-grade math.
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Jane, are you saying your number earlier were'nt correct? I mean I know they weren't but I wasn't going to argue your numbers.
Don't get grade schoolers involved in this debate, this is an 'adult' website.
"I wasn't going to argue your numbers."
these are the official numbers so there is nothing to discuss; they speak for themselves:
http://www.deschutes.org/electionresults/
Below are the current numbers from the election tally JANE.
http://www.deschutes.org/electionresults/
Current Race Leader John McCain 39,064 (48.96%)
Barack Obama 38,819 (48.66%)
Palin(39064) OREO(38819); the HO-WHITE won the majority of votes, by 245 using this count. When the tally shows OREO winning, tell me.
Perhaps by 2012 they'll have certified the results.
Uncertified Results
Last Updated: 11/19/08 General Election RUN TIME:04:08 PM November 4, 2008
52 of 52 Precincts Counted
Voter Turnout: 80,391 of 92,605 (86.81%)
United States President & Vice President
Vote for 1
Ralph Nader 702 (0.88%)
Cynthia McKinney 129 (0.16%)
Current Race Leader John McCain 39,064 (48.96%)
Bob Barr 305 (0.38%)
Chuck Baldwin 259 (0.32%)
Barack Obama 38,819 (48.66%)
Palin(39064) OREO(38819); the HO-WHITE won the majority of votes, by 245 using this count. When the tally shows OREO winning, tell me.
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Deschutes CO voted by majority for the HO-WHITE.
mccain won by 245 votes and he did NOT win a majority.
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Yes, exactly, PALIN(WHITE-HO) won by a MAJORITY of 245 votes over the OR-EO.
Thanks, for the clarfication, who would have guessed that the OREO lost in Deschutes CO.
Jane is retarded, but we do pity here non non the less.
A majority, also known as a simple majority in the U.S., is a subset of a group that is more than half of the entire group. This should not be confused with a plurality, which is a subset having the largest number of parts. A plurality is not necessarily a majority, as the largest subset may be less than half of the entire group.
In British English, majority and plurality are often used as synonyms; it can also refer to the margin of vote separating the first-place finisher from the second-place finisher, so that a candidate who wins by 245 votes may be said to have received "a majority of 245 votes". The term absolute majority is used to indicate more than fifty percent of the vote.[1] wiki - majority
John McCain 39,064 (48.96%)
the HO-WHITE won the majority of votes
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are you just playing dumb here? 48.96% is obviously less than 50% so he did not win a majority; he won a plurality. stop embarrassing yourself already. i'm done with this nonsense.
Prior recessions in BEND RE have easily seen 70% or even 80% temporary drop in housing value.
Why do you KUNTS not believe that it can happen again.
Back in the early 1980's when people paid $80k for a nice home, who would have guessed they drop to $20k, they did. Imagine today if a $800k BT mcMansion dropped from $800k to $200k, or lower? You would have suicide's all over Bend.
Today we have seen a drop of say $650k to $550k and folks are saying, "HELP" we have NOT even seen the drop yet.
deschutes county does not use British English, dummy
"A majority, also known as a simple majority in the U.S., is a subset of a group that is more than half of the entire group."
48.96% is not more than half, dummy.
In British English, majority and plurality are often used as synonyms; it can also refer to the margin of vote separating the first-place finisher from the second-place finisher, so that a candidate who wins by 245 votes may be said to have received "a majority of 245 votes". The term absolute majority is used to indicate more than fifty percent of the vote.[1] wiki - majority
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Jane, What part of 'a candidate who wins by 245, is said to have won a majority of 245 votes'??
Jane: "1+1=3"
Yes, jane we know.
I use 'british english', and PALIN won by a majority of 245 votes.
Poor (JANE) BP-PUSSY so much wants the OREO to win majority of votes in Deschutes County.
Well its not yet final, nor certified. Perhaps you can get in their and toss out 246 votes??
Me use the King James Bible, and me speak 'british english'.
Sorry jane, me tarzan, you pussy.
BP-JANE Pussy speak MORMRON english right Jane??
Finally a word from our sponsor. Sorry about all the chat about PALIN winning by 245 votes, but its quite obvious that BPakaJANE just will not accept the fact.
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Jim Rogers calls most big U.S. banks "bankrupt"
Dec 13, 2008
By Jonathan Stempel
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jim Rogers, one of the world's most prominent international investors, on Thursday called most of the largest U.S. banks "totally bankrupt," and said government efforts to fix the sector are wrongheaded.
Speaking by teleconference at the Reuters Investment Outlook 2009 Summit, the co-founder with George Soros of the Quantum Fund, said the government's $700 billion rescue package for the sector doesn't address how banks manage their balance sheets, and instead rewards weaker lenders with new capital.
Dozens of banks have won infusions from the Troubled Asset Relief Program created in early October, just after the Sept 15 bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc (LEHMQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz). Some of the funds are being used for acquisitions.
"Without giving specific names, most of the significant American banks, the larger banks, are bankrupt, totally bankrupt," said Rogers, who is now a private investor.
"What is outrageous economically and is outrageous morally is that normally in times like this, people who are competent and who saw it coming and who kept their powder dry go and take over the assets from the incompetent," he said. "What's happening this time is that the government is taking the assets from the competent people and giving them to the incompetent people and saying, now you can compete with the competent people. It is horrible economics."
Rogers said he shorted shares of Fannie Mae (FNM.P: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Freddie Mac (FRE.P: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) before the government nationalized the mortgage financiers in September, a week before Lehman failed.
Now a specialist in commodities, Rogers said he has used the recent rally in the U.S. dollar as an opportunity to exit dollar-denominated assets.
While not saying how long the U.S. economic recession will last, he said conditions could ultimately mirror those of Japan in the 1990s. "The way things are going, we're going to have a lost decade too, just like the 1970s," he said.
Goldman Sachs & Co analysts this week estimated that banks worldwide have suffered $850 billion of credit-related losses and writedowns since the global credit crisis began last year.
But Rogers said sound U.S. lenders remain. He said these could include banks that don't make or hold subprime mortgages, or which have high ratios of deposits to equity, "all the classic old ratios that most banks in America forgot or started ignoring because they were too old-fashioned."
Many analysts cite Lehman's Sept 15 bankruptcy as a trigger for the recent cratering in the economy and stock markets.
Rogers called that idea "laughable," noting that banks have been failing for hundreds of years. And yet, he said policymakers aren't doing enough to prevent another Lehman.
"Governments are making mistakes," he said. "They're saying to all the banks, you don't have to tell us your situation. You can continue to use your balance sheet that is phony.... All these guys are bankrupt, they're still worrying about their bonuses, they're still trying to pay their dividends, and the whole system is weakened."
Rogers said is investing in growth areas in China and Taiwan, in such areas as water treatment and agriculture, and recently bought positions in energy and agriculture indexes.
>Why the hell are we still talking about whether Bend is red or blue?
Because Buster keeps throwing it out.
What's funny as shit is I, who Buster has named Jane, has been watching a movie for the last few hours (Good Night and Good Luck, about Murrow/McCarthy). As hard as he finds it to believe, there's a bunch of us who find him full of shit.
Banks being bombed in Woodburn.
Disgruntled person about to get foreclosed on?
http://www.katu.com/news/36087684.html
What the hell is with this wrangling over who carried Deschutes County in the presidential race? McCain-Palin won, but very narrowly. And the Democrats unseated an incumbent Republican county commissioner and an incumbent Republican state legislator. The county is not blue yet but it definitely is purple.
I'm not sure WHY the pussy's here ( hbm, bp, dunc, .... ) are obsessed with purple/blue, ... the FACT is eastern-ORYGUN has always been a BIG-RED area.
HBM pussy will NEVER achieve his goal of californicating eastern orygun.
BP will never get his sales tax. I agree this debate about WHO won the election is nauseating, but 'JANE' will not let go.
Want to SEE how the OREO will run his government?? Look see how the people who PUT the OREO in power run their government, given its going to be the SAME people. This is all you got to read.
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Why is Michael Madigan waiting to impeach Blagojevich?
HOUSE SPEAKER | Madigan pushed impeachment, until now -- is he trying to give daughter an edge?
December 13, 2008
BY DAVE MCKINNEY Sun-Times Springfield Bureau Chief
SPRINGFIELD -- House Speaker Michael Madigan turned heads last spring by admitting his staff had researched impeaching Gov. Blagojevich, then followed up with a fall memo to Democratic candidates advocating impeachment.
So why on the eve of lawmakers returning to Springfield to address a full-blown political crisis won't the powerful Southwest Side Democrat commit to impeaching a man regarded by some as the most corrupt state officeholder in modern Illinois history?
"It's baffling," said House Minority Leader Tom Cross (R-Oswego), who was among the first pushing impeachment after Blagojevich was arrested and charged Tuesday as part of a blockbuster federal corruption investigation.
Even more baffling is the fact that plenty of votes exist in the House to get the job done.
On Friday, Cross had a conference call with his 52-member GOP delegation and said "at least" 45 favored launching impeachment proceedings immediately.
The same day, Rep. John Fritchey (D-Chicago), who is preparing an impeachment resolution independent of Madigan's office, received commitments from 30 House Democrats to back impeachment.
All told, that's at least 75 House members wanting the impeachment process to begin against Blagojevich. Sixty votes are necessary to get the ball rolling.
"The responses so far have overwhelmingly confirmed my belief that there is more than enough support to not only proceed with a motion for impeachment, but to pass such a motion," Fritchey said.
Madigan spokesman Steve Brown repeatedly refused to say Friday whether the speaker would allow a vote Monday or Tuesday on an impeachment resolution.
Brown offered nearly the same refrain he has made every day since Blagojevich was charged Tuesday in alleged schemes to sell Illinois' vacant U.S. Senate seat to the bidder offering the most cash and to buy more favorable coverage in the Chicago Tribune.
"I know we'll have a conversation with Tom Cross. That's what I know. And we welcome everybody to recognize what we've been saying for four years: We're the only one who stood up to this guy," said Brown, referring to the governor.
Madigan scheduled the Monday and Tuesday session to pass legislation establishing a one-time, special Senate election concurrent with next February and April's municipal elections. The bill would block Blagojevich from appointing a permanent successor to President-elect Barack Obama.
If Blagojevich resigns this week, Madigan's noncommittal stance on adding impeachment to the agenda would make perfect sense because the issue would be moot.
But if Blagojevich stays put and his saga drags out, then questions inevitably will grow louder about whether delaying impeachment is a tactic by Madigan not to divert political thunder from his daughter, Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
On Friday, she took the unprecedented step of petitioning the state Supreme Court to declare Blagojevich unfit for office and remove him, under an obscure rule never used before against an Illinois governor.
"The speculation is that the speaker is sitting back on this so Lisa can take the lead and get ownership on the issue," said one House member who favors impeachment but requested anonymity.
The attorney general made clear Friday that she backs impeaching Blagojevich and noted her legal maneuver would be another front against the governor while lawmakers go about trying to impeach him.
"Attorney General Madigan's call for the governor's impeachment has been crystal clear since the charges against him were announced Tuesday. [Her] filing in the Supreme Court does not take the place of impeachment. Rather, it seeks to bring immediate relief to the people of Illinois," said Cara Smith, a spokeswoman for Lisa Madigan.
By having a prominent role in ousting Blagojevich, the attorney general and potential 2010 gubernatorial candidate further insulates herself from the same type of do-nothing charges that Blagojevich employed against his 2002 rival, then-Attorney General Jim Ryan.
During his first campaign for governor, Blagojevich launched a relentless attack over the airwaves alleging Ryan had been passive in probing wrongdoing by his fellow Republican, outgoing Gov. George Ryan, who later was convicted on corruption charges by a federal jury and is serving a 6½-year sentence.
Cross said the possibility Madigan might be delaying to help his daughter better position herself for 2010 is "a question being asked by lawmakers," though Cross isn't sure that's the case.
"I can't speak for the speaker," said Cross, whose expected sit-down Monday with Madigan will be the first one-on-one conversation he's had with the speaker in a year.
Brown reacted brusquely to any hint that hesitance by his boss to launch impeachment proceedings has anything to do with Lisa Madigan. He also criticized Cross for pushing impeachment now so aggressively, given how closely aligned he was with Blagojevich during the last year to push a multibillion-dollar state construction program that stalled in the House.
"This reflects a complete change of course in Tom Cross, who has been the biggest ally of Rod Blagojevich in the Illinois House," Brown said. "He's finally recognizing people should steer clear of Rod Blagojevich. We welcome his reawakening, and we'll sit down Monday with him and have a conversation."
Fritchey is being patient, though he too is not certain why the speaker has been reluctant to give the all-clear signal on impeachment. He wants to speak with Madigan to find out.
"The speaker historically has not been a person to be swayed by external demands for a timetable. I'm confident he understands the seriousness of this situation and the strong desire to move forward," Fritchey said.
"I intend to have a conversation with the speaker to exchange our ideas and to share with him the feedback I've gotten from colleagues. At the end of the day, I'd be surprised if we weren't on the same page."
"The per capita income for the city was $21,624. This is the INCOME that really matters in Bend, multiply this by your 3X."
Of course the per capita is the total income divided by the total population; it includes children and 90-year-olds in nursing homes. Those population cohorts ordinarily do not buy houses. - HBM
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This is WHERE YOU ARE WRONG HBM, this really does matter.
1.) There are NOT a lot of children here.
2.) The oldsters ( retired ) of Bend are supposed to be our fucking bread & butter.
3.) The middle folk 18-58 sure don't have any fucking money in this town.
My points folks is that for BEND the $21k matters and matters BIG, that is why we can look at $80k medians with a real possibility.
A lot of us already expect $120k, and thus it will not be surprising at all to see $80k ( 4X ), I like 4X more than 3X, but whatever.
HBM says to pay NO attention to the 'children' & the retiree's. I say that RETIREES are everything, as they're the one who bought the FUCKING homes. The kids don't have any money, there will NEVER be jobs in Bend, and nobody will ever buy all these high-end homes that were built once all these poor old folks die.
BEND ain't ASPEN, and the income is closer to $21k on average than it is $60k.
>Why the hell are we still talking about whether Bend is red or blue?
Because Buster keeps throwing it out.
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NO JANE, you brought it back up.
Let's move on to the new top of red/blue, which will NEVER go away, ...
Will the OREO be the biggest MR-TEFLON in US political history.
Palin won, but very narrowly.
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Why add 'narrowly' HBM, had the OREO won the majority, you would have called it a landslide.
Your own SORE called OREO the winner in DESCHUTES CO, I railed your ASS for a week, before you corrected the error in the SORE that OREO had won.
HBM and the pussy's are so much like Herr-Bush, they just hate the fucking facts.
I wonder how gung ho the dems will be a year from now on the preformance of our new president fom Illinois.Isn't that the state the FBI stated has the most corruption in the union?
BLAGO ROPE AROUND THE OREO TIGHTENS
Pressure grew on two of Barack Obama’s closest political aides yesterday as new details emerged of the “pay-for-play” allegations against the Governor of his home state.
Rahm Emanuel, the President-elect’s new Chief of Staff, and Jesse Jackson Jr, the co-chairman of his presidential campaign, both faced new revelations about their possible involvement in the scandal.
Fox News Chicago reported that Mr Emanuel, a Chicago politician who won the Illinois Governor’s former congressional seat, may have been captured on FBI wire-taps discussing the fate of Mr Obama’s vacated US Senate seat with Rod Blagojevich.
The TV station said Mr Emanuel had “multiple conversations” with the Governor, who is accused of trying to “sell” the open Senate seat for a Cabinet post or lucrative top foundation job. The report said the Governor was given a list of Senate candidates acceptable to Mr Obama. Because the FBI was secretly taping Mr Blagojevich in recent weeks, Mr Emanuel’s conversations may have been recorded, Fox News Chicago said.
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Any recordings of the newly appointed White House Chief of Staff speaking to Mr Blagojevich about Mr Obama’s former Senate seat would prove an acute embarrassment to the incoming Obama Administration, even if no illegal deals were discussed, and could even force Mr Emanuel’s resignation. Mr Obama has promised to release details of any contacts between his staff and the Governor’s office but told a news conference on Thursday that he was “absolutely certain” that none of his aides was involved in any deal-making.
Mr Emanuel skipped Mr Obama’s press conference, which he typically attends. Cornered by a Chicago Sun-Times reporter at a concert at his children’s school, he refused to comment.
“I’m not going to say a word to you,” Mr Emanuel said. “I’m going to do this with my children. Don’t do that. I’m a father. I have two kids. I’m not going to do it.”
He was asked: “Can’t you do both?” Mr Emanuel replied: “I’m not as capable as you. I’m going to be a father. I’m allowed to be a father.”
Mr Emanuel told an ABC News cameraman, whom he invited into his house to use the toilet yesterday, that he was receiving “regular death threats” because his home address had been put on TV.
Jesse Jackson Jr, the Congressman son of the famed civil rights leader, also faced new questions yesterday about his quest for Mr Obama’s vacated Senate seat.
A group of ethnic Indian businessmen with ties to Mr Jackson and Mr Blagojevich reportedly held a lunch on October 31 and discussed raising $1 million for the Governor’s campaign to encourage him to pick Mr Jackson as Senator, the Chicago Tribune said.
Raghuveer Nayak, a major Blagojevich donor who also has ties to the Jackson family, then co-sponsored a fund-raiser for the Governor on Saturday attended by Mr Blagojevich and Jesse Jackson Jr’s brother Jonathan, the newspaper said.
Mr Nayak, a leader of Chicago’s Asian community, owns a string of surgery clinics and was once involved in a land deal with Jonathan Jackson.
Mr Jackson Jr met Mr Blagojevich at 4pm on Monday to discuss his interest in the Senate seat. Mr Blagojevich was arrested at his home at 6am on Tuesday by prosecutors who said they were trying to thwart a “political crime spree”. Jesse Jackson Jr is due to meet prosecutors next week, but has been told he is not a target of the investigation.
He insisted yesterday that no one had offered the Governor money for the Senate seat on his behalf.
“People know me. They know who I am. I’m confident that no one on my behalf made a single offer to anybody for anything. I would not accept the position if it were offered under those circumstances,” he said.
Mr Blagojevich, meanwhile, went to work again yesterday without making any public comment despite the growing clamour for his resignation. Lisa Madigan, the Illinois Attorney-General, filed a motion with the state’s highest court asking the judges to declare the scandal-plagued Governor unfit to hold office. John Harris, Mr Blagojevich’s Chief of Staff, who was charged along with the Governor, last night stepped down from his job, adding to the pressure on his boss.
BEND GETS A FUCKING OLIVE-GARDEN BEND REALLY IS A RESORT TOWN.
City planners talking with long-awaited chain; eateries, others come and go
By Nina Mehlhaf, KTVZ.COM
You could call it the Bend see-saw. First Linens 'N Things announces it's going out of business. Not to worry, Gottschalk's department store just opened up.
Office Depot decides to close its Bend store, but Kohl's, another department store new t the region, is breaking ground behind it. Downtown Bend's Paper Place shut its doors - now gaming store Magic is slated to open.
A cell phone store leaves and a candy store pops up. And don't even get started on restaurants, it's too hard to keep track.
Blue Fish Bistro closed this summer downtown; in its place, the Bend Burger Company. 38Degrees in NorthWest Crossing shut down; just this week Aloha Café took over, opening its third location.
"Their barbeque chicken is excellent, so is the kahlua pork," said one customer Friday.
Owner Merv Abe does what experts say he should be doing now, targeting his affordable Hawaiian barbeque to frugal customers. He says he got a good deal on the space, but knows he took a risk in opening during such a tumultuous time.
"It is a risky move," said Abe. "We looked at the economy, and we're hoping in the very near future it picks up."
"I wish I could say it was equaling out, but I don't see that it is," said Beth Wickham of COCC's Small Business Development Center.
While there's more bad news than good, Wickham is seeing more clients trying the small business route to eke out a niche in these tough times.
The Bend Chamber of Commerce says new business sign-ups are on the rise, with 20 a month. The city of Bend goes even further, saying they've been giving out three to five new business licenses every day lately, mostly to people working from home.
"Small business owners are the heart of what's going to take us out of this, there's no question about it," Wickham said. "And in that sense, Central Oregon is so fortunate, because we are small business."
And the big news, drum roll please: The long-awaited, and much-anticipated Olive Garden Restaurant chain has taken the initial steps to coming to Bend.
City planners and the franchise are moving forward on the space next to Staples on Bend's north end, by the Cascade Village Shopping Center - and strategically close to Johnny Carino's Italian Restaurant.
Permits have not yet been filed, but planners confirm the company is serious.
We'll of course keep you updated when Olive Garden finalizes its plans.
Meanwhile, experts say if you're considering started up a business, really think about how much overhead it will cost you, because sometimes excitement gets in the way of the harsh reality of this market.
I wonder how gung ho the dems will be a year from now on the preformance of our new president fom Illinois.Isn't that the state the FBI stated has the most corruption in the union?
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Yep, & team bush for the first time ever is enforcing the law, before OREO takes over and neuters the AG.
BUSH is going to have so many pending prison terms for team-oreo, that OREO will never think of going after BUSH/CHENEY.
Quid-pro-quo is what is going on right now, in the next two months the only news you'll see is chicago mob politics, and then post Jan 20, 2009 it will disappear, well except on FOX.
I have always felt that the OREO had no fucking MORAL-COMPASS, I mean at least the SHRUB is a silver-spoon, kept child.
But the OREO he is a made man, by the most corrupt machine on earth, it will be interesting how long OREO's TEFLON hold's up.
Shit is sticking to JacksonJR & RAHMBO today.
I can hear right now ALL the Pussy's saying, "But OREO is being attacked by the right-wing, he's a good man, that was never given a chance".
Nope, the OREO was put in POWER by these people right now in the NEWS, and the OREO had intended to put them in POWER of the USA, but with all this bad news, the OREO will have to reconsider.
Another thing about CHICAGO which is FUN, is they really do have a left/right, top/bottom, ... PRESS.
Unlike BEND-ORYGUN where there is NO PRESS,
Chicago has tons of papers that report all the dirt. If its out there it will get reported, unlike Bend.
"Small business owners are the heart of what's going to take us out of this, there's no question about it," Wickham said. "And in that sense, Central Oregon is so fortunate, because we are small business."
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Yes, thank you, so why is all the fucking political POWER, and bail-out's of BEND going to TaylorNW, BRooks, and Compass? Why do the developer/builders the 500# gorilla's of BEND, run the town, when in fact the 'small' shall make the recovery possible??
Then toss in all that is BIG, built by the big builders, 'small' will never need BIG.
Bend is so full of fucking shit.
"Minimizing this PROBLEM, is the OREO's biggest problem" - how do you make this issue go away??? Selling office seats? Who would have figured??
Rostenkowski Offers His Take on Blagojevich
Brad Haynes reports on politics.
Former Rep. Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois, who spent more than a year in the Big House after a corruption conviction, mused today on Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a fellow Chicago Democrat who faces his own corruption charges, including an allegation that he tried to sell the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.
In a column posted on The Daily Beast, Rostenkowski starts out: “I always tried to steer away from the minority of my colleagues” who were out to enrich themselves.
Five paragraphs later, he mentions that he was, at one point, a member of that minority. “As a politician who more than a decade ago was disciplined for breaking the rules, I’m still uncomfortable writing about it,” he says – and that is all he writes about his role in the 1990s House Post Office scandal, which turned Rostenkowski from Ways and Means chairman to convicted felon. He was pardoned by President Bill Clinton in 2000.
Rostenkowski writes that he understands how it feels to be in Blagojevich’s shoes: “I can sympathize with the pain the governor’s family must feel and can uniquely understand their concerns about what comes next.” But in the next sentence he distances himself: “There’s a big difference between running a sloppy office and staging a personally beneficial auction to make policy and personnel decisions.”
Rostenkowski stresses that only a “small percentage” of politicians give in to corrupt temptations, but a “smaller group [that] apparently actively seeks them out. As a rule, they’re as crude and inept as they are subversive of the public interest, so most are quickly caught.”
In the very next sentence, he warns, “Minimizing the problem is a continuing challenge.”
Caligula said to have voted for Obama as well ... Support's Change, and New-Politics
Blagojevich, Making Conservatives’ Day
Conservatives are gleeful at watching Democrats, happy viewers of recent Republican ethics problems, squirm now with their own ethics woes, especially those of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Jonah Goldberg of National Review says partisans on the right enjoy “watching the Democrats — self-proclaimed anti-corruption zealots in recent years — explain why Blagojevich shouldn’t be lumped in with Congressmen Charlie Rangel (cut himself sweetheart deals), William Jefferson ($90,000 in his freezer) and Tim Mahoney (tried to bribe an aide he was sleeping with not to sue him — and you thought romance was dead) as part of a new Democratic ‘culture of corruption’ storyline.” He also finds a “nice moral to the story here. For the last several years, we’ve heard a lot about ‘new politics.’ We are going to start fresh and put aside the old politics and the old ways. So far, it looks like Obama did nothing wrong, and I hope that remains the case. But it’s worth remembering that there really isn’t any such thing as a ‘new politics.’ Politics is eternal because human nature is unchanging. Even Barack Obama, hero-saint light-worker Jedi
just wait until BlagoJagoStich flips and starts singing... and you know it's coming.
Rezko Emerges With Central Role in Blago Case
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER and JOHN R. EMSHWILLER
The pay-to-play case against Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich puts another Chicago political figure back in the spotlight: developer Antoin Rezko, a onetime fund-raiser for Barack Obama who was convicted in June of influence peddling.
Mr. Rezko appears to be playing a key role in the case against Mr. Blagojevich, which, coupled with an unrelated, recently filed lawsuit in that state, could give Obama critics grist for their attempts to tie him to corrupt Chicago politics.
Earlier this year, Mr. Rezko wrote a letter to the judge in his own criminal case in which he complained that federal prosecutors in the office of U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald "are pressuring me to tell them the 'wrong' things I supposedly know about Governor Blagojevich and Senator Obama." Mr. Rezko added that he had never been involved in wrongdoing with either man. Mr. Obama has never been tied to any of the developer's alleged crimes.
A Rezko criminal attorney declined to comment, as did a spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald's office. Obama aides declined to comment about his ties to the governor or Mr. Rezko.
Mr. Rezko this week seems to have changed his mind about Mr. Blagojevich, who was accused by Mr. Fitzgerald of attempting to auction off Mr. Obama's vacant U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, among other misdeeds. In a 76-page affidavit supporting the arrest of Mr. Blagojevich, a Federal Bureau of Investigation agent called Mr. Rezko a "principal fundraiser" for Mr. Blagojevich and said the convicted developer is cooperating in the case against the Democratic governor.
"Rezko has proffered [information] with the government in hopes of receiving a recommendation from the government for a reduced sentence," the affidavit says. On Thursday, the federal judge in Mr. Rezko's case abruptly suspended his sentencing proceedings. People familiar with the case said this was a clear signal that Mr. Rezko's cooperation was moving forward. Because cooperating witnesses use their testimony to get lighter sentences, judges delay giving them prison terms until their assistance to prosecutors has been completed.
Documents in the Case
* Order by U.S. District Court Judge Amy St. Eve suspending the looming deadlines for both sides in the case.
* Letter from Mr. Rezko's lawyer to U.S. District Court Judge Amy St. Eve on Nov. 26 on delaying sentencing
* Wash Wire: Rezko's Sentencing Is Delayed
Mr. Obama's other connection to Mr. Rezko revolves around a patch of land adjacent to Mr. Obama's Chicago home that he bought in early 2006 from the disgraced developer's wife for about $100,000. Mr. Obama has since called the deal "boneheaded" on his part. Obama representatives have said that the purchase of the adjacent properties by the Obamas and Ms. Rezko weren't related.
In October, a lawsuit was filed in Illinois state court by Kenneth Conner, a former employee of an Illinois bank called Mutual Bank. His suit says he was fired after raising questions in connection with a $500,000 loan that largely financed Ms. Rezko's purchase of the vacant lot, a portion of which she later sold to the Obamas.
The suit includes an internal bank email from October 2006 discussing the receipt of a federal grand jury subpoena seeking information about the Rezko lot loan. The suit alleges important information was removed from the loan file before it was turned over to authorities. There is no evidence Mr. Fitzgerald has been looking specifically at the Obama-Rezko transaction.
Mutual Bank officials didn't respond to calls.
HBM & DUNC will tell all you KUNTS to pay no attention to the right-wing, well in the next few years this shit is all your going to hear about.
Blago-Rezko-Rahmbo-JackJR will be the OREO's white-water, aka Clinton.
One thing we all despised is HOW BUSH stood by the people who had brought him to power, how he loaded his admin with these shit-eating Texans like Myer's, and Gonzales, and how he stood by them.
The OREO is doing the exact same fucking thing, loading his admin with ass kissing enablers, and then standing by them when they get tarnished.
MORE BUSH than BUSH has been my prediction.
The USA deserves no fucking less.
Hey HOMER, your RICH are really getting fucked this week, I really think we need to 'bail-out' the rich.
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News of money manager Bernard Madoff's alleged fraud sent shock waves through upscale communities in the New York area and Florida where wealthy individuals had entrusted billions of dollars to Mr. Madoff for decades.
Ira Roth, a New Jersey resident, who says his family has about $1 million invested through Mr. Madoff's firm, is "in a state of panic." He said his 86-year-old mother-in-law has been living on the investments' returns, and he has been using the funds to pay college tuition.
"This is going to kill so many people," said a current investor in Mr. Madoff's fund. "It's absolutely ...
>>Ira Roth
That's his NAME? Best name ever for someone who lost money in a pyramid scheme.
Re: BP-JANE Pussy speak MORMRON english right Jane??
Nope. Note I haven't said a thing about this dumbass argument.
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BP will never get his sales tax
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Don't put words in my mouth, Buster. I never said sales tax. I hate fucking sales taxes.
Now a local gas tax I MIGHT be amenable to. If you want to drive a big SUV, fine. I don't.
Re: just wait until BlagoJagoStich flips and starts singing... and you know it's coming.
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Can't wait, considering Rahmbo is the one who fed him to the Feds.
I wonder how gung ho the dems will be a year from now on the preformance [sic] of our new president fom Illinois. Isn't that the state the FBI stated has the most corruption in the union?
Obama is from Illinois. There are corrupt politicians in Illinois. Ergo Obama is corrupt.
Classic Republican "logic."
If you have something on Obama, bring it. Otherwise put up or shut the fuck up.
Republicans hounded Clinton for eight years with one bogus "scandal" after another, starting with Whitewater and culminating in the Blowjob Impeachment.
But you know what? It backfired on them and they almost lost control of the House as a result.
The same is in store for them if they try the same shit with Obama. And they will, because (a) they don't know how to do anything else and (b) their party is intellectually, morally and ethically BANKRUPT.
hbm,
I would have thought that you would have learned by now is that a trait both Republicans and Democrats have in common is overconfidence once elected.
It's a common, and often fatal, mistake to think the electorate loves you just because you won an election.
I love this blog you are so fun to play with. I am laughing MY head off.
>NO JANE, you brought it back up.
Huh. I swear I saw this that started the argument again.....
>The good news is that 80% of Bend is still PUG.
Yep. That be the start.
The same is in store for them if they try the same shit with Obama. And they will, because (a) they don't know how to do anything else and (b) their party is intellectually, morally and ethically BANKRUPT.
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Both party's are morally and intellectually bankrupt. So says Ralph Nader & Gore Vidal.
For twenty years OREO slept with the dirtiest HO's in Chicago, the most corrupt city on earth.
Small wonder its a DEM town???
The OREO might have teflon its hard to say, so fucking early, he hasn't even started office yet, and he's already assumed guilty.
I love AmeriKKKa.
The OREO is the smart NIGGER on BLAZING-SADDLE's, you KUNT's have a mission, go re-watch blazing-saddles and laugh your asses off, and remember the new sheriff-OREO is coming from Chicago to clean up DC.
>The good news is that 80% of Bend is still PUG.
Yep. That be the start.
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The veneer of liberal is so fucking THIN in Bend its silly.
The ONLY reason KUNTS like DUNC, BP, ... HBM throw praise on the OREO is 'cargo', they think that OREO is going to fix something.
Something is terribly wrong in the USA, but it going to take time, and the OREO will have spent his political capital, before his term in office even begins.
There is no CARGO coming to BEND.
The veneer of liberal-DEM's in BEND is thin, most folks in BEND are big tit, big ass SUV, dog shit eating grifting parasites.
Sure there are the 1-5% that go out and play in the snow, and hike, and Bike, ... but those are less than 5%.
The MAJORITY of Bend, over 80% are fucking TV watching 'cargo cultists'.
They BE PUG's at heart, and if some new poly-tick-ian comes around and promises 'cargo' then they'll be loving them.
The DEM's & PUG's are shit eaters. It's odd that HBM will not admit such, most kids these days know this eternal truth.
When HOMER beats the meat with latex gloves, is there a noise?
When Homer finger's his anus in the woods and nobody is there, does he make a sound?
It's supposed to be 5deg-F on Tues HOMER, please stay out of the woods.
FBI File #9536B
Wiretap on line 312-XXX-XXXX
November 10th, 2008
12:42 PM Eastern Time
TRANSCRIPT
RAHM EMANUEL: This is Rahm.
ROD BLAGOJEVICH: Hey Rahm, yeah it's Rod.
EMANUEL: Uh-huh. What's going on governor, I'm busy.
BLAGO: Well, it's about that Senate appointment...
EMANUEL: We already gave you the list of people we like.
BLAGO: Yeah, I been looking the list over. Interesting names. Good people. How's the transition going?
EMANUEL: It's going fine, governor. Are you calling to fucking tell me anything, or what, cause I--
BLAGO: No no, I'm just wondering if you have all your picks already made. I heard something about Daschle for HHS--
EMANUEL: I'm not gonna discuss ongoing deliberations, gov, you know that.
BLAGO: Hey, come on Rahm, let's not act like I'm a stranger here.
EMANUEL: Did I call you a stranger? If I thought you were a stranger, you think I'd be interrupting my important fucking business to take this fucking phone call?
BLAGO: Hey you don't have to get curt with me, Rahm.
EMANUEL: This isn't me being curt, Gov, this is me being fucking busy. Now what did you call about?
BLAGO: I'm just feeling you out, seeing if Valerie [Jarret] still wants that Senate seat, just wondering what kind of priority that is for the President-Elect.
EMANUEL: Actually, it's not a priority. Valerie's had second thoughts about the job.
BLAGO: What, she doesn't want it anymore?
EMANUEL: She's having second thoughts. You want more details, you ask her.
BLAGO: She won't take my calls.
EMANUEL: Big fucking surprise.
BLAGO: What's that supposed to mean?
EMANUEL: Um, I don't know, what's it supposed to mean governor? A.) You're a fucking crook. B.) You're a fucking asshole. C.) All of the above.
BLAGO: I'm clean Rahm, you know this. You think that fucking Fitzgerald would being twiddling his fucking thumbs if he had shit to go on?
EMANUEL: I gotta go, Gov. You appoint who you want, we really don't give a shit.
BLAGO: What if I appoint Valerie, what if she takes it?
EMANUEL: What do you want me to say? We'd appreciate it, I'm not gonna fucking kiss your ring over it.
BLAGO: "Appreciate it"? Come on, this is a senate seat we're talking about. It's worth a fuck of a lot more than appreciation.
EMANUEL: You asked us for a list, we gave you a fucking list, you want to make your own list then make your own fucking list. [Raising voice] But if you're asking for anything else from me, or Barack, or Valerie, then you can fucking stop talking right now Rod.
BLAGO: Wait a sec there Rahm. Wait just a fucking minute. Who are you to talk to me like that? I fucking made you.
EMANUEL: You made me? You made me? Tell me you're fucking joking.
BLAGO: No no no, you listen to me shit-face. You see this list I got, the names motherfucking Obama fucking wants for the Senate. I just ripped it in two. How you like that? Oops, Harris just dropped it in the shredder. Harris?
HARRIS (muffled): Yes sir?
BLAGO: Did you just drop that list in the shredder?
[Whirring, shredder noise]
HARRIS (muffled): I did.
EMANUEL: Do you have me on fucking speakerphone?
BLAGO: It's in the shredder, Rahm. The list is bye bye.
EMANUEL: Hold on a sec -- you got me on fucking speakerphone? Who the fuck do you think I am?
BLAGO: Who are you Rahm? Who are you? You're shit, you hear me? Don't come back to Chicago Rahm, it's not your town any more.
EMANUEL: Pick up the phone Rod.
BLAGO: I'll put someone in the senate who will fucking fuck you. I might even put myself in there, how you like that Rahm? How you gonna explain that to fucking Barack, every time he's gotta call me up for my fucking vote. He'd have to take my calls then, wouldn't he?
EMANUEL: [Screaming] I said pick up the FUCKING phone!
BLAGO: [Picks up phone, speakerphone off] I got your attention now, didn't I?
EMANUEL: Shut the fuck up and listen to me for one second Rod. And I want you to listen carefully, because this is the last time I'm ever going to talk to you. You are fucking dead to me. You been fucking dead to Barack since '06, now you're dead to me. Know what that means? That means you're dead to my people in Chicago, Daley on down, and all these friends you think you have aren't gonna touch you with a ten foot fucking pole.
BLAGO: Oh now you're the fucking Godfather? Fuck you.
EMANUEL: No fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
BLAGO: Fuck you!
EMANUEL: Listen up asshole. The shit's gonna hit the fan, maybe tomorrow, maybe next month, and when Fitz finally brings down the hammer it's gonna be my name that's going through your head. You won't know the hows or the fucking whys, but it's gonna have my fucking fingerprints all over it. Have a great life fatso.
BLAGO: Hey fuck--
EMANUEL: [Click.]
End of conversation
>>>The veneer of liberal-DEM's in BEND is thin, most folks in BEND are big tit, big ass SUV, dog shit eating grifting parasites.
Fuckin fuck. After a week of dem's won, pugs won blah, blah, blah fucking blah you finally make a valid point. THANK YOU. The adolescence back and forth is a bit much.
So the whole point is Bend is traditionally PUG. Has been forever. Eastern Oregon more so. But we just had an election where Bend went DEM and now your point is who cares. Deep down this town is PUG and as soon as the cali fuckers/recent immigrants slink outta town with nothing then we'll revert back to PUG.
And fuckin A but I actually think I agree. Wish we could of avoided the stupid ass shit leading up to this moment but I guess you gotta go there to get here.
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RAHM EMANUEL: This is Rahm.
ROD BLAGOJEVICH: Hey Rahm, yeah it's Rod.
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do be aware that the "transcript" is a joke written by DailyKos
Hell yes, lava, the LIB's got hosed, we took their money, fucked their wives, raped their daughters, and let BP/HBM/... go for their son's, ... Now the DEM's got nothing to leave Bend with except their tails tucked tight backwards between they're thighs.
But on their way out of DODGE they can yell back, we left our 'seed'.
I don't think so, this OREO vote was more for DISGUST of BUSH, everywhere you go you know that traditional PUGS were furious at BUSH, the sub-majority vote for OREO has nothing to do with the MAN, but only the disgust with BUSH.
Either way, our girly-men from CALI that came to BEND post 1998, will all be leaving, ...
do be aware that the "transcript" is a joke written by DailyKos
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Are you saying that everything that BP posts here is from daily=kos??
Who would have guessed??
HBM suggests that this is just O'Reilly / CLINTON aka white-water, ... no this is the future, this is Al Capone have an OREO run the US white-house. Interesting times. It's not funny anymore, the TEFLON on the OREO will be gone long before Jan 20, 2009.
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Corruption and the untouchable Obama
Chicago’s bad ol’ days have occasionally made a comeback...
Then-Senator Barack Obama (left) stands with Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. (center) and Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (right) in January 2007.
JEFF HAYNES/AFP/Getty Images
Read, search and download the Blagojevich affidavit
By Stephanie Ramage
In the movie “The Untouchables,” an Irish beat cop played by Sean Connery explains how to deal with Al Capone’s Chicago mafia: “They send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.”
To a less violent degree, Chicago’s bad ol’ days have occasionally made a comeback, most recently in what Chicago Tribune editorial writer John Kass calls “the Combine”—an influence-peddling racket “with the Democratic machine on one side and the Republican insiders on the other, and the Chicago Outfit forming the base.”
That racket has been exposed bit by bit in the past year, even as Chicago’s favorite son, President-elect Barack Obama, broke out in the Democratic primaries and went on to win the White House.
First there was the federal trial of Obama supporter and fundraiser Tony Rezko.
The charges against Rezko had nothing directly to do with Obama, who has donated $150,000 in Rezko-related contributions to charity. But Rezko did raise money for Obama’s Senate run, to which he also personally contributed more than $21,000. Then, in 2005, Rezko, in his wife’s name, paid full price for a land parcel connected to the house the Obamas wanted to buy, which allowed them to buy the house at a more affordable sum.
The Feb. 26 London Times put it like this: “Rezko's wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day … .” Obama has since said it was a mistake to work with Rezko on buying the house.
Rezko also managed to place the son of one of his business associates in an internship in Obama’s Senate office.
Rezko was convicted last June on 16 counts of fraud and money-laundering.
Next up was Rezko crony Ali Ata, a contributor to Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign. In April, Ata pled guilty to federal charges of making false statements. As part of his plea deal, Ata promised to cooperate with the ongoing federal investigation into corruption in Illinois politics.
A corruption complaint brought by the Department of Justice against Democrat Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich last week describes how “Rezko placed the envelope containing Ata’s $25,000 check to Rod Blagojevich’s campaign on the conference room table between himself and [Blagojevich] and stated to [Blagojevich] that Ata had been a good supporter and a team player and that Ata would be willing to join [Blagojevich’s] administration. … After this meeting, Ata completed an application for a state appointment.”
Blagojevich later appointed him executive director of the Illinois Finance Authority (IFA), the group to which the cash-strapped Tribune Co., owner of the Chicago Tribune and the Cubs, would later turn when it sought to sell Wrigley Field. According to the complaint, Blagojevich instructed a staffer to make it clear to the company that it wouldn’t be getting any help from the state unless the Chicago Tribune fired editorial writers who had been critical of him. (During one phone call, according to the complaint, Blagojevich’s wife can be heard telling him to tell the deputy governor to “hold up that f**king Cubs shit … f**k them.”)
The Trib’s Kass wrote last week that although his fellow Chicagoans are used to that kind of thing, the national press must be shocked: “They've been clinging to the ridiculous notion that Chicago is Camelot for months now, cleaving to the idea with the willfulness of stubborn children. It must help them see Obama as some pristine creature, perhaps a gentle faun of a magic forest, unstained by our grubby politics, a bedtime story for grown-ups who insist upon fairy tales.”
Some of us aren’t that shocked. We’re just waiting to find out how far the Chicago taint spreads.
Kass’ Trib colleague Clarence Page sums it up: “Blagojevich’s troubles will test how well Obama kept his own hands clean on his way up, even as Blago was slipping down.”
If there’s a tough beat cop character in this drama, it’s the Trib. The Tribune Co. filed for bankruptcy last week, but despite tremendous financial pressure the Trib stood by its writers even as they refused to promote a national fairy tale. SP
If there’s a tough beat cop character in this drama, it’s the Trib. The Tribune Co. filed for bankruptcy last week, but despite tremendous financial pressure the Trib stood by its writers even as they refused to promote a national fairy tale. SP
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That there is the difference between the BULL&SORE HBM,and that's why you'll always be a baby-fucker.
Here on this BLOG single handed HBM is the only person who continues to perpetuate the myth of a Chicago Camelot, even the pussy(PBakaBP) wavers these days. Of course he posts daily-kos shit to make the blago-rahmo piss fight look like a non-event, ... Truth be told OREO may not make it to Jan 20, 2009.
We could end up with Biden being Prez, and still have Rahmbo be chief of staff, Hello AIPAC.
Then look at our BULL, this year they got $5M big ones for a free-lot they got from HOLLERN.
HBM must sleep very sound at night knowing his BULL-SORE is a tit he can suck for years to CUM.
What's the DIFF between Chicago & BEND?? THE DIFF is Chicago has a functional PRESS.
BEND has nothing functional, other than bad mob character actors.
Kool-Aide for sale, only people who think OREO is the messiah need apply.
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Obama, Blago and 'The Chicago Way'
Posted: December 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
We were approached "pay to play." That, you know, he'd raise me 500 grand. An emissary came. Then the other guy would raise a million, if I made him [Senate Candidate 5] a senator.
~ Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (discussing the Chicago Way on FBI wiretaps)
As Barack Obama, other sundry Democrat politicians and their willing accomplices in the liberal media scurry around like a pack of alley rats in a dark corner disturbed by a flashlight, I can't help gloating just a little bit. I mean, who in America is really surprised by the recent criminal charges brought against Rod Blagojevich, the embattled governor of Illinois who up to a few days ago was a good friend and a close political ally of President-elect Barack Obama?
Since I lived and worked in Chicago for several years (1994-97), I understand the milieu of Chicagoland and am familiar with "The Chicago Way." What is this phenomenon? Think a Midwest version of "Tammany Hall" – the legendary corrupt Democratic political machine in New York from the 1790s to 1960s.
The Chicago Way is any person, politician, businessman, children's hospital or entity within the boundaries of the state of Illinois that wants to do business in Chicagoland. You've got to: 1) know the right people, and 2) pay the right people. Basically, that's how business and politics are conducted in Chicago. If you don't like it, then Chicago may not be the city you want to live in.
So far, the public has heard about three minutes out of over 300 hours of FBI wiretaps of conversations Blagojevich had with "emissaries" from President-elect Obama's administration and at least five different Chicago politicians or political appointees who wanted the governor to appoint them to Obama's vacated Senate seat. The asking price: $500,000 to $1 million, said the good governor, to perform his constitutionally mandated legal obligation.
The state of Illinois is not alone in this business. Presently, David Patterson, the governor of New York, is publicly entertaining numerous "bids" for Hillary Clinton's vacant Senate seat since her acceptance of the secretary of state post with Obama, including from JFK's daughter, Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg, who has absolutely no quantifiable experience for the Senate except for having a pretty smile, co-authoring a couple of books and graduating from Harvard Law School. … Oh, yes, and she's a Kennedy.
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a staunch Democrat, last Thursday on Neil Cavuto's show admitted that when Sen. Arlen Specter was diagnosed with cancer last April 15, which turned out not to be terminal, that day Gov. Rendell said, "I received five calls to my office saying, 'I want that seat!'" Disgusting indeed. Forget the fact that Sen. Specter gave Rendell his first political job, but to paraphrase the great rock star Tina Turner, "What's loyalty got to do with it?"
Information on the FBI wiretaps indicates that "Senate Candidate 5" was Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and that somehow Jesse Jackson Sr. may have somehow been involved, perhaps as an emissary. Both Jacksons now have lawyers and refuse to comment publicly on their association with Blagojevich's Senate-seat selling scheme. As more and more details of the FBI wiretaps are revealed, you can believe that many more Chicago politicians and Obama associates will need personal legal counsel.
Who tipped off the feds? Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois congressman and Obama's chief of staff? What about Eric Holder, a Clinton retread and Obama's choice to be attorney general, whose insertion teams have become privy to all ongoing federal cases of President Bush's Justice Department that Holder will soon head?
Furthermore, it seems like U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald's ongoing investigation was interrupted too soon, before a larger net could be cast to catch more Chicago/Washington, D.C., alley rats. Why was the trigger pulled so soon? Perhaps Obama and his minions saw the handwriting on the wall and as his coronation, I mean Inauguration Day approaches, wanted to stop the FBI's investigation before it got too close to Obama the Messiah.
In a revealing Wall Street Journal article on the Blagojevich scandal, an interesting sequence of events took place Monday Nov. 10 in a marathon two-hour conference call between Blagojevich, his wife, his chief of staff, John Harris, an unnamed adviser, Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, his original pick to take over his Senate seat, and "various Washington, D.C.-based advisers." Who were these mysterious people from D.C.? Was Obama in the loop? I believe he was.
I think it's safe to say that, except for the most dedicated Obama Kool-Aid drinker, the bloom has left that rose. Obama knows that he is neck-deep into the Blagojevich seat-selling scheme; after all, it is Obama's Senate seat that is for sale. Obama didn't defeat the Clinton machine, the Republican Party and raise almost a billion dollars in private campaign contributions by being naive and not paying attention to every detail.
Obama knew full well what was going on, and being true to form he treated Blagojevich like he did his sainted grandmother who raised him, the racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the slumlord/convicted felon Tony Rezko and terrorist Bill Ayers – when the political heat got too hot, Barack does the Obama Shuffle and throws them all under the bus to avoid tainting his Messiah-like image. Meanwhile, the liberal media and the Democrat Party dutifully give Obama political cover. Thank goodness the American public can rely on the alternative media like WorldNetDaily and conservative talk radio to keep this vital story alive.
Remember Chicago is the land of Al "Scarface" Capone and bare-knuckle Democratic politics that oftentimes resort to savage Mafia tactics to get things done. What are these tactics?
* The Mafia would send one of their henchmen to a business owner and say, "You need protection; we can provide protection for you for X dollars per month. If you don't pay us, if you don't pay on time, you're going to lose a lot business."
* The Democratic Party tells Wall Street, tells the home mortgage industry, tells America's Big Three automakers and tells conservative talk radio (through the so-called Fairness Doctrine): "You need protection; we can provide protection for you for X dollars per month. If you don't pay us, if you don't pay on time, you're going to lose a lot business."
To most people of goodwill, these outrageous Mafia tactics we see played out in Chicago politics today are truly disgusting, but to the movers and shakers in incestuous Chicagoland, people like Rahm Emmanuel, who took over Blagojevich's congressional seat, David Axelrod, a Chicago insider going back 25 years to his days as a key adviser for Mayor Harold Washington, Jesse Jackson Jr., son of civil rights icon Jesse Jackson, Valerie Jarrett, former deputy chief of staff for Mayor Richard Daly, Barack Obama and all his other Chicago cronies, it's "pay to play," it's payola, it's business as usual, it's … The Chicago Way!
That will be a moot point if Blag blabs! ... The BLAG is a dead man walking the OREO MACHINE will take him out!
Beside figuring out how he'll weasel out of his recent arrest - and probable conviction - for trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder, I wonder if the disgraced governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, is contemplating the fates of Lee Harvey Oswald, Alexander Litvinenko, Vince Foster, Jim McDougal and Ron Brown - all of whom were summarily disposed of to keep them from talking.
Oswald, we know, was shot by Jack Ruby, a smalltime Dallas nightclub owner with suspected ties to the Mafia. The death effectively cemented the government's case against the odd loner, and precluded any of the theories that tied Fidel Castro or the New Orleans mob or other numbers of people to being implicated in JFK's assassination.
Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian State security service, turned dissident and writer. After he accused his superiors of assassinating the Russian tycoon Boris Berzovsky, he was arrested but eventually fled to England, where he wrote two books antagonistic to the former USSR. In 2006, he died from radioactive polonium-210, suspected of having been administered by the KGB.
The deaths of Foster (chalked up to suicide), McDougal (chalked up to a heart attack) and Brown (chalked up to a plane crash) joined a long list of mysterious deaths - known as the "Clinton body count" - that took place before and during the Clinton administration.
Foster was found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Virginia on July 20, 1993. There was a curious absence of blood at the scene and the forensic photographs disappeared. Rumor had it that the conscience-stricken Chief White House Counsel was on the verge of testifying against the president over a scandal involving the Children's Defense Fund.
McDougal was found dead on March 8, 1998, ostensibly of a heart attack, while he was in solitary confinement in an Arkansas jail, having been convicted of 18 felony counts that had to do with bad loans made by the bank he owned, Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan. He and his wife Susan were financial partners with Bill and Hillary Clinton in real estate dealings that led to the Whitewater scandal. During the case, prosecutor Ken Starr asked for a reduced sentence for McDougal because he was cooperating in the investigation.
Brown, a former DNC Chairman and Clinton's Commerce Secretary, was scheduled to testify in a campaign-finance scandal related to one of his employees, James Huang, who had been a multimillion-dollar fundraiser for the Democrats but was also suspected of funneling money from the Chinese government to the Clinton campaign. In the first week of April, 1996, Brown delayed testifying to travel to Bosnia-Croatia for a trade mission. The plane crashed and all 34 people aboard were killed. Subsequent investigations found a hole in Brown's head, which appeared to be made by a bullet. But the X-rays were stolen (sound familiar?) and the theory that he was murdered because he planned to testify against President Clinton went nowhere.
The Lesson: Dead Men Don't Talk!
Is the self-serving, wheeling-dealing Blagojevich now shaking in his boots as he realizes that the same dirty politics he's been playing for years, with the same thugs and hardball players like convicted felon Tony Rezko, domestic terrorist William Ayers, master manipulator Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and shakedown artist Jesse Jackson - all part of Mayor Richard M. Daley's Chicago Machine - will deal with him in the same draconian ways they've dealt with so many others? After all, the Chicago "body count" is formidable in its own right.
Will Blag promise prosecutors that he'll sing like a canary to save his own hide? Come to think of it, will Rezko?
According to writer Larry Johnson, "Rezko provided the prosecutors information used to build the case against Blagojevich." Johnson goes on to say: "Barack Obama is not sleeping well tonight... I doubt that David Axelrod is sleeping well either...Axelrod had close ties with Blagojevich. He ran his first campaign for the House. He very well may not see the inside of the White House as a Senior Advisor... Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI could be sitting on some other tapes/wiretaps that are damaging to Obama. We also do not know what Rezko is saying at this point nor do we know what Blagojevich and Harris will spill...This scandal is not going away."
If so, is Blag not worrying about a stray bullet or the American version of polonium-210 or a "suicide" notice or untimely "heart attack"? And is Obama not worried that his house of cards will come tumbling down?
WHY BLAG SHOULD BE QUAKING
Prosecutors of the investigation- led by U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald - have called Blagojevich's actions "a political corruption crime spree." Fitzgerald himself called the breadth and depth of charges against the governor "sinister" and "staggering." FBI taps revealed that Blag planned to sell Obama's senate seat for campaign cash, cushy jobs for himself and his wife, and perhaps being named a cabinet secretary in the Obama administration. The following is a tiny sample of the 76-page criminal complaint against 52-year-old Blagojevich and his 48-year-old Chief of Staff, John Harris. These are words Blag was caught saying on wiretaps:
* "I've got this thing and it's fxxking golden," he said about his prerogative of appointing a new senator. "And I'm just not giving it up for fxxking nothing. I'm not gonna do it."
* "is there a play here, with these guys, with her" [his wife] to work for a firm in Washington or New York at a significantly better salary than she is making now?
* Blag wanted to know whether the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) could do something to get his wife a position at Change to Win [seven unions with six million workers] until he, Blagojevich, could take a position there.
Blag discussed the open Senate seat during a two-hour conference call in which various individuals participated....
* In the call, he mentioned the Senate seat and the dynamics of a new Presidential administration with the strong contacts that he had in it, and asked: "Can [the President-elect] help in the private sector...where it wouldn't be tied to him?"
* Said that the consultants (Advisor B and another consultant believed to be on the call at that time) were telling him that he had to "suck it up" for two years and do nothing and give this "motherfxxxker [the President-elect] his senator. Fxxk him. For nothing? Fxxk him."
* After being told by Advisor A that a "President-elect...can do almost anything he sets his mind to," Blagojevich said that he would appoint "[Senate Candidate 1 [ostensibly Valerie Jarrett, Obama's first choice, and now his Senior Advisor] . . . but if they feel like they can do this and not fxxking give me anything . . . then I'll fxxking go to [Senate Candidate 5]." Note: Candidate 5 is now known to be Jesse Jackson, Jr., currently a Representative from Illinois, who represents the southeast suburbs of Chicago].
* Asked an Advisor(s), on November 11, 2008, whether "they" (believed the President-elect and his associates) could get Warren Buffett and others to put $10, $12, or $15 million into the 501(c)(4) organization. Advisor A responded that "they" should be able to find a way to fund the organization."
* Blagojevich and Harris conspired to demand the firing of Chicago Tribune editorial board members for editorials critical of the governor in exchange for state help with the sale of Wrigley Field, the Chicago Cubs baseball stadium owned by Tribune Co.
Not too subtle. In fact, a prosecutor's dream! And why was Michelle Obama obliquely named on page 64 of Fitzgerald's lawsuit against Blagojevitch, as PajamasMeida has reported?
WHY OBAMA MUST BE QUAKING
I haven't mentioned David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Obama's 2008 presidential campaign and recently appointed Senior Advisor to president-elect Obama. He, too, is a longtime operative in the Chicago Machine. But I have mentioned Blagojevich, Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Jackson, and Daley.
Who is missing from this picture? C'mon... guess!
Of course, it's Obama himself, the man who recently dodged a bullet of his own when, last week, the Supreme Court passed on a petition to declare him ineligible for the presidency by virtue of his having failed to produce an authentic, verifiable birth certificate that attests to the fact that he meets one of only three criteria of the U.S. Constitution for the job, namely that he be a natural-born citizen of the United States. Note: Another suit is due to be heard by Justice Scalia on 12.12.08, and several other suits are pending.
What, if any, is the connection between Obama, the convicted felon Rezko, and the soon-to-be-convicted Blagojevich?
On November 23, David Axelrod was asked by a reporter on a Fox affiliate in Chicago if Obama had expressed a preference for his Senate replacement.
"He has not. I know he has talked to the governor," Axelrod said. "There's a whole range of names, many of which have surfaced. And he has a fondness for a lot of them."
But the minute Blag's indictment hit the news, Axelrod said he "misspoke."
Misspoke? In such detail and with such intimate knowledge? As they say in my New York environs: Gimme a break!
James Taranto from the Wall St. Journal wrote: "One of these statements is false, but which one?"
As writer and editor of Newsmax Magazine, David A. Patten, has outlined, the roots of the Blag-Obama-Rezko relationships are long and deep.
* Obama's ties to Blag run primarily through Chicago slumlord and felon Tony Rezko.
* Rezko helped both Blag and Obama rise in Chicago and Illinois politics.
* Obama himself has credited Rezko with helping to his political career.
* Rezko raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for both Blag and Obama.
Rezko was Obama's second-largest individual contributor when he began his run for an Illinois state Senate seat in 1995.
* Rezko was one of Obama's biggest contributors when he ran for U.S. Senate in 2003 and 2004, and he was a member of Obama's campaign finance committee.
* In 2005, as news began to spread that federal authorities were investigating Rezko, Obama bought a house in Chicago's Kenwood neighborhood for $1.65 million. Rezko's wife, Rita, paid $625,000 for a lot adjacent to Obama's new home, and the two deals closed on the same day. Seven months later, Rezko's wife sold one-sixth of her lot to Obama for $104,500.
* In March 2008, Obama said Rezko had raised up to $250,000 to help underwrite his prior campaigns in Illinois - a much higher figure than had previously been reported.
What what are Rezko;s ties to Blagojevich? Patten reports that:
* The FBI says between June 2001 and August 2004, Rezko raised over $1.4 million for Blagojevich's political campaigns, according to the Los Angeles Times.
* Rezko hosted Blagojevich's first post-election party at his mansion.
* Rezko's June 2008 trial on corruption strongly implicated Blagojevich. Blagojevich allegedly discussed a state job for a donor, after that donor wrote a $25,000 check for his campaign. During the trial, prosecutors maintained that Rezko routinely arranged shakedowns while serving as a top Blagojevich adviser.
* In all, prosecutors said, Rezko squeezed various companies for some $7 million in kickbacks. Following his conviction on 16 counts of fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery, Rezko said federal authorities tried to pressure him "to tell the wrong things" about Obama and Blagojevich. The Sun-Times reported prosecutors pushed Rezko to cooperate in the corruption probe against Blagojevich.
So now we know why both Blag and Obama should be quaking. The arrested governor and the president-elect have been connected at the hip for decades!
One e-mailer wrote: "Blagojevitch is bloodless, resentful and ruthless - and a loose cannon! He could very well spill a whole lotta beans on both of the Obamas, in exchange for a lighter sentence from Fitzgerald. He's only out for himself, and if he can shave five years off of a probable 10-year sentence in federal prison by giving up explosive information on the Obama duo, he might just do it."
And, as David Nason has written in The Australian: "The longer this takes, the more the world will learn about the rotten political culture from which Obama has emerged and the more tainted his January 20 inauguration will be. But whatever short-term discomfort Obama might feel from a shakedown merchant stupid enough to get caught on a wiretap, it's a walk in the park compared with the dangers ahead. This was clear when Fitzgerald...made pleas yesterday for anyone with information about corruption in Illinois to come forward. Not satisfied with getting the Governor, Fitzgerald intends to use the Blagojevich scandal to peel back whatever other layers of political corruption in Illinois he can find. Right now, the president-elect is clear. At his press conference, Fitzgerald said there was no evidence of misbehavior from Obama...It will all come down to where the concentric circles around Blagojevich and Obama overlap, but if his past record is any guide, this is where Fitzgerald, who already has the scalps of terrorists, Mafia kingpins and the likes of Conrad Black to his name, will be at his most aggressive."
But one blogger was not so measured: "Barack Obama is now part of a cover up. He needs to be hauled before Congress and made to swear under oath...under the penalty of perjury. These are the same things which got Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton in trouble."
THE HILLARY FACTOR
"What do the Clintons have on Obama?" asks Obama supporter Camille Paglia. "I must admit to puzzled disappointment with his recycling of Clinton era veterans, who reek of déjà vu. ...Obama's team may have underestimated the labyrinthine personal interconnections and habit-worn loyalties of that cliquish crew...both Clintons constantly view the world through the milky lens of their own self-interest.
"Given Obama's elaborate deference to the Clintons," Paglia continues, "beginning with his over-accommodation of them at the Democratic convention in August, a nagging question has floated around the Web: What do the Clintons have on him? No one doubts that the Clinton opposition research team was turning over every rock in its mission to propel Hillary into the White House. There's an information vacuum here...."
Indeed, it is well known that Hillary is a good friend of Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania attorney who brought the first birth-certificate lawsuit against Obama. Coincidence?
And is it only me who thinks the timing of Blag's arrest - after a three-year investigation! - is another "coincidence"?
More than one e-mailer has suggested to me that another of Obama's acolytes, Rahm Emanuel - the Illinois Congressman who succeeded Blagojevich in the House and is now Obama's Chief of Staff - may have leaked the Blag scandal to the FBI. But why would he do this? At the Clinton White House, he was initially a senior advisor, then Assistant to the President for Political Affairs, and then Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy - all lesser positions than the position he has now.
Why? Because loyalty runs deep. As one blogger put it: "I seem to recall Mr. Emanuel was working for the Clintons a few years ago. I guess it pays to have a Deep Throat in the White House if you are Hillary Clinton just waiting for the phone to ring with the words, `Madam President, are you ready for your close-up now?'"
Could we be witnessing a Clinton coup? Why have Obama's cabinet and staff choices been overwhelmingly comprised of Clinton-era leftovers? What do the Clintons have on Obama?
If Obama survives the birth-certificate scandal and the Blag scandal, what other December or January Surprises - intended to sabotage his presidency - can we expect? And who will be pulling them out of her hat?
That will be a moot point if Blag blabs!
MORE BUSH THAN BUSH, WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED??
Strangling Dissent, Muzzling Whistleblowers
by Dr. Dennis Loo
Two news/story items came across my desk in the last couple of days that share something vital in common even though they look on the surface like opposites. The first concerns a Washington Post Op-Ed by Matt Miller, Senior Fellow with the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, and ex-Clinton OMB official. The second is news about universities like Penn State and Temple that are encouraging students to lodge complaints against their professors for being “one-sided” or bringing up material not “germane” to the course.
In the Post Op-Ed, Miller calls for the Obama administration to ban any “kiss and tell” books from White House insiders, making serving in the administration the equivalent of omertà, the mafia’s code of silence, for five years after leaving the administration.
The universities in question are inviting, indeed, proudly institutionalizing, student complaints against the universities’ principal employees and the lifeblood of the university, the faculty.
So on the one side we have an attempt to silence and on the other an attempt to get people to speak up.
These two items imperil what still remains of openness in American society. First, some details.
Writes Miller in his Post piece entitled “A Prenup for the West Wing:”
“Barack Obama should simply require key advisers and officials to sign a binding contract of confidentiality as a condition of employment. Aides should pledge not to disclose anything they see until, say, five years after their boss leaves office.”
He goes on to state:
“[T]his [is not] the same as post-White House advocacy urging an administration to change policy direction -- something that I and other White House alums have done, and which has in some cases made sitting officials unhappy. In addition, there are rare but legitimate acts of conscience by officials that led them to resign and speak out (something that did not occur in McLellan's [sic] case, which rendered his appeals to duty unpersuasive).
“No, when top presidential aides [he names George Stephanopoulos or Scott McClellan specifically] kiss and tell, it's uniquely troubling.”
I can appreciate Miller’s disdain for those who have cashed in and his sentiment that the high officials should have resigned and spoken out instead of waiting, for if they had spoken out at the time it much more likely would have made a difference. Scott McClellan’s revelations of the Bush White House manipulating intelligence to justify the illegal war on Iraq would have been much more useful if he’d spoken out when he was being instructed to lie by the White House. Over a million lives wasted that have resulted from our invasion could have been saved.
Better late than never. I am glad that McClellan finally spoke up. It is a good thing, not a bad thing, that his conscience bothered him.
It’s good, not bad, that McClellan revealed dirty secrets, secrets that were no secret to those of us who were saying it all along in the anti-war movement. But the fact that an insider revealed it carries a great deal of weight. It makes this country’s leaders’ deceit all the harder for their ardent defenders to refute and dismiss as the ravings of malcontents. I don’t care whether McClellan made a bundle of money for doing it. I don’t even care what his motives are as long as he’s telling the truth. I’d happily trade the money he made for the hundreds of billions spent on this immoral and unjust war.
As for Stephanopoulos, Miller’s right, the man’s clearly his own biggest fan. But just because he thinks the world revolves him is no reason to lower a wall of secrecy around the White House even thicker than what already exists. Miller’s advocating promised silence as a condition for serving in the White House extends the trend that Glenn Greenwald correctly decries as the increasing non-accountability surrounding the executive branch (and the government more generally).
As Barbara Bowley reveals at length in her chapter “The Campaign for Unfettered Power: Executive Supremacy, Secrecy and Surveillance “ in my book, Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney:
In May 2006 USA Today revealed that since 2001 the NSA has been illegally and covertly collecting a massive database of calls placed by tens of millions of Americans. In May 2006, shortly after this startling revelation, Bush nominated Gen. Michael Hayden to be the new CIA Director. As NSA chief from 1999 to 2005, Hayden oversaw that agency’s massive, illegal surveillance. During his confirmation hearings, Hayden refused to publicly answer any probing questions about this surveillance, continuing to claim against all evidence that he and the NSA were abiding by the law.
December 14, 2008
Senate scandal snares Obama’s chief aide
THE bullish, foul-mouthed but effective Chicago arm-twister Rahm Emanuel has come under pressure to resign as Barack Obama’s chief of staff after it was revealed that he had been captured on court-approved wire-taps discussing the names of candidates for Obama’s Senate seat.
Emanuel’s presence at the heart of the scandal threatens to roil the president-elect’s administration as a Chicago prosecutor builds his corruption case against Rod Blagojevich, the Illinois governor.
Blagojevich has been accused of plotting to sell Obama’s Senate seat - which is in the governor’s gift - in return for financial and political favours.
Republicans are salivating at the prospect of tying the president-elect to the notoriously corrupt Chicago machine in which he forged his career. Grover Norquist, an influential conservative tax reform lobbyist, said: “If Obama wants to be squeaky clean, he is going to have to cut all his Chicago friends loose. His chief of staff has fingerprints on the murder weapon.”
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Emanuel ducked out of view last week, avoiding reporters’ questions and complaining of harassment and “death threats” as the news spread that he was the likely unnamed adviser cited by the FBI with whom the tainted Blagojevich hoped to bargain over the appointment.
For the “No Drama” Obama team, the spiralling controversy has been an alarming distraction in the midst of the US economic meltdown. Obama has yet to release a promised timeline of contacts between members of his transition team and the governor's office, while Emanuel is thought to be consulting lawyers.
Ed Rendell, the outspoken governor of Pennsylvania, said the Obama team was bungling its response. “The rule of thumb is: whatever you did, say it and get it over with and make it a one-day story as opposed to a three-day story,” he said.
Private telephone discussions between Emanuel and John Harris, Blagojevich’s chief of staff, began as early as the weekend before the November 4 election, the Chicago Tribune revealed yesterday. Emanuel let it be known that Valerie Jarrett, an Obama adviser, Tammy Duckworth, a wounded Iraq war veteran, and two other candidates would be “acceptable” to Obama.
Emanuel had further talks with the governor’s office after the election, during which he added another name to the list. It does not appear that Emanuel engaged in any illegal horse-trading - Blagojevich complained at one stage that all the president-elect’s team was offering was “appreciation”. “F*** them,” the governor said.
Jarrett, Obama’s first choice as senator, was swiftly named a senior White House adviser to Obama after Blagojevich complained, according to FBI transcripts, that he was not going to “give f******” Jarrett the f****** Senate seat and I don’t get anything”.
However, questions remain over what Emanuel said when and how much he know about the governor’s “pay to play” scheme. He may have been fully aware of what Blagojevich was attempting. At one stage the governor told an aide that he wanted an unnamed “president-elect adviser”, thought to be Emanuel, to help “raise 10, 15m” for a charitable group, which the governor could head.
Did Emanuel receive the news, and if so, how? Did he report his suspicion of illegal activity to the FBI or did he treat it just as a normal part of wheeler-dealing in the corrupt Windy City? And did he use the same four-letter language to discuss the succession in the same crude terms as Blagojevich?
Obama once joked at a charity “roast” that the notoriously crude Emanuel - who was elected to Congress in Blagojevich’s old seat - was rendered “practically mute” when he lost his middle finger in an accident.
“When you are Rahm Emanuel and you use the f-word all the time, it is supposed to be cute and amusing,” Norquist said. “When the governor of Illinois gets caught, people say, ‘Oh, he’s crazy’, and the proof that he is crazy is that he talks like Rahm Emanuel.”
Obama faces a stark choice. Emanuel was his first apppointment as his chief of staff after the election. If he were to throw him out of the inner circle now with his reputation under siege, it would be a singular act of disloyalty before the transition team has even had a chance to take office.
Emanuel has not yet resigned as a member of the House of Representatives for Illinois, although he has pledged to do so. Obama had to work hard to persuade Emanuel, who had his own independent power base in Congress and a semblance of normal family life with his young children, to join him in the most intensive, high-pressure job in the White House.
However, the scandal is lapping at Obama’s own ankles. Blagojevich is a product of the entrenched graft and corruption that have characterised Chicago’s style of government since the days of Al Capone, the prohibition-era gangster.
He is being investigated by Patrick Fitzgerald, 47, a fearless prosecutor who brought down Scooter Libby, Vice-President Dick Cheney’s neoconservative adviser, and Conrad Black, the media baron.
Fitzgerald is a much-resented figure among Obama’s advisers. David Axelrod, the Chicago mastermind behind Obama’s campaign, once complained: “He goes after fleas and elephants with the same bazooka. At some point there is a line . . . where you begin criminalising politics in its most innocent form.”
Obama is himself embroiled in a sub-plot of the scandal with uncomfortable connections to Blagojevich, even though the president-elect said last week that he was “appalled” by the governor’s actions.
As Fitzgerald widens his inquiry across Chicago, witnesses will be lining up to talk – if only to save their own necks. Harris, who has been accused with his boss of planning to sell the Senate seat, resigned last Friday, prompting speculation that he intends to cooperate with federal investigators.
Ominously for Obama, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the property dealer and fixer who helped him to buy his $1.65m house in Chicago by purchasing an adjacent plot on the same day, has also been talking to investigators in an attempt to reduce a prison sentence following his conviction for fraud and bribery. Rezko is expected to be a key witness in the corruption case against Blagojevich but he also knows more than anybody about the house purchase and other deals with Obama.
When the house came on the market, the seller insisted that both plots were sold at the same time. But while Obama bought his part of the property for $300,000 under the asking price, it has emerged that Rezko’s wife not only paid the asking price for their slice of land – $625,000 – but that the extra piece of property may have been deliberately overvalued.
A valuer who made an initial lower estimate, only to be overruled, is believed to be giving evidence to Fitzgerald’s team.
Rezko also appears to have helped Blagojevich with his domestic affairs. Investigators have been trying to find out whether he charged the governor for $90,000 worth of improvements to the family room and deck of his house.
The governor’s wife, Patti Blagojevich, a Lady Macbeth figure who may face charges herself for encouraging her husband to behave corruptly, received $47,000 in commission from a property deal involving Rezko.
In a further disturbing connection, Rezko regularly supplied Blagojevich with a “clout list” of names of people he thought the governor should appoint to state boards and jobs.
Obama made use of Rezko’s clout list on at least one occasion, when he recommended that Eric Whitaker, an old Harvard friend and doctor, be hired as director of Illinois’s public health department.
Whitaker, Obama said, “had expressed an interest in that job. He did contact me, or Tony contacted me, and I gave him a glowing recommendation because I thought he was outstanding”.
Fitzgerald made it clear that Obama is not a target of investigation. Emanuel is thought to be free from any threat of charges. But that will not be the end of the matter.
Re: Are you saying that everything that BP posts here is from daily=kos??
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No, but that was too good to pass up.
Besides, WorldNetDaily? Huh?
Why not just post something from WeeklyWorldNews?
Besides, Homer finally posted something new.
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