Monday, July 9, 2007

Bend June 2007 -- Prelude To Disaster

By my mark, June 2007 will mark The Beginning of The End for Bend real estate.

Well, not really. It will actually mark the middle of the end. The true beginning of the end began in September 2006 with medians at $380,500. I don't believe we will hit this figure again in the lifetime of many Bendites.

But like most cults, the cult of Bend RE has various gradations of true believers. Hearken back to early 2006, and you would have found "real fringe nutjobs" like BEM & I raging against the machine on his original kickbutt blog. There were a few fence-sitters who listened to our ramblings about how "this cannot stand". But the VAST MAJORITY were of the Kool-Aid consuming ilk, and professed the idea that 30+% yearly gains were not only possible, but really the only realistic outcome in a Paradise like Bend. Through much of 2006, BEM and I were statistically challenged, and could show little validation for our thesis. Sure, inventory was going up, but that led to reassurance of "choice" and many other buyer friendly chants. The Bulls were well and truly in charge.

Then, round about October 2006, there was a distinct and rather surprising cool-down. Inventory came off the Summer highs, but sales fell off more so. Prices even fell off. There seemed to be rumblings of a crack in the market, which converted some of the true believers, but not many. The signals were still too "mixed".

From October until May of this year, there has been an almost Epic Waiting For Godot. "Have we bottomed out, and absorbed enough for a run at new highs?". "How will Spring go, should I list & will buyers show?". "How will rates, and easy financing affect sales, and is Bend immune?"

To be honest, there has been no clear cut trend. Inventory went ballistic, but the commensurate drop in prices never materialized. There was a huge drop in overall dollar volume -- near 50% -- but if you could sell, you weren't taking a beating on price. And so it's been with the Bend RE market for the past 3 quarters. To paraphrase Vivian Merciers' characterization of Waiting For Godot, Bend RE has been a play where “nothing happens, twice."

I think the confusion ends now. David Foster offers this as his first line in his June 2007 "Crystal Ball" section:

The June statistics offer few surprises, as the Bend market is continuing to adjust much as expected.

In some measure, he is right. Things seem to be just continuing a long trend of lessening the boil. There have been ups and downs, but the one thing that's stayed constant for 3 quarters has been the slowdown. No real catastrophe, no real booms to the old tops.

But there's the rub. Now, RIGHT NOW, was supposed to mark Our Ascendence To All Time Highs And 30%+ Gains For Life, was it not? June 2007, from the perspective of last November, was supposed to be characterized by dancing in the streets and all manner of Utopian real estate fueled splendor. But that is NOT the case. Sales volume has fallen off almost 50%. The Dream Is Over. We waited, and it is NOT HERE.

Here's a graph that roughly demonstrates where I think we are, using the NASDAQ as a parallel.


The True, mega, all-time top, I believe happened last September, with medians hitting $380,500. Since that time, there have been a series of peaks and valley's, with nothing really conclusive up or down. I think May gave a truly strange anomalous performance that just served to confuse many. The culprit was a small number of extremely expensive homes getting sold, in a particularly slow month. So May had this paradoxical nature of lousy volume, but seemingly firm prices. Not conclusive, at all.

But I think we are seeing something akin to the "right shoulder" that ushered in the catastrophic decline of the NASDAQ that started in the 2nd half of 2000. In less than 3 quarters the NASDAQ began a breathtaking plummet from the mid 4,000's, down to 1,600, an unparalleled drop never seen before by any major market in modern history. This is where I believe Bend real estate is today.

Obviously I do not think Bend RE will suffer a drop of similar proportions. That said, I didn't think the NASDAQ would get clocked from 5,050 down to almost 1,000. I don't think anyone did. But I do think we are entering a New Phase: The Next year or two will eradicate COMPLETELY the True Believers, and The Fence Sitters as having any hope whatsoever, that we will see prices that eclipse the old highs substantially & forever. I think we'll see price and volume action that clearly telegraph the message, IT IS OVER to all involved, much like it was telegraphed by the NASDAQ when it plunged towards 80% declines.

Why?

Look at June 2007 data. And remember this period in time is supposed to be The Savior of the temporary softness that started last Fall. From David Foster:

The average sales price dropped from $426,655 YTD in May to $418,229 YTD in June. The median YTD sale price also decreased from $351,900 to $349,250 in June and is now 1% less than at the first of the year. As compared to June 2006 (YOY), the average sales price has increased 5% and the median increased just 1%.

If you look at David's May summary, you see there were 691 sales at an average of $426,655 (median $351,900). From June, you see 850 sales at $418,229. These are both YTD figures, so backing out June only shows 159 sales at an average of $381,610. Here's a progression of David's YTD figures:

March: AVG $408,208 MEDIAN: $349,500
April: AVG $408,162 MEDIAN: $349,250
May: AVG $426,655 MEDIAN: $351,900
June: AVG $418,229 MEDIAN $349,250

Now, it may seem reasonable to say, "Hey, June is just correcting the weirdness of May. Look, we're still above April!". Hmmmm. True, but the start of the year was chugging along with averages and medians that were pretty darn stable in the $400's, and June has slumped to the low $380's. Now, I wouldn't think that's so big a deal, but there is no "Oomph" left in Bend RE. Nobody is buying ANYTHING! Dollar volume DOWN almost 50%? Talk to Realtors: These people eat dollar volume, NOT MEDIANS, and there is no volume in this market.

The Eastside sucks. But the Eastside is on fire compared to the Mega-Suckiness of the Westside! From mstucker on BendBB:

YTD June 30 2007 Median sales price, Bend Residential only, By quad.

NW $450,000
SW $395,000
NE $293,550
SE $325,000

Then from "The Wizard" (Realtor):

Paul-doh! said
I don't know what the monthly medians for Bend residential are

329,500...

Now, look at that quadrant data, and the June medians below $330K. That tells me the West has died. That's a right shoulder, right there.

If there was to be a Happy Face on the RE market here, it was supposed to happen now. Big volume, new SUV's, busy closing's, and all that good stuff. We do not have that. We have a financial sector that is increasingly becoming terrified of exactly the instruments that got us here, subprime, CMO's, and the like. Now it's OK when Grama loses money on this stuff, but we got Big Boys getting their asses fired over billion dollar bets gone bad in the mortgage backed department. It's not as bad as BendBust (or whoever) says, in that we are about to lose 40X Global GDP... but it is not good.

CMO (Collateralized Mortgage Obligations) are basically mutual funds, backed by mortgages, but there's a twist: The payout of interest is chopped, sliced, and diced, so that that there can be "manufactured" obligations from very high quality/low yield, to high risk/reward investments. Like all things, risk has it's price, and the prospect of making 12% by buying the high risk tranche is pretty attractive. But what they're finding is the default rate on the lowest grade tranches has been underestimated: Yup, when you lend money to people with nothing in the pot themselves, they don't really give a rat's ass about defaulting. And they did.

This is all well & good, but that Cletus tranche sort of acted like an insurance policy against upper tranches getting their ratings beaten down. Cuz once Cletus defaults, they start taking interest payments away from us "normals", then all of a sudden Alt-A that was supposed to be insulated from EVER losing money, looks like BBB. Woof, and BBB is worth WAY LESS than the AA we thought we were getting.

And when Merrill tried to liqudate their "collateral", they got what many Bendite homeowners are now getting: Few bids they would even consider, but what's worse they got ZERO bids on some of their mortgage pools. NADA.

Now, I'm not sure where they are, but the Big Boys are essentially saying there are homes out there with ZERO capacity to produce ANY INCOME. They do not want them at any price. That is scary. And I don't think it'll happen overnight, or even in a straight line, but Bend is the Quintessential Mega Bubble Town Of All Time. We're like many of the craptacular NASDAQ bubble stocks: We have not nearly the income to substantiate our current asset prices (homes, and RE). We are MASSIVELY overbuilding on all fronts. The access to capital is being turned off, at least for a generation of buyers. And we are building just laughable, idiotic projects. Every possible avenue to waste our resources is being explored to the fullest. Water parks, Frodo-village, condos piled up in every corner, and lately, even developers threatening to purposefully build UNWANTED projects if they don't get their way! Thanks Mountain Gate...

So here we are. Doesn't seem like catastrophe is imminent. But look back in 3-4 years. You will be awed by the complacency, even your own. This IS IT. This is the right shoulder of a breathtaking plunge that will carry us into the $200's. There will be a MASSIVE asset liquidation tsunami coming. At first it'll be garage sales and big SUV's. That'll be the signal, the receding waters that perplex & confuse people. Then will come wave upon wave of forced liquidation. There is no escaping the singular fact that we are a real live town (not Aspen, not Jackson Hole) with the economics to support home prices far closer to $199K, than $399K.

MARK MY WORDS: Let the devastation begin. The 4 Horseman of the Bend RE Apocalypse are coming. There is NO OTHER OPTION. We have already witnessed medians fall from $380K to $330K, and few are even mildly worried. Complacency is always in tremendous abundance before The Plunge. It actually makes the plunge possible. The complacent Discretionary Seller, becomes the Panicked Sell-At-All-Costs seller we'll see at the bottom, after they lose their job. We will see medians in the $200's before year end.

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Anonymous said...

Predictions for 2007, made in May 2006. Given that economics is the debate and nothing has been said in a few days about the subject. Let's look at the expert prediction for this year, and compare how it has unfolded versus expectations.

There are SO many its hilarious, how about "Prineville will become an international rail hub??" With LesSchwab cutting & running is this possible? Why would the trains go there? To disassemble homes and transfer them to China?

Metolius Meadows will become a huge resort? Is this going to happen? Are we really going to KILL the GOLDEN GOOSE .. "The Environment" So condo whores can get richer?

Madras & LA-pines will become Bend-like in international tourist appeal? How much money did this guy invest there?


Please read some of this shit, note that this was written 2-4 months before the RE peak, thus this is irrational pep talk by one Bend primary condo-whore pimps. Still its a good read. I really think for IHTBYB's next post that all predictions be compared to reality.

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All signs lead to growth Central Oregon economic executive says

By Anna Sowa / The Bulletin
Published: May 25. 2006 5:00AM PST

The first business will break ground in Bend's Juniper Ridge in late 2007 and, in 2008, Redmond Airport will offer flights to Phoenix and Las Vegas, and Prineville will be a regional rail-shipping hub.

Those are some predictions that Roger Lee, executive director of Economic Development for Central Oregon, offered Wednesday during a round-table discussion at Oregon State University-Cascades Campus in Bend.

Like all predictions, Lee said his economic forecast is subject to change, particularly events' timing. But there's no doubt Central Oregon will continue growing, he said.

"Our challenge is to see these things coming and help Central Oregon be a balanced, holistic community," Lee said.

Looking into his economic crystal ball, Lee predicts:

* Jefferson County will announce its first destination resort in the Camp Sherman area in the fourth quarter of 2007;

* The first private tenant in the Juniper Ridge development in northeast Bend will begin construction in late 2007;

* La Pine will incorporate in 2008;
What region's economic development executive predicts

* The first private tenant in the Juniper Ridge development will begin construction in late 2007
* Bend's Urban Growth Boundary will expand and the city's average home price will exceed Seattle's in 2009
* La Pine will incorporate in 2008
* The Redmond Airport terminal will triple in size, with added flights to Phoenix and Las Vegas in late 2008

* Prineville will become a regional hub of rail-shipping and off-loading that same year;

* The Redmond Airport terminal will triple in size, with added flights to Phoenix and Las Vegas in late 2008;

* A third destination resort will open in Crook County in 2009, with the county's assessed property values doubling from 2006;

* Bend's Urban Growth Boundary will expand and the city's average home price will exceed Seattle's in 2009; and

* Madras and La Pine will be jazzed-up versions of their former selves in 2010, moving from what Lee calls small, agriculture-based towns to cities with attractive, lively downtowns and new industries.

Growth predicted by Lee is reflected at OSU-Cascades, said CEO Jay Casbon.

Casbon said the college is investing in its hotel and hospitality program to tap into industries thriving from the region's growth.

Other possible programs include aerospace engineering, journalism and pre-medical.

The college is increasing its programs to deal with high enrollment and is nearly outgrowing its facility, Casbon said.

"We have room for two more years, at best," Casbon said. "We have to ask ourselves, 'Where are we going?'"

Casbon said the Juniper Ridge development project may offer space for higher-education facilities, but he didn't say OSU-Cascades would move to the proposed 1,500-acre development.

Like Casbon, Lee sees education as part of what will keep Central Oregon's economy strong in the future.

Lee also reviewed economic trends already occurring in Central Oregon:

* 10,000 people move to Central Oregon each year;

* Central Oregon residents ages 25 to 45 are increasing at twice the rate of the state and other large metropolitan areas;

* 9,000 babies were born in Central Oregon last year;

* Central Oregon has created more jobs than all major metropolitan areas in Oregon in the past five years;

* Central Oregon added $7 billion in assessed real estate valuation in the past six years and EDCO expects that figure to double in the next three years; and

* Industrial land in Bend is 30 percent to 40 percent more expensive than in Portland.

Lee sees Central Oregon as a gold mine of opportunity for industry and advancement, but recognizes the problems associated with the rapid growth.

The area's work force is not keeping up with the number of jobs being created, housing costs are swelling throughout Central Oregon, water allocation is a problem and transportation will get worse locally and regionally as more people move in, he said.

Problem-solving starts at the local and regional level, Lee said.

Anonymous said...

* Central Oregon has created more jobs than all major metropolitan areas in Oregon in the past five years;

{ What is this really saying? CO is the busiest part of a state that the average American cannot place on a map. }

* Central Oregon added $7 billion in assessed real estate valuation in the past six years and EDCO expects that figure to double in the next three years; and

{ RE is dropping like a rock, 20-30 years of inventory. }

* Industrial land in Bend is 30 percent to 40 percent more expensive than in Portland.

{ Industry is leaving PDX, and thus a vacuum is created, but this is more about tax problems. The same kind of tax problems that Bend is currently creating.

When RE flippers could make desert land worth $1.6M an acre why would anyone allocate precious desert land to industry?

Why compare industrial land in PDX and Bend? PDX has deep water ports, its on a Freeway system north/south & east shipping. PDX has a world class airport and rail system. What does Bend have for industry? A view?

How in the hell can you compare "ASPEN" with Portland? When it comes to industry? Certainly the REAL Aspen has more expensive 'industrial' land than Portland also, is this newsworthy?

Anonymous said...

The area's work force is not keeping up with the number of jobs being created, housing costs are swelling throughout Central Oregon, water allocation is a problem and transportation will get worse locally and regionally as more people move in, he said.

( We need more better trained people for Walmart, Costco, and the new Trader-Joes. )

Problem-solving starts at the local and regional level, Lee said.

( Let's understand this a tourist town has problems? problem solving starts at the local level? Original? Huh? )

Anonymous said...

1/2 billion a year from tourism, Bend has the best marketing & promotion taxpayer money can buy.

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The national attention has extended the advertising reach for the region, said Justin Yax, public relations director for DVA Advertising & Public Relations in Bend.

The increased editorial exposure may not prompt people to pick up and move to Bend, but it could bring more people to visit the area, Yax said.

Visitors fuel a tourism industry whose impact on the Central Oregon economy is estimated at $498 million a year.

DVA, which worked with Bend writer Tim Neville and Outside's editorial staff on content for the article, contracts with the Bend Visitor & Convention Bureau to promote tourism for the city.

"It reaches a demographic that most other advertising efforts don't reach because of a limited budget," Yax said. "Most of our advertising efforts don't go nationally. This is how we reach the national travel audience." The three-quarter-page article in Outside would have cost $71,720 as an advertisement, Yax said.

Recent media attention has translated to more business for Sunnyside Sports, which rents and sells bicycle and cross-country ski equipment and gear and has been located in west Bend since 1972.

"The Outside magazine has been rating Bend highly for years, so we don't pay as much attention as we used to," said Don Leet, co-owner. "But there are more tourists who come into town that rent bikes and mention the articles. We definitely noticed."

DVA WORK EARNS HIGH MARKS AT ANNUAL AWARDS SHOW
The results are in, the polls are closed, the ballots have been counted and the decision is final: DVA was a big winner at the 2007 Drake Awards, which recognize the best in Central Oregon advertising over the previous year.

In addition to the coveted People’s Choice Award, which recognizes the year’s best work as voted on by our industry peers, DVA’s work won two Drake Awards, nine Gold Awards, 10 Silver Awards and 10 Bronze Awards.

Following is a list of awards. Congratulations to everyone involved, and thank you to all of our clients for putting your trust in DVA.

PEOPLE’S CHOICE AWARD
Cascade Festival of Music: Promotional poster campaign

DRAKE
Cascade Festival of Music: Promotional poster campaign
BendFilm: Radio campaign (Entered by Tim Underwood Studios)

GOLD
BendFilm: Free Range Film Series radio
Cascade Festival of Music: Promotional poster campaign
Cascade Festival of Music: Non-traditional seed packets
Cascade Festival of Music: Mixed media campaign
Cascade Festival of Music: Street banners
The Colony at Bandon Cove: Sales collateral package
The Colony at Bandon Cove: Logo
Felt Bicycles: “Blur” print advertising campaign
Portland Timbers: Non-traditional sidewalk stencils

SILVER
BendFilm: Oscar Party advertising campaign
BendFilm: Oscar Party poster campaign
Carrera Motors: Audi sale mixed media campaign
Cascade Festival of Music: Magazine ad
Clear Choice Health Plans: Welcome packet
The Colony at Bandon Cove: Website
Felt Bicycles: “Where will it take you” print ad
Kah-Nee-Ta: “X” outdoor campaign
Portland Beavers: Non-traditional peanut bags
St. Charles Redmond: Grand opening radio

BRONZE
BendFilm: Television campaign
BendFilm: Festival passes
BendFilm: Oscar Party invitation
Cascade Festival of Music: Logo
Kah-Nee-Ta: “X” magazine campaign
Kah-Nee-Ta: Annual Report
Portland Beavers: “National Anthem” newspaper ad
Portland Timbers: Coventry newspaper ad
St. Charles Redmond: Grand opening direct mail
St. Charles Redmond: Grand opening newspaper ad

DVA Scores National ADDY Gold®
After winning five awards in the regional competition, DVA has gone on to win a National Gold ADDY® from the American Advertising Federation for their “Hidden Soccer Balls” entry. The promotion involved hiding soccer balls at various locations throughout the Portland area to create awareness and excitement for an exhibition soccer match between the Portland Timbers and the Sunderland Black Cats of the English Premier League. They were printed with the phrase, “YOU JUST SCORED. Show this ball at the PGE Park Box Office for two free tickets.”

“It’s great to be recognized by our peers for creative originality, and to be mentioned alongside the likes of DDB, Foote Cone & Belding, Saatchi & Saatchi, Leo Burnett and Goodby Silverstein & Partners,” said Ted Pate, creative director. “But outstanding creative is nothing if it doesn’t motivate action, and we take great pride in generating real, measurable results for our clients which this promotion surely did.”

DVA’s award was one of just 62 Gold ADDY’s awarded nationwide. Selected from a pool of more than 60,000 entrants and 1,635 national finalists representing the advertising industry’s top work for 2005, DVA was the only Oregon agency to receive a National ADDY® Award. According to results posted at http://www.aaf.org, they were also the first Central Oregon agency to ever win a National ADDY®.


DVA Hired by BendFilm to Promote 2006 Festival
BendFilm has chosen DVA to concept, create and execute all of it’s 2006 marketing efforts. This includes print and broadcast advertising, collateral, national public relations, web site and other related material.

“Bringing all of the marketing efforts under one umbrella gives us the opportunity to build on the success of previous festivals, and to make a splash on the national independent film festival scene,” said Katie Merritt, executive director of BendFilm.

BendFilm is a three-year-old independent film festival that was inspired by the opportunity to open doors for artists, and cast Bend, Oregon as the cultural and economic beneficiary. The 2006 festival is scheduled for October 12-15. For more information, visit www.bendfilm.org.




Felt Bicycles Hires DVA to Produce 2006 International Print & TV Campaign
Felt Racing, LLC, a Lake Forest, Calif.- based manufacturer of road, triathlon, mountain, BMX and cruiser bikes, has hired DVA to concept and produce their 2006 print and television campaign. DVA’s efforts will focus on Felt’s two most prominent product lines—road and triathlon bikes, with the ultimate goal of re-branding and repositioning the company in their current markets across the globe.
The 2006 print campaign will consist of ads in both national and international cycling magazines including VeloNews, ProCycling, Triathlete, Road, and Bicycle Retailer & Industry News. International distributors will also be using the ads to target markets around the world.

In 2007, DVA will broaden the campaign to include Felt’s lines of cruiser and mountain bikes.


Cascade Healthcare Community Hires DVA
In an effort to launch a new look and feel, Cascade Healthcare Community—including St. Charles Medical Center Bend and Redmond—has hired DVA as their primary marketing agency of record.

Goals for the partnership with DVA include developing sub-brands for both Bend and Redmond hospitals, as well as each of their ten service lines. DVA will also be concepting and managing the marketing in support of both brands, as well as overseeing communications and public relations as needed.

Cascade Healthcare Community is a collective group of medical facilities that encourage healthy lifestyles in active communities, with a desire to provide top quality healthcare.



Another Bandonista Added as a DVA Client
Bandon, Oregon’s population isn’t booming but it is the home of Bandon Dunes Golf Resort, one of the world’s top rated golf destinations and a DVA client. This respected trio of golf courses has attracted attention all over the world, and most recently from developers who’ve designed the ideal residential community for golfers. The soon-to-be constructed, shoreline residential community has been named The Colony at Bandon Cove. Because of DVA’s solid relationship with Bandon Dunes Golf Resort, The Colony came to DVA in search of marketing advice, as well as assistance with their branding, identity, web site and public relations.

The Colony at Bandon Cove was designed to attract retired residents who appreciate the beauty of the Pacific Ocean and world-class golf. Each residence has ocean views and is located just a few miles from Bandon Dunes Golf Resort.


DVA Hires Art Director
All the way from New Jersey… Alison Daly. A recent graduate of the VCU Adcenter with an MS in Art Direction, Alison was discovered by co-creative directors, Gary Fulkerson and Ted Pate. She has worked with top national brands such as Bud Light and State Farm, and gained professional experience as an intern at DDB—Chicago. Alison’s undergraduate degree is a BFA in Graphic Design from the Rochester Institute of Technology.

Her travels have taken her all over the world, most recently a trip to India. It was this adventure-seeking attitude and willingness to move across the country to rural Bend that made her a shoe-in candidate as DVA’s Art Director.

Anonymous said...

DVA Advertising & Public Relations is a Bend, Oregon-based agency helping clients manage brands, develop marketing strategies and produce creative solutions ...

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Another interesting thing about DVA is they're also he confidence men for Bandon-Golf, the fly-in golf club for rich people. Best known for having the Bandon citizenry subsidize the richest people in the world.

Given DVA pulled off the public relations on Bandon, then manipulating desert hicks in Bend should be like nuttin.

Certainly given Tetherow and other Bend rich destinations, expect to see the Bend taxpayer subsidize the same shit, and expect to see DVA handle the PR.

Note that DVA has gotten Bend listed #1 for years as being the place to ride bikes, for a few bucks I can get Bend rated as the best whore house in the world.

We have the Old Mill, we have the condo whores, all we have to do is legalize prostitution, and let DVA do what they do best, and Bend really will be a destination.

Rush Limbaugh types can golf during the day, and hangout at the Old Mill at night, and then they can go downtown in the AM and buy fresh $500 silk underwear. Only in Bend.

Anonymous said...

DVA motto: “Rooted in research, driven by creativity and designed to deliver results. We turn vision into profits. $$$ ”

These guys are every bit as interesting as UBS-Warbug/Paine. Here in little desert shit-hole bend you have the richest banker (UBS), and the best-dressed PR-FIRM 'DVA' running the show. Now we know why everyone in Bend is rich.

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DeVeaux Agency (“DVA”), a division of DeVeauxted Enterprises, is a full-service public relations firm providing informative and insightful, yet cutting-edge material to the global entertainment and non-entertainment communities alike. We offer high-level expertise in market and brand identification, distribution and marketing strategies for all types of products and services. In addition, DVA is well calibrated to provide entertainment publicity, marketing, media relations, event planning, consulting, and sponsorship with an emphasis in special markets outreach. In an era where the convergence of technology, marketing and PR is a standard synergy, DVA believes that managing an effective media campaign begins with exploring all possibilities. Therefore, we are committed to thinking outside and going beyond the box.

Widely known as vision brokers and not just public relations specialists, DVA combines creativity, vision and expertise that surpass client expectations to establish a professional legacy unmatched by the competition. As vision brokers and public/media relations specialists, we provide comprehensive business solutions based on informative and imaginative insights.

“Brokers with a vision” is the creed that derives our creative process. It challenges the staff of DVA to analyze client needs, explore opportunities, define goals, and affect public opinion and consumer preferences. By embracing the “broker with a vision” management philosophy, DVA is committed to providing our clients with results-oriented publicity and marketing campaigns that are both unique and individual. Our motto: “Rooted in research, driven by creativity and designed to deliver results. We turn vision into profits.”

DVA consistently achieves big-agency results while offering the personalized attention possible only in a boutique environment. Our capabilities: from pitching, editorial placement and brand/public positioning to event production, marketing and sponsorship, are diverse and complementary, and our proven media and public relation services have been endorsed by executives and individuals in the cinematic, fashion, arts, corporate, legal, and financial arenas. We are an aggressive, strategic public relations firm with our finger on the pulse of today’s news trends and tomorrow’s headlines.

www.deveauxagency.com

Anonymous said...

Lee sees Central Oregon as a gold mine of opportunity for industry and advancement, but recognizes the problems associated with the rapid growth.

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Yes, Bend is just one big cyanide leach pit.

When these guys are done, and have moved on anyone want to bet how many years and how much it will cost to clean the toxic waste up?

Not our "golden goose" of Bend is the environment, and its getting fucked quicker than you can say "DVA".

Anonymous said...

Bend used to be an outdoor paradise and dog friendly area, but between draconian regulations put in place by both the Forest Service, the Bend Parks and Rec Department, and the Bend Police Department, and harsh fines up to $250 for allowing your dog to run off-leash, Bend has become one of the least dog friendly cities I have ever been to. This scenario just doesn’t mesh with our perceived “outdoor lifestyle”.

I think this 'dog-thing' is a perfect example of the old Bend, and the new Bend. The new Bend is about tourism, and its MOSTLY about keeping the locals away from the best places.

I hope all the downtown business people are happy with what you have created. I really for a moment don't think that downtown has become what it has without your explicit approval.

Generally nothing happens without the approval of the Chamber of Commerce.

Yes, a lot of big shot banks have been brought in, and Hollywood PR firms, but when the rubber meets the road, its the Bend Business men themselves that have created the New Bend.

I like this dog issue, because like is said "everything that Bend is supposed to be, it is not", this is class Orwellian-ism. Freedom is Slavery, ... Malls are Wilderness, Parks shouldn't have dogs, fishing holes should be paved, ... Desert land turned into golf courses, ...

Bend is NOTHING what it is marketed as, people might come here for the environment, but perhaps the plan is really to get them downtown to shop, as there really is noting else left, and or nothing else left to do?

I guess with Duncan selling essentially 'escapist' ( comic books ) product this all fits in well with the New Bend.

Anonymous said...

Lee sees Central Oregon as a gold mine of opportunity for industry and advancement, but recognizes the problems associated with the rapid growth.

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The only problem with 'rapid growth' might be the boom & bust cycle, but who has time for slow-growth? Bend Oregon is about get rich quick.

What's Next?

Anonymous said...

Below is a good little story today by the Source, about a report on a corrupt town called PDX. What's most interesting is the 'bad guy' lives in a little town called Bandon, which is Bend by the Sea. Bandon and Bend are both ran by the same bank and PR outfit. ( UBS & DVA )

Note the Source seems to dislike the right-wing CATO Institute, but then again these folks have been battling Goldschimdt king-making machine that ran Oregon, up until just a few years, a group that albeit with goldy gone, is running Oregon just as it always has.

It's most interesting that ALL these folks are fighting over Bend & Bandon the two little places that nobody of heard of that all of a sudden are a policy makers highway to riches.

Lastly, for those that don't know PDX has its own CATO, its called Cascade Policy Institute, a right wing think tank right in PDX.

My feeling is that the wOndering eye, shoudln't wonder-wander to farm from home when looking for corruption and/or story's.


The Source: Wondering EYE
Sunday, 15 July 2007


Did you know that Portland is “awash in corruption, government waste and public discontent”? Did you know that tens of thousands of Portland families have fled for Vancouver, WA and other more hospitable cities? Did you know that Portlanders are groaning under the oppressive heel of a “light-rail mafia”?

If you didn’t, you obviously haven’t read “Debunking Portland: The City That Doesn’t Work,” by Randall O’Toole.

O’Toole, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, a libertarian “think tank,” is a native Oregonian who now lives in Bandon but “has spent most of his life in the Portland area,” according to the front page of his report. And apparently he hated every second of it.

“When judged by the results rather than the intentions, the costs of Portland’s planning far outweigh the benefits,” O’Toole writes. “Planners made housing unaffordable to force more people to live in multifamily housing or in homes on tiny lots. They allowed congestion to increase to near-gridlock levels to force more people to ride the region’s expensive rail transit lines. They diverted billions of dollars of taxes from schools, fire, public health, and other essential services to subsidize the construction of transit and high-density housing projects.

“Those high costs have not produced the utopia planners promised. Far from curbing sprawl, high housing prices led tens of thousands of families to move to Vancouver, Washington, and other cities outside the region’s authority.”

All this, according to O’Toole, was the work of a nefarious “light rail mafia” run by former Portland mayor and Oregon governor Neil Goldschmidt – who, as O’Toole reminds us twice, was driven from public life after it was learned he’d sexually abused a 14-year-old girl – and his “cronies.”

“Portland should dismantle its planning programs, and other cities that want to maintain their livability would do well to study Portland as an example of how not to plan,” O’Toole says in the concluding sentence of his executive summary.

Predictably, conservative and libertarian blogs such as NW Republican and Oregon Catalyst are salivating over O’Toole’s report, but to The Wandering Eye it begs a couple of questions.

One: If Portland really is such a Planning Hell that people are fleeing in droves, why does the population of the city keep growing – and why are home prices going up when they should be coming down? (The old supply-and-demand thing, you know.)

Two: If Portland is a model of how not to plan, what would O’Toole suggest as a model of how to plan? Los Angeles? Houston? Phoenix?

Anonymous said...

O’Toole reminds us twice, was driven from public life after it was learned he’d sexually abused a 14-year-old girl

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It is a funny story, and worth a repeat. The MOST powerful man in Oregon, the king maker from 1978 to 2004.

The God Father of Oregon, not a buck anywhere didn't get filtered through his pocket, for YEARS everyone knew about the little girl and said nuttin, then one day ... It all came out ...

Hypocrisy wasn't invented by the USA, just perfected.

Anonymous said...

One: If Portland really is such a Planning Hell that people are fleeing in droves, why does the population of the city keep growing – and why are home prices going up when they should be coming down?

( Racism is #1, white folks are fleeing to PDX to get away from latinos in Cali, and bend is the same reason, this is why the racists in Bend bitch about mexicans, #2 is water pdx has lots of water in 10-20 years clean water will be MORE valuable in the USA than petrol, #3 is the environment outside of Oregon it has been fucked, and the fuckers are doing the best they can to fuckup oregon )

Two: If Portland is a model of how not to plan, what would O’Toole suggest as a model of how to plan? Los Angeles? Houston? Phoenix?
( planning has always been a liberal pipe-dream, and conservative nightmare; look at bend, notorious for lack of planning, and look how well it has done )

Anonymous said...

This is a good story about the sub-prime meltdown hitting san diego. How we have many more years of bad times are ahead, and the next worst case scenario is that foreign investor realize that Uncle Sam is himself a sub-prime borrower.

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The worst isn't over in mortgage meltdown

UNION-TRIBUNE

July 15, 2007

When the Standard & Poor's and Moody's ratings services lowered the boom on mortgage-backed securities last week, the second shoe finally dropped on the real estate market.

The first shoe dropped earlier this year, when a bevy of mortgage firms went bankrupt after helping far too many unqualified borrowers buy homes.

With last week's action, two of Wall Street's most respected firms acknowledged that the problems associated with those “subprime” borrowers will be much worse than they previously thought. S&P and Moody's warned they may cut the credit ratings of more than $12 billion in mortgage-backed bonds issued by such respected names as Citigroup, Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch.

In the past couple of months, several large investment funds that loaded their portfolios with mortgage-backed securities have been burned, led by Bear Stearns and Dillon Read. On a much-smaller scale, Brookstreet Securities in Irvine imploded late last month because of an overnight drop in the value of its mortgage-heavy investments.

“Disaster,” “horrible” and “horrendous” were among the words that Brookstreet founder Stanley Brooks used to describe the crash of his firm, which had 730 or so agents nationwide, including about a dozen in San Diego County.


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Richard Eckert, a subprime-mortgage analyst at Roth Capital in Newport Beach, says as much as $75 billion could be lost on mortgage securities because of the subprime meltdown. He said many of the bigger investors would be able to withstand the losses, but smaller investors could be wiped out.

“As I have been writing for years, the biggest losers in the real estate bubble will not be the borrowers who took advantage of easy credit, but the lenders who foolishly underwrote the loans,” says Peter Schiff, who heads Euro Pacific Capital in Newport Beach. “Whether they be unsophisticated clients of small brokerage firms like Brookstreet, or big-time hedge fund clients of Bear Stearns, anyone who owns subprime mortgages is going to lose money.”

Now that the second shoe has dropped, does that mean the worst will soon be over? Not at all. The real estate market is not a two-legged creature. Instead, it's more like a well-shod caterpillar, capable of dropping any number of shoes over the next year or so.

So far, foreclosures have been centered in the subprime market, involving home buyers who would not have qualified for loans under traditional lending standards. Many of those buyers were enticed through “teaser rates” – temporary rock-bottom interest rates. They typically bought their homes using adjustable-rate mortgages, making little or no down payment and paying little or no principal on the loan.

Until the past couple of years, there was enough momentum in the real estate market so that when unqualified borrowers went into default, many of them could still sell their homes for at least a break-even price.

At the peak of the market in 2005, only 13 percent of defaulted mortgages in California went into foreclosure. This year, the number is closer to 40 percent and it seems likely to top the highs of 55 percent seen in 1983, at the tail end of a recession.

The influx of subprime foreclosures will continue to weaken home prices through 2008. S&P now forecasts that by the first quarter of 2008, the typical home price will have declined 8 percent since 2006. That would be the largest drop in postwar history, outstripping the 6.9 percent drop during the recession of the early 1990s.

And that's a national average. In some overpriced areas – such as San Diego County – the fall may be more precipitous. Already, the county has nearly eight months of inventory on the market. The number of homes that have gone into default or foreclosure in the past year has tripled, rising from 842 in June 2006 to 2,564 last month.

“The housing downturn is really knocking the wind out of the San Diego economy, almost totally on its own,” says Scott Anderson, economist for Wells Fargo Bank.

If the rise in subprime foreclosures is the third shoe to drop, a fourth may be a rise in foreclosures of prime and Alt-A mortgages. (Alt-A loans are a step above subprime.) Many of these borrowers took out the same types of risky loans as the subprime borrowers. And even though they have a bit more money to cushion them, many will find it hard to keep paying their adjustable mortgages as interest rates ratchet up.

“There's no doubt that there will be a tremendous increase in foreclosures,” says Bruce Norris, who heads the Norris Group, a real estate investment firm in Riverside. “I'm not being negative, just very realistic. This is a mathematical certainty at this point.”

Norris says that at the top of the market, there were 18 consecutive months marked by a large percentage of adjustable-rate mortgages and other relatively risky loans. That suggests it will take at least 18 months for the problems associated with those loans to be resolved, through foreclosures and “short sales,” in which the borrower sells the home at a loss to the lender.

San Diego real estate adviser Dan Holbrook has carved a niche for himself by holding seminars to tell real estate agents how they can profit from short sales.

In a recent letter to agents, Holbrook said the “next wave of distress” will come as certain adjustable-rate mortgages and negative-amortization loans adjust, “rocketing payments above levels many consumers can afford. The majority of these loans will adjust in the next 6-24 months.”

Some voices within the industry say that San Diego will have enough demand for houses to keep prices relatively high. But Wells Fargo economist Anderson punctures holes in that notion.

Anderson notes that the growth rate for employment in the county has been slowing since it peaked in the late 1990s. In 1997 and 1998, local payrolls were growing at close to 5 percent per year. In contrast, for the past five years, local jobs have been growing less than 2 percent per year. This year, Anderson says, jobs will grow only about half a percent.

Similarly, local population growth has become increasingly sluggish, partly because the high home prices have discouraged people from moving in. Each year since 2003, more people have moved out of San Diego than have moved in from elsewhere in the country. Anderson projects that trend will continue at least through 2008.

Theoretically, the slowdown in jobs and population should have slowed the demand for housing, softening prices. Instead, prices went sky-high and home building did not reach a peak until 2003.

Why the disconnect? Blame the collapse of the dot-com revolution. When Wall Street tanked in 2000 and as dot-com stocks went down in flames, investors began seeking new places to park their cash. Some invested in real estate, snapping up second homes in popular places like San Diego and Florida. Others invested in mortgage-backed securities, keeping mortgage rates dirt-cheap.

“Is it any wonder house prices rose so high when Wall Street allowed so many people to gamble with other people's money?” Schiff says. “If borrowers actually had to put their own hard-earned money down, they would have thought twice before committing themselves to mortgages they could not afford. But once Wall Street took all of the risk out of real estate speculation, there was no reason not to roll the dice.”

Now that the dice have come up snake eyes on the housing market, other shoes will probably be dropping soon. Retail sales, which are plummeting at places like Home Depot and Sears, seem likely to decline further as defaulting home buyers cut down on their big-ticket purchases. In June, retail sales excluding gasoline fell 0.9 percent.

If retail sales continue to fall, adding to the declines in construction and real estate employment, unemployment could start to rise. The Norris Group's latest real estate market report presents a feasible scenario in which unemployment in California rises above 8 percent, compared with its current level of 5.2 percent.

Schiff says the biggest shoe to drop will come if foreign investors – who have been losing money on mortgage-backed securities – begin pulling out of the United States in general.

“It will not be long before our foreign creditors realize that Uncle Sam is the biggest subprime borrower of them all and will similarly mark down the value of its debts,” he says.

Anonymous said...

"I own property near Flagstaff, and its cheap..."

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I beg to differ. I lived in Flagstaff for 24 years, left in 1999, return 1-3 times /year to visit and do river trips.

I looked through several real estate mags when I was there in April. My impression is that Flag real estate is now at least as expensive as Bend, maybe more expensive.

Flagstaff and Bend are alike in several ways and often compared as outdoor recreation meccas. But Flagstaff has been in drought conditions for 8 of the last 9 years. Many, if not most of the large ponderosa pines in the surrounding forests are now dead. The national forests are typically closed each summer because of fire risk. No biking, no camping, no travel. CLOSED.

The ski area has no snow making and has struggled for years. I started skiing there in the mid-70's, patrolled many seasons up to early 90's. It was increasingly rare to have a good winter. The last few years have been truly awful (with one good year). They are trying to get permission for a scheme to use reclaimed water to make snow. How does that sound? I predict the ski area will close permanently sometime in the next few years.

Aside from the Colorado River and Lake Powell (which is 50 feet below full pool, 44% of capacity) there are few if any bodies of water on which to recreate anywhere near Flagstaff. The Verde River sometimes flows in the spring, but is otherwise a tiny creek in the blazing desert. Aside from Powell there are other desert reservoirs several hours away, if you are into that kind of thing. I'm not.

Oak Creek Canyon and Sedona are nice to visit, and offer some decent biking. The Grand Canyon, and southern Utah canyon country are truly unique, no doubt about it. Could be a reason to move there for some. I still love it but I've spent many, many years knocking around there, so the novelty has worn off some.

Overall, Bend offers a MUCH more diverse and extensive array of outdoor rec opportunities than Flagstaff. Better biking, better climbing, way better skiing. The the water-based recreation is barely comparable it is so much better around here.

Flagstaff does have a university- a huge plus no doubt, for the cultural activities and student support infrastructure such as slightly more affordable eateries. But it is a tourist town as well, so food prices aren't that much cheaper.

When the weather cooperated (good winter snow, good summer monsoon rain) Flagstaff was a great place to live- good skiing and nice summers. But global warming is seriously affecting the region in ways that make it much less attractive, and these changes are though by scientists to be the norm for the foreseeable future.

In short, I miss my river subculture, and also the college vibe, but I don't miss the town a whole lot. It is just too fucking DRY. You think it is dry around here, go visit northern Arizona! Bend has considerably better biking, reliable and much more diverse skiing, endless places to explore in the Cascades, and vastly better water recreation. It is also only 4 hours from the coast, and three hours from Portland- a city that is about 10 times nicer than the hellhole of Phoenix- as Ed Abbey put it "a little cancerous piece of LA that someone planted in the desert and added water to."

Just my $.02

Anonymous said...

State of Oregon has too many schools for population. State has less children going on to college in Oregon. A trend likely to remain.

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Chancellor aims to sustain investments in higher ed

George Pernsteiner says funding will attract top faculty

STEVE LAW
Statesman Journal

July 16, 2007

It was a bleak period for the chancellor's office when Gov. Ted Kulongoski lured George Pernsteiner back to Oregon in 2004 to become chancellor of higher education.

Lawmakers had slashed staff and funding for the chancellor's office, and state money for higher education was slipping. The system lacked a permanent chancellor since Joe Cox retired in mid-2002. Kulongoski's other choice to rejuvenate the system, former Gov. Neil Goldschmidt, had just resigned as higher education board chairman after his past sexual conduct with a 14-year-old girl came to light.

But Pernsteiner stuck it out, and was instrumental this year as lawmakers enacted a historic increase in student financial aid, sparked a construction boom on university campuses and boosted state spending for the Oregon University System by 22 percent.

The Statesman Journal interviewed Pernsteiner at the close of one of the most successful legislative sessions ever for higher education in Oregon.

Question: What does the 22 percent increase in state operating funds mean for students, faculty and the seven universities in the system?

Answer: It means that we can hold tuition down to increases that are no greater than the increase in Oregon family income. It allows us to pay our faculty more, which will allow us to be more competitive in attracting and retaining top faculty. It allows us to reduce the size of classes, which have become some of the biggest around. So I hope that retention and graduation levels will be rising over time.

Q: The state coffers are experiencing a record surge in money the past couple years. Do you fear the universities will once again be defunded when the economy sours?

A: Obviously we're concerned about that, but I think we've set in motion this session what I hope is a change in that philosophy. I think people recognize that the competitive advantage of the state is dependent on investments in education, including post-secondary education, and I'm hopeful that we'll be able to sustain those in future biennia. Those states that have been successful in using higher education as an economic engine have had those investments made year after year.

Q: State spending supplies about one-fifth to one-third of state university spending, depending on how you calculate it, so an increase of 22 percent doesn't mean the whole system grows anywhere near that.

A: In fact in the past biennium about 16 percent of our total resources came from the state. My hope is that number's going to go up to around 18 percent. The important thing about the state money isn't just its share of the total. It's monies that can be used flexibly to educate students. Federal grants, for example, can be used only for the specific research purpose for which they were awarded. The same with financial aid and student housing and dining money. Of the monies that are available for educating students, about a third of it comes from the state.

Q: Lawmakers authorized a record $561 million on new buildings and construction improvements on the seven campuses. What will that buy?

A: There's about $90 million to deal with deferred maintenance problems. That will allow us to stabilize and maintain some buildings that otherwise probably couldn't have continued. Lincoln Hall at PSU is perhaps the most striking example of that.

There's about $50 million to do the regular repair of buildings, which is twice what we've usually got. That will keep us from increasing the maintenance backlog. You're dealing with things that come up, rather than allowing them to sit there and rot away before we get around to fixing them. There are specific investments in very targeted academic buildings, such as health care at Oregon Institute of Technology, or specific science initiatives to build research capacity at University of Oregon and the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State.

There's new room for science students at PSU, which are up 54 percent in the last five years. That's why PSU has been running labs at midnight on a regularly scheduled basis.

Q: Why are campus classrooms, dorms and other facilities so important as you compete for students these days?

A: If you don't have the labs for students to get hands-on experience, you're not going to have students studying science and engineering. Scientific research can be very facility-intensive, both for equipment and buildings. It's really what America's competitive advantage is built on right now, that leading-edge scientific research. With regard to residence halls, let's take PSU. They're now attracting students right out of high school or community college, who are younger and a more traditional age than PSU has served in the past. Part of it is to deal with changes in society that focus on wanting to have nicer facilities than when we went to college. A lot of it is just capacity.

Q: What about Western Oregon University?

A: Western got three projects. They got a deferred-maintenance project to deal with the Humanities and Social Sciences building, that will basically keep it functional. The second is to convert the state police academy building into one for business and math because of the growth in those disciplines. And they got a new residence hall. John Minahan has put Western on a growth course that involves a lot of people from out of the country or out of state. Monmouth doesn't have a lot of apartments, particularly for people from outside the area.

Q: Lawmakers revamped the state's financial aid awards, or Oregon Opportunity Grants, and now have more than doubled their funding over a four-year period. What will that mean for students?

A: It's an important step that the state made this time, essentially a compact with students and their families, that college will be affordable. The shared-responsibility model says that if you work, and your family provides what the feds think they ought to be providing, and you get the federal grant aid which you are eligible, that the state will make sure that you have enough money to go to school. It's important for students in middle school, a critical age when students begin to decide if they're going to go to college or not. If they can believe at that time that they can afford to go to school, they're much more likely to do so.

Q: In-state undergraduate enrollment declined this year for the first time in recent memory. Are you worried about that, or is that just a blip, not a trend?

A: I am worried about it because it continues a trend of the last few years of an erosion of the proportion of the high school graduating class that goes on to either the university system or anywhere in post-secondary education in the state. That's why we hope with the investment that the Legislature made this time that we'll be able to get the message out to students who will be high school seniors next year that the state is investing in their futures.

Q: Oregon higher education funding has plummeted more than in any state since the 1990 property tax limitation. Yet the system has resisted calls for structural reforms, such as consolidating programs or even closing a campus, and even added a new campus in Bend. California has 10 times our population but only four times as many four-year universities. Oregon has more four-year colleges for its population than Washington. Is there a failure of political will here to adjust to the funding realities in Oregon?

A: I don't know that restructuring saves you money. At the time of Measure 5, the system eliminated about 100 academic programs. The cost of administration is lower here than it is almost anywhere else, so we do things in an efficient fashion.

When you're trying to increase the number of students and the number of graduates, do you do it by closing campuses? I suspect not because you still need to provide access in all the corners of the state. One of the problems we've got is only about half as many students in rural parts of the state go on to college as do in the urban parts of the state. If you eliminate the campuses in those parts of the state, how do you then build the educational level in those areas beyond where it is now?

Q: What are the next goals for the system for 2009-11?

A: The board of higher education had a 10-year plan that it believed was essential to make Oregon and Oregonians competitive in post-secondary education. And what we'd like to do is go to years three and four of that plan.

This was an important session, because it dealt with affordability, it dealt with opportunity and it dealt with reinvestment. The real key for Oregon's success in the future will be to sustain that momentum another biennium.

Anonymous said...

Ed Abbey put it "a little cancerous piece of LA that someone planted in the desert and added water to."

>>> Bend - Oregon

Anonymous said...


I looked through several real estate mags when I was there in April. My impression is that Flag real estate is now at least as expensive as Bend, maybe more expensive. MR AZ


My wife looks at those pretty real estate mag's also. By the time that stuff gets in those it's been on the market for years, usually over-priced dogs.

The good stuff is always the stuff by word of mouth or hoof.

By hoof I mean getting out of your car and talking to locals, spending some time getting to know people who know people who have land to sell on contract. There are some very good deals, I'm talking $500/acre or less.

The entire corridor of Prescott to Sedona is the second MOST over-priced after Bend in America. Thus its going to fall, just like Bend.

I hate Sedona because its $5 to park your car.

I do think that Flagstaff is special.

I hope you didn't mean you raft 3 times a year, because you can only get a permit once every ten years by lottery. The price of a commercial trip is now $4k, which would be $12k/yr to float down the river.

The reason that Flagstaff was brought up was the subject of nice little desert college towns. I guess we eat different food, I like pub food, and I find that the nightlife is fantastic in Flagstaff.

The other similar thing to me between Flagstaff & Bend is timing, I remember back in the mid 80's Flagstaff was a dirty little high-mtn town, cold as hell in the winter. Bend was the same way at that time, just a quiet little town. Both have become hot spots in the 90's with lots of investment. Very similar.

WRT to closure JUST hold on, they're already talking of closing ALL central-oregon national-forests to Motorcycles, and bikes will be next. You currently can no longer ski with your dog in the winter around Bend, in the summer you cannot hike. Closures come where ever there is MONEY and where ever the new rich folks want the old white trash locals to stay out.

Just like Sedona on the north side where you now have to pay $5/day just to park your car on the road in order to hike or swim in the canyon south of Flagstaff. The same exact SHIT is coming to Bend.

Closures are the future. Permits and high costs are the future, get over it, like you said in Flagstaff you can head up to Utah and be free, and likewise in Bend you can head out towards Burns to be Free.

The point of the original thread was that Bend would be quite nice if there was a college like Flagstaff has where our Old-Mill Mall currently is-is.

Anonymous said...

"I own property near Flagstaff, and its cheap..."

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The original subject here was Juniper Ridge, and about building world-class campuses in the desert.

There are only a few Flagstaff was mentioned, as a nice little campus in a desert town similar to Bend. If I remember right, UofAZ-North (Flagstaff) is most known for party and football.

The only good little desert school that I can think of is Socorro, NM.

Given that the 'news' today has put a death-warrant out on Oregon higher-ed, I think we an assume there will be no Bend University in our lifetime. Unless of course the population does tenfold,... but thats another story, and not likely to happen for a long-long time.

Is Flagstaff cheap? If you stay away from the little tourist magazines, and get to know some old timers that that want to sell off a little land on contract under the table so they don't get hit up on taxes, yes very cheap.

Northern Arizona has many people that are completely off the grid. Like that movie "Tremors" a few years ago its a very accurate description of Northern Arizona Locals.

Sadly Bend is a very different story, Bend is more about shit eating yuppies and old timers trying to learn about wine so they can talk like them. Comparing Northern Arizona and Central Oregon is a completely different animal.

The reason is that BOTH are largely southern cali transplants. The difference is that the MALL people moved to Bend, and the people trying to get away from MALL's moved to Northern Arizona. Thus, the two places a very different mindset. Then there are the weekender's that come up from phoenix, which of course is LA. These are ALL MALL people, generally Northern Arizona folks hate their southern neighbors. Just like No-calis despise So-calis.

Then there is Bend a beautiful place of beautiful condos and beautiful people selling them. A place that all magazines describe as #1, a place where a large portion of the taxpayer base is used to pay these magazines to say these good things. Indeed Bend is a beautiful place.

The difference between Bend & Arizona is that the folks of North-Arizona are armed to the teeth, and if politicians squandered money in No-AZ, the way they do in Bend, well ... You just to have to watch Tremors.

Central Oregonians have always been a bend-over and take it in the ass kind of people. Why? Its not really clear. Fear? Isolation? Greed? Exceptional-ism? What we do know is that change is happening so fast that most of the old time central Oregonians don't even know that things have changed.

Anonymous said...

There are some very good deals, I'm talking $500/acre or less.

I was primarily talking about houses in town, not bare land out in the sticks. At the price you cite, I would guess you are talking about areas a ways out of town, probably east of town. East of east bumfuck, we used to call that area- where the wind howls 366 days per year. You are also probably going to be hauling water.

I’ll admit that the best deals are to be found under the radar, houses or bare land regardless. But I think I got a pretty good feel for the local market- remember I lived there for 24 years. I do know a few people, some of whom are in real estate.

I hope you didn't mean you raft 3 times a year, because you can only get a permit once every ten years by lottery. The price of a commercial trip is now $4k, which would be $12k/yr to float down the river.

Yes, I’m familiar with access issues and how expensive commercial trips are. I could not afford one. I worked as a guide for many years. I take researchers down the river now and do a private trip about once every ten-fifteen years.

I remember back in the mid 80's Flagstaff was a dirty little high-mtn town, cold as hell in the winter.

It’s still cold as hell in the winter except nowadays, it doesn’t snow. Just blowing dirt and dust for about 5 straight months. I’m a huge fan of winter, was a fanatic skier for decades, but in my book 10-30 degrees and windy, without any snow for months at a time is SHITTY weather!

WRT to closure JUST hold on, they're already talking of closing ALL central-oregon national-forests to Motorcycles, and bikes will be next.

WRT to national forest land being closed to motorcycles, couldn’t happen a moment too soon. And ORVs are even worse because they need what are basically small roads rather than trails. A pox on the landscape driven mainly by fatass rednecks too lazy to get into the backcountry under their own power. And with 5 orthopedic operations over the past 25 years on three different parts of my body, I don’t buy the argument that ORVs are needed so people with disabilities can get out in the wilds.

WRT bicycles, I don’t think this is going to happen anytime soon. Bike tourism is an important part of the mix for Bend, and while bikes have their impacts, per capita they are a fraction of motorized recreation. Regardless of the extent to which the local tourism board influences write-ups about Bend in mags such as Outside, Bend is rightfully known for world class mountain biking, and the trail system is getting better all the time. Trails here and there might be closed due to conflict with hikers or horses, but overall I predict mountain bike access to remain good, or even improve over time.

WRT to a college- I agree that adds a lot to the vibe in Flagstaff. I miss college town amenities a lot. Prineville has taken some getting used to after living in Flagstaff and other college towns my whole life up til now.

Anonymous said...

I don’t think this is going to happen anytime soon. Bike tourism is an important part of the mix for Bend

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The motorbikes you can hear coming and basically have an hour to hide or clear off trail, these days whether I'm hiking or biking by myself I dread the thought of an oncoming mtn-biker with no warning. They're going as fast as they can, and I have NO IDEA of what they're looking at, it certainly isn't the trail ahead of them.

I get run off the trail almost daily in the Phil's complex. I have had a lot of friends badly hurt being run off the trail. Its exactly like the snow-boarder's on the mtn, the difference is when people get hurt in the woods nobody hears about it.

For the past twenty years since the mtn-bike thing has taken off, I dread hiking in the dense forest knowing that folks are coming down hill in silence with NO intention of slowing down.

I think ALL need their places, the motorcycle people, quads, mtn-bike, hikers, ...

These days @ phil's or wherever you have the joggers, who want it for themselves, the bikers who want it for themselves, the dog people who just don't want to get ran over, ...

I think there's going to be big change and closures in and near Bend very quickly in No-AZ the excuse may be fire, but here in the Bend area the excuse will be the crowds.

Bike tourism is NOT the owner of the forest, they may think they are, but the Forest-Service is mandated for multiple-use, not single use.

Sadly most snow-boarders are out of control and most mtn-bikers are the same folks in a different season, out of control. My guess this what you get when you have lots of 'kids' ( 15-40 ) who are spoiled by their parents. The good news is that with the RE depression coming, times are a-changin,

Why do so many snow-boarders collide with skier's?? Why do so many of the same mtn-bikers collide or drive other mtn-bikers off the trail?

Lastly, since the 'bad' mtn-bikers are really only concerned with fixed objects ( rocks, trees, ... ), what I do is hold my ground, and basically play chicken, they themselves either go off trail or stop. I have found that giving them passage or way, just gives them the chance to knock someone over, and they NEVER look back.

I love to MTN bike, but the whole thing reminds of of Amity and the "JAWS", everybody in this little tourist town is making money on mtn-biking, and nobody wants force any kind of safety, "it might offend the tourists".

Anonymous said...

Prineville has taken some getting used to after living in Flagstaff and other college towns

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You should be within the inner mile radius of downtown Bend, at least you can walk and bike around and people watch, ... Priny?

Priny is just Madras in a hole. I can only imagine what Priny will be like if & when Les Schwab moves to Bend.

Outdoors wise I do like Priny, the Ochocos are close by, and there will be no closure for a long time, the reservoirs have lots or rec. The only problem with Priny is the town.

Anonymous said...

I was up in Tahoe this past weekend. Hard to find a shack under 500K there. Bend is a much nicer and much cheaper place. Neither place has local jobs that support the house prices but that does not seem to matter so far.

Anonymous said...

You should be within the inner mile radius of downtown Bend, at least you can walk and bike around and people watch, ... Priny?

We would have preferred to live in Bend, but I didn't want my wife to have to commute to her agency job here in P-ville. And in hindsight we are VERY glad we didn't buy in Bend when we were shopping in late 2005 near the tail end of the frenzy. Things were/are overvalued here too, but I don't think quite as much as Bend. Time will tell...

Priny is just Madras in a hole. I can only imagine what Priny will be like if & when Les Schwab moves to Bend.

I think Prineville would survive, but it would be a hit. I know the bigwigs are moving to Bend, but its hard to imagine them building a new warehouse etc over there with land prices what they are. I think they will either keep those operations in Prineville, or move out of state if and when they get bought out.

Outdoors wise I do like Priny, the Ochocos are close by, and there will be no closure for a long time, the reservoirs have lots or rec. The only problem with Priny is the town.

The Ochocos are great, but they need a better trail system and maintenance. There are 100's of miles of logging roads, but the amount of blow down on them is huge. There are definitely some Neanderthal aspects to the town and the locals, I can testify to that. But it is changing, gradually, and there is a decent underground of educated, forward thinking people. To be fair, some of the traditional locals are actually pretty decent in a salt of the earth kind of way. But there's also strong contingent of big hat, big jacked up truck, overweight, cigarette smokin, Jesus freakin, dubya lovin tiny minds from out of the dark ages, towing around trailers full of ORVs they probably bought on credit.

And putting all the church names right there on the street signs? What is up with that? Improper mixing of church and state if you ask me.

This would be a really depressing place to be young and single. I am neither so that helps make it tolerable. The almost complete lack of a night life doesn't matter much to me. And Bend is pretty close if we need a fix of the enviro yuppie vibe. The upside to Prineville and downside to Bend is the traffic situation and number of cali dickheads in Escalades and Hummers who brought their lameass driving habits to Oregon.

Anonymous said...

Neither place has local jobs that support the house prices but that does not seem to matter so far.

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Tahoe is close to Reno, there are many good paying jobs there.

Tahoe is a weekend resort for cali's in the bay. There will always be bay people with money.

Bend on the other hand, a lot of cali's that couldn't afford Tahoe said "I'll buy in Bend, and drive 8 hours, instead of 4". Thus now Bend has tons of empty second homes, it all worked when the market was appreciating 30% forever.

In the next 2-3 years things will start to matter, for no other reason than $5/gal fuel will hurt the 8 hr drive.

There will always be MORE disposable cash from the bay-ahrea, than PDX. Bend is NO Tahoe, and never will be, the Tahoe area has skiing choices in the winter, and summer recreation. Bend has an almost bankrupt ski resort, and lots of golf, that has a very short season.

The most well off people in Bend will be those that can soak the tourists of their 1/2 Billion sales in July/August and spend the rest of their time in the highlands of Mexico living the good life.

Anonymous said...

This would be a really depressing place to be young and single.

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YUP, that's my opinion, I'm old and married, but my original young&single exposure to priny a zillion years ago is still there, first impression,... . Forty years ago you could blink driving through priny and miss the town, it was a lot like Sisters.

I can say one thing about Priny and that its NOT a tourist town, do you see them trying to market it as such?

My wife loves priny and always has, I would be bored to death there, I hate the one hour drive via Powell-Butte to Bend. I don't drink & drive, I like walking to the a 1/2 dozen brew pubs in five minutes or less. Does Priny even have brewpub yet? Last time I was there all they had would was one bad Mexican restaurant as you came into town.

Priny does have a lot of auto parts stores, one on every corner. Great place to be stuck when your rig breaks down. Just park at the RV park and your in walking distance to a dozen auto-part stores, and the folks at the RV park don't even question you about why your removing your drive train in the RV spot. Power, water, beer, its all there. I love priny. It's central oregon, the way it all used to be.

Yeh, the jeezus thing has always been big in Priny and LaGrande. Retiree's that love Jeezus, they're good people. Don't worry about red-necks it could be worse, you could be in LA-pines. That said if your not a red-neck or don't try to dress and look like one, then what the hell are you doing there?

Priny's are armed to the teeth, always have been something about guns&jeezus, they go together like beer&pizza. Safe place, the kids might be bored, but your home isn't likely to get robbed, and your not likely to get mugged on the street.

Traffic, yes I agree there aren't enough cars in Priny to create the mess in Bend . Bend is cali where they go to the store ten times a day, the big SUV's literally never quit moving.

Priny folks freeze everything, most of them only need to go to the store monthly at best, and then it would most likely be Costco or Walmart to FREEZE-UP.
This is why there are no restaurants there, or traffic. Never has been, never will, these folks are efficient and optimal, no waste of anything.

I would be surprised that MORE Mormons haven't started up there, as keeping two years of food at home is mandated and prinys were doing that before Joseph Smith was born. Priny's are ready for Armageddon and the second coming.

I mentioned LaGrande, because it and Baker are very similar to Priny in terms of the old Oregon feel and attitude. Folks that want to move to Oregon to retire should really be looking there if they want something affordable and quaint.

Anonymous said...

Trails here and there might be closed due to conflict with hikers or horses, but overall I predict mountain bike access to remain good, or even improve over time.

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The trails west and east of Bend were created by motorized vehicles the double track by jeeps, and the single by motorcycles.

The mtn-bikes came much later.

Regarding the blow-down up at Ochoco's, why not carry a chain saw in your rig if you come across it and clear it, that's what we used to do, that's why there trails. Same for motorcycles, there are chain-saw carriers now for motorcycles, so you can clear an old road if you come across blow-down.

On a bike you have no tools, and everything has to be brought in by wheel-barrow.

In summary, if there is a blow-down problem in the Ochoco's don't wait for the government to fix it.

The trails east and west of bend aren't created by the government, they're maintained by users.

The only thing that Government does is shut stuff down, and write tickets, ...

All the old trails that the mtn-bikers love so much are old motor-cycle trails, mrazek trail is just and old motorcycle trail.

COTA creates a few trails these days where motorcycle's have been banned, but there would be no trails if the motor-bikes hadn't made them 20+ years ago.

Motorized equipment will always be around, as there is no other way to get tools into remote areas to do work. It's better to use a quad to work remote areas than an excursion, escalade, or hummer.

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to find my faddder. My mum just said he goes by IHTBYoB in Bem, Or, does anyone know how I can find my fadder?

Anonymous said...

Normally I don't care much about the legal business, as its too complex and convoluted for most loco-yoco. That said when the biggest legal cock in the PNW moves into little Bend, Oregon its time for part-time female impersonators to to say "Tits Up".

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Two Significant Land Use Attorneys in Seattle Move to Schwabe, Williamson & Wyatt

Aggressive Growth Strategy of Firm and the Strength of Local Real Estate Market Prompt Acquisitions that Enhance Practice Group

SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--In the world of land use, a legal professional’s status extends beyond the stature of the supported projects; it encompasses the ability to help clients navigate the legal process, defend properties against legal challenges and keep projects moving forward on schedule.

Recently, two of the area’s top land use attorneys, Curtis R. Smelser and Aaron M. Laing, joined Schwabe, Williamson & Wyatt in Seattle. Both Smelser and Laing are considered significant by these measurements, and bring their exceptional reputations and statewide practices to the firm. They moved to Schwabe from Ryan, Swanson & Cleveland effective July 1, 2007.

Anonymous said...

I can say one thing about Priny and that its NOT a tourist town, do you see them trying to market it as such?

Well sorta- the Chamber of Commerce points to the golf course- (kind of a joke since; I'm not a golfer but there are obviously better courses in the area) the reservoirs and the Ochocos. They also point out that Prineville is "how the rest of America used to be" which appeals to some I suppose. There seems to be an influx of hunters in the fall.

Does Priny even have brewpub yet? Last time I was there all they had would was one bad Mexican restaurant as you came into town.

Brew pub is a topic of discussion with my crowd. I think P-ville could support a small one, or at least a place that sold tap Deschutes beer and pub food. I like to cook and think about opening such a place sometimes...yeah that Mex place coming into town is lame, worst service I've seen in awhile.

Restaurants: We buy Tacos Morales takeout 1-2x/wk, a little hole in the wall in the Ray's/Rite Aid shopping center towards the east end of town. Owners are a crackup and food is good. There's another Mex place going in, I think its part of a Bend chain. New pizza place just south of the new Starbucks (!!) is pretty good, far cry from Cinnabars- the worst pizza I've had, ever. Barney Prine's is the best semi-upscale place, not very trendy but they are trying. We go there pretty often- good steaks, prime rib, seafood (had some great sea bass there last Friday) and OK happy hour. Recently remodeled and pretty nice place. The Iron Butterfly (sheesh, why that name?) serves yuppie coffee and decent wanna be yuppie style lunches inside a home decorating store on Main Street. Dillon's is new, workin the cowboy theme, their "cook your own steak" business plan lasted about two weeks, now they offer regular semi-lame service and surprisingly good burgers...only place in town (besides the grocery store) that I could get an IPA. Then they quit carrying it- I asked why; waitress told me "IPA is GROSS". Customer isn't always right I guess...Tastee Freez serves buffalo burgers, right on the main drag, they could work the retro American Graffiti/Happy Days theme if they gave enough of a shit to fix their neon sign. We tried the local Chinese MSG Palace once, won't be back there anytime soon. Sandwich Factory makes pretty good, ah, sandwiches.

Yeh, the jeezus thing has always been big in Priny and LaGrande. Retiree's that love Jeezus, they're good people. Don't worry about red-necks it could be worse, you could be in LA-pines. That said if your not a red-neck or don't try to dress and look like one, then what the hell are you doing there?

Jesus is fine as long as no one tries to cram him down MY throat, or bring his opinions into the workplace, government, classroom or science lab. Some folks here forget that religion is a personal choice.

My blue collar days ended 30 years ago after two years in a MT sawmill, but rowing huge rafts on 2-week river trips and cooking for 30 people was pretty hard work. I wear Carhartts cuz they last a long time, so I sorta blend in I guess. Sometimes I wear em with Birkenstocks or thongs just for the hell of it. I even wear a cowboy hat out in the yard because my skin is shot from so much sun.

Priny's are armed to the teeth, always have been something about guns&jeezus, they go together like beer&pizza. Safe place, the kids might be bored, but your home isn't likely to get robbed, and your not likely to get mugged on the street.

Well I gotta admit we haven't been ripped off at all here, and we were robbed twice in Corvallis, while out of town over xmas.

Traffic, yes I agree there aren't enough cars in Priny to create the mess in Bend . Bend is cali where they go to the store ten times a day, the big SUV's literally never quit moving.

Actually, the main drag clogs up sometimes, pretty often actually. But it is nothing like Bend. Yet.

Priny folks freeze everything, most of them only need to go to the store monthly at best...these folks are efficient and optimal, no waste of anything.

Well its hard to argue with that kind of lifestyle. I can finally some local beef at the not all that bustling Saturday Farmer's Market, run with an iron fist by the local Breese family. There's a lady there selling eggs that are gone by 9:05am, a few wilted salad greens and some funky homemade soap. But its a start. I bought a shopping bag made out of a recycled feed sack for $10, I think I got ripped off, but the guy looked like he could use the money. Buying beef at Ray's that came from some fucking midwest feedlot sure doesn't make any sense when there are 5000 cows right out of town, and a few actually in town.

I would be surprised that MORE Mormons haven't started up there, as keeping two years of food at home is mandated and prinys were doing that before Joseph Smith was born. Priny's are ready for Armageddon and the second coming.

Big new LSD (I mean LDS, or maybe they really ARE all on acid) church was finished this spring. Cue the line from Poltergeist: "They're heeeerrre!"

I mentioned LaGrande, because it and Baker are very similar to Priny in terms of the old Oregon feel and attitude. Folks that want to move to Oregon to retire should really be looking there if they want something affordable and quaint.

You hit the nail on the head- that is the main appeal of this place. But it ain't that affordable anymore, getting closer to Bend and Redmond all the time, especially with those places dropping faster than here. My wife's folks moved from Bay Area to Sierra foothills, been in Cali their whole life. When they visit here they think they are in paradise, similar to their west Texas roots about 50 years ago. Lots of opportunities for hobby ranching. Not sure what else, though, unless Microsoft sets up shop here. But hey, Hewlett Packard moved into Corvallis, so we can dream, eh?

Anonymous said...

The sky is falling in Bend. More bad news from the "BULL".

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Home sales continue decline
Median prices hold in Bend, Redmond


By David Fisher / The Bulletin
Published: July 17. 2007 5:00AM PST

Bend developer Darrin Kelleher says he's still in the market for buildable land in Central Oregon this summer, even though the housing market is "certainly on its nose."

The reason: Kelleher, a self-described optimist, thinks the region will shake off its excess inventory by spring 2009, opening the gates again - the gates, not the floodgates - to new growth.

On the other hand, the market numbers are bad enough right now that even an optimistic developer has to concede that the pessimists might be right about a longer downturn.

"It comes," Kelleher said, "with an element of fear."

In Bend, the region's most expensive market, 1,550 single-family homes without acreage, or homes on less than an acre, were for sale on June 11, according to Bratton Appraisal Group appraiser Mike Caba's tracking numbers, an inventory level that could take 10.9 months to sell if the average monthly sales rates of the first six months of 2007 continue to hold.

The number of houses for sale in Bend alone has risen 27.7 percent since the third week of January, according to Caba's numbers, but price and sales weakness have been evident all year in nearly all of the region's local markets.

In Bend, the median price of single-family homes without acreage sold in the first six months of the year stood at $349,250, or 1.54 percent above the first six months of 2006, according to the Central Oregon Multiple Listing Service. But sales numbers plunged 25.8 percent from the same period in 2006 to 850, dipping to levels not seen since 2003.

Redmond's sales slide was even steeper. Median prices held at $255,000 on non-acreage homes sold in the first six months, according to the MLS, but the city's 298 sales came up 42.9 percent short of the same period in 2006.

Long-term, the nationwide outlook for housing is "upbeat," according to a study released recently by the Joint Center for Housing Studies of Harvard University.

Fueled largely by immigrants and their native-born children, the number of American households is expected to grow by 12.6 million by 2015, according to the Harvard study - about 2 million households more than the nation added between 1995 and 2005.

That, combined with an "enormous growth in household wealth" over the last 20 years, "will help propel residential spending to new heights, the study concluded. But the nation's housing markets will continue to be dogged by price weakness and sluggish sales as long as affordability remains an issue and until current inventory levels, fueled by the speculative frenzy of 2004 to early 2006, dissipate. When that will occur, the Harvard study did not guess.

In Central Oregon, in-migration apparently continues. United Van Lines brought 290 new clients to Deschutes County alone in the first five months of this year, according to figures reported by Economic Development for Central Oregon. The bulk came from California, Arizona, Washington state and Texas. Only 155 moved out in United's trucks.

Wages in Deschutes County rose 5.8 percent from 2005 through 2006, according to the Oregon Employment Department, reaching an average of $16.02 per hour, or $33,329 a year per wage earner.

More ominously for housing sales, though, 30-year fixed mortgage interest rates rose to 6.6 percent in June, mortgage lending agency Freddie Mac said, up from 6.22 percent in January.

Kirk Schueler, president of Central Oregon's largest developer, Brooks Resources Corp., said he and the Brooks board of directors don't expect local housing prices and sales to stabilize, at this point, possibly until 2009. Brooks opted to pull the plug on a high-end riverfront townhome project in Bend earlier this year, partly because the company expects weakness to continue in that market for at least another year, Schueler said.

"I'd say it's going to be a good buyers' market for most of the next six to 12 months," Schueler said. "From July 2008 to July 2009, the market will get back to predictability."

Other local markets

In Sisters, non-acreage home sales slid 37.8 percent to 46 for the first half of the year, sliding below the pace of any year since 2002, according to the MLS, while median prices dipped only 3 percent from the first half of 2006, to $396,383.

On non-acreage home sales, only Jefferson County, home to resurgent Madras, and Crook County, home to Prineville, showed significant price gains over the first half of 2006, according to the MLS. Jefferson County's median price rose 12.2 percent to $179,400, although sales slipped 54.3 percent from the first half of 2006 to 76. Crook County's median price rose to $210,000, even though sales skidded 50.3 percent to 81.

In smaller market segments, homes on acreage in the Bend area logged the weakest sales through the first half of this year, according to the MLS. Only 68 Bend acreage homes sold - 50 percent off the first half of 2006, and 43.8 percent fewer than the first half of pre-boom 2003. Median sales prices on the acreage homes that did sell continued to rise, though, jumping 7.62 percent over the first half of 2006 to $600,000 - up from $310,000 in the first half of 2003.

Townhome and condominium sales, meanwhile, ran relatively strong in Bend and Sunriver through the first half of the year but slid in Redmond.

In Bend, 109 condos and townhomes sold in the first half of the year, according to the MLS, up 13.5 percent from the same time last year. Median prices held about steady at $315,000. Sunriver logged 31 sales, up 29.2 percent compared with the first half of last year, with prices also running about steady at $337,000.

In Redmond, condo sales plunged 55.8 percent to 23 compared with the first half of 2006, although median prices on the few sales that closed jumped 64 percent to $339,000.

Predictably, the sales of raw lots plunged in most markets, falling 38.9 percent in Bend with a 5.46 percent price reduction from the first half of 2006, and diving 41.9 percent in Redmond with a 28.6 percent price cut compared with the first half of 2006.

Bare lots, which are commonly sold to builders, logged a median price of $199,000 in Bend and $100,000 through the first six months of this year, MLS reported.

Anonymous said...

Fueled largely by immigrants and their native-born children, the number of American households is expected to grow by 12.6 million by 2015, according to the Harvard study - about 2 million households more than the nation added between 1995 and 2005.

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I hope somebody tells Pedro @ Super-Burrito that bend-bubble recovery is dependent upon him. All them second generation Latino's think of nothing else but Bend home ownership.

If I were running city council I would be buying time on the spanish cartoon channels, so that LA bambinos knew exactly how to find Bend when they were of age.

Anonymous said...

Kirk Schueler, president of Central Oregon's largest developer, Brooks Resources Corp., said he and the Brooks board of directors don't expect local housing prices and sales to stabilize, at this point, possibly until 2009.

( Yes, three years for the correction, one year has already passed, now we have two more. )

"I'd say it's going to be a good buyers' market for most of the next six to 12 months," Schueler said. "From July 2008 to July 2009, the market will get back to predictability."

( By the fall of 2009 all the resets will have forced foreclosure, all the bad news should be out, Wall Street should be out of the MTG biz, and Bank Financing should have re-invented itself. )

The only real wild-card here is that purchasing WILL never come to the 2002-2006 level as very few people have 20% down. Given that 80% of MTG's in 2005 were of low-down, its safe to say that current sales level that are seen now will continue. Only those that have good credit and a down-payment, will even be in the game. Which means fewer players.

The interesting thing about the article, while they agree that its going to take three years to 'recover' they don't touch the issue of price stability, other than infer that prices have held. In the next two years when the foreclosures start getting dumped, and the ARM's start making it too expensive to 'own a home', there will be lots of people WHO MUST SELL.

Those builders are smart they know the mexicans bought the low end and made the bubble, and they're counting on an influx of mexicans in the future to bring back the good times. The homes are going to have to get very cheap before vast amounts of mexicans come to Bend to buy homes.

Anonymous said...

Does everyone notice that todays BULL article pretty much is in agreement with everything said here to date!

Note, that NOT one Realtor was interviewed with story's about how things were going to get back next month.

Our optimistic 'builder' who is looking for land is quite fishy, my guess is that YA, if he could find a good deal on land, and hold for 2-3 years. Most developer/builders are trying to dump their project right now, and get out with their personal investment. Its a good time to cash out, and lay low in Mexico for 2-3 years and wait for the good times to come back.

So where we're at now is the BULL has admitted that for the next 2-3 years it going to be more of the same.

Now what needs to be admitted is the magnitude of the inventory problem. Like I posted a few months ago here, a major builder in Prineville told me there is almost 30 years of inventory at the current sales level.

The 'positive-spin' right now seems to be wait 2-3 years, and the inventory will be cleared, and things will once again be explosive.

The 'investors' are the ones getting hit on the sub-prime debacle. Interest rates are going to be VERY HIGH, which historically dampers price, and money will not be easy.

What is actually going to happen in the next 2-3 years is selling pressure. Clearing out ALL those who had NO business buying a second home in Bend, and those who had NO business buying a first home in Bend. Clearing out these folks is going to drive the price below $200k ( 1200 sqft base, small lot ). Once all the sub-primy's have cleared the pool price pressure will rise back up to 4X household income. Homes will be priced at levels real people can afford, and qualify for a loan.

The best advice for folks right now that follow this shit, if you don't own a home, and want one, is save yourself a down-payment, as big as you can. Fall of next year should be some of the best deals.

Anonymous said...

Kelleher, an 'optimist', thinks the region will shake off its excess inventory by spring 2009, ...
On the other hand,... the pessimists might be right about a longer downturn.


On the one hand inventory may sell, on the other hand inventory may rot.


Statements like this are pathetic.

Let's take Prineville, and Bend is the pretty much in the same situation. At the current sales levels it will take 27 years to clear inventory. That means for inventory to clear in 2-3 years that sales levels would have to rise ten-fold during the next 2-3 years. Given that MTG loan finance has been completely hosed, and the purchase of second homes is no longer easy. Where in the HELL are these buyers supposed to come from??

The only way that 'inventory' will completely sell, is if the prices fall to 1999 levels ( $120k ), and bargain shoppers step in, but unless major employers were to come into priny why would anyone tie up their money?

In Bend there are ton's of Siberian Tract Homes sitting. Even if the prices get VERY LOW, is that enough to get people out there?

I don't think that inventory will clear for a very long time. Money will longer be easy, and thus the level of sales will be just like it is now, only those that can buy will be buying.

Banks don't loan to developers anymore unless they can pre-sell 25% of the project, this is a nice way of saying the project cannot be financed.

The only hope is that a vast number of retiree's come to Bend in the next ten years, but note nobody is predicting this, they're predicting millions of second generation Mexicans.

Priny is MOST interesting to me, because in most situations I know, our Bendite sold his little mill-house in 2004, and used 1/2 for a Shevlin mcMansion, and put the other 1/2 of his cash into Priny as an 'investment', some 80% of all property in Priny is speculation. In 2004 everyone in Bend thought it was the next play.

Given that its going to take a generation to clear Priny inventory, in order for folks to get their money out prices will have to drop.

Anonymous said...


Lots of opportunities for hobby ranching. Not sure what else, though, unless Microsoft sets up shop here. But hey, Hewlett Packard moved into Corvallis, so we can dream, eh?


HP moved OUT of corvallis a long time ago.

The only game is GOOGLE in the Dalles, but that is a cheap power server farm at an old aluminum mill site. The only local yoco they needs is janitors to sweep the floor.

Microsoft WILL NEVER setup anything in Eastern Oregon.

There will be NO more higher-ed investments in Oregon, that issue is dead, as less and less Oregon kids are going on to college.

Hobby Farming is right on, but it requires a retiree with money. A lot of our retirees lost money in DOT-CON, lost money Sub-Prime. The whole model was 10%/yr on your savings, risk free. It hasn't happened. I think they hobby-farm dream will be enjoyed by fewer and fewer retirees.

Anonymous said...

The decline is good news, right?

After all, we would like things to return to reality.

That goes for the federal government too. In 2008 we have the chance at renewal and the chance NOT to elect the same swindlers. Or do we? Please no more "pro-lifers" for war, "compassionate conservatives" for torture, and "faith based" science.

Anonymous said...

Google also moved into North Carolina for cheap power and huge tax breaks. Oh, by the way, sorry about your RE market, but we have five months' inventory here in Portland, so, much as we'd like to move to Bend, we don't seem to be able to sell our house here. That and the median appears to be going down over here. So be patient.

Anonymous said...

Now same story as the BULL, but here at KTVZ its just the fact's mam. Note there is no dribble about optimists and pessimists. Just hard facts about the fact that homes aren't selling like they used to. What is MOST interesting is the statement to the effect that since they're NOT dropping we should keep building. It's not a problem that they're slow to sell. By golly if they ever start dropping, then and ONLY then will we keep building.

What is important, and NOT said with Bend's 1.5% drop in median, is that those zero-down homes will now have NO equity for appraisal, and thus cannot appraise nor REFI as promised. Now we wait a year for the true panic to begin.


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Central Oregon home sales chill in '07

July 17, 2007 07:49 AM

Prices stall in some areas, still surge in others

By Barney Lerten, KTVZ.COM

The softer, sometimes conflicting picture of Central Oregon's real estate market deepened in the first half of 2007, with home sales off sharply but few signs of lower prices - and prices in some areas continue to surge, according to Central Oregon Association of Realtors figures.

Bend saw 850 home sales in the six-month period, down almost 26 percent from the first half of 2006, but the median sales amount rose more than 1.5 percent, to $349,250, though that's quite a drop, of course, from the big surge of prices in recent years. And it took an average 167 days to sell a Bend home, up more than 30 percent from a year ago.

Redmond saw an even steeper decline, with fewer than 300 homes sold, down 43 percent from 2006. The city's median home price basically held even at $255,000, while the average actually fell by almost 2 percent.

Sisters home sales in the first half of the year dropped almost 38 percent, and the median sale price slipped 3 percent, to $393,383. Sunriver saw a 23 percent drop in sales, but the median sales price still rose 3 percent, to $550,000.

In La Pine, the 31 first-half home sales were down almost 54 percent from last year, but the median sales price still jumped 20 percent, to $210,000, although the 201 average days on market was up a patience-testing 49 percent.

Jefferson and Crook counties also saw a steep decline in home sales, off 45 and 50 percent, respectively. But demand in the relatively cheaper home markets still kept prices on the rise. The median sales price in Jefferson County was up 12 percent, to $179,400, while Crook County's median price jumped 13.5 percent, to $210,000.

Anonymous said...

The decline is good news, right?

( Yes, kids will be able to buy homes again, and thus there will be some kind of fairy tale myth to motivate them. )


After all, we would like things to return to reality.


( Most folks can't handle reality, that might wreck their shopping day. Like Dubya said after 911, Just Go Shopping )

That goes for the federal government too. In 2008 we have the chance at renewal and the chance NOT to elect the same swindlers. Or do we?

( Yeh, right Hillary Clinton { cheney-in-drag }, and Rudy-Gulliani { mr gun grabber }, the two choices. Things will be very different. Not. )

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The only chance for 'renewal' is no chance, you have a sub-prime nation that is dependent upon China for money. Everything is made in China. Want a future? Move to China.

USA is simply a large prison, look what's going on this week in the media. Al-Queda is coming to the USA to do Iraq stuff, ... Time to have National-Id, beef up the borders... Are we trying to keep them out, or us in?

USA has already had its greatest day, its no different than the UK, which is about 15 years ahead of the USA in terms of economic and social disintegration. The only thing going for the USA is a large coal deposit, and empty land in the West.

Southwest has NO water, so they'll all be coming to the PNW in the next 20->40 years.

Elections and Politics has never been the solution to anything. This is such a pathetic debate, the simple fact that you can 'vote', e.g. pull a lever and then enjoy the ride. A democracy or government comes of the 'people', and the people of the USA are consuming parasitic locust.

Yes we have the Locust party-R, and Locust party-D. Both want to stay i n Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, & Afghanistan because this is where ALL the future oil and gas will be and those that control it, get the worlds gold ( note I didn't say paper money ). No matter what ms & mr America say about war, the war's will go on, this is why the stock market keeps going up.

Vote, and Vote often, but remember it will change Nada, both party's are owned by the same people.

Look at the little desert shit hole called 'bend-oregon', we have so called liberals and conservatives, but they both vote the same way, when boss-hog says jump they jump.

Anonymous said...

What did we learn today from the media??

1.) We learned that Mexicans will be coming, second generation born in the USA, and that they'll come to Central Oregon and create the next generation housing boom.

2.) We learned that they'll keep building, until the prices collapse.

3.) We learned that all of Central Oregon are made up of Pessimists and Optimists. Pessimists are negative people, and optimists are happy positive people. There are no realists, only good and bad people.

4.) We learned that inventory is not a problem, only a major drop in prices would be a problem.

5.) We learned that sales volume of Real Estate is much lower today, than last year this time.

Did we actually learn anything? No, but remember its not what is said, but who said it. The status quo is telling us what to think, thus we need to be thinking why these new ideas are so important.

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