At some point, back in the 70's (80's?, 60's?), we started getting little applications in the mail. It was actually the norm to have only one credit card way back when, like it was the norm to have 1 TV or 1 car or 1 house.
Then people started applying for another. And things still seemed OK. You could get more stuff, and paying 3% on 2 cards with $1,000/ea was not the end of the World. It was actually nice, you didn't have such a rigid connection between earning & spending. People could bridge the gap on the odd occasion when they actually lost their job.
But saving became a little less important. And there was this strange creeping feeling that we weren't spending real money. I got my first credit card when I was fairly young, and I certainly remember that feeling.
Pretty soon though, the urge to save pretty much went away. The urge to spend increased with each new application filled out, and new plastic arriving in the mail became something of an expected ritual. In fact, those applications started to feel like income.
And things NEVER got worse because of this. People seemed happier. In fact a whole generation of people base their happiness on consumption. They don't even know it. I'll show an illustration in a bit.
So things seemed to get eternally better. More jobs. More income. More stuff. Every indulgence indulged, every craving sated.
Then, round about 5-10 years ago this credit-fueled industrial complex began engaging in some practices that seemed great, but they ultimately sowed the seeds of economic destruction:
- We started putting unqualified borrowers in homes.
- We started accepting nothing down on a home.
- We started lying to put them in a home.
See, we did this with those credit card app's, right? Sure! Who hasn't hit hard times, got a CC app, and lied to get one, and bridge the gap? Or, maybe you just wanted another card, because you could get money at near 0%, and if you inflated your income, you'll be eligible for a buttload of extra cards, right? And the credit card companies NEVER CHECKED!
It was become standard issue to LIE on credit applications. So when they began Securitizing Mortgage Loans, it became OK TO LIE. Why not? They were going to sell the loan to someone, who was going to sell it again, ad nauseum. And this scheme was working out great! Everyone got a little slice of the action, and foreclosures, price declines, joblessness, and other such nasties had Never Been A Problem Before.
So we had historical evidence on our side. We had a booming economy on our side. We had rock-bottom defaults validating these practices. Everything was peachy.
So what did we have, circa 2005-2006? We had an incredible over-abundance of homes. An overabundance of cars. Overabundance of clothing, computers, food, carpet, factories, businesses. An over-abundance of JOBS. Yes. Most of the jobs created in the 5-10 years prior to The Boom, are artificial. They really are not meant to be.
The credit was not meant to be. The consuming was not meant to be. So the jobs & businesses behind them are not meant to be. We've had quite artificially low unemployment for a good decade. Go to Wal-Mart: Look at the troglodytes working & shopping there; those people should be kept in trailer parks, away from the rest of humanity.
And Yes,I went there yesterday. And on a Sat afternoon, I have never seen the parking lot so empty. EVER.
So lots of the stuff lying around you right now, is probably from a place whose existence is predicated on demand about 30% higher than it is right now.
So the upshot is that demand & spending need to crash for equilibrium to be reached. Unemployment goes way up. Lots of factories shut down. Demand just goes away, and simple economics of supply & demand reassert themselves, and prices fall.
As I said Long Long Ago: The only way to pay off debts is to sell stuff or make more money.
The "make more money" option is being lost at a clip of about 50,000 jobs/day. That leaves Selling Stuff.
Selling houses. Selling toys. Selling cars. Selling computers. Selling everything. And not just re-selling house, or re-selling computers: Builders have crushing debts & need to build & sell more homes. Dell has factory capacity that costs them when idle. Airlines. Flea markets. Garage sales. GM. Banks. Home sellers. All have product that must go.
We have a FLOOD of stuff from ALL CORNERS... and no one can buy it.
So along comes The Stimulus Package. That'll set it right... right?
Well, the first slug of the bank bailout billions is out there, and guess what? The Banks Are Not Loaning. Gee, I wonder Why?
Oh....right, right, right, right, right. Cuz they have TRILLIONS in bad loans on their books. Now they can do one of a few things.
They can go into the Free Market and SELL THESE LOANS, and realize essentially that they are insolvent. The banking system in the USA is technically INSOLVENT RIGHT NOW. If they realized the losses, the CEO-pay gravy train is over & Disgraced Idiot Era begins. Is it any wonder they are not doing this?
And really, why do this, when Obama, Our Lord & Savior, Has Promised that he'll Make It Right.
This brings up Option 2: Wait to be bailed out. Wait for TARP money that you can stick in the vault. Don't even have to worry about bad loans, or realizing the losses, cuz Barack gonna make it all all right.
"We gonna get that TARP money!"
So the bailout, and it's promise of making us all whole again, has actually exacerbated & prolonged the problem. Every bank in the country is waiting to accept & BANK their piece of the trillions. Ain't gonna lend it, that's for damn sure. Fool me once...
So we are caught in a deflationary spiral. Lots of people are looking out the Side Window, and telling us, "NO! We're Not In A Depression! Now Deflation seems to precede, cause & exacerbate a Depression, but we ain't in a Depression. Look. Out the side window. We're just in a rapidly deteriorating Deflation. There's really No Way To Know what lies ahead. Sure, about 99.9999999% of the time, deflation leads to Implosion, but we can't be sure! So all we can really do is Hope For The Best. And plan for the best. And start that new handbag store, despite the complete failure of the last one".
Stock slaughter
For equities, a sustained period of deflation is widely seen as a disaster By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- As 2009 began, U.S. dairy farmers slaughtered more than 70,000 cows in one week to fight slumping prices.
Herds are being culled at the fastest rate in almost two decades as the recession withers away consumers' demand for everything from frothy cappuccinos at Starbucks.
In January alone, milk and cheese prices plunged by at least one-third. Similarly painful adjustments are playing out around the world as companies try to slash production and cut jobs in the face of falling demand and waning pricing power.
The problem is that, as more companies hunker down, demand may weaken further, spurring another wave of downward pressure on prices that would usher in a prolonged period of deflation.
"The combination of credit-crunch deflation and recession is forcing companies to conserve cash by firing workers and slashing capital spending," said investment strategist Ed Yardeni. "That should work for one company, but when they all do it, it just exacerbates the situation by cutting demand all over again."
Many investors believe that a lengthy bout of deflation is unlikely.
But if consumer prices do indeed fall for a long time, the result is likely to be a disaster for much of the stock market, investment professionals say.
Investors could minimize their losses in stocks -- and maybe even capitalize a little on the situation -- by paring their portfolios of the most vulnerable assets while steering toward sectors that are more resilient to a deflation wave.
Companies that may suffer less include those with costs that fall more than the price of their products, such as Dean Foods, and firms that help consumers save money, like Wal-Mart Stores and McDonald's Corp. But many sectors including banks, metals companies, retailers and manufacturers would likely be crushed by sustained deflation. "Sometimes an entire asset class is not a good idea," said Kevin Harrington, chief economist at San Francisco-based Clarium Capital.
Clarium, which runs a $2.24 billion global macro hedge fund, is avoiding stocks, while betting on gains in the U.S. dollar, which Harrington describes as "implicitly a deflationary trade."
No global macro hedge funds were bullish on U.S. equities, according to a survey in early February by consulting firm Greenwich Associates.
That was down from 46% in January and 62% in December. The lowest level of interest in U.S. stocks before that was 8% in October 2007, just before the Standard & Poor's 500 index began a 45% slump.
"It's not a question of if. Deflation is upon us," said John Brynjolfsson, chief investment officer at Armored Wolf LLC, a global macro hedge fund in Aliso Viejo, Calif. "It's a question of how bad it will get."
Steven Bell, a former Deutsche Bank economist who runs a global macro hedge fund at London-based GLC Ltd., has been betting against, European and Japanese stocks, while buying two-year German government bonds.
"Deflation is a serious threat," he said. "You have to say that all companies would lose in such an environment, but some would lose less than others."
In contrast to equities, deflation typically boosts long-term government bonds because their fixed payments become more valuable as the price of goods and services fall. See feature on deflation and the bond market.
Japan
When Japan suffered its most severe bout of deflation, from October 2000 through January 2003, only one sector of the nation's stock market -- electric power and gas shares -- posted gains, according to Morgan Stanley.
Shares of non-ferrous metals producers, communications, banks and services companies dropped more than 60% during the period. And there's a worrying difference between Japan's experience and the current predicament of the U.S.: The Japanese had lots of savings when the country descended into its deflationary recession, but U.S. consumers are now mired in debt.
"The societal effects were not nearly as dramatic as we're experiencing now in the U.S.," said Brian McAuley, chief investment officer at Sitka Pacific Capital Management LLC. "People had much more to fall back on in Japan, while our consumption is falling dramatically."
McAuley is investing in gold and gold mining companies, while keeping his clients' equity exposure at zero.
He's expecting more stock market losses, with the Standard & Poor's 500 index possibly falling to 650 points, more than 20% below current levels.
Deflation scare trades
Morgan Stanley strategist Ronan Carr recently advised investors to keep most of their money in cash and gold. Gold is usually considered a good hedge against inflation, rather than deflation.
However, Carr said the precious metal would likely provide protection in either scenario. Banks should be avoided, partly because deflation increases borrowers' debt in real terms, making it harder for them to repay loans, Carr explained.
Bank stocks in Japan slumped 91% during its long fight with deflation and slumping real estate, according to Goldman Sachs. The KBW Bank Index, which tracks the largest U.S. banks, has dropped roughly 77% since the housing bust began two years ago.
That suggests, in a worst-case scenario, U.S bank shares have another 60% to fall, Goldman analysts warned this week.
Mining companies carrying lots of debt, such as Xstrata , may also be losers because the real value of their interest payments would rise while the prices they can charge for the metals they produce falls, Carr said.
Other so-called cyclical stocks, such as carmakers, should also be avoided, he added. Relative winners include companies that generate strong cash flow and have little debt.
Industries that have pricing power and are protected from new competition could also survive better. Tobacco companies, drug makers and property and casualty insurers fit those criteria, Carr says.
Already declining
While debate swirls over whether deflation or inflation will emerge over the long term, prices are already falling in the U.S.
The consumer price index fell 1% in October, the most since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began publishing seasonally adjusted prices in 1947. The CPI slumped 1.7% in November, another record, and 0.7% in December.
Morgan Stanley estimates that by July, U.S. consumer prices will have fallen 3% from a year earlier.
Merrill Lynch sees the CPI down by the same amount by the third quarter. Once falling prices form a trend, it's difficult to reverse, partly because consumers are encouraged to save rather than buy.
That dents demand and sales, potentially inflating companies' inventories and triggering more discounts. "
Potential buyers realize that they can negotiate even lower prices simply by waiting," Brynjolfsson said.
Fixed debt payments get larger in real terms, which means any credit problems impacting the financial system only get worse, he added.
The auto industry has already been buffeted by deflationary winds. Most new car purchases are at least partly paid for with loans.
The transaction results in two costs for consumers -- the extra money for the loan and the impact of an asset that begins to lose value the moment it's driven off the lot.
But in a period of deflation, the cost of the loan increases because the debt payments rise in real terms.
The result has been a plunge in new car sales which has pushed U.S. automakers General Motors, Chrysler and maybe even Ford to the brink of bankruptcy.
One carmaker, South Korea's Hyundai, is trying to tackle the problem by letting buyers return vehicles, at no cost in most cases and with no dent on their credit rating, if they lose their job or income within a year.
"That's a direct response to the deflationary psyche of buyers," Brynjolfsson said. Cutting capacity Airlines performed relatively well last year when their costs fell as oil prices slumped. However, demand for flights started dropping too, pushing ticket prices down 11% from their August high, according to Yardeni Research. "
Airlines benefit when oil prices decline, but they lose if conditions are such that no investment bankers are flying to see their clients," GLC's Bell said. "Space in first class and business class has been dramatically reduced."
Bell was speaking from Kuwait, an oil-rich country which only a year ago was dogged by inflation concerns. "January is usually very busy, but the Middle East is much quieter this year," he said.
"The hotels are empty and flights are not full." The parent companies of American Airlines and United Airlines said in January that they would cut capacity further this year to try to halt the decline in airfares.
The retail sector has been particularly hard hit as slumping demand forced many companies to slash prices to whittle down ballooning inventories.
Costco Wholesale Corp., one of the world's largest retailers, sent a shudder through the industry in early February when it issued a big profit warning.
The company said it cut prices aggressively to drive sales, but that took a chunk out of margins. Eggs and butter prices were chopped 10% to 20% and milk prices were slashed more than 20%, Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti said. "
Arguably, a good chunk of that is short-term, as long as we don't live in a recession forever and as long as we don't see huge deflation," he added, during a conference call with analysts. Even luxury retailers have slashed prices.
Saks Inc. cut designer-clothes prices by 70% before the holiday shopping season. Still, the department store operator reported a 24% slump in January sales, partly because shoppers continued to buy sale items, rather than regular-priced merchandise.
"What the sector will have a tough time doing is returning to full-priced business," said Brian Sozzi, an analyst at Wall Street Strategies.
"Consumers are now trained to expect discounts." Nuts and chips Other companies traditionally considered resilient in recessions have also been hit by deflationary troubles recently.
Kraft Foods, the world's No. 2 food maker, reported a 72% drop in fourth-quarter profit as it struggled to deal with declining food prices.
In January, Kraft was forced to cut prices on its Planters nut snacks after it lost market share. When Kraft raised prices last fall, its rivals didn't.
Technology companies are used to falling prices, but the recent drop in chip prices has been so severe that several companies have suffered.
The price of DRAM, a memory chip commonly used in personal computers, slumped 77% from May to December last year. NAND flash chips, used in cell phones and digital cameras, have fallen 62% in price during the same period, according to iSuppli.
Shares of Micron Technologies, a leading DRAM supplier, dropped 64% last year, while SanDisk, one of the largest NAND flash makers, slumped 71%. Qimonda AG, a big German DRAM maker, went bust in January.
Possible winners
Some companies may benefit from deflation if their costs fall faster than the price of the products they sell. Take Dean Foods.
The company buys milk from dairy farmers then processes it, distributes it in refrigerated diesel trucks and sells it to grocery stores and other food retailers. The recent drop in milk prices and a slump in diesel in the past year have cut Dean's costs dramatically.
That's made up for declines in the price of the dairy products it sells, improving profit. As recently as Wednesday, Dean Foods said that fourth-quarter profit more than doubled and issued a bright forecast for 2009.
Other companies that offer consumers ways to save money may also avoid some of the damaging effects of deflation. Sitka's McAuley said Wal-Mart may benefit as shoppers become thriftier.
Meanwhile, fast-food giant McDonald's has remained resilient in recent months. "Companies that provide consumers with the opportunity to save some money and still get fairly good service and products may do OK," Yardeni said.
Even so, Yardeni and McAuley warn, if deflation lingers for a long time, there would be few such examples for investors to consider.
So deflation, and it's attendant terrible side-effects, is here. Prices, demand, and jobs simply go into a self-reinforcing cycle of decline. Easily illustrated by Japan's economic conditions for almost the last 2 decades. Generation Lost.
Japan's reaction was to hope against hope. Still is. Banks STILL hold trillions in NPA over there. They are entering their 3rd decade of Asset Denial. They won't sell or re-price, or otherwise realize these loan losses, as the corporation would cease to exist. The Overhang Continues.
So what are we doing? Surely we aren't following Japan's Bad Example, right?
Ohhhhh, we surely are. Everything possible is being done to avoid realizing losses. Everything possible is being done make it to Barack's Promised Land, where TARP, and other bailout funds flow like water. Everything possible being done to Ride It Out, wait for the bailout some we can bank the money, wait for The Bad Bank to take All Our Bad Loans. Every bank in America made whole again.
Maybe. It's possible. We can certainly print the money.
But The Losses Will Be Recognized. At some Point. By Someone. And that someone is taxpayers. Which seems OK, since it's just us chickens. We made the mess, we'll fix it, we'll be fine.
Actually, this is true in some respects. But what is Really Happening, is that the wealth of this country is being reallocated.
All the banks with bad loans are having their negative net worth made whole.
All the people with foreclosures, are being made whole.
Trillions are being expended to do so. And we are all going to pay. Even those who had NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH CREATING THE PROBLEM.
The Responsible are bailing out the irresponsible. The Good bail out the Bad. The winners are being made to lose.
Did you buy 6 houses by LYING on your mortgage applications at the top of the Bubble mega-froth? Lucky me, I am going to bail you out, because I chose to rent, and not lie, and live within my means.
Citigroup and J.P. Morgan suspend foreclosures
Obama to provide more details about foreclosure prevention plan in Arizona
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. on Friday announced that they would temporarily suspend foreclosures, as Washington's debate continued about how to save the U.S. economy and moribund housing market.
In a letter to House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass, J.P. Morgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon said that he would set up a three-week moratorium on foreclosures.
Citigroup, in its own statement, said that it would suspend foreclosures until the Treasury plan is finalized. The announcements by Citigroup and J.P. Morgan come as President Obama prepares to announce more details about his plan to stem home foreclosures in an address on Wednesday in Phoenix, Arizona, according to White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.
The Arizona housing industry has been pounded by the slow economy and the state is now seeing some of the highest foreclosures rates in the country.
The Treasury plans to use $50 billion of the remaining $350 billion in bank-bailout funds for some form of foreclosure-mitigation program, but it has yet to produce details on the subject.
The goal of the program, which is part of a $1.5 trillion financial rescue program, is to help troubled homeowners avoid defaulting on their loans.
The Obama administration is working on a program that would subsidize mortgage payments for troubled homeowners subject to an affordability test, according to reports.
This approach would be different from other assistance programs, because borrowers would go through a standard eligibility test and could be approved before their mortgage becomes delinquent.
Citigroup and J.P. Morgan are responding to a request from Frank, who pressed bankers on Wednesday to voluntarily set up a moratorium on foreclosures until the Treasury Department has put in place a plan to alter mortgages.
In addition to Frank, the Office of Thrift Supervision asked the federal and many state-chartered thrift institutions it regulates to stop foreclosures on owner-occupied homes until the new plan is finalized in the next few weeks.
Frank, in a meeting with reporters on Wednesday, said he expects that more than 90% of banks will halt foreclosures until the program is up and running.
He declined to provide details of what kind of plan he would like to see take place, but he said some principal write-down for troubled borrowers would be a key part of it.
A Treasury staffer said Tuesday that the program could resemble a proposal introduced by Federal Deposit Insurance Chairwoman Sheila Bair that would use funds from the bailout package in a program to help avoid foreclosures.
It is a loss-sharing program between mortgage servicers or investors and the FDIC and deals with loans that fail six months or longer after being modified.
See? Everyone waiting. Everyone going to get bailed out.
In the end, it's so tragic, you just have to laugh. I am, at some point, going to pay higher taxes for the STD's built on the Eastside. I will pay so that mortgage app liars will be bailed out of the lies. I will pay to artificially somehow keep housing prices high, so that I cannot afford one. I will pay for being honest and living within my means.
I made a bad choice.
I'll learn next time. I want my bailout money. I want money re-allocated TO ME, not AWAY FROM ME. I will be irresponsible. I'll lie. I will fuck you over to get mine.
This is a great country.
OK, I said earlier I would end with an illustration of almost ridiculous self-indulgence. It comes from the owners of Pomegranate, the failed downtown crap-O-torium. This woman is still blogging, and still just oblivious as shit to the World around her. Check this out:
End of a dream (or two or three)
I miss Merenda. We would have gone there a few weeks ago after closing the doors on our own downtown shop for the last time. Instead, we went home and made a nice little dinner, sat in our pjs, and drank some champagne... to soothe our souls.
Truth is, we hardly ever (never) go out to dinner anymore, which makes us part of the problem for restaurants. It's endemic, this economic situation. Call it trickle down (too lite), ripple effect (better) or smashing tidal wave (apt), but it has affected everyone in one way or another.
When I lived in San Francisco some time ago (and please, no one needs to send an anonymous comment about Califungos [sic: Cali-Bangers]) I used to frequent the wonderful Farmer's Market at Ferry Plaza, just like I frequent our wonderful Farmer's Market at Mirror Pond here in Bend.
Back then, the Ferry building wasn't yet refurbished into the foodie heaven it is now, but once a month or so, local restaurants would set up tented booths and cook up a storm for shoppers. At that time, Jody Denton owned Lulu's (south of Market area), one of the restaurants represented at the market. I didn't know him then, but clearly remember standing in line for a soft shell crab sandwich, and going crazy over the amazing taste and texture of it. A bunch of people around me announced (to no one in particular) that it was so good they were getting back in line to get another one.
Sometimes a meal is memorable like that, even if it's eaten standing up in a converted parking lot with seagulls and pigeons swooping around, hoping for a bite. We were happy when Merenda opened. It was hugely ambitious, and all the buzz about how it could sustain itself seemed to dissipate when year after year, it just kept succeeding.
Until the financial crash. I really liked going there, and maybe this post is more about post-mortem support than anything else, but some of the blog posts I've read bothered me in their analysis of why they went down.
Truth is, everyone has a different experience at different restaurants, and some of it depends on the day, time of day, mood of the servers, who's cooking, and who's sitting next to you. There are lots of good restaurants here, and you'll get a different critique of them from everyone you talk to. And no observer will really know the details of why a restaurant – or any business – falls apart.
All I know is the restaurant business has to be a crazy scary venture: more intense and problematic and potentially disastrous than anything you can do in retail. I'm glad another group is giving it a go: the space is fabulous and, I think, the anchor of downtown. It's good that some of the Merenda employees are going to get their jobs back.
And I'm glad that Jody has another job lined up in Sydney. But I'm very sad that they had to go bankrupt in the process. No one wants to see that for a young family. Or anybody. We were there on their last night, and I shed a few tears as we left (oh yeah, lots of raw emotion these last few months).
Jody and Michelle are sure to land on their feet again, and the restaurant will reincarnate itself (empty spaces downtown will get filled: it will just be different).
It just hit me as the end of a dream, a vision. Not just theirs, but ours as well (knowing we'd be soon closing our downtown location), and soon, others. This is what I crave right now: that lemon rotisserie chicken. Maybe with an indulgent side of tempura green beans, followed up with an order of insanely delicious beignets. Call the medics.
I mean, this gal sounds like she's very nice. But, if you read this post closely, and in the context of someone who has just Closed Down A Failed Luxury Handbag Shop, you just have to wonder What The Fuck Is She Thinking?
She even has the barest self-awareness to know that Cali-Bangers are the most LOATHED species on Earth. But even so, she almost defines Happiness by the Quality of Her Consumption. I almost feel bad for this person. How many authentic moments has she had in her life? I mean she describes herself as a "Shopping Monkey" on her blog.
It's actually just sad. And still, she is probably almost broke, and all she can do is reminisce about consuming. And you see this as a common thread in almost everything listed on BendBlogs.com. 95% of all posts are of an almost completely selfish nature: "Why I like/eat/do/dislike/buy/avoid/think about 'X'".
Well, I better wrap this up, so hbm can take a nappy pie.
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4 Northwest banks receive $72 million in TARP funds
Four Northwest banks — Peoples Bancorp of Lynden, Northwest Bancorporation of Spokane, Northwest Commercial Bank of Lakewood and Medford, Ore.-based PremierWest Bancorp — have received nearly $72 million in U.S. Treasury Department investments as part of the latest installment of the federal bank-rescue program.
By Drew DeSilver
Seattle Times business reporter
Related
* Government provides $429M to 29 more banks
* Obama signs stimulus bill, readies homeowner plan
Four Northwest banks received nearly $72 million in U.S. Treasury Department investments last week, as part of the latest installment of the federal bank-rescue program.
Peoples Bancorp of Lynden, Whatcom County, got $18 million from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, known as TARP. Northwest Bancorporation of Spokane received $10.5 million, Northwest Commercial Bank of Lakewood, Pierce County, got almost $2 million, and Medford, Ore.-based PremierWest Bancorp received $41.4 million.
In each case, the Treasury Department bought preferred stock and warrants for common stock from the banks. The preferred stock pays a 5 percent annual dividend, rising to 9 percent after five years unless the banks redeem the shares sooner by repaying the government.
The investments were made Friday and disclosed by the Treasury Department today as part of $429 million it provided to 29 banks.
More than 400 financial institutions around the country, from giants such as Citigroup and AIG to minnows such as Bellevue's Puget Sound Bank, have received $281 billion through the TARP. General Motors and Chrysler, and their auto-finance arms, have gotten an additional $24.8 billion in loans and investments. GM also reportedly will receive an additional $4 billion installment in previously approved loans today.
Boy did you see the new market-cap??
I could buy CBBO with HBM's money.
Even golden Umpqua lost 10% today on wall-st, and they got a golden texasss-ratio
Hey, HBM say's its NOT real money, but these legitimate news sources, just keep pulling bigger numbers out of their arse,...
Auto bailout tab could top $130 billion
GM and Chrysler say they need $21.6 billion more in loans. But that won't be enough to save Detroit. Here's a rundown of all the auto bailout proposals.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: February 18, 2009: 6:01 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors and Chrysler LLC asked the government Tuesday for $21.6 billion in additional loans, but the final cost of a bailout of the auto industry could be significantly higher.
The two struggling auto giants have already received a total of $17.4 billion in loans. If they get the new loans they want, the price tag of the bailout would climb to $39 billion.
What's more, $7.5 billion in loans have already been approved for the financing arms of GM and Chrysler. Congress also approved funding last year for $25 billion in loans to help automakers convert their plants to produce more fuel efficient cars.
But dealers and suppliers are also asking for federal aid. And consumers may eventually get further incentives from the government to buy new cars.
All told, it could take up to $130 billion to save Detroit. Here's a breakdown of the rest of the money that might be needed.
Loan guarantees requested by auto parts suppliers: $18.5 billion. The trade groups for parts suppliers are asking loan guarantees for the amount they're owed by domestic automakers. They are also seeking guarantees other types of commercial loans and help so General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) and Chrysler pay their suppliers more quickly.
Loan guarantees being requested by auto dealers: $5 billion to $20 billion. This is still in the works. But the National Automobile Dealers Association is working on a request for federal loan guarantees to make sure they can get the cash they need to finance their inventories. NADA vice president and general counsel Andrew Koblenz said the range is likely to be in the $5 billion to $20 billion range.
Line of credit being requested by Ford: $9 billion. Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) continues to insist that it shouldn't need federal help, primarily because it locked up financing years before the credit markets dried up.
But in December, the automaker asked Congress to approve a $9 billion line of credit for the company in case sales were worse than expected or a rival's bankruptcy caused widespread failures in its own supplier or dealership base. Since that request, car sales have plunged further and forecasts for 2009 have grown increasingly bleak.
Tax credit for "Cash for Clunkers" program: $16 billion. There are a couple of different proposals floating around Capitol Hill to have the federal government give buyers of new, fuel-efficient vehicles a tax credit of up to $10,000 if they turn in an old, fuel-inefficient vehicle to be scrapped.
One version of the proposal, which would have been available for 1.6 million buyers, was briefly included in the economic stimulus package before it was stripped out. But stand-alone versions of the bill are still alive in Congress, and they have support of both the auto industry and environmentalists.
Allowing car buyers to deduct interest on auto loans: $9 billion. This proposal from Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., easily passed the Senate during debate on the stimulus bill. But it was stripped out of the final version, leaving a far more modest tax credit that allows buyers to deduct only the sales and excise tax they pay on a new car purchase.
Auto dealers and automakers were strong supporters of making interest deductible as a way to spur demand.
How to pay for it
If the Obama administration decides to move ahead with additional loans for GM and Chrysler, some think it may wrap all the various proposals into one auto bailout bill.
Still, there are questions about where future funding will come from. Much of the money for Detroit so far has come from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the $700 bailout of the nation's financial system approved last fall.
But much, if not all, of the additional money will probably have to be approved by Congress, rather than just Treasury. That could prove to be an easier sell in this Congress though.
The House passed a $34 billion bailout for GM, Chrysler and Ford last December but it failed to win approval from enough Republicans in the Senate.
But the Democratic majority of both houses has grown significantly since then. So it is likely that a similar bailout measure would find the 60 votes needed to advance in the Senate, assuming all Democrats support it as they did the recently passed stimulus bill.
The automakers' strongest argument for getting the help to get the industry back on its feet is that it could cost the government far more if they fail.
GM and Chrysler both included estimates in viability plans submitted to the Treasury Tuesday about how much they would need to fund their operations if they went through a bankruptcy reorganization. GM said it could cost up to $100 billion in loans over two years, while Chrysler estimated it would cost between $20 billion and $25 billion.
Both companies said that if they went bankrupt, they would be forced to halt operations and liquidate if they did not receive the loans. And if they were to go out of business, lost federal tax revenue would reach into the hundreds of billions of dollars, according to company estimates.
Experts agreed that a bankruptcy at either company would be far more expensive for taxpayers than the amount of money they are asking for.
"There would be nothing standard about a bankruptcy filing at GM," said Michigan bankruptcy attorney Douglas Bernstein. "You don't normally have the government as your lender. And I don't think anybody has been through a bankruptcy of this magnitude." To top of page
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COAH put a lot more money in than COAR.
That $50 check off times 953 members accounts for $47650 of COAH funding.
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It's rather fishy, I mean how many members do they have, and why in a bad economy would the members support an option check box to be billed an extra $50, like how many of you pay the extra $100 for the fish license plates when you renew.
Ok, coba has how many members, but honestly in an economy of the shits were supposed to believe a 1,000 people tossed in $50???
Another issue this week 20k builders have gone kaput in the last two years, many of them at toxic ground zero here, note that COBA isn't builders, its bankers, realtors, suppliers, its all kinds of people,
It all sounds good in theory, and how did they sell this $50 box add-on why??
Also why is not it not just coming from the regular COBA, why a special fund???
Whose ass did this 953 members checked the $50 box come out of???
p.s. I posted the link to the asp site for the membership, cuz I knew this is how they're were going to 'account' for the money, but they have effectively used this $50k pool of money to BUY city-hall, its all very suspicious.
So to put it all into perspective what did each electable get individually from COAH??
BP, you dump the COAR for all, pls dump the COAH for all,
So did COAR also setup an 'affordable housing' button on their member renewal??
Did their money come from a special pool or just normal COAR??
I'll do some more updating later. Right now I am writing the Sec of State elections deparment asking about the Misc Under $100 category and how $70K chunks can fit in it, and then am going down to hear the Community Development fee presentation to Council at 5 PM.
Actually the sore thumb totals of $100 contributions is $40,000, $15,000 amd $15,000. The $70,000 and $55,000 numbers come from the aggregate column.
The council actually stated tonight that they want to raise building and development fees to cover costs, instead of the 25% loss we've had so far.
Amazing.
Now if they actually implement the 25% surcharge above that level to cover fire prevention inspections and long range planning, I'll be really impressed.
Actually, I'll be impressed if they actually follow through on anything...
You can add the Bend Economy Forum to your RIP list. Ever since the site administrator decided that any one who posts must be a registered user with name, all posts have dried up. Very little activity. Only a handful of posts in past week.
Well think about the issue, I mean I could write a fucking book. 99% of the posts on these sites are the same fucking people, you can mix&match, but IP's don't lie.
Thus what RDC/BENDBB/TT/... now have in effect is a vehicle to monitor who-is-who by alias, and map it all out.
Whenever you post on BEBB your IP is posted on the screen live for anyone logged in as ADMIN (CHOSEN), which means the admin's can see exactly who is who, where they live, and all their patteners are put into a spreadsheet 24/7 courtesy of informe.com. The REAL fucking interest question is when do blogspot.com ( google ) do the same, now HOMER trys with all his fucking SPYBOTS to log all, don't get me WRONG this site is a honey-pot ( not a good place to put your dick ).
But if you run here on firefox, with TOR enable, and full NoScript, ... then your basically 'ok' (for now), but on Bend-econ-form, WTF the RDC/BENDBB is the same person, he's a cali retiree who moved up here and is going into the toilet, so if he can make a few nickels his last hour pimping IP's for the boss-hoggs, well then jeebus bless him,
They got to dunc.
Things are going to now get nasty.
Debtors prison was abolished in most civilized countries, including the United States, in the 19th century. It was reintroduced into Pennsylvania in 1991, when the state legislature passed P.L. 335, No. 35 ¤3.
It has since been re-introduced in one half of the of the USA.
"They got to dunc."
Huh?
Folks, some Big News in Central Oregon::
Sardines are a source of vitamin D, but they can be salty
Hip replacements cost more in Central Oregon
Good Job Costa! Another Pulitzer is on its way.
I tell you what, with the local banking system imploding, housing going to shit, unemployment skyrocketing... I'm just glad to know we have a diligent news outlet looking out for the public good. Otherwise we'd have no idea that sardines are salty.
The other piece in the Bully, is that Obombers housing bailout has a few little restrictions:
*You can't be more than 5% underwater on your home loan. (easily circumvented with dishonest appraiser & mortgage broker/banker)
*It must be Fannie or Freddie owned. ie "conforming". (There's the tough one)
I can count the number of loans in Deschutes County that qualify on one hand.
I think this bears repeating:
SARDINES ARE SALTY, PEOPLE.
Top News Story, Bend Oregon, Feb 19, 2009, Bend Bulletin.
Well its here, Chomsky calls it 'manufacturing consent', and people are NOW begging for nationalization. I wonder what they think of 'long' a 6", 12"???
Bank nationalizing, won’t last long
By Lisa Zagaroli and Rick Rothacker • McClatchy Newspapers • February 19, 2009
WASHINGTON — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Wednesday that there would be drawbacks to the federal government nationalizing banks and the Obama administration remained committed to “return them to private hands” quickly if nationalization became necessary.
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“As a general rule, it’s very challenging for governments to manage banks for a protracted period,” Bernanke told a sold-out luncheon crowd at the National Press Club. “There is the additional problem if you have a government-run institution, you tend to lose their franchise value, and counterparties don’t like to deal with you because they don’t know your future.
“Whatever action would need to be taken at one point or another, there’s a very strong commitment on the part of the administration to keep banks private and return them to private hands as quickly as possible.”
Bernanke was responding to a question about whether he agreed with his predecessor Alan Greenspan, who told the Financial Times that it may be necessary to “temporarily nationalize some banks in order to facilitate a swift and orderly restructuring.”
There’s rising talk elsewhere that nationalizing banks could be the best way to rid them of toxic assets corroding their balance sheets. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said this week that the government already has poured billions into banks with little to show for the economy.
A government takeover essentially could wipe out shareholders, which is one reason for the pressure on bank stocks.
Banks now are undergoing “stress tests” that Bernanke called a diagnostic tool to ensure their viability.
The review of major banks’ assets and liabilities would assess “not only what is their true position, but how would they do under a more stressful scenario in which the economy does worse even than we expect it to,” he said.
“The purpose of that exercise is to try to determine how much more capital and other measures would be needed to ensure the banking system would be robust,” Bernanke said.
The Federal Reserve issued a revised and gloomier 2009 economic outlook Wednesday and warned that there could be an “unusually gradual and prolonged” economic recovery from a deep global recession.
Steeper declines in housing, trade, industrial production, spending and employment rates “more than offset” an economic stimulus plan, said the Fed’s Open Market Committee, which predicted that the economy would shrink by 0.5% to 1.3% this year and unemployment would rise to between 8.5% 8.8%.
“Financial markets continued to be strained overall, credit remained unusually tight for both households and businesses, and equity prices had fallen further,” the Open Market Committee said in its report, taken from the minutes of its Jan. 27-28 meeting.
When Bernanke was asked Wednesday what would trigger more government involvement or, alternately, allowing a bank to fail, he said that the details would be up to the Treasury Department.
“Clearly, what we want to do is assure ourselves that under stressed conditions, conditions worse than current conditions, that banks have adequate capital, adequate financing, to not only be stable but also to lend and contribute to economic recovery,” he said.
Industry analysts already are handicapping the banks’ need for further government intervention.
Christopher Whalen, a cofounder of the research firm Institutional Risk Analytics, said he ordered the candidates for nationalization this way: Citigroup Inc., Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. In particular, he said, the government needs to say what it’s going to do with Citi before first-quarter earnings are reported in April.
“The U.S. government,” Whalen said in a note Wednesday, “must be willing to lead by example to show that there really is only one way to restore confidence in zombie banks: Use receivership to wipe out the common and preferred shareholders, conserve the deposits and sell the good assets to new investors, and then restructure the remaining operations of the bank to maximize recovery to the bondholders and other creditors.”
Among the concerns prompting nationalization talk is the need to pump even more capital into the banking system to protect against further losses. Another argument is that some banks already could be technically insolvent because their assets are worth less than their liabilities.
With this as a concern, banks may be less likely to shed toxic assets, prolonging the shakeout in the housing market and discouraging new loans. That was a problem in Japan during the 1990s.
One possible solution that’s gaining attention is the “Swedish model” of nationalization employed by that country’s government during an economic crisis in the early 1990s. After taking over some of the institutions, the government placed troubled assets in a so-called bad bank and sold them as the economy recovered. The liquidation was completed by 1997 and taxpayers got back more than half the initial capital invested, according to a Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank study.
The council actually stated tonight that they want to raise building and development fees to cover costs, instead of the 25% loss we've had so far.
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Whose facts you picking BP? 'Infrastructure First' has been reporting for years that the actual cost of a new home in Bend is over $60k in infrastructure, at best they collected $12k at the peak. That's an 80% loss at best of times, now they collect almost zero on infinite deferral. SDC collection effects the MUNI-DEBT CAP by state law, if this city is going to BORROW THEIR WAY-OUT, they must start collecting SDC revenue.
Trouble is today, the little SDC revenue that comes in, barely services the DEBT, which is why by state law there is a CAP, and to keep citys from borrowing money to pay debt.
Interesting by state law, there is NO CAP on 'transportation' so a clever city person could call any pet project 'transportation' and avoid the CAP.
NOW BP, WHERE the fuck are you getting the FIGURE 24% loss on SDC, and WHO is full of shit?? YOU, EYE, CITY, or Infrastructure-First??
BP,
Where the fuck did you get # that 952 people paid $50 for COAH?? Did you get the number by dividing $50 into 45K???
Does COBA even have 952 normal paying members??
20k 'developers' have shut down in the last two years nationally, most in BEND are shut-down 2 yrs ago, but builders and workers I know in housing haven't had work for almost two years. You honestly think that a 1,000 people just recently gave $50k to COBA for 'affordable housing'?? You really think that??
Don't wait for HBM to EVER report on a real story, its never happened in the past and will not happen in the future.
THE SORE is owned by Switzer, who owns winter-fest, and winter-fest's biggest sponsor was MDU ( knife-River ) where MOSS sits on the boards and collects $200k/yr. There is NO fucking way in hell the BULL or SORE will ever report anything other than storys about salty fish. HBM might write about dumb pugs selling frozen fruit.
HBM,
Your comments over at the sore-eye are really good. Too bad you don't write your editorial in that fashion.
" Through the Looking Glass With John and Bill"
http://www.tsweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3912&Itemid=153
All over the place nowadays, people are asking questions about the Holocaust and wondering why this subject is still so controversial after all this time. What is it now, 64 years? People are too scared to voice any doubts, since they’ve been programmed to think that anyone who does so must be evil and anti-Semitic. But when you think about it, sentiments like that should be quite separate from historical facts and never, ever subject to legal efforts.
Bishop Richard Williamson
So, why is the Holocaust such a big deal? Because it’s a major leg propping up the New World Order and the people behind the curtain — no doubt about it. They know that if you start asking questions about any of this, soon it will lead to a whole helluva lot more. And it’s so easy to see all the reasons (below), that they’ve pushed this version of history on America and the White countries of the West — all the while knowing how much outrage the public would have for being lied to.
Recently, a Catholic Bishop in Argentina came out during a interview and said it was 200,000 to 300,000 Jews who died in the camps and none in a gas chamber. Bishop Richard Williamson ignited a bit of firestorm over his statements and was even briefly mentioned on the mainstream news.
Jew Thought Police, like the ADL’s Abe Foxman went haywire about it, demanded and had the spineless Vatican denounce his comments and remove him from the pulpit. World Jewish leaders then told the Vatican that “Holocaust denial is not an opinion, but a crime.” Jews ordered them to declare Holocaust denial as “heresy” and undergo Holocaust education.
Such is the arrogance of International Jewry and Big Zionism today. The Jews have always had it in for the Catholic church. They completely demonized and demoralized the church with non-stop press coverage of the Gay pedophile priests, still going strong today. Funny, how the press never breathes a word about all the rabbis who have been caught doing this kind of thing.
Another thing you won’t hear about in the mainstream media is that the Jews in Europe now want the Bishop literally arrested and thrown in the slammer. That’s right: By questioning anything about the sacred Holocaust can earn you a prison term in 11 countries in Europe and Canada. This should be completely unacceptable to any free thinking White person!
People like Ernst Zündel now sit in prison over what they’ve said in public (letters of support have even been kept from reaching him); Dr. Fredrik Töban from Australia came close to going to jail in Germany, simply for making an airport connection in Britain where Bobbies arrested him for the Germans, but brave free speech advocates soon came to his rescue and the government finally released him. Simon Shepard and Stephen Whittle, who created the fascinating site The Heretical Press, are now in jail by the British thought crime police after trying to flee to America for their political beliefs.
David Irving, once a highly respected WWII historian (he blew wide open the Hitler Diary forgery), had spent a decade in the German archives researching the war and then ended up spending 3 years in a Austrian Jail for what he dared say in print about the Holocaust evidence.
Let’s keep one thing perfectly clear about the topic: Holocaust “revisionism” does NOT say the Nazis didn’t kill Jews or anyone else for that matter. How many? Probably a lot. But so did the Soviets kill a lot of Whites (below). And the US and Britain killed over 600,000 White civilians in horrific bombing campaigns against the German cities. 3 Million Germans starved to death after the war, many of them POW’s penned up in American General Dwight Eisenhower’s open-air camps, exposed to the elements and fed almost nothing until they died.
What they don’t want you to know: Millions of Whites were starved to death (1) and executed by Commies in the “Holmador” under the direction of Jews like Lazar Kaganovich (2). Far, far more White Gentiles suffered at the hands of Commie Jews than whatever the Nazis ever did. (3) Stalin’s chief propagandist, the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg exhorted Soviet troops to rape and murder the women and children of Germany (4). His deviously imaginative anti-Nazi propaganda and genocide lies were later regurgitated by Globalist Zionists and regular Jewry on the naïve White countries of the West.
This guy lived through it. Will you or your children?
The Bolsheviks and later, the Soviet Communists, killed millions of White Gentiles. In 1957, the Soviets admitted that 15 to 25 million were executed or starved to death since the Red revolution. But Alexandr Solzhenitsyn (right), in his book “The Gulag Archipelago,” using the research of I. A. Kurganov who had access to a secret government file, estimated it was 66 million who were killed. Jews were predominate in the secret police, like the NKVD and Cheka; in fact, the 6 leading administrators of Stalin’s death apparatus, Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda and Naftaly Frenkel were all Jews.
And many of the massacres in Eastern Europe during WWII were not done by Nazis either, but local populations (Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Poles and Hungarians) who went nutso trying to get some long-due payback for the evil Communist treatment or economic parasitism they received at the hands of Jewish tax collectors, commissars, secret police and judges. No lie.
So, let’s get over the bit about who is evil and all. We all know that people of any sort can have hearts of stone-cold evil. White Germans are NOT the only ones. But, of course, you know all this when you think about global history.
The Red Cross once reported 271,000 dead in the camps.
No, the question before us is this: Did the German Nazis operate a secret network of industrial murder utilizing gassing chambers? Not whether they shot, hung and worked people to death. People sometimes tell themselves, “well, if they did that, so they must have been capable of much worse.” No, the issue is historical truth and the reasons for lying about it to the Western world for so long.
All kinds of ridiculous lies have been promoted about the Germans to this day. When you read some of them, you might pause and consider how could anyone ever do such a thing? Most people foolishly accept it all at face value just because they read it in some book.
But stories of individual Jews are now being exposed left and right. All kinds of crazy things have been shown to be lies in the past. Lampshades made from human skin, soap from the ashes of dead Jews, bone furniture for the evil SS to sit on. Trenches dug, filled with living Jews and acid poured in over them. Electrified floors killed rooms full of Jews. Pedal-operated hammers to bash in the skulls of Jews riding along on conveyor belts. Believe it or not, much of this was considered true not so long ago. Some of it still is, to this very day, by the Jews.
The issue of the industrial gassing of the Jews is what is at stake. Auschwitz and the Operation Reinhard camps: Treblinka and 4 others — none of which was on German soil. The details of these camps are too long for a mere blog post but, suffice to say, huge problems exist with the official narrative.
Auschwitz had 4 crematoria (only 2 of which had high capacity — one was just a small building) built at the satellite camp Birkenau, to handle the dead from 100,000 labor slaves and Soviet POWs. The “gas chambers” were merely built-in morgues for body storage and only designed to handle a few hundred corpses maximum, not the many thousands of Jews said to have been gassed per day. And to fuel the cremations would have literally required small mountains of coke (coal) outside the crematoria and this is not seen in any overhead photos of the camps by American planes.
The number of dead for Auschwitz was lowered by 3 million, yet the 6 million figure still remains.
Many talk of the photos of Jews being selected by the evil Dr. Mengele (who must have worked non-stop) when they arrived by train, but all that was merely the Germans separating out those who could work hard in factories. Why do so many survivor accounts of young children occur if they were supposedly fated for gassing? And the infamous Zyklon-B (above) was just a disinfectant used to kill off lice in clothing and empty barracks, just like in all the other camps the Germans had.
Treblinka is where they say over 700,000 Jews were gassed by a Soviet tank engine or submarine diesel engine. The idea of the Germans hauling a submarine engine the size of a room 250 miles from the Baltic is ridiculous, and unsubstantiated. Plus, using diesel engines to generate carbon monoxide would be ineffective time-wise, when a simple arrangement of wood burning stoves would be have generated far more carbon monoxide and cheaper on fuel as well. Those Nazis were not that dumb.
Also, the Germans buried all these thousands of corpses mere feet away from their only water source for drinking water (see video below). Later, they were said to have dug them up to be burned on steel girders to hide the evidence. Modern-day ground penetrating radar and test cores have conclusively shown that no such giant pits existed (they would have needed over 21 Olympic-sized swimming pools dug 50 feet down for all the bodies — see his video #11).
But let’s leave all the pertinent questions aside for right now. If you really care to learn (and you should), then just go to the following site and watch a few short videos. The guy who did them, ”Denierbud,” doesn’t want to be found out and for good reason, too. He breaks down the math on the sheer impossibilities behind Treblinka and why the Holocaust lies are such a crying shame for America.
Denierbud’s episode 2 video on the water well problem at Treblinka. This video and possibly my account may not last long on Youtube since I uploaded this. So watch it please, for my efforts. It’s not long (3:06).
The laid-back Denierbud is so persuasive in his arguments that the Jews went overboard to get him removed from Youtube (but lets his debunkers ride free and clear). So he set up a website with streaming video (broken down into small parts) to get his message out. You really need to spend a little time there to see all this and it will not take long. Watch at least #1, #2 (above), #11 and the last one (conclusion). It will not take a half hour, but watch all of them, if you can (4 hours, 15 minutes). Go to Holocaust Denial Videos and look to the left for a image of a football field and click on that.
Now why is all of this so important? Well, Denierbud makes it perfectly clear about the giant hypocrisies foisted on us Gentiles, so as to ignore the evils being perpetrated by the Zionists in the Mideast. They want Americans to think of the Jews as being “victimized” so much that they deserve their own homeland, so they can continue victimizing Palestinians for real. And it’s used to blackmail White countries (Germany has given them over 65 billion) and to keep up the money flow from the US taxpayers (trillions). Let’s also not forget that our Mideast foreign policies in favor of Israel has turned much of the world to hate us. Using lies of such magnitude and their own dead for all this is unbelievably despicable.
Here’s an excellent blog article on the Holocaust brainwashing:
“It took me until a couple of years ago to realize that our conditioning is so deep that when the programmed individual is asked to consider what evidence exists for gas chambers, what the programmed individual hears is, “No Jews were killed by the Nazis.” That’s exactly how the programming is supposed to work. It makes possible the use of the term ‘Holocaust denier’ to keep the unconditioned sheep out of the fold.
In High American Culture of the 21st Century, there’s few greater curses thrown than that of “Holocaust Denier.” It’s gotten people deported and jailed in foreign countries while multi-billion ripoff artists are sentenced to their mansions.
This conditioning is often protected through an emotional reaction. Many people get downright angry when gas chambers and evidence are brought up in the same sentence. We see this same reaction in people that have an overarching attachment to religious or political systems also. It’s not a rational, reasoned reaction to a rational, reasonable request. For others, the reaction is one of apathy. Apathy protects the conditioning by ensuring that the source of the conditioning won’t be examined and thus, the conditioning remains.” Read the rest here
Why all of this leads us to the New World Order should now be plain to see. These people do not want the Holocaust questioned and any legitimate historical reexamination to take place. Like 9/11 truth, even regular Jews instinctively understand the predicament they’ll be in should such thinking be common place among us sheep.
Three major conclusions must be hidden behind all of the Holocaust business:
One: The forces behind all the Holocaust propaganda are the very same as those behind the creation of the Zionist state of Israel; these are the wealthest people on the planet – CFR and Trilateral Jews in control of International Banking and the Federal Reserve, like the Rothschilds, Rockefellars and Warburgs. The rapidly growing Bank octopus, Goldman Sachs, was revealed here to have connections to the war mongering Neocon group JINSA, right along with the financing of Obama and God knows what else.
Two: These Jews did not arbitrarily pick the number 6 million out of thin air. This number figures predominately in the Jewish Kaballah, a Talmudic book that says 6 million Jew must die as a burnt offering so as to enable the recreation of the State of Israel. So this shows us clearly that the NWO/Banking class must be influenced a great deal by Jewish Talmudism.
In fact, they’ve been working the 6 million figure long before WWII. The American Hebrew (right), Oct. 31, 1919, pp. 582-.: “From across the sea, six million men and women call to us for help. …six million human beings… Six million men and women are dying. …in the threatened holocaust of human life. …six million famished men and women. Six million men and women are dying…” The Birdman on the Origins of the Six Million
Three: The power to push all this requires the complicity of the mainstream media, following the intentions of the NWO masters — the International Jews of the CFR, Trilaterals and global Banking — showing how much they can subtly control things behind the curtain. Oh, yeah it does.
How do you think all the business with Zionists connected to 9/11, the private money monopoly called the Federal Reserve, the stealth efforts to create a socialistic North American Union and all the lies of Iraq and Afghanistan that stays mostly uncovered — is never, ever deeply investigated by the “dogged truthseekers” in mainstream US media?
Robert Faurisson after being beaten by 3 Jew thugs in 1989.
That’s the Matrix, Neo.
The FCC laws that enabled the massive monopolization of the mainstream media by international corporate entities took the final steps during the Clinton administration (a puppet just like Bush and now Obama), although most of the parts were owned by Jewry long before. The Politically Correct Jews and White liberal traitors in media editorial positions are the first line of defense for all these giant lies, 9/11 included. Well-funded Jew Thought Police, like the ADL (Anti Defamation League of the B’nai B’rith) and even the government of Israel are ready to spring into action. Organized Jewry, below the radar, will go to war against any outspoken Gentiles using a wide variety of political and economic thuggery — even occasional physical violence to intimidate any Whites who dare to speak out.
Legal entanglements now exist in many formerly White nations like Germany and Canada, ready to pounce and haul people off to court, where they can face serious prison time and fines that can bankrupt them for life. They are working to install this very thing in the USA, just as soon as they can find a way around our First Amendment rights — by subversively hiding behind any Hate Crime laws, Gay Rights or possibly even milking parental fears of Internet pedophiles.
ADL even works to make sure revisionist texts are not in public libraries and in education that might be seen by young eyes doing homework. New programs in Britain for teaching the approved Holocaust narrative are now being created to drive home the message to the young. Classes in the Holocaust are, of course, now a part of required multicultural and sexuality indoctrination. Get ‘em while they are young, as they say (watch the conclusion Denierbud video).
Why do you think patriotic Americans like David Duke get treated like the reincarnation of evil by the media? Because he was once in the KKK? Please. It’s what the guy talks about that they don’t want you to think on. And if calling someone a “Hater” or “White supremacist” doesn’t work, ridiculing them as wearing a ”tin-foil hat” is the next best thing.
All of the lies and travesties going on in today’s world actually revolves around the greatest propaganda hoax ever perpetrated: The organized, industrial gassing of the Jews by the Nazis. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
But this Holocaust hoax is now in danger of rapidly unraveling, chiefly due to the Internet and the unbelievable fortitude of people over the decades dedicated to finding out the real truths. We can surely expect they will soon enact censorship and “hate crimes” laws to shut this down. They have way too much invested to come out and say “uh, excuse us, we made a little mistake…”
It’s all been the devious agenda of the Globalist Jews behind the curtain, the bald-faced lies and imaginations of older Jews, combined with the militant victimhood mentality of regular Jewry. This whole lying mess will soon destroy the very country that once liberated them from Hitler and killed millions of fellow Whites. Are we going to let these crazy bastards tell us what to think and say anymore?
Sorry about how deep the rabbit hole goes, Neo.
Your comments over at the sore-eye are really good.
Thank you.
Too bad you don't write your editorial in that fashion.
What do you mean by my "editorial"?
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NOW BP, WHERE the fuck are you getting the FIGURE 24% loss on SDC, and WHO is full of shit?? YOU, EYE, CITY, or Infrastructure-First??
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Dumb Ass, I didn't say a word about SDCs. This wasn't about SDCs, it was about building and permitting fees.
Here, read the fucking agenda, noting the first item listed in the working meeting, "FCS Group presentation of Fee Study for Community Development Department": http://www.ci.bend.or.us/city_hall/meeting_minutes/february_18_2009.html
Last year the General Fund covered $1.2M in costs for developers.
Sewer and water SDCs finally were raised to cover anticipated costs in July '07, right at the end of the bubble. Streets SDCs are still only at 2/3s, since the last time Oran was in office.
You know, if you had a fucking clue you would know that our current Community Development director, Mel Oberst, came from the same department in Springfield, that city with the highest fees and SDCs Oregon. He gave an impassioned plea to raise fees to covers cost of actual services, stating using examples like Sony, a bakery, several chip plants, etc. that companies like to come to places where they know exactly how fast things like plan review and inspections get done. Many of these companies paid triple the high fees just to get their plants done as fast as possible, just because that cost was insignificant if they could get plants online a month or three earlier.
Now we see if the Council listens to him or to the cries of pain from COBA.
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Where the fuck did you get # that 952 people paid $50 for COAH?? Did you get the number by dividing $50 into 45K???
Does COBA even have 952 normal paying members??
20k 'developers' have shut down in the last two years nationally, most in BEND are shut-down 2 yrs ago, but builders and workers I know in housing haven't had work for almost two years.
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Pretty simple. Went to the COBA link someone posted above, did a member search of all types, and at the bottom it said "Records 1 - 50 of 954 | Next"
https://builderfusion.coba.org/bf/website/memberDirectorySearch.jsp
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Re: You honestly think that a 1,000 people just recently gave $50k to COBA for 'affordable housing'?? You really think that??
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Are you really this obtuse? It's a check-off for a PAC that has the name Central Oregonians For Affordable Housing. It is not for affordable housing, it's for funding developer friendly candidates, like Kathie Eckman, Tom Greene, Jeff Eager, and Don Leonard. Over 98% of their money, about $150K, has come from anonymous sources. I pointed this out in an email to the Secretary of State yesterday.
Here is the list of what they have funded:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pUgdG_cx73J7uV-GVCCvkKg&hl=en
Here is a list of where their money came from:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pUgdG_cx73J6ySO0jRyb0VA&hl=en
All info is from Orestar:
https://secure.sos.state.or.us/eim/jsp/CEMainPage.jsp?CONTENT_PAGE=ce/CNESearch.jsp
IHateToBurstYourBubble said...
Folks, some Big News in Central Oregon::
Sardines are a source of vitamin D, but they can be salty
Hip replacements cost more in Central Oregon
Good Job Costa! Another Pulitzer is on its way.
Hey Bubble Boy, what the fuck planet are you on? The main headlines on the top front section covers of my morning paper say the following--
-State proposes $360M in cuts-
-$75B plan aims to stop foreclosure free-fall-
-City might revamp building fees-
-Summit boys are racing against history at state-
Looks like it's worth reading to me.
Pretty simple. Went to the COBA link someone posted above, did a member search of all types, and at the bottom it said "Records 1 - 50 of 954 | Next"
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You really THINK that ALL 954 paying member's checked a box that say's "I WANT TO THROW AWAY $50 on PUG's"??
This giveaway is a charade.
I concur that COBA 'might' have 950 paying members, but at BEST maybe 10% would have contributed to an optional PAC called 'affordable housing'.
It's a check-off for a PAC that has the name Central Oregonians For Affordable Housing.
[ I know pussy, I posted the link thinking that you might go visit the site and learn about the 'real' COBA/COAH operation. ]
It is not for affordable housing,
[ now BP, the PAC says CO for AH ]
it's for funding developer friendly candidates, like Kathie Eckman, Tom Greene, Jeff Eager, and Don Leonard. Over 98% of their money, about $150K, has come from anonymous sources.
[ That is NEWSWORTHY, $150k and nobody knows the SOURCE? WILL HBM report?? Was it 1031 money? MOSS money?? Hollern MONEY?? It sure in the hell didn't come from 950 un-employed builders. ]
I pointed this out in an email to the Secretary of State yesterday.
[ Well BP we have been telling you start sending your 'complaints' to the GOVERNOR since you should up here fall almost 1-1/2 year ago. ]
p.s. I always send my complaints to the GOVERNOR's office, and direct them to forward to whatever agency, that way the agency knows the executive knows, and things NEVER FUCKING disappear, EVER.
You get your pussy all wet about ECKMAN, but you need to learn to follow the money, all the way to the end of the road. Eckman is just a gad-fly, they offered her money, and she took it. The REAL issue is WHOSE MONEY is this and who controls the MAJORITY of our BEND GOVERNMENT?? This is supposed to be DEMOCRACY, you simply can't give the MAJORITY of funds to elect a government and have it ALL be a secret.
Sure we know that ALL the MONEY came from COBA, but we don't know WHO, and it sure as hell wasn't 'builders' because they have been living hand-to-mouth, paycheck-to-paycheck since 2006.
On a happier ameriKKKan subject someone recently asked why is the USA #1, and MURDER came to my mind. In fifty years since WWII, the USA has done most of the worlds killing. A machine that can be said to be the most efficient in Human History.
USA #1 killing machine, but can we continue to be #1 when we're broke??
1940s - nuked Japan.
Death toll: 145,000 to date in Nagasaki, 250,000 in Hiroshima
1947-49 - U.S. helps command extreme-right Greece party in Civil War.
Death toll: about 70,000 contributed by US-backed forces
1948-54 - CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion in Philippines.
Death toll: about 11,000
1950 - Independence movement crushed in Ponce, Puerto Rico
Death toll: conservative historians estimated about 8,000 peasants
1950-53 - Korean War
Death toll: about 1,776,000
1952 - CIA overthrows Democracy in Iran, installs Shah
Death toll: about 20,000
1954 - CIA directs invasion of Guatemala after new Democracy there nationalized U.S.-occupied lands
Death toll: about 140,000 missing and dead
1958 - In Lebanon, marine occupation against rebels
Death toll: about 2,000
1960-75+ - Vietnam War including Cambodia and Laos
Death toll: about 4,502,000 including civilians and resulting famines (conservative estimates)
1961 - Cuba's Bay of Pigs Invasion fails
Death toll: about 4,000
1963 - In Iraq, CIA organizes coup against President and agrees to back formerly exiled Saddam
Death toll: about 7,000 including civilians
1964 - In Panama, troops kill protesters against US-owned canal
Death toll: about 1,000
1965 - CIA assists Indonesian coup
Death toll: about 900,000
1966 - Troops and bombers threaten pro-communist parties in Dominican Republic
Death toll: about 3,000
1966-96 - Green berets in Guatemala against rebels, US backs pro-American forces in country until 1996
Death toll: about 200,000
1970 - Directs marine invasion of Oman
Death toll: about 2,000
1973 - CIA directs coup to oust elected Marxist president in Chile
Death toll: 30,000... 3,000 later disappeared under US-installed dictator
1976-92 - CIA assists South-African rebels in Angola
Death toll: median estimate at 550,000
1981-90 - CIA directs Contra invasions in Nicaragua
Death toll: median estimate at 30,000
1982-84 - Marines expel Lebanese rebels, aided by Israel
Death toll: 40,000
1987-88 - US intervenes for Iraq against Iran
Death toll: about 150,000 during time-frame, 100,000 during Desert Storm, 350,000 from resulting famine
1989 - US invades to oust CIA-installed Panamanian government gone rouge
Death toll: 2,000
1992-94 - US-led occupation of Somalia during civil war
Death toll: 50,000 in combat, 300,000 by starvation
2001+ - US Occupies Afghanistan
Death toll: 120,000 including civilians and combatants and resulting Opium Wars
2003+ - Iraqi War
Death toll: 665,000 also by starvation, displacement
TOTAL: 10,431,000
Can 'Marketing' (COVA) taxpayer money, repair the BEND BRAND???
Both sides of this debate use Bend "exceptionalism" as the basis of a brand image. But in the present state of world affairs, nothing now makes the US unique.
The Democracy, although it elected one unusual person, depends on the support of massive injections of cash to the winner. Other democracies do not depend on the personal "cash appeal" of the candidates. US democracy has become less representative of the majority and more representative of paying interests than in many other countries.
[ COBA/COAH provides a glimpse of Bend Exceptionalism. ]
Their economy was bigger, better and more profitable. But, with outsourcing and the financial implosion, the capital base necessary to rebuild and reboot the economy is now lacking. After the Stimuli, the total debt and interest payments towards Banks preclude any investment surplus being built up, except by the Banks themselves. Without capital, "entrepreneurship" is a non-starter, as any African country can tell you.
Innovation? The present educational rankings, and the upcoming financial inability to import researchers from abroad will weigh heavily on it's competivity.
Ethics? One person will not change a system, nor a country in which the only real ethic is personal enrichment. I will grant that other countries are not much better but that doesn't help shine the silver.
One could mention other ethical "stances"; from Human rights to torture. Is America capable of restructuring it's moral basis?. Unfortunately, as long as they support military force in Gaza (by Israel), in Afghanistan, etc. where civilians deaths are largely deliberately uncounted, no one can possibly believe that healthy human kindness is part of the present requirements for the military. There is also a large under-reported problem of returning soldiers (in Israel as well) that are no longer capable of living in a normal society. Suicides, conjugal violence, arrogance towards people of other races and religions are common. it will mean that at least another generation will be necessary before they can be absorbed and the "brand" try to regain it's sheen.
The question; "will it regain it's brand image as the best (and unique)?", can be answered simply, "the truth will out". Now that the world has learned to look beyond the media, political, military and Banking cover-ups, no amount of marketing will bring back their erstwhile innocence.
You know, if you had a fucking clue you would know that our current Community Development director, Mel Oberst, came from the same department in Springfield, that city with the highest fees and SDCs Oregon.
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The pussy has been in ORYGUN how long an hour??
If the pussy knew anything, then he would know that SPRINGFIELD is to the right of BEND. Springfield may be near Eugene ( college liberal ), but but Springfield is a PUG bedroom community.
Please BP, don't tell us that SPRINGFIELD is a role model for Bend. Springfield is also home to Hinckle the kid that killed his parents.
Infrastructure First, reported years ago that Wilsonville had the highest SDC collection rate in Oregon.
That is why Sebastian and 1/2 dozen other developers came to Bend in 2002, to escape the Wilsonville SDC cost.
They came to Bend to build for zero-down, and MINIMUM upfront city-fee's, e.g. BEND is/was a racket setup by developers to make developers rich, the trouble is/was HOLLERN setup the racket in 1998, and couldn't put up a gate to keep out the competition. Good news is today all the 'sebastians' are BK and gone. Hollern is the last man standing, and made a fortune post 1998.
If the pussy knew anything, then he would know that SPRINGFIELD is to the right of BEND. Springfield may be near Eugene ( college liberal ), but but Springfield is a PUG bedroom community.
He's right. Springfield is to Eugene what Redmond is to Bend. The ugly red-headed step sister.
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I concur that COBA 'might' have 950 paying members, but at BEST maybe 10% would have contributed to an optional PAC called 'affordable housing'.
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Yes, that is likely true. So where the money really came from is the question.
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Please BP, don't tell us that SPRINGFIELD is a role model for Bend.
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I didn't say role model. I said that Oberst argued that higher permit fees actually brought in companies with jobs because they knew the timeline wouldn't slip. And some even paid triple fees for a guaranteed timeline.
I didn't say role model. I said that Oberst argued that higher permit fees actually brought in companies with jobs because they knew the timeline wouldn't slip. And some even paid triple fees for a guaranteed timeline.
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Four years ago 'infrastructure first' wrote the book on this issue here in BEND, I highly suggest you visit their site, and read all the work that has already been done.
Nothing is worse than a newbie pussy that thinks he has found god.
Redmond is to Bend.
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Redmond used to be Poverty, but Bend had a view.
Today Redmond actually has MORE going for it, ... its BEND that is BK.
Who is MORE PUG?? I think BEND. Who is more SMUG? BEND.
Eugene is a college town, but yes Springfield is essentially Redmond.
But BEND?? Bend is Redmond ran by big-titty beautiful people, the reason folks don't like redmond is cuz of red-necks, but truth be told, Redmond looks down on Bend, for Bend is a town of hypocritic PUG's. At least Redmond people are real, and they know it cuz, they have a super-walmart.
No pussy, what you said was that springfield had the highest STD collection in the State, and according to 'infrastructure first' wilsonville collects the MOST STD per home in the State.
The 'truth' who the fuck knows, but I can tell you this, it sure and the hell ain't the shithole springfield.
Yes, the HIGH TECH CHIPPER's in recent years PAID premium to 'fast track' the approval, but these be polluters, so in the long term Springfield GOT FUCKED by fast-track, and today is MOOT cuz all the chippers have LEFT.
BP, why don't you create a new blog called 'Bend Review' or something that resembles a real newspaper???
It would be easy to setup.
Your JR is too focussed on that single issue of JR, and what really needs to be done is have a site that focuses on the issues of the day, which change,
I say this cuz the SORE or BULL sure as hell aren't going to ever give us any information
What is the true SDC cost?
What we need is a market, such as a derivative, to find the true value.
Perhaps a model along synthetic CDO [Collateralized debt obligations] quadrupled instruments would do it most efficiently.
Major mea culpa from me--my data sort didn't sort everything right. I just went back through and redid it. In some ways its better (no $40,000 anonymouse donors, it was COBA) and in some ways worse (Eckman put $8000 of her own money in, COAR/COAH put in $17,000)
Updated numbers:
Eckman Contributions
TOTAL $38,484.47
Self funding $8,538.76
COAH/COAR $17,671.34
Greene Contributions
Total $27,729.34
COAH/COAR $16,292.34
Eager Contributions
TOTAL $40,359.34
COAH/COAR $20,671.34
COAH Funding
TOTAL $115,263.40
Miscellaneous Cash Contributions $100 and under TOTAL $27,350.00
Central Oregon Builders Association TOTAL $79,106.92
COAH Spending
TOTAL $152K
COAR Funding
TOTAL $37,102.80
All but $100 anonymous
COAR Spending
TOTAL $26,259.26
And a new one I noted, the Bend Business PAC:
Funding
TOTAL $8,065.00
Bulletin in-kind $4000
Spending
TOTAL $3,860.59
Which seems very incomplete because the candidates report receiving the following amounts from the BB PAC, while the BB PAC doesn't list any candidate spending:
Eckman $1625
Greene $1625
Eager $1625
Re: BP, why don't you create a new blog called 'Bend Review' or something that resembles a real newspaper???
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I've be thinking of widening the purview, some along the lines of JR and other Bend politics in action.
Data source-Orestar transaction search page: https://secure.sos.state.or.us/eim/jsp/CEMainPage.jsp?CONTENT_PAGE=ce/CNESearch.jsp
Re: No pussy, what you said was that springfield had the highest STD collection in the State..
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Yeah, going back I did add SDCs to that sentence--I didn't mean to. The discussion last night had nothing to do with SDCs, it was about fees for building permits, inspections, plan review, etc. I just repeated what Mel stated regarding fee levels.
Re: SDC calculation
Sewer and Water Methodology Study from 2008
Springfield is to Eugene what Redmond is to Bend.
Redmond is kinda like Springfield but Bend is nothing like Eugene -- too many Republicans, too many status-seekers, too many "lifestyle" poseurs and no college. Well, no REAL college.
More on Tami Sawyer:
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Sawyer, Tami (Bend) Broker
#900400230
Stipulated order dated December 29, 2006 issuing limitations of supervisory oversight upon the license of Tami Sawyer.
This matter is in response to a complaint that the Real Estate Agency received from Seller S that alleged that Sawyer failed to perform and to exercise reasonable care and diligence in a transaction where Seller S would be the seller and a company solely owned by Sawyer would be the buyer. Seller S’s property was subject to a foreclosure action at the time that Sawyer’s company made an offer.
After appropriate management approval, the investigation revealed three additional transactions that were similar to that of Seller S. The stipulated order recites the following violations that occurred in one or more of the transactions:
• Failed to note the time of acceptance of the offers, in violation of OAR 863-015-0135(3) pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition).
• Made the earnest money promissory notes payable on or before closing, not on acceptance of theoffer by the seller or payable within a stated time after seller’s acceptance in violation of OAR 863 015 0135 (5), pursuant to ORS 696.301(27)(2003 Edition).
• Failed to adequately disclose in the offers that Sawyer was a licensed real estate associate broker and a member of the buyer company. Rather, Sawyer stated “One of the members of Starboard LLC is an Oregon Licensed Real Estate Associate Broker” in violation of OAR 863-015-0145(1)(5) pursuant to ORS 696.301(27 (2003 Edition).
• Failed to prepare an addendum extending the closing date and failed to include all the terms and conditions of the transaction in violation of OAR 863-015-0135(5), pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition).
• Provided listing agreements to her principal broker but failed to provide her principal broker with certain transaction documents after the deal was dead. Sawyer’s assistant failed to follow company policy, and, therefore, Sawyer inadvertently conducted professional real estate activities outside the scope and control of her principal broker, in violation of OAR 863-015-0145(3) pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition)
• Failed to have Sawyer’s company sign the $1,000 earnest money promissory note, putting the seller in a position of possible harm, in violation of ORS 696.805(3)(c) pursuant to ORS 696.815(2)(a) and ORS 696.301(33) (2003 Edition).
• Represented Starboard LLC as a seller prior to the company actually being in title, in violation of ORS 696.301(1) (2003 Edition).
• Failed to produce a termination agreement, in violation of OAR 863-015-0135(5) pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition).
• Submitted to escrow an original and a revised first page of an earnest money agreement showing two different purchase amounts and terms demonstrating negligence in performing an act for which the licensee is required to hold a license in violation of ORS 696.301(28) (2003 Edition).
• Failed to produce a written Disclosed Limited Agency Agreement in violation of OAR 863-015-0210 pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition).
• Made the $1,000 earnest money promissory note payable to AmeriTitle South when the transaction escrow was set up to close at First American Title, in violation of ORS 696.815(2)(a) and ORS 696.301(33) (2003 Edition). (NOTE: In any circumstance, promissory notes should be made payable to the seller or the seller’s broker—not to escrow).
• Failed to disclose to the potential buyer that the property was in foreclosure, that Sawyer was attempting to negotiate a short sale, and that the underlying sale needed to close before Sawyer could complete the sale to the potential buyer, in violation of ORS 696.815(2)(a)and ORS 696.301(33) (2003 Edition).
• Failed to produce a written Disclosed Limited Agency Agreement in violation of OAR 863-015-0210 pursuant to ORS 696.301(27) (2003 Edition).
In mitigation of these violations, the Real Estate Agency acknowledges the licensee’s efforts to improve processes, manage risk, and improve communication with her clients. She also has willingly agreed to submit to additional supervision to assure future transactions do not incur the same difficulties.
Source: http://www.oregon.gov/REA/EDU/docs/OREN-J_3-07.pdf
Wow, not that's taking flipping to a whole new level--selling a house before even purchasing it. Truly creative business dealings!
The thread on the first Sawyer story about Kevin being place on leave is up to 75 pages.
Regarding Homer's complaints about the Bulletin -- well, for that matter, the whole point of this blog. It wouldn't exist if there wasn't problem with print newspapers. I think this article makes a good point that we don't need print newspapers anymore, but we DO need some sort of investigative journalism that can't be done by bloggers sitting around in their underpants with a beer (or three) in hand . . . .
Interesting opinion from an economist (Bruce Ackerman) in the UK:
A NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR JOURNALISM
The traditional newspaper is dying. The Evening Standard has been sold off for a pound to a former KGB agent, the Los Angeles Times is bankrupt and even the New York Times is in trouble. Mexican plutocrat Carlos Slim may become its largest shareholder in return for financing the paper's billion-dollar debt.
Except for the financial press, newspapers have failed to convince readers to pay for online access – and there is no reason to think that readers will suddenly succumb to the charms of PayPal.
The newspaper bust has been good for one business. Policy wonks have been charging into the breach with a host of different solutions to the escalating crisis. Aside from the usual appeals for tax breaks and bail-outs, the more innovative proposals come in two types. On the private side, there have been calls for charities to endow newspapers or to subsidise political reporting. On the public side, the success of the BBC and American Public Broadcasting provides a paradigm that might be extended to the print media.
There is a third way out. We urge democracies throughout the world to consider the creation of national endowments for journalism that are carefully designed to confront the impending collapse of investigative reporting.
The real concern is not the newspaper, but news coverage. It's not clear that print news is a viable technology. Classified ads are more efficiently delivered by websites. Nobody under 50 waits to read all about stock prices or sports scores in the morning edition. The government should sit back and let the market decide the right way to distribute the news.
But there are huge costs to losing a vibrant core of investigative reporters covering local, national and international stories. The internet is well suited to detect scandals that require lots of bloggers to spend a little bit of time searching for bits of incriminating evidence. But it's no substitute for serious investigative reporting that requires weeks of intelligent inquiry to get to the heart of the problem. Without Woodwards and Bernsteins, there will be even more Nixons and Madoffs raining mayhem and destruction.
It will take decades to revitalise investigative journalism if we allow the present corps of reporters to disintegrate. This is happening at an alarming rate. A Pew study indicates that 15,000 journalists lost their jobs in the US in 2008, with reductions of more than 20% at large newspapers. These grim numbers are harbingers of a worldwide crisis that undermines the very foundation of liberal democracy. Any serious solution should focus exclusively on this problem – the collapse of investigative journalism, not the fate of particular delivery systems.
The problem with a BBC-style solution is clear enough. It is one thing for government to serve as one source of investigation but quite another for it to dominate the field. A near-monopoly would mean the death of critical inquiry.
There are serious problems with private endowments as well. For starters, there is the matter of scale. Pro Publica, an innovative private foundation for investigative reporting, is currently funding 28 journalists. It is hard to make the case for a massive increase in private funding when university endowments are crashing throughout the world, imperilling basic research. More fundamentally, a system of private endowments creates perverse incentives. Insulated from the profit motive, the endowments will pursue their own agendas without paying much attention to the issues that the public really cares about.
Here is where our system of national endowments enters the argument. In contrast to current proposals, we do not rely on public or private do-gooders to dole out money to their favourite journalists. Each national endowment would subsidise investigations on a strict mathematical formula based on the number of citizens who actually read their reports on news sites.
Some might find this prospect daunting. Readers may flock to sensationalist tabloids that will also qualify for grants for their "investigations". But common sense, as well as fundamental liberal values, counsels against any governmental effort to regulate the quality of news. So long as the endowment only subsidises investigative expenditures, in-depth reporting will get a large share of the fund – provided that it generates important stories that generate broad interest.
The endowment must monitor media hits and circulation counts. This is doable. Advertisers already rely on independent audits. So can the government. Some governmental monitoring of financial matters is also necessary. News organisations would otherwise be tempted to obtain subsidies for marketing and business operations. Without minimising the problems involved in institutional design, the creation of an effective and disciplined national endowment seems entirely realistic.
The crisis in reporting comes at the worst possible time, when a broad range of industries are lining up for big bail-outs. We generally oppose government efforts to second-guess the market. But this case really is special. Liberal democracy can survive a crisis in the auto or construction industry, but it cannot do without a vibrant fourth estate.
Cracker Ass is NO longer loaning $$$ for Spec Housing oh shit, I'll be blogging and drinking beer the rest of my fucking life.
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[February 19, 2009]
Central Oregon builders get scrappy, resourceful in face of downturn
(Bulletin, The (Bend, OR) Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) Feb. 15--The economic downturn has hit Central Oregon builders hard, and many are doing whatever it takes to survive.
That includes everything from tackling remodeling projects to learning how to meet customer demand for more sustainable homes, said Mike Jensen, spokesman for the Central Oregon Builders Association, based in Bend.
"Even though everyone has been affected by the downturn in the economy, the folks that are doing the business model the right way -- those are the ones still doing fairly well," Jensen said. "They still have money to make investments." Smart companies that are able to change their business models will come out of the current recession in good shape, he said. They will have a tough time doing things the old way, both because the demand for housing has diminished and banks are not lending money for speculative projects, according to representatives from the building and banking industries.
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"Builders have to go back to the drawing board and change the way they do business," Jensen said. "Instead of buying 20 or 40 acres at a time to do a large development, maybe they will purchase 5 acres or purchase lots that are in default." The changes are partly the result of a drop in demand, but they're also due to a change in consumer tastes, Jensen said.
"We used to be able to see a lot of normal Craftsman-style homes with basic features," he said. "There is a more savvy homeowner now who is asking (for) and receiving a much more sustainable home." Builders are changing their business plans in a market where new building permits were down 68 percent in December throughout Central Oregon compared with December 2007 and slipped 53 percent for all of 2008 from the previous year, according to statistics from Don Patton, publisher of "The Central Oregon Housing Market Letter." Like many builders around the region, Pahlisch Homes Inc. has reduced its staff to a skeleton crew.
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The company has shrunk from 66 employees in 2006 to 10 and has started remodeling work and building custom homes for individual buyers in non-Pahlisch communities, said Dennis Pahlisch, company president. In the past, the company has always built only in Pahlisch Homes communities.
The company negotiated with Bank of the Cascades to transfer back to the bank two of its communities -- Fieldstone Crossing in Redmond and Saddlestone in Sisters, according to Deschutes County records.
Pahlisch could not comment on the negotiations with the bank, but the company has taken its name off signs at both developments and has taken both communities off its Web site, he said.
Despite the slowdown, Pahlisch is continuing work in some of its seven remaining communities, Dennis Pahlisch said.
The company plans to start building within 30 days four townhomes and one single-family home at Stonegate, a Pahlisch community in southeast Bend.
"We got our inventory down to a point where we're ready to start building new homes again," he said.
The company sold 88 homes in 2008, including 15 at Stonegate, Pahlisch said.
Other townhomes are planned at McCall Landing in northeast Bend off Empire Avenue, where the company also will start building four new townhomes by the end of March, Pahlisch said.
The townhomes -- each of which will include a washer and dryer, refrigerator and window coverings -- will be priced between $185,000 and $199,000, Pahlisch said.
"There hasn't been anything like that on the market from Pahlisch in the last six years," he said.
Builders like Pahlisch are facing a changed lending environment where banks are no longer lending money for development projects, said Patricia Moss, president and CEO of Cascade Bancorp, parent company of Bank of the Cascades.
The bank in the past made loans to developers to develop the land or lots and sell the homes, but those loans are challenging now because there is so much inventory on the market, Moss said.
"It would be very difficult to qualify right now," Moss said. "There is not enough absorption of lots. There is too much inventory of lots and homes." Speculative builders will have a tough time getting loans to develop lots because there are so many lot choices on the market, Moss said.
Pre-sold custom homes are the most likely to qualify for loans in this market, she said.
"Those are the projects that you are typically seeing financed now," Moss said. "Rather than projects being builder-financed, they are homeowner-financed." Another builder, Bend-based Woodhill Homes Inc., is changing its business model to include more commercial work and green building in general, said George Hale, company president.
The company, which completed eight production-style subdivisions totaling more than 350 homes in Bend and Redmond from 2001 to 2008, has changed to remodel work, apartment building and doing tenant improvements for commercial space locally and outside the region, Hale said.
"We're retooling our houses to see if we can build a more efficient, more affordable house," Hale said. "We have tried to set ourselves up and learn as much as we can about green building. When things come back, there will be heavy incentives on green building." The company is not building any houses right now, but when demand picks up, it plans to build much more affordable houses, he said. The new housing type will be different from the Craftsman-style homes the company built in the past and will have a more modern look, Hale said.
In the meantime, the company has started doing commercial tenant-improvement jobs and is trying to pick up light remodel work.
Another possible niche is maintaining foreclosed properties for banks.
"Some of these properties have weeds growing up around the house and broken windows. It just devalues (the bank's) assets," he said. "That's another avenue we're trying to do." Another longtime builder has gone back to its roots, both in size and what it builds.
Palmer Homes started as a builder of custom homes in 1977 but grew into a neighborhood and production builder in the mid-1990s.
With production building of large developments no longer viable in Central Oregon, Palmer Homes is moving back into custom-home building and affordable-housing projects, said co-owner Gretchen Palmer.
The company now has a small staff, Palmer said.
She and her husband, Vernon Palmer, defaulted on at least six loans since November, according to Deschutes County Clerk's Office records.
"We gave some projects back to the bank because we couldn't afford to carry them any longer," Gretchen Palmer said. "I don't think we've ever seen anything like this in the 30-plus years we've been in business." The company is slowly selling its remaining inventory of homes in Bend and moving on, Palmer said.
"The custom market is less vulnerable to the economic failures that we're seeing today," she said. "The people who are building custom homes generally have an easier time getting the loans to build their homes.
It's a whole different ballgame." For the smaller, nonproduction builders, the new market has brought changes, too.
More competition for fewer jobs means builders and their subcontractors have to accept lower prices for work, said David Rink, owner of D.E.
Rink Construction Inc., based in Bend since 1979.
The company does a mix of custom-home construction and remodeling, as well as commercial work, Rink said.
"We didn't get into the (speculative) building that everyone else was doing," Rink said. "We saw this recession coming. We planned ahead and did our best to pay off debt. We saved money." The cost of remodeling a family room, which might have been $60,000 two years ago, could now be about $40,000, Rink said.
"We are totally doing different things -- we are listening more to what clients want and they want to spend less money," he said. "We are looking at our overhead and finding ways to reduce it. We are going back to early (1990s) pricing." To see more of The Bulletin, or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.bendbulletin.com Copyright (c) 2009, The Bulletin, Bend, Ore.
Distributed by McClatchy-Tribune Information Services, courtesy of BB2.
I know you just parroted what mel told you but that's the point without 40+ years of being in ORYGUN you can be snowed by these folks.
That's why its just best for people to post what they hear (trumors), and share info, and we'll pick it apart and figure if it makes sense.
Another thing you got to be careful with is all this shit from the city that you post, most of it is written by COBA, the planning dept, city affordable-housing, city-planning, UGB, ... SDC plannng and calc all written by COBA from COBA'a history point of view, and so much of city-staff & council are newbies all this shit just like you do is assumed to be true.
The crisis in reporting comes at the worst possible time, when a broad range of industries are lining up for big bail-outs. We generally oppose government efforts to second-guess the market. But this case really is special. Liberal democracy can survive a crisis in the auto or construction industry, but it cannot do without a vibrant fourth estate.
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Losing the 'forth estate' will be NO FUCKING lose, your talking about NY fucking AIPAC whores, the sooner they're gone the better.
Citizen Urnalism is the future (sic), trouble is they'll have this net well censored very soon.
BK print biz is NO fucking excuse for criminality of the BULL.
RE: I know you just parroted what mel told you but that's the point without 40+ years of being in ORYGUN you can be snowed by these folks.
That's why its just best for people to post what they hear (trumors), and share info, and we'll pick it apart and figure if it makes sense.
Another thing you got to be careful with is all this shit from the city that you post, most of it is written by COBA, the planning dept, city affordable-housing, city-planning, UGB, ... SDC plannng and calc all written by COBA from COBA'a history point of view, and so much of city-staff & council are newbies all this shit just like you do is assumed to be true.
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Hey, I never said don't take it with a grain of salt. It's raw information. You can either read it and be a little better informed or listen to some anonymouse who claims to know THE TRUTH, THE HISTORY.
Your choice.
Mel was arguing for higher fees so his department doesn't have to sponge off the general fund to help developers. I like that kind of thinking.
What is the true SDC cost?
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City's like Wilsonville ORYGUN know exactly what it costs in terms of service for a new home, and today its very near $75k, which is far below the high in Bend of was charging of $12k, when at that time it was $60k.
Given our problems now, the fact that most SDC is now used for DEBT, and the fact that little was done in the good times, now its easy to suggest that the cost of every new home in Bend for SDC's is $100k/home.
The trouble with all city data that BP is posting is that it was ALL written by COBA. This is truly like letting the wolves count the chickens nightly in the coop, and then letting the BULL report the chicken count to the owners.
NOW that COBA completely OWNS city-hall & city-staff, you can assume that ALL city code and city policy will 100% be written by COBA.
No need to use derivatives or futures or the stock-market to determine SDC cost in BEND. THE SDC cost should be what it costs to fund the new schools, cops, and all infrastructure, storm, water, shit, power, ... ALL associated with a new home. That is a well known figure, the trouble is in BEND its impossible because COBA chairs all the city meetings writing the findings in secret. The city-staff just rubber stamps the COBA findings, been this way for 16+ years.
FUCK COBA they don't pay the FUCKING taxes, the way they have shit setup with SDC deferral they pay nothing, but run the city, but its gets WORSE cuz their WHORE-BANK stole $200M of city money and passed it to MDU of for which she got $200k/year.
Bend doesn't need anything that a light on cockroaches wouldn't fix, and until there is NEW media in BEND nothing will change, cuz the SORE&BULL will NEVER put light on the COCK-HO-ROACH, especially given that MDU is the SORES best customer.
Hey, I never said don't take it with a grain of salt. It's raw information. You can either read it and be a little better informed or listen to some anonymouse who claims to know THE TRUTH, THE HISTORY.
Your choice.
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I would rather be fed raw information from the pussy, and not have it ran through a shit detector.
Just reminding you that almost all the shit you post from city, or even 'mel' cuz as we ALL fucking know working city-staff in BEND is just a stepping stone to a real JOB @ BROOKS RESOURCES.
That EVERY FUCKING CITY DOC THAT YOU READ OR PUBLISH WAS EDITED BY COBA, and MOST LIKELY WRITTEN BY COBA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Re: Just reminding you that almost all the shit you post from city, or even 'mel' cuz as we ALL fucking know working city-staff in BEND is just a stepping stone to a real JOB @ BROOKS RESOURCES.
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Mel has been in city building departments in Oregon for over 25 years. I think he would have gotten a job with a developer long ago if that was his goal.
There are lots of 'mels' what you don't know is that SPRINGFIELD sucks, its a shitty place to work, and now that the PUBLIC biz is dying many want a private job, all these people who did 'inspections' for planning now have no work and are facing layoff, ... Why the fuck do you think mel left Springfield for Bend? I can tell you why, its the same reason that any low level nobody leaves the valley for Redmond or Bend, over here they'll make a retard into a mayor or VP, while over there you rot.
All 'building depts' are different, there are non alike in ORYGUN, some countys its a fucking dream, and in places like PDX its a nightmare that makes Bend look like a fucking dream.
The fact that mel is stuck in public for 25 yrs, and just now came to BEND, simply means he came over here to 'retire' on the job.
Once again the OREO proves he has no ball's or is he just afraid what Rush Limbaugh will say???
Obama skirts Guantanamo detainee Issue while on Canadian Holiday
Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:08pm EST
OTTAWA (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper did not bring up the issue of a Guantanamo Bay detainee Omar Khadr when they met on Thursday, a senior Canadian official said.
Opposition parties had urged Harper to ask Obama to repatriate Canadian-born Khadr, who is charged with murdering a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan in 2002 when he was 15. They say he should be treated as a child soldier. He is 22 now.
Harper's stance has been that the charges are too serious for him to intervene in the case. Obama is having to decide what to do with Khadr and other Guantanamo detainees since he has promised to shut down the prison camp at the U.S. military base in Cuba
The Canadian official, briefing reporters on condition of anonymity, said the case did not arise during the summit.
Opposition Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, however, raised it in a brief meeting with Obama at the end of his visit to Ottawa.
"The president thanked us for our concern, said they are reviewing all the cases, trying to figure out basically who the bad guys are," Ignatieff told CBC television.
"He distinguished between Type 1, Type 2, Type 3. He did not indicate which category in which he was placing Mr. Khadr, but was glad to know that a Canadian party's concerned about Mr. Khadr."
hbm said...
Springfield is to Eugene what Redmond is to Bend.
Redmond is kinda like Springfield but Bend is nothing like Eugene -- too many Republicans, too many status-seekers, too many "lifestyle" poseurs and no college. Well, no REAL college.
Wrong again, my pompous pal. As someone who was born in Bend more that 50 years ago, and didn't just slither his way up from the Gay Area 15 or 20 years ago, I can tell you that the comparison is more right-on than you know. I even went to U of O, and am quite familiar with Eugene and the whole inner workings of that pachouli patch.
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The fact that mel is stuck in public for 25 yrs
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No, the fact is that you are an ASSHOLE.
You don't stay stuck in public. You do what you want to do. Some of us actually like to try to improve our surroundings we live in rather than suck every penny we can out of them.
JANUARY 2009 GORILLA CAPITAL FORECLOSURE REPORT
The Number of Oregon Homes Headed to Foreclosure
Continues to Climb in 2009
Homes headed to foreclosure continued to rise throughout the state of Oregon during the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first month 2009 with a total of 2,420 notices of default filed in 13 western Oregon counties between Oct. 1, 2008 and Dec. 31, 2008, a 117 percent increase from the previous quarter. A notice of default is the official beginning of the foreclosure process.
These numbers come as no surprise to those of us who have been studying the state’s housing market. It’s likely that we will continue to see increasing numbers of home foreclosures in the state of Oregon in the months ahead as the number of Notices of Default is a leading indicator of the foreclosure real estate market.
As the state’s largest purchaser of homes sold at foreclosure auction, Gorilla Capital keeps detailed records on foreclosure statistics throughout the state, tracking thousands of properties each year. The foreclosure statistics in the counties in which Gorilla operates reveal some interesting trends in the Oregon housing market, including the following:
* Of the counties for which 2007 and 2008 data was available, Deschutes County had the highest spike in homes headed to foreclosure with a 238% increase in notices of default.
* Of the same counties, Coos County had the “lowest” increase with a 38% increase in notices of default.
* The percentage increase of the other counties:
o In Benton County, notices of default increased 94% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Douglas County, notices of default increased 70% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Jackson County, notices of default increased 124% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Josephine County, notices of default increased 59% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Lane County, notices of default increased 56% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Lincoln County, notices of default increased 223% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
o In Linn County, notices of default increased 85% in 2008 as compared to 2007.
* Not all homes that enter the foreclosure process are sold at foreclosure auction; a majority of homeowners are able to avoid foreclosure either by selling their home or working with their lender to bring their loan current. In 2008, 34% -- about one in three homes -- that received a Notice of Default ended up being sold at foreclosure auctions.
* The first month of 2009 appears to be following the 2008 trend, as the we saw an 81% percent increase in the number of Notices of Default between January of 2008 and January 2009.
Another interesting trend that can be seen in the data released by Gorilla Capital is the rising percentage of homes being sold to banks. In 2007, an estimated 78 percent of Oregon homes in foreclosure were sold to banks. In 2008 that number increased to 91 percent. In January of 2009, an estimated 94 percent were sold to banks.
The figures we are seeing suggest the housing recession is far from over in Oregon. We can expect to see hundreds more homes being sold at auction in the months ahead, offering ample opportunities for buyers.
About Gorilla Capital
Gorilla Capital is Oregon’s largest purchaser of homes sold at foreclosure auctions. Operating in 13 Oregon counties — Benton, Coos, Crook, Curry, Deschutes, Douglas, Jackson, Jefferson, Josephine, Klamath, Lane, Lincoln, and Linn — the company is based in Eugene, Ore. Gorilla Capital provides value pricing to home buyers by offering carefully selected homes that have been cleaned and repaired and are priced to sell. All homes come with a third party, 1-year warranty.
Gorilla Capital tracks and reviews over 10,000 foreclosure properties annually, in order to find and acquire quality properties to offer to home buyers. Gorilla Capital provides options for buyers seeking affordable foreclosure sale homes.
To receive a monthly Gorilla foreclosure report simply go to the "Email Alerts" page and check the box marked "Monthly Foreclosure Reports." You will automatically receive our monthly foreclosure report.
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CEO
1400 High Street Suite B-2
Eugene, OR 97401
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Buster, I just dig and publish. I don't rely on my alki memory of TRUTH and HISTORY. Big diff.
http://centrepointnews.com/?p=1559&no_cj_c=1 Putin warning u.s of socialism and the trouble it caused russia Unbelievable the former kgb
http://www.therightperspective.org/?p=1472
What the fuck does Putin have to do with Bend?
You just trying to change the subject again?
A big yes, cuz now with the Jesuits out, I got nobody to suck my dick, and the girls don't give me the time of day.
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Are NW schools affected by Jesuits' bankruptcy?
Seattle Post Intelligencer - 2 hours ago
Fred Naffziger, an expert on Catholic Church bankruptcy issues who teaches business law at Indiana University South Bend, agreed that even if a school is a ...
Wrong again, my pompous pal. As someone who was born in Bend more that 50 years ago, and didn't just slither his way up from the Gay Area 15 or 20 years ago, I can tell you that the comparison is more right-on than you know. I even went to U of O, and am quite familiar with Eugene and the whole inner workings of that pachouli patch.
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Normally having in been a patient father to BP for 1-1/2 yr on this fucking KUNT PUG blog, I would bail, the PUSSY to me was always a compliment, to indicate that BP was a naive Bambist, but as time evolves it is clear that BP is every bit a Darwinian as PBM.
Dunc say's that I'm a cross between E-Goldman and Mussolini, and yes the "Prince" is one of my favorite books who besides dunc here has read??
So I patient with the BP, but what we do here is call one another on the SHIT, and BP takes it personal.
I don't know what to SAY, except PUSSY to take it to the next level you must release EGO.
I suspect, and this might be profoundly philosophical with the group, but the being public is about 'ego' and those of us 'non-public' of course its not about ego, its too bad there is not a all non-pub forum, where we could dispense with all the 'ego boyz', but sadly, ...
BP I have tried to be a father figure since you have arrive in fall of 2007, but honestly of all the students I have mentored in my zillion years, you are the most dense and self deluded. I don't give a fuck what your agenda is, but just tell me so we can accelerate the process.
As I have said so many times over the years, there is no argument that what is now Israel and surrounding area was 90 percent Palestinian at the time time of the First World War. Zionists massively immigrated and then terrorized the Palestinians and took their land, their homes, their businesses, their farms, expelled hundreds of thousands and then did not let them return to the place of their birth. All the lies and prevarication cannot change this fact of history. Israel is a nation founded on terror, founded on human rights violations, and still is the most murderous, warlike state on earth, only eclipsed perhaps by America, which is in the complete political and media control of Zionist agents. They have led America into murderous policies such as the Iraq embargo (which killed over a million people) and into wars for Israel such as in Iraq that have led to death for more than a million people and agony for millions more. Not only has the Arab world suffered from this Zionist control of America. It has led to disastrous loss of life and limb and damage to our own brave sons as well as devastating effects on the American economy and its international interests. — Dr. Duke
. I even went to U of O, and am quite familiar with Eugene and the whole inner workings of that pachouli patch.
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Bring tears to my fucking EYES, I was in Eugene when they filmed 'animal house', and Eugene is no fucking BEND, PUSSY, POT, BEER, COCAINE, HEROIN 24/7, ... you only wish in BEND.
In Bend at that time you would luck to find a cowboy in spurs playing with his dick.
Yes, Springfield is Redmond, 10X Springfield is one of the MOST right-wing conservative shit-holes in ORYGUN, but what is BEND?
Bend was never like Eugene, and HBM is "RIGHT" Bend doesn't have a college UofO is/was the best in ORYGUN and that ain't saying much, but if UofO is a 5, then COCC is zero.
We all know what Eugene 'was', I think its become very conservative in the last 20 yrs, hell I used to go to 'Country fair' in Veneta every year, it was nudity, dope, pussy, sex, and repeat, then about 10+ years ago the party went inside after hours, and then a couple years ago the the party went away, today if YOU want to PARTY in ORYGUN you Got to go to BURNING-MAN.
BEND has always been a right-wing PUG, cop central fucking SHIT-HOLE, how fucking BAD?? I would like BEND to Oakridge, praytell they just got their first micro-brewpub in 2009!!!
Comparing Eugene to Bend, and Eugene to Orygun? How Bend is just "REDMOND WITH A VIEW".
MARK THOSE FUCKING WORD's "BEND IS REDMOND WITH A VIEW", and the trouble is these days many redmond shit-shacks have a better view.
I don't rely on my alki memory of TRUTH and HISTORY.
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I concur PUSSY, its better to be a newbie MORMRON from Utah and to have shined a flash-light up HOLLERNS arse and see the HEMMRHOIDS. Such is the way, but note, not eye ever said it was the only way.
Say what you want, I have fucked 100's of women.
Jew pussy is the best. They have the biggest tits by breed, and all 100% natural do Jewish women even bother to 'enlarge'?
Fucking? Holy shit, hot to trot, I have never been with any other breed of women that want to fuck every fucking day.
So FUCK all you anti-semites, bring me a Jewish woman.
Jeebus another Cessna Story, here I'll post it then comment, I'm a pilot, so at the least I can translate this shit to Bendian ( sounds like hair-lip ).
Cessna Tells Owners Of Changes On New Corvalis Models
Fri, 20 Feb '09
New 02 System In 400 TT, Optional A/C Delete
Hot on the heels of its renaming of the former Columbia 350 and 400, Cessna has announced 2009 model-year changes to the aircraft now referred to as the 350 Corvalis and 400 Corvalis TT.
In a posting on the Cessna Advanced Aircraft Club online forum, Cessna's brand manager for propeller aircraft, Scott Howell, detailed a number of feature changes and one major improvement to the aircraft's high-altitude capabilities.
A new oxygen system, exclusive to the 400 TT, replaces the old 3-bottle, wing-mounted system with a single large oxygen canister in the tail that offers 50 percent greater capacity. The new, composite bottle system also weighs less, and includes a dedicated fill port and gauge accessed through the aircraft's external baggage compartment.
"As you may know Cessna has been very busy in the past year with improving the 350 and 400 in many areas above and beyond manufacturing improvements," Howell wrote.
Both the 350 and 400 TT models also offer a 25-lbs increase in useful load, and feature Rosen sun visors as standard equipment. A new cold weather kit improves oil temperatures while operating in colder climates, while owners will also have the option of deleting the standard air conditioning system for a price credit, as well as a decrease in empty weight.
Howell also says Cessna is at work to incorporate the TKS inadvertent anti-ice system into the manufacturing process, though it appears Cessna will not follow rival Cirrus in developing a known-icing system for the Corvalis line-up, at least for now. Cessna is also working to incorporate the Garmin SVT synthetic vision system on Corvalis models.
Anyone purchasing a new 350 or 400 TT will also receive five hours of pre-paid flight training at a Cessna Pilot Center, while 400 TT owners will benefit from improved procedures for Lean Of Peak operations in the aircraft POH.
As ANN reported with eyebrows raised, Cessna announced last month the renaming of the former Columbia line, "inspired from the name of a picturesque Oregon town about 120 miles west of Cessna's Bend, OR manufacturing facility."
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As a pilot I can't say much about this statement other than yes, its DEJA-VU, first we talk about nudity and sex in Eugene(Veneta), then we move over to 'corvallis' the FUCKING cow college of ORYGUN, but they too KNOW HOW TO PARTY. The difference between EUGINE & CORVALLIS is the prof's smoke dope in the park @ eugene, in Corvallis everyone has hot-tubs and you go soak and smoke, big fucking diff between the two??
I'm a CAL-TECH grad, but in me humble opinion UofO is better for sci, and OSU is more cow-college, damn good place for forestry management.
So ... if UofO is a 5, OsU is 4, and PsU is 3, and COCC is a zero, but so fucking what.
Even the father of BEND hollern went to Stanford which is an '8'.
As ANN reported with eyebrows raised, Cessna announced last month the renaming of the former Columbia line, "inspired from the name of a picturesque Oregon town about 120 miles west of Cessna's Bend, OR manufacturing facility."
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Homer care's about Columbia, and much of that collapse as PRE-PUSSY, I think we can even now demarcate PP, and PP ( pre-pussy fall 2007, and post pussy ), but we be better with BB and AB ( before bruce, and after bruce ), ...
Long before bruce there be Columbia they make composite planes, and be owned by Indian with big hair that gave home the biggest BONER in ORYGUN!!!
ANN - Aero News Network reports that the new Cessna making the 'corvallis' is 120 mi east of 'corvallis', isn' it fucking interest that these BONERS can use the 'B' word you would think that "BEND" would be like saying something evil.
The 'corvallis' is named after something 120 miles west of 'Bend', why not 1200 miles??
No big news here, ok so instead of three small loose O2 tanks, there is a hidden tail tank, BFD.
FYI under the law if you fly above 12500 feet you got to be under oxygen.
But its good, everyone is happy, homer is happy cuz we're talking about dicks and Indians with big hair, and old timers are happy cuz we're on EUGENE & CORVALLIS the only fun places in ORYGUN other than PDX.
I can't stress enough that 'BEND' was NEVER fun, Bend was always a place you filled the tank, and went hiking, skiing, mtn-climbing, but NEVER in or NEAR Bend.
Bend is Redmond with a view. But that is so 1990's, now Bend has lost most of its view, so now Bend is Redmond, ... Bend wishes it were Redmond, as Redmond is NOT BK.
OPEN THE FLOOD GATES FOR IMMIGRATION,” declared the Jew, Senator Jacob Javits of New York, in his and the Jewish Lobby’s promotion of the Immigration Law of 1965. In plain terms, Javits & US Jewry were declaring war on America’s dispossessed majority, white Christian Americans.
American Jewry, a highly organized, intensely ethnocentric & abominably wealthy minority, is hell bent on ruling over a pummeled and guilt-ridden white majority.
Jewry accomplishes this by diluting and fragmenting the white Christian population through ‘multiculturalism’ vis-a-vis acts of Congress and the Jewish-run mass media. Jews fear and will do anything in their power, (and they now have all the power in America), to eradicate any semblance of nationalism emanating from white Christian Americans.
“Diversity Is Our Strength!” is the Jewish-conceived media/law-making campaign of Jewry’s beloved pluralistic society, yet another Jewish-inspired agenda for an America society expunged of a white Christian dominating presence.
But while “diverse” Americans, whether naturalized or illegal immigrants, are now competing with American born whites in the job market, it is the Jews, and the Jews only, who grow stronger in such a scenario, while diverse groups grow economically and politically weaker and serve only to dilute any opposition to Jewish-Zionist hegemony.
In his classic work, The Dispossessed Majority, Wilmot Robertson points out that since the Anti-Semitic taboo has made it impossible to submit the Jewish question to open inquiry, Jews have set themselves above the rules of conventional democratic conduct.
Robertson’s parting shot to the Jewish minority is his profound observation that “the most truly disadvantaged are those who are hated for their virtues not their vices, who insist on playing the game of life with opponents who have long ago abandoned the rules.”
Having grown up as a Jew in an upper middle class synagogue, I can attest from my experiences within Jewry, that there is only one “rule” that Jews subscribe to. And this rule is faithfully observed by Jews under a question they ask themselves regarding all American issues: “Is it good for the Jews?” But Jews never ask, “Is it good for America?”
Take for instance the concept of the immigration dream of an American “melting pot.” This slogan was put forth by the Jew, Israel Zangwill, in his 1909 book, From The Ghetto To The Melting Pot.
Though Jews will tout the “melting pot” idea to the highest heavens, they themselves do not want to “melt.” Jews would rather die than live in a black suburban neighborhood. Rather, the Jews are intent on retaining their ethnocentric identity in their own wealthy neighborhoods and they use this identity to present themselves, (though abominably wealthy), as a “persecuted” racial group.
The current economic crisis is a two-edged sword for American Jewry. On the one hand, Jews fear that an economic downturn will provoke a backlash against them for being responsible for the crisis. This fear was justified recently in a November 2008 poll which showed that 31% of Europeans blame Jews for the global financial crisis.
But on the other hand, an economic crisis coupled with a rising military state under the Zionist puppet-president, Barack Obama, ensures that Jews will be protected from a civil uprising against them.
Accentuating this scenario, the New York Times reported on February 14, 2009, that the American military will begin recruiting immigrants who are living in this country with temporary visas, offering them the chance to become US citizens in as little as six months. These immigrants will have no loyalties to white American citizens and no concern for American freedoms AND they will be biased toward the all-powerful Jews.
Should Americans blame the Jews for the current economic crisis as 31% of Europeans now do? Some Americans are inclined to do so when pointing out that the loss of America’s manufacturing base due to offshoring of American jobs is a significant cause of the economic downturn. The Jewish-dominated garment industry, a leader in offshoring, is one of the most globalized industries existing today.
In recent years, Jewish-owned American chains such as The Gap, The Limited, Old Navy, Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger, and Reebok, have been purchasing from sweatshops located in China, East Asia, and Bangladesh. By the year 2000 at the turn of the century, over 60% of America’s clothing needs were imported from overseas.
The Jewish-dominated toy industry has also been outsourcing their toy-making since the 1990’s. Both the garment and toy industries, run mostly by Jews, have been among the first to outsource their products and thus began destroying America’s tax revenue base.
The dispossession of white Americans from their former spheres of influence in the work place, political affairs, and banking, (the Saving & Loans banks, now defunct, for instance), has been usurped by a small elitist group using the cover of Judaism to protect them from criticism of their affairs. To censure Jewry’s activities is to invite the wrath of the Jewish community upon oneself as being guilty of “persecuting” a “downtrodden” minority.
And this “downtrodden” minority, ironically, will not suffer any financial consequences while millions of dispossessed Americans line up on city streets in soup lines. Jews will still be driving their Cadillacs AND telling Americans that they’d better keep quiet or else…
Updated Numbers On Developer Funding Of Bend Council Members Campaigns
Including a comment about the BULL funding and editorializing for candidates.
The real advantage Springfield has over Eugene is predictability. Businesses can endure harsh restrictions and big taxes if they are predictable. You never know what kinda bait and switch you're going to get from Eugene. Eugene only works as well as it does because of the University. Without that, it would be as messed up as Bend. The Eugene City Council is perhaps the worst mess of people I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in action.
Re: The real advantage Springfield has over Eugene is predictability.
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Exactly that was Mel's argument. That predictable timelines are a key to companies locating somewhere. So important that companies would pay triple the high fees to guarantee predictability. And that matching fees to actual costs goes a long ways to ensuring predictability.
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Commercial rents fall in Bend, but vacancies remain at 15-year highs
By Jeff McDonald / The Bulletin
Published: February 20. 2009 4:00AM PST
Bend’s commercial real estate market continued to have its highest vacancy rates in at least 15 years in the fourth quarter, according to data released Thursday by a local brokerage firm.
Lease rates are falling fast as the downturn enters its third year, said Darren Powderly, a broker with Compass Commercial Real Estate Services, which authors the quarterly survey of Bend’s office, retail and industrial vacancy rates, as well as Redmond’s industrial vacancy rates.
Some businesses are taking advantage of 20 to 40 percent reductions in rents, Powderly said.
More lease deals were getting done in the fourth quarter, accounting for a slight decrease in Bend’s office vacancy rate, which fell from 17.1 percent in the third quarter to 16.8 percent in the fourth quarter, according to the Compass survey.
A healthy office, industrial and retail vacancy rate is considered about 8 percent, Powderly said.
“Most of the moves we are seeing are existing, stable businesses finding nicer, more suitable space for equal or less money,” Powderly said.
Average office rents dropped from $1.75 per square foot to $1.25 per square foot as property values diminished and landlords tried to keep their tenants with expiring leases from moving out, Powderly said.
The city’s retail and industrial vacancy rates, meanwhile, were 10.4 percent and 15 percent in the fourth quarter, respectively, up from 9.7 percent and 12 percent in the third quarter, according to Compass.
Redmond’s industrial vacancy rate in the fourth quarter was 31.2 percent, a slight improvement from 31.4 percent in the third quarter, an indicator that vacancies won’t get much higher, Powderly said.
“What we are experiencing here is no different from the rest of the nation,” Powderly said. “It is not surprising. Central Oregon is along for the ride.”
Another broker, Brian Fratzke, principal broker of Fratzke Commercial Real Estate Inc., is seeing some rent reductions as high as 50 percent on less visible locations or those with special circumstances, he said.
“We are doing a massive amount of leasing,” Fratzke said.
Businesses are changing locations for a variety of reasons — to improve their locations or lease rates, or to downsize to a smaller offices to save costs, Fratzke said.
“They say, ‘I know the (economic) stimulus package is coming, but I have got to do something,’” he said.
In downtown Bend, retail vacancies have created opportunities for a pair of existing businesses to move into larger spaces to take advantage of better lease deals.
Bend Bungalow LLC, which sells gifts and home décor at its 1,000-square-foot building near the corner of Oregon Avenue and Bond Street, will move into a more high-profile 2,400-square-foot space on Bond Street on March 15, said owner Karen Letourneau.
The new location will cost 20 percent less per square foot than the old one, Letourneau said.
The move will allow the retailer — which has been helped by online sales during the downturn — to grow its retail presence, Letourneau said.
“I am trying to look at this as an opportunity,” Letourneau said. “In a normal economy, those type of spaces would never come available. I found one that would work for us. I thought I would just take the plunge and go for it.”
Patti Orsatti, who owns Lulu’s Boutique on Minnesota Avenue, moved her business from an 875-square-foot space to a 1,300-square-foot space in the same building.
Orsatti’s rent is 15 percent less on a per-square-foot basis, she said. Since buying the business in 2007, Orsatti also has expanded her clothing line, which is geared toward women ages 15 to 70, she said.
“My business has been way up,” she said. “Last year was the best year I have ever had. We were up about 25 percent.”
Zydeco Kitchen & Cocktails also took advantage of better leasing opportunities when it moved from its Third Street location to a space that had been built for Volo restaurant in May 2008, Powderly said.
Jeff McDonald can be reached at 541-383-0323 or at jmcdonald@bendbulletin.com.
“They say, ‘I know the (economic) stimulus package is coming, but I have got to do something,’” he said.
"Obama-Jeebus love me, this I know, cuz the Stimulus tell me so..."
“I am trying to look at this as an opportunity,” Letourneau said. “In a normal economy, those type of spaces would never come available. I found one that would work for us. I thought I would just take the plunge and go for it.”
This person pretty much admits that they are signing the death warrant for their business.
This space IS AVAILABLE because these are definitely NOT normal times. And they won't be for a long, LONG time. Should have asked around downtown... people are FLEEING because it's The Death Zone.
Again, buying ANYTHING right now, is a license to lose money. IT'S THE DEFLATION, STUPID.
"Orsatti’s rent is 15 percent less on a per-square-foot basis, she said. Since buying the business in 2007, Orsatti also has expanded her clothing line, which is geared toward women ages 15 to 70, she said.
“My business has been way up,” she said. “Last year was the best year I have ever had. We were up about 25 percent.”"
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That's funny.
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Hello Nationalization!
“Last year was the best year I have ever had. We were up about 25 percent.”"
I know, isn't that just classic Bulletin Bullshit?
Up 25% from some unknown fraction of 2007 ownership. But by God, 2008 WAS A RECORD YEAR!
Friday, February 20, 2009
Bend Oregon: A Wind Winner
Western Community Energy (WCE), a community-based wind energy developer, is already expanding its headquarters in Bend, Ore., after choosing to relocate to the state just six months ago.
"Over the course of the last several years, Oregon's sustainable industries have truly begun to thrive," says Tim McCabe, director of the Oregon Economic & Community Development Department (OECDD). "WCE is just one of many innovative companies that have discovered the state and the Governor's commitment to sustainable industries and especially renewable energy."
Oregon has become a hotbed of renewable energy companies in a variety of sectors such as solar, wind, geothermal and tidal. The wind energy sector in Oregon has continued to grow over the years and has attracted major companies such as Vestas, the world’s leading supplier of wind power, which has announced plans to expand its North American headquarters in Portland, OR.
According to WCE’s Chief Financial Officer Michelle Betz, the company chose Oregon for its headquarters because of the state’s commitment to renewable energy through a variety of financial and tax incentives and programs such as:
* the Oregon Business Energy Tax Credit (BETC), which covers up to 50 percent of a qualifying project’s applicable costs;
* the Energy Trust of Oregon (ETO), which provides resources and cash incentives to help homeowners, farms, ranches, businesses and government entities install wind power projects of up to 20 megawatts; and
* the Small Energy Loan Program (SELP), which promotes energy conservation and renewable energy resource development by offering low-interest loans for qualifying projects.
“From a financial perspective Oregon is a fantastic place for our company to do business,” says Betz. “In addition, the state seems to understand at a very basic level the importance of promoting renewable energy projects.”
WCE plans to capitalize on Oregon’s bounty of wind as well. In total, WCE booked $1.4 million in wind energy projects in 2008. To put perspective on the increase in projects for WCE, the company already booked $8.2 million in new projects in the first 15 days of January 2009. The company currently employs seven full-time employees and expects to hire an additional 11 employees within the next month.
One major project that WCE recently completed is the Banner Wind Project, Alaska’s largest wind farm located in the city of Nome. A joint venture between Bering Straits Native Corporations and Sitnasuak Native Corporation, the 1.17 megawatt project will offset nearly 200,000 gallons of diesel fuel per year and nearly double Alaska’s installed wind capacity.
Juniper Ridge criticism unfounded
By Mark Capell / Bulletin guest columnist
Published: February 20. 2009 4:00AM PST
As I continue to read Scott Siewert’s frequent guest columns on Juniper Ridge, I have to chuckle (“Bend City Council has not learned from past mistakes,” Feb. 10). The inaccuracies and falsehoods border on silly. Normally, rants like this from someone with an obvious agenda and who doesn’t even live in the city of Bend are best ignored. However, we know from this past election season that some people may take what they see in print as fact, which is not good for the citizens or city government.
Juniper Ridge, like any major development, has its share of challenges. But through hard work, perseverance and partnerships, they are challenges that will be overcome. Juniper Ridge is about jobs, and the work done so far has begun to bear fruit.
Mr. Siewert simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to our discussions with ODOT about Juniper Ridge traffic issues. The city has been working very closely and successfully with ODOT to develop a U.S. Highway 97 transportation solution that works for the entire north end of the community. The city will present a detailed strategy to the Oregon Transportation Commission this spring. His contention that we intend to pursue a solution through expensive litigation is just not true.
Les Schwab is the first business to locate at Juniper Ridge, and we’re proud to have them there. Mr. Siewert appears to have an ax to grind in his columns. In locating at Juniper Ridge, Les Schwab certainly didn’t feed from any city “trough.”
In fact, its presence there will benefit the entire area. At $7 per square foot, the sale price for the Les Schwab property was in line with the local market. The sale proceeds were used to pay a large portion of the cost of infrastructure that was built to serve not just Les Schwab, but the entire northeast Bend community, and approximately 50 acres of additional land at Juniper Ridge. Incentives were limited to the city’s agreement to cap system development charges at a specific amount.
Bend employers Suterra and Pacific Power will soon join Les Schwab at Juniper Ridge, and Pacific Power is building an electrical substation there that will provide much needed power to the entire north end of the city.
Mr. Siewert writes as if he’s at the table as we negotiate with companies to locate at Juniper Ridge. Of course he’s not, and his column only helps to validate his complete ignorance of the project. Over the past several months, eight firms have approached the city unsolicited and expressed serious interest in locating at Juniper Ridge. Five are high-tech companies; all but one are from Central Oregon.
Even in this economic climate, all continue to grow, all provide family-wage jobs and all are highly supportive of the Juniper Ridge concept. Additionally, over the past year, three site selection committees have seriously considered Juniper Ridge — unsolicited by the city — for large high-tech manufacturing facilities.
Most of the companies have financing in place and are growing in spite of the current economy. This level of interest from this caliber of company indicates that Juniper Ridge is accurately aimed at the target market and is well-positioned for that market once transportation and other infrastructure are met.
Despite Mr. Siewert’s unsubstantiated claims, there is cash flow at Juniper Ridge. The City Council’s approval of the Les Schwab, Suterra and Pacific Power sale agreements brings total Juniper Ridge land sale revenue to more than $9 million. Additionally, tax increment revenues from the Juniper Ridge Urban Renewal District total $150,000 per year.
Juniper Ridge is a tremendous public asset. It is well-positioned to attract the type of large employers and good-paying jobs that our community needs. As with any large, complex development there are moving pieces. As you can see, those pieces are starting to come into place. And while Mr. Siewert may want some “instant gratification” from Juniper Ridge, we have a well-planned and long-term vision for the city’s economic success.
Mark Capell is a member of the Bend City Council.
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Since the companies are coming unsolicited, why are we paying JRP a million bucks to recruit companies?
Over the past several months, eight firms have approached the city unsolicited and expressed serious interest in locating at Juniper Ridge. Five are high-tech companies; all but one are from Central Oregon.
If four out of five are already here, how is this "creating new jobs"? It's just shuffling jobs around from one place to another.
Re: The real advantage Springfield has over Eugene is predictability.
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Exactly that was Mel's argument.
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Listen to what there two PUSSY's BP&TT are saying. That PUG is predictable and DEM is NOT. Eugene is DEM, and Springfield is PUG to the right of Limbaugh.
It's the strangest arg, to have 'pussys' ( bambist liberals ) argue for PUG biz. The PUG's officially despise SDC's, the PUG's nationally all OPPOSE SDC's, but they NEVER say where the money is supposed to come from, and of course they hates taxes.
Yes 'predictible', Eugene is 'anti-business' cuz they don't have COBA-like running the city, and Springfield is 'predictible' cuz COBA-like PUGS run springfield.
We know that REDMOND&BEND are PUG central that is a give, but WHY IN THE FUCKING HELL is the BPussy&TPussy carrying the banner for MEL&PUG Springfield???
The model for SDC charges is wilsonville, that's where the pussy's should do their homework, that said wilsonville is also PUG Conservative central.
The problem is that whether it be Rio-Ranch (NM) or Chandler (AZ) two places where there are STD's as far as the eye can see, in both cases in spite of SDC's the infrastucture just is NEVER paid, the entire NOTION of throwing up STD cracker-ass homes and then expecting an organic community over-night is crazy. Rio-Rancho has horrible infrastructure problems.
The real fucking problem, and its in SPRINGFIELD which is a step-ford wive bedroom community of Eugene, is that everywhere the PUG's put up these 1,000's of STD's its always the same outcome.
Of course here in BEND with lots of land and the enlargement of the UGB, we'll continue to also follow the PUG GODS and build MORE STD's, and now we have the PUSSY's telling us to follow the PUG model of thinking??
It just doesn't add up.
Then TPussy admits he's a recovering 'DEM', and of course the BPussy is a fucking chameleon, two weeks ago he was kissing Leonards ass and this week he's worshipping Mel. It's funny that BP only falls for PUG's, I'm waiting for him to become enamored with a Bend Liberal.
Waiting.
Yep, Dumb Ass is back misquoting and twisting words as usual. He always seems to know what I think better than I do.
At least he believes he does.
Dumb Ass, the true GOBsucker, sent to drive people away with rants and lies. If he was entertaining more often, it would be worth reading.
Juniper Ridge Give-Away
If four out of five are already here, how is this "creating new jobs"? It's just shuffling jobs around from one place to another.
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To date its almost $30M that the city has spent on DEBT to place Schwab & Suterra, lets call it $15M each for infrastructure, money these companys will never have to pay.
So why not? Get a new building, shovel ready, ... all infrastructure paid up-front by taxpayer. It's almost like an 'incentive' to get new digs, and its win-win for all, cuz local contractors get to build new commercial.
So HBM, jobs are being created, its just that they're 'construction' and 'excavation' jobs!! But who would have guessed, given that CORA & COBA own the city-hall, ... but who is COBA&CORA?? HBM will NOT investigate or demand that SecOFstate force COBA to release the COAH list, but history can infer that it be HOLLERN, TAYLOR, and MOSS is where money is coming from.
What company wouldn't want a new building? Which tax incentives, and all kinds of benny's?? Why not? Even Bend-Sci is in old digs, and so is ABT ( microsemi ), ... lots of these companys in Bend are in 20+ year old in-efficient non-green digs, and here is the city giving away ten's of millions a year 'corporate welfare'.
The real question is why can't they bring in new companys, why just move around old losers?? That probably says more about the 'bend brand' than anything else, outsiders are all saying "I'll pay on Bend".
But its quite funny all these 'incentives' are SOLD as new job attractants to outside companys but all we do is move good old boyz to new digs, with net-zero job gain, and in most case negative as schwab & suterra aren't growing they're dying, the cali spray op of zyklon-b of suterra was their gravy-train now dead under OREO. Schwab tires is going to shit the old customer loyalty is gone, anybody try to FORCE schwab to honor their fucking warranty lately? Anywhere?
Yes, hbm its shuffling, its always been shuffling, but don't worry cuz you yourself said that the $30M (SDC MUNI DEBT) burnt to do the MDU-MOSS shuffle wasn't real money.
. The City Council’s approval of the Les Schwab, Suterra and Pacific Power sale agreements brings total Juniper Ridge land sale revenue to more than $9 million
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Wow talking about BP cherry picking, to date they took in $6M as the PP deal isn't done, but its cost $30M to date, and thus that a 5X loss, or as city-manager says with a GRIN, "NEGATIVE INVESTMENT".
Too bad that Capell spent more time attacking the messenger (siewert) than he did laying out all the real facts on what games have been played at JR.
Well now we know the official party line, Siewert is a persona non-grata, and that the city has getting millions for JR, and it doesn't cost us anything cuz the DEBT doesn't exist.
Lastly, regarding the TROUGH, well lets see, most of the money went to knife-river (MDU), ran by MOSS, who also sits on JRMB, and who gets $200k/yr for funneling ten's of millions a year of taxpayer debt ( or general fund ) to KR-MDU. If that isn't a pig trough what is??
But hell they have created lots of short-term construction jobs with the money right?
Long term jobs? Net zero.
Oh, and the capell notion that ALL these companys are growing, bull fucking shit their dying, and as fuel prices goes up these Bend companys will continue to implode, the general trend is that manufacturing on a high-desert island is BEND-STUPID.
Using the math provided, one of these stores will be paying double the rent, and the other about 25%.
This is the second move on the part of one of these stores in the last five years (grass is always greener) but my own experience is that moving almost always hurts, at first.
Also, a 25% increase in the first year of a new business isn't all that great a number. If you were fresh and trying to make improvements, even bigger increases would be normal.
Just saying.
Yep, Dumb Ass is back misquoting and twisting words as usual. He always seems to know what I think better than I do.
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No that's not the point but I find it to be a cognitive dysfunction to see a pussy (liberal) rooting for PUG bullshit coming out of mel's orifice.
The pussy ain't no liberal, yet he like's to position himself as a progressive sympathizer. Given his political ambitions, and the realization that BEND is a PUG Town ran by COBA/CORA that is a front for HOLLERN/MOSS/TAYLOR, the pussy knows whose ass to kiss in order to get the power he yearns.
I don't see why we couldn't have some predictable Democrats running things in Eugene, instead of the nutballs in there. Just like in Bend, things get voted down but they happen anyway. It's got a real Alice in Wonderland feel to it.
And, yeah, Eugene is not all liberal. There is a very strong conservative reaction to the liberals that the fights between the sides are unholy. In Eugene the liberals are more liberal and the conservatives are more conservative, thanks to the proximity to each other and the stridency of the town. The south hills are mostly liberal, but there are plenty of conservatives living in there too.
A notable shift from downtown to The Old Mill — what’s it mean?
While last weekend’s Bend WinterFest drew an estimated 20,000 to 25,000 people, it was the first time attendees had to pay to participate in all the events and it was the first time it was held outside of downtown.
More downtown events could follow WinterFest to The Old Mill District area as the events grow too big for downtown and a new park opens on the Deschutes River, event organizers and local park officials say.
The cost of admission to the three-day event — which included live music, entrance into vendor tents and the Rail Jam, an event in which skiers and snowboarders perform flips, twists and other acrobatic stunts off a ramp — was $6 for individuals and $15 for families.
The event, which started in the late 1990s as a way to better connect Mt. Bachelor ski area and the community, shifted from downtown to The Old Mill District for more space, said Lee Perry, events director for Lay It Out Events Inc., which owns and planned the event.
“We were just running out of room downtown,” Perry said. “After last year, we looked at The Old Mill and it was probably the only space where we could still do it and stay close to the (downtown) core.”
WinterFest’s growth has come with a price tag that one downtown business owner says could cut it off from its roots.
“I think there’s a perception in the community that WinterFest is a community event, but somebody buys it and tries to make money off it, that’s a concern,” said Roberta Johnson, the owner of Sports Vision Bend Inc., a downtown business since 1989.
“You get these things off the ground and somebody gets to own them,” she said. “I think they should be free. Those are my own feelings, personally.”
Lay It Out Events bought the event in 2004, Perry said. Production costs have increased as the event has grown to include the Rail Jam and more well-known musical acts, he said.
“Back when it was free, we didn’t have Rail Jam or the caliber of music that we had this year,” he said. “The costs are astronomical.”
Increased costs include renting the area around the Les Schwab Amphitheater, where the event was held, near Shevlin Hixon Drive, Perry said.
WinterFest, while a for-profit event, also is a fundraiser for Girls Go Outside, an outdoor development program for middle school girls, Perry said. Twenty percent of the event’s proceeds go to that organization, he said.
Downtown view
As WinterFest has grown, its scope also has changed from a local festival to a regional draw and tourism generator, said Chuck Arnold, the executive director of the Downtown Bend Business Association, which represents downtown businesses.
“If an event or anything is able to demonstrate value for people, it makes sense to charge for that,” he said.
Arnold’s downtown business organization owns and runs an event downtown — the Bend Oktoberfest & Family Fest — that charges a $5 admission fee. The event, which includes music, games and other activities, is a fundraiser for the downtown association, Arnold said.
A larger event like WinterFest had grown too big for downtown, Arnold said. The hassles of holding such an event downtown include closing streets and inconveniencing businesses in the downtown district, he said.
Other events that are growing too big for their venues in the downtown area include Munch & Music, the Bend Farmers Market and Flashback Cruz. Each could be relocated to the new 13-acre Riverbend Park when it opens in 2010, said Ed Moore, director of park services for the Bend Metro Park and Recreation District.
The park, which is under construction, is at the corner of Shevlin Hixon Drive and Columbia Street, near the Deschutes River.
The agency is updating its event application policy with more specific criteria that will determine where events are held based on venue capacity and event size, Moore said.
“When the Riverbend site comes online in 2010, it will have better parking and more open space (than Drake Park), and paths up the river,” Moore said. “That is what the district is doing — putting events in the right place so there is a win-win.”
The district has met with organizers of the Flashback Cruz, Bend’s annual summertime classic car show, and neighbors in the Drake Park area who have complained about parking in the neighborhood, vehicle noise and trash from the event, Moore said.
This year’s Flashback Cruz is again slated for Drake Park, he said.
As for Munch & Music and the Bend Farmers Market, neither event is slated to move, but the park district would like to discuss moving them, Moore said.
Business owners typically support downtown events, despite some of the hassles, due to the exposure they bring, said Kelli Brooks, owner of At the Beach, at the corner of Minnesota Avenue and Wall Street. Brooks is a board member for the Downtown Bend Business Association.
“We want to keep as many of those events down here,” she said. “Even if (attendees) don’t buy anything, it’s still exposure.”
Another business owner said he could easily live without downtown events.
“I don’t get a lot of walk-in traffic from events,” said Rob Butler, owner of Bend Mapping & Blueprint, a downtown business. “The biggest hassle from events is for people who have to find parking to get to me.”
Old Mill District buzz
Businesses near the WinterFest venue benefited from the event and the Winter Wine Walk, which was an additional paid event for participating businesses in The Old Mill District and downtown.
Old Mill District hotels and motels were booked solid for Presidents Day weekend, according to the Central Oregon Visitors Association, which surveyed lodging properties throughout the region for occupancy during the holiday weekend. Outside the district, hotel and motel properties in Bend, as well as resort and other properties throughout the region, were down 10 percent to 15 percent, said Alana Audette, COVA’s president and CEO.
“The Wine Walk was fabulous,” said Joanne Sunnarborg, the owner of Desperado in The Old Mill District. “It brought in people who wouldn’t have come in on their own. It brought in the person who didn’t know about my store before, but they will come back.”
The Wine Walk also took place downtown but stirred more foot traffic in The Old Mill District than it did downtown, Sports Vision’s Johnson said.
“I think people only park once,” she said. “You’re going to commit to the Mill or you’re going to commit to downtown.”
>> The Eugene City Council is perhaps the worst mess of people I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in action.
No doubt Timmy, remember when they managed to run the hospital AND Symantec out of town?
I won't miss them. Especially the Flash back Cruz.
My foot traffic level is probably double what it was ten years ago. I can't see it dropping. I've got the Oxford and that whole street developing, and a couple of spaces on Minnesota have already had their lease signs removed.
The only spaces available downtown are problem spaces.
The events are a distraction and a nuisance. (I'm probably going to get mugged by Chuck for saying so....)
Re: Given his political ambitions, and the realization that BEND is a PUG Town ran by COBA/CORA that is a front for HOLLERN/MOSS/TAYLOR, the pussy knows whose ass to kiss in order to get the power he yearns.
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Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to do with my latest blog post on campaign funding by COAB, COAR and the BULL. Kissing up to the Republicans.
You can read my mind. You know me. You can speak for me better than I do. I know, you've told me so many times.
Actually, I most appreciate openness and competence in government. Doesn't matter whether it comes from Pugs or Dems, although my personal views usually align more with Dems.
HL Mencken long ago said "The difference between a pug & dem was the diff between a wolf & fox", they're both canines, they both have the same goal, its just that one is more upfront about that goal. But they'll both strip the meat from the bone, because all elections are advanced auction of stolen goods ( taxpayer dollars ).
GRINDING TO A FUCKING HALT - BEND
Good post today on dunc's site.
My two cents, and I completely agree, in the last two weeks I'm seeing a complete collapse in confidence here in Bend, and like dunc, I too just keep living, cuz its all moving along exactly as I expected and predicted all along, ... I have always been a tight-ass and never spent a dime, so to me folks are now simply going to be like me, so fucking what.
It's HERE the HELOC & CREDIT-CARD is now dead, you can only SPEND what you got, and the Pronghorn investment is a loser. Its now a cash-only town, I noticed last night at the pub ( imagine that ), that folks were dickering about $10's & $20's, and nobody is using cards anymore ALL MAX'd OUT! Everyone was trying to borrow from a friend with a 'job'. It's here, and at this rate, in about 2-4 more weeks the money will be gone.
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I have noticed even in my own associations, with other retired who were very well settled in recent years in Bend to be now panicking. Dozens of people who retired here that I know in the last ten years are now considering 'walking' from their Pronghorn or Brasada lots & cabins. They look at their 401k being down 1/2, and retirement is not as planned. The investments are not just under-water like the home at BT, ... but the Prongy investments are bend-gone. I have just started to see this from my 'rich' acquaintances complete panic. The realization that virtually ALL their retirement plans have been destroyed. Forever.
Then at the digs say Deschutes, virtually everybody at the bar is now out of work, painters, ... you name it NOTHING no work. Zero. School teachers still have a job.
I notice the faces everyday of people, and they just look sad. Yesterday I stopped for a burrito at taco-shack, and the place was like somebody died, there were a few people in there but the staff just looked pathetic.
Food prices too are going up noticeably what I used to get for $20 at TJ, is now $35, that has got to be hurting people with little to no income.
A recession is when the neighbor doesn't have job, and a depression is when you don't have a job. Real un-employment in BEND feels like 25% right now.
People that were drinking $50/bottle wine last year are now buying 'box-wine'.
The only kids that I talk to that have jobs are Hoodoo MT-B, but that season will soon be over, lets see how golf picks up this spring.
Retiree's will exit, as they have to go back to work. The working poor will go to PDX where there is work.
Yes, dunc its like just the last few weeks, but I think its the Feb 15 tax statement, 2nd installment on property tax, people see the losses. What surprised me most was the sheer number of people that I have known for years that never mentioned their Pronghorn investment, people with money that openly talk about just letting it go, all these STD remote resorts are simply going to collapse to zero. The greed that so many people put good money DOWN into these investments and have fed them post 2006 for so many years and through so much good money, and now have completely given up hope.
The difference between the street and the BULL&SORE is simple amazing.
Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to do with my latest blog post on campaign funding by COAB, COAR and the BULL. Kissing up to the Republicans.
-BP
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Nope BP, you do a service, I have always supported you in your long 1-1/2 year here, and your JR verbatim reports the news as seen through the vision of the COBA city-hall policy manual.
You don't care about who, why, when, where, what, ... you are about dumping policy written by COBA with a city stamp of approval.
Even a few day ago I begged you to start an online paper, call it the 'Bend Gazette' like the slut-sister's editorial, maybe you could get the PBM to help write?? You got the time and the passion, that's what matters. You got the cred, you can see how they have slaughtered 'siewert' for opinion, so long as your just post JR policy verbatim like you do, then EVERYONE will love you, like you said when you first came here 1-1/2 years ago, "YOU JUST WANTED TO BE LOVED".
See my thing is different, I like the HL-Mencken approach to the press, e.g. "A newspaper should have no friends", but you BP want to be loved by all, and thus I think it would be perfect for you to start an online 'paper-blog'.
'Winterfest' is registered by "lay it out", and is owned by Swizter of the SORE, and a few guys out of Sisters are the money.
It's interesting that whoever wrote the above about WINTERFEST doesn't want a link to the SORE.
MOST notable too on regards to the $6/person, is that the biggest SPONSOR of winterfest was MDU-MOSS, now that is a conflict of interest that MDU-MOSS is SORE-SWITZER's patron.
No doubt Timmy, remember when they managed to run the hospital AND Symantec out of town?
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Did they really?? Most of the people I know wanted to work @home, and move to PDX, where the action is.
The real question, is why did these company's move to south valley in the first place? To me it was a fad in the 1980's, RE was high, and folks in the bay-areah ( sounds like diahrea ) wanted white speaking cheap labor, and lots of water for 'chip-plants', and folks saw Forest-Grove, and Springfield, and Corvallis as the perfect place,...
Then by 2004 the RE prices were no longer cheap, and the white losers were proved to be a management nightmare, its one thing to have a company in bay-areah and resume choose,... but whether it be Bend, or Springfield, your bottom picking all the time.
I don't buy the argument that EUGENE city hall forced out biz, to me it was the BAD MOVE in the first place, just like when newbies come to BEND to open shop, they almost always fail. Should we always blame Bend city-hall?? I think not. Trying to run a biz from Bend is a loser in the first place.
One last thing about Eugene, 20+ years ago Eugene was 'fun' at night, its NOT fun anymore, now everybody goes to PDX, that is where the music is, and that is where the kids with advanced education want to live.
Lastly, did I mention that nightlife in BEND SUCKS DICK?
You can read my mind. You know me. You can speak for me better than I do. I know, you've told me so many times.
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That's funny BP, cuz when we post under 'bewert' you often come back and say "I could have written that!"
It's all about BP 24/7, and it always will be, we all know that.
That god that there is only two 'real people' here, I don't think I could handle more than one real ego.
That's why I like anon-nym-ass, it lets you be ego free.
Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to do with my latest blog post on campaign funding by COAB, COAR and the BULL. Kissing up to the Republicans.
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Good job BP, now you or someone (HBM) has got to get COBA to open up the list of where the $50k came from and it sure as hell didn't come from 1,000 unemployed drywall guys.
http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com/2009/02/updated-numbers-on-developer-funding-of.html
"If he was entertaining more often, it would be worth reading."
Bruce, he may not be entertaining for YOU, since you take the beatings, but he is entertaining for the rest of us.
Honestly, it's the two B's that make this blog: Buster & Butter.
Mayor Kathie Eckman Contributions
TOTAL $38,484.47
Self funding $8,538.76
COAH/COAR $17,671.34
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Fix your numbers.
This growing tendency to leave the public out of the process is not in the best interests of the City of Bend. Unfortunately, the only recourse available to citizens of Bend is at the ballot box every other year, or by filing a costly lawsuit in Circuit Court.
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All you got to do is email or mail your stuff to the governors office, and ask them to forward it to Sec of State, ... no cost to you,...
Just tell the Sec of State that they have failed to document the source of funds for these elections. The state will force them to release the info, but it will NOT happen until people complain to the state.
Local county fucking court is already bought, and owned by the same people, YOU MUST COMPLAIN TO STATE.
Bruce, he may not be entertaining for YOU, since you take the beatings, but he is entertaining for the rest of us.
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I don't beat the PUSSY, the BP is a compliment, and I have tried to be a father to the pussy.
It's like having a problem child that never grows up.
BP is more like an employee that doesn't 'get it'. Children grow up.
BP has a good heart, but he really needs to quit doing shit 'his way', he needs to apply the historical methods that work.
Crook county doesn't have an online database of foreclosures, but what I'm hearing is that over 50% of the Brasada lots are either bank owned or in default and soon to be bank owned. There's also some lawsuits because the water to the lake was shut off and now it's a festering cesspool of mosquitoes. JeldWen is also trying to get blood out of a turnip by getting back the salary draws their sales people took when they were working but not able to sell dick. That place is fucked.
Re: Just tell the Sec of State that they have failed to document the source of funds for these elections. The state will force them to release the info, but it will NOT happen until people complain to the state.
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We examine all transactions in Orestar for completeness, accuracy and timeliness. We do not request their books. There have been no formal complaints filed against either of these committees, so there has been no need for an investigation. If you have evidence that you believe either of the committees are not accurately filing their transactions, you can file a formal, written complaint. However, you must have evidence, such as the knowledge of a contributor who has given more than $100 aggregate but whose name is not disclosed.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Nancy E. Ferry
Compliance Specialist
Secretary of State
Elections Division
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So even though COAR raised over $37,000 in anonymous amounts under $100, there are no red flags to force an audit unless some insider comes forward. Somebody helps me out with such knowledge and this might go somewhere.
It's all about "CALL TO ACTION", it doesn't take many people, get her email address, and put on your JR site a CALL TO ACTION at the TOP, and plead people to contact the governor and pass the questions to sec-of-state who will fwd to Ferry, she'll NOT pursue this unless the request comes from the TOP, this is how to get shit done in ORYGUN.
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Let me know if you have any more questions.
Nancy E. Ferry
Compliance Specialist
Secretary of State
Elections Division
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So even though COAR raised over $37,000 in anonymous amounts under $100, there are no red flags to force an audit unless some insider comes forward. Somebody helps me out with such knowledge and this might go somewhere.
Now take a form like below, and send it to the GOVERNOR, and request it be forwarded to Sec of State. ... it will make its way to ferry, and if enough people do it, shit will hit the wall, PUSSY YOU MUST HAVE A CALL TO ACTION, ditto for you HBM.
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Dear, Sec of State
In Bend oregon our local campaign contributions from COBA & CORA claim to have gotten $50k and $40k in small contributions, this is a statistical impossibility in this economic climate. We ask you to perform an audit to determine where these monies have actually came from.
COBA & CORA recently took over our bend city council, it is imperative that we find out who actually is controlling our city government.
sincerely, bend taxpayer
Brasada Ranch . . ..
Was just looking at their web sites. They had a surreal event in Sept 2007 "Jazz and Jabs"
Women wearing ball room gowns,
Men wearing tuxedos,
delivered to a tent in the middle of a desert by Clydesdale Horses and old-fashioned looking carriages.
Jazz music from the 40s, 50s, 60s, lots of food and drink.
And then after the jazz, people sit around in their formalwear (ball gowns and tuxedos) to watch the Australian boxing league.
Oh, I get it -- something for the girls (music and dancing) and then something for the guys (boxing).
It just seems surreal . . . .
I'm sure it was fun -- but now all you can do is look back and ask: What were these people thinking?!
Jazz & Jabs, a grown-up gala for children’s charities, is coming to Brasada Ranch on Saturday, September 8th.
This black-tie event is an elegant, lively, dapper and scintillating night of live jazz music, Olympic-level boxing, expertly made cocktails, superior cigars and fine dining.
The day’s events will begin with a round of golf at Brasada Ranch’s brand new Brasada Canyons Golf Course.
Their exclusive private course will challenge the best golfers, and, in fact, played host to the Brasada Shoot-Out. This charity tournament, after the JELD-WEN Tradition, featuring twelve of the Champion’s Tour golfers
playing with local athletes, raised money for the JELD-WEN Tradition Foundation.
Music by Portland’s nationally known Barbara Lusch will take place starting at 6 p.m.
She will be singing jazzy renditions of standards from the ‘40s, ‘50s and ‘60s. Barbara
has performed on television, and in films and theater.
The Blue Olive’s distinguished chef and proprietor, John Nelson, will prepare a scrumptious dinner. He has been creating epicurean delights for 23 years,
specializing in Northwest favorites. Cocktails will be served beginning at 5:30 p.m.
In addition, fine cigars will be available before and after dinner.
The Main Event of the evening will be the electrifying bouts of boxing by the United
States and Australian national boxing teams. The fighters will be honing their skill in
preparation for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, and the Olympic teams will be chosen from these groups of boxers.
The Jazz & Jabs at Brasada Ranch is sure to be the most exclusive event of the year, and it’s all to raise money for the Big Brothers Big Sisters and Boys and Girls Clubs organizations of Central Oregon. These two worthy charities steer today’s kids to brighter futures through their gallant efforts.
Be sure to get your tickets for this glamorous ....
That place is fucked.
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Its not just brasada, its remington, yarrow, prongy, tetherow, ...
The word amongst bends 'rich' is out, the shit is under-water and NOT coming back, ever.
I don't know a single person that owns cabins or lots in these places that doesn't intend to walk.
The thing is the last man standing on these lots is stuck with the bill, we're talking like $500/mo HOA, in addition to the cost of a lot or cabin. The fewer real people the more they have to charge.
When the future was rosy, it was cool to INVEST in these places for BEND's rich, the idea was you could belong to a club, and go there on the weekend, and enjoy privilege in a gated community. Now it has become a nightmare.
One other thing to MENTION that is critical, in places like Black-Butte, or Sunriver the old retires are sick of driving 1-1/2 hrs each way in the winter to go to the doctor, and NOW they all want to move to BEND.
The WRITING is on the fucking wall, all fucking siberian RESORTS designed for the rich have NO FUCKING HOPE. It's the fucking END.
God forbid these fucking banks sitting on all this shit that can't be sold for any price.
Yes, it would be good for someone @crook county to go to public records and pull up some tax info and find out what banks are HOLDING THIS TOXIC SHIT.
This is BIG here in BEND, way bigger than poor people losing their job. All these HIGH-TECH cali stock-market rich retirees are losing et-al, ... Once it gets critical mass on the 'news' it will destroy the BEND-BRAND for eternity.
Jazz & Jabs, a grown-up gala for children’s charities, is coming to Brasada Ranch on Saturday, September 8th.
This black-tie event is an elegant, lively, dapper and scintillating night of live jazz music, Olympic-level boxing, expertly made cocktails, superior cigars and fine dining.
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Yep, its called HELOC-GLUTTONY, and some day books will be written, like "What the fuck were they thinking".
I know tons of realtors in Bend here that own these fucking 'Brasada Cabins', same deal, the idea was to rent them during the week for $400/night, and then spend the weekends their and enjoy the good life in a gated community, these are realtors with acreage in Sisters, I'm like why the fuck do you want a 'vacation home' near prineville?? Its just like all the other events in the area its to CONNECT, trouble today is ALL the fucking money is gone, and connections now mean shit.
Even SageBrush is fucked, with DENTON gone, who promoted it.
Like the fucking bledsoe deal and cigars, what the fuck were they thinking.
But nobody thinks, but I KNOW all too many 70+ mother fuckers stuck at Black-Butte who bought this shit ten years ago or more, and now are dying driving to St-Charles when they have a problem, no shit 1-1/2 hrs to go to the doctor every fucking day each day from black-butte, that's what nobody every thinks about when they buy these fucking SIBERIAN STD's.
What have I said all along here? Small cottage near Newport so you can walk to the store or doc,... That is what will survive, all else will perish.
Well Newport will perish, but there will be other stores,...
People always need to eat and buy toilet paper.
I think this needs to be said, cuz its not talked about, I mean have talked forever, but it needs to be said.
The way you survive in BEND is SMALL, a small house inside town, near downtown, so you can walk around.
Everyday I go xc-ski right now, and I always meet other old farts, and its always the same we get talking, and they're from sunriver, or black-butte or some other fucking resort in siberia, and they fucking hate it, and then I tell them where I live and they say they wish would have bought small and local.
You see given that they drive downtown to eat out, and go local most of the year like phils to mtn-bike, they spend all their time driving to Bend anyhow, but when the winter is here, the kind that HBM likes the fucking frozen-fog, then these drives become 1-1/2 hrs.
Now you got even MORE dumb fucks, ..
I mean HOLLERN built black-butt back in the 1960's, and Gray did Sunriver in the 60's, so lots of the owners now are real fucking OLD, and they all want out, but they can't sell. Their stuck in SIBERIA.
So now we have fucking dozens of NEW siberian resorts, and their full of heloc-rich 40-50 yr old 'retirees' that now must go back to work, but guess what, they can't sell, and they know that they don't want to be STUCK in these places where their 70+.
BEND AREA is NOT a fucking retirement paradise.
>Well Newport will perish, but there will be other stores,...
People always need to eat and buy toilet paper.
I think about that when I look at the new urban growth boundary past shevlin. Newport ave is going to have a shit-ton more traffic. Right now it's the only nice neighborhood that you can walk to the store, walk to some restaurants, walk to downtown and to some parks. When the traffic doubles it's going to be a severe pain in the ass to park on Newport, or cross it on foot. I'm afraid the UGB process has just fucked our only good neighborhood.
Newport ave is going to have a shit-ton more traffic. Right now it's the only nice neighborhood that you can walk to the store, walk to some restaurants, walk to downtown and to some parks. When the traffic doubles it's going to be a severe pain in the ass to park on Newport, or cross it on foot. I'm afraid the UGB process has just fucked our only good neighborhood.
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Hell I haven't bought a video I mean rent, since the little video store closed, but I tell you what I almost fucking died everytime I would cross, I live on the newport side ( of course ), but I had to cross over to get to the video store, the speed limit is 25mph, but they're all going 50mph, and there's even a fucking cross-walk.
I agree, they're going to FILL in all between sisters & bend with std's and that's HOLLERNS next project, and fidelity who owns the 30,000 acres up there is going be dumping that shit for pennys on the dollar during the de-leverage, so some sleaze bag developer will buy that, ... yes Newport is a FUCKING FREEWAY even now, to be worse, but I walk to the store, and .. when I drive a car I make a point to always go 20mph and have my middle finger up high pointing rear-ward.
I mostly bike & walk in Bend.
The FUCKING worst when the boom was on up to a few years ago all those fucking taylor-nw, and knife-river tandem dump-trucks coming down Newport @ 50mph, they can't fucking even stop. I would see those fuckers coming a block away and step back until they passed, that shit was running 24/7 for years, endless glad that shit is over.
People I know that work for knife-river say its terrible that the economy is killing them there is no work. Its why MDU-MOSS has spent $200M of BEND MUNI-DEBT to keep them alive, ... good thing its not real money, and the taxpayer will never have to pay it back, I wonder if MDU-MOSS will ever throw us a party and least thank us for the $100's of thousands of dollars of debt that each of us was given without our permission.
"they're going to FILL in all between sisters & bend with std's"
Good shit but on this point I say NO WAY. Don't think so.
I agree about the penny's on the dollar, part but I think a more likely situation is that the population shrinks.
Who's going to loan them money to build more shit shacks?
You hit the nail on the head about the Bend Brand.
Maybe if you're talking about 20 years from now, it's conceivable that there'll be another boom and MINDLESS growth.
But NOT till then.
Speaking of destination resorts, here's Costa's editorial today on the proposed Metolius resorts:
A kangaroo court for the Metolius
What’s happening in the Metolius River Basin resembles nothing as much as a kangaroo court, in which a sham trial produces a predetermined conviction. Go ahead and pretend that the process makes a difference if it makes you feel better, but make no mistake: Gov. Ted Kulongoski wants to ensure, by whatever means necessary, that two proposed destination resorts near the Metolius end up in regulatory Siberia.
This sorry episode is exactly why so many Oregonians are so cynical about state government, especially when it comes to private property rights.
The state Department of Land Conservation and Development points out, correctly, that both would-be developers bought their land before Jefferson County’s commissioners made it eligible for destination resorts. It’s also true, as the DLCD notes, that neither would-be developer was ever absolutely entitled to develop intensively in the basin.
In other words, the developers gambled and lost, right? Many resort opponents might like to rationalize the governor’s crusade in this manner, but it’s nonsense. Such a view ignores the fact that Kulongoski is changing the rules.
All development carries risk. In this case, the developers are, indeed, gambling that Jefferson County’s destination resort map — which has been appealed — will hold up in court. They’re also gambling that people will buy what they intend to build. If their assumptions about such predictable risks prove wrong, and if they take a bath financially as a result, that’s their problem. Too bad.
But neither landowner could have predicted the crusade to shift the regulatory landscape specifically to sink their projects. This act of bad faith can be redeemed in only one way: Pay up. If it’s true, as the governor argues, that the Metolius basin is just too special to tolerate any large-scale development, then the state must compensate the would-be developers who were diligently following the rules that the governor now wants to change. The compensation should be generous and it shouldn’t be given grudgingly.
But isn’t this obvious? Apparently not if you work for the DLCD, which, under Kulongoski’s direction, is using an obscure bit of state law to banish destination resorts near the Metolius basin. In a “discussion draft” of a proposal released earlier this month, DLCD strikes a decidedly Scrooge-like tone. The document acknowledges that the two property owners “have invested significant time and resources” in their projects. But do they deserve anything in exchange for the restrictions the DLCD is developing? The “process and public discussion will be to help the (Land Conservation and Development) Commission decide whether, and to what extent, those affected property owners should be compensated in some manner.” Bah, humbug!
We don’t know whether the draft’s tone is accidental or whether it reflects the outlook of the governor’s office, which sicced the DLCD on the developers. Either way, it suggests an arrogant disregard for the rights of property owners harmed by the governor’s plan. Both Kulongoski and the DLCD need to start communicating, clearly and emphatically, that the state will compensate the property owners fully for swiping the value of their land.
Two years ago, Kulongoski told lawmakers he wouldn’t sign a bill that would have barred development in the Metolius basin. Numerous people argued at the time (and continue to argue) that his promised veto was an act of expedience rather than a principled defense of the state’s land use laws. Had the governor trampled property rights by signing the bill, the argument went, voters might have opposed Measure 49, a legislative referral rolling back the property protections created by an earlier ballot measure. We were skeptical of the argument at the time, but the governor’s subsequent flip-flop suggests the cynics were right.
The statewide debate over property rights waxes and wanes, and at the moment, it’s completely overshadowed by the state of the economy. Sooner or later, it will re-emerge, however. And when it does, the governor’s little kangaroo court in the Metolius basin will be a powerful symbol for those who argue that Salem cannot be trusted to protect the rights of property owners. Unless, that is, he reaches into his pouch and pulls out his checkbook.
The Money Trail Leads to Some Strange Places
Thanks, hb. Maybe this will pick up some traction.
I wish I (or somebody) could find out why The Bully has such a hair up its ass over the Metolius issue.
The almost hysterical tone of the editorials suggests that somebody in a position of power at The Bully has an emotional stake in this. I've heard the Chandler family for some reason is/was on the outs with the Johnson family, which would explain their previous brutal treatment of Sen. Betsy Johnson, but not why they keep pounding on the issue now.
Just got an email from Barney Lerton at KTVZ--they won't cover it.
Passed it on to OPB and Ethan Lindsey.
Walden is getting face time on KTVZ right now.
Just one more before I go out with T:
Legalizing Marijuana More Popular Than Republicans
Now that is just funny.
Just got an email from Barney Lerton at KTVZ--they won't cover it. Passed it on to OPB and Ethan Lindsey.
No, the local mainstream media never report anything critical of each other.
Lindsey might run with it. He did a story when the business editor got fired for refusing to pretend the bubble hadn't popped. Good luck.
In more than 40 years in the news business I have never heard of a newspaper doing this. What they write on the editorial page is their business, and trying to spin the business news in a positive way is understandable, though not exemplary journalism -- but actually contributing to a PAC that supports candidates in a local election is way, WAY beyond the pale. IMHO.
So where did this info about the BULL being tied to the donations to CORA/COAH city-hall come from? Did hbm find it?? How come no explicit mention here?
We still need to find out where the $100k that bought the new council came from, it sure as hell didn't come from $50 individual optional donations to a pac from unemployed mexicans sheet-rockers.
COBA is on record for non-compliance of election law, it just takes people to file requests to elections commission, to initiate an audit.
BP,
This is why we told you NOT to solicit nickels on your JR site, you are in effect politically edoocating people, and it is possible someone might want to audit your paypal revenue and count all the nickels your JR site has earned, and know who the people were.
So HBM has made a big deal about the BULL giving money to city hall, no fucking surprise to me.
I still say we follow the $100k and find out where it came from, it sure as FUCK didn't come from Bend's un-employed.
CORA & COBA are basically a club of a lot of the same people, bankers, realtor, mtg brokers, ... it would be useful to get a list of COBA & CORA membership, I'm sure there are lots of people in this town that hate to see BEND become Bankrupt, so as to just enrich a few people at the BULL, and MDU.
I wish I (or somebody) could find out why The Bully has such a hair up its ass over the Metolius issue.
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I'll give you my two cents HBM.
See from day-one back in the 1960's HOLLERN Black-BUTTE ranch was for elite political folk from Salem. To this day, they use METOLIUS more than folks in Eastern-Oregon.
The valley folks will NOT stand and watch the Metolius Headwaters be destroyed,
All the people in BEND would fucking their own mother & grandmother for a nickel, but luckily The VALLEY, Willamette controls ORYGUN, and the VALLEY will have a say in whether the BULL PEOPLE can destroy the Metolius, and MY BET IS NO WAY IN HELL.
The valley people, including 1,000 friends of ORYGUN and 100's of first-class lawyers in PDX will ream the ass of these bastards trying to FUCK ALL of Eastern Orygun from BEND.
My opinion, as somebody who has been here for 40+ years.
I wish I (or somebody) could find out why The Bully has such a hair up its ass over the Metolius issue.
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Follow the MONEY, it goes both ways the BULL gave $4,000 to a PAC, most likely some POL owes the BULL or vice-verse, ... FOLLOW THE MONEY.
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Since it is zero from my JR site, I'm not that worried about it.
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Re: So where did this info about the BULL being tied to the donations to CORA/COAH city-hall come from? Did hbm find it?? How come no explicit mention here?
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You really are not paying attention.
http://juniper-ridge-info.blogspot.com
End of the post. Maybe I should put "Bulletin" in the title.
And a new one I noted, the Bend Business PAC:
BBPAC Funding
TOTAL $8,065.00
Bulletin in-kind $4000
BB PAC Spending
NOTE: $1625 to Eckman, Greene, and Eager is shown by the council members filings but not shown in the BB PAC filings. Filings by unelected candidate Don Leonard also show $1625 in contributions by the BB PAC
It is interesting to see our only local daily paper, the Bend Bulletin, has decided to fund some candidates in the City Council race as well as reporting on them. This would seem to be a major ethical violation by the elephant of local journalism. That's an interesting and somewhat troubling juxtaposition-our only daily newspaper funds a local political PAC that backs several candidates, editorializes for electing all but one of them before the election, and then editorializes for the last of the four to be appointed to fill the vacancy after the election. In fact, if you read the first editorial, you see that even before the election the Bulletin stated
"Clinton’s opponent, Don Leonard, is one of the better candidates in the race. He has the misfortune of running against Clinton. Not to worry, though. Should Telfer win her Senate race, her seat will soon become available. We hope Leonard applies."
And this was done without any acknowledgement of the Bulletin's financial interest in the election.
That's our Bulletin. And these are facts that need much wider knowledge in our currently financially challenged little city.
Since it is zero from my JR site, I'm not that worried about it.
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BP, you mean that nobody has ever donated even ONE DAMN nickel to your meter??
Hardly a mixed message, the stock-market knows, and Dodd knows, and bank-holiday is coming and soon!!
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Mixed message on nationalized banks
Boston Globe - 52 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Senate Banking Committee chairman Christopher Dodd said banks may have to be nationalized for "a short time" to help lenders survive the worst economic slump in 75 years.
Ex-Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, said the global economy may be deteriorating even faster than during the Great Depression.
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BP, you mean that nobody has ever donated even ONE DAMN nickel to your meter??
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Correctomundo. Not a penny via the JR blog.
Some cheerleading from the BULL:
It’s not all bad
Foreclosures are up, tax collections are down, restaurants and shops are closing, the school year’s likely to end early, Mirror Pond keeps silting up, and the University of Oregon basketball team is playing like a pack of sitting ducks. Is there any GOOD news out there?
Well, not a lot (unless you’re a University of Oregon track fan). So we’ll settle for some encouraging news, especially when it comes as a pleasant surprise.
Like, for instance, the number of permits the city of Bend has been issuing for new, single-family homes. In 2008, the city issued 276 permits. Meanwhile, over the 7½ months between July 1, 2008, and Feb. 16 of this year, Bend issued 183 permits for single-family dwellings. At that rate, Bend will issue roughly 300 permits for the year ending in June.
Permit holders don’t have to build right away. Under normal circumstances, according to the city, they have six months to start construction, and the window can be extended a further six months. So last year’s 276 permits haven’t necessarily produced 276 projects.
Moreover, last year’s permit total is the lowest in more than a decade. In 1998, for instance, the city issued 543 permits. And during the peak of the bubble — 2005 — the city issued a staggering 2,050, a number that dropped quickly to 1,517 (2006), then 759 (2007) and, finally, 276 last year.
So where’s the not-so-bad news? Though 2008 wasn’t exactly a banner year, Portland was the only city in the state to issue more permits for single-family dwellings than Bend, at 665. Portland’s population, meanwhile, is about seven times as large as Bend’s. Finishing third was Salem (269 permits), and at a distant fourth was Hillsboro (186). Housing construction in Bend has, indeed, fallen a very long way from a very high perch. But the reasons Bend was a popular destination four years ago haven’t changed. It’s a relatively affordable, small city in an attractive area filled with recreational opportunities. The economic slump has hurt Bend badly, but it hasn’t affected the city’s desirability.
You don’t have to be a wild-eyed optimist to assume that the stream of people moving to Bend — and the rest of Central Oregon, for that matter — will swell as the nation’s economy recovers. The unsustainable growth of 2004-06 probably won’t repeat itself, and that’s a good thing. But a 276-permit year will, again, seem anomalously low.
When this happens, we hope city and state policymakers remember the painful lessons we’re now learning. When a city relies heavily upon one industry, as Bend has upon housing construction, it suffers badly when that industry does. Bend, obviously, needs a more diversified economic base. But it’s hard to attract new industries with a supply of industrial land as pitifully limited as Bend’s has been in the recent past. And it’s hard to increase that supply under Oregon’s rigid, bureaucratic and process-heavy land use system.
Injecting some flexibility and common sense into that system will benefit Oregonians in the long run every bit as much as the truckload of federal “stimulus” money now heading this way. Had such flexibility existed 10 or 20 years ago, it might not be quite as hard to find good news today.
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Yep, our biggest problem is we don't have enough housing...
Yes, Bend is growing like hell and the BIGGEST PARASITIC BASTARDS of BEND are growing, still swimming in 1031 & MOSS/MDU dollars, Bend 'Westside' Church is trying to swallow up all west bend and cover it with asphalt just like east-side.
Here's an idea shit eating PUG KUNT JEEBUS FREAKS, build your fucking 'Christian Church' in JUNIPER-RIDGE, and use your own money for Knife-River to excavate. You could build the biggest fucking JEEBUS Hypocrisy Hut in the world, just don't do it in old-bend, your god-damn Jeebus Freak Cali Transplants.
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Neighbors upset by Bend church's expansion plans
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Newport Hills neighbors say they support church's goals but that expansion would have negative impact on the area
Newport Hills neighbors say they support church's goals but that expansion would have negative impact on the area
Westside Church neighbors appeal city approval, say it's too big to fit
By Tony Fuller, KTVZ.COM
It's considered one of the largest churches in Central Oregon. Bend's Westside Church is planning to expand to serve more people in the community.
But some people who live near the church say it's just outgrown their neighborhood.
Westside church serves over 1,000 people, but church officials say the need a little more space, so they are adding more seats to their worship areas.
But a group of neighbors say the church brings more traffic to the neighborhood than it can handle, and they plan to fight the expansion to keep it from happening.
According to the Newport Hills Homeowners Association, the congregation has gotten almost too big and has affected their community.
"What they really need is more like a 50-acre area with a giant parking lot," said Tom Ratcliffe, who has lived in the neighborhood for 11 years.
"I do understand they are growing and fulfilling a need," he said, "but their objectives for growth are still way beyond what they can exceed in a residential neighborhood like ours."
Inside the church are rows and rows of chairs that accommodate the numerous services offered by the church. With expansion plans in the works, the church is looking forward to serving more Central Oregonians.
"The major expansion will be a little larger worship center, and along with that we will have a larger atrium entryway," said Executive Pastor Craig Eshelman. "We will probably be expanding about 400 capacity from where we are now."
But neighbors like Natalie Hummel and Tom Ratcliffe say they feel like the church never asked them about the expansion. They say when the church informed them of the expansion plans, the papers were already filed with city.
"We go to church," Hummel said. "I'm a spiritual person. and I support what they are doing, as far as their mission. It's just hurting a neighborhood, and to hurt our home values and to change the nature of our neighborhood for the sake of that, I have a problem with."
But the church officials say they met with people in the neighborhood, most of whom were in favor of the expansion.
"We feel like we have always cooperated with our neighbors," Eshelman said. "We've had several meetings before we filed with the city."
But Newport Hills resident Barksdale Brown says the church didn't communicate very well, and traffic is his major concern.
"Do we really want a church the size of a Wal-Mart on the Westside?" Brown asked. "It seems to me that that's not in the character of the development of the neighborhood."
The homeowners in the Newport Hills subdivision have filed an appeal of the city hearings officer's approval of the expansion. The appeal has caused tension in the small, but now very busy neighborhood.
Bend's city councilors declined to hear the neighbors' appeal Wednesday night, agreeing with a recommendation by city planners, who said it didn't meet the criteria of citywide policy significance. That means the neighbors will have to take their appeal to the state, if they still want to stop the project.
Could you IMAGINE the city NOT approving the JEEBUS-FREAK Tower-of-Babel of BEND?
Hell most likely the 1,000 COBA folk that gave $50 on the BEHALF of COAH, most likely they were simple a list of Bend Christian Lemmings on marching orders.
Somebody PLEEEEEZE separate church&state in this god-damn fucking city of christian lunatics ( 1031, moss, ... you name it, ... Sawyer, ... Fraud, Embezzlement, Bend,... Christian ).
"We go to church," Hummel said. "I'm a spiritual person. and I support what they are doing, as far as their mission. It's just hurting a neighborhood, and to hurt our home values and to change the nature of our neighborhood for the sake of that, I have a problem with."
But the church officials say they met with people in the neighborhood, most of whom were in favor of the expansion.
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MOVE THE FUCKING CHURCH TO JUNIPER-RIDGE, and HAVE ALL THE FUCKING 'CHRISTIANS' PAY KR-MOSS-MDU $18/sq-ft to move dirt around. City will only charge $7/sq-ft for the land.
One OTHER FUCKING thing, all this JEEBUS shit is TAX EXEMPT, which FUCKS the town, MOVE THE FUCKING JEEBUS HALL to JR, where nobody lives, and let the people live where they live, and don't have to look at another fucking cali strip mall.
Same in CALI where these fuckers CAME FROM, they have these MONSTER fucking churches of 1,000's of people on ten's of acres, in tents, or towers.
JEEBUS CALI FREAKS, big churches, big dicks, big tits, everything has to be FUCKING BIG,
A REAL 'christian' is where 2 or more people worship, a REAL church is where-ever one or more congregate, this BEND EMPIRE SHIT is just plain fucking FRAUD, and LARCENY of elderly people.
. But it’s hard to attract new industries with a supply of industrial land as pitifully limited as Bend’s has been in the recent past. And it’s hard to increase that supply under Oregon’s rigid, bureaucratic and process-heavy land use system.
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If you don't like ORYGUN land-use laws, then go back to the fucking CALI hell-hole you came from mother fucker.
These BULL-heads ( pugs ) all come from CALI, and then try to make this place look like cali.
Just like Metolius, the only fucking treasure of the area, and they want to destroy it, and they're all fucking 'christians', but they care?? Hell no, cuz anyday now they're going to destroy the world, and jeebus will come take them away from the hell on earth they have created.
VERIZON HAS ANNOUNCED IT IS CLOSING ITS BEND CALL CTR May 1, 2009
WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED??
ARE YOU KUNTS GOING TO BLAME CITY-HALL? HELL NO, ITS THE BEND BRAND, these outfits aren't leaving, they're running from this god-damn dog shit eating cali 'jeebus' shit-hole.
Layoff watch: Verizon Wireless
Posted by The Silicon Forest Blog February 20, 2009 16:31PM
Categories: Job cuts
Verizon Wireless notified the state today that it plans to close its Bend call center on May 1, eliminating the 47 jobs there.
The call center is a holdover from Rural Cellular Corp. (Unicel), which Verizon acquired in 2007.
Verizon's call centers typically employ about 1,000, according to company spokesman Scott Charlston. He said the laid-off Bend workers will be offered jobs at other call centers (Verizon has centers in near Seattle, Sacramento, Phoenix and Albuquerque) and up to $15,000 to relocate.
Also today, Verizon paid bonuses to most of its 600 Oregon employees. The bonuses average 9 to 10 percent of a worker's salary, Charlston said, and are based on company and employee performance. This year's bonus payout is roughly equal to last year's, he said.
MOVE THE FUCKING CHURCH TO JUNIPER-RIDGE, and HAVE ALL THE FUCKING 'CHRISTIANS' PAY KR-MOSS-MDU $18/sq-ft to move dirt around. City will only charge $7/sq-ft for the land.
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By 'dirt' I should have said ROCK, the kind of rock that requires tons of explosives, and costs $720k/acre to develop. One of the worst places in the area to fucking develop, why it was never developed, in the past, and why county sold the entire 1500 acres to city for $1 in 1992. But DON'T worry KUNTS, KR-MOSS-MDU plan to reap $1B dollars on the excavation. All paid by city-of-bend.
Correctomundo. Not a penny via the JR blog.
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We'll you showed up here for money & love, and you didn't get the money.
Do you feel you got the 'love' you expected for all your effort.
I remember when you showed up, and said that you were going to document the Bend corruption, and all would love you for your effort. I laughed my fucking ass off.
A muck-racker, is always hated, Seldes said "A paper should have no friends", you BP, want everyone to like you, and thus its an oxymoron, to assume that you could ever be anything other than the BULL or SORE, unless you gave up on this idea that people will love you when you rub shit in their nose.
Bend is a town of parasites, and the silence is largely based on the fact that everyone made tons of money by going with the program, like Eckmans "MONEY MOMMAS", they're all JEEBUS-$$$-BEND this whole fucking town.
The TRUTH of Bend will never find you love in this town, the TRUTH will always be Blasphemy in Bend.
Anyone else notice all the BULL's full page ads in the last week or ten days for a seminar on how to make bug bucks on EBay? Their website is http://liveauctionworkshop.com/
It has some hilarious comments from "successful" EBay sellers that have sold less than ten items on EBay. Ten. And even even has "possible feedback". Shit, we have over 700 positive feedbacks alone, not counting repeat sales feedbacks.
What a scam this is, but then I guess it's just another case of the people supplying the miners with maps and shovels that make the money, not the prospectors.
Whois doesn't give much info, other than it's a private registration created on Dec. 18, 2008. And the website is nothing other than a sign-up form with pretty pics and dreams of riches.
http://www.tsweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3936&Itemid=66
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Truly fucking funny.
Here HBM is comparing BB2 to the lord-of-the-rings, but that's not fair, as BEND was the Shire long before HBM arrived.
What's most funny is that HBM derides BB2, but spends his life here, and keeps coming back for more.
Lastly this issue of 'intelligence', like why? What would be the point??? Talk about intelligence, look at this fucking town.
To me what BB2 does is DRIVE away the shit-eaters. HOMER/BUTTER is NOT a self-professed 'bigot', he try's to be funny. Bend is white as hell by design, both EYE&HOMER grew up in/or/near black/brown hoods, its these fucking 'gated' elite of Bend that are the fucking bigots. People who MOVE to Bend come here cuz its WHITE, and they want to keep it that way.
Lastly this endless fucking HATRED of anonymity. NOBODY in fucking Bend can speak the truth without anonymity, especially NOW that the ONLY fucking jobs left are BROOK's & GOVERNMENT two places that 'IF' they even knew you were blogging you would be fired.
HBM you can't steal my BEND LOTR analogy, find some new allegory.
AH, A LITTLE SLICE OF HEAVEN
http://www.themetolian.com/
Anyone else notice all the BULL's full page ads in the last week or ten days for a seminar on how to make bug bucks on EBay? Their website is http://liveauctionworkshop.com/
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It would sell better in Redmond.
I know six familys up there that all they do is go shop 2-4 times a day at super-walmart, and put the shit they bought on EBAY, ... some of these people have like five storage lockers, it takes 'compulsive shopping' to a whole new level, as its considered a business, its usually a stay at home wife doing the shopping, and a working hubby trying to support his wifes dream of having her own biz.
METOLIAN HEAVEN - Christian Building on Earth
Director, Lodging Development
Jason Eckhoff is the Principal of Maryville Hotel Associates, a hospitality development and advisory firm. He has over 13 years of experience in the management and ownership of hotels and resorts. Jason relocated to Bend, Oregon in July of 2007 from St. Louis, Missouri where he served as the asset manager and an equity partner for Baur Properties. In partnership with the Blackstone Group, Jason oversaw the management and ownership of a 300-room Marriott hotel and 122-room Marriott Courtyard and helped to facilitate the successful sale of these assets in March of 2007. Prior to his experience in St. Louis, Jason helped manage the 400-room Resort at Squaw Creek in Lake Tahoe, California. He is a graduate of the University of Vermont with a degree in Resort and Recreation Management and is a member of the Hospitality Asset Managers Association, The ULI Young leaders and the 2008 class of Leadership Bend. Jason and his wife Cynthia are passionate about the outdoors and are avid skiers, travelers, and fly fishers.
The FOLLOWING is CHRISTIAN BILE.
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In December of 2006 Jefferson County adopted a new Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Code. The County implemented Goal 8 of the Statewide Planning Goals and Guidelines (recreation) and identified two sites in Jefferson County as “destination resort eligible.” Since then the County’s adopted plan and code have been working through the appellate system, most recently making their way to the Oregon Supreme Court.
Governor Kulongoski has requested that the Department of Land Conservation and Development create an Area of Critical Concern (ACC) that would cover the entire Metolius Basin. This ACC designation would prohibit resorts from the Metolius Basin despite Jefferson County’s economic policy decision to permit such uses on two discrete sites in the county. No other county in Oregon has been overruled in this way.
Over the next few months the ACC issue will be debated in a number of public forums. Your support is sought to fight this unprecedented attack on Jefferson County’s ability to self-govern, the State’s Planning System and the Metolian project.
We believe it's important to:
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We encourage you to testify in opposition to this proposed designation. This website is providing a Writer's kit to help you understand the issues and make it easier for you to make your voice heard.
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Buster, I certainly didn't come here for the money. There are a few thousand better choices than Bend. I never expected to get much of anything from the JR blog, other than the satisfaction of learning more about the place I live.
As for love, who really cares. Some people appreciate my digging, some don't. I do what I do because I want to, not for the approval of anyone else. You think I would spend hours researching this stuff if I wasn't self-motivated?
The cynicism of TRUTH and Bend is pretty sad. But probably true. Such is life. I can't change others, I can only try to inform them.
* Preserve local control
[ Fuck You, if the local's of Redmond had there way, the entire Metolius basin would have been clear-cut years ago. ]
* Treat counties in Oregon equitably
[ Yes, its called the LAW, LCDC, its already equitable, its just that OUT OF STATE BUSINESS INTERESTS WANT TO BE EXEMPT FROM OUR LAWS. ]
* Rely on and be consistent in our use of Oregon's proven land use system
[ Yes, follow the fucking law. ]
* Support economic development
[ Fuck You, NEVER support out-of-state cut&run outfits, just like fucking POWDRZ buying MT-B, and what the fuck is the outcome? They sold off the bus, sold the bus land, deferred maintenance,... Out of Staters FUCK everything they touch here. ]
* Take a new approach to development
[ Take your NEW fucking approach to Mexico, or some third world country, and try to make that place into your christian paradise. Leave ORYGUN alone, let their be one fucking place on the planet that doesn't look like a So-Cali Jeebus parking lot. ]
HBM,
Asks 'what does the METOLIUS DEVELOPERS have on the BULL??
Well as far as I can see, a few out of state outfits realize that the METOLIUS is a FUCKING JEWEL, it SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTED YEARS ago by Wilderness status, ... it was allowed to be ran as a private park non-acessible to public ( I'm talking headwaters area ). Given that the ENTIRE area has long been a playground of well connected SALEM POL's they had it their way.
Now that Central-ORYGUN is FULL of fucking CALI's post 1990's, and they have RAN out of places to FUCK, their eye is on METOLIUS to be the NEXT BEAVERTON-ORYGUN.
Forever the willamette-valley turned its back to the nit-wits in eastern-orygun, it was a live and let live, as valley was DEM, and east was PUG, but even the PUG's like HOLLERN, was essentially a good steward of Black-Butte area.
TODAY we have a whole new flock of KMART developers, that are essentially a division of the folks at POWDRZ that run around buying resorts and then build a city of CONDOS and make 100X on their investment.
MOST of eastern ORYGUN sucks dick, but METOLIUS is one of the ONLY jewels, and thus it well sell.
DURING bad times, folks quite often don't give a fuck, in the name of 'jobs' city-hall will sell their own wives as whores for $$$.
But don't worry, 1,000 friends of ORYGUN is going to PUT the christians assholes of Bend ( COSTA ) in their place.
The cynicism of TRUTH and Bend is pretty sad. But probably true. Such is life. I can't change others, I can only try to inform them.
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Bend is largely about hypocrisy, no 'cynicism' required.
The veneer of Bend is quite thin, like HBM's story link above the first thing he says is "Most think Bend to be a gentle sweet little town, but with this town is BB2, a collection of bigots".
I don't care about what HBM says about BB2, cuz he's one of us.
What I like is the simple fact that HBM could even think to call BEND 'sweet & gentle', BEND is like Disneyland, everything in BEND is a prop.
Every thing in Bend is an illusion to sell real estate, and this 'new bend' started in the early 1990's.
The SORE with their endless events (HBM's BOSSHOGG).
Bend is NOT a sweet and gentle town. Bend is a PUG town. Bend is a town of crooks and frauds, and cheats and parasites. The city of Bend spends a fortune on 'branding bend' with taxpayer dollars to bring in tourists. To sell them condos.
Behind all the facade of BEND is a vast army of Stepford Wives that all belong to Bends many 'christian churches'. Of course many of these women are realtors, and most try to get the incoming retirees into 1031 deals.
A place like Bend works well in good times, but in bad times their is NOTHING more ugly than a christian hypocrite. In good times they smile, and pour wine with other peoples money.
In bad times with nothing to steal, they start stealing from one another.
Today the BEND brand is dead, yet their is SO MUCH misery in So-Cali that the church franchises down their can sell BEND to those people to move up here, on their 'vacation' here they can go to our GIANT christian churches here like 'westside' and feel at home, where they can then be sold real-estate by the 1,000's of christian realtors and mtg brokers,...
Sadly, the only people in So-Cali with money are the OLD, and these are the LAST people that should be moving to BEND. The ONLY growth for BEND-AREA churches is the over 50 crowd with money, ...
What's most funny is that HBM derides BB2, but spends his life here, and keeps coming back for more.
I didn't "deride" it; I said it was a place where anonymous trolls hang out. Which is true.
And I don't spend 1/10 as much time here as you do.
Given that HBM stole my LOTR material, I feel its only fair to repost the real story of hobbits and Bend, Orygun.
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A Cascadian Hobbits Tale of Bend
This article is largely concerned with Central Oregonians, or Hobbits as we call them in Cascadia.
In the old times there were three kinds of Sapiens that roamed the old earth, Hobbits in Cascadia, Goblins in Mordor { south and east of cascadia }, and Man { sometimes called people } in the old Arab world to the east, and the Asean world to the far-west, both across great oceans. Long ago man ruled the old earth, but he nearly became extinct and thus forgotten until the great oil wars. During the great oil wars the arab men and women of the east were completely wiped out by great diseases created by the Nazgul of Mordor. The people of the far-west { aseans } survived as they did not physically partake of oil wars, only financed them, thus in time they held most of man's paper money which of course was ultimately without value.
Concerning Cascadian-Hobbits, they're gentle creatures more concerned with the earth, .e.g. hiking, biking, generally being outdoors, and near things green that grow from the earth. They love children, micro-brew, and southern-cascadia grown pipe-weed. The simple things in life, they're despised by the Goblins in California/Mordor. The cascadian hobbits love to be outdoors. The goblins love prisons, their homes are like prisons, they build schools like prison's. The prison and killing industry was the basis for their economy.
The goblins south of cascadia they call themselves Californians { Mordorians } are only concerned with themselves, money, and their car- keys. They prefer metal or plastic, and live only for accumulation. They hate the natural earth and crave to cover it all with concrete and/or asphalt. The Mordorian's have completely covered their own native lands with asphalt and such, and they seem only happy when doing so in new lands.
Middle Earth, or should I say cascadia is now past its third age. The dark lord Sauron { Cauron in cascadia } of Mordor long ago forged the one car-key to rule them all, today californians all consider their car keys their 'precious', as the evil of long ago once worshipped the ring of power.
Mordor ( california ) has once again awoken, the californians have erected an Issengard right in Bend Oregon calling it "Franklin Crossings". The hobbits of bend didn't seem to notice change, until the sun was blocked by this new Issengard. This alerted the hobbits of bend, the Bend council long taken over by Goblins, Orcs, and Gollum like creatures spoke of more Issengards in Bend, and of great Mordorian subdivisions in the north called "Juniper Ridge". It is said that the Bilbo of Hobbiton was the first to notice the Issengard {Franklin-Crossing} monument from the Kanes of St. Francis while having a pint, at first it was thought that he had one too many, but in time others saw, and found that he was correct. The cascadian shire of Bend had forever changed.
The Nazgul or in Cascadia we call them the "Mercedes Driving Goblins" are trying to re-unite all the car-keys, they believe in the One Car-Key to rule them all of the old legend. The Mercedes has always been the greatest phallic icon to wealthy Goblins since the darkest times of the third age. When a hobbit see's a mercedes with mordorian plates they are taught as children to run seek shelter. The old legend speaks of Sauron not a goblin or man, but a spirit that oversaw the oil burning machines and all the business associated with its financial system.
To the old people there was the Farthings, there was west, middle, and east, the Hobbit people of Eugene were most west, and the desert dwelling of Hobbits in Bend were the most east. In the second generation after the great war goblins from the south or mordor, e.g. California came to plunder the land. Over the years the word got back to mordor that hobbits in Bend were weak creatures, that could easily be confined to small lots in mordor type subdivisions.
By the third generation, before our times the goblins had taken over Bend { desert cascadia }, and many hobbits you would not recognized they became like the gollum of the old legend. Legend says that Hobbits that adopt Californian and/or Mordorian habits become vile and ugly creatures.
Today the sun shines over hobbit Shire-Bend and many cascadian hobbits see a chance to take the one car-key that rules them all back to california-mordor. In this age it has been become more difficult for those that built Issengard { franklin-crossings }, as the the banks that funded these ventures were they themselves houses of sand. Once all around Issengard was destroyed, the young Goblins of California no longer came to cascadia for there was no hobbit blood to draw, as they're elder's had sucked the land dry. For generations the goblins descended on cascadia like locust in search of gold, oil, and trees, eventually there was nothing left so they moved on.
To the far east across the great ocean's in the east the gobllin's of mordor had turned their attention to pillaging the great arab lands of the old earth the land of man, where the ancient ones are of said to have invented algebra & Law. For long the the goblins of Mordor thought their car-keys were the source of power but they learned in the times that oil, was the source of power, so they destroyed the old world of the Far-East. They killed and killed for generations, in time, the children returning killed thier own, for this is all they knew of life. The returning goblins of the great oil wars killed their own family's upon returning to Mordor. In the end of their times they resorted to eating one another where the strong orc's ate the goblins, and nazgul ate the orc's.
The goblins of Mordor had become sicker and sicker by this third generation having wasted the land of the so called country of california, that which we hobbits call mordor. The Goblins of Mordor in the late third age discovered Oil. The Goblins consumed the oil, and bathed in the oil, and in time became Orc's. Millions of Orc's were bred in Mordor, and they were used for the great oil wars that went on for generations, until at last the oil was gone, and there was nothing left to steal in the arab-lands of the far east.
In thus doing as they struggle to build more Issengard { Franklin Crossing's ...} like monuments in cascadia they could no longer borrow from the people of the far-west, the so called Fourth-Age people {aseans}. During this time the hobbits of Cascadia saw an opportunity to once and for all rid themselves of those that worshipped the car-keys { californians, aka mordorites }.
The hobbits of cascadia banned the goblin-mobile, that foul spelling monstrosity that burns fossil fuels. Soon the Goblins had no means of transportation, as they had long ago lost the means to walk on their own. Generations of long wars of killing for the sake of killing for oil, and land left the Goblins without children, and they became gradually extinct. The Nazgul rules of californian had enacted a children's-service's, so called CSD, where all Goblin children were taken at birth and placed in Military Training Camps. In time the Goblins out of loss, simply quit breeding among themselves. This left only the NazGul to breed the Goblins and Orc's of California or as we call Mordor.
The hobbits of Cascadia tried to teach their young of the old ways of gentle earth loving folk, when the goblins lost their health they created television, that they broadcasted into hobbit homes with the hope of making hobbits love the things that goblins love, but the wise old hobbits simply unplugged the tv's. With the loss of the propaganda machine, the Goblin ideology's became legend.
In the fourth age hobbits reverted to simple life of old, as all the treasure that the goblins of california could take had been taken, but the hobbits still had a little water, some earth, and their love for things green. Hobbits had always known that the simple life was the best life, a completely different outlook on life than that held by the Goblins to the South and East of Cascadia.
The Nazgul leaders of california, unable to borrow wealth from the new age people of the far west { asean new world } wallowed in filth, and became extinct. They could not rape and rob as they had done in the far east { arab old world }, as they're great killing machines had long been destroyed by attrition. The people of the Far-West { aseans } would no longer finance the the great oil wars. In the final act of desperation the NazGul created a great disease which the people of Mordor called "aids", which was a combination of orc-blood from orcs that had leukemia and wild pigs. This concoction was found to be transmitted sexually and released in the Dark Conentinent of Africa far south of the Arab lands of the Great ancient east.
The Nazgul called land where the orc-blood and pigs were harvested "Litton-Bionetics". In time all of the black men, women, and child Africa was wiped out, it is thought that the goblins had intended to settle in Africa having destroyed Mordor and making it un-inhabitable. The so called 'aids' was unleashed in the Arab world, but failed, as they not being promiscious people, thus the nazgul resorted to creating millions of orc's who slaughtered the arab man, woman, and child by hand. Not since the slaughter of the Tasmanians in the second age, had entire population been wiped from the old earth. During the end times the goblins attempted to unleash their aids weapon upon the far-west aseans, but they being a clever people quickly developed an antidote. By these times the goblins of Mordor had become nearly extinct.
Eventually the returning children of Mordor all children who were killing machines, turned on their own familys, bringing an end to Mordor. Eventually the great tribes of far eastern Mordor fought those on the west, .e.g. the two great mordorian tribes of the west-coast and east-coast annihilated one another.
Most recently the surviving Goblins of Mordor have built 'The Shire" near Bend, a monstrosity that is supposed to be like Bree, but is just another Mordor SubDivision of the third age. Only a few homes in "The Shire" have sold, and those only to rich Goblins and a few Gollum like hobbits. Most of these new homes will never be built as the Goblin financial system had collapsed making it impossible to get easy money to build Mordorian structures near Bend. The goblins financed everything with credit, for they never worked, once the great credit systems that were made available by the great Aseans tribes of man in the Far-West quit financing Mordor most Goblins in Cascadia starved to death.
Hobbits prefer to live on a few acres, where they can have animals, and the children can play. The Goblin's preferred little 50by50 concrete lots where the home's actually touched each other, this was thought a way to as the Goblin Leaders { NazGul } could have the goblins keep an eye on each other.
All of the above is distant legend, its important that this legend be passed down. Even though the Mordorians have wiped themselves out, their spirit lives, the times of greed, war, rape, and pillage could return if the young hobbits are not educated. Those that not know their past are destined to repeat.
Hobbits will always prosper, for the Mordorians have nothing, they say our micro-brew and pipe-weed makes us lazy and unfit for war, they say that ours lands being absent of malls makes their lives boring. They say that our dislike of the oil burning horse makes their lives unbearable. We must never again allow Cascadian Hobbit Lands to become like Mordor to the South and East. So long as we're unfit for war, and our lands contain no wealth for Californians we can live in peace. May our lives always move at a slow pace.
Posted by BilboBend at 9:05 AM
16 comments:
Anonymous said...
I dearly love this adolescent masturbatory fantasy stuff. Where else can I find grown men regressing so? I'm positive that this goes over so well in adult company :)
It is a delightful tale though. You should make your living writing fantasy.
Oh, you do!
June 5, 2007 10:20 AM
Anonymous said...
I dearly love this adolescent masturbatory fantasy stuff. Where else can I find ...?
www.pussy.org, would be a good start.
The have pictures, you will find them better than text, for your erotic needs.
If your partial to Hobbit materials for arousal you may want to google "furries & sex"
June 5, 2007 10:45 AM
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I think I understand now the cali's were created, are they all bad?
No, there are hobbit's in Mordor. Most of the Orc's are beyond redemption. Some goblins have good hearts, but they have made money their 'precious' so long, they're quite deranged.
The most chilling thing with the Orc's in Bend is they take over our Hobbit police departments and replace the police with orc-police, who are quite brutal with the hobbit children.
The Nazgul { realtors, and mortgage brokers } usually are beyond redemption.
The Latino tribes far south of Mordor are good people, they came from the great Asean Tribes during the first generation before hobbit times. I'm talking of course of the natives, the spanish-orcs wiped much of the native lation out in the last generation.
The Orc's of Mordor { california } are currently concerned with the Sauron in the GreatEasternMordor tribes { we hobbits call dubya }.
Given that much of the wealth of ShireBend has been looted by the Nazgul, they should soon be moving on.
Have a good day, and an ale.
Fuck You, if the local's of Redmond had there way, the entire Metolius basin would have been clear-cut years ago.
That is literally true.
Back before the turn of the last century, the late Sam Johnson's father, a timber baron, bought up a lot of forest land in Central Oregon, including property at the Head of the Metolius. His plan was to build a sawmill there, if you can imagine that. But thankfully the railroad line went elsewhere and the sawmill plan wasn't practical. That's why the Johnson family owns that beautiful place near the Head of the Metolius.
The Metolius is not something that belongs to Dutch Pacific or Ponderosa Land & Cattle Co. or the locals of Jefferson County or anyplace else. It is a treasure that belongs to the people of Oregon.
So where did this info about the BULL being tied to the donations to CORA/COAH city-hall come from? Did hbm find it?? How come no explicit mention here?
Bewert had it first on his blog, as I stated. I checked out his numbers myself on ORESTAR and added a few more numbers about individual contributions.
Take a new approach to development
That's the sales pitch, but as we all know, what developers promise and what they actually build are often two different things.
I didn't "deride" it; I said it was a place where anonymous trolls hang out. Which is true.
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A troll is somebody that mind fucks with people, and says shit for effect.
We have never really had a 'troll' problem on BB2, I think the main reason is that most of us are over 50, and trolls tend to be kids, and fucking with old farts is a bore.
It's funny that for HBM anon-nym-ass == TROLL. 'IHTBYB' is anon, and thus a troll, like I have said there is only three real people here hbm, and BP, & dunc-ned, all other are trolls according to 'real-urnalist' hbm.
As somebody who majored in physics & philosophy, and has worked with computers since the 1950's I don't think that BB2 has a troll problem.
Trolls tend to cut&run, sort of like what hbm does.
Most of the posters here comment on the daily news. Is that really trolling?, if one studies the SORE-EYE, you can see that 99% of the TIME hbm NEVER writes original material he simply writes about other peoples material that he can quote. Given that is what we do here, then by HBM defn we all be 'trolls'.
Personally, I don't give a fuck what you call us, but I know deep in my heart that HBM is one of us.
The Metolius is not something that belongs to Dutch Pacific or Ponderosa Land & Cattle Co. or the locals of Jefferson County or anyplace else. It is a treasure that belongs to the people of Oregon.
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The METOLIUS is a national treasure, and I think HBM should spend more time promoting it as a national-park, or such, before its BEND-GONE.
The METOLIUS is too valuable to be protected by even SALEM, as the evil rhetoric of the BULL now shows.
We have had this discussion before but it needs to be said, these fucking calis that came here in the last 5, 10, 20, ... years seem to think they found paradise, and that before them it was just dumb fucking rednecks.
People have been fighting FOREVER to protect the little that we still have left, I'm only too fucking familar with the on-going battle to protect metolius from development, its been going on forever.
These fucking newbies think that everything is up for grabs. It's NOT there is SACRED shit here.
Take a new approach to development
That's the sales pitch, but as we all know, what developers promise and what they actually build are often two different things.
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New-Approach?? No golf course!!! Imagine that?? Who would have guessed???
Oh, wait there is going to be a golf course?? Oh, and how many years before its sold? Remember Orygun golf courses only exist to sell homes, the courts have ruled this. There is NO responsibility of the developer to maintain the golf-course once the development is sold.
The best part of putting 1,000's of of retirees into Metolious is then its a 2hr drive to the doctor in the winter when all is frozen-fog and the safe driving speed is 25mph.
My favorite real estate quote is "They always name their development after that which they have destroyed".
IF & WHEN the metolious is developed, it will look just like any Mall on I97, and yet they'll call it 'Metolius, Heaven on Earth'. But its just a parking lot!
To Californians nothing is sacred except the stars they put in the ground on Hollywood & Vine. You can't appeal to Californians on the basis of "sacred." They don't know what your talking about.
HBM Said--The Metolius is not something that belongs to Dutch Pacific or Ponderosa Land & Cattle Co. or the locals of Jefferson County or anyplace else. It is a treasure that belongs to the people of Oregon.
He's starting to sound a lot like Babs Streisand.
To Californians nothing is sacred except the stars they put in the ground on Hollywood & Vine. You can't appeal to Californians on the basis of "sacred." They don't know what your talking about.
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Isn't the 'westside church' sacred??
Isn't the US Dollar sacred?
Isn't Bend's version of the 'baby jeebus' sacred??
HBM,
I think the biggest story today is the about 'westside church' and how the BULL has lobbied them to enlarge the fucking thing, and how the hood is outraged, and how city-hall rubber stamped the project.
1.) These SUPER LARGE cali churches generate NO property tax, being tax exempt, in the best land in the city.
2.) These HUGH fucking calis parking lot churches should be out east on hwy-20, east of 27th, or up in JR, or down in DRW.
Sure they want to be at the foot of Awbrey BUTT, where the richest elderly in the city live, so they can fleece them to the bone, like the Redmond article the other day all churches in the area are dying, the only growth is OLD people but that is who has the money.
All christian churches in the BEND area are a front for selling real-estate and 1031's, ... and mtg's, ... Bend's version of christianity seems to be obsessed with being RICH quick. All of the most recent frauds in BEND all point back to BEND's church empire.
He's starting to sound a lot like Babs Streisand.
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No he's starting to sound like there is something in the area worth fighting for.
Learned helplessness is BEND-AREA, and even HBM knows that some things are worth fighting for.
The PUG's aren't happy until all is clearcut and covered with asphalt, read the fucking 'hobbits history of Bend', its been going on forever here.
Fucking pug's just want to cut down trees and crush rock, and cover the land with pesticide factors, and tire factory's, just like the fucking nazis ( greshams law ).
No accident that Bend's Christians are PUG's.
No accident.
Bend Jeebus is a PUG, and ergo doesn't have a FUCKING thing to do with the bible or the new-testament.
Church & State, the richest people in BEND use the church to market, and the church is tax-exempt. Taking over the best land in the city tax-exempt, and someday during the next BOOM, imagine they SELL this BEST land at an astronomic profit to some insider developer.
Who would have fucking guessed??
Welcome to BEND.
Sit on the best land of the city today, tax exempt.
Re: We encourage you to testify in opposition to this proposed designation. This website is providing a Writer's kit to help you understand the issues and make it easier for you to make your voice heard.
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Sounds like a great opportunity to speak out against yet another rural subdivision.
Download our Writer's Kit for a discussion of the major issues, names and addresses of people you may want to contact (including email addresses), and more background information.
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All the info you need to declare your opposition to this piece of crap masquerading as "green".
Obama tells Treasury to begin cutting taxes
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama ordered the U.S. Treasury on Saturday to implement tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans, fulfilling a campaign pledge he hopes will help jolt the economy out of recession.
The tax cuts are part of a $787 billion (549 billion pound) economic recovery plan passed by the Democratic-controlled Congress over Republican opposition. The aim is to put more money in the pockets of Americans and stimulate the economy by increasing consumer spending.
"I'm pleased to announce that this morning the Treasury Department began directing employers to reduce the amount of taxes withheld from paychecks, meaning that by April 1st, a typical family will begin taking home at least $65 more every month," Obama said in his weekly radio address.
"Never before in our history has a tax cut taken effect faster or gone to so many hard-working Americans," he said.
With tens of thousands of Americans losing their jobs in the midst of a global economic meltdown, Obama has said fixing the U.S. economy is his top priority. He has acknowledged that his success or failure in that will define his presidency.
Obama campaigned for the White House last year on a pledge to roll back his predecessor George W. Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy few and implement a cut for 95 percent of Americans...
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Yep, he's just like W.
NOT :)
From WSJ:
'Nationalize' the Banks
Dr. Doom says a takeover and resale is the market-friendly solution.
By TUNKU VARADARAJAN
New York
Nouriel Roubini is always dressed in black-and-white.
I have known him for nearly two years, and have seen him in a variety of situations -- en route to class at New York University's Stern Business School, where he's a professor; over a glass of wine in his boyish loft in Manhattan's Tribeca; at an academic conference, seated sagely on the dais; at a bohemian party in Greenwich Village, at . . . oh . . . 3 a.m. -- and he always, always wears a black suit with a white linen shirt.
And so, in black-and-white he was, earlier this week, when he rushed into the office of Roubini Global Economics, his consulting firm in downtown Manhattan, and offered a breathless apology to this correspondent, who'd been waiting for half an hour. "Really sorry I'm late! Charlie Rose taped for way longer than he said he would."
Mr. Roubini -- a month short of 50 -- is in huge media demand, the nearest thing to a rock-star among the economists who hold our fate in their hands these days. The peculiar thing, of course, is that he's in demand because he specializes in predictions of gloom. (He has earned himself the sobriquet of "Doctor Doom.") In person, though, he's anything but a downer.
The man has instant impact on public debate. An idea he floated only last week -- that our "zombie banks" be temporarily nationalized -- aired first on Forbes.com, where he writes a weekly column. It has evolved, in the space of just a few days, from radical solution to almost received wisdom.
Last Sunday on ABC, George Stephanopoulos asked Lindsey Graham, the conservative Republican senator, what he thought about all this talk of bank nationalization. Mr. Graham said that he wouldn't take the idea off the table. And on Wednesday, Alan Greenspan told the Financial Times that "it may be necessary to temporarily nationalize some banks in order to facilitate a swift and orderly restructuring."
Mr. Roubini tells me that bank nationalization "is something the partisans would have regarded as anathema a few weeks ago. But when I and others put it in the context of the Swedish approach [of the 1990s] -- i.e. you take banks over, you clean them up, and you sell them in rapid order to the private sector -- it's clear that it's temporary. No one's in favor of a permanent government takeover of the financial system."
There's another reason why the concept should appeal to (fiscal) conservatives, he explains. "The idea that government will fork out trillions of dollars to try to rescue financial institutions, and throw more money after bad dollars, is not appealing because then the fiscal cost is much larger. So rather than being seen as something Bolshevik, nationalization is seen as pragmatic. Paradoxically, the proposal is more market-friendly than the alternative of zombie banks."
In any case, Republicans must now temper their reactions, he says. "The kind of government interference in the economy that we saw in the last year of Bush was unprecedented. The central bank -- supposed to be the lender of the last resort -- became the lender of first and only resort! With our recapitalizing of financial institutions, and massive government intervention in the markets, we've already crossed a significant bridge."
So, will the highest level of government be receptive to the bank-nationalization idea? "I think it will," Mr. Roubini says, unhesitatingly. "People like Graham and Greenspan have already given their explicit blessing. This gives Obama cover." And how long will it be before the administration goes in formally for nationalization? "I think that we're going to see the policy adopted in the next few months . . . in six months or so."
That long? I ask. "Six months from now," he replies, "even firms that today look solvent are going to look insolvent. Most of the major banks -- almost all of them -- are going to look insolvent. In which case, if you take them all over all at once, you cause less damage than if you would if you took over a couple now, and created so much confusion and panic and nervousness.
"Between guarantees, liquidity support, and capitalization, the government has provided between $7 trillion to $9 trillion of help to the financial system. De facto, the government is already controlling a good chunk of the banking system. The question is: Do you want to move to the de jure step."
Yet another reason why bank nationalization is a good idea, Mr. Roubini continues, is that "we started with banks that were too big to fail, but what has happened, in the process, is that these banks have become even-bigger-to-fail. J.P. Morgan took over Bear Stearns and WaMu. BofA took over Countrywide and then Merrill. Wells Fargo took over Wachovia. It doesn't work! You can't take two zombie banks, put them together, and make a strong bank. It's like having two drunks trying to keep each other standing.
"So if you took over a big bank, and you split the assets in three or four pieces, maybe you create three or four regional or national banks, and they're stronger! Nationalization -- or 'temporary receivership,' if you like, if the N-word is a political liability -- is an occasion to undo the sort of consolidation that has created an even bigger systemic problem. And the only way to do it is by essentially taking them over and breaking them up."
Here, I ask Mr. Roubini whether he has been more right -- more prescient -- in his reading of the economic downturn than all the other famous bears in America. After all, judging by the attention paid to him in the press, it is hard not to conclude that he is the leading guru of the current recession, or "near-depression," as he often calls it. My question, remarkably, induces in him some diffidence. "I don't want to personalize the analysis, you know . . . because, first of all, there were many people who got many of the elements right.
"People like [Robert] Shiller were very worried about the housing bubble. People like Steve Roach were worried about an economy based on asset bubbles leading to consumption bubbles that were unsustainable. People like Ken Rogoff talked about global imbalances in the current account deficit not being sustainable. Nassim Taleb has been worrying for a while about 'fat tail' events . . . . So lots of people signaled concern about things. I was one of those who put the dots together and thus gave a more fleshed-out picture."
To Mr. Roubini, the most interesting question isn't the one of who got it right. Instead, he asks why we "over and over again, get into these periods of irrational exuberance, when not only is there an asset bubble and a credit bubble, but people believe these are sustainable over a long time -- Wall Street, policy makers, rating agencies, academics, journalists . . . ."
What exactly is Nouriel Roubini's economic philosophy? "I believe in market economics," he says, with some emphasis. "But to paraphrase Churchill -- who said this about democracy and political regimes -- a market economy might be the worst economic regime available, apart from the alternatives.
"I believe that people react to incentives, that incentives matter, and that prices reflect the way things should be allocated. But I also believe that market economies sometimes have market failures, and when these occur, there's a role for prudential -- not excessive -- regulation of the financial system. The two things that Greenspan got totally wrong were his beliefs that, one, markets self-regulate, and two, that there's no market failure."
How could Mr. Greenspan have been so naïve, I ask, hoping to get a rise. "Well," says Mr. Roubini, "at some level it's good to have a framework to think about the world, in which you emphasize the role of incentives and market economics . . . fair enough! But I think it led to an excessive ideological belief that there are no market failures, and no issues of distortions on incentives. Also, central banks were created to provide financial stability. Greenspan forgot this, and that was a mistake. I think there were ideological blinders, taking Ayn Rand's view of the world to an extreme.
"Again, I don't want to personalize things, but the last decade was one of self-regulation. But in the financial markets, without proper institutional rules, there's the law of the jungle -- because there's greed! There's nothing wrong with greed, per se. It's not that people are more greedy now than they were 20 years ago. But greed has to be tempered, first, by fear of losses. So if you bail people out, there's less fear. And second, by prudential regulation and supervision to avoid certain excesses."
How does Mr. Roubini think the media has covered the financial crisis? "The problem," he says -- after first stating to me that he intends "no offense!" -- "is that in the bubble years, everyone becomes a cheerleader, including the media. This is the time when journalists should be asking tough questions, and I think there was a failure there. The Masters of the Universe were always on the cover, or the front page -- the hedge-fund guys, the imperial CEO, private equity. I wish there had been more financial and business journalists, in the good years, who'd said, 'Wait a moment, if this man, or this firm, is making a 100% return a year, how do they do it? Is it because they're smarter than everybody else . . . or because they're taking so much risk they'll be bankrupt two years down the line?'
"And I think, in the bubble years, no one asked the hard questions. A good journalist has to be one who, in good times, challenges the conventional wisdom. If you don't do that, you fail in one of your duties."
Mr. Varadarajan, a professor at NYU's Stern School and a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, is executive editor for Opinions at Forbes.
"I'm pleased to announce that this morning the Treasury Department began directing employers to reduce the amount of taxes withheld from paychecks, meaning that by April 1st, a typical family will begin taking home at least $65 more every month,"
$65 a month doesn't sound like much -- I wish it was more -- but if you're trying to stimulate the economy it makes more sense to do it that way than to send out one-time checks for $1,000, like the Bush administration did. When people get a big (or semi-big) windfall they tend to sock it away. With $65 a month, they'll most likely spend it.
Nationalization of all banks within six months, right about the time they all start imploding...
An excerpt of a Wall Street Journal interview:
So, will the highest level of government be receptive to the bank-nationalization idea? "I think it will," Mr. Roubini says, unhesitatingly. "People like (Sen. Lindsey) Graham and Greenspan have already given their explicit blessing. This gives Obama cover." And how long will it be before the administration goes in formally for nationalization? "I think that we're going to see the policy adopted in the next few months . . . in six months or so."
That long? I ask. "Six months from now," he replies, "even firms that today look solvent are going to look insolvent. Most of the major banks -- almost all of them -- are going to look insolvent. In which case, if you take them all over all at once, you cause less damage than if you would if you took over a couple now, and created so much confusion and panic and nervousness.
Nobody said the OREO was dubya, we said the OREO was more BUSH than BUSH.
Another ORYGUN BITCH bank bites the Dust,...
Oregon Regulators Shut Silver Falls Bank, 14th Seized in 2009
Bloomberg - 7 hours ago
By Ari Levy and Margaret Chadbourn Feb. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Oregon regulators seized Silver Falls Bank, the 14th US bank shuttered this year, as the worst financial crisis in a more than half a century further tightens access to credit and pushes ...
Did everybody here already know that the Verizon shop here was closed for good May 1, 2009???
The WAR has fucking STARTED!!! YEH...
The SWISS government has declared WAR on the US treasury and IRS, and US Government for forcing UBS to divulge banking information, that had been sacred for 100's of years.
The USA as a fucking BULLY is now going to get hits fucking ass taken to the woodshed.
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Swiss party wants to punish US for UBS probe
Reuters - 8 hours ago
ZURICH, Feb 21 (Reuters) - The right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) called on Saturday for retaliation against the United States over a US tax probe into the country's biggest bank UBS that threatens prized banking secrecy.
Silver Falls Bank becomes 14th US bank closed this year
Business News
Feb 21, 2009, 21:32 GMT
Washington - The Silver Falls Bank in the western US state of Oregon became the 14th US bank to be seized so far this year, part of an escalating pattern of bank failures amidst the worst financial turmoil in more than 70 years.
Oregon state regulators seized the bank, which had 116.3 million dollars in deposits, or liabilities, and 131.4 million dollars in assets, usually in the form of outstanding loans to businesses and consumers.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation was named as the receiver. The FDIC said Friday that another local bank, Citizens Bank of Corvallis, Oregon, would take over the deposits and hang its shingle on the Silver Falls branches by Monday.
For all of 2008, the FDIC shut down 25 banks.
Earlier this month, US President Barack Obama warned that more US banks were likely to fail as the full extent of losses amidst the credit crunch becomes clear.
'Some banks won't make it,' Obama told NBC news.
Since taking office January 20, Obama's administration and Congress have moved swiftly to stem the economic haemorrhage with the 787-billion-dollar stimulus plan, a commitment by the Treasury department to inject up to 2 trillion dollars into the financial system and a 275-billion-dollar lifeline to up to 9 million homeowners threatened by foreclosure.
But bank stocks continued to weigh down the stock markets, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average ending its worst week in three months on Friday.
Much of the week's sell-off was driven by investors' concerns that a new wave of bank nationalizations could soon strike Wall Street, spurred by comments by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chistopher Dodd to Bloomberg News that it was 'possible that (nationalization) may happen' to some banks.
The FDIC in third quarter 2008 classified at least 171 banks as 'problem,' 46 per cent more than in the second quarter. Its reserves as of the third quarter were 34.6 billion dollars, and it projects it could face another 40 billion dollars in outlays by 2013, prompting it to double the premiums it charges banks.
Obama has lashed out at banks for their 'mismanagement, because of huge risk-taking' and announced tough restrictions on the salaries of Wall Street executives seeking government aid, putting a cap of 500,000 dollars on some annual salaries.
'We all need to take responsibility,' Obama said at the White House in early February. 'This includes executives at major financial firms who turned to the American people, hat in hand, when they were in trouble, even as they paid themselves customary lavish bonuses.'
So does 'greshams law' apply to BB2, hbm argues that on the sore-eye,
Greshams-Law is the adage that bad-money, drives out good-money, ok fine. Some have applied this to sociology, where rotten apples will drive away the good apples.
Ok, somebody cite me an example of a good-apple that has EVER been @BB2, and don't say BEM, because he got his life back in the fall of 2006, before HOMER took over BB2.
There has NEVER been a good-apple @BB2, we're all bad-apples, so thus hbm is wrong about the application of greshams-law to this group.
What about applying this law to Bend? How about it hbm? Does all the bad christians, fraud, bad-cops, crooks, does it drive out the good people???
Where there ever good people in BEND?? I think not.
Obama unveils plan to help shelter homeowners
Washington (AP) - President Barack Obama unveiled plans Wednesday to help up to 9 million homeowners facing foreclosure.
The plan will enable as many as 5 million homeowners with loans owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to obtain large cardboard boxes free of charge. The plan, known as the Move America into Boxes Act, will supply the nation with free boxes the size of large refrigerators in which they can seek shelter.
Distributing the boxes “will allow millions of families struck with mortgages they can not pay to have shelter while maintaining their dignity,” Obama said. “And the estimated cost to taxpayers would be roughly zero because the boxes will come from appliance manufacturers that are going out of business.” The plan is being hailed as a win-win for America.
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The plan will enable as many as 5 million homeowners with loans owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to obtain large cardboard boxes free of charge.
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Well its a first step, duBya never offered boxes, duBya denied there was even a fucking problem even at his 12th hr.
The OREO has inherited a helluva fucking mess.
Good note pugs, the OREO ratings have already fell from 75 to 55, I'm hearing that his rating will below 50 by March 1, 2009.
If he's lucky he'll stay above Bushes record of 19.
OREO was told from the start to do the sunny ronny raygun thing, but OREO wants to tell the ameriKKKan people the truth!!!
The US people don't want to fucking truth, they want big-dicks, and big-tits, just like all the pugs in Bend have.
Replying to DUNC, about this weeks letter to editor in the SORE about cops out of control in BEND...
Who do you think wrote it? What was his point??
This to me is an old story, something that goes back to perhaps 2002, when the city told the cops their #1 priority was making things pretty for tourists. Today @BB2 I talked about how Bend is disneyland, that everything in this town was a placed prop, like the flower pots downtown.
Bend cops are an un-bridled horse, what does one expect when a town is ran by whores and the almighty real estate dollar is all that matter's?? Surprised anyone that the police-captain himself got caught with his dick in the RE cookie jar??
So who wrote the letter? What is his agenda, it wasn't me dunc, cuz I know a lot about cops, just like marge I have been around cops a lot of my life.
1.) Like Blade Runner: There are cops and little people, always been that way, in just about all citys, there are no mayberrys.
2.) If you can't be a cop, marry a cop.
3.) There was no city-cops prior to 1890's they were created by corporations at the turn of the last century to break unions. Modern police are a means to protect the ruling class from the people at the people's expense. Anyone expect that the cops become cynical. So long as city-cops don't fuck with the ruling class, they're free to do as they wish.
4.) Rule #1 in cop world is to cover your ass, and make it to pension. Rule #2 is to cover other cops ass so they make it to pension. Rule #3 is to fuck everyone else.
Yes, Bend's cops are out of control, but every fucking element of the city is out-of-control; Is this news?? Why did you find this interesting?? Why did you play the game "Hey Bilbo guess what story in the SORE you might find interesting??" Did you write it?? Do you know who did??
Does anybody here agree with the story? Is it topical enough for dunc to make a subject, or only for me to guess, and add my two cents??
Now Ned Flanders before you make me angry, tell me what you think? Make a subject out of this if you find it interesting, I don't very much bash cops, and I have done it once a couple of summers ago over the god-damn $500 dog-off leash tickets, every cop in town down at the river writing the fucking tickets, all the while Knife-River tandem dump-trucks ran 50mph in the 20mph, but like the guy in the SORE said, the cops in Bend go after easy pickin's.
Sorry, Buster, I was being too coy. I was referring to HBM's post on Sauron. Thought that would set you off about anonymous and censorship and all, but you passed it off...
But since you bring it up, Who did write the letter?
The cardboard boxes is a joke I wrote it
"The cardboard boxes is a joke I wrote it"
DAMN! I was hoping that was for real.
Maybe I can find an unused pickup canopy to sleep under . . . .
or maybe one of you will let me sleep in your garage?
Yes, dunc I found HBM's sauron bullshit to be bullshit, and thus I republished my original 'hobbits' guide to bend, now I go back to my cascadian pipe.
GHood Naughen.\
I was referring to HBM's post on Sauron. Thought that would set you off
Is there anything that DOESN'T set Buster off?
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