Doesn't it seem like we're entering a sort of malaise period with this economic collapse? The biggest worry of the week, was the 1/10% of 1% of AIG's bailout is going to bonuses, so the DC scapegoating/grandstanding machine went into overdrive.
Funny that just about a year ago when I said they'd be perp-walking people out of their offices, I thought it'd be almost all real estate-based types, like Summit 1031... not Madoff. It's like this thing has turned into a roiling spectacle, like The Jerry Springer Show, everyday claiming some new victim.
I have some weeks where I don't really know what to write about because things seem to be going so irrevocably wrong. This is one of those weeks, so maybe I'll keep this short.
We are in a near-manic effort to get "credit flowing" again. Everybody says that the lack of credit is the problem, and in this de-leveraging nightmare, we have to get it going again.
And funny, but the purported solution is to borrow FROM OURSELVES (our future selves) via the government, in attempt to make us take the money, now.
It's like the governement is saying, "We will take everything you ever make, to force you to take it & spend it right now"!
Very strange. Strange because the reason it is not working is so obvious, that I can't help but think the current strategy is purposefully flawed. That this is being done on purpose to achieve some ulterior motive down the road.
The AmeriKKKan people are either, A) Credit Score depleted via default, and cannot borrow, or B) So tapped out & carrying such a heavy debt load now, that they are unable to borrrow anything else.
There's nothing left in the AmeriKKKan consumer pack mule, yet the government is piling on more with every monetary tool in its arsenal.
It's ridiculous. The government is flooding banks with money, and they are incredulous that it isn't being loaned. Of course not. The people who are showing up to borrow are the worst credit risks in The World. But the government wants them to be lent money.
Uhhhh, that is exactly how this debacle got started.
This is so blindingly obvious that I can only assume they are attempting to achieve other ends via this "stimulus". It seems a simple reallocation of wealth from future generations to the wealthy of today.
That's where most of the money is going. Most of the "stimulus" that went to AIG went to extraordinarily wealthy counterparties. Many in foreign countries.
We're making the rest of the World solvent, while bankrupting ourselves. And our kids. And their kids.
Most of the people who walk in to buy homes simply do not qualify. What did some one write in the comments? 9 out of 10?
Banks are simply returning to prudent lending standards. All else would kill them. Yet the government is trying to insist that they return the Gold Rush Days that have brought on this debacle.
We're a country at odds with itself.
I'm not sure how this will play out, but the fact that we are A) Borrowing from ourselves & our kids at a terrible rate, and B) Distributing it to the most wealthy all over the World, does not make me feel anything but sick to my stomach over this countries long term future.
Another statement I made well over a year ago was that the USA would lose it's predominant economic might on this planet, seems now a foregone conclusion.
As a segue to that, I read a little piece about how the US Debt Passed $11 trillion this week. What took GeeDub 3-4 years back in the early part of the decade, has been done in a couple of days now. We blasted through a TRILLION DOLLARS.
And it looks to get much worse before it gets better.
The dollar got crushed as a result.
Here's a good summary of what is going on with our government's attempt to rescue us (from the $11 trillion piece):
Monetary Policy Under the Bernanke Fed our monetary policy is to print massive amounts of currency in order to head off asset price deflation. Falling asset prices, combined with way too much leverage, are the chief reasons the financial system is in such deep trouble.
Over-leveraged banks have very little tangible common equity to absorb losses in the value of their assets. If asset values were allowed to fall to market clearing prices (say another 25% decline in home prices), this would mean banks’ remaining assets aren’t sufficient to pay off their liabilities. Assets = Liabilities + Equity.
As the left side of the equation falls, so must the right. Liabilities are ostensibly fixed, so a decline in assets must be matched by a decline in equity. Again, financials are ridiculously over-leveraged, which means they have very little equity cushion to absorb losses on assets.
In other words, allowing asset prices to fall will bankrupt the financial sector, leading to systemic meltdown and worldwide bank runs. To fight the fall in asset prices, Bernanke has made clear the Fed will print money at a very rapid clip in order to buy assets like Treasurys, mortgage-backed securities, asset-backed securities, etc.
The best way to track how much money is being printed by the Fed is to watch the expansion of assets on its balance sheet. (second chart above, click to enlarge) The balance sheet equation (A = L + E) applies to the Fed just like it applies to banks.
The difference is the Fed has this magical machine called a printing press which means it can manufacture its own debt in order to finance purchases of assets. The debt it manufactures are simply electronic dollars that it puts in the accounts of those from whom it buys assets.
This is not hard to grasp actually. The Fed said yesterday that it wants to buy $300 billion worth of long-term Treasurys (in addition to another $750 billion of MBS). As an example, pretend you owned some Treasury bonds that you want to sell.
Since the Fed wants to buy them, it will conjure dollars out of thin air and put them in your bank account in exchange for the Treasury securites you’re selling. As the Fed prints money to buy assets, look for total assets on its balance sheet to expand dramatically.
An Economist article published today (see links) included an estimate from Capital Economics claiming the Fed’s assets are likely to expand to $4.5 trillion. That’s an awful lot of new dollars!
As I’ve argued before, this strategy is badly flawed. The Fed thinks the economy’s problem is falling asset prices. That is wrong; the economy’s problem is too much debt, which over-inflated asset prices to being with.
The only “solution” is to let asset prices fall. Unfortunately, this will be very painful. Pumping more borrowed money into the economy via fiscal and monetary policy won’t actually stop that from happening, it will just delay the day of reckoning and make it far more painful when it arrives…
We're attempting to stop the implosion of one bubble by replacing it with another.
This just makes it feel like there will be nowhere left to hide when we finally Man Up & just let the shit hit the fan.
I'm not sure what the ultimate outcome will be, but again, my old outrageous claims of olde seem to be apropos. Remember Zimbabwe?
I think I'm also a little "down" because I'm starting to know more & more people who are being sucked into this RE debacle.
They are decent people who did not go in over their head, kept their nose to the grindstone, and didn't go on spending binges.
But the one unfortunate thing they did was buy a house in Bend in the past 3-4 years.
And again, they are not having problems paying the mortgage. But they are becoming poor at an untold rate.
These are people who have slowly but surely just worked the the American Dream as methodically as possible, working 2 jobs, kids, etc.
But they bought a $350K house that is now worth under $200K.
That slowly but surely ascending line of net worth that took 20 years to get where it was, has plummeted to Less Than Zero in 18 months.
A lifetime of work, wiped out.
And these people are understandably upset. They are 100% broke, and they went broke engaging in the most Apple-Pie & baseball American Dream transaction that there is: buying a house.
That's what you're supposed to do when you've worked all your life in this country... you buy a house.
And so they did it, and the American Dream has turned into a nightmare.
And after going through the various stages of loss, I'm seeing a lot of these people simply resign themselves to 10 years of Bad Luck, and they are simply going to Walk Away, and Not Pay.
They have the money, mind you. But they are not going to throw 2-3X what it costs to rent each month for the priviledge of losing $2,000 per week. They're just walking away from their White Elephant.
Walk Away, Don't Pay.
Yet another prediction that seems to be coming true in spades today, that seemed ridiculous just 12 months ago.
And here's the reason:
Marge said...
The RE optomists quoted last month are from Mars:
March 09 sales to date
13 Sold @ $221k med
March 08 to date
47 Sold @284k med
I see that the steam building up in the market is just hot air.
Kinda like Dorn making a deal a day. This is just brutal. Not even 1 house per day is selling. We're starting to get to numbers that are so low volume-wise, that we're going to have to combine 2 or 3 months to get medians that even are meaningful.
My response to marge:
Wow, 70% REO & shorts.
So, the traditional 6% on those sales is $172,380, for about 17 days or $10,140 per day for brokers.
For 1,500 brokers (?), that's $6.76 per day.
Gross profit. Net might be a few bucks less.
HELLO iSKY!
The Realtor profession is going away in Bend. There is going to be a skeleton crew left when this is over. Gardner, DuBois, and a few others.
And even these people will be starving. RE will never return to it's Glory Hole Years.
But luckily we have the Doctrine of Bend Exceptionalism that will keep these people feeding this beast until it collapses of it's own weight.
Ahhhh yes. There is just no Good News in me this week folks. No bloodlust for the devouring of The Stupid, no outrage over bonuses, no disgust over our governments incompetence.
Just a general hazy malaise & despair that we are doing everything wrong. Just the unfortunate idea that as a country, as a state, as a town, and as people living in our neighborhoods with friends who are being steamrolled by this thing, that our futures are, at this very moment, being destroyed. And the same goes for our kids.
I'll end with a piece from The Bully:
The Great Depression
How they lived, what they learned — and what they say about today’s tough times
By Erin Golden / The Bulletin
Published: March 22. 2009 4:00AM PST
Vadabell Brumblay has always been careful with her money.
At 88, the Bend woman lives comfortably in the same home she’s had for decades, but she doesn’t take anything for granted.
She makes her grocery lists only after scouring the week’s advertisements and circling the best deals with a felt-tipped pen.
In a notebook, she carefully records each purchase she makes and charts all the bills she’ll need to pay during the month.
They’re the kind of habits that come from growing up in the midst of the Great Depression, a time when Brumblay watched her parents lose everything they had in a bank collapse and then rebuild their lives with the help of a small dairy business — a venture they eventually had to quit because so many people in Bend fell on hard times and couldn’t afford to pay for milk.
“You didn’t have much, but neither did anybody else,” she said. These days, with the economy in a slump and people around the country grappling with unemployment, plunging stock prices and higher living expenses, the Depression has made its way back into the news and dinner table conversations with some people wondering how it compares with today’s economy.
For the most part, Brumblay — and other Central Oregonians who lived through the period — say we’re not in a crisis like the one that swept through the country in the 1930s. But as government officials and families make tough decisions about doing more with less, they say the lessons they learned from surviving those times have become more relevant than ever.
A tough time In Central Oregon, as in other parts of the country, the Depression began in late 1929 and continued at least in part until the U.S. became financially involved in World War II more than a decade later, said Daniel Pope, a history professor at the University of Oregon who teaches a class on the subject.
At the time, many people in Bend and other cities in the region were involved in agriculture or the timber industry, including Rosanna Duberow, 86, of Bend, who lived with her parents and four brothers and sisters in a Shevlin-Hixon logging camp about 13 miles south of Bend.
For much of the Depression, Duberow’s father was able to keep steady work, but she remembers a few months when the company stopped cutting timber. Because he had a large family, Duberow’s father was given some money for taking care of company livestock, but it wasn’t always enough.
In town at Erickson’s grocery store, they let people charge groceries, and Mother had a huge grocery bill by the time (the loggers) were working again,” she said. “I know each month, she’d take so much extra to go pay that bill, and Mr. Erickson said when she finally did pay the last bit, ‘You wouldn’t believe, you’re one of the very few to even try to pay that bill.’”
Brumblay, who also lived in Bend for much of the Depression, remembers similar stories about people who were unable to afford food for their families and had to depend on credit from the grocery store owner.
“He eventually would take their homes,” she said. “They’d owe him so much, he’d have them sign their homes over. And the talk was that he owned half of Bend.” Brumblay’s family avoided falling into serious financial trouble, but it wasn’t always easy.
In the late 1920s, the family was living on a ranch near Tumalo when Brumblay’s parents decided to sell nearly everything they owned and move into a house in Bend, where Brumblay’s father worked at a mill. Shortly after they sold it all — the house, the cattle, even a player piano — the bank where they’d put all their money collapsed.
“My mother had a dollar and a little bit of change in her purse, and that was it,” Brumblay said. “They still had all their bills, and they had just sold all their assets.”
Brumblay’s parents got back on their feet with the help of a friend who was living with the family and had invested his money in a different bank. Her father kept working at the mill, but he had to compete with many other men who were also looking for jobs.
“I remember he would go down to the mill in the morning and take his lunch, and if there was work, he’d stay, and if there wasn’t, he’d come home again,” she said. “Then he’d go back at noon, because maybe there would be a half-day’s work.”
To supplement his income, Brumblay’s father purchased some cows and started a dairy business. Several days a week, her mother would pull down the seats in the family car and load it up with bottles of milk, which Brumblay would carry up to people’s doorsteps.
But as the Depression wore on, the business slowed down. Brumblay said she remembers going to houses where she knew the families had fallen on hard times and couldn’t afford to pay. For a while, her parents tried to help, but eventually it got to be too big of a burden.
“The problem was, Dad had to buy hay and grain, and some of the people weren’t able to pay for their milk, and we couldn’t afford to give it to them, so (my parents) eventually quit that,” she said. “And how can you refuse to take milk to families that have kids?”
Without savings or job prospects, some people in the area resorted to begging for food or work.
Cora Houston, 100, of Prineville, spent some of the Depression working as a teacher at the Bear Creek School, near Paulina.
In the most rural parts of Crook County, she said, many families were able to get by because they’d raise and grow their own food.
But when she’d travel back to Prineville to visit her mother — who lived in the same house Houston now calls home — she saw many people in need. “People came to the door asking for food, several times, right here,” she said.
Lessons learned Though many people have been hit hard by the current downturn, Pope, the history professor, said it’s not quite on the same magnitude of what happened in the 1930s.
“I think people are talking about it as a potential depression, but I don’t think we’re there yet, and I don’t think most people would claim we’re there yet,” he said. Some of the locals who lived through the earlier downturn agreed, saying the pain doesn’t seem to be quite as deep — or widespread — as it was when they were young people.
Art Welch, 90, of Prineville, said he volunteers at a local food bank and has seen an uptick in the number of people looking for help, but he doesn’t think the economic situation has reached a crisis point.
“As far as it being a depression? Not yet,” he said. Welch, who was born and raised in New York City, came to Prineville at 17 as a member of the Civilian Conservation Corps, a work program for young men that was organized by the federal government.
He and dozens of other men stayed in barracks-style lodging and worked on a variety of projects, from cutting down trees to building houses for U.S. Forest Service staff. In his time with the CCC, Welch made between $30 and $45 per month, though most of it was sent back to his family in New York.
With housing and meals taken care of, Welch said, the program provided a big boost to young men like himself who might have otherwise found themselves out of work and on the bread lines, waiting for a free meal from a charity group.. Welch said he thinks a similar program could be the answer to some of the current unemployment problems. “
They put the people back to work, and that’s just about what’s going to have to be done here this time,” he said. Others who remember the Depression said they worry that people today might not have the tools to stay on track if the economy gets worse.
Georgia Gallagher, 87, of Sisters, lived on a ranch two miles outside of Sisters during the Depression. She said her family got by in part because her mother was skilled at sewing, cooking and other tasks — and knew how to make a little go a long way.
“People are quite a bit different now, been used to not doing any of those things. ... I think people would have a harder time now because they don’t know how to can, they don’t know how to sew, they don’t know how to economize,” Gallagher said.
“So many of them are losing their homes, and there’s no place to live that is really inexpensive now, so it’s real hard on those people.” But some of the local Depression survivors said they think people dealing with the current downturn should follow some of the habits of people who grew up in the 1930s.
Gallagher said she canned food every year up until very recently, and Duberow said she and her husband still maintain a large garden, growing all of their own vegetables and some fruit.
Houston said she believes many people fall into trouble because they spend far more than they actually have in the bank.
Houston said she’s had just one credit card in her life, and she used it for a single purchase — $60 for a hotel room on a vacation to the Oregon Coast. Saving, rather than spending, she said, is the way to stay secure, even when the economy takes a turn.
“I would say definitely to build up a savings account if possible; even if you only had $5 a year to put in, try to have a savings account,” she said. Brumblay said she remembers a popular Depression-era saying that’s still as relevant as ever: “Make it over, wear it out, make it do, or do without.”
Though she said it’s hard to tell when the economy will make a recovery, Brumblay said the simple choices we make can go a long way in tough times. “First there’s wants and then there’s needs, and you have to learn to separate the two,” she said.
Sunday, March 22, 2009
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We may have less than 10% vacancy rate, but for the first time I'm having tourists comment on how slow downtown looks and feels....
UPDATED LIST;
NEW BUSINESS'S DOWNTOWN
Bella Moda
High Desert Gallery (Bend)
Joolz
Zydeco
900 Wall
Great Outdoor Store
Luxe Home Interiors
Powell's Candy
Dudley's Used Books and Coffee
Goldsmith
Game Domain
Subway Sandwiches
Bend Burger Company
Showcase Hats
Pita Pit
Happy Nails
BUSINESS'S LEAVING
Blue Moon Marketplace
Plenty
Maragas Wine Tasting Room, (Bend location.)
Downtown Doggie
Santee Alley
Bistro Corlise
Made in Hawaii
EnVogue
Stewart Weinmann (leather)
Kebanu Gallery
Pella Doors and Windows
Olive company
Pink Frog
Little Italy
Deep
Merenda's
Volo
Pomegranate (downtown branch)
Norwalk
Pronghorn Real Estate office.
Speedshop Deli
Paper Place
Bluefish Bistro
I am also noticing that downtown is extremely slow. Went to Old Mill yesterday... DEAD. Starting to realize that MOST of the cars parked there are workers.
We're going to see some high-profile closings there.
I always like to notice THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE WORKING...
At McDonalds yesterday, and far more busy than the restaurant, was the RedBox DVD machine. $1 overnight rentals on a fairly limited set of titles, all automated. Vending machine approach.
There was a line the whole time I ate.
>> U.S. immigrant detentions violate human rights: report
Most U.S. citizens probably won't care.
In fact, with a shortage of jobs they're probably glad for anything that would keep immigrants out.
A true libertarian (conservative) would allow for free migration across borders.
That doesn't mean break down of the rule of law. Just that people can migrate to wherever the jobs are.
Of course this will never happen -- but if you take the libertarian (or anarchist) philosophy seriously, this is what you'd get.
AmeriKKKa is/was a nation of 'immigrants', the world is watching, we have the most of OUR OWN CITIZENS imprisoned compared to the entire world, and 'immigrants' are imprisoned FOREVER with NO-RIGHTS.
The world is watching. The MYTHOLOGY of ameriKKKa being a nation of IMMIGRANTS, and that amerkiKKKa being a nation of FREEDDOM is a MYTH that only those in the US prison believe.
But back to your point "THOSE OUTSIDE OF PRISON, DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE WITHIN"
We'll there's an old nazi story called "SPEAK UP", "first they came for my neighbor, and I didn't speak-up, then they came for ME, and there was nobody left to speak-up."
BEND POLICE ARE IN CONTROL, NOT OUT OF CONTROL!!
Bend Police have been running their own Real Estate business for years, and it only most recently got shutdown.
In Town proper Bend Cops never get busted for anything, because PIG's don't enforce the law on fellow PIG's.
Everyone once in awhile a BEND-PIG is caught where he doesn't have a 'get out of jail free card', and get's busted. ( Santiam speeding & failure-to-stop, Walla-Walla (DUI&failure to stop).
Bend Cops are VERY much in "CONTROL", and are NOT out of control.
Well certainly Lundgren can 'monetize' Metolius, he certainly spent the money, spent about $200k in the last election on buying virtually every politician in the State of Orygun.
Not clear that I would say that Bauhofer monetized tetherow as he sunk a ton of OPM into that area of burn down trees and scrub. Tetherow is more like a boat "A hole in the water in toss money into", or a plane "Bore holes in the sky, for $500/hr".
Homer I think is most correct, that its like saying we should 'monetize' Yosemite, but isn't that the entire theory of 'WISE USE', the trouble of course is that besides the environmental loss of the treasure, is that only LUNDGREN & Partners ( SORE, BULL, ... ) get the MONEY.
You got to give LUNDGREN credit, in this climate, an economic depression, to be banging on the table and investing MILLIONS of OPM in order to develop Metolius, given that nothing is going on.
On this note has anybody driven through Sisters lately?? ( Lundgren Country ) Uglier than fuck on the side streets 100's of empty tiny retail fronts, and 1,000's of 1bd 'cabins' that all look the same, and appear to have been built for a 3yr shelf-life. That place is really fucking BEND-BUTT UGLY.
Lundgren & Co own dozen's of property's within 10mi radius of Metolius basin, me thinks that he's going to make a deal by going after the crown-jewel the politicians that he paid off will throw him a bone by letting him develop a few miles West on his other property's, given that NOBODY can build a super-STD in Metolius, but he'll end up with 1/2 dozen of the closest resorts, it will all be good.
Now that Lundgren by playing the environmentalists like a 'fiddle' can 'swap' his plans for another property, and get approval he'll be able to market the project by its closeness to the 'sacred metolius'.
Lastly, lets all be honest here for the past 100+ years the MOST ELITE familys of Salem & Bend, have always had cabins on the Metolius River, and the place has always been ran as a private club on national forest property.
The future will be just like the past.
Too bad there aren't MORE nice places around this area, but sadly there is not. It's all about water, clean water, and really there is very little.
I have spent a ton of time staying in Metolius at the cabins, but honestly the weather there is like PDX, rain & clouds most of the time. It's our little 'garden of eden' in the central-orygun desert.
Bend - BULLETIN & SORE to be 'TAX EXEMPT'.... Who could have guessed??
U.S. bill seeks to rescue faltering newspapers
Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:05pm EDT
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With many U.S. newspapers struggling to survive, a Democratic senator on Tuesday introduced a bill to help them by allowing newspaper companies to restructure as nonprofits with a variety of tax breaks.
"This may not be the optimal choice for some major newspapers or corporate media chains but it should be an option for many newspapers that are struggling to stay afloat," said Senator Benjamin Cardin.
A Cardin spokesman said the bill had yet to attract any co-sponsors, but had sparked plenty of interest within the media, which has seen plunging revenues and many journalist layoffs.
Cardin's Newspaper Revitalization Act would allow newspapers to operate as nonprofits for educational purposes under the U.S. tax code, giving them a similar status to public broadcasting companies.
Under this arrangement, newspapers would still be free to report on all issues, including political campaigns. But they would be prohibited from making political endorsements.
Advertising and subscription revenue would be tax exempt, and contributions to support news coverage or operations could be tax deductible.
Because newspaper profits have been falling in recent years, "no substantial loss of federal revenue" was expected under the legislation, Cardin's office said in a statement.
Cardin's office said his bill was aimed at preserving local and community newspapers, not conglomerates which may also own radio and TV stations. His bill would also let a non-profit buy newspapers owned by a conglomerate.
"We are losing our newspaper industry," Cardin said. "The economy has caused an immediate problem, but the business model for newspapers, based on circulation and advertising revenue, is broken, and that is a real tragedy for communities across the nation and for our democracy.
Newspaper subscriptions and advertising have shrunk dramatically in the past few years as Americans have turned more and more to the Internet or television for information.
In recent months, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the Rocky Mountain News, the Baltimore Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle have ceased daily publication or announced that they may have to stop publishing.
In December the Tribune Company, which owns a number of newspapers including The Baltimore Sun, The Chicago Tribune and The Los Angeles Times filed for bankruptcy protection.
Two newspaper chains, Gannett Co Inc and Advance Publications, on Monday announced employee furloughs. It will be the second furlough this year at Gannett.
I love Bend, the BULL will now have to pay NO property tax on ALL their fucking land they got for free, while they weather the storm, this way they can wait out the BUST years, while they await the good years.
Once somebody is labelled 'non profit' they pay no taxes, of any kind, just like churches.
That's why here in BEND, some of the best land around the city is all covered by parking lots and mega-churches, they buy the stuff cheap and sit on it tax-free for years, and then make a bundle.
I love Bend.
The baby-jeebus and the Bend BUlletin are now religious icons. Does this make COSTA a 'saint'???
Costa is no saint, but HBM is now a 'deity'.
God bless the pussy, I knew when he said he would leave us, that his absence would be short, welcome back Pussy.
As folks can see here, without the Pussy & HBM this site goes right wing, even so called 'dunc' ned flanders the DEM is a machiavillian.
FINALLY the BIG NEWS of the day, we know that NOBODY in the USA has the BALL's to tell EMPEROR OREO he has no clothes, well TODAY the PRESIDENT of the EU said that the USA is FUCKED!!!!!!!!
EU President Calls US Economic Plans a 'Road to Hell'
By Lisa Bryant
Paris
25 March 2009
The European Union's Czech presidency sharply criticized Washington's efforts to combat the financial crisis a week before world economic powers are meeting to discuss the issue in London. The remarks come amid worries a separate political crisis in the Czech Republic may undermine its EU leadership.
Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, 25 Mar 2009
Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, 25 Mar 2009
The criticism of the Obama administration's economic-stimulus plan came from Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek who said the U.S. spending measures, including bank bailouts, would undermine the stability of the global financial market. He called U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession "a road to hell."
EU President Calls US Economic Plans a 'Road to Hell'
By Lisa Bryant
Paris
25 March 2009
The European Union's Czech presidency sharply criticized Washington's efforts to combat the financial crisis a week before world economic powers are meeting to discuss the issue in London. The remarks come amid worries a separate political crisis in the Czech Republic may undermine its EU leadership.
The criticism of the Obama administration's economic-stimulus plan came from Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek who said the U.S. spending measures, including bank bailouts, would undermine the stability of the global financial market. He called U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession "a road to hell."
Mr. Topolanek spoke at the European parliament in the French city of Strasbourg, just a week before leaders of the G20 group of top economies meet in London to discuss ways to tackle the global crisis.
Europe and the United States have been at odds over ways to deal with the economic downturn, with Washington pushing the 27-nation European Union to spend more to fight it. But Mr. Topolanek's criticism is particularly sharp, and it has added weight since the Czech Republic is the EU president until the end of June.
Meanwhile, Mr. Topolanek's government faces an uncertain future after it lost a no-confidence vote Tuesday. Mr. Topolanek says he will offer to resign. But he told European lawmakers Czech domestic politics would not affect its EU presidency.
"The sad fact is that the opposition Social Democrats undermined the presidency, but I hope that the presidency will be complete successfully," said Topolanek.
Czech Republic's PM Mirek Topolanek, left, and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso in Brussels, 19 Mar 2009
Czech Republic's PM Mirek Topolanek, left, and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso in Brussels, 19 Mar 2009
The head of the bloc's executive arm, European Commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, also expressed confidence the Czech presidency would be successful. But he warned Czech politicians not to let their internal divisions undermine efforts to reform the European Union through a key document known as the Lisbon treaty.
"I would like to urge all political leaders not to use this political crisis in a way to put the Lisbon Treaty as a hostage of domestic problems," he said. "This would not be fair to other countries in Europe. Any suggestions to change [the treaty], not to respect the treaty is of course unacceptable."
The Czech Republic is among the few EU countries that has yet to ratify the treaty. Czech lawmakers have postponed voting on the treaty several times, and Czech President Vaclav Havel, who holds a largely ceremonial role, adamantly opposes it.
"All of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the road to hell," Mr. Topolanek said. "We need to read the history books and the lessons of history and the biggest success of the [EU] is the refusal to go this way."
"Americans will need liquidity to finance all their measures and they will balance this with the sale of their bonds but this will undermine the liquidity of the global financial market," Mr. Topolanek said.
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So fucking true OREO/GEITHNER don't give a FUCK, cuz they can just PRINT MORE PAPER, but those holding the fucking paper get are fucked.
Expect to see MORE outrage world-wide over making US PAPER 'INVESTMENTS' WORTHLESS.
Interesting developments. China says maybe new world currency. Geithner says, essentially, "oh how interesting." Massive snub. This is actually well-played by him. First time he did anything I've liked.
Marge,
I don't know how busy you are these days so I hate to keep asking for stats, but you seem to be the only one with the info.
I am curious about the few sales that we are having that are not short and not REO. For these properties, when were they last sold, and what % of the old price is the new price? I'm wondering what the cutoff is these days for getting out without the bank involved.
I would suspect that some people that put some money down in fall 05 could still get out, but not if you bought after that. If you have the time, let us know.
hbm, finally saw what all the hub-bub was about.
You & TSWeekly should be awful proud of the journalistic service you provide by airing those 36MMM's.
Although, I'll say that chick on the cover is a hottie.
The criticism of the Obama administration's economic-stimulus plan came from Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek
Not exactly a paragon of financial expertise.
But at this time the 'acting' President of the EU, a post that changes ... It's interesting had he sad something good about the devil (USA) the US press would have called him the EU prez, but because he dissed the devil he's only a 'czech prime minister'...
Recall this KUNTS this man knows a commie when he see's one, they been there did that, this is a wake up call.
Geithner conjoined twin with El-Diablo promises a scorched earth, if earth leave the dollar for other paper, ... "who would have guessed"....
US Vows To Sustain Dollar's Dominance
Washington Post - 1 hour ago
By Tomoeh Murakami Tse NEW YORK, March 25 -- Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said Wednesday that the United States would do whatever it takes to make sure the dollar would remain the world's dominant reserve currency, clarifying comments he had
Homer,
Hotter than Ashley with the 38mmm's in OUR SORE, is the 'tiny tina' aka java-elements little 'financee'.
The best part of the SORE is the comments on HBM's sore eye, now concurs that OREO is a worthless sack of shit, but now he's falling back to the old Somoza line "OREO is a shit, but he be DEM shit, and thus 1000x better than BUSH-SHIT", ...
I say SHIT is SHIT.
PoP,
Here is some info, I don't care to do all the math on it, so it's yours. This is just March sales.
sold 5/05 for $176, listed 12/08 for $176k, sold 3/09 for $132
Sold 8/08 for $259k, sold 3/09 for $169
Sold 12/06 for $379k, sold 3/09 for $195k
Sold 1999 for $169k Listed for $476 in 2/07, sold 3/09 for $243k
Sold for $247 in 7/07, sold 3/09 $250k
Sold $296 8/05, sold $288k 3/09
Sold $265k 2/05, sold 3/09 for $290
Sold 8/06 for $351k, SOld 3/09 for $290k
Listed 3/07 for $523, sold 3/09 for $300k
Sold 8/05 for $350k, sold 3/09 for $313
Sold 8/02 for $265, Sold 3/09 for $325
Listed 3/08 for $799, sold 3/09 for $400k
Listed 9/07 for $683, sold 3/09 for $425
Sold 4/07 for $500k, sold 3/09 for $440k
There were 5 other sales that I couldn't get the correct info on.
Tim,
If you think Geithner has ball's, then you really are a fucking pussy idiot.
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China and the Dollar
Markets don't like Treasury talking down the dollar's status.
WSJ March 25, 2009
As if the dollar didn't have enough problems, Timothy Geithner took China's bait yesterday and said he was "quite open" to its suggestion this week to displace the greenback with an "international reserve currency." The dollar promptly fell and stocks followed, before the Treasury Secretary re-emerged to say "the dollar remains the world's dominant reserve currency. I think that's likely to continue for a long time."
[Review & Outlook] AP
Mr. Geithner is learning on the job, and yesterday's lesson is that it isn't smart to fool with currency markets when you are already tempting fate with a gigantic U.S. reflation. Treasury and the Federal Reserve are flooding the world with dollars to break the recession, and the world is rightly getting nervous. The solution floated by Chinese central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan -- an increased role for the International Monetary Fund -- isn't desirable. But his warning about the dangers of dollar weakness and exchange-rate instability is still worth heeding.
Since the collapse of Bretton Woods in 1971, the global economy has tried to function with floating exchange rates, in which the "market" is said to set currency prices. As the world discovered in the 1970s and the Bush Treasury forgot, however, the market for currencies isn't the same as for apples or copper. Central banks control the supply of currencies through their monopoly on money creation. Often, as at the Alan Greenspan-Ben Bernanke-Donald Kohn Federal Reserve this decade, they get policy wrong, with disastrous consequences. Amid the global economic downturn, some central banks, like Vietnam's, are also turning to currency devaluation for a trade advantage.
Mr. Zhou may want to head off this potential train wreck. On Monday he proposed an international reserve currency "anchored to a stable benchmark and issued according to a clear set of rules." He wants the supply of money to allow for "timely adjustment" to "changing demand," and those adjustments to be "disconnected from economic conditions and sovereign interests of any single country." And he thinks the IMF can create a global currency by expanding the use of its already-existing Special Drawing Rights (SDRs), a synthetic currency linked to the underlying currencies of IMF states.
Yet who would determine the "right price" of the SDR -- the IMF? The multilateral institution's economic prescriptions have sent numerous nations into tailspins, particularly in Asia. There's nothing to say, too, that national monetary authorities wouldn't cheat and adjust their domestic money supplies as they saw fit -- or apply political pressure on the IMF to change the SDR's currency weightings in their favor.
But the main problem with the SDR is that it can't be used for anything in the real world. When the IMF allocates SDRs, recipient countries exchange them for local currencies at local central banks. That money is then used to buy real assets and facilitate trade. That exchange inflates the money supply of the domestic country that's accepting the SDRs in exchange for local currency.
There isn't consensus within China's central bank on the idea of empowering the IMF, though Beijing is eager to have more say at the institution. Hu Xiaolian, a vice governor of the bank, said Monday that "investing in U.S. Treasury bonds is an important component of China's foreign currency reserve investments." She added: "We are naturally relatively concerned with the safety and profitability of U.S. government bonds."
Ms. Hu isn't alone, and we only wish the Treasury, the White House and the Fed were equally as concerned. The dollar's status as a reserve currency gives the U.S. enormous advantages, and it should be protected ferociously by our public officials. It means we don't have to repay our debts in foreign currency and that our borrowing costs are cheaper. To the extent that the rest of the world follows a dollar standard, it also gives us far greater global sway.
It is this influence that Russia, China and others sometimes resent and would like to see displaced. The problem is that there really isn't an obvious successor to the dollar. No other economy is large enough, with deep enough capital markets. The euro might become an alternative down the road, but it remains too new and lacks the necessary underpinning of political cohesion.
Yet Mr. Zhou's demarche is also a warning that reserve currency status carries special obligations. It means the U.S. isn't conducting monetary policy only for itself but for much of the world. And it means that when the U.S. falls for the temptation to debase its currency, it sends shocks through the entire global trading system. The dollar's sharp but needless gyrations during this decade are in our view one of the major causes of the housing and commodity asset bubbles that led to the financial panic and global recession.
If Mr. Geithner meant yesterday that he is "open" to broader monetary and exchange-rate cooperation, that could be a step forward. But instead of abdicating to IMF bureaucrats, this would mean working with the world's most important governments and central banks -- for starters, the Fed, ECB, and the Banks of England, Japan and China. The world could use monetary reform, but the goal should be to reduce currency fluctuations and enhance price stability and world trade. In the meantime, the dollar's special status is an asset worth preserving.
"Mr. Zhou's demarche is also a warning that reserve currency status carries special obligations. It means the U.S. isn't conducting monetary policy only for itself but for much of the world. And it means that when the U.S. falls for the temptation to debase its currency, it sends shocks through the entire global trading system. The dollar's sharp but needless gyrations during this decade are in our view one of the major causes of the housing and commodity asset bubbles that led to the financial panic and global recession."
Sold $265k 2/05, sold 3/09 for $290
Strange. Hell of a wait for $25K.
So Buster is quoting Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek?
What, because he's willing to say something bad about the U.S.?
Gimme a break. Are you reading the news at all? Here, I'll help:
Crisis Hits Czech Republic
Vidya Ram , 03.25.09, 10:30 AM EDT
But market generally shrugs off the collapse of the country's government.
The global financial crisis has claimed its third political victim in Eastern Europe, with the collapse of the Czech Republic government. Though the market reaction was tepid -- the government's hold had always been tenuous -- it reflects how deeply the downturn has affected the region.
Mirek Topolanek, the prime minister of the Czech Republic, will remain as head of a caretaker government until a replacement can be found, after losing the no confidence vote. Though he's pledged it wont disrupt the country's presidency of the European Union, it's highly embarrassing, particularly as it coincides with President Barack Obama's trip to Europe next month.
So Buster, now do you understand why he's mouthing off about us?
It's HIS country that's fucked. HE is to blame. He's looking for scapegoats.
"Czech" mate.
It's HIS country that's fucked. HE is to blame. He's looking for scapegoats.
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I completely agree the USA has always been a NAZI death camp, and this week we're blaming Mexico on our Fascism.
Sold $265k 2/05, sold 3/09 for $290
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They probably put $100k+ into the bitch.
Topolanek is the current EU president, which is what he is, and what he say's matters.
March 25, 2009
EU president takes on Obama's economic plan
Posted: 03:00 PM ET
From CNN's Sarah Parker
The European Union's current president Mirek Topolanek went head-to-head with Washington over the global economic crisis Wednesday.
The European Union's current president Mirek Topolanek went head-to-head with Washington over the global economic crisis Wednesday.
(CNN) - The European Union president went head-to-head with Washington over the global economic crisis Wednesday, condemning President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan as "a way to hell."
The comments came as the prime minister of the Czech Republic and current holder of the EU presidency Mirek Topolanek addressed the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France. The Czech PM blasted the "Buy America" campaign and growing US budget deficit, saying "all of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the way to hell."
Hey right-wing PUG dickhead ..
Funny…I thought that one of the main reasons for an Obama presidency was that we would "listen" to our partners? Now that they're not agreeing with us all of a sudden they're not imporant.
Republicans who do not agree with the President OREO should remember:
"America, love it or leave it…"
Call the EU prez a czech prime minister, is like calling the OREO a chicago senator, that was so yesterday.
For those of you that couldnt be bothered reading,the Czech republic has become a very prosperous country since being released from the shackles of comunism some 20 years ago.
The man is spot on in his analysis.When the republicans say its wrong,they obstructionists and unpatriotic.
When a foreigner says it,they dont know what they're talking about.
Sooner or later you're going to find out that everyone else was right.
It seems libs and Dems have lost their minds like Obambi. It is not only President of EU criticizing Obambi. Chavez called Obambi ignoramus, Prime Minister of China called Obambi irresponsible. Putin called Obambi weak after sending Russia a secret love letter. I mean, it can't get any better than this! More to come, world leaders would be reaming Obambi a brand new hubcap, shiny like slver. This is what happens when libs and democraps can't think for themselves, when they do not use what God had given them
The United States is on a path that will eventually enslave us to higher inflation and higher interest rates. We will then turn inward to fix our problems after giving China ownership of many of our major assets (bought with our money). We then become marginalized while the rest of the world finally overcomes the disaster we put on them.
This guy knows this because he grew up in a socialist/communist environment. Go ahead and dis this guy, puff out your proud American chest, and think we can't fail because we're AMERICA. But remember…every great civilization eventually implodes. Watch the nightly news and remember….you were there.
Harney County hits 'Depression-era' joblessness
Posted: March 25, 2009 06:33 PM
As more big plants shut, Burns struggles to survive
By Jennifer Burns, KTVZ.COM
BURNS - New unemployment stats came out this week for Harney County, and they say more than one in five people living here is out of work.
One county leader calls it Depression-era stats.
What was once the site of Harney County's powerhouse employers is now just vacant buildings.
Hines-based Louisiana Pacific employed over 1,100 people. Those jobs were lost in October of 2007.
Unemployment then hit over 10 percent.
Early this month, another large employer, Monaco Coach, pink-slipped all of its employees.
Hilda Allison was one of 123 to get a letter on very short notice.
"We were notified by mail we were no longer employed by March 2," she said Wednesday.
That sent the county's unemployment rate to a whopping 20.5 percent.
"Our community is treading water," Harney County Judge Steve Grasty told me Wednesday.
Allison's husband is seeing the trickle-down effect hit his small company.
"It's a snowball," she said. "We're seeing a slowdown in business."
The job cuts likely won't end there.
On June 30, funds for the Eastern Oregon Juvenile Detention Center could run out.
Another 51 people may be out of work if the state no longer funds the facility.
Allison said, "It would be catastrophic to ur community."
County leaders are working on solutions. They are in talks over a $250 million biomass plant, or a wind farm.
Even though these projects could create up to 100 jobs during construction, the county is facing hurdles to get them approved.
"Special interest groups make it difficult to make it happen, but we need opportunity if this community is going to survive," Grasty said.
Harney County hits 'Depression-era' joblessness
Some strange ironies about this piece:
1) Crook County has higher unemployment (20.7%), and is closer than Harney.
2) This piece quotes the UNADJUSTED UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, which is something NEVER QUOTED for the tri-county area.
Maybe that explains why they did not highlight the 20.7% rate in Crook County... too close to home, and pretty soon they'd have to actually acknowledge the 16.1% unemployment rate in Bend. Which won't happen.
Drove by Shepherds House yesterday. Packed.
And it appears that KTVZ thought the "ECONOMY IN CRISIS" button (for linking straight to generally poor economic stories) was too harsh & hopeless, and has now renamed it "RECESSION TO RECOVERY".
This is Bend.
The moment the US dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, the American economy will no longer be able to pay its debts with money it prints in its basement... The jig will up.
Meatloaf will take the place of Camembert on many a formerly festive board from that day out.
Bend cops will once again be collecting goose shit at Drake Park, and bends best people will be left with the dog shit.
Re: The United States is on a path that will eventually enslave us to higher inflation and higher interest rates.
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Higher interest rates? They are effectively zero right now, so where else they going to go.
The whole world sees the inflation coming. Bush started it and Obama is continuing it, with the earnest assistance of the Fed. You can't print trillions of dollars in a deflationary environment and not get inflation. But then that's always the plan when the national debt gets too large. China is in the unfortunate position of having so many assets they can't just dump all the T-bills. They could buy a few hundred thousand STD's and rent them out...
Hernando De Soto in the WSJ say's ...
"Today's global crisis -- a loss on paper of more than $50 trillion in stocks, real estate, commodities and operational earnings within 15 months -- cannot be explained only by the default on a meager 7% of subprime mortgages (worth probably no more than $1 trillion) that triggered it. The real villain is the lack of trust in the paper on which they -- and all other assets -- are printed. If we don't restore trust in paper, the next default -- on credit cards or student loans -- will trigger another collapse in paper and bring the world economy to its knees.
If you think about it, everything of value we own travels on property paper. At the beginning of the decade there was about $100 trillion worth of property paper representing tangible goods such as land, buildings, and patents world-wide, and some $170 trillion representing ownership over such semiliquid assets as mortgages, stocks and bonds. Since then, however, aggressive financiers have manufactured what the Bank for International Settlements estimates to be $1 quadrillion worth of new derivatives (mortgage-backed securities, collateralized debt obligations, and credit default swaps) that have flooded the market.
These derivatives are the root of the credit crunch. Why? Unlike all other property paper, derivatives are not required by law to be recorded, continually tracked and tied to the assets they represent. Nobody knows precisely how many there are, where they are, and who is finally accountable for them. Thus, there is widespread fear that potential borrowers and recipients of capital with too many nonperforming derivatives will be unable to repay their loans. As trust in property paper breaks down it sets off a chain reaction, paralyzing credit and investment, which shrinks transactions and leads to a catastrophic drop in employment and in the value of everyone's property."
Gottschalk's could set the record for a huge local flameout. They are shopping their lease on their new mausoleum here according to the BULL.
The 'Suicide of the American People"
The American Black Hole of Value
March 25, 2009, 4:40PM
Martin Wolf, chief economist of the Financial Times is worried about the Geithner plan, he writes:
The crisis has broken the American social contract: people were free to succeed and to fail, unassisted. Now, in the name of systemic risk, bail-outs have poured staggering sums into the failed institutions that brought the economy down. (...) If this scheme works, a number of the fund managers are going to make vast returns. I fear this is going to convince ordinary Americans that their government is a racket run for the benefit of Wall Street. Now imagine what happens if, after "stress tests" of the country's biggest banks are completed, the government concludes - surprise, surprise! - that it needs to provide more capital. How will it persuade Congress to pay up? The danger is that this scheme will, at best, achieve something not particularly important - making past loans more liquid - at the cost of making harder something that is essential - recapitalising banks.
Nobel Prize winner, Joseph Stiglitz, was blunt:
"Quite frankly, this amounts to robbery of the American people. I don't think it's going to work because I think there'll be a lot of anger about putting the losses so much on the shoulder of the American taxpayer."
And of course that other Nobel, Krugman, blogged:
"What an awful mess."
In my opinion there was something much more important than Geithner's plan floated this week:
Are the Chinese just worried about the sagging value of the $1.4 trillion in U.S. Treasuries they hold or are they really on to something? That's the big question now that China's central banker, Zhou Xiaochuan, has called for the greenback to be jettisoned as the world's dominant currency and replaced by a new type of benchmark controlled by the International Monetary Fund. Zhou made his call in an essay that appeared on the website of People's Bank of China, China's central bank, on Monday. It was clearly timed to make a splash in the run-up to the G20 meeting that starts in London on April 2. Calling the use of the dollar as the world's benchmark currency "a rare special case in history," Zhou urged the "creative reform of the existing international monetary system towards an international reserve currency." Zhou said the reserve currency, managed by the IMF, should be "disconnected from individual nations and is able to remain stable in the long run." Talk about a vote of no confidence on the future of the U.S. economy! Washington Post
Of course the moment the US dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, the American economy will no longer be able to pay its debts with money it prints in its basement... The jig will up. Meatloaf will take the place of Camembert on many a formerly festive board from that day out.
Pushing aside all the epidemically anecdotal sound and fury, what has happened?
One of the world's most interesting and influential, even seminal, economists, the Peruvian, Hernando de Soto wrote the following article in the Wall Street Journal that gets right to the heart of the present situation:
Today's global crisis -- a loss on paper of more than $50 trillion in stocks, real estate, commodities and operational earnings within 15 months -- cannot be explained only by the default on a meager 7% of subprime mortgages (worth probably no more than $1 trillion) that triggered it. The real villain is the lack of trust in the paper on which they -- and all other assets -- are printed. If we don't restore trust in paper, the next default -- on credit cards or student loans -- will trigger another collapse in paper and bring the world economy to its knees.
If you think about it, everything of value we own travels on property paper. At the beginning of the decade there was about $100 trillion worth of property paper representing tangible goods such as land, buildings, and patents world-wide, and some $170 trillion representing ownership over such semiliquid assets as mortgages, stocks and bonds. Since then, however, aggressive financiers have manufactured what the Bank for International Settlements estimates to be $1 quadrillion worth of new derivatives (mortgage-backed securities, collateralized debt obligations, and credit default swaps) that have flooded the market.
These derivatives are the root of the credit crunch. Why? Unlike all other property paper, derivatives are not required by law to be recorded, continually tracked and tied to the assets they represent. Nobody knows precisely how many there are, where they are, and who is finally accountable for them. Thus, there is widespread fear that potential borrowers and recipients of capital with too many nonperforming derivatives will be unable to repay their loans. As trust in property paper breaks down it sets off a chain reaction, paralyzing credit and investment, which shrinks transactions and leads to a catastrophic drop in employment and in the value of everyone's property.
Something truly stupefying has occurred, something which has not yet been fully taken in. The United States of America, precisely at its moment of triumph and mastery, its moment of unique preeminence, has chosen to destroy the concept of value itself.
At the risk of offending Catholic readers everywhere, imagine this "parallel universe", a metaphorical, Saramago-like scenario by which I have chosen to describe through analogy the American financial sector's crisis and by extension the social crisis it brings with it:
One Sunday, all over the world, every Catholic, man woman and child, who takes Holy Communion develops a persistent diarrhea and an unsightly rash.... Health authorities discover that the pathogen causing these ailments is only found in consecrated communion wafers... unconsecrated wafers are found to be harmless, scientific tests determine that the transformation occurs precisely upon the Host's elevation and is not due to faulty storage procedures.
Priests all over the world try consecrating other forms of bread, but with the same result: anything any of them consecrates brings on the diarrhea and the rash. The diarrhea and rash are not fatal, but this universal outbreak brings into question all the sacraments of the Church, especially other vital ones of "deferred payment", such as baptism and the forgiveness of sins.
On one hand this rationally inexplicable crisis is taken as the definitive proof of a supreme being, one who actually and unmistakeably intervenes in human affairs, but on the other it also undoubtedly damages the Church's franchise as a credible representative of that being on earth.
Without a viable sacramental role, what would be the status then of the Pope? He would still have the trappings of the office, the "pope-mobile" and the stunning wardrobe, but what of his apostolic authority?
Having proven God's existence, while simultaneously demonstrating his disfavor, would this then lead to mass conversions to Islam or to Pentecostal sects?
What would be its effect on the Italian tourist industry?
The blow-back and knock-on effects of the proven or potential toxicity of the Church's most important assets, its sacraments, might be endless.
Business and the sanctity of property are and have always been America's religion.
In America's case read commercial paper and the dollar for "communion wafers" and POTUS for "Pope" and you get my drift.
America has in a sense committed suicide. Can its stomach be pumped out in time?
More change:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/OpenForQuestions/
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Today WSJ front page ...
"Commercial Property Faces Crisis"
Delinquency rate of commercial at peak.
Bond's backed by Commercial Property are the next shoe to drop. Forget about student loans, this will bring the economy to its knees.
Maybe we can blame Czech Republic? No?
I do think the most interesting story yesterday was the new senate bill described earlier that will make all US newspapers optionally go into a 'non-profit church status', and thereby be exempt from taxes. Trouble of course is that the IRS doesn't allow this exemption to 'politik', so imagine this that all newspapers that survive this economy come out being non-biased, and non-political??
'1984', 'Brave New Wold' is here.
Commercial Property Faces Crisis
Commercial Property Faces Crisis
Delinquency Rate, Near Peak ; Parallels to S&L Debacle
By LINGLING WEI
Commercial real-estate loans are going sour at an accelerating pace, threatening to cause tens of billions of dollars in losses to banks already hurt by the housing downturn.
The delinquency rate on about $700 billion in securitized loans backed by office buildings, hotels, stores and other investment property has more than doubled since September to 1.8% this month, according to data provided to The Wall Street Journal by Deutsche Bank AG. While that's low compared with the home-mortgage delinquency rate, it's just short of the highest rate during the last downturn early this decade.
[Storm Brewing]
Some experts say it now looks as if the current commercial real-estate slump will rival or even exceed the one in the early 1990s, when bad commercial-property debt played a big role in dragging the economy into a recession. Then, close to 1,000 U.S. banks and savings institutions failed. Lenders took about $48.5 billion in charges on commercial real-estate debt between 1990 and 1995, representing 7.9% of such debt outstanding.
Since late 2007, a total of 47 banks and savings institutions have failed, of which a dozen or so had unusually high commercial-mortgage exposure. Foresight Analytics in Oakland, Calif., estimates the U.S. banking sector could suffer as much as $250 billion in commercial real-estate losses in this downturn. The research firm projects that more than 700 banks could fail as a result of their exposure to commercial real estate.
Commercial property may not be hit as hard as many fear if the economy pulls out of recession more quickly, driving up rents and occupancy rates. And greater availability of financing -- a key goal of the Obama administration -- could lift property values.
General Growth Properties Inc., one of the biggest mall owners, has been teetering on the brink of a bankruptcy filing and recently failed to repay maturing loans on two shopping centers in Hayward, Calif., and Humble, Texas, according to Trepp, a firm that tracks the commercial-property debt market. John Hancock Tower in Boston is being sold in a foreclosure auction. Recent additions to the list of properties with delinquent mortgages include an office building in Stamford, Conn., a hotel in Las Vegas and a shopping center in Ohio.
Souring Loans
The problem was underscored when Moody's Investors Service downgraded Bank of America Corp. Wednesday, citing likely increases in souring "credit cards, residential and commercial real estate loans." The bank declined to comment on the downgrade.
Boston's John Hancock Tower is to be auctioned after lenders moved to foreclose on owner Broadway Partners.
Boston's John Hancock Tower is to be auctioned after lenders moved to foreclose on owner Broadway Partners.
Boston's John Hancock Tower is to be auctioned after lenders moved to foreclose on owner Broadway Partners.
Commercial real-estate debt is potentially more dangerous to the financial system than debt classes such as credit cards and student loans because of its size. The Real Estate Roundtable, a trade group, estimates that commercial real estate in the U.S. is worth $6.5 trillion and financed by about $3.1 trillion in debt. Partly because the commercial real-estate debt market is nearly three times as big now as in the early 1990s, potential losses in dollar terms loom larger.
According to an analysis of bank financial reports by The Wall Street Journal, the broad shift to real-estate lending can be seen by comparing commercial real-estate loans -- including both mortgages and construction loans -- with banks' so-called Tier 1 capital, a key indicator of a bank's ability to absorb losses. In 1993, less than 2% of the nation's banks and savings institutions had commercial real-estate exposure exceeding five times their Tier 1 capital. By the end of 2008, that had risen to about 12%, or about 800 financial institutions. A higher ratio means a thinner cushion for loans that go sour.
The Federal Reserve and the Treasury are moving to adapt a funding program to make it attractive for investors to buy debt backed by office buildings, hotels, stores and other income-producing property. The program, called the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, or TALF, was begun to finance purchases of debt backed by consumer credit, and officials will expand its use to include commercial-property debt.
See the Data
Read the report provided to The Wall Street Journal by Deutsche Bank Research:
The Fed is an institution that traditionally makes short-term debt available. In TALF, federal loans run three years, already a duration Fed officials are uncomfortable making. But even that might not be long enough to spur investor demand for commercial mortgage securities, which typically mature over 10 years.
Real-estate industry executives have been trying to resolve these issues with Fed and Treasury officials in meetings led by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, say people familiar with the matter. The government officials are considering extending the TALF to accommodate the needs of the commercial real-estate industry but no decisions have been made. In a statement Monday, the Treasury suggested the Fed might alter the terms of its loans to investors to make them more attractive for long-term securities.
Jeffrey DeBoer, CEO of the Real Estate Roundtable, said, "The danger is a repeat of what happened on the residential side: A complete choking up, foreclosure disasters and increased stress on the banking system."
As recently as last summer, delinquency rates on commercial mortgages were at historically low levels, and many experts thought problems wouldn't be as bad in this downturn.
'Worst of Times'
But owners could borrow so much on the expectation of rising property values and cash flows that some are at risk now that rents and occupancy are falling. "In just seven months, we've gone from the best of times to the worst of times," said Richard Parkus, head of commercial mortgage securities research at Deutsche Bank.
Even some performing loans could face trouble because of a fall in values of the properties, making it hard for owners to refinance when loans come due. Currently, many banks are agreeing to grant short-term extensions on loans. But "that's just kicking the can down the street for awhile," said William Rudin, an owner of New York City office buildings. "That doesn't solve the problem."
Of $154.5 billion of securitized commercial mortgages coming due between now and 2012, about two-thirds likely won't qualify for refinancing, Deutsche Bank predicts. Its estimate assumes declines in commercial-property values of 35% to 45% from the peak in 2007. That would exceed the price drops in the downturn of the early 1990s.
[Red Flag]
The bank estimates the default rates on the $700 billion of commercial-mortgage-backed securities could hit at least 30%, and loss rates, which figure in the amounts recovered by lenders, could reach more than 10%, the peak seen in the early 1990s.
Besides securities backed by commercial real-estate loans, about $524.5 billion of whole commercial mortgages held by U.S. banks and thrifts are expected to come due between this year and 2012. Nearly 50% wouldn't qualify for refinancing in a tight credit environment, as they exceed 90% of the property's value, estimates Matthew Anderson, partner at Foresight Analytics. Today, lenders generally won't loan over 65% of a commercial property's value.
In contrast to home mortgages -- the majority of which were made by only 10 or so giant institutions -- hundreds of small and regional banks loaded up on commercial real estate. As of Dec. 31, more than 2,900 banks and savings institutions had more than 300% of their risk-based capital in commercial real-estate loans, including both commercial mortgages and construction loans.
At First Bank of Beverly Hills in Calabasas, Calif., the amount of commercial-property debt outstanding was 14 times the bank's total risk-based capital as of the end of last year. Delinquencies reached 12.9%, compared with the average of 5% among the nation's banks and thrifts.
"In perfect hindsight, we would have done less commercial real-estate lending," said Larry B. Faigin, president and CEO. The bank this month announced a deal with a leveraged-buyout and restructuring firm in Chicago, Orchard First Source Asset Management, under which Orchard will provide new capital. Within two years after the deal closes, First Bank will significantly reduce its concentration in commercial real-estate lending and have less than half of its assets in the sector, Mr. Faigin said.
More change:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/OpenForQuestions/
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Fuck that SHIT BP, I want LIVE FEED from MR. TELEPROMPTER, he's the brains behind the OREO.
Myspace page of the kid who shot himself in front of his Mom a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.myspace.com/erazzed
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Popular kid it seems from the comments.
Only thing we hear is a simple death notice in the BULL, that I linked to above. Kid shot himself in the head while his mom was right there trying to talk him out of it...
The Baby-JEEBUS speaks of Bend Orygun ... while only insulting Catholics and not Jews.
...
One Sunday, all over the world, every Catholic, man woman and child, who takes Holy Communion develops a persistent diarrhea and an unsightly rash.... Health authorities discover that the pathogen causing these ailments is only found in consecrated communion wafers... unconsecrated wafers are found to be harmless, scientific tests determine that the transformation occurs precisely upon the Host's elevation and is not due to faulty storage procedures.
Priests all over the world try consecrating other forms of bread, but with the same result: anything any of them consecrates brings on the diarrhea and the rash. The diarrhea and rash are not fatal, but this universal outbreak brings into question all the sacraments of the Church, especially other vital ones of "deferred payment", such as baptism and the forgiveness of sins.
On one hand this rationally inexplicable crisis is taken as the definitive proof of a supreme being, one who actually and unmistakeably intervenes in human affairs, but on the other it also undoubtedly damages the Church's franchise as a credible representative of that being on earth.
Without a viable sacramental role, what would be the status then of the Pope? He would still have the trappings of the office, the "pope-mobile" and the stunning wardrobe, but what of his apostolic authority?
Having proven God's existence, while simultaneously demonstrating his disfavor, would this then lead to mass conversions to Islam or to Pentecostal sects?
What would be its effect on the Italian tourist industry?
The blow-back and knock-on effects of the proven or potential toxicity of the Church's most important assets, its sacraments, might be endless.
Business and the sanctity of property are and have always been America's religion.
In America's case read commercial paper and the dollar for "communion wafers" and OBAMA for "Pope" and you get my drift.
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Well BP add it to the the suicide list on your Bend-Gazette tombstone.
Now its NOT just the developers offing themselves its the kids.
Note this kid was Goth, interesting that he didn't take 'others', seems to me he had some 'heavy' anger with mom, if it be true of what you say on circumstance.
To date 'note' our developers have been very 'private' in their exit. This kid took it one step higher by involving 'mom', the next step is columbine, springfield,...
In summary, another reason to be anon-nym-ass, cuz as this 'bust' get's worse, they'll be looking for someone to blame other than 'mom'.
Lastly, note that the 'jobs' link on myspace is-was disabled.
Just like in our BULL-WORLD here, this shit goes un-reported, I'm sure nationally its way bigger than said.
"They took our jobbbss!"
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Who is this 'they'??
The kid was a dry-waller, the shittiest thing you can do in home trade.
Perhaps nobody told the kid that his 'trade' was temporary? Out of the box thinking, Goth, obsession with death, ...
"They took our jobs", ... like these drywalling jobs were going to go on forever,...
So let's look deep at this 'problem' they took away the 'boom' for building std's, which is what uses 100% drywall, as 'nice' homes don't use drywall.
So somebody pulled the plug on STD shit-shacks, ... who was it? The consumer? The banker? Lack of demand? Hell if one of the 1,000's of Bend builders actually thought there was still a market for a Siberian-STD he would be hiring bus-loads of dry-wallers.
This whole thing smacks of "Who took my buggy whip manufacturing job?", I'm going to kill them, ...
Anon-nym-ass Folks, there is ton's of gun & ammo floating around in BEND, and ten's of 1,000's of irrational folks looking for somebody to blame for their cognitive dysfunction.
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There are many good pictures of our HOMER on 'BendMorons.blogspot.com', perhaps when Ms. Czech see's HOMER she might have second thoughts?
Perhaps Kiimi can send us pic's of her tits? Are they bigger than Financee's? Or Tiny-Tinas? Or Mrs Ashley (SORE-38MMM)??
A DOZEN most excellent reason that people from all over the world will be coming to Bend-Orygun to spend their life-savings on a vacation during an economic depression....
Bella Moda 4/25/09
High Desert Gallery (Bend) 4/25/09
Joolz
Zydeco
900 Wall
Great Outdoor Store
Luxe Home Interiors
Powell's Candy
Dudley's Used Books and Coffee
Goldsmith
Game Domain
Subway Sandwiches
Bend Burger Company
Showcase Hats
Pita Pit
Happy Nails
Before I get BASHED, ... YES fucking PUG's, it can be done.
I have built homes, without one fucking piece of drywall.
I hate fucking dry-wall, I do use wonder-board in the bath/showers behind the fixture, but that is different shit, and its covered, but I prefer 'wood' for visible interior.
Up in NWXC on walks I have noticed they're now even using drywall on exterior up there and covering it with external paint. Yeck... The 5yr life-span home.
Ok, back to debating the 'economy'.
Well again today CHINA, has HIT the USA's DICK with a rubber hose, for being an economic IDIOT. Me thinks that CHINA is establishing itself as 'superior' to the inferior white-trash ruling the world. 'Complacency'?? Why not use the 'Fraud' word??
Peoples Band Of China Says U.S., Global Complacency Triggered Financial Crisis
By Kevin Hamlin and Li Yanping
March 26 (Bloomberg) -- China’s central bank said complacency and a conviction in the U.S. and developed economies that markets always correct themselves triggered the global financial crisis.
“Market forces, if unchecked, will lead to asset bubbles and ultimately a disastrous market clearing in the form of a financial crisis like the current one,” the People’s Bank of China’s research arm said in a report on the central bank’s Web site today.
China is publishing its appraisal of the worst financial crisis since the 1930s as world leaders prepare to attend a meeting of the Group of 20 largest economies in London next week. Central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan earlier today lambasted governments that failed to emulate China’s “decisive” action to fix their economies.
“Although the U.S. regulatory structure was a complex patchwork of fragmented agencies and jurisdictions some believed that it worked quite well,” the central bank said. “The cost of waiting for the system to break has turned out to be tremendous.”
A lack of coordination among regulatory agencies and poor communication among regulators, central bankers and finance ministers in some advanced countries hampered efforts to rescue the global financial system, the central bank said.
The profit-seeking nature of Western financial institutions and the view that “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” were the underlying causes of the crisis, the central bank said.
The accounting frauds at Enron Corp. and WorldCom Inc. should have “impelled regulators to upgrade supervision,” the central bank said. “Authorities failed to take much-needed systemic actions.”
More GOOD NEWS KUNTS, people are NOW paying the US Government to hold their money, that's what 'negative t-bills' do for you, and this hasn't happened since Dec 08, and before that 1940, when the Great-Depression was BEND-BAD. Now if the US Government could just FUCK the world, and world investors would ALL pay the USA to hold their money in Negative T-Bills for all time!!! Now wouldn't that be 'CLEVER'?
U.S. One-Month Bill Rate Negative for First Time Since December-08
By Dakin Campbell
March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury one-month bill rates turned negative for the first time since December as investors sought the most easily-traded securities to bolster balance sheets at the end of the quarter
"Fed Bank President Janet Yellen said yesterday that the central bank wants authority to issue its own debt, a move that would strengthen its efforts to raise interest rates" ... ahhh the small-print, the real reason for the FED-RES power grab, ... Like I have said for long here, I see big fucking "VOLCKER STYLE" 20% INT-RATES on the HORIZON, that's the ONLY thing this COUNTRY can do to PREVENT a mass world exit from the 'DOLLAR RESERVE', its what we did post 1970's with the Bretton-Woods collapse and end of Vietnam, we jacked interest rates up to 20% to bring the world back to the USA, as the WORLD at that time DESPISED the USA like today.
U.S. One-Month Bill Rate Negative for First Time Since December
By Dakin Campbell
March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Treasury one-month bill rates turned negative for the first time since December as investors sought the most easily-traded securities to bolster balance sheets at the end of the quarter.
Financial institutions earn interest on funds deposited with the Federal Reserve. At quarter end, banks prefer to carry securities on their balance sheets instead of cash, driving demand for bills, according to Donald Galante, chief investment officer and senior vice president of fixed income at MF Global Ltd. in New York. He expects rates to rise again by mid-April.
“We’re in a funds rate range of between zero and 0.25 percent,” said David Glocke, who manages $65 billion of Treasuries at Vanguard Group Inc. in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. “If you keep rates this low, you’re going to end up having periods, especially in the Treasury bill market, where the yield goes negative.”
The rate on the one-month bill touched negative 0.0101 percent in New York, compared with 0.03 percent yesterday. It was last negative on Dec. 26, when it reached minus 0.05 percent. Three-month bill rates fell four basis points to 0.15 percent, while six-month bill rates fell two basis points to 0.38 percent.
Bill rates turned negative for the first time and note and bond yields reached record lows at the end of last year as investors sought refuge in government securities after the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and a freeze in global credit markets.
Ten-Year Notes
The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index fell 38.5 percent in 2008, the worst annual performance since 1937, as some the largest U.S. financial firms folded under the weight of soured mortgage securities. Merrill Lynch & Co., Washington Mutual Inc. and American International Group Inc. have all been taken over by other firms or the U.S. government.
Since then, Treasury yields have risen from record lows and credit markets have started to thaw. The difference between what banks and the Treasury pay to borrow money for three months, the so-called TED spread, fell to 106 basis points from a high of 464 basis points Oct. 10.
The 10-year note yield fell one basis point, or 0.01 percentage point, to 2.79 percent at 11:58 a.m. in New York, according to BGCantor Market Data. The 2.75 percent security due February 2019 rose 5/32, or $1.56 per $1,000 face amount, to 99 23/32. The yield on the 30-year Treasury security, the so-called long bond, fell two basis points to 3.72 percent.
“We had retraced back to the 3.75 percent level in the long bond, a level at which we have seen some interest from pension funds and insurance companies,” said Richard Bryant, a trader of 30-year bonds at Citigroup Global Markets Inc., one of 16 primary dealers that trade with the central bank. “Market participants are also looking ahead to the Fed buyback in the long end of the curve scheduled for Monday.”
Fed Purchases
The Fed began the first targeted purchases of Treasuries since the 1960s yesterday, buying government debt maturing between February 2016 and February 2019 as part of a plan to buy up to $300 billion. The central bank is scheduled to purchase notes due from March 2011 to April 2012 tomorrow and ones maturing from March 2026 to February 2039 on March 30.
The central bank is trying to keep yields from rising in the face of a record amount of supply as President Barack Obama boosts government spending to revive economic growth. Debt sales will almost triple this year to a record $2.5 trillion, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc., another primary dealer.
The Treasury is selling $24 billion of seven-year notes today, capping a week in which the U.S. government will have sold a record $98 billion in coupon securities.
The seven-year security being sold today yielded 2.41 percent in pre-auction trading. Yields dropped from 2.748 percent at the last auction of the securities on Feb. 26. Investors at that sale, the first since 1993, bid for 2.11 times the amount of debt offered.
Fleeting Success
So far policy makers have been unable to keep yields from rising in the face of supply. Treasury 10-year yields have retraced more than half of the 47 basis point decline on March 18 when the Fed said it would buy Treasuries. An auction of 40- year gilts yesterday in the U.K. failed to attract enough bidders.
“We are hostage to higher yields,” said Paul Horrmann, a strategist in Jersey City, New Jersey, at ICAP Plc, the world’s largest inter-dealer broker. “Supply is going to win this trade.”
If 10-year yields break 3.05 percent they will move to 3.30 percent “in a heartbeat,” Horrmann said. Yields are currently trading in a range between 2.50 percent and 3 percent, he said.
The difference between two- and 10-year notes rose for the seventh day to 1.86 percentage points after plunging to an almost two-month low after the Fed’s announcement.
Difficult to Unwind
Economists are concerned that the Fed’s program may be difficult to unwind when the economy recovers. San Francisco Fed Bank President Janet Yellen said yesterday that the central bank wants authority to issue its own debt, a move that would strengthen its efforts to raise interest rates as the credit crisis abates.
U.S. government securities returned 1.5 percent so far in March, based on Merrill Lynch & Co.’s U.S. Treasury Master index. That rally helped trim the first-quarter loss to 2.2 percent.
U.S. company bonds yielded 7.93 percentage points more than Treasuries, widening from 4.06 percentage points a year ago, Merrill’s Corporate & High Yield Master index shows.
Marge,
Thanks a bunch for that.
Someone that bought in 7/07 sold for $3k more than the last sale, but it looks like they sunk a bunch of cash into it:
"All new kitchen includes: Cherry cabinets, porcelain tile countertops and much more. New forced air furnance, new windows and doors, new moldings. New floorings incl.: Tile, Libson Cork, Berber carpet. Original oak floors beautifully restored."
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1063-NE-10th-St-Bend-OR-97701/60580703_zpid/
Other than that you have to go back to 2/05 to see a sale for more than the purchase price, which if they paid a 6% commission they made $7.5k. They probably paid that much in closing costs when they bought the place.
I made an offer over a year ago of $300k on one of the places that sold for $290k and was laughed at by the sellers. I am so glad they didn't take it. They ended up doing a yearlong rent-to-own to the people who just closed. I think those folks overpaid.
PopPussy,
Just BUY a fucking house.
Today with median at $190k there are ton's of nice homes to BUY.
You can wait until $150k, or even $120k, but as time goes by, and more homes become NOD's or Foreclosures, they really become little dumps. Once a person quits paying the MTG they usually start ripping out fixtures, and anything that is bolted down.
It's way better to buy before the only the thing on the market is NOD's, Foreclosures, or Defaults, or bank fire-sales; I call this genre the 'unloved', sure you can buy that shit, but it usually reeks of CAT-PISS by the time it achieves that status.
Sure we're probably see homes under $100k in coming years, but we'll also see $15k homes that nobody will ever want to live in.
The important thing today is to keep the nice hood's nice by keeping people intact who intend to stay for the long-haul.
As more & more homes fall into the BLACK-HOLE category, you'll not want them, I can see on the HORIZON a two tier home pricing, the loved and un-loved.
DUMB-FUCKS will be saying that a certain median is $120k for an un-loved, but so fucking what? You wouldn't want to live in one, or even rent it. On the other hand the loved homes will hold value, by definition.
Sort of like looking for a WHORE during the holo-caust, sure everyday goes by they get hungrier, but they also turn to skin and bones, by the time YOUR whore is willing to FUCK for a penny, you would be fucking skin&bones. The same goes for housing, by the time YOU DUMB fucking KUNTS get your $15k detroit deal on a BEND-HOME, that BITCH will have all its wires pulled from the walls.
Deja-Vu.
Got an email from Working Wonders... apparently they need money so badly, that they are begging anyone whose been there for $20. Just straight up asking for it.
Email states they have had a major revenue shortfall.
WW must have put all their money into MadeOff, all these joo philanthropy's are having a hard time keeping up with the circumcisions in Bend these days.
>Just BUY a fucking house.
Sorry, I couldn't disagree more, and I know a bit more about my situation than you do.
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I read an article in a mountain biking magazine, and it said Bend was a nice place to live. What the story neglected to say was that you needed to have a significant pair, to live in Bend.
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I don't know how the higher end homes are because I don't waste time looking at them (I'm staying in the $150k-$200k range), but the comments about loved and unloved are definitely true.
Found one home that is a short sale, was vacant over the winter, pipes broke and now the home needs a ton of repairs, but the bank won't lower their approved short sale price. Good luck with that one.
Most of the REO homes I've looked at have a handful of repairs, the bad ones are missing toilets/fixtures/appliances, need new carpet, etc. Fortunately there's a lot of REO houses still out there that aren't on the market yet and in about the same condition. They'll start to be listed this spring/summer for good prices I suspect.
Using the Deschutes county DIAL system you can easily query for bank names and turn up tons of properties that aren't listed yet. This summer there should be homes still in pretty good shape, but after another winter I imagine the cheap inventory left is going to be getting pretty ugly.
If they are priced accordingly I don't think it's a bad thing to need new toilets, fixtures, appliances and carpet. They allow you to put in efficient toilets and appliances, good looking fixtures, and hardwood floors. If you are going to replace much of that stuff anyway, why pay for it? As far as Buster's allegations that all the wiring will be ripped out, well I've been in enough 1920s and 30s westside homes to know that even if they don't rip the wiring out you may want to redo much of it.
Buster is right that nice neighborhoods will not fair as badly, but what does that mean? Only a 30% more drop instead of a 50% more drop?
In the more established neighborhoods you still have a good number of people living there that have for 10+ years. When prices get back to 1998 levels there will STILL be people that bought their homes in 1985 and have them paid off. You may pay a bit extra for that house then the crap around it, but it will still be less than you would pay now.
Prices will not go up quickly after the bottom. There will be plenty of time to buy. It may take a couple years for the right house to come on the market at the right price, but there is NO rush.
Well let's see.
SE 27th or the siberian hinterland, I wouldn't want HBM to live out there in $15k detroit mcMansion.
All these fucking 'newbies' this is re-hash, its all about income, and that now is around $50k/yr, and using historical std's that be about $200k for a nice 'loved' house, in a few block walk to Newport Market, and/or Deschutes brew-pub, where you can fuck the car, all that is missing is a hw-store in downtown like their used to be.
If you can FIND a good home, with a nice large fenced yard, that has been loved, that has old trees, that has a big garage, that has lots of off street parking, ... its doesn't matter if its $120k or $200k, cuz these are the kinds of houses that will hold value.
On the other hand if you talking Shevlin Park, or NWXC, or anything out east of 8th, or more than a few block south of the JR rec ctr, your talking siberian fuck in the ass, and then you might as well buy the $15k job in detroit now, or wait for detroit to come to you in Bend.
Personally ALL East of I-97 in Bend is detroit to me, and all West of 14th on the west, on a good day I might go all the way east to say 18th, ...
It's all about being able to walk, I also think all that SHIT around the old-mill will go below $100k, cuz there is no yard, or privacy, or off-street parking, also stay away from any kind of development where there are 'rules' or HOA's, cuz in BEND HOA's is where you get fucked in the ASS BIG-TIME.
If your a CALI ass-hole then not having close-line, or not being able to have 1/2 dozen kayaks in your backyard may not bother you, but if you want to 'live', e.g. have a few trailers in the yard, and bikes and shit in the garage, ... and be able to leave your garage door open for a minute without getting a fucking ticket ( BT, ... ), then buy a home around downtown where there are no fucking HOLLERN(CALI) rules.
Remember what I said, we're in a holocaust, and the WHORES of BEND will be selling their services for penny's in a few years, but by then all the whores will have scabs and tissue and bones and no fat, so yes you'll get a good deal, but hell you can also go to a morgue and fuck a corpse today and get a good deal.
all West of 14th on the west, on a good day I might go all the way WEST to say 18th, ...
but definitely all east of I-97 is siberia, and all north of a few blocks of powell BUTT is siberia, ...
The good stuff is all 5min walk from deschutes brewpub if your a cripple.
When the bottom comes in 4+ years, you'll not even be able to walk in 'siberia' for fear of your life, go to it boyz. Wait for those 'detroit' prices, theyr'e a coming, but I hope you like living in a coffin.
Death is death, if it means a good deal to live in a cemetary, or fuck a corpse, then Bend has a deal for you.
My only addition to the comments on buying a home are: If the dollar actually does go away and we can't print anymore money that is accepatable to China, you won't have enough cash to buy any house nor fix one up. Think about it, prices will go down a bit more, the houses will need more cash influx to make them liveable, interest rates will go up, sooner than later. Do buy a house that is not a REO unless in great condition. Choose you neighborhood according to the # of REO's in it. Less is best.
Remember, your cash today is worth more than it will be tomorrow.
IMHO
On the notion that there are STILL mill-houses in Bend with 1930's wiring, ... I don't think so,
Prior to the most recent boom, there still existed tons of homes in the mill area, around 'taco-shack' south of downtown, north of the old-mill,
These homes typically one-bedroom, one bath, woodstove, foundation of river rock, which has settled.
Poor plumbing, and 1930's wiring, post&tube, ... trouble is all that shit was flipped by 1998, and by 2002 updated and converted there is very little in downtown BEND-CORE 2mi radius of deschutes brew pub, that is still RUSTIC pre WWII mill-house, ... very-very little, ...
These days what happens is ALL in the STD's where they get foreclosed and they rip the wire out of the wall which is ROMEX (NEW) for the copper, and they pull the fixtures for resale, and pull the carpet if its NOT cat-pissed.
Most of BEND's real fixer-uppers have been FIXED, and were done so in the last BOOM.
TODAY the APPRAISER is HARD FUCKING CORE, they're NOT going to APPRAISE a shit shack, that is a REPO,REO,OR Short-Sale,... so if your going to get a loan, then the house is going to have to be nice.
Also the veneer of a STD or an 'un-loved' by definition home is quite THIN, you have no idea of what shit has been done to the crawl space, or if the insulation hasn't been pulled, its a life of constant surprise, we have been seeing people pull the R40 out of the ceilings, you just don't know.
With a 'loved' home, that has been continually been loved, ... what's to say.
It's like the METH-WHORE (BEND) versus the good virgin Mormon/Jew girl.
Sure you can get yourself a BEND METH-HO for cheap, but she's going to have scabs and disease, but you dumb fucking KUNTS think, ah but my meth-ho, she come cheap.
On the other hand a nice young Jewish/Mormon virgin of say 22 is clean and pretty, and you just go to go to 'church'(synagogue) a few months to meet them, and yeh the investment time/money is a little higher, but its all about quality.
So go to it CHEAP dumb fucking KUNTS of BEND, there is a SIBERIAN deal just waiting for you in 2012 or later in STD BEND SIBERIA.
METH HO INCLUDED.
the houses will need more cash influx to make them liveable,
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Thanks for adding that marge, there's so much to teach these fucking KUNTS and so little time.
Yes, BUY the best 'loved' home you can today, cuz tomorrow, you'll need your CASH for fucking food.
Don't assume that TOMORROW there will be home-depot or lowes, cuz their will NOT, we're going to return to like the old days of a downtown hw-store, and perhaps a place like miller if they survive for lumber.
I'm sure here, marge can give you lots of names of good realtors to make low-ball offers, I like the the people @coldwell, they're ball busters,
These fucking 'un-loved' homes are what the BANK wants to sell, cuz anybody can sell the good shit.
MARGE knows what I'm talking about, its always been this way in BEND, you went into a realty shop 20 yrs ago, and they tried to SELL you the shit, with no off-street parking, out in shit-ville, ... the good stuff was always sold by word of mouth in this town.
Today is the first time in years the good shit has been even fucking available, price is not the issue.
It's just like good looking women, they have always been SPARSE, if you don't give a fuck what she looks like and put a bag over her head before you fuck her, then yes there are tons of deals in BEND.
On the other hand, BEND has always been very sparse when it comes to NICE inner town loved homes.
All the above said, I already know that +99% of the folks in BEND are the type that put a bag over their womans head, so go it boyz, ... I'm only speaking for the 1%.
If there is no cash, prices will come down. If interest rates go up, prices will come down.
High rates are a huge disadvantage with someone without a down payment, but a huge advantage for someone with a large down payment. Therefore, anyone with cash should wait until rates go up and the prices come down to match the high rates.
Anon said>>I'm sure here, marge can give you lots of names of good realtors to make low-ball offers, I like the the people @coldwell, they're ball busters<<<
I agree with 99% of that last post of yours. One exception, any or all of coldwell are not ball busters. There are a couple of 90ish.
I am spending money on whatever I may need for the next several years as I want to use todays dollar now.
Well there are one or two that are ball-buster's, I just didn't want to hand out specific names, but there is some real tough ones that just split off recently, and took the good people with them.
I'll leave the name's for you, or let you give names as RE is your racket not mine.
I'm sure Marge knows some very hungry fucking realtors who would love to write low-balls.
It's NOT about price.
It's about location, location, location.
What you don't want to do is buy something CASH, and sign a non-conformance waiver for 'CODE', and only to find out that the STD needs $200k in repair, on your $150k STD.
That's why its BEST to go conventional, and get a conforming home to 'CODE' ( wire not pulled ), everything kitty-kunt PURRRfect, let problems be the BANK's problems.
What you don't want to do is PAY CASH for a non-confomring REO or NOD, and find out down the road that its worth 1/4 of what you paid.
Go conventional pay 20% down, hire an inspector, and make the BANK be the bad-guy, and run the seller through the HOOPS.
If you can't be an asshole, MOVE, and get out of the game.
Buster,
Nothing you have said is new, or unknown to anyone paying attention. No shit that you don't want to be out of the zone you mentioned. I knew that shit three days after I moved here. I'd add in up to about Trenton on the butte. A nice 1800 sq foot 60s ranch with a decent lot. No, it won't be $120k-$150k, but when the medians are that low a nice one will be under $300k.
>>If you can't be an asshole, MOVE, and get out of the game.<<
I won't use this venue to pimp my pals that I know would squeeze balls to make deals. Sorry. Everyone will have to figure it out for themselves. For me, it's mostly about having an identity and no real connection to who I am.
So, if someone split from coldwell, I guess they are no longer there..right?
Ah, before you buy do a shitload of homework on the house you are interesed in.
My best advice has been given.
>On the notion that there are STILL mill-houses in Bend with 1930's wiring, ... I don't think so,
I'm familiar with a 1920s house on baltimore that had the wiring "updated", but none of the breakers did a damn thing unless you threw the main one. A buddy had a 1930s one on Kingston that was "updated" but still had the vintage wires in multiple places in the house, including behind the kitchen counters which he didn't find out until they stopped working 3 months after he poured his own concrete countertops in place. I know of a remodel on davenport that had a huge addition put on and much of the old house was gutted - but they didn't bother to replace the original wiring when they had the chance. That would have cost money, and they were just planning on flipping. It goes on and on. There's plenty of shaky electrical still hanging around.
>Don't assume that TOMORROW there will be home-depot or lowes, cuz their will NOT, we're going to return to like the old days of a downtown hw-store, and perhaps a place like miller if they survive for lumber.
That's fine. Have you seen the shit they sell at Home Depot and Lowes? Look at the flooring they have, or the fixtures. 98% shit. That's not the stuff to put in a house you actually want to keep.
Those " remodeled westside mill houses" most likely never had an electrical inspection. I have seen way too many that should have had new wiring for the breaker box. Believe me they will all burn down.
IMHO
These days what happens is ALL in the STD's where they get foreclosed and they rip the wire out of the wall which is ROMEX (NEW) for the copper, and they pull the fixtures for resale, and pull the carpet if its NOT cat-pissed.
It's not nearly as profitable to rip copper out as it once was. Copper prices have fallen to just under $4,000 a ton from their peak of just under $9,000 a ton last summer.
Who needs copper when world demand has gone to shit?
yes you'll get a good deal, but hell you can also go to a morgue and fuck a corpse today and get a good deal.
Ahhh, Busters in fine form tonight.
You know, you can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a cows ass, but I’d rather take the butchers word for it.
Tell that to the METH heads that stole that statue a few months ago.
Prices for copper might be down, but most of these folks would rape their grand-parents for $5, never underestimate the power of Bend Stupidity.
Sandy Garner, The Garner Group, Bend Oregon Real Estate
Marge,
I didn't want to name name's in RE, but last time I did a house in Bend I had Sandy Garner's office do the low-ball, while she was still at Coldwell, I like her staff, no clowns, nobody dropped the ball, and whenever I needed something or had a question I get the resolution always the same fucking day. Impressed. 90% of most realtor's I have dealt with always drop the ball. Garner is also know for being a tough-ass negotiator, and her assistants are awesome rather than some slouch putting in their hours to be a broker.
So sorry, that's why I mentioned 'coldwell' thinking of sandy, but later I remembered that she had recently split off do her own thing.
Marge, you tell us your retired, but who do you suggest for the KUNTS that are serious about writing some low-ball offers??
The point I was trying to make on Home-Depot, was not that they had fine stuff, its that if you buy a shit-shack that was 'un-loved', you better hope you don't have to drive to PDX for nails, cuz when Bend goes down, there isn't going to be much material like we got now, quality or not.
I concur I wouldn't buy flooring at HD, but their nails are ok and their caulking, ... If you want fixtures got to the rebuilding center in PDX.
Friend I know that do nice floors buy old churches wholesale, there's lots of ways to get good materials.
Where is BP?? Me so horny. :<
I love OREO&GEITHNER I think they have hit the BIG ONE here, ...
"The Geithner plan additionally calls for curbs on the ability of investors to pull their money out of money market funds, to reduce the chances of runs."
So there you have it, the problem with money-market having broke the buck, is not the SIV's, no sir ee, the problem is those fucking investors who think its their money. Solution? To put curbs on money-market withdrawals.
You know the OR-GEITH-EO has big plans, next thing we'll here is that we're going to be limited on access to our money in our checking-accounts.
See the way the IRS has demonized off-shore accounts this week? You can tell that people are massively shifting their money out of the USA ASAP, and the US government is trying to make people think they're traitors or some shit, ... It's your money right? Who gives a fuck where you keep it.
The essence of the Geithner plan is MASS 'bank holiday' where nobody can get their money, what a great idea, and you wonder why people are moving their money offshore?
Who would have guessed?
Never assume an old house has been rewired. Last house I lived in turned out to have old paper-covered wiring from god knows when.
>>Remember, your cash today is worth more than it will be tomorrow.
Yeah, but if the value of the cash goes down, the value o the houses will march right down with it. Housing will overshoot on the way down. Yes, there is some affordability now, but it ain't over. Even in the good neighborhoods.
Here's one for the BP&HBM, it turns out the WSJ is in TROUBLE for leaving out the real story on the AIG-BONUS, that 'W' BUSH himself was personally involved in giving AIG $40B, and leaving the BONUS attached, ...
Wall Street Journal article omitted Bush Treasury Department's role from AIG bonus timeline
Summary: A Wall Street Journal article about Tim Geithner and his aides' involvement in decisions about AIG's bonus payments did not note that it was the Bush administration that negotiated a November 2008 stock purchase agreement with AIG through which the Bush Treasury Department injected $40 billion into the company without requiring that the bonus contracts be nullified.
A March 23 Wall Street Journal article about Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and his aides' involvement in decisions about AIG's bonus payments did not report that it was the Bush Treasury Department that signed a stock purchase agreement with AIG, whereby AIG received $40 billion in aid, without having to terminate those payments. The Journal reported, "As New York Fed president [at the time], Mr. Geithner was central to AIG's initial $85 billion bailout in September, which was carried out in a tumultuous four-day period." The Journal further reported, "One of Mr. Geithner's top bank supervisors at the New York Fed, Sarah Dahlgren, became the government's lead overseer of AIG. She sat in on AIG board meetings, joined at times by other top Fed staffers, and also participated in compensation-committee meetings. It isn't clear whether the issue rose to the board level until this month. AIG received an expanded government rescue in October and another in November, bringing the total to about $150 billion, including $40 billion in Treasury funds." But the Journal article did not make clear that it was President Bush's administration that negotiated a November 25, 2008, stock purchase agreement with AIG through which the Bush Treasury Department injected the $40 billion into the company without requiring that the bonus contracts, which AIG had signed with employees, be nullified.
As Media Matters for America previously documented, on March 20, FoxBusiness.com reported that in a November 1, 2008, email, a Treasury Department official wrote, "Have your benefits team made any progress on the 'soft' issues, or heard anything from the fed [sic] on the bonus situation?" The article further reported, "Despite their deliberations at the time, the Treasury and Fed officials, which were part of the Bush Administration, eventually decided to restrict compensation on just the top 75 company executives -- and some of them may still have received hefty bonuses." But in reporting on "how Mr. Geithner and his aides were apprised of the AIG bonuses," The Wall Street Journal did not report that, after deliberating over the bonus contracts, the Bush administration signed the November stock purchase without requiring AIG to nullify those contracts. Indeed, Neil Barofsky, a Bush-appointed special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), noted in March 19 testimony that the executive compensation section of the Treasury's TARP agreement with AIG limits compensation for "Senior Partners," including "all retention payments paid or payable to such Senior Partner under any retention arrangement between the Senior Partner and the Company for any period ending on or prior to March 31, 2010." But the agreement does not affect retention payments for other AIG employees.
From the March 23 Wall Street Journal article:
Since the fall, senior aides to Timothy Geithner have closely dealt with American International Group Inc. on compensation issues including bonuses, both from his time as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and as Treasury secretary.
The extent of their involvement, which wasn't widely known, raises fresh questions about whether Mr. Geithner could have known earlier about AIG's $165 million in bonus payments. When the bonuses sparked a political firestorm last week, Mr. Geithner said he learned about their full scope in early March, just days before they were paid.
Mr. Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke will be grilled by Congress on Tuesday in a hearing that is likely to focus heavily on AIG. The flap has prompted lawmakers to seek curbs on an array of bonuses, tested the Obama administration and undermined Mr. Geithner's standing as he attempts to implement measures to stabilize the financial system.
Treasury officials say the department's staff kept Mr. Geithner in the dark until March 10. "Secretary Geithner, who has been actively engaged in shaping and executing the president's broad economic agenda, takes full responsibility for not being aware of these programs" before that date, Treasury spokesman Isaac Baker said Sunday in a written response to questions.
This account of how Mr. Geithner and his aides were apprised of the AIG bonuses was based on interviews with government officials, lawmakers and congressional testimony.
As New York Fed president, Mr. Geithner was central to AIG's initial $85 billion bailout in September, which was carried out in a tumultuous four-day period.
After Edward Liddy took over as AIG chief executive, the company hired consultants to look at its payment plans around the world. One of Mr. Geithner's top bank supervisors at the New York Fed, Sarah Dahlgren, became the government's lead overseer of AIG. She sat in on AIG board meetings, joined at times by other top Fed staffers, and also participated in compensation-committee meetings. It isn't clear whether the issue rose to the board level until this month.
AIG received an expanded government rescue in October and another in November, bringing the total to about $150 billion, including $40 billion in Treasury funds.
In early November, the Fed, outside auditor Ernst & Young and AIG officials began examining through a committee the bonuses set to be paid to AIG's financial-products division, including those that sparked last week's furor. The committee concluded that the bonuses, which were in contracts signed before the government takeover, couldn't be legally blocked, according to a person familiar with the matter. The Obama administration has since agreed with that legal interpretation.
AIG cited the retention plan in a public filing in early November, and Fed officials were aware AIG planned to pay $55 million in bonuses to financial-products employees the next month. Mr. Geithner remained involved in major AIG matters, seeking updates from Ms. Dahlgren and other top Fed staffers. He recused himself from dealing with aid to specific companies around the time of his Nov. 24 nomination as Treasury secretary.
Fed officials declined to make Ms. Dahlgren available to comment on the bonus issue.
Lawmakers were also scrutinizing AIG's operations. Some raised the matter of the AIG bonuses at a hearing in December where they grilled Neel Kashkari, a Bush Treasury official who remains at the department.
>The point I was trying to make on Home-Depot, was not that they had fine stuff, its that if you buy a shit-shack that was 'un-loved', you better hope you don't have to drive to PDX for nails, cuz when Bend goes down, there isn't going to be much material like we got now, quality or n
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So your point is that you are a fucking idiot. There's always a hardware store. I grew up in a town of 3000 and guess what? We had a family owned hardware store. Then I moved to a town of 10,000 and guess what? A family owned hardware store that was where you went after you bought your coffee just to shoot the shit and find out what was going on in town. There's always a hardware store. It may be small, and if they don't have it in you may have to wait a few days for what you need but there is ZERO chance of having to drive to Portland to but nails. FACT.
>>Remember, your cash today is worth more than it will be tomorrow.
Yeah, but if the value of the cash goes down, the value o the houses will march right down with it. Housing will overshoot on the way down. Yes, there is some affordability now, but it ain't over. Even in the good neighborhoods
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This is SO EVER FUCKING tiring like the 'out of da box thinking', or the end of 'brick & mortar'.
I think what me & marge are talking about is that you fucking KID's are all going to lose your job's, your not going to have a CASH-FLOW, the point is to HOLD on to your fucking CASH, cuz nobody is going to have any.
The best thing is to BUY a nice home ASAP, cuz in the long term its all going up, cuz of hyper-inflation, its always better to be a home-owner rather than a renter, so long as your real cost of ownership is less than that of renting, and TODAY that can be done.
The ongoing problem here is that 99% of this group are LOSERS, and homer is a poverty pimp.
What Marge is saying is that you want a home that costs you very little money, have the SELLER, the guy you bought it from DUMP all HIS money to make the home PURRfect, and then you just live in it, and enjoy his loss.
KEEP your fucking CASH, and 'IF' the good shit goes to $50k, then you can use your CASH to buy more, but honestly I don't think it will happen.
Here's what will happen, once the 'good shit' in BEND hits a real low price, the BIG BOYZ, REIT's from NYC or where-ever will step in and BUY the shit by word-of-mouth directly from the banks, the little folks will never even have a chance, this is how it works.
Right now we have a window, between the bottom, and when the REIT's make the 'call' that Bend is a BUY, and then prices will start going up. How long will Bend be in the doldrums? Who fucking knows.
Another issue is that YOUR fucking landlord is probably under water, and he can't keep the house, so eventually your going to be on the street if you don't own your own home.
Then there is the other issue with the DUMB FUCKING kunts of this blog, is that the majority still don't know what the fuck from one day to the next if they have a dick or a pussy.
Back to cash, like marge says, keep the fucking cash, and don't buy into a house that's going to have a fixup burn rate, leave that shit for the cali-morons.
It's ALL about SURVIVAL. Most of you KUNTS will not survive.
In the long term if you have lots of Real Estate, and you get 15yr fixed, and fill the shit with renters that pencil then you can retire young and not give a fuck, sadly most of the people on this group are around fifty years, and still sucking their mothers tit, and don't have fucking shit to their name.
"Learned Helplessness" is Bend Orygun, where the vast majority, play with their pussy's, and feel sorry for themselves, and wait for everyone around them to die, so they can pull gold teeth from the dead, the problem with this theme is that most of us will outlive you parasites waiting for bottom.
The bottom never comes, because you'll not even know it was the bottom, until its well passed.
I think when we talk about 'CASH' here, we're talking about liquidity. Note today that Geithners 're-regulation' plan will lock down redemption of the money-market, so that will NO longer be liquid. WRT to the argument that if home prices collapse so will cash, well NOBODY is saying that your cash (FED-RES NOTE) is buried in the yard, where yes it becomes worthless.
The dollar is going to shit, when you have the GUBMINT printing 4X, your going to have a 1/4 loss of buying power.
We have already deeply defined liquidity in these blogs, so when me&marge say 'cash' we're talking liquidity.
A lot of this shit goes back 2+ years, back when everybody said BEND RE can't go down, and we said it would go down to 4X income, and probably over-shoot on the under-side, but that historical price is around 3-4X of income, and the high 2005 in Bend was about 6X, and today we're at about 4X, and probably heading to 3X, but so fucking what.
Price is NOT important, what is important is location, location, location.
DUMB FUCKING KUNTS that want a single-wide in the desert for $15k, can buy one today in xmas valley, the phones are waiting.
. There's always a hardware store.
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We used to have a nice little HW store in downtown Bend,
Now you have to drive out in fuck-ville, sure there's a little shit @aboy,
The point of HD & lowes is that this BigBox shit is going down in the depression, cuz its all based on traffic, and the traffic is Bend gone.
What will make it in the future is the DUNC model, one guy running a little store with no over-head paying himself sub-min wage.
Lastly, nobody ever said that pop-pussy, was anything but a pussy , no brains are required to be on BB2, so we don't even have to go there, but defn if you @ BB2 its already confirmed your a lazy 'renter' retard.
Anonymous said...
Where is BP?? Me so horny. :<
Who's BP? Butt Pirate? Bun Puppet? Butt Plug?
Fucking awesome.
Once again you show that you are an idiot. I thought your point was that we were going to have to drive to Portland to buy nails? Now it's that the mom & pop hardware is going to survive? No fuckhead.. that was MY point. I'm not going to miss HD and Lowes. I liked the hardware store downtown. I liked having a one man pharmacy downtown. I couldn't give a fuck about the box stores.
then... "waaaahhh... i can't come up with anything else so I'll call you a renter pussy." Get over youself. Selling my house and renting was the best financial decision I have made, and I think I know enough to get in at the right time for me. You don't.
You are a condescending prick that happens to think you are way smarter then you are. You come on here with your "lessons" that are the equivalent of a kid from algebra walking into a calculus class and trying to "school" us on y=mx+b and feeling smart about it. Then you keep fucking doing it. Get over yourself.
then... "waaaahhh... i can't come up with anything else so I'll call you a renter pussy." Get over youself. Selling my house and renting was the best financial decision I have made, and I think I know enough to get in at the right time for me. You don't.
Ditto on the financial aspect of renting. No one will make me feel bad about that. I don't think it's for everyone though. It worked for me, and that's all that really counts.
Owning works for a lot of people who bought at the all time top... good for them.
I know people who are KNOWINGLY buying, despite the fact they are fully cognizant that the market is not going to get better soon. It just happens to be the best thing they can do in their circumstance, right now.
I've never said SELLING IS THE ONLY STRATEGY THAT MAKES SENSE. That's bullshit. If I hit the lottery tommorow, I'd buy myself the biggest fucking mansion I could, and to hell with capital loss.
Funny that some people keep insisting that you shouldn't buy anything but it seems others are starting to speak up more about now being close to the time to get in.
I don't think we'll see any asking prices on the way up anytime soon, but we might see a slowdown in price drops over the next few months, or the drops being for smaller amounts. As these sellers start to hear things that make them think recovery might be coming (consumer spending up two months in row) they're going to be less likely to drop their price.
Optimism is a bitch, it might bring buyers back into the market but it will also change sellers attitudes. Of course there's still REO out there for cheap, but like Marge said you shouldn't get something that is going to need costly repairs.
Funny excerpt:
The tour must go on
Builders, hoping the bottom is near, prepare homes for display
But this summer, it’s all the more important, according to O’Neil. She believes people will be paying more attention than in years past, as pent-up demand and low prices will motivate would-be homebuyers to jump back into the market.
“Last year, I was optimistic we were heading toward the end of the downturn in terms of pricing pressure, but I was wrong,” O’Neil said. “Now, I definitely think we are scraping the bottom because it’s all anyone talks about. When all you see is how bad this is, I’m pretty sure we’re at the bottom.”
Notice the PARAPHRASING being done by the writer, Andrew Moore, regarding PENT UP DEMAND and LOWER PRICING. He then quotes the interviewee, who admits she has thought the same thing before & was proven DEAD WRONG.
She also has the classic CONTRARIAN VIEWPOINT: When everyone is pessimistic, you should BUY.
My advice: GO TO TOKYO. People been pessimistic there for coming up n 20 years. And the Ginza is STILL DOWN 99%.
There so much POSITIVE EDITORIALIZING being done by the writer, Costa should hold his head in shame for even allowing such a puff piece to see the light of day.
Further signaling a bottom may be near, a U.S. Commerce Department report released Wednesday showed sales of new homes jumped 4.7 percent in February when compared with January sales.
I mean, COME ON.
Do you HAVE NO SHAME COSTA?
Jensen said COBA’s membership, which is open to builders and other related home construction trades, numbers 840, down roughly 10 percent from 2007-08. That retention rate compares much better with other building associations around the U.S., some of which have seen drops in membership between 30 and 40 percent, he said.
Nice, COSTA. We know, COBA is the Second Coming of Christ. Greatest thing since sliced bread.
How's that BEST TIME TO BUY IN 20 YEARS PR/Mktg suckjob working out for them?
>I don't think we'll see any asking prices on the way up anytime soon, but we might see a slowdown in price drops over the next few months, or the drops being for smaller amounts.
This I disagree with. In CA, FL and NV the biggest year-over-year price drops were after the volume picked up. With the pattern of foreclosures and sales volume we have here I can't see us being much different. Inflation will probably kick in at some point, but for at least the next 6-8 months I see price drops continuing similar to the last 6 months.
>Ditto on the financial aspect of renting. No one will make me feel bad about that.
For the first 6 months I was renting I felt a bit dirty when I told people I was renting. I got over it. I did help one other friend see the light and do the same. He's damn happy too.
COBA at least admits that their goal is to promote building, but they definitely had confused best time to buy with best time for our members to profit from your stupidity.
I spent a few years I'll never get back earlier this decade living in Sacramento and the story was the same. Everyone ranting on about how the $400k homes that had been $180k three years earlier were such great deals. Then there was the mortgage commercial that was new every few weeks and it always talked about rates at historic lows, and I bet he still is today.
The comment about pent up demand is amusing, considering that most of those people are renters with a recent foreclosure who are hoping to find a way into another home. FHA will approve people as long as their foreclosure is more than three years old, which is a fucking joke - unless their foreclosure was a government insured loan.
By next summer a lot of these assclowns who already screwed up once will find ways back into the market and really ruin things again.
>>>Right now we have a window, between the bottom, and when the REIT's make the 'call' that Bend is a BUY, and then prices will start going up.
Buster if you are holding out for the "REIT's" to come bail your ass out then you are Bend dead already. The reit's model is broke and it's going to take decades for it to come back. They'll be investing in Tulips before they get back to Bend RE.
Re: Geithner, et al
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Buying toxic assets is "nice" for banks, but solves nothing. Bailing out AIG, oddly enough, could be seen at least as a step in the right direction - the problem of course being that if you're going to take care of all potential liabilities, the total bill might be in tens of trillions, rather than mere trillions - with a lot of that money going to the smart hedge funds that bet on things going badly in various markets and for various institutions (cf Pauslon above).
Given all that, we have several routes:
* one that gives a lot of money to banks that do not deserve it to solve their asset problem, but still do not make them creditworthy (the current Geithner plan), which gives stock markets a temporary boost, taxpayers permanent pain, and solves nothing;
* one that does help them get rid of their real problem (huge contingent liabilities on bets that are turning sour), but is vastly more expensive than the mind-numbing numbers we're throwing around already, and gives all the money to hedgies: the AIG route, multiplied ten or hundred-fold;
* one that acknowledges that the issue is liabilities rather than assets, and that focuses on the fact that a lot of these liabilities are wholy unrelated to any economic or financial activity, and are contingent rather than actual - ie nobody loses anything if they are cancelled. If a 100:1 bet you made is cancelled, your actual loss is not 100, it is 1 - something that could be paid back to you.
So far, the second route has been used when an emergency beckoned (AIG et al); the first route has been used massively but the Treasury does not seem tired of it yet, and the third one seems anathema.
Of course, it means taking the shiny toy away from the hands of the hedgie kids.
Why is that a bad thing, again?
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So would the world really melt down if we simply canceled derivatives not tied to a real asset?
Didn't someone here make a graph showing the explosion in NODs? I want to use it in a post next week, when we get the first quarter total.
>>>Another issue is that YOUR fucking landlord is probably under water, and he can't keep the house, so eventually your going to be on the street if you don't own your own home.
I've heard this argument many times and it really amuses me. Are you really assuming my family is going to be living in a van down by the river if this one house we live in now doesn't work out? Is this the only house available for me to live? What the fuck is wrong with the one down the street for rent? Or the one next door? How about the one my pal owns and is begging me to move into?
>>>Didn't someone here make a graph showing the explosion in NODs? I want to use it in a post next week, when we get the first quarter total.
I kind of lost interest after the yearend because it was just the continuation of the hockey stick. I'll add in this quarter and post it this evening/weekend.
>>>>Another issue is that YOUR fucking landlord is probably under water, and he can't keep the house, so eventually your going to be on the street if you don't own your own home.
I know my landlord put a lot down and his mortgage was taken out for $170k. Comps put it at around $300k currently, but I expect it to be around $190k by next year. My rent is covering it, and this is the only rental property he has. It's not impossible that he could default, but it's improbable. If that happens there will always be rentals available for people with 800 credit scores, good jobs and 5+ years rent sitting in the bank.
“Last year, I was optimistic we were heading toward the end of the downturn in terms of pricing pressure, but I was wrong,” O’Neil said. “Now, I definitely think we are scraping the bottom because it’s all anyone talks about. When all you see is how bad this is, I’m pretty sure we’re at the bottom.”
Is she the same one who said a year ago that it had to get better because it couldn't get any worse?
This is called "the triumph of hope over experience."
LavaBEER,
Back in the early 1980's you couldn't give away property in PDX then in 1988, the REIT's came in inner SW PDX water-front, and you couldn't touch commercial RE, cuz they would buy it all,...
It will come back, take our BEND COMM RE will go to the fucking toilet, and then some FUND in NYC will be formed to buy the shit penny's on the dollar, and then a 1,000 ME-TOO funds will follow, been here 40+ year in ORYGUN LB, I know how it works,
You think that REIT's are over, ... forever that's like saying the stock market is over, ... human greed knows no bounds, ... these things are ALL cycles.
300 days of SUNSHINE in BEND declared to be the BIG NAZI LIE of BEND www.visitbend.com
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David in Bend wants to know what counts as a sunny day. He notes that some local tourist groups claim central Oregon gets an average of 300 days of sunshine a year. So is that true and how much sunshine does there have to be to call it a sunny day? For David's answer... chief meteorologist Adam Clark is in the Skytracker Weather Center.
According to George Taylor who wrote the book "Climate of Oregon" for a sunny day we need 15% or less of the sky to be covered by clouds over the 24 hour period. A mostly sunny 'day' is indicated by 15-30% cloud coverage, and this type of coverage totals 51% of the days we see here in Central Oregon. After doing the math -- the total number of days recorded as 'sunny' is 186. So there you have it.
Thanks David for your question. If you have a local question you can't find the answer too... Let us help. Send an email to news at kohd dot com.
Them renters are so fucking smart, that's why they have some much net worth.
Poverty pimps, the renters be.
Nobody knows the BOTTOM, but we have a good BET.
The MTG resets will go until 2012, and then the Bend NOD's will slow.
But the real problem is when the 'nationals' decide that SACRED-BEND is a 'steal', and believe me it will happen.
My point here is simply 'location', and ONLY in these down cycles can you even BUY the good stuff in the good location.
For those willing to live in Siberia, well you already live a dogs life, so fucking enjoy.
For those who have been in Bend forever, they know that getting a nice home in a good location has NEVER been easy in this fucking town.
The above said 99% of the lot of the people on this site are parasitic grifters, ... so what, you sow what you reap.
The problem is 90% of the inventory in Bend isn't suitable for BENDBB's mother, and that's some bad shit.
Thus so what about 'demand' and 'pricing'. 90% of BEND inventory needs to be burnt to the ground.
Just a simple fact.
The problem with Bend is that anything with 100mi radius of Bend was market as BEND, but as I have said since day-one here, BEND is only 1mi radius of deschutes brewpub or less, otherwise your in siberia, and siberia is going to shit, and stay in the shit.
The essential problem with this debate is What the FUCK is anyone talking about when they say Bend??
For homer it means the badlands, and for BP it means his wifes bike-shop, and for lavabeer it means bend-high school where he sleeps in his car and remembers the best years of his life dressed in his LavaBear costume he would run around in during the football games of his youth.
Then there is NWXC to some folks that is Bend, to marge its out in the desert on 5ac where you can shoot.
The problem is that most of the east-side shit was worthless ten years ago, and is going to go back to being worthless.
The problem is that most of the Shevlin shit was built to last 5 yrs, and is now expired.
Some say we need to go down 50%, but we have shit around Newport Market in 2006 was at $550k, and now can be had for $200k, so we're already down 60% or better.
Back 2+ years ago I told this group, that 4X would be a good bargain. Last time Bend & Orygun hit bottom, it didn't stay at bottom for too long,
There are simply too many people who want to live here, and they know what they want.
The good thing about the recent BUST, is it gets rid of those WHO can't afford to live here, like I have said all along, BEND is NOT a working mans town, its a place where 'rich' people play, and everyone else changes their bed pan.
Now that most of YOU KUNTS have lost your 401K, and you can't get a job here, your going to have to smell busters shit the rest of your lives, if you don't get the fuck out of here! Think about that.
Hey, are you guys seeing a lot of BURNING CARS in your neighborhood?
http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/106813/Signs-of-Stress-Fraud-on-Roadside
>>>You think that REIT's are over, ... forever that's like saying the stock market is over, ... human greed knows no bounds, ... these things are ALL cycles.
Well....essentially YOU think that I think the Reit's are over. But that's not what I said.
Let me quote me: "The reit's model is broke and it's going to take decades for it to come back. They'll be investing in Tulips before they get back to Bend RE."
I'll stand by that statement. They are over for this cycle and some day they will come back. All true. I think decades is a fair enough guess. They still have much blood-letting to do before we hit bottom. Then it will take some time before everyone forgets the pain. Then they may start slowly and then come back. Until then you are still Bend dead with your worthless inventory.
>Last time Bend & Orygun hit bottom, it didn't stay at bottom for too long,
This isn't last time.
>>>for lavabeer it means bend-high school where he sleeps in his car and remembers the best years of his life dressed in his LavaBear costume he would run around in during the football games of his youth.
Ah high school....I must say High School in the old Bend were good times. Every day the schools were closed due to snow we couldn't possibly make it into school but miraculously made it to the mtn. Sorry Buster, I don't think high school was the best of times. College was way better. Then I must say graduate school was way, way, way better than college. I was actually really interested in the topic so school itself was better/easier. The workload in graduate school is about 1/10th as much as undergrad. Sure it sucked once it was time to nut up for the thesis but it took a few years of fucking off to get to that point. I was even smart enough to schedule winter classes in the evening so I could ski every morning and summer classes first thing in the morning so fishing/biking/beer drinking all could start at noon. Good times.
This isn't last time.
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All the cycles are the same, it all depends,... like dunc said today, for some 1988 was still in the shits, and its started around 1980.
Last time is this time, and how bad it feels all depends on your age, and how much 'liquidity' you have to enjoy the ride.
Every youngster thinks that his life is somewhat special, that nobody has ever felt his pain, this one also shall pass.
All around me in 1983 I saw nothing but total fucking collapse, but I was involved in the PC revolution from day-one, so I saw nothing but 'green' all is relative grasshopper.
"The reit's model is broke and it's going to take decades for it to come back. They'll be investing in Tulips before they get back to Bend RE."
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LB you drive me crazy, your china sounds not like my CHINA, your reit sounds NOT like my REIT.
To 'ME' a REIT is just a clown in kmart suit operating out of NYC, that gets ponzi fools to join his RE ponzi scheme, and their will be MORE RE ponzi schemes cuz GREED never ends.
A REIT is just a POOL of money from fools, and the pool of fools and their money is endless.
There will be REIT central-OR funds commercial and residential mark my words, and I would be quite surprised they weren't already in place today, just lacking critical mass of fools.
>>>There will be REIT central-OR funds commercial and residential mark my words, and I would be quite surprised they weren't already in place today
And there are several. Each of them will get there asses handed to them as they keep trying to catch the proverbial knife. Sooner or later we will run out of knife catchers because everyone is too bloody to try. Then we'll wait for years until the blood has dried and we have all forgotten the pain. Then I agree....they will be back. I may be one of them but not until the last drop of blood is dry will it make sense.
>>>LB you drive me crazy, your china sounds not like my CHINA
Ummmm let me take a wild ass guess. Is it because I've been to china multiple times the last few years? Could it be because I've been as recently as a few weeks ago? Perhaps your china is a world that you've read about in some nice books? Or I'll even give you your fantasy that you were there 20 years ago and have supplemented that trip with some reading? Other then that you got me.....
BP,
Maybe you can explain this to the girlz here, but its a real nice description of the Geithner Bank-Bail-Out Plan aka TOXIC ASSet purchase, and exactly WHO the 'investors' will be, make sure you FORCE all the KUNTS here to view these in ORDER, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze.
Geithner plan part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervHbKa7R5g
Geithner plan part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-arbfLTCtI
The analysis of the 'plan' 1&2 above, ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk7K2rKHNv4
Then I agree....they will be back.
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LB, please take your dick out of BENDBB's ass just for a moment. I never said that anybody who bought a Bend Comm/Resid REIT was going to make money, I just said that they'll make it hard for us little guys to scrape meat off the bones of what they leave for us to BUY.
>>>hard for us little guys to scrape meat off the bones of what they leave for us to BUY.
Ok, now we are getting down to it. So my theory is that the REIT's are just stupid money that would buy whatever. The vast majority of the reits today out catching knives are the stupidest of the stupid. Smart ones are done. So I'd say let these knife catchers impale themselves. Keep your powder dry until they all start going BK. Then be smart about the local market and more nimble than the rest and buy what falls from the sky. Patience and knowing ones targets is best.
Hi I'm new to Bend, and found this site today. I couldn't help but note that one of you lives in your vehicle near the high school.
Is it safe there? Where is the best place to park at night? I need power for charging my laptop.
Thanks in advance for the reply.
Is it just me? Am I the only one here that gets a hard on when buster and lavabear agree on something?? I think they should have a date at the D&D?? Or at least get a room.
Re: Them renters are so fucking smart, that's why they have some much net worth.
Poverty pimps, the renters be.
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Got a few underwater acquaintances that would vehemently disagree with your right now...
Re: I kind of lost interest after the yearend because it was just the continuation of the hockey stick. I'll add in this quarter and post it this evening/weekend.
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Thanks, LB. Down in Reno with extended family for the weekend. Sunny and 70's.
Re: There are simply too many people who want to live here, and they know what they want.
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A four letter word: J O B S
Unfortunately, Bend squandered the biggest bubble it has ever seen without creating very many long term jobs. And it continues to piss away money, witness the recent decision to spend 387K cash by June 30th to start updating building and construction codes.
We issued eight fucking building permits last month. We've been through three layoffs, have stopped hiring cops, have less than a month of reserves in every department and we need to update the fucking building codes?
That shit is why Bend is fucked.
My brother in law lives in old town in Reno, kind of like the West Side if you include the Drake Park area. We rode around, got lunch and picked up food for tonight, then drove around, stopping at a garden shop and and checking out the new baseball stadium, and then on the way back to the house Trudy goes "Look, there's a house for sale!"
First one we saw in hours and miles of running around in a similar size area.
Kind of freaky.
We are at 296 NODs for the month so far. Easily going to break 300.
Some of the NODs being filed now missed their June payment. I looked at 23 from a few days ago and the median missed their September payment.
They are getting scheduled for foreclosure at the end of July or Beginning of August now, and that's IF they don't postpone the foreclosure. Most are postponed at least once and many are postponed more than that. I'm seeing stuff that has the current foreclosure date 5 months after it was first scheduled.
Most of the 300+ NODs filed in March won't hit the market until at least October and won't record sales until November or December at the earliest.
The foreclosures that are driving the prices down now were mostly filed last summer when rates were half what they are now (156 in June, 140 in Jul).
At this rate of increase, and with the unemployment rates we are having I expect to see months with 450 NODs some time this year.
Credit Suisse is forecasting that 1 in 6 households with a mortgage will foreclose by 2012. Deschutes is the worst county in Oregon, which is one of the worst states in the Union. It's probably not too big a stretch to think we could hit 1 n 4 with a mortgage. According to the latest data I have found about 20% of the homes here have no mortgage. That would have us looking at about 1 in 5 homes being foreclosed on by 2012, or about 15,000 foreclosures. 10,000 if we only hit the "1 in 6 homes with mortgages."
To hit those levels we need to average about 200 foreclosures a month on the low end, and 300 on the high end.
We are already in that ballpark, and the numbers are going up.
Best time to buy a 1200 sq foot crap shack in 20 years.
Is there any map of Bend showing where all the NOD's ( what-not ) are by color so we can all enjoy watching the toxic spread of Bend Aids take over our fucked city
> Down in Reno with extended family for the weekend. Sunny and 70's.
Is that the type of sunny where you have 30% clouds?
Or is that the actual kind of "sunny"?
>Is there any map of Bend showing where all the NOD's ( what-not ) are by color so we can all enjoy watching the toxic spread of Bend Aids take over our fucked city
I lost my joy in it a while ago. Now there are a lot of good people that are going to get fucked in the ass. If we have numbers like 1 in 5, think about how many people you know in town. I might end up knowing 100 people that foreclose. The joy in watching it burn and "getting a smokin' deal" is gone. Now it's just protecting what I have and making sure my family does not go through it. It's going to be fucking ugly and a lot of people I know are going to get hurt. I hopefully will avoid it.
Anyone who bitches about the weather should move. Bend is 20 miles from the Cascades and we see way more sun than PDX. If you got duped into thinking it's a tropical oasis, you're stupid...it gets cold here, you should move.
...It's going to be fucking ugly and a lot of people I know are going to get hurt. I hopefully will avoid it....
A lot of people you know probably deserved to get hurt. Sorry to say.
Here is TownHall Meeting that only a Pussy could love. The OREO is proven he is MORE BUSH THAN BUSH.
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President's Audience Heavy on Supporters
Washington Post - 7 hours ago
President Obama has promised to change the way the government does business, but in at least one respect, he is taking a page from the Bush play-book, stocking his town hall meeting Thursday with supporters whose questions provided openings to discuss ...
300 days of SUNSHINE in BEND declared to be the BIG NAZI LIE of BEND www.visitbend.com - The Pussy has found a new mooch in Reno fuck SLC, we're all moving to Reno.
*** Goebbels of Bend Defines a Sunny Day in Bend ***
David in Bend wants to know what counts as a sunny day. He notes that some local tourist groups claim central Oregon gets an average of 300 days of sunshine a year. So is that true and how much sunshine does there have to be to call it a sunny day? For David's answer... chief meteorologist Adam Clark is in the Skytracker Weather Center.
According to George Taylor who wrote the book "Climate of Oregon" for a sunny day we need 15% or less of the sky to be covered by clouds over the 24 hour period. A mostly sunny 'day' is indicated by 15-30% cloud coverage, and this type of coverage totals 51% of the days we see here in Central Oregon. After doing the math -- the total number of days recorded as 'sunny' is 186. So there you have it.
Thanks David for your question. If you have a local question you can't find the answer too... Let us help. Send an email to news at kohd dot com.
A lot of people you know probably deserved to get hurt. Sorry to say.
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"HURT" are you out of your fucking mind? This is the town where we fuck you in the ass, take your money, eat your dog's, rape your children, liquidate your 401k, and sell you a crap shack worth two cents on the dollar. Your wife, lets just say she's communal property.
"HURT", until you have been fucked by Bend, you don't know the meaning of 'HURT'.
Bend is in the 'Business of Hurt'. We lure them in with COVA ( taxpayer paid ), then he hit them over the head with the COBA/CORA brick.
Just like being Shanghaied in the old days of PDX and dragged to sea to work a ship for a year, after being drugged in a PDX bar.
Today we lure them to 'Bend' where they think they'll get rich quick. Then we hurt them bad. If they're lucky they can take a bus out of town in 2-3 years with the clothes on their back.
Bend is a fucking machine, a 'puppy grinder' where we take innocent brain dead cali's, 'fools with money', and we quickly separate them of their money. The kids find more drugs here than they ever had access to before, as I97 is the coke/meth highway. The wife quickly leaves hubby when the money runs out. Then its live in a Bend single-wide trailer and beg for a dish-washer job, or get the fuck out of Bend.
"HURT", what does it mean to be "HURT" by Bend. Whose fault is it?
Who could have known? Who would have guessed that Bend is a 'communal fucking machine'? Eventually the word will get out. But for today COVA, CORA, COBA, ... et-al are working 24/7 to bring them in, like fish, ... The bait is those 300 days of sunshine in a nigger free city. They will keep coming.
The city is addicted to fucking people, its all they know. It's like trying to wean an old crocodile off human flesh, or an old lion. The city staff & council has tasted the human-flesh of 'easy-money' and selling worthless desert land to tourists. It's all they know. Only when the tourists quit coming to Bend will the Carnivores of Bend die of a natural death, for now they rule city hall.
Eventually when the tourists quit coming, Bend city-hall will have to FUCK the locals. Then the carnivores will have nothing to eat, and they'll move on.
"HURT", your fucking lucky if the worst thing is Bend is you get "HURT".
Trudy goes "Look, there's a house for sale!"
First one we saw in hours and miles of running around in a similar size area.
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What does that mean, two years ago in my hood ( around Newport ) every other home had a sign, or lockbox on the door.
Today almost all the signs are 'Bend-Gone'.
People have given up. Nevada has some of the worst problems in the country. Leave it to the Pussy to see light where there is darkness.
That whole corridor up I395 from RENO-CA to Susanville-CA has some of the most over-priced RE in the country. If you look on a REO map you can see the entire zone is 'RED'.
1.) This site is all about 'hurt', if you can't stand the site of your brothers and sisters of Bend getting fucked, then you shouldn't be living in Bend.
2.) The graphic's for 'foreclosures', nods, and reo's can be found at ...http://realestate.yahoo.com/Oregon/Bend/foreclosures
The trouble is each batch is graphics, but if one were to integrate the pages one could see where the clusters of 'foreclosures' are occurring. It's primarily in Siberia, outside of the 1mi radius of the Deschutes brew-pub.
Where morons were sold BIG & little crap-shacks 100X of what they were worth by the PIMP's running city hall&staff.
Who would have guessed?
Who could have known?
Yes, BB2 is for the entire family. All with the good housekeeping seal of approval.
I can't think of a better place in Bend than BB2.
we see way more sun than PDX.
If the best you can say about a place's climate is "it's sunnier than Portland" you're better off not saying anything.
Who says there's no excitement in Bend? New phone books came out this week.
The kids find more drugs here than they ever had access to before, as I97 is the coke/meth highway.
It's amazing how many people you still hear say that Bend is "a great place to raise kids."
Virtually every yuppy friend I have in this town, tracks their kids with cell phones with gps, and internet tracking, so that perhaps at a glance always know where their kids are.
Surprisingly the biggest problem in this town for parent friends of teenage kids is the parents that supply dope and alcohol to their kids so they know where their kids are out, of course this means that everybody hangs out at 'Joes' house, ... So parents follow their kids movement's, and note what houses their hanging out at and getting high or drunk during class time, or afternoon, ...
Fucking amazing, ...
>> "HURT", until you have been fucked by Bend, you don't know the meaning of 'HURT'.
If you're have to live in poverty, at least you can do so with a view.
And it's not like you're in inner Detroit, where you have to worry about getting mugged every time you go out.
Real 70's and sunny. Saw my first beggar with a sign yesterday. Haven't seen one today.
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Today almost all the signs are 'Bend-Gone'.
People have given up. Nevada has some of the worst problems in the country. Leave it to the Pussy to see light where there is darkness.
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Just reporting what I actually saw.
If you think people have given up, you haven't ridden around east of 3rd lately. I have about 12 homes for sale within six blocks. And one block with six For Rents.
Simple on the ground reality. I walk my Jacks past the signs several times a week.
Don't know much of out east...
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