tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post7312167496633650268..comments2023-07-07T00:32:17.629-07:00Comments on BendBubble2: The Collapse of Bend Has BegunUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger326125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-3019929215648202822007-10-28T08:42:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:42:00.000-07:00[2] Ron Garzini, US private prison booster, quoted...[2] Ron Garzini, US private prison booster, quoted in Christian Parenti 'Lockdown America: Police and Prisons in the Age of Crisis<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>Ok, here's the deal; answering the rhetorical question. How does Garzini fit into BEND, gated communitys,... Brooks Security Services, ... Bend Stewards.<BR/><BR/>Garzini is a NUMBER-ONE spokesman in America for the issue of 'managing an un-needed population', solution prison privitization.<BR/><BR/>Garzini is the critical link to 'cleaning up' central oregon. Note the new prison up in Madras is part of the over-all picture.<BR/><BR/>Garzini is the critical link at the federal level for the Oregon Laboratory. I don't even want to get into that, Oregon was designated back in the 1950's post WWII to be a sociological laboratory to study population policy management.<BR/><BR/>The reason that Garzini is a 'fix-it' man, is that behind the scenes he has powers at the Federal Level. He also has the second most powerful lobby in America behind him, #1 military-industrial-complex, #2 prison-industrial-complex.<BR/><BR/>Ron Garzini is a leader of #2.<BR/><BR/>Welcome to Bend, Oregon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-66695266604593008852007-10-28T08:35:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:35:00.000-07:00Bend, Oregon; Model test laboratory for the crime-...Bend, Oregon; Model test laboratory for the crime-free, prison-industrial city-state of tomorrow. Ron Garzini, expert witness.<BR/><BR/>Managing a surplus population in a retirement community.<BR/><BR/>......<BR/><BR/>This essay examines what we are calling the ‘crime control industry’ and how the growth of such an industry relates to growing inequality and the need to ‘manage’ or ‘contain’ the ‘surplus population.’ Profits are a major moving force in this process, rather than the goal of reducing crime and suffering. An important component of this industry is the ‘prison industrial complex,’ one of the fastest growing industries in the U.S. Also included is a rapidly growing private security industry that includes private police and security guards, along with a growing supply of technology to aid in the ‘war on crime.’ Other components include drug testing companies, gated communities, and a booming gun industry. We conclude by outlining possible explanations for the growth of this industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-86291359355268323752007-10-28T08:21:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:21:00.000-07:00People vote something down, in pops Garzini, and u...People vote something down, in pops Garzini, and unpopular stuff happens. Over 80% of Bend public today thinks that Juniper Ridge needs to be shutdown.<BR/><BR/>•Proposed a fixed-route bus system for the city of Bend.<BR/><BR/>[ People voted against it, Garzini got it implemented. ]<BR/><BR/>•Organized the West Bend Traffic Consortium to improve roadways and put in roundabouts.<BR/><BR/>[ Bend construction company's made a fortune. ]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-75866554171500806452007-10-28T08:18:00.000-07:002007-10-28T08:18:00.000-07:00More BULL, Garzini has history 'getting stuff done...More BULL, Garzini has history 'getting stuff done', been around, force's the BAT up the ass, dissappears, reappears when new un-popular project are on the horizon. <BR/>The question I ask is WHO is running this? Abernethy will be OUT soon, Anderson Said Garzini called him because he was bored, only to get Anderson fired.<BR/>The council who is now MORE INTERESTED in private-development than public city business has brought in Garzini. They thought that Kuratek was their boy, but he didn't have the 'right stuff' to win-over the heart and mind of Bend. Garzini has a history of getting shit done, mostly un-popular stuff. This council will be gone in a few years, who is actually running this whole SHAM? My guess is still Hollern, he has lots of land around what we call Juniper Ridge.<BR/>A few months ago the council said the reason for JR failure was 'PR', so they said they were going to get 'PR', and they bring in Garzini.<BR/>Who owns Garzini??<BR/><B><BR/>Meet Bend’s go-to fix-it man<BR/>Ron Garzini gets job done, but methods bother some<BR/></B><BR/>By Cindy Powers / The Bulletin<BR/>Published: October 28. 2007 5:00AM PST<BR/><BR/>Whether they like him or not, people agree that Ron Garzini gets things done.<BR/><BR/>The man that Bend city officials have tapped to handle the aggressive and controversial Juniper Ridge development project north of town admits that he can be bullish but says it’s only in the interest of progress.<BR/><BR/>“I would rather be criticized for doing something new and different and creative than just sitting here and collecting a paycheck,” he said. “You can say I’m a bully, but I’m not a bully. I’m someone who says, ‘This is how it is, and let’s get it done.’”<BR/><BR/>With more than 20 years of experience in city, state and federal government positions in Alaska before coming to Bend, where he twice has served as interim city manager since 1998, Garzini, 60, has faced his share of criticism.<BR/>Ron Garzini over the years<BR/><BR/>•Twice served as interim city manager.<BR/>•Worked to get $600,000 in block grants for a new senior center.<BR/>•Proposed hooking up south Bend customers of troubled Juniper Utility Co. to city water and sewer lines.<BR/>•Encouraged city councilors to purchase land allowing the city to build the Bill Healy Memorial Bridge and persuaded them to give the project the green light.<BR/>•Mended the relationship between the Central Oregon Irrigation District and the city of Redmond.<BR/>•Addressed traffic problems throughout the city of Bend.<BR/>•Proposed a fixed-route bus system for the city of Bend.<BR/>•Organized the West Bend Traffic Consortium to improve roadways and put in roundabouts.<BR/>•Took the helm of the Juniper Ridge project, a proposed mixed-use development of 1,500 acres in north Bend.<BR/><BR/>Now at the helm of what some consider to be the centerpiece of future development in Bend, Garzini’s proponents say his role in many key projects in the city during the past decade have prepared him for the job. He has worked to alleviate traffic problems, pushed for construction of the Bill Healy Memorial Bridge and was one of the first backers of a fixed-route bus system.<BR/><BR/>Most recently, Garzini has been involved in a public clash between the city and the developers who have been working with the city for two years to get the Juniper Ridge project under way.<BR/><BR/>The concept touted by city officials would turn what is now 1,500 acres of sagebrush into a city within a city — including housing, shopping, light industrial, a university and a performing arts center.<BR/><BR/>Garzini was brought in to shepherd the project last month, and the developers tapped to do the work, Juniper Ridge Partners, say he has brought a new set of rules to the table. Last week, the developers announced that they’ll likely be pulling out of the project.<BR/><BR/>While the turmoil with the developers may be a setback, Garzini says he tends to thrive in turbulent environments and considers himself somewhat of a fix-it man.<BR/><BR/>“As I’ve interviewed with (city) councils over the years, I’ve always said, ‘If you’re happy with the status quo, then hire someone else. But if you’re looking for a change agent, then I’m the one,’” he said.<BR/><BR/>Making it happen<BR/><BR/>Garzini’s resume seems to back up his self-assessment.<BR/><BR/>Twice in 10 years, officials in Seward, Alaska, hired him as the city manager with an eye toward turning the economy around and restoring the public’s confidence in city government.<BR/><BR/>“He was a wheeler dealer,” said former Seward Mayor and Chief of Police Louis Bencardino, who worked with Garzini. “He is a good businessman, and he understands government and he understands private enterprise. That’s important, to be able to work with private enterprise, to get things done in your town.”<BR/><BR/>Bencardino credited Garzini with bringing a prison and a shipyard to the town, revitalizing its economy.<BR/><BR/>Garzini also served as the director of transportation and municipal manager for the city of Anchorage before becoming the assistant commissioner for the state’s Department of Commerce and Economic Development.<BR/><BR/>His experience in Alaska was a big consideration for Bend Mayor Bruce Abernethy in deciding who should handle the Juniper Ridge project.<BR/><BR/>“When I first heard about it, I thought, ‘Brilliant,’” Abernethy said. “In essence, you have someone who has a lot of experience in industrial development. Plus, he is well known in the community, including those who have been the more vocal critics of Juniper Ridge.”<BR/><BR/>Former Bend Police Chief and City Councilor Dave Malkin, who worked with Garzini during his second stint as interim city manager from 2003 to 2004, counts himself among those critics.<BR/><BR/>“I believe that, in hiring Ron Garzini, it’s apparent that the Bend City Council is intent on cramming Juniper Ridge down the throats of the people of Bend,” Malkin said. “To say Ron is a pragmatist is an understatement — he is a steamroller with limited vision of the long-term ramifications of his actions.”<BR/><BR/>Malkin cited improperly handled labor negotiations and labor contracts as well as lawsuits that he said should not have been settled as among Garzini’s mistakes.<BR/><BR/>Malkin served on the council from 2002 through 2006, after serving as police chief for nearly two decades.<BR/><BR/>He said Garzini gets results but has a tendency to skirt policy and procedure.<BR/><BR/>“Based on my experience, Ron tends not to pay attention to all of those details,” Malkin said.<BR/><BR/>He declined to point to specific instances, saying he did not want to violate personnel policies or discuss matters that he could not have talked about while serving as a city councilor.<BR/><BR/>Moving to town<BR/><BR/>Garzini first came to Bend in 1997 and became a consultant to the nonprofit La Pine Industrial Group, helping to market an industrial park to businesses there.<BR/><BR/>The following year, he was hired as Bend’s assistant city manager and chief operations officer, a position he kept for two years.<BR/><BR/>Garzini pushed to get funding for a new senior center, worked on traffic issues in an already growing city and worked with the City Council to purchase land where the much-debated southern crossing bridge — now known as the Bill Healy Memorial Bridge — was to be built, extending Reed Market Road over the Deschutes River.<BR/><BR/>He backed an effort to get water and sewer lines out to the customers of Juniper Utility Company, which the city later condemned, when they complained about service.<BR/><BR/>In 2000, when the Bend City Council fired 14-year veteran City Manager Larry Patterson, Garzini took over as interim city manager.<BR/><BR/>The following year, a Salem company accused Garzini of getting in the way of a deal it had with the city to build a $7 million Alzheimer’s facility in east Bend. A parcel of land there was one of the most well-studied dioxin sites in the state, according to earlier Bulletin reports. Brownfield Development LLC, which rehabilitates contaminated properties, proposed cleaning up the parcel and building the facility.<BR/><BR/>But negotiations with the city broke down when Garzini got involved, Brownfield’s Chief Executive Officer Patrick Brady said at the time. He accused Garzini of “incompetence and poor leadership.”<BR/><BR/>Garzini countered that the company made increasingly unreasonable demands, an argument he would later make about Juniper Ridge Partners, and that their price continually went up.<BR/><BR/>As the community divided over the proposed southern crossing bridge in 2001, Garzini ushered the project through, said Abernethy, who initially was against the bridge.<BR/><BR/>“He was able to persuade me that it was in the best interest of the city,” he said. “He made a pretty convincing case that it had been on the books for a long period of time and was supported by the community.”<BR/><BR/>But before voters approved the bridge in a referendum, Garzini was criticized for withholding information about its construction.<BR/><BR/>Garzini directed city staff not to talk about the bridge and reportedly kept a report from the City Council showing that materials the city was distributing about the bridge were biased toward its construction.<BR/><BR/>After Bend City Manager David Hales was hired in the fall of 2001, Garzini worked as a consultant and interim manager of the Central Oregon Irrigation District. He was credited with repairing the district’s broken relationship with the city of Redmond after clashes over piping irrigation canals.<BR/><BR/>Back to the city<BR/><BR/>When Hales resigned in late 2003, the city brought Garzini back on board for the second time as interim city manager.<BR/><BR/>He made an unsuccessful bid to bring a fixed-route public transit system to the city and worked with the council to offer high-tech manufacturer IdaTech incentives to build a new facility in Bend.<BR/><BR/>In 2004, the operators of The Riverhouse were ready to expand, but a city hearings officer turned down its request to build a conference center along the Deschutes River. The resort’s owners sued, and Garzini responded.<BR/><BR/>“I asked the lawyers to step aside,” he said.<BR/><BR/>He met face-to-face with owners Clyde and Wayne Purcell to see what could be done.<BR/><BR/>“We just kicked back and worked it out,” Garzini said.<BR/><BR/>The Purcells signed over property rights, allowing the city to build a new bridge on Mt. Washington Drive. In exchange, the city granted waivers allowing construction of a convention center, restaurant, 102 hotel rooms, 80 condominium units, and a swimming pool and spa.<BR/><BR/>The construction is again the subject of litigation after the company owned by the Purcells recently filed suit, alleging the city improperly collected fees it agreed to waive when the convention center was built.<BR/><BR/>Garzini again stepped aside from city government in late 2004, when the city hired recently terminated City Manager Andy Anderson to take over.<BR/><BR/>Anderson was let go earlier this month. City councilors cited a “disagreement on management style.”<BR/><BR/>Garzini’s next task was dealing with turmoil in the city of West Linn, said current Mayor Norm King.<BR/><BR/>The city manager and chief of police had been fired along with the chief accountant who was suspected of embezzling from the city, King said.<BR/><BR/>“The situation was that the staff was really just totally demoralized,” King said. “Ron was very good at evaluating what was going on, what the problems were and tacking the toughest ones. It was actually a breath of fresh air for us.”<BR/><BR/>But Garzini missed being in Bend full time with his wife, Pam, with whom he travels to Italy for two months each year. So he spent some time in semi-retirement doing consulting work and teaching continuing education classes.<BR/><BR/>Then, Anderson came to him with an idea. The city needed someone to take control of the Juniper Ridge project.<BR/><BR/>Juniper Ridge<BR/><BR/>Councilors say that the relationship between the city and developers Jeff Holzman and Ray Kuratek of Juniper Ridge Partners has always been up and down.<BR/><BR/>“The analogy that I use is that we pitched eight innings, and we needed the closer,” said City Councilor Mark Capell, who took office in January.<BR/><BR/>Capell has joined fellow councilors Jim Clinton and Bill Friedman in taking specific interest in the Juniper Ridge project.<BR/><BR/>“So he came in and said ‘Let’s just talk to people and see where we are on this,’” Capell said.<BR/><BR/>Garzini said that, during those conversations, a significant hurdle came up. Traffic issues at the intersection of U.S. Highway 97 and Cooley Road would have to be addressed, he said.<BR/><BR/>At Garzini’s request, the Oregon Department of Transportation issued a letter last week notifying the city that it could not go forward with additional construction until a traffic plan and funding source for it was identified.<BR/><BR/>Garzini proposed a risk assessment of the entire project and then reported to the council that changes in the development agreement, which was expected to be finalized last week, would have to be made.<BR/><BR/>Holzman and Kuratek have said the city is making an 11th-hour move to cut them out of the deal.<BR/><BR/>Now, the relationship between the city and the developers is tenuous, and Garzini said he is standing directly in the middle.<BR/><BR/>“I’m stuck either way,” he said. “If I bring an agreement forward with these guys, it had better be good because I’m under a heck of a lot of scrutiny. And if I don’t bring this thing forward, then we have to talk about a separation and severance, then I’m also under scrutiny.”<BR/><BR/>Yet he remains optimistic that he will be able to pull the project through.<BR/><BR/>“I’m very confident that we are going to get through this, but I’m also very confident that there will be some bumps in the road along the way,” he said.<BR/><BR/>Western Communications, Inc. Copyright 2007. (c) BULLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-15050941810827342282007-10-28T07:57:00.000-07:002007-10-28T07:57:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... >> http://bend.craigslist.org...Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> >> http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/461474131.html <<<BR/><BR/> Lower baby, lower baby! You really don't understand the reality of Bend RE.<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>Almost everyday this guy is at the to of the list, been there for months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-22538758944871696852007-10-27T19:42:00.000-07:002007-10-27T19:42:00.000-07:00>> http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/461474131.html L...>> http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/461474131.html <<<BR/><BR/>Lower baby, lower baby! You really don't understand the reality of Bend RE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-71252913068734512842007-10-27T19:38:00.000-07:002007-10-27T19:38:00.000-07:00Yeah. If you get the WSJ, it was today's Weekend E...Yeah. If you get the WSJ, it was today's Weekend Edition. You can probably see it at the grocery store tomorrow if you're cheap. Story on the front page of the second section.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558612755834018291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-68313554211173603262007-10-27T19:26:00.000-07:002007-10-27T19:26:00.000-07:00WSJ has an article that talks about how Moody's do...<B>WSJ has an article that talks about how Moody's downgraded some CDOs from AAA to junk in one day.</B><BR/><BR/>What? Really? Damn...IHateToBurstYourBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01660687201024720176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-80160782330320573212007-10-27T18:57:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:57:00.000-07:00WSJ has an article that talks about how Moody's do...WSJ has an article that talks about how Moody's downgraded some CDOs from AAA to junk in one day.<BR/><BR/>Man, in one day. Do not pass go. Go directly to jail.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558612755834018291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-19522496127815808542007-10-27T18:29:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:29:00.000-07:00$319900 Amazing New Price for a Beatiful Bend Home...$319900 Amazing New Price for a Beatiful Bend Home!<BR/><BR/>* http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/461474131.html<BR/><BR/>What makes this guy so good? How does he do it? This guy plays a mean pinball.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This guy everyday is the top of the list, is he paying Homer for this position??<BR/><BR/>How does he do it? What makes him so good?<BR/><BR/>http://bend.craigslist.org/rfs/461474131.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-28058365499033327312007-10-27T18:03:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:03:00.000-07:00Yet another "statement of fact" that turned out to...Yet another "statement of fact" that turned out to be 100% bullshit.<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>Hear this now "bullshit' is a registered trademark of the Bend BULLetin.<BR/><BR/>No BullShit to be dispersed in Bend without approval of the mother of all Bend BullShit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-26057672162696224642007-10-27T17:59:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:59:00.000-07:00I want to join this club. I'm a shit eater. I'm fr...I want to join this club. I'm a shit eater. I'm from California, been here for six months. Do you guys have meetings? I would like to meet this 'bendbb' he sounds very Californian. I miss California, Bend reminds me of Eastern Oklahoma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-8448016871703319492007-10-27T11:45:00.000-07:002007-10-27T11:45:00.000-07:00Brenneke wanted to be just another developer who u...Brenneke wanted to be just another developer who used the loss leader golf club as a carrot to lure more home buyers. As soon as his new hotel was sold the club would be right back in the same place. No one bought the same ole song and dance.<BR/><BR/>Brenneke in his own words..<BR/><BR/>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5380302200998038999Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-14841896022537734552007-10-27T11:33:00.000-07:002007-10-27T11:33:00.000-07:00saying only that they were “not immediately relate...<B>saying only that they were “not immediately related” to him.</B><BR/><BR/>Yet another "statement of fact" that turned out to be 100% bullshit.IHateToBurstYourBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01660687201024720176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-24333720030013264932007-10-27T11:32:00.000-07:002007-10-27T11:32:00.000-07:00Did Brenneke make a profit or not?Paul’s brother, ...<B>Did Brenneke make a profit or not?</B><BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Paul’s brother, Tom Brenneke, also refused to identify the trusts or their members after he took control of the operations in May, saying only that they were “not immediately related” to him.<BR/><BR/>“It’s a private matter,” Tom Brenneke said in a July interview with The Bulletin, refusing again to name any trusts or trustees.<BR/><BR/>The e-mail identifies Jimmy Drakos, a Lake Oswego mortgage broker, as trustee of the Zoe and Ava Brenneke Irrevocable Trust. It identifies Dunavan as the trustee of the Dunavan Family Irrevocable Trust.<BR/><BR/>Tom Brenneke has said he has an agreement to buy the club from the trusts for $12 million. Brenneke hopes to build a 208-room hotel-condo project with a new clubhouse, along with 88 new “villas” on the club’s grounds if he can gain control, but an attorney for the owners said in court Wednesday that they are attempting to negotiate a sale to club members.</I><BR/><BR/>Given that it was sold for $8+mill - $2+mill taken back, he had to really rip his nieces down from $12mill to make a profit. Looks like he netted $6mill +/- on the sale to the members... a BIG loss.<BR/><BR/>All this for a perennial money-loser:<BR/><BR/><I>The club lost $1.3 million in 2006, according to Brenneke's memo, "and is projected to lose close to that in 2007."</I>IHateToBurstYourBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01660687201024720176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-3873890403764956232007-10-27T10:03:00.000-07:002007-10-27T10:03:00.000-07:00Did Brenneke make a profit or not?It could be said...Did Brenneke make a profit or not?<BR/><BR/>It could be said he just took Broken Top hostage for ransom. Maybe this was one of his expected outcomes.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558612755834018291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-73038114042749677632007-10-27T09:39:00.000-07:002007-10-27T09:39:00.000-07:00Brenneke and all his local cronies in the RE biz l...Brenneke and all his local cronies in the RE biz lost big time. Neither civil nor land use law was on his side. He will forever be known as the guy who tried to take over Broken Top and failed big time. He stepped right in it and it smells.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-8272847305947398052007-10-27T09:28:00.000-07:002007-10-27T09:28:00.000-07:00Are you suggesting that Brenneke didn't foresee hi...Are you suggesting that Brenneke didn't foresee his attempt to turn the tranquil Broken Top neighborhood into a destination resort wasn't going to end up in many courts before all was said and done?<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>HBM, Why do you always use this socratic method of telling people what they said, when in fact they never said such a thing.<BR/><BR/>Brenneke took a gamble, the court ruled against him, he quit while he was ahead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-38563937245584296522007-10-27T09:25:00.000-07:002007-10-27T09:25:00.000-07:00>> In the case of Brokent-Top everyone was BULLSHI...>> In the case of Brokent-Top everyone was BULLSHIT until the court told them what to do, and when to have it done by. <<<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting that Brenneke didn't foresee his attempt to turn the tranquil Broken Top neighborhood into a destination resort wasn't going to end up in many courts before all was said and done? Can anyone point to a precedent of converting a residentially zoned neighborhood into a commercially zoned destination resort?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-29821105507302025002007-10-27T08:47:00.000-07:002007-10-27T08:47:00.000-07:00[ It would be trivial for someone with the informe...[ It would be trivial for someone with the informe.com log's to match time-stamps of posts, there really isn't that many people here. ]<BR/><BR/>Another fun thing to do would be to take the script, out of bendbb's site, and put into everyones blogs, I mean everyones, that way everytime anybody visited any of the blogsites, the bendbb site would log! That would make the bendbb logging completely worthless, what they do is send an encoded string to a server, with the IP and time-stamp, and other stuff, the 'encoded-string' is a message that say's its from 'bendbb' on informe.com, its a completely different site, its own by the NewJersey guy that owns Informe.com. They would have no idea that the logs were coming from a different website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-24837539641768609862007-10-27T08:27:00.000-07:002007-10-27T08:27:00.000-07:00On Blogger you can for sure install Google Tools a...On Blogger you can for sure install Google Tools and see the IPs and domains of visitors, but I don't know how/if you could actually tie a specific comment to a specific IP.<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>You can use google-tools, or you can insert a script into blogger that log's IP's, you have a time-stamp, all these post have a time-stamp of who did what and when. informe.com ( bendbb ) uses a script to log all IP's whether you read, write, ... whatever no matter what you do at bendbb's site your being continually logged for everything you do.<BR/><BR/>This is ALL trivial shit, if your a computer scientist, or a kid with lots of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-80190907612845018212007-10-27T08:23:00.000-07:002007-10-27T08:23:00.000-07:00I am a little freaked out that BendBB seems to now...I am a little freaked out that BendBB seems to now be using IP's to make policy decisions...<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>That's the entire basis of the informe.com client. It was designed so little Napoleons could do this shit.<BR/><BR/>Don't you get what's going on??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-10026178771511116532007-10-27T08:11:00.000-07:002007-10-27T08:11:00.000-07:00On Blogger you can for sure install Google Tools a...<B>On Blogger you can for sure install Google Tools and see the IPs and domains of visitors, but I don't know how/if you could actually tie a specific comment to a specific IP.<BR/><BR/>It's better to use an anonymous proxy if you're going to be doing some big-time blog posting, as a matter of practice.</B><BR/><BR/>I agree. By all means, do everything possible to spoof 'the system'. As much as I do not want my IP known, I do not want to know anyone else's.<BR/><BR/>BenBB's reaction to that supposed 'renaissance-homes' post kind of freaked me out... AGAIN. Last time me & BendBB butted heads, he started digging up all sorts of data. The whole idea of knowing, and then banning, IP's on a blog-like forum is just foreign to me.<BR/><BR/>And also the idea that the rumor was OK.... until 'someone' with the tech savvy to fake a good response posts some sort of Non-Denial... then everyone starts backpedaling like crazy. And all based on the "Legitimacy" of some bullshit email headers & IP's.<BR/><BR/>It probably WAS RH... but now we know that certain posts can & will be altered/removed based on easily fakeable IP, email header bullshit. Tech-savvy bullshit artists have the keys over there...<BR/><BR/>BendBB ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE WORLD:<BR/><BR/>"Rumors are OK... UNLESS a plausible denial comes with requisite IP and/or email headers. Then we erase."<BR/><BR/>And that's fine, it's his gig over there. But I would not have a policy like that, mainly I guess cuz I'm too lazy. Plus I have ZERO inclination to know, or somehow zero in on someone, via their IP or some other bullshit.<BR/><BR/>I am a little freaked out that BendBB seems to now be using IP's to make policy decisions...IHateToBurstYourBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01660687201024720176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-73874464424936823662007-10-27T07:53:00.000-07:002007-10-27T07:53:00.000-07:00This is all a lot of work, and history has proven ...This is all a lot of work, and history has proven that 99% of the cunts here are lazy.<BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>Whoops lazy-renters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3449433527135568372.post-33569870418334951702007-10-27T07:50:00.000-07:002007-10-27T07:50:00.000-07:00Bend Economy Man said... I think blogger is own...Bend Economy Man said...<BR/><BR/> I think blogger is owned by google. I don't think Paul can see the IPs, but google probably has them archived per message. <BR/><BR/>*<BR/><BR/>Just like informe.com does, all paul would have to do, but we will not let him do it, is insert similar script into his 'blog html template', that sent the IP of every visitor to a site that logged IP's. It's quite simple. Anyone can place custom HTML ( or script ) of any kind in their blogger ( google ) blogsite, to make it do anything they wish. Anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com